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Fourth place

Hi all, I was thinking that it might be good to standardise the colour used in tables for fourth place. Currently, both a pale yellow and a blue are used across different pages but I’ve recently seen something of a push towards the blue. Does anybody have any suggestions as to what to do here? Vesuvio14 (talk) 13:48, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It's wise to not overuse colours, and the tables will use tournament qualification colour coding and not placement finishing generally. Govvy (talk) 13:51, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Fourth place should only be coloured in tournaments with a 3rd/4th place playoff. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 14:04, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Any suggestion on which colour to use though? Vesuvio14 (talk) 16:28, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

How about none? Giant Snowman 13:19, 25 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with none, as this is compliant with MOS:COLOUR. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:56, 25 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I would rather see none used for fourth (as 4th isn't a medal like Gold, Silver and Bronze) but did think current consensus was for fourth place, as per this template. I have actually raised this issue before as I keep coming across it and find people edit warring on the use of the colour and the table designs. It would be good to get a confirmed consensus and add it here. — NZFC^(talk)^(cont) 23:29, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with having no colour for a fourth place finish. Teams/players do not get a medal for that. Kante4 (talk) 12:56, 6 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

None for above. Dr Salvus 12:59, 6 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

See my comment on /Archive 153#Are 4th place honors? before deciding on some general guideline without room for exceptions. – Elisson • T • C • 14:19, 6 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I’d have to agree about removing any colour and removing it from honours; as you have said, fourth place isn’t usually given an award. However, as per Elisson’s comment, if there is a particular award then I see no problem with keeping it in those cases. Vesuvio14 (talk) 20:38, 6 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The colour, if specified, should be transparent. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 22:57, 6 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm happy with general rule being to not have a 4th colour but can be used in situations like Elisson point out. I don't think the 4th place should be used in most tables though.— NZFC^(talk)^(cont) 04:39, 7 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm going to suggest that this is sufficient consensus for the removal of colour for 4th place unless being used in such a competition where a team/players receive a fourth place award. Unless there are any objections, I will addd this to WP:WPFCONSENSUS soon. Vesuvio14 (talk) 15:15, 12 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No objections from me of course and I'm happy with that wording, maybe could use the example above too as to show when it is used.— NZFC^(talk)^(cont) 05:08, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

What are the sections of a stadium called?

In a football stadium, what are the four sides called? The two "short" seating spaces are called "curva" in Italian, while the two "long" sides "tribuna". Is there a distinction between the stands for the press and the one on the opposite side? Image for reference. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 00:40, 11 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There aren't distinct words in English for the facilities on any particular side of the pitch, they are all just called stands. Going back to when grounds tended to only have seats on one or at most two sides and then terracing (often without even a roof) on the others, the side(s) with seats were the grandstands, gradually abbreviated over time to stands, and the others were just "the terraces". Nowadays, with terracing gone, all sides are just "stands" -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:19, 11 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There are a few Ends left too, and these will be behind one of the goals! Spike 'em (talk) 08:53, 11 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

As Spike 'em says, there are several English grounds with Ends - though sponsorship of stands may mean they are known by other names (the Gresty Road End at Crewe, for example, is the Rhino Safety Stand, but most fans still refer to it by its old name, or as the GRE) - also Sides (I stood on the Pop Side at Crewe before it became all-seater) and some grounds also have Banks (Swindon's County Ground has the Stratton Bank, for example). I guess this harks back to people standing on embankments (as a kid I sometimes stood on what was locally known as the "Ash Bank" at the Railway End of Gresty Road - now the 'Family Stand' - back in the days when fans could move between standing areas of the ground). Oh, and the old Gresty Road Main Stand used to have a standing area (in front of the raised seating) which was known as "The Paddock". Paul W (talk) 11:00, 11 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I guess that would be the home side's "curva", right? I'm surprised there aren't specific terms in English, other than all four sides being referred to as "stands". Nehme₁₄₉₉ 10:37, 11 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

What would happen if you used the Italian names with Template:Lang-ita? And then you explain what a curva and a tribuna are? Dr Salvus 11:04, 11 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Having to explain what curva and tribuna (and sometimes gradinata/distinti) mean in the body of the article seems a bit pedantic. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 11:18, 11 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The term stand is used where (tiered) seating is provided for the spectators; the areas where spectators are expected to stand up are known as terraces if they are tiered (in the form of broad shallow steps), paddocks if flat. Stands are usually covered, terraces might be covered but need not be, paddocks are always open. Where a ground has two or more stands, the term grandstand is used for one with the most expensive prices - usually centred on one side of the pitch and having the best view. A ground with only one stand may still call it the grandstand though. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 23:15, 11 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I've been to quite a few stadiums which have North, East, South, West stands probably due to stadium alignment and how it was built! Govvy (talk) 13:42, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with all of the above, but I think the original question related to what the generic terms were in English for "a stand along the long side" and "a stand along the short side" and I just don't think we have them. While many stadia have a stand behind a goal called "the [something] End", I don't think anyone would say that the generic term in English for any stand behind a goal is "an end". But maybe I am wrong...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 13:53, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks to everyone for their answers. I asked this query in order to better describe the stadium section at A.C. Monza. I just opted to call them "stand" (lowercase s) when talking generically, and "West (or whatever) Stand" (capital S) when talking about a specific stand. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 14:04, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If they're not proper names, you shouldn't capitalise "west stand" etc. – Elisson • T • C • 16:40, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It is, see this for example. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 16:47, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Though it does seem to be inconsistent. Here they use lowercase, while here they use uppercase. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 16:50, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

But "west stand" or "east stand" is just our descriptive translation rather than a proper name as such? I would prefer Monza re-opened the east stand (Tribuna Est) [...] over translating the stands and artificially treating the translations as proper names when they (very likely) aren't. – Elisson • T • C • 17:01, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

When can a player be considered of a new team?

Should it be when the contract is deposited or when the buying club officialises the deal? Dr Salvus 17:33, 11 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

When reliable sources report the transfer as having been completed. Spike 'em (talk) 23:06, 11 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No, when the transfer window opens. The number of times the BBC reports in May that a player has signed for a new club - no, they have signed a contract, the transfer goes through 1 July! Giant Snowman 08:56, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

so we just ignore WP:V when we think we know best? Spike 'em (talk) 09:14, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No, we ignore errors in reliable sources. WP:COMMONSENSE. Giant Snowman 09:16, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

John Williamson (footballer, born 1887)

The interest of those with particular interests in WWI history and the North East of England is drawn to the talk page of this article. The player - full name John Robert Williamson - who appeared inter alia for Aston Villa and Sunderland and was native of County Durham (Gateshead) - disappears from history at the end of the 1914-15 season but I believe I may have discovered a candidate for his identity - an identically named soldier who died of wounds in England in November 1915 and is buried at Silkworth churchyard, now in the suburbs of Sunderland. I have suggested lines of enquiry for those seeking confirmation in published sources as to whether or not they are the same man.Cloptonson (talk) 12:53, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

They're not. The chap who died of wounds at Brighton War Hospital in November 1915 and was buried at Silksworth was aged 19. See FreeBMD deaths entry, Newcastle Courant 13.11.1915 one-line mention of death, North Star (Darlington) brief report of funeral. The English National Football Archive gives birthdate of 28 January 1887 (so age 28 in November 1915) and death year of 1943 for the footballer. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 15:25, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah I have just looked on Ancestry and everything points to the fellow from Gateshead (dob as Struway) living until 1943. Those don't mention football (coal miner in 1911 census) but everything adds up to be the same guy, and not a WWI casualty. I'll see if there is anything to tie in with the unfortunate soldier living elsewhere to double-confirm. Crowsus (talk) 15:50, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Wasn't a great paper trail but there's a 1901 census matching the full name, age and residence district in the BNA clip, so conformation its a different guy from the Gateshead footballer. Crowsus (talk) 16:31, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

is the player even notable if yoy struggle to even verify his existence this badlyMuur (talk) 18:50, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Probably not given the lack of info at present. This may go to Afd if others agree. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 19:02, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Struway2 Thank you for clearing that up. CWGC does not record his age. That definitely rules the soldier out as being the player.Cloptonson (talk) 20:46, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Results table - abandoned matches

Hi - how should I indicate an abandoned match in a page that uses Module:Sports results? The match is Chippenham Town v. Chelmsford City and the page is 2022–23 National League#Results table 3 - should I use |match_CHI_CHE=A-A - or should it be left blank? --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 19:16, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I assume the match will be rescheduled and played at a later date, if so it should be left blank just like all other matches played later. – Elisson • T • C • 20:16, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 08:02, 14 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Deletions and Wikidata

With the notability changes, there are / will be a lot of footballer bios going to AfD. Should there be an effort to copy the information to Wikidata, or do we consider WD just another external site that is somebody else's problem? Example: AfD Aug 12 Yusuf Osman Abdulahi, WD diff. (Disclaimer: I'm not into footy and don't have the time or inclination to do all this by myself.) ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 22:51, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Not our problem, those sites are pseudo independent. Pages that are kept here may be deleted there and vice versa.--Ortizesp (talk) 23:44, 14 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sub-sub-dividing by seasons?

What are people's thoughts about diving specific club sub sections up into individual seasons, like at Gavin Massey? Personally I think it's excessive and it puts pressure on articles to be made excessively detailed as time goes by. For example, Massey played a total of nine games for Watford, but the Watford subsection has 7 subsections of its own. I felt it necessary to break the Wigan Athletic subsection into individual seasons so the article remains consistent, but his time there was fairly mundane considering he played 166 games. It doesn't seem right having the Wigan subsection as one whole whilst Watford and Colchester are broken down into individual seasons and loan spells. What is the best approach? Echetus Xe 14:25, 14 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

With such little prose in those sections, they can be put together in one. Kante4 (talk) 14:59, 14 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I certainly don't think that we need one sentence sections for seasons 2019-20 and 2020-21 -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 11:14, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, not everything needs to be a sub-section. Giant Snowman 19:15, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

New article Late bloomering in association football or List of association football players considered as late bloomer

I was wondering about creating article in terms of late bloomering in football. We would describe there football players who started proffesional career lately like Enric Gallego, Junior Messias, Elmo Kambindu or world class players who made explosion after 30 like Roger Milla and Luca Toni, and other interesing cases like of course Jamie Vardy? What do you think? There is an article but not speciffially focussed on football: Late bloomer. 17:35, 15 August 2022 (UTC) Dawid2009 (talk) 17:35, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

My opinion doesn’t hold much weight, but it just sounds like an indiscriminate collection of information to me. See what other people think.Crystalpalace6810 (talk) 19:02, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

We could expand the “football” section of the article or do it more factually, like “list of footballers who signed a professional contract after 25 and still won a trophy”. It’s just that “late bloomer” is very subjective. Crystalpalace6810 (talk) 19:08, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

All opinions are of equal merit - and I agree, this sounds non-notable. Giant Snowman 19:15, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I also don't see the notability in this. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 19:43, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I would suggest that we don't need a separate article on this unless there is evidence that late blooming is more notable in football than in other fields. Otherwise it could be covered by an expanded (and hopefully better-written) section in the existing article -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 11:50, 16 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Just as an aside, the former of the two suggested titles is not grammatically correct English. It would be "Late blooming in association football" not "Late bloomering in association football". "Bloomering" isn't a word -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:23, 16 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The second one isn't grammatically correct either. It should be "considered as late bloomers" or "considered as a late bloomer". Either way, don't see evidence we need a stand-alone list for this, not least because it wouldn't have a clear inclusion/exclusion criteria (as "late bloomer" is subjective). Joseph2302 (talk) 12:46, 16 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

China

See this (and pinging S.A. Julio). Since {{fb|IRN}} and {{fb|KOR}} respectively display Iran (not IR Iran) and South Korea (not Korea Republic), I don't see why China is the only nation to display its FIFA name ( China) rather than the common name (China). The article is also located at China national football team, rather than at China PR national football team. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 19:45, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed - but it might be political due to the Republic of China? Fifa used China PR. Giant Snowman 20:19, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Fifa also uses "Korea Republic", but we use "South Korea" despite the existence of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. Anyway, I think the name generated by the {{fb}} template should match the country name (and as a consequence the national team's name) used on Wikipedia. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 21:07, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The Korean and Iranian examples are quite different. Iran doesn't have another country with the same name so it really doesn't matter if you've got IR in there or not. Both Korea Republic and DPR Korea call themselves Korea but the most commonly used way of telling them apart is the South/North way, not the way FIFA does it. There is more than one China so it makes sense to have a way of telling them apart in the name (although China PR is definitely the primary topic). The fact that the Republic of China has already been forced to comprise and compete for most sports as Chinese Taipei might negate that but I feel having the PR in there makes it doubly certain for the average user. I agree however that the article name and link text should be consistent. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 21:52, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not disputing the reasoning behind using "China PR" over "China", but it should be consistent throughout. Either we move China and China national football team to China PR and China PR national football team, or we change {{fb}} to display "China". I would much prefer the latter, given that "China" is by far the primary topic, and the island is referred to as "Taiwan" (or Chinese Taipei sports-wise). Nehme₁₄₉₉ 22:22, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I agree we should display "China". It is by far the common name (with Republic of China being known as Taiwan or Chinese Taipei). --SuperJew (talk) 06:57, 17 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Also pinging Pppery, who had initially removed "China PR" as an alias. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 00:04, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

My initial edit was per an edit request at Template talk:Country data China#Edit request (made by you). I have no position in this content dispute. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 00:11, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Alex Scott (footballer, born 1984) listed at Requested moves

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Antigua and Barbuda national football team

Hi,

I moved the kits from a gallery on the main page to Wiki:Commons, as per Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/National teams but my edits are continually reverted by @Chuckdisi who is not engaging in conversation (either through edit notes or the Talk page) to resolve the issue. Could somebody else provide some input as I've strayed beyond 3RR. Many thanks Felixsv7 (talk) 08:09, 16 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with not having them all listed, as WP:NOTGALLERY applies here. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:47, 16 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. Per WP:NOTGALLERY, if you are interested in presenting a picture, please provide an encyclopedic context, or consider adding it to Wikimedia Commons. For example, A.C. Monza provides sourced prose describing each of the kits shown. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 12:56, 16 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Good to know, though can someone add the Commons link / clean up the section - as I am already beyond 3RR. Felixsv7 (talk) 13:10, 16 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I've added the Commons link. Btw, the article is ridiculously undersourced. 90% of the prose should be outright removed. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 13:13, 16 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, it needs to be condensed and have the tables removed from the History section. Felixsv7 (talk) 13:36, 16 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Chuckdisi has definitely violated 3RR. I think a temporary block is needed here. They are not engaging in any way (edit summaries, talk pages). Nehme₁₄₉₉ 22:59, 16 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I saw they did it again so reverted and they just reverted me right back. Considering the User has 99.7% of their edits being this articled and only one time evidence of reaching out on a talk page (and it was to get help doing the edit that he is now warring about). I've reported them to WP:AN/3.— NZFC^(talk)^(cont) 23:58, 16 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

was just about to come here to ask if somebody can report - I'm about to go away for a few days, and would block myself but I am probably INVOLVED. Giant Snowman 05:29, 17 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I've been bold and have mass removed unsourced content and unnecessary tables. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 12:43, 17 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Well I now see they finally used their talk page but said some not so nice things and have got themselves indefinite blocked and lost talk page privileges. So unless they sock, there shouldn't be any more trouble on that article now. Also Nehme1499 great work on the clean up, looks so much better now.— NZFC^(talk)^(cont) 23:55, 17 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Season to season

What kinds of clubs would season-to-season sections be good for? I have taken a little look at some lower table la liga clubs and it seems to be pretty standard. Should we add more, delete the existing ones or decide individually on each article by consensus? Crystalpalace6810 (talk) 15:12, 16 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I can't think what you mean by "season-to-season sections" - could you link to an example? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:20, 16 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

For example, here. Some of them are called season to season or something like that and some of them are just called “seasons”. (Sorry I can’t reply to your message directly, my phone isn’t letting me). Crystalpalace6810 (talk) 15:41, 16 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Well, for England, pretty much every professional club (and some others besides) already has this as a separate list article rather than crushed into the main article. There doesn't seem to have been the same level of interest in doing that for Spain, not really sure why....... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:45, 16 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ok. So make them for spain or what? (Again, why did I think doing this on my phone was a good idea?) Crystalpalace6810 (talk) 15:53, 16 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Looking deeper into it, it appears that nearly all Spanish clubs actually do have those pages (bottom of this page and have simply not bothered to take them off of the articles. Do we remove them?Crystalpalace6810 (talk) 16:03, 16 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There's only about 30 'List of seasons' articles there including some women's clubs. It is more helpful to frequent readers of Spanish football (or at least one reader - me) to expect to find these on the articles of the smaller clubs as standard as a summary of their history, they have been there for at least a decade, and are discussed among contributing editors at the task force. Having them is far more useful than not. I agree if there's a list of seasons article it's not needed, but as I said there are not too many of those, the example you gave was Elche which does not have one so should keep their table. Crowsus (talk) 18:31, 16 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Crowsus So if the information is just there in the season page, couldn’t you literally just copy and paste that section onto its own article? Crystalpalace6810 (talk) 20:04, 16 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

John Westwood (footballer) - players conflated?

I have reason to believe that two footballers may be conflated in this article. The Bristol Rovers footballer who was killed in 1917 is identified with William Howell Powell Westwood, born in Langley Green, Worcestershire particularly by the PFA in its Football and the First World War website. The identification is also supported in the Doncaster 1914-18 site. The player named by the article (John William Westwood) and the player killed in WWI had not only different stated given names but also different birthplaces. See talk page of article for my more detailed comments.Cloptonson (talk) 17:30, 16 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Citations wanted - potential entries for List of footballers killed during World War II

Reposted and updated version of original now archived.

As main contributor to this article, I flag up for attention of others on the project a number of candidates for the list that are already wiki-articled and known or believed to have been killed in or died as a result of circumstances brought on by the war (eg execution, in enemy captivity, effects of wounds etc) but which so far lack a reliable citation regarding their death which is preconditional to inclusion in the list. A few have no death circumstances described in the text of their article but I note have been put on category lists that suggest someone knew/believed they died in wartime circumstances. I also include those whose death circumstances are disputed - see their talk pages for further detail - and are in need of a conclusive ruling in or out.

Josef Adelbrecht (Austria) - categorised as Austrian military personnel killed in the war. His German wikipedia article states he was killed on the Russian front NW of Moscow. Disputable death date.
Dragutin Babic (Yugoslavia) - there is a source in Croat language but it is unclear to me it indicates manner of death
Josef Bergmaier (Germany)
Jozsef Eisenhoffer aka Joszef Aczal (Hungary) - also disputed death circumstances
Bronislaw Fichtel (Poland) - disputed death date (see talk page)
Hermann Flick (Germany)
Josef Fruhwirth (Austria) - categorised as Austrian military personnel killed in WWII. His article in Germany wikipedia has citation to an Austrian newspaper report of his death which I find unreadable, I can only make out he died on the 'Ostfront' (Eastern Front).
Nikolai Gromov (Russia) - Russian language profile says he 'died at the front' in 1943 without further detail. More informative sources if found preferred.
Karl-Richard Idlane (Estonia) - Death cause and death dates (both in 1942) disputable.
Karl Kanhauser (Austria/Czechoslovakia) - German wikipedia states without citation he was drafted into the German army towards end of WWII and deployed to Yugoslavia where he was reported missing, no final year given.
Franz Krumm (Germany) - There is a link to the German Volksbund website but it does not directly connect to his details and I lack expertise to interrogate the site.
Willi Lindner (Germany) - source in German language, not fully clear about death details
Johann Luef (Austria) - his German wikipedia article indicates he died of wounds in hospital in East Prussia.
Josef Madlmayer (Austria)
Artur Marczewski(Poland) - his Polish and German wikipedia articles state without citation he disappeared in January 1945 following Red Army advance into Poland, where he had been working for the Germans as a factory official.
Vladimir Markov (footballer) (Russia) - Stated in Olympedia to have died in Leningrad in 1942, which coincided with the long running siege of the city. Can evidence be found for treating him as a victim of the siege?
Alexander Martinek(Austria/Germany)
Otto Martwig (Germany)
Philip Meldon (Ireland) - disputed death details, not known to CWGC.
August Mobs (Germany) - said to have been killed in air raid.
Alberto Nahmias (Greece) - death circumstances disputed; his English article gives two different years of death in 1980s without source. His Greek wikipedia biography states he was arrested by the Germans in 1942 because of Jewish origins and further trace was lost, possibly because of being put to death, although also said to have emigrated post-war. Can someone find sources that settle this? The nearest named individual recorded from Greek Jews listed in the Testimony Pages of Yad Vashem is an Alberto Nachmias (sic), born in Greece, died at Auschwitz, age given as 42 but no birth or death date given. However out of the estimated 6M Jews killed in the Holocaust only 4.5M are known to Yad Vashem.
Slavko Pavletic (Croatia) - no death circumstance details given in text but has been categorised as a Croatian civilian killed in the war. In Croatian wikipedia, he is stated with citation to have been executed following Communist seizure of power in Croatia with 'date of execution' stated unknown, though the infobox gives a precise date of 27 May 1945 and death place as Zagreb.
Jean Petit (footballer, born 1914) (Belgium) - His French wikipedia article indicates without citation or death location given that he was a doctor - probably civilian rather than military - who was killed in a bombardment preceding the Allied invasion of Normandy.

Petit was killed in a bombardment after visiting a patient, who was a victim of an earlier bombardment. The date is wrong, it's 25 May 1944, place of death Liège or one of its suburbs (Angleur? He was born there as well). Source La Légia 30 May 1944 pages 2 and 3) Cattivi (talk) 07:26, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Cattivi Thank you. I am not French fluent, please could you give me a translation of report on page 3 of the excerpt, in case there is information that could be added to the article.

Cloptonson (talk) 10:17, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I’m not very French fluent either. But I don’t think there is much to be added. He was a very good defender, capped several times for Belgium, retired when he was still young and became a doctor. Petit was killed last Thursday. He still had many friends in sporting circles who will miss him. His brother Roger is mentioned. He was also a footballer with Standard but that’s not in this source. Cattivi (talk) 10:57, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

page 2 In Dutch, no date of death but it has Angleur as place of birth and died after visiting a patient. He became a memmber of Standard on 8 January 1925. Cattivi (talk) 11:25, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you anyway. I have added him to the list and amended/augmented his article using your source.Cloptonson (talk) 12:56, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Kurts Plade (Latvia) - Repatriated to Germany as a Baltic German, his Latvian wikipedia article states he was 'killed' (no further detail) in February 1945 in Poznan, Poland. I note his death coincided with the Soviet siege of Poznan.
Bernardo Poli (Italy) - Italian wikipedia indicates he died in 'an unspecified war accident' serving as an airman. Only citation in English wikipedia does not indicate manner of his death.
Fyodor Rimsha (Russia) - Stated without citation in English and Russian wikipedias to have died in siege of Leningrad, allegation not supported by cited sources Olympedia and Russian language Profile, the latter of which states his fate after 1914 "is unknown".
Holger Salin (Finland) - No decisive death date in most wikipedias. Although Finnuser reported a newspaper report states only he was killed in an accident, his German wikipedia article states that after his last international match (1943) he "fell..in the Continuation War" [term given to Finland's hostilities with the Soviet Union over 1941-45 in concert with Germany] in '1943 or 1944'. I do wonder if he was serving in the Finnish Armed Forces though. (Accidents as well as combat killed a number of players on the list.)
Aristotel Samsuri (Albania) - Reportedly executed in German concentration camp in Greece as a Communist partisan between 1942/1944, but was claimed by the postwar Communist regime of Albania to have escaped and survived before proclaiming him a martyr in 1981.
Gennaro Santillo (Italy) - Categorised as Italian military personnel killed in the war but no indications of military service on Italian wikipedia. Would like to be more certain of his status (mil or civ) before adding him.
Harry Spencer (footballer) (New Zealand, previously played in England) - There are similarities with a New Zealand soldier known to the CWGC (see talk page of article). Can someone find confirmation they are the same man?
Erwin Stührk (Germany) - disputable death date, death place given in German war grave site not easy to ascertain as it only gives German form of name rather than its vernacular.
Ludwik Szabakiewicz (Poland) - disputable death details, particularly date
Willi Völker (Germany) - uncertainty about death location.
Heinz Warnken (Germany) - German wikipedia gives him as gefallen (fallen) in 1943 but no detail of precise death date or death place.
Willi Wigold (Germany) - date of death disputed

There may be additions coming onto the list so I encourage watch this space! Others are welcome to add. Please let us know if sources are found and added into their articles.Cloptonson (talk) 07:35, 17 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Cloptonson I'm having a look at Harry Spencer since he is a New Zealander. Did find he played in one/two teams that won the NZ Knockout cup competition Chatham Cup so far, will look more if can match it up with the NZ soldier or not.— NZFC^(talk)^(cont) 21:13, 17 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Booklist

I just happened to stumble across the WikiProject Football Booklist, which I hadn't known existed before. Seems to be useful. If someone has other football-related books to add to the list it would be nice :) Nehme₁₄₉₉ 14:57, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Capitalization of Men's Soccer Tournament etc.?

See discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject College Basketball#Over-capitalization. If things like NCAA Division I Men's Soccer Tournament are not the full proper names of the tournaments, I propose to move them to NCAA Division I Men's soccer tournament. Or if they are proper names, let's find some sources to support that interpretation. Women's, too. Championship, too? Dicklyon (talk) 17:58, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. If they are nouns and not proper names they should not be capitalised. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 18:01, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It would be better to say so at the discussion I linked above. Dicklyon (talk) 18:03, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Winchmore Hill F.C.

Last time at AfD it was kept under technicality, should it be deleted now? Doesn't really pass GNG, WP:SPORTCRIT. Govvy (talk) 13:36, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]