Talk:Breitbart News

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 24 December 2017

Remove the "far right" from this entry. The use of the phrase is subjective, opinion, and misleading. The purpose and reason for continued support of this sit depends on impartial and consistent facts....not opinion. Thanks. 104.129.196.155 (talk) 20:20, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

 Not done - Consensus is to maintain the far right description. See previous discussions.- MrX 20:41, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

This is why I and many others no longer actively participate in this site and nobody takes this place's political articles seriously anymore. Its devolved into just a handful of rabid partisans squatting on their own personal fiefdoms. No rational person can think systematically going around frontloading the intros of rightwing organizations and people with labels from their opponents and negative info is 'neutrality' just because they got a few of their buddies together to agree and selectively googled a few 'citations' saying what they want to hear. Enjoy your 'victory while WP goes further down the toilet. Jarwulf (talk) 01:21, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 24 December 2017

Remove the biased and opinion from this entry. Saying that the sight has been called bigoted and racist is deceptive to uninformed and those that are truly interested in reading, understanding, and learning something. In this day of social media and armchair reporting, anyone can be called any anything by anyone. The founder of Wikileaks has been called a rapist...yet he is innocent until proven guilty. 104.129.196.155 (talk) 20:25, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

 Not done - You did not specify what text should be removed and a verbatim copy of the text that should replace it.- MrX 20:45, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

Leftist political goggles

It's ridiculous that I even have to be here writing this. After reading this article, I skipped over to the Wikipedia entry for CNN, which cites objectively who founded it, and the history of the news network. It goes on to detail controversies, but is at least fair. This article starts out defaming the legitimacy of the news outlet based on partisan opinion, and continues as though it is some kind of leftist "snopes" debunk of everything they have accomplished or reported. I am frankly disgusted that whoever wrote it thought this was an objective description. I'm an educated scientist that spends time writing objective HONEST scientific papers and opinions, and there is NOTHING objective about how this article is written. It should be completely deleted and rewritten. The Wikipedia description of CNN doesn't open with how Donna Brazile unfairly fed Hillary Clinton debate questions, or how the network continually advances the totally unproven conspiracy theory about Russian collusion to win the 2016 presidential election, and the Breitbart article shouldn't lead with: "The site has published a number of falsehoods and conspiracy theories,[9][10][11][12] as well as intentionally misleading stories.[13] Its journalists are ideologically driven, and some of its content has been called misogynist, xenophobic and racist.[14]". REALLY!? CNN's description doesn't describe them as "intentionally misleading", "ideologically driven", and "xenophobic and racist", although from the point of view of the right, THEY CERTAINLY ARE! Let's keep encyclopedia journals objective. This one is frankly insulting to anyone with any amount of intelligence, and anyone who defends its supposed objectivity is a partisan fascist by the literal description. The term alt-right should only be used with quotations "alt-right" as everyone seems to have a different opinion about what it means.

If Wikipedia wants to inform people that Andrew Breitbart founded the news outlet to provide a voice to the pro-Israel movement, that is fine, and accurate. Labeling the entire organization as "intentionally misleading" is definitely partisan rather than objective. CNN is certainly intentionally misleading, and ideologically driven, and it is NOT stated in the opening of their description. Lets keep the punches above the belt. If you want to rant about Breitbart on political forums, that is fine, but the "encyclopedia" articles should be objective and devoid of opinions. Whoever wrote this needs to clean it up to have a clean conscience about their objectivity, or admit they are a partisan fascist.

Xlaziox (talk) 21:04, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia new editor! CNN and Breitbart are not remotely in the same league, so trying to compare the two articles is not useful. You claim that the entire organization is labeled as "intentionally misleading", but that's not true is it? What the article actually says is that "The site has published... intentionally misleading stories." which is a different thing altogether. The lead rightfully highlights the things for which Breitbart is most notable.- MrX 21:18, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

CNN is an enormous news organization which protects itself from revenue loss by maintaining a rigid adherence to a certain minimum standard of journalistic ethics; in doing so, they ensure that their news coverage remains in demand to a wide audience, and thus reduce the incentive of any of their customers to pull advertisements from CNN. This reputation allowed them to grow to a size where a single advertiser pulling their business out would not have any appreciable impact upon their annual earnings. As a result of that growth, CNN faces no appreciable political pressures from their customer base. Their news programming is allowed to stand, even when it offends their customers. This reputation also stands as a powerful incentive to maintain their standards of journalistic ethics; as their entire business model is based upon the trust shown to them by the public, the loss of said trust is one thing that could quickly bankrupt the business.

Breitbart, on the other hand, operates on such a small budget (in comparison to CNN), that a single advertiser pulling out could cause them to experience a loss of revenue. This loss of revenue could drive down prices, resulting in further losses of revenue, and possibly even bankruptcy. However, they were established as having a specific political view, and as such tend to attract advertisers who share their political view, or who wish to advertise to people who share their political view. This served as a sort of filter; Breitbart could never get too large (they would never achieve any appreciable market share in large cities), but ensured that they enjoyed a cozy relationship with their customers. This severely reduces the incentive for advertisers to pull ads from Breitbart, but drastically increases pressures upon Breitbart to misrepresent the truth in order to maintain said political ideology. It provides no incentives whatsoever to maintain any journalistic standards.

These differences had the utterly predictable result of a neutral, non-partisan encyclopedia such as Wikipedia thus describing these two organizations in vastly different ways. CNN is notable for being a news outlet. Breitbart is notable for publishing numerous falsehoods. There is little we can do about this difference without sacrificing our own set of ethics, because the difference between the two articles is reflective of the difference between the two groups, and not of the politics of this wide open organization which anyone can contribute to, even without joining (namely, Wikipedia).

In summary, if you think Breitbart and CNN are the same sorts of groups, only with different political stances, then I'm afraid you have no business editing articles such as this one. I would suggest you start editing articles which are less controversial, and stick to that until you feel you have a solid understanding of our policies and guidelines before returning to edit political articles. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 22:11, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

Please add direct quote from 2017 book on birtherism

This edit contradicts the NYT[1]. There is no way for any of us to check the source without buying the book. Could user:Iselilja send a picture of the page in question or post direct quotes from the book that substantiate that Breitbart never promoted birtherism? Snooganssnoogans (talk) 22:05, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Luckily, there is a way to check it without buying the book. Direct quote "they have never advocated 'birtherism' ". Iselilja (talk) 22:11, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Thank you. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 22:17, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

User:DrFleischman Thanks for trying to copyedit, but you introduce some inaccuaracies. The incident did not happen at CPAC but at "The Uninvited" counter conference arranged by Bannon for people who were unwelcome at CPAC. Green makes a point of Taitz not even being welcome among "The Uninvited". Besides, the statement that the Breitbart site did not promote birtherism stands for itself. It's not like this epiode is "the evidence" and should not be written as such. Please consult the source. Iselilja (talk) 00:01, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Ok thanks for correcting me. I was thinking about getting rid of that bit about Taitz anyway. It does seem a bit far afield. --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 01:01, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Infobox: website or newspaper

There's an RfC on whether a news website should use {{Infobox website}} or {{Infobox newspaper}}: Talk:The Times of Israel#RfC on infobox. --Triggerhippie4 (talk) 14:03, 5 January 2018 (UTC)