User talk:Beetstra

Welcome to my talk page. Please leave me a note by starting a new subject here and please don't forget to sign your post You may want to have a look at the subjects in the header of this talkpage before starting a new subject. The question you may have may already have been answered there Dirk Beetstra

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I am the main operator of User:COIBot. If you feel that your name is wrongly on the COI reports list because of an unfortunate overlap between your username and a certain link or text, please ask for whitelisting by starting a new subject on my talkpage. For a better answer please include some specific 'diffs' of your edits (you can copy the link from the report page). If you want a quicker response, make your case at WT:WPSPAM or WP:COIN. COIBot - Talk to COIBot - listings - Link reports - User reports - Page reports

Responding I will respond to talk messages where they started, trying to keep discussions in one place (you may want to watch this page for some time after adding a question). Otherwise I will clearly state where the discussion will be moved/copied to. Though, with the large number of pages I am watching, it may be wise to contact me here as well if you need a swift response. If I forget to answer, poke me. I preserve the right not to answer to non-civil remarks, or subjects which are covered in this talk-header. ON EXTERNAL LINK REMOVAL There are several discussions about my link removal here, and in my archives. If you want to contact me about my view of this policy, please read and understand WP:NOT, WP:EL, WP:SPAM and WP:A, and read the discussions on my talkpage or in my archives first. My view in a nutshell: External links are not meant to tunnel people away from the wikipedia. Hence, I will remove external links on pages where I think they do not add to the page (per WP:NOT#REPOSITORY and WP:EL), or when they are added in a way that wikipedia defines as spam (understand that wikipedia defines spam as: '... wide-scale external link spamming ...', even if the link is appropriate; also read this). This may mean that I remove links, while similar links are already there or which are there already for a long time. Still, the question is not whether your link should be there, the question may be whether those other links should be there (again, see the wording of the policies and guidelines). Please consider the alternatives before re-adding the link: If the link contains information, use the information to add content to the article, and use the link as a reference (content is not 'see here for more information'). Add an appropriate linkfarm like {{dmoz}} (you can consider to remove other links covered in the dmoz). Incorporate the information into one of the sister projects. Add the link to other mediawiki projects aimed at advertiseing (see e.g. this) If the linkspam of a certain link perseveres, I will not hesitate to report it to the wikiproject spam for blacklisting (even if the link would be appropriate for wikipedia). It may be wise to consider the alternatives before things get to that point. The answer in a nutshell Please consider if the link you want to add complies with the policies and guidelines. If you have other questions, or still have questions on my view of the external link policy, disagree with me, or think I made a mistake in removing a link you added, please poke me by starting a new subject on my talk-page. If you absolutely want an answer, you can try to poke the people at WT:EL or WT:WPSPAM on your specific case. Also, regarding link, I can be contacted on IRC, channel [1]. Reliable sources I convert inline URL's into references and convert referencing styles to a consistent format. My preferred style is the style provided by cite.php (<ref> and <references/>). When other mechanisms are mainly (but not consistently) used (e.g. {{ref}}/{{note}}/{{cite}}-templates) I will assess whether referencing would benefit from the cite.php-style. Feel free to revert these edits when I am wrong. Converting inline URLs in references may result in data being retrieved from unreliable sources. In these cases, the link may have been removed, and replaced by a {{cn}}. If you feel that the page should be used as a reference (complying with wp:rs!!), please discuss that on the talkpage of the page, or poke me by starting a new subject on my talk-page Note: I am working with some other developers on mediawiki to expand the possibilities of cite.php, our attempts can be followed here and here. If you like these features and want them enabled, please vote for these bugs. Stub/Importance/Notability/Expand/Expert I am in general against deletion, except when the page really gives misinformation, is clear spam or copyvio. Otherwise, these pages may need to be expanded or rewritten. For very short articles there are the different {{stub}} marks, which clearly state that the article is to be expanded. For articles that do not state why they are notable, I will add either {{importance}} or {{notability}}. In my view there is a distinct difference between these two templates, while articles carrying one of these templates may not be notable, the first template does say the article is probably notable enough, but the contents does not state that (yet). The latter provides a clear concern that the article is not notable, and should probably be {{prod}}ed or {{AfD}}ed. Removing importance-tags does not take away the backlog, it only hides from attention, deleting pages does not make the database smaller. If you contest the notability/importance of an article, please consider adding an {{expert-subject}} tag, or raise the subject on an appropriate wikiproject. Remember, there are many, many pages on the wikipedia, many need attention, so maybe we have to live with a backlog. Having said this, I generally delete the {{expand}}-template on sight. The template is in most cases superfluous, expansion is intrinsic to the wikipedia (for stubs, expansion is already mentioned in that template).

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ok Mazsa (talk) 14:54, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

User talk:62.96.234.7

I followed your advice and the IP no longer seems to be active on any other wikis. Do you think we can unblock it? It's showing up in a database report for unusually long blocks. Thanks, –xeno^talk 15:31, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Yep, you're right. The abuse was severe, continuous, and unstoppable at that time, but .. it has been solved. I've unblocked the IP, the library will also have other users who may want to contribute. --Dirk Beetstra ^{T C} 15:58, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

I see you unblocked 86.83.155.44 .. you are aware that that IP is blocked in I don't know how many wikis? --Dirk Beetstra ^{T C} 16:08, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Like the user above it seems they haven't been active since 2010 Jan ? I was just doing some cleanups on indef and unusually long IP blocks per WP:IPBLENGTH. No issue to you reblocking if you think this IP is still a problem. (Shouldn't this be handled at m:Global blocking?) –xeno^talk 16:34, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Lets see. The second IP tried to create an account and edit that way, but got quickly blocked indef on that as well. I think they still have the same IP though, otherwise we would see them editing with a new IP. The other one is one I forgot, and looking back, blocking it for that long is/was useless (seen the plethora of IPs they had available; but well .. WP:RBI sometimes pushes you over the edge and they did manage to re-use some IPs quite often (using the same public computer)). Maybe it should have been, shortly, globally blocked, but I don't know if that existed by then, or if I was aware that that would help. This was quicker, as I could hit the block-button myself.

Thanks anyway for reviewing, though maybe you could, for the latter, have warned the admins that blocked the editor that you lifted the block completely .. if it is blocked for that long there are serious problems, which are not met by just unblocking and waiting until involved admins see the abuse come back ... --Dirk Beetstra ^{T C} 08:41, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Deletion of e-TimeTracker page

Hi,

I don't understand why you just deleted the content of this page. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=E-TimeTracker&action=edit&redlink=1

Could you please explain it to me or reactivate it ? Thank you. Benoît BEGUIN. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Benoit.beguin (talk • contribs) 11:06, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Plain advertising. Please rewrite a non-advertising version in your userspace (User:Benoit.beguin/e-TimeTracker), thanks. --Dirk Beetstra ^{T C} 11:07, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

www.songfacts.com

Hi, I seem to remember that COIBot is able to work out who added links to a certain site on the project. Could you check who has added links to www.songfacts.com per this discussion? Is there anyway to do this without asking you or going on IRC? Thanks Smartse (talk) 14:01, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

• songfacts.com: Linksearch en (insource) - meta - de - fr - simple - wikt:en - wikt:fr • Spamcheck • MER-C X-wiki • gs • Reports: Links on en - COIBot - COIBot-Local • Discussions: tracked - advanced - RSN • COIBot-Link, Local, & XWiki Reports - Wikipedia: en - fr - de • Google: search • meta • Domain: domaintools • AboutUs.com

There is another discussion with more info on the blacklist: MediaWiki_talk:Spam-blacklist#Songfacts.com, the biggest offenders are there. I requested a new report from COIBot (see Wikipedia:WikiProject Spam/LinkReports/songfacts.com), but there are 3118 additions, not sure if COIBot is willing to save that many records. I hope this helps, but if you need a full dump of all additions, then I can get that for you (but it is more work, and not nicely formatted then). --Dirk Beetstra ^{T C} 14:13, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing me to the blacklist discussion, that looks like the best place to continue discussion. I don't think there is much need for the full list of contributors to be honest, it looks more like a reliable sourcing issue than outright spamming to me anyway. Smartse (talk) 14:34, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

No, over 600 links by one editor (a pure SPA) is spamming (whether it is someone involved in the organisation, or a regular contributor linking mainly to his own posts). A good faith bad edit is still a bad edit, and the editor was warned before. I think I stand with my conclusion. Rigorous cleanup, and if spamming continues (either by the same, or by other editors) .. then I am considering blacklisting. --Dirk Beetstra ^{T C} 14:39, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

I agree it needs cleaning up, I just think it was probably done in good faith. I tend to consider spam as being bad faith. It doesn't matter as the result is the same. Hopefully somebody from WP:SONG might help out. Smartse (talk) 14:57, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

I don't really exclude that it was done in good faith (though the IP was warned early on ..), but it is stretching it. It was however also used by regulars (though not on this massive scale) .. so that makes me tend towards waiting. The IP is now for sure aware that this was not the way forward. --Dirk Beetstra ^{T C} 15:01, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Removal of "Mohanad Alwadiya page"

Dear Beetstra,

i have created a page called "Mohanad Alwadiya" this page is under the living people category.

i have created it because i had my training with Mr. Mohanad and he was such an influential figure in my life. he is a reliable source of information to the media and he is always searched by them. so i thought having his page, approved by him, on wikipedia would be a good reference to all the people who want to know about him.

can you please tell me why was the page considered promotional?

thank you

Abhy.harbor (talk) 14:16, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

The language: "is renowned throughout the industry for his professionalism and for producing outstanding results that go above and beyond clients’ expectations"; it was tagged for deletion as spam by someone else, but the general tone is like that. Moreover, the article was totally unreferenced. You might want to read WP:BLP and WP:SPAM to learn more about promotional pages and the impact of biographies. I hope this explains. --Dirk Beetstra ^{T C} 14:17, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Question

Hello

I would like to ask your opinion about the format that should be used for the localities from Romania with an important Hungarian population

From the Romanian Constitution: http://www.cdep.ro/pls/dic/site.page?den=act2_2&par1=1#t1c0s0a13 "In Romania, the official language is Romanian". Also, According to Local Public Administration Bill (promulgated in 2001): "Where over 20 of the population is of an ethnic minority, all documents of a legal character will be published in the ethnic minorities' mother tongue.".

My opinion is that according to wiki rules Hungarian names should be listed before for example German names, but still in parantheses, in Italics: Romanian_Name (Hungarian: Hungarian_Name, German: German_Name)

We just want to respect the standard naming policy WP:PLACE, Foreign language names and first sentence usage rule

User:Rokarudi, instead of focusing on the discussion, falsely accuses the editors who don't support his POV that are sockpuppets of User:Bonaparte

Can you please express your opinion here? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Hungarian_names_of_Romanian_places

Thanks in advance for your answer and sorry if it wasn't a good idea to post this message here (Umumu (talk) 16:37, 24 March 2010 (UTC))

I saw the thread. I think that you might want to put an RfC on the situation, see what established, not involved editors think, and go with that consensus. It is for sure not worth edit warring about. I hope this helps. --Dirk Beetstra ^{T C} 09:58, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Tb

New message at mw:Extension_talk:Chemistry#Full_equation ManishEarth^{Talk • Stalk} 04:52, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

BJCP

Hi there. I wanted to let you know I disabled filter 232 because it was destroying filter performance. At the time I disabled it, it was taking over 6ms and 200 conditions on average to run and caused a spike to over 2% of edits not being checked by the edit filter (letting some particularly problematic, i.e., oversight-worthy edits through). With the filter disabled, we're down at 0.02% of edits not being checked. I'd like to optimize the filter so we can get it in, but I don't know enough details about what it's trying to target. Do you have any information? Alternatively maybe you can just take a second look at it yourself to try to help it out. Just an FYI: I think the reason the performance is so poor is because of the "or" operations inside of it. The EF doesn't handle these very gracefully and they tend to destroy the otherwise natural short-circuit logic. If there's a way to eliminate them, that would be best. Thanks! --Shirik (Questions or Comments?) 19:12, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the help, I did not notice that. I had to tighten the filter yesterday, as it gave false positives.

The problem is quite massive socking as part of a very long term abuse, now in another style of Joe Jobbing. Current style is to spam the link of the 'enemy' (another wikipedia user of which this is not a sock ..), but aggressive removals or other annoyances are known. See User:Eurobeerguide for examples (though not all socks are identified and found ..). --Dirk Beetstra ^{T C} 08:39, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

My Links

You complained about my link to Edward Lane on the Historical Society of Montgomery County Illinois. You said the link looked "spammy". Here on Wikipedia there is 1 short paragraph about Edward Lane. On the Historical Society web site they have 26 copyrighted pages of information on Edward Lane. His marriage certificate, his death certificate, his burial record, a photo of his burial crypt, complete information on his wife, both children, his mother in law, his biography, all his census records, all his families census records, a photo of his home, the history of his home, information on his law office partners and his photo.

The Historical Society of Montgomery County is a nonprofit organization, their web site is free and there is no advertising.

Why did I post the links? Our family has lived here since 1835 and I'm very familiar with the people and places in Montgomery County Illinois.

Thanks for your two warnings and I won't post anymore links to what I consider useful information and you consider spam.

(AceOxygen (talk) 14:49, 30 March 2010 (UTC))