Talk:Canadians

Definition of a Canadian (within Canada and Internationally (UN))

A person who is a citizen/national of Canada. Mechanical Keyboarder (talk) 03:13, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, but you do not get to arbitrarily change the definition to one that you prefer. The current definition has been stable, so it's up to you to attempt to get consensus for anew definition. It's not a minor change, and it's most definitively not minor when you have already been undone. Meters (talk) 03:25, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

The change is question is [1]. The current lead starts off: "Canadians (French: Canadiens) are people identified with the country of Canada. This connection may be residential, legal, historical or cultural. For most Canadians, many (or all) of these connections exist and are collectively the source of their being Canadian." For years this article has started with this or some close variant of it. A citizenship-only definition is a major change, and one that I do not agree with. Meters (talk) 03:33, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

@Mechanical Keyboarder: I'm the one who reverted the change you made. Thanks for explaining your terse definition. It was initially because you gutted a long-standing lead. It it achieved a silent consensus. A few minutes of checking would have shown you that it's been there for a long time. When you find things like that in well-edited and maintained articles, it's usually a good idea to check before you make major changes to the lead. Other areas are less likely to have such an effect on the nature of the article. I was initially going to take the revert to this talk page, but then I realized the you linked citizen to citizenship, not even Canadian nationality law, and that you completely ignored Wikipedia:Short description, I felt that you were in over your head. Sorry for causing such a commotion.

I see you state it's the UN definition. Do you have a link to that definition?

Your proposed definition lines-up quite well with the Canadian Government definition of a Canadian citizen, but this article is not about citizenship. This article is about more than that. Meters, and I'm sure others will make counter-points to yours. Walter Görlitz (talk) 09:12, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

Colours and flags

Hello Moxy! I'm sorry for calling you here. I'd like you to tell why you think we should replace flags with colours. This is the only page about an ethnicity where someone has done it (as far as I know). In my opinion, we should use flags instead of colours, just as it is done on other pages on ethnic groups. − Allice Hunter ^(Inbox) 22:53, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

Oh, I see. You made this edit in violation of MOS:FLAGICON and Moxy correctly reverted it. Now you're claiming that other articles ignore FLAGICON and you'd like us to do so as well? Perhaps a better option would be to point us to those articles and raise that on the talk page of the manual of style instead. Walter Görlitz (talk) 23:12, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

100

I fixed a link from a redirect so that it redirects to the main article. It is true not all links to redirects need to be fixed; however, the canadian lists were the only series of lists that listed 100 in their titles. I fixed the links so that they would match their current titles. Sometimes it is ok to leave the links as they are. This isn't the case for these links. For example, it is ok to leave the link for the binomial name of dog in instances where the scientific name is discussed. Catchpoke (talk) 17:37, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

It is not necessary to change redirects. You've been told this by two different editors. Linking to a redirect is not a problem because it is WP:NOTBROKEN. I will revert one more time and we will both be at WP:3RR as a result. Walter Görlitz (talk) 22:55, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

To be specific, the change you are making is from this [[List of the 100 largest metropolitan areas in Canada|major urban centres]] to this [[List of census metropolitan areas and agglomerations in Canada|major urban centres]]. What the reader saw before your change was major urban centres and what they see after is was major urban centres. The target for the first is a redirect to List of census metropolitan areas and agglomerations in Canada. So, in short, your "fix" is not, it is the very reason that NOTBROKEN was established. A piped redirect is the worst thing to fix as it makes no difference to the reader. Walter Görlitz (talk) 23:03, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

But hovering over the link will reveal the "true" target for the page... Catchpoke (talk) 23:13, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

Not the point. The link is NOTBROKEN. If you get that changed, you may change this link. If not, you can explain your actions to admins. Walter Görlitz (talk) 03:50, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

What a disingenuous comment. Catchpoke (talk) 22:51, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

Not really, no. Please take your concern to NOTBROKEN. You either do not appreciate or have any deference to the guideline and feel that you have an exception—one that two other, more experienced editors do not accept. You should get that clearly accepted at the guideline and codified in such a way that I and the other edit do not trouble you going forward. Without that, you will continue to glean warnings on your talk page. This, of course, may lead to your eventual removal from the project. If you don not have the sense to understand that and would rather continue to blame others, go ahead, but you will not get your way on this article unless you get more editors to agree with your claimed exception. Walter Görlitz (talk) 23:05, 27 August 2021 (UTC)