Talk:Sparta

You should not talk about Greece when you talk about Sparta. Sparta never knew word greek and Greece. Word greek and Greece are created 2.000 years after the spartan splendor. Please use correctly historical terms. Please show history correctly and be fair on using right historical terms and names without mixing them. Please tell a right history of ancient times and dont manipulate that history. There have never existed Greece in ancient times and please start a movement to erase and delete all words greek and Greece for the history of 2.000 years ago because those words were not created yet in that time and it is wrong to call a period of history with a name that was created later in time. Call ancient time Hellas, Hyllas, Helios, Ilion and people of that place as hellenes or illyrians but please dont call them Greece and greeks because this is a wrong term according to all authentical sources and original documents. There results nowhere in the original documents that word greeks and Greece are used before 15th century of middle ages. It is wrong to use term greeks and Greece for a period who is 1000 years older than the creation of the terms greeks and Greece. Please correct everything that have to do with Greece and greeks. Please dont let a false history to be told. This is not for the good of the world history. 185.32.20.18 (talk) 12:43, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

What happened to Sparta?

The article states that Sparta was re-founded, but it doesn't mention anything in Spartan history after its absorption by Rome, other than that Spartans kept their way of life (until when?). So what happened? Was Sparta abandoned? Did the Spartans die out? Did someone destroy the city? Did they eventually abandon their way of life? Do the modern Spartans have anything in common with the ancient Spartans?

There aren't really any historical documents that tell us what happened. In all likelihood Sparta just became another town in Southern Greece. The period of Classical Sparta only lasted a relatively short amount of time, by the time of the Macedonians and the Romans demographic changes in Sparta, such as high mortality amongst the elite Spartiate class, emancipation of the Helots, shifting powers between the kings and ephores etc. had largely undone the old Lycurgan system. Sparta, unlike Athens, had a very crude economy, without their elite soldiers they didn't really have any means of projecting their power beyond their border. Since they didn't have any particularly valuable resources they were probably just left to their own devices. Modern Spartans probably have no relation to the ancient Spartans as A) the city was deserted during the massive population decline in Greece that occurred in the late Roman Empire and middle ages and B)the modern town is actually in a slightly different location and was founded by Crusaders in the 13th century following the 4th Crusade.

123.243.215.92 (talk) 09:28, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Tautology

"The prehistory of Sparta is difficult to reconstruct" --91.10.26.226 (talk) 21:46, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Questions This is just a question but many people seem to say that Sparta was captured after the battle of thermoayple — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.239.198.251 (talk) 21:31, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Sparta wasn't captured during the Persian Wars. You're probably thinking of Athens, which was abandoned after Thermopylae, occupied by the Persians then recaptured by the Athenians after the Battle of Salamis.

123.243.215.92 (talk) 09:32, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

rewrite needed

"Middle Neolithic period, found in the vicinity of Kouphovouno some two kilometres (1.2 miles) south-southwest of Sparta.[24] These are the earliest traces of the original Mycenaean Spartan civilization." Mykenae was a Bronze Age culture, NOT a Neolithic one. 71.163.117.143 (talk) 13:40, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 May 2014

The needed pronunciation of Lacedaemon in the first words of the article is given in the Wiktionary as /ˌlæsəˈdiːmən/ (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Lacedaemon) 62.152.148.16 (talk) 23:13, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

 Done Thanks - Arjayay (talk) 09:13, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 December 2014

Sparta

1) By the middle of the 6th Century was Sparta the strongest military power in Greece. 2) Stealing by boys was permitted to develop stealth + surprise but being caught was severely punishable. 3) The Spartan city-state was 6,000 sq. kilometers, twice the site of the next largest city state. 4) Creates the Peloponnesian League in the 6th Century which is an alliance with Sparta + other city-states. 5) Three most important characteristics: a. Military b. Education c. Religion 6) Coin the phrase -> "with this shield or on it" come back with your shield claiming victory or come back on it dead 1. Population: 25,000 2. Slaves: 100,000 3. Soldiers: 8,000 4. Found in: 900-800 BC 7) Two ways to get tombstone: women dies in childbirth/soldier dies in battle In fact only 298 Spartans showed up at the battle of Thermopylae not 300. This is because, one the two Spartan soldiers that did not show up to battle was Pantites. Pantites was away on a diplomatic mission to Thessaly. Pantits tried his best to come back before the battle of Thermoplylae but was unsuccessful, because he missed the battle he felt dishonored so, he hung himself. Now, he did this because the Spartans were all about war and honoring their country and being picked to fight with the king was a great honor and if they didn't show up to battle they were consider cowards, no matter what, even if they were on a mission they are supposed to get back in time for battle. Also,at the battle of Thermopylae they only sent four percent of the spartan army because, the king was fight in the war to but if the king was not they would have sent the full one-hundred percent. the other spartan solider that didn't show up was Airtodamus,he was sent away for an errand, but even today we do not know what that errand was but we do know that it was his fault, that he missed the battle of Thermopylae. He had taken his time coming back on purpose, so that he would not have to fight in the battle. After returning to camp after the battle is over he is viewed as a coward and mocked for lack of courage. In the next battle Plataea the Spartans put him in the front line and pretended to charged, leaving Airtodamus charging by himself in which the Persians killed him very quickly and easily. 98.227.218.6 (talk) 20:17, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Not entirely sure what you want done here. I am further hesitant to add anything sourced to "Mr. Dirschl's Notes". Cannolis (talk) 20:41, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 January 2015

Make the page Spartan redirect here as Spartan commonly refers to inhabitants of Sparta (i.e. it is the primary topic).

On that note, move the content of the Spartan page to Spartan (disambiguation) and add a hatnote on this page saying: "

"Spartan" redirects here. For other uses, see Spartan (disambiguation).

".

<<< SOME GADGET GEEK >>> (talk) 15:35, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template.  ^B E _C K ^Y _S A ^{Y L} E _S  16:10, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

Spartan pederasty

From the article :

"Sparta is thought to be the first city to practice athletic nudity, and some scholars claim that it was also the first to formalize pederasty.[92] According to these sources, the Spartans believed that the love of an older, accomplished aristocrat for an adolescent was essential to his formation as a free citizen. The agoge, the education of the ruling class, was, they claim, founded on pederastic relationships required of each citizen,[93] with the lover responsible for the boy's training.

However, other scholars question this interpretation. Xenophon explicitly denies it,[86] but not Plutarch.[94]"

Actually Plutarch explicitly denies the sexual dimension as well :

Affectionate regard for boys of good character was permissible, but embracing them was held to be disgraceful, on the ground that the affection was for the body and not for the mind. Any man against whom complaint was made of any disgraceful embracing was deprived of all civic rights for life.

Plutarch, Moralia, The Ancient Customs of the Spartans 7 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.230.12.163 (talk) 08:52, 1 April 2015 (UTC)