Talk:Criticism of Wikipedia

Note: This is the Talk page for the Wikipedia article on external criticisms of Wikipedia. Users interested in discussing their own problems with the project should go to the Village Pump where there are specific sections for dealing with various types of issue.

For critical takes on Wikipedia covered by Wikipedia itself, see Wikipedia:External peer review/Nature December 2005 (40 science articles) and Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2005-10-31/Guardian rates articles (7 articles of general interest).

Carolyn Doran and "hive mind"

Can someone think of a good addition to the "hive mind" section that uses Wikipedia's response to the Carolyn Doran article? Most of the stuff I add to articles seems to get reverted, so I'm not even going to try. --Fandyllic (talk) 11:06 AM PST 6 Jan 2008

List of wiki's attempting to address criticisms

• Citizendium
• Deletionpedia
• Enciclopedia Libre Universal en Español
• Nupedia
• Scholarpedia
• Veropedia
• Wikiweise
• WikiZnanie

I think this could eventually end up being its own page, but right now, i think stating acknowledging that other iterations of online encyclopedias with different rules are out there trying to remedy some of the criticisms out there.

-dont forget conservapedia (did I spell that right?)....regardless, its a site coutnering the confirmed systemic socialist-leaning bias of wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.18.97.239 (talk) 21:00, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia Lack Of Grammar In Labels

The common label which begins with "This article does not cite any references or sources. ..." , should instead, state: "This article does not cite any references nor sources. ...."

I'd need to see a source for this statement. I believe nor is used only with neither; for example, This article cites neither references nor sources. Please correct me if I am wrong, and point me to a good grammar source that shows it. Yours sincerely, GeorgeLouis (talk) 02:48, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Hello, "nor" is used to indicate 'an additional negative', and the popular teaching rhyme "either or, neither nor" is used to show this, but does not mean that the word 'nor' should only be used with 'neither'. I will search for a good (and authoritative) source online to show this. Thanks for your input. Callmeace2001 (talk) 03:44, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

I don't know who started this topic, but this is not the place to do it (we are not discussing an improvement to the article in question). But, seeing as it has been started... 'or' is acceptable when linking a pair of words, be they adjectives, nouns or (I think) verbs (this article: is not accurate or reliable/does not cite references or sources/does not cite or provide). [1] Hadrian89 (talk) 04:40, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

You are correct, so I've moved the discussion to Wikipedia_talk:Template_messages/Cleanup#Nor_._._. in case anybody wants to belabor the issue over there. Your friend, GeorgeLouis (talk) 05:39, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Use of newest news concerning fake death quote.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/05/11/international/i090708D96.DTL&tsp=1 Someone with more experience can edit this in for some section with the misinformation section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.43.60.155 (talk) 20:06, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

another criticism not mentioned

In my opinion, and in that of many others, a large reason for Wikipedia's failure to be a source of credible information is its reliance on newspapers as 'credible sources'. It is now well known that newspapers dervie a lot of information from the blogosphere. In fact, a newspaper could get false information from wikipedia, and then wikipedia could then "use" the newspaper as a "credible source" perpetuating a falsehood. Sources such as the New York Times should be permanently banned from ever being cited as a basis for making information "credible". Furthermore, newspapers are inherently biased, and any wiki article that substantiates itself with a newspaper, therefore, is biased as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.18.97.239 (talk) 20:58, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

In my opinion, and in that of many others, everything you said is false. So I guess we're tied until you find a source. Hadrian89 (talk) 23:24, 25 May 2009 (UTC) PS You can't use any newspaper, or you disprove your own point... H

Unsigned is just plain wrong. I have worked at many newspapers, large and small, and all reporters and editors strive for accuracy, and if any are misled by sources, then the Corrections column goes into action. Unsigned should take a journalism course or two before making such a silly statement. A friend to all (even to the benighted Unsigned), GeorgeLouis (talk) 00:32, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

For more from the same IP number, read http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Barack_Obama&oldid=275948114#Ban_My_IP_You_Socialist_Biased_Muther_Fuckers Cheers! GeorgeLouis (talk) 00:39, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

User Name Censorship

If you have a problem with citing Wikipedia as a source for itself, or wish to hide it's own censorship of its user names allowed, please talk here before making a third revert in 24 hours. --Green021176 (talk)