Talk:De Havilland Sea Vixen

DH.110 at Farnborough

There exists some film of the DH.110 flown by John Derry disintegrating at the Farnborough Air Show. It clearly shows the separated but still-running engines (presumably running on the fuel remaining in the severed fuel lines) arcing over until they impact, I believe, somewhere amongst the watching crowds.

BTW, John Derry was the same Derry who was responsible for devising the aerobatic manouvre known as The Derry turn Ian Dunster 12:02, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Usage of non-WP:RS sources

This page has a slight issue with the usage of sources. Sources are there for the purpose of verifying information, and as such must be beyond questioning. Home-made fan sites aren't verified, their contents are as unreliable as an uncited statement is to begin with, thus do not add anything to the verification of the information they stand as evidence for, as the reference itself then needs to be verified. Non-RS sources are worse than useless, they decieve readers and editors into thinking information is reliable and sourced when it is in fact unreliable; and on policy are to be removed for the usage of new ones. In the case of the one I removed today, there was no need for an alternative to be placed, as it was acting as part of a pair of references, its removal did not create an absense of citation. We don't need, and do not benifit from, unreliable sources being included as collaborative verification, the unverified should not be used to verify. Doing such is needless, and brings us into question when such examples are found. Routine clean up exercises include the removal and replacement of sources where need be. Kyteto (talk) 15:06, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Mark Russell's History of FRADU does not have the hallmarks of an unreliable site, as it is not a Spam site, has indicated that materials such as photos should be checked for sources, has a list of sources that were used, acknowledges other sources for photos. I would accept that some might consider the site as "home-made" but there is information there that I find as useful. Would you still consider its use as an external link? FWiW Bzuk (talk) 15:28, 24 October 2010 (UTC).

Some editors have also questioned the veracity of Birtles' details, using FRADU's research. These question may need to be explored in a note section. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 15:34, 24 October 2010 (UTC).

I'd be happy with its useage in External Links, the EL entries don't need the same verifiability as they're not being used as evidence, more as a site of interest, which it certainly is. I do like the information on the site, but it really don't belong in the role of verification. Kyteto (talk) 16:12, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

That's fair, let's leave this discussion up for at least a day to see if there are any more comments from interested editors, then make the change. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 16:25, 24 October 2010 (UTC).

What about the Bircham Newton website - this does not appear to be a WP:RS either and is used to support a claim that eight D.3s were operated from Bircham Newton. It does not state how many D.3s were converted, and doesn't state that they were operated from Bircham, but does show a few photos of the D.3, apparently at Bircham. The Birtles Air International article states that "a handful" were converted by FR at Bircham. Shall we change to what we can verify?Nigel Ish (talk) 16:33, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Birtles should likely be used as the most reliable source, IMHO. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 16:35, 24 October 2010 (UTC).

Infobox image

Since there is a bit of a "flap" about the image, how about the image on right? thumb FWiW Bzuk (talk) 12:52, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

I like it, perhaps a bit too much sky, but it is in service colours, and it shows the distinctive boom tail. GraemeLeggett (talk) 13:11, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Same as GraemeLeggett. I'm changing it now. Brutal Deluxe (talk) 15:12, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Sorry guys I have removed it, cant replace a free image with a non-free image. MilborneOne (talk) 15:22, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Found a (hopefully appropriate) photo and added it to the infobox, moving the Red Bull logo one down to the Survivors section.Nigel Ish (talk) 17:55, 25 October 2010 (UTC)