Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chao (Sonic the Hedgehog)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was No consensus. Oh lordy! what a wide range of opinions, (some involving chainsaws!) but howsoever I look at this, there does not seem to be anything remotely close to a consensus. (non-admin close) RMHED (talk) 22:07, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Chao (Sonic the Hedgehog)

Look, I know the chao are adorable creatures and one of the current staples of the Sonic series, Cream has a chao (Cheese), even Chaos is a mutated Chao, but let's face it, this article is filled with almost nothing but in-universe information and has no chance to assert notability. It has no reason to be here. ZeroGiga (talk) 20:54, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been added to the list of video game related deletions. MrKIA11 (talk) 21:19, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - No assertion of notability through reliable sources. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 22:59, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Same rationale as with Echidnas. MuZemike (talk) 23:33, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: No reliable sources Schuym1 (talk) 00:09, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nomination. RobJ1981 (talk) 00:27, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep,but clean up. Take away the life cycle section and Chao races section. Unknown the Hedgehog 02:48, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep 477 news sources [1], nearly 300,000 web links, [2], and about 15 relevant books come up when searching for 'sonic chao'. While none of those numbers proves notability in the WP sense, they do in the "common sense". At a random guess, somewhere out there is a paper book called "history of Sonic the Hedgehog" or some such that would cover all this material.
Keep and maybe merge after cleaning up with a chainsaw. Awful article. Decently major part of the series. Not sure how much we can say in the way of referenced claims, but this will belong to same game or series merge in the worst case. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 04:46, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and remodel If they're that important, why do they need to go out the window? I'm really wanting to file an RFC today, and you might be the victim. Raymie Humbert (TrackerTV) (receiver, archives) 16:40, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"(I) might be the victim." Is that a threat? If it is, then you better prepare yourself. I already told a mod about it (and I do take uncivilty SERIOUSLY). And another thing, it doesn't need its own article at this rate. I could easily fit just fine when it's merged, per TTN. I actually forgot to mention that. ZeroGiga (talk) 18:42, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The article certainly needs some serious consolidation, but I look at it this way: they're a long-standing peripheral element of Sonic games which have apparently been included in the new Bioware RPG. I popped over to the Escapist and searched Chao, it spat out this. That's not even about one of the Sonic games, but the writer felt compelled to have a two-paragraph ramble about Chao before reviewing Viva Pinata. This Sonic Adventure 2 interview contains some interesting nuggets about the artificial life software. There's probably more, but I'm not spending the next hour yucking snatches of quotable text out of google. They've been spread over numerous games (not just the Sonic Adventures), there'll doubtless be snippets of reception from each game they're in, it'll do fine as a tight standalone article. Someone another 17:17, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oh well, here's a Eurogamer Sonic Advance preview. We've got the character themselves, their functions, connectivity with the Dreamcast VMU and between gameboys etc. etc. It can be more than an in-universe gameguide. Someone another 17:35, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Merge This can easily be cut down and inserted into the series article. It has no reason to function as its own topic. TTN (talk) 18:21, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with you 100%, friend. ZeroGiga (talk) 18:42, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Wikipedia:Five pillars. Besides there's no where you could put this article if you merged it. Unless you made a new one like List of species in Sonic the Hedgehog or something like that.Fairfieldfencer FFF 19:04, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Or we could merge it with the main series article like we did with the Chaos Emeralds and rings. Ever think of that? ZeroGiga (talk) 19:14, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep As per someone another. There's some decent sourcing for this character, which is the exception rather than the rule. Meets the WP:GNG. Although it's unclear if there's enough coverage out there to make for a complete, not in-universe article. Might advocate for a merge somewhere down the line. But evidence suggests this article should not be deleted. Randomran (talk) 15:17, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... and clean-up with a chainsaw - Just taking another look at this article, and it's in bad shape. The topic itself is barely notable, but a lot of the information in here violates WP:NOT#PLOT and WP:V's preference towards secondary sources. After cleaning it up, it might be a candidate for a merge... Randomran (talk) 16:36, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, perhaps Merge into new article per Fairfieldfencer's suggestion. This is a bit more valid than the meaningless "Echidnas", but it still has little real world relevance. JuJube (talk) 02:22, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep, but needs a massive, massive gutting and clear out, with as many references as we can lay our hands on. ^Synergy/_{Blades (Talk)} 23:58, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
keep, but needs a massive update and added info about Chao Karate, Chao Kindergarden (Fortune Teller, Health Checkup, and list of lessons) , The Black Market(A list of items and prices) , All Gardens and how to get them, and info about Chao Adventure and the Tiny Chao Garden, and info on Tree Seeds and Chao eating habits, and the different kinds of animals and skills. I would do the edit myself only I would prefer to have permission. I have researched this stuff and had many experiences with it. Most of my knowledge, however, does not come from resources, it comes from my own experiences with the game and Chao. WooWooTrain (talk) 22:43, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Basically? No. This article doesn't need to be written as a game guide written from your personal experience. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 05:50, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep for now – Unlike, Echidnas this actually has a chance. If there are editors willing fix this mess, the amount information outside of the game itself may suffice in Chao being a decent article. If not then merge into respective articles. « ₣M₣ » 15:38, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.