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Tough issue

I don't want to get into an edit war. See last few revisions for background.

The article was clearly saying that porcelain is relatively tough among ceramics. Which it is.

Please try to avoid personal attacks on other editors, even if we disagree. IAmNitpicking (talk) 22:45, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I'm not sure what "tough" as opposed to "strong" means in material science terms, but it fine to call it either, within a pottery context. Calling it both is probably not necessary. Johnbod (talk) 22:56, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Why is Japan listed but Korean porcelain only mentioned in passing

Please excuse my novice status on Wikipedia (never edited before), as someone researching porcelain cursorily, but it seems there is significant documentation of the Korean history of porcelain here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_pottery_and_porcelain) as well as its relation to (and seemingly foundational role in) the emergence of Japanese porcelain.

I'm not an expert on this area but it seems that there is also part of this that is related to forced labor/migration etc that isn't mentioned (based on the information on the Korean porcelain page.) Just a few thoughts about what seems to be a hole in the East Asian part of the history of this page. (unsigned)

Yes, we should have a section. It is much less well known in the Wes though, as there was never a significant export trade. Johnbod (talk) 16:16, 8 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Add "Porcelain, also called china"

Since porcelain is sometimes called china, I suggest adding "Porcelain, also called china, is a......." at the beginning of the article. Thoughts? Poopykibble (talk) 21:59, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

But it is not just porcelain that is called "china", but potentially all types of pottery, & certainly any of the more refined dinnerware types. If you can make it down to para 3 of the lead, we do say "Porcelain is also referred to as china or fine china in some English-speaking countries, as it was first seen in imports from China". I think that's enough. Johnbod (talk) 15:35, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Imported porcelain from China first came to Europe via the Silk Road in the second century BCE, long before Marco Polo

The article needs to have a more elaborate information that imported porcelain from China first came to Europe via the Silk Road in the second century BCE, long before Marco Polo. Ancient Rome, Egypt, and Greece saw imported Chinese porcelain around the second and first centuries BCE, and later, even Alexander the Great was familiar with Chinese porcelain. Indeed, Greek and Roman elites were well informed about Chinese porcelain, albeit they did not use it like it is used today for practical reasons, and they did not call it china in their languages, Greek, or Latin. Fragile objects from that era did not survive the time and turbulent history of Europe. By the early first century CE, Chinese silk was widely sought-after in Rome, Egypt, and Greece. Other lucrative commodities from the East included tea, dyes, perfumes, and porcelain[1]. Steveshelokhonov 20:18, 3 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Porcelain use in decorative art and design in objects, such as wall clocks

The article needs to illustrate the use of porcelain as a decorative material. Adding a photo of French wall clock in porcelain case with gilded bronze helps the article to show other uses of porcelain, such as decorative art and design, in addition to what is already in the article. Steveshelokhonov 20:18, 3 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  1. ^ The Silk Road. National Geographic. [1]
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