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March 2022

Hi, HansClumsy. I am confused why you deleted my request for this page to be deleted without discussing it. Please explain - Réunion (stylised) - (talk to me) 20:10, 14 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging user Ymblanter here as well. There wasn't an explanation to the removal of the deletion, so I'm confused why I shouldn't be able to re-add here - Réunion (stylised) - (talk to me) 20:13, 14 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

We are not required to provide an explanation. Please read WP:PROD. Ymblanter (talk) 20:15, 14 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I see, my apologies. Réunion (stylised) - (talk to me) 20:16, 14 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Special times require special actions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:C8:9743:E100:B4DB:6AE1:814B:ECE4 (talk) 21:28, 14 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Please don't delete this page. At the very least, don't delete it NOW. If it truly turns out to be worthy of deleting, we will soon know. Evangeline (talk) 02:29, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There doesn't seem to be any reason to delete such a well referenced article.

Agreed, the article is well-referenced and is relevant to current events. As such, I also agree that it should not be deleted. Avereo (talk) 04:02, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I also think that it should not be deleted.

This article is relevant to current events and assisted me in learning more and confirming information posted elsewhere was correct. 74.137.224.73 (talk) 04:42, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The main argument against it is it's "speedy" creation, but that is invalid when it's so well referenced with historical information Kennedy ^(talk) 03:22, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think another main point against the page's deletion was that she hadn't had a wikipage about her before her noble event, meaning that she wouldn't have fit the Wiki standards under WP:BIO1E - Réunion (stylised) - (talk to me) 04:43, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

As of today, this woman is an important historical figure. Why delete the page? Evan R. Murphy (talk) 05:27, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I totally agree with you. This is a well referenced page and the woman will be in history books for standing up against the propaganda machine from Moscow. This will be an important moment in history, and by deleting pages like this, by deleting moments like this from written history, you help Putin erase his resistance. Like there never was any resistance. So I strongly resist the deletion of this page. Deleting this page is denying the truth. Seishonagon3 (talk) 09:32, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I vote to keep this well-sourced article. Per WP:1E, she is notable because she is the primary actor in a notable event. Channel 1 is a tightly controlled propaganda machine for the Kremlin, and the newscaster is one that Putin likes to watch. These make the event notable because the protest happened live on one of the Kremlin-controlled TV stations. Websurfer2 (talk) 08:19, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete discussion is over here folks: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Marina_Ovsyannikova

Timing

I'm sure this will come out in reporting, but in terms of what time this event happened, oldest clip I see on twitter right now is from 9:45pm Moscow time (14 March 2022).[1] (Translation: "Live, Channel One. An unknown girl ran out with a poster "No war" and stood behind Ekaterina Andreeva")--Milowent • ^hasspoken 21:02, 14 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Just adding to my note, what I can glean from the Russian version of the Vremya article (the show on which this happened) is that the show normally airs at 21:00 (9pm) Moscow time. Tweets from yesterday also note that start time[2][3]). At least two tweets within 30 minutes of the event say it happened at 21:35. This tweet from 21:50 on 14 March "This one was on the Time program at 21-35?!" (Google translate).[4] This tweet from 22:00 also says it happened at 21:35.[5]

I see some people on twitter claiming this Wikipedia page was created BEFORE the broadcast.[6]. This is incorrect, Ymblanter created this page at 19:35 UTC, which is 22:35 Moscow time, or one hour after the event happened. This may seem lightning fast, but it is not uncommon for Wikipedia editors to respond that fast to major current events.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 15:21, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I have seen it retwitted in this feed about 10 times, searched for reliable sources and created a stub. Given my credentials - I am among 200 most active English Wikipedia editors and I have been elected administrator almost 10 years ago - it is ridiculous to state that I am a Kremlin agent. Moreover, if I were a Kremlin agent, it would have been very stupid for me to get caught by creating an article about a future event. Ymblanter (talk) 15:29, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Veracity

Conspiracy theories flying around on social media that this is an info-op. Some verification that it was broadcast live in Russia would be useful. Christiaan (talk) 10:12, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sleeper account (?) - user:Pahanda - removing information and reference

User:Pahanda has just made his/her second edit in two and a half years. The edit removed sourced information. 89.8.146.21 (talk) 11:06, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Notability

So, this removes any final doubts about Wikipedia being used as a political tool: pages with much bigger interest have been removed, on the basis of being not notable. But as it can be seen here, the choice is made on a political basis. So be it. --Oakwood (talk) 13:11, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There is room for debate about notability going forward, with the possibility of renominating this for deletion, but this meta discussion about the political biases of Wikipedia does no good. Not everything is a conspiracy. Best wishes, Solipsism 101 (talk) 14:27, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

British English?

I have changed the spelling of program to programme. Typically these types of articles are written in British English because Britain has proximity to Ukraine and the conflict. See 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine. Solipsism 101 (talk) 14:44, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Peace-necklace (with the colors of Ukraine and Russia)

Photograph from court appearance on March 15, show her wearing her "peace necklace". Has media spelled that out yet? 89.8.146.21 (talk) 15:31, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]