Talk:Alexandrov Ensemble

Names

Red Army Chorus was, by some degree, the standard English name used by western media.

Also referred to in the past 20 years as the Red Army Chorus & Band and as a Song and Dance Ensemble.

My oldest set of Red Army records list them as the Choir of the Red Army of the U.S.S.R.--tufkaa 21:16, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

The current official name of the ensemble is The Academic Alexandrov Song and Dance Ensemble of the Russian Army (Академического ансамбля песни и пляски Российской Армии им. А.В. Александрова).

Should we change the name?--tufkaa 15:21, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Hey where did you copy the "name" from? Why the genitive??? "Академического ансамбля" means kind of: "the academic ensemble's..." or "...of the academic ensemble"

by the way the official name is: Дважды краснознаменный академический ансамбль песни и пляски Российской Армии имени Александра Васильевича Александрова (two times red bannered academic song and dance ensemble of the Russian Army named after Alexander Vassil'evich Alexandrov)

the link on youtube is a bad one! that's kind of copy called "red star red army chorus" or something like that... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.53.208.165 (talk) 18:40, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

References

A lot of my information came from the back of old records. Is there a way to reference this?--tufkaa 21:16, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Instruments

Contrary to the information given by Analekta, which released a couple of live recordings taken in Canada in 1987 and 1989, the orchestra does not use Russian basson or Russian horn; the orchestra members use standard western counterpars.

• Thanks for the clarification! You're right, that was the only place I found such information.--tufkaa 16:35, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Soloists

I have added details of the soloist Evgeny Belyaev, but removed links to his performances on YouTube, as it appears that previous links made to YouTube have resulted in removal of videos there, on the grounds of insecurity about copyright. However if you search on YouTube for his name in Russian (Евгений Беляев) you will find his performances. (I have just noticed that this contribution has been labelled 1st April, but this is not meant to be a joke). Storye book (talk) 07:14, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Chorus

According to section 2.1:

The choir, like other male choirs, consists of three vocal sections of tenor, baritone, and bass.

Most "other male choirs" (Western ones, that is) are divided into two tenor parts and two bass parts, so this is somewhat misleading. However, I won't change it since I have no idea how this choir in particular tends to do things. EldKatt (Talk) 08:54, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Sex Bomb

Maybe it's just me, but I feel that it's rather notable that in The Triple M Musical Challenge, the Red Army Choir covered Tom Jones's "Sex Bomb". I'm not sure if 'something else on Wikipedia' counts as verification, but I've also listened to the song and it's pretty sex. -- 00:09, 10 July 2008

Soloists

I am currently working on the Soloists section; this is a laborious job as almost all sources have to be translated. Administrators please note that I am working on getting inline references for this - please kindly be patient on this one. Also there is a problem with getting accurate translations (from Russian to English) of song titles. Can anyone assist with this? Thanks. --Storye book (talk) 22:04, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Basses and Baritones in Soloists section

Please note that the distinction between bass and baritone can be subjective at the best of times: see the Discussion page for Bass (voice type). When you've been listening to these Russian bass soloists all day, you start feeling that any bass who isn't a subterranean Russian basso profundo must be a bass-baritone. I suspect that most of the soloists whom I've designated "baritone" could sing most European non-profundo bass parts. I'm hoping that someone will kindly check this over objectively. --Storye book (talk) 07:02, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Expansion of Alexandrov Ensemble article

The original article is still there: I have now considerably expanded the article, while attempting to treat the original article with respect: it's all still in there, somewhere.
No data yet on choir composition: Having trawled through all the major sources for the Ensemble on the internet, I have found no evidence either way for the above quotation (See "Chorus" above) regarding the inclusion of baritone parts in the choir. Therefore I have left the statement unedited.
New pages for B & A Alexandrov? Although the sections on Alexander Alexandrov and on Boris Alexandrov are now large enough to warrant their own pages, I have not given them their own pages. This is because it would seem that their careers are indivisible from the the Ensemble. However it may be that their own pages might be justified at some point.

• Update: Sorry I've just noticed there is a page for Alexander Vasilyevich Alexandrov and I've provided int. links. --Storye book (talk) 23:39, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
• Update (2) . . . and I've now found on the Alexandrov page a link to a non-existent page for Boris Alexandrov, which I corrected to Boris Alexandrovich Alexandrov, and gave it a divert-link to the Alexandrov Ensemble page. So for your information it's there if anyone wants to expand it. --Storye book (talk) 23:59, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Russian-language song titles: I have realised to my dismay that if others are to be able to re-translate the song-titles correctly, then I must provide a Russian song-title next to every song. This will be a long job, and as I don't speak Russian or read Cyrillic, any assistance would be appreciated.
Upgrading this article: Regarding the tags at the top of this page - I think that this article now needs to be reviewed and possibly re-graded. I have followed the links in the tags and looked at the relevant pages, but am not experienced enough to deal with that side of things. Can anyone help with this? Thanks. --Storye book (talk) 09:22, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Two subsidiary pages added

I have added two subsidiary pages: Alexandrov Ensemble soloists and Alexandrov Ensemble discography. This is because these sections were becoming too large, making the contents list unwieldy, and making it difficult to scroll from one section to another if you found yourself too far from the contents list. I hope that all is well now, but if there's any problem, please kindly post it here. Thanks. --Storye book (talk) 21:34, 18 April 2009 (UTC)