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DYK for Charles H. Black

On January 9, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Charles H. Black, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Dravecky (talk) 11:27, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks for letting me know, Dravecky! Xn4 (talk) 18:47, 18 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Geoffrey Shaw

On January 18, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Geoffrey Shaw, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Dravecky (talk) 18:30, 18 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks again! Xn4 (talk) 18:47, 18 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Castle of Otranto

So true. Is there a template for that reply? ---Sluzzelin talk 09:43, 25 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It would be too sad to make one. Xn4 (talk) 09:45, 25 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Happy Xn4's Day!

Xn4 has been identified as an Awesome Wikipedian,
and therefore, I've officially declared today as Xn4's day!
For your great work at the RefDesk and English history articles,
enjoy being the Star of the day, Xn4!

Cheers,
bibliomaniac 1 5
00:07, 26 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Golly. Thank you very much, bibliomaniac! Xn4 (talk) 00:09, 26 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Honours

What a pleasant surprise! Thank you very much. And congratulations on having your own day, too! Bencherlite ^Talk 06:41, 26 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

My pleasure! Xn4 (talk) 22:15, 26 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Funny thing

Thanks for the link; nice page. Given that the paintings exhibited in the AC were portraits rather than landscapes, do you know – aside from his family connection – why the Club let him hang them in their premises? Were any of them of AC luminaries? Ericoides (talk) 09:18, 26 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No, I can't fathom that. The best clues may be in the names of the two sitters for portraits which are given. "The Lady Kinross", because of the word 'The', must be the wife of John Balfour, 1st Baron Kinross, whom I can't trace as an alpinist. The only Russell Bryde I can find is an American from Williamson, Illinois. It clearly wasn't a commercial exhibition, in the usual sense of the pictures being for sale. The Club seems an odd choice for an exhibition of portraits, except that I suppose Douglas may have been after more work and saw the members as a hopeful target group. He was, after all, a sportsman himself. Xn4 (talk) 22:14, 26 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I see that Peter Tillemans has an entry in the ODNB.[1] Would greatly appreciate if you could add anything of interest (there's an East Angliangle here!). Regards, Ericoides (talk) 09:51, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks for the anon. ODNB additions! Ericoides (talk) 19:54, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I wondered whether you'd resist the charms of a red-linked London club and concluded that you wouldn't... Thanks for the additional info and the link. Just a quick query; it struck me as odd that he died on 17 Nov. (the date given at the Tate website) and was buried on 7 Dec. Noakes gives his d.o.d. as 5 Dec., which seems much more reasonable and is the one I've used. What does ODNB say on this? Thanks. Ericoides (talk) 08:55, 7 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The ODNB agrees. It says "In 1733 Tillemans retired to Richmond, Surrey, and died on 5 December 1734 while staying at Little Haugh Hall. He was buried on 7 December at Stowlangtoft church, Suffolk." Xn4 (talk) 12:15, 7 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent, thanks. Ericoides (talk) 12:16, 7 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No trouble. Xn4 (talk) 12:17, 7 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, thanks for your help on this one. Ericoides (talk) 18:18, 16 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

For the barnstar, was a nice surprize when I logged in this morning. Mjroots (talk) 17:42, 26 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Richly deserved! Xn4 (talk) 21:59, 26 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

16 article hook DYK

Your input would be appreciated at Wikipedia talk:Did you know. Thanks. --Doug Coldwell ^talk 18:54, 26 January 2009 (UTC)‎[reply]

No trouble, I've left some thoughts there. Xn4 (talk) 02:29, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I appreciate it. --Doug Coldwell ^talk 12:09, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

5 p.m. EST. --Doug Coldwell ^talk 22:31, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

		The Surreal Barnstar
		For having formulated a successful sixteen article hook in one DYK, I award you this Barnstar for the help you have provided in accomplishing this achievement. --Doug Coldwell ^talk 22:31, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Doug. Thank you for that, though my effort was quite small. Xn4 (talk) 02:45, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for adding the DYK to the Hall of Fame Xn4. Even now, there is a discussion for deleting articles.--Doug Coldwell ^talk 12:51, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No trouble in the update, Doug. Yes, I saw that discussion. There are some complicated issues there. Regards, Xn4 (talk) 12:55, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Pierre Abraham Lorillard

Xn4, Just in case I forgot to let you know, this is the letter I received from the Church of Saint Peter in New York.

I have searched our records extensively and have not found any information concerning Peter Lorillard or his son Pierre Lorillard II. I have tried to locate this person for you by checking other St. Peter's Parishes but had no luck. No one seemed to know anything about a tombstone shaped as a snuffbox either. Sorry for the delay getting back to you. If in the future we can be of assistance to you, please don't hesitate to contact us. Sincerely, signed Patricia Ruggiero

She left her church address and an email address for follow up.-Doug Coldwell ^talk 16:03, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Congratulations, Doug, on following the story up, though the news is puzzling, isn't it? It was good of Patricia Ruggiero to go to so much trouble. The most likely interpretation is probably that the snuffbox-tombstone was a complete invention (or an idea which never happened) but which someone gave credence to until it was printed as a fact. In those days, a tombstone shaped like a snuffbox would, I think, have seemed whimsical to the point of being irreligious. People did do stranger things, but solid tradesmen rarely. If such a stone was ever there, some later Lorillard (or minister) might have replaced it, but (failing any kind of reliable source) as it seems even the grave isn't where it's said to be I think the tombstone should be treated as a fable.

Of course, as Lorillard has failed to turn up in that church's records at all, he must be somewhere else, so it's just possible that such a tomb is merely in another place. In any event, it might be worth asking the Lorillard company (which in the past has published various historical leaflets) if the family knows where he's buried. One guesses they do, as to lose such an ancestor would be careless. Xn4 (talk) 04:01, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Sholto Johnstone Douglas

On January 30, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Sholto Johnstone Douglas, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Dravecky (talk) 08:48, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks for this. Xn4 (talk) 02:43, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Battle of Ethandun

Impressed. Thanks, Dzw49 (talk) 02:25, 4 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Gresham

I just had a quick look and it doesn't appear to be a 5x-expansion. Are you sure you excluded the quotes in your count? --BorgQueen (talk) 03:42, 4 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oh my, do you ever read the DYK discussion page? The quotation thing has been controversial but you might want to check with Gatoclass if there has been any change of the rules on that. I've been inactive on DYK for a while now. --BorgQueen (talk) 03:50, 4 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It would be best to add it back on the 27th, yes. Wizardman 04:07, 4 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oh my, I don't look at the DYK discussion page very much, but thanks to you both for your help. Xn4 (talk) 09:11, 4 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Re

Thanks for notifying me. Mario1987 09:37, 4 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If you look at my monobook.js page you will see a code. Make yourself a similar page and paste the code, and in the left part of the page at "Toolbox" you will have a "Page size" button. Click on that and look at the "Prose text" and you will see what i'm talking about. Mario1987 17:01, 4 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Gresham, Norfolk

On February 6, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Gresham, Norfolk, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Dravecky (talk) 08:40, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Dravecky! Xn4 (talk) 15:01, 14 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Maxwell Ayrton

On February 13, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Maxwell Ayrton, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Dravecky (talk) 21:06, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks again, Dravecky! Xn4 (talk) 15:01, 14 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Clio the Muse

Greetings, Xn4:

Do you have any news of the great one that you are permitted to share? Every time I open the page for Ref Dek/Humanities, there is a small bit of me that expects to see her name at the bottom of a thorough and interesting response. My late-night reading has so little of new knowledge in it since Clio left us. As you can tell, I still miss her. ៛ BL ៛ (talk) 22:22, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Alas, no news to pass on, Bielle. But Clio quondam Clioque futura? We live in hope. Xn4 (talk) 15:03, 14 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, Xn4. ៛ BL ៛ (talk) 16:07, 14 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Conclusion of the American Civil War

Your input would be appreciated on the above article to improve its grammer and style. Thanks. --Doug Coldwell ^talk 14:12, 15 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'll look at its grammar (and spelling!) Xn4 (talk) 14:18, 15 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wow! Great improvements, thanks.--Doug Coldwell ^talk 17:11, 15 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No trouble. Xn4 (talk) 19:59, 15 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've expanded the article and submitted for G.A.--Doug Coldwell ^talk 22:17, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Removed your name from credit. Wanted to show you how much appreciation I have for the work you put in on the article. Receiving additional Alt hooks, which hopefully one will be agreed upon and chosen. Working on making improvements for G.A. User talk:Doug Coldwell#Conclusion of the American Civil War based on excellent suggestions from User:Hlj. Really appreciate everyone's input. Thanks much!!--Doug Coldwell ^talk 15:32, 24 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Anne Jane Thornton

On February 16, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Anne Jane Thornton, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Nice article! Gatoclass (talk) 11:04, 16 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks, Gatoclass! Xn4 (talk) 12:23, 16 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Xn4

Hi Xn4. Based upon conclusive CheckUser evidence located at the above sockpuppet case you have been found to have been operating multiple abusive sockpuppets. As such, all of your puppets have been indef blocked and if you continue to do so this account will be too. Consider this your only and last warning. Cheers, Tiptoety ^talk 01:49, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Topic ban on British India and other similar articles

see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Xn4/Archive and Category: Wikipedia sockpuppets of Xn4

Your use of a sockpuppet farm has created a false consensus on the British India page, and you used sockpuppet User:Strawless to break you word to me.[2][3][4].

Since that deception, with that sock puppet and others you have relentlessly pressed for British India to be a page much larger than others agreed to, both on the talk pages, and in active edits. You have wasted a lot of time of several editors in particular User:Fowler&fowler through your bad faith editing and gaming the system.

It seems to me that through the use of sockpuppets to enforce your views on the British India and British Raj articles you have shown obsessive behaviour, so I am placing a three month ban on you editing the British India, and the British Raj pages and their talk pages. This ban also includes any article, and its talk page, which is is linked via a {{main}} template from either of those two articles.

At the end of three months you may resume editing in this area but for a further month the WP:1RR rule applies to you.

So that the dates are clear: the initial ban lasts up to and including the last day in May 2009, the 1RR lasts throughout June 2009.

Because of your use of sockpuppets, during the next four months you are not to encourage others to edit any of these articles or post to the talk pages of these articles, as editors who edit these pages in good faith after you have made such a request, are in danger of being seen as sockpuppet accounts.

You may appeal to WP:ANI if you wish, or as this issue is also covered by Wikipedia:Blocking_policy#Disruption by placing {{unblock|Your reason here}} on this page. If other administrators consider that I have been harsh or unreasonable then I will consider their points of view and review this decision. If you make such an appeal then please inform me on my talk page. However I must warn you that some administrators may consider my ban a light one and impose further sanctions if you appeal my decision. --PBS (talk) 13:55, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This is all quite wrong. Anyone who looks at File:Strawless and Xn4.png will see that Strawless and I have several times been editing at the same time. As I look at it, the chart shows nothing like "tag team editing" and while I agree that "they rarely edit at the same time", I do not know what significance there is in that. More important, there was a period of more than a month in 2008 when I was in France and Strawless (presumably) was not. Other users may have more to say. Xn4 (talk) 19:22, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The basis for the blocks was not solely from that graph, but from the checkuser evidence that confirmed your connection to more than one account. PeterSymonds (talk) 20:28, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Peter. Yes, I understand that, but I have a shared IP address which is part of a large network. Once before, I and several other editors were identified as sockpuppets of a problem user, but after a short argument this was undone (see Unblock request at User talk:Xn4/Archive 2). Xn4 (talk) 23:05, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I see that this is merely a ban on my editing particular pages for a short time, which seems very odd. I am not suspended, merely removed from a particular discussion. How very convenient to PBS, who is on the other side of the argument! In any event, it seems that while I am accused of sockpuppetry and banned from two pages, others on the same network as me are banned permanently from Wikipedia as suspected sockpuppets. I expect some of them will have their own objections to this. Xn4 (talk) 23:20, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Another member of the check user team has confirmed the findings, which means it is now be found and confirmed by the check user team. If the check user team is correct and you have indeed been using sockpuppets an apology would go a long way to restoring people's confidence in your good faith.

The reason for me banning you from contributing to a specific area of Wikipedia is because I know the history of your edits to the articles and contributions to the article talk pages. A quick look at your contributions shows that you also edit in other areas and as I am not going to look into them to see if there is a similar pattern of behaviour, I would not consider it correct for me to block your account. There is an assumption of good faith on Wikipedia and the ban is meant to serve as a time for you to contemplate what you have done and reform your ways, it is not a punishment. --PBS (talk) 10:26, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't agree, but with a matter like this no one on either side will say they have got anything wrong. Xn4 (talk) 13:21, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If the check user team change their opinion, I will lift the ban and apologise for the inconvenience I have caused you, but at the moment I am assuming good faith by the check user team and I like other Wikipedians rely on their impartiality and good judgement. --PBS (talk) 13:33, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Will the admin who's responsible please see what I say at User talk:Dzw49#Objection to being blocked indefinitely? I am Dzw49 and I'm having to edit this page anonymously to leave a message here. 86.160.26.142 (talk) 21:22, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I just wish to leave the comment that I am related to Xn4. UmarZ (talk) 15:34, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Blocked indefinitely

You have been blocked indefinitely from editing in accordance with Wikipedia's blocking policy for Continued abusive sock/meatpuppetry using User:UmarZ. Unblock reviewers should consult User:YellowMonkey before unblocking. If you believe this block is unjustified you may contest this block by adding the text {{unblock|Your reason here}} below. Fritzpoll (talk) 13:22, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

Xn4 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

UmarZ is not me. I am really very weary of this. See also User talk:Strawless and the points raised under this header below.

Decline reason:

I suggest you follow Fowler&fowler's advice and email a checkuser with any technical stuff you are able to explain. This should help resolve the situation. Alternately, you could place a new request if you are willing to explain all this out in the open. Mango juice^talk 18:30, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

Xn4 (talk) 00:46, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Can you explain this: [5]? --Jayron32.talk.contribs 03:06, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Please see also this. Umar has been staying with me. Xn4 (talk) 10:04, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Also, Strawless is outside the UK this week. Please refer to Checkuser. Xn4 (talk) 10:06, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I am very curious, who is User:Sophisticant, who declined the above unblock request, and why has Sophisticant just been deleted? Xn4 (talk) 11:43, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That user was a vandal, not an administrator. I have reverted their edits here so that they do not affect your unblock request. Dominic·t 11:45, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks, Dominic. This gets more and more bizarre. Xn4 (talk) 11:49, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If user:Strawless is your partner, why would you state in your post in the section above that, "More important, there was a period of more than a month in 2008 when I was in France and Strawless (presumably) was not." Did you really not know? You claim that user:UmarZ is related to you. What about all the others who have the same IP address—user:Dzw49, user:RF75, user:Umar Zulfikar Khan; how are they related to you? And, is user:Umar Zulfikar Khan the same as user:UmarZ? If so, why did s/he create a new account (from your IP address), when they had already been blocked? Fowler&fowler «Talk» 14:42, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

PS Why do Dzw49 (talk · contribs) and RF75 (talk · contribs) have asynchronous editing times with you—in other words, why do the three of you never edit at the same time—in addition to having the same IP address? And, why, then, do you and RF75 (talk · contribs) edit the same pages, such as: Gresham, Thomas Gresham, Gresham's School, Worshipful Company of Fishmongers, Derby School, St Helen's House, Rosalyn Landor, ... even the same images: Image1, Image2? ... and you and Dzw49 (talk · contribs) edit the same pages as well, such as: Boyton, Wiltshire, Hawtrey, Battle of Ethandun, Bratton, Wiltshire, Cherhill White Horse. Isn't that a lot of coincidence? Fowler&fowler «Talk» 17:27, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You do not have to give out personal information here and I would not recommend that you do. If you can still use the email tab perhaps you should email one of the checkuser team arbitrators who looked into the case. If you decided to email a checkuser arbitrator please include F&f's questions and whether you can or can not email please inform us on this talk page so we know someone is addressing the issue and the questions put to you. -- PBS (talk) 17:36, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm going to follow PBS's advice and not give out personal information. Of course members of the same household have shared interests, as well as shared schools. Fowler&fowler asks "If so, why did s/he create a new account (from your IP address), when they had already been blocked?" I imagine that is the same Umar, but as he isn't here at the moment, he can't possibly have created a new account from my IP address. Fowler&fowler says that he did, but that must be a guess and is incorrect. Yes, I shall consider asking for the checkuser information, but I have to say that my interest in Wikipedia is declining steeply, and I wonder whether it will recover in any event. Xn4 (talk) 20:06, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I for one would be saddened if you chose not to continue here (I don't know what is involved in this case and can't be bothered to find out, but I imagine it's some storm in a pedantic teacup). Thanks for all of the considerable and erudite help you've given me these last few years. Regards, Ericoides (talk) 20:36, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]