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::No, your refactoring of other editors comments is uncivil. You should not add "pro", "con" or headings which interpret what other editors have written. Leave their comments alone, reply with new comments in order, and in these and all other ways follow the talk page guidelines.--<small>[[User:JohnBlackburne|JohnBlackburne]]</small><sup>[[User_talk:JohnBlackburne|words]]</sup><sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;">[[Special:Contributions/JohnBlackburne|deeds]]</sub> 22:40, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
::No, your refactoring of other editors comments is uncivil. You should not add "pro", "con" or headings which interpret what other editors have written. Leave their comments alone, reply with new comments in order, and in these and all other ways follow the talk page guidelines.--<small>[[User:JohnBlackburne|JohnBlackburne]]</small><sup>[[User_talk:JohnBlackburne|words]]</sup><sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;">[[Special:Contributions/JohnBlackburne|deeds]]</sub> 22:40, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
::::: I have now provided space for unstructured debate. Please use that for your editing and do not remove my posts. [[User:Yaniv256|Yaniv256]] ([[User talk:Yaniv256#top|talk]]) 22:46, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
::::: I have now provided space for unstructured debate. Please use that for your editing and do not remove my posts. [[User:Yaniv256|Yaniv256]] ([[User talk:Yaniv256#top|talk]]) 22:46, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

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Revision as of 01:50, 25 July 2012

Welcome!

Hello, Yaniv256, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your messages on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically insert your username and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or ask your question on this page and then place {{help me}} before the question. Again, welcome! —Ruud 23:14, 22 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. I made a few minor formatting changes, but otherwise the article looks great. Thank you! —Ruud 23:14, 22 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yaniv, this could interest you. Boris Tsirelson (talk) 20:40, 23 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  1. Please do not modify the flow of discussion by introducing subheading that separate replies from the comments they are replying to as you did here.
  2. Please do not insert comments out of order as you did here.
  3. Please do not modify your own comments later without updating the time stamp in the signature, as you did here and here and here
  4. Never modify other users' comments, as you did here and here and here. Even if you think you are preserving the sense of what they said, such changes suggest to later readers that those other users said things which they did not in fact say.


These are all edits of my own text or just an insertion of Con and Pro tags. You are crying wolf for no reason. Feel free to open a formal dispute. Yaniv256 (talk) 19:54, 24 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Whatever the nature of your edits, they are clearly violations of the guidelines. Do you dispute that? Deltahedron (talk) 20:02, 24 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. Yaniv256 (talk) 20:03, 24 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I have gone through and fixed this, removing the inappropriate tagging of other editors comments, pointless subheadings and some unnecessary spacing, and collapsed the copies of policies and interpretations of them. The problem with that and the tagging in general is it looked like two sides of the argument, with lots of editors on the pro side, lots on the con side, and was very difficult to follow. Now it looks like a normal threaded discussion, no content has been removed, and other editors can reply where they feel appropriate without trying to make sense of the strange formatting.--JohnBlackburnewordsdeeds 21:42, 24 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The removal of my entire argument is uncivil. Yaniv256 (talk) 22:02, 24 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
No, your refactoring of other editors comments is uncivil. You should not add "pro", "con" or headings which interpret what other editors have written. Leave their comments alone, reply with new comments in order, and in these and all other ways follow the talk page guidelines.--JohnBlackburnewordsdeeds 22:40, 24 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I have now provided space for unstructured debate. Please use that for your editing and do not remove my posts. Yaniv256 (talk) 22:46, 24 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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