Talk:Altruism (ethics)

I'm surprised the page only shows Comte as a defender of altruism. I suppose multiple religions have put it forth, Jesus being a good example. How come those are not mentionned as defenders of altruism ?

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It looks like someone deleted the criticisms; I'm almost positive there were criticisms here. Can anyone restore them?

Sure thing. Someone deleted them. Area of trust 13:57, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

It was in the history and I restored it. Area of trust 13:59, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Someone keeps deleting it. Here it is below in case someone delets it again:

Criticism of the doctrine

Friedrich Nietzsche held that the idea that it is virtuous to treat others more important than oneself is degrading and demeaning to the self. He also believed in the idea that others have a higher value than oneself hinders the individual's pursuit of self-development, excellence, and creativity. ^[1] For Nietzsche altruistic love was fabricated by the weak for the weak. It masks self-poisoning resentment about individual and collective powerlessness. Critics like Roderick Hindery respond that Nietzsche's own assumptions about domination by self-interest and the "will to power" are gratuitous and ideological.

David Kelley, discussing the views of Ayn Rand (who was inspired by Nietzsche on this topic), holds that "there is no rational ground for asserting that sacrificing yourself in order to serve others is morally superior to pursuing your own (long-term, rational) self-interest. Altruism ultimately depends on non-rational 'rationales,' on mysticism in some form..." Furthermore, he holds that there is a danger of the state enforcing that moral ideal: "If self-sacrifice is an ideal - if service to others is the highest, most honorable course of action - why not force people to act accordingly?" He believes this can ultimately result in the state forcing everyone into a collectivist political system. ^[2] Rand does not believe that altruistic acts are themselves evil; rather, she believes that a doctrine that regards self-sacrifice to be virtuous is wrong. She sees the promotion and acceptance of the ethical doctrine as being counter to the best interests of the individual and degrading to the pursuit of self-interest.

Egoism as irrational

The nature of egoism is not rational it comes from the instincts or other programmed behaviors, you can argument the egoism but the impulse that make you reason in that form is irrational and is primitive, comes from self supervivency, although some forms of altruism are irrational and instinctual, like protecting your son etc. politically an egoist society is weak because one depends on other, if x is not ok and the y depends of x for some sevice, if y does not help x then y are not ok. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mashaj (talk • contribs) 19:51, 15 December 2007 (UTC)