Talk:Second Amendment sanctuary

Caps

I believe that this article should be renamed, from "Second Amendment Sanctuary" to "Second Amendment sanctuary" -- that is, the word "sanctuary" in the title should not be capitalized. The guideline for this is at WP:NCCAPS, where it says "Do not capitalize the second or subsequent words in an article title, unless the title is a proper name. For multiword page titles, one should leave the second and subsequent words in lowercase unless the title phrase is a proper name that would always occur capitalized, even in the middle of a sentence." Furthermore, the word "sanctuary" should not be capitalized in the text of the article either. (Note however that "Second Amendment" is considered a proper noun.) — Mudwater ^(Talk) 11:39, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

No objection.Terrorist96 (talk) 12:51, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

I don't think anyone else will object either, so, I'm going to go ahead with this. — Mudwater ^(Talk) 21:23, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

Editing Maps and Content

There has been significant activity in Virginia, with counties and towns passing sanctuary resolutions. I have been adding more counties, as well as citations. However, I have not updated the map as I don't know how to do that. Can someone provide guidance?

Also, the citations are generally pointers to news articles. Should it also be a goal to provide references to the actual document if available?

This article could also be improved by providing summarizing Pro's and Cons that are being discussed (with references). Additionally, there has been 1 City in Virginia where a sanctuary resolution has failed. Should we also begin tracking those in order to balance out the article?

Thanks in advance. Richfromvirginia (talk) 13:06, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

I am the original creator of the map (and this article) and I have kept the map updated. If you don't see the latest update, refresh the page bypassing cache. Both types of sources would be sufficient. A pros/cons section would just be purely editorial and would not add much to the article. And I don't think it's worth the time and effort to track failed attempts.Terrorist96 (talk) 17:35, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

OK, sounds good. I am new to editing wikipedia pages and will of course follow your lead. I'm happy to help update the successful passages by counties/cities/towns as they occur. Thank you.

Hello Terrorist96, I have noticed that some jurisdictions in VA are passing "Constitutional sanctuary" resolutions. What are your thoughts on adding links to the actual passed resolutions from each municipality? Similar to what you have done for State laws, adding "The text can be read here" (and of course a link to the official document for each location). Richfromvirginia (talk) 17:26, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

@Richfromvirginia: Sure, that can be a supplemental reference footnote link. I don't think it would be good to follow the same format as the state laws section as that is more of a prose whereas this is more of a list. It could just be a footnote reference, otherwise the list would be full of "text can be read here" on each line and would not look good.Terrorist96 (talk) 20:51, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Virginia

I opened one source and read this "Several Hanover supervisors debated over the board’s exclusion of the word “sanctuary.” Henrico supervisors also avoided using the term, one that some government officials worry could be interpreted as an intent to subvert state law and judicial processes." Do you think it is appropriate to list Hanover and Henrico as Sancutuary counties when neither passed that resolution? I believe we need to be more nuanced, neutral, and follow the sources. Perhaps there is a way to footnote or asterik cities that only passes 2nd amendment support resolutions, instead of full on 'sanctuary' status? I hope we can all agree it is not appropriate to call Henrico a 'sanctuary' when they specifically edited the resolution to remove that language, right? And then sourcing, I feel like we can do better than ammoland and keepva2a. I'd highly recommend upgrading the soucing there. Please take my advice under consideration to build a more neutral, encyclopdic article. Thank you. -Andrew c ^[talk] 12:29, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

It's a valid point, but also comes with a lot of extra analyzation. Some websites distinguish these counties/cities while others don't (like VCDL). I think it's too much effort to analyze each single resolution and make those notes. Also regarding sourcing: I've only used keepva2a when no other sources are available at the time, but have updated the sources as the news sites catch up. And ammoland isn't being used as the only source for anything, just as a supplement.Terrorist96 (talk) 19:00, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

Washington state

The counties in the State of Washington don't fit the 2A sanctuary definition used in the article. The map should be edited to reflect that none of them are sanctuary counties. --Mox La Push (talk) 07:33, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

I've restructured the placement of Washington. However, unless actual gun sanctuary measures have been adopted in Washington state the state should probably be removed from the article altogether as the verbal pledges of sheriffs re: I-1639 falls far short of sanctuary legislation and it is misleading to indicate otherwise. --Mox La Push (talk) 07:54, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

Washington is a special case. It already has different wording at the beginning of its section ("sheriffs that have vowed to not enforce I-1639 while it is being challenged in court" vs. "adopted Second Amendment sanctuary resolutions") and is grouped among other Second Amendment sanctuary jurisdictions; example.Terrorist96 (talk) 19:00, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

"X out of Y counties have Second Amendment sanctuary resolutions"

I notice that the current year/date isn't being included when the number of sanctuary resolutions is given. That may make it harder to maintain this page in the future. I suggest editors add "as of 2020" (or something like that) to help for the future. Jusadi (talk) 13:13, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

Reaffirm 2A is different than sanctuary status

The citation for Marquette, Michigan clearly states that they did not vote to become a sanctuary county but instead voted to reaffirm the second amendment. However, it is incorrectly placed in a list that says that it has passed a sanctuary resolution. A county reaffirming the second amendment is distinctly different from the definition of sanctuary at the top of the article. Marquette county has not passed (as far as I know) anything which "...prohibit or impede the enforcement of certain gun control measures perceived as violative of the Second Amendment such as universal gun background checks, high capacity magazine bans, assault weapon bans, red flag laws, etc." (definition from top of article). I don't think it is "too much effort" to clearly and accurately report what different resolutions do when one of the major points of this page is to apparently document which places are sanctuaries. I fully agree with User:Andrew c here. Scottk (talk) 18:14, 12 February 2020 (UTC)