Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Transcendental Meditation

Category change

I am in the process of changing the Category name. I have filed a formal request for permission here as follows:

• Category:Transcendental Meditation movement to Category:Transcendental Meditation - The main article which gives an overview of the entire topic area is Transcendental Meditation the article Transcendental Meditation movement is a sub-article to the main TM article and should therefore not be the name of the Category.

Are there any objections?-- — Keithbob • Talk • 02:25, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

This is accurate and thanks for catching this error and requesting the change. I wonder why no one noticed this until now.(olive (talk) 02:29, 10 April 2012 (UTC))

OK it seems that the change was approved and the change was performed by a bot so now the page is correct.  Done-- — Keithbob • Talk • 00:38, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

AfD for TM related article

Can be found here if anyone would like to participate.-- — Keithbob • Talk • 02:27, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Auto-Archiving for this page

I don't know how or why but this talk page has been set up to auto-archive every 30 days. Since the page gets little traffic this seems counterproductive as its often useful to refer back to prior discussions. The user guide on auto-archiving says: "Make sure to establish consensus before setting up MiszaBot or ClueBot III on a talk page other than your user talk page." Was this discussed? I don't find any discussion of this in the archives (no joke intended). Any opinions on this?-- — Keithbob • Talk • 17:46, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

I've changed this to auto archive every 180 days. If anyone objects we can change it to whatever is the consensus here.-- — Keithbob • Talk • 01:08, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

'Maharishi Group' article

Maharishi Group (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

For less-that-obvious reasons, this article is apparently seen as relevant to WikiProject Transcendental Meditation. Frankly, it is a complete heap of horseshit, and undoubtedly merits deletion, in that it seems to be about a 'conglomerate' for which no sources that actually prove even existence appear to be cited - let alone the ridiculous claim (now removed) that it is some kind of 'non-profit benevolent society'. In the unlikely event that anyone from this Wikiproject actually knows of any reliable source that can actually tell us what sort of entity this 'group' is, or even confirms its existence as a group with a formal structure, rather than as a mixed bunch of entities with 'Maharishi' in their names, I suggest that they post the relevant third-party references on the article talk page, before it goes to AfD. AndyTheGrump (talk) 19:22, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Thoughts on managing the scope of the topic

Since it has come up a few times on talk pages. I wanted to open a thread to discuss the overall topic. Just as a starting point and a "note to myself" I'm listing some activities that I am, or have been, involved in regarding expansion and reduction of this broad topic area so we can begin to have an overview of what's going on and where we might be headed:

• Articles that I have suggested for deletion: Hararit (denied), Kara Anastasio (now redirected), Maharishi Group (proposed for deletion)
• Articles I have split or suggested that they be split: TM-Sidhi (split off as Maharishi Effect), Transcendental Meditation technique (suggested split of Institutional Programs section is under discussion)
• -- — Keithbob • Talk • 23:02, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

For Reference: Comments from the TM-Sidhi talk page

• As I said my concern was about a general criticism leveled against the TM articles, that there are too many, and too many cases in which content was forked or split off. I think this is a legitimate criticism and want to make sure that if we do make this split it is necessary rather than possible. (olive (talk) 14:52, 7 September 2012 (UTC))
• your concern is a valid one: there are an awful lot of TM-related articles and probably one more would not help things at all.--Luke Warmwater101 (talk) 16:47, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
• There's a fair amount of content in this article on the ME which might point to a necessary split off of that content. I'm not adverse to the split, I just want to make sure its done for the right reasons given past criticism.(olive (talk) 17:00, 7 September 2012 (UTC))
• WP:SummaryStyle which says: "A fuller treatment of any major subtopic should go in a separate article of its own." While I share Olive's concern that there are too many TM articles, some articles have large amounts of duplicate information 9particularly the TM movement, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and History of TM trilogy of articles. If we don't make this topic a stand alone topic will just end up with large amounts of dupliate info in both the TMT and TM-sidhi article. So in this instance I think a separate article may be in order. Keithbob • Talk • 19:01, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
• My only concern is this: Are we sure Wikipedia needs yet another TM related article?--Luke Warmwater101 (talk) 08:02, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
• I think that's a different question and this page is probably not the venue for that (larger) discussion. What we have before us is a situation where, IMO, the article is not compliant with WP guidelines: WP:SUMMARY and WP:UNDUE and WP:COATRACK. This situation would be eliminated by splitting the section into its own article. We are not creating more content, just organizing in a more WP compliant manner. That's how I see it.-- — Keithbob • Talk • 16:41, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
• The number of TM articles is a related question to the proposed split and I think it bears thinking about. It is probably legitimate to split off content here but I'd like to follow that action up with a close look at other articles to see if we can delete some, or combine them into other articles.(olive (talk) 21:26, 13 September 2012 (UTC))
• I think this is a good suggestion and a good compromise. Let's do both of these things.--Luke Warmwater101 (talk) 08:44, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
• -- — Keithbob • Talk • 23:22, 4 October 2012 (UTC)