User talk:Gavin.collins/Archive 3

Barnstar

		The AntiCruft Barnstar
		Thanks for fighting cruft!! Pilotbob 13:42, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Diamond Lake

Hey Gavin, I saw the shout-out to fancruft.net on the Diamond Lake AFD. There's a lot of clean that I'm trying to do over at that domain so I haven't been around wikipedia as regularly as I was. I was a hard spot to be in, being a fancruft lover but also a believer that it shouldn't all be on wikipedia. I'm going to pop back in from time to time, but I appreciate the transwiki plug. We're always glad to add more cruft over there.--Torchwood Who? 20:41, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Relist request

permalink to talk page version containing your message

Looking at the time stamp on your message to me vs. the time stamp of the closing of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/West Marine Ltd. (Peel Engineering), it looks like you asked me to re-list about 10 hours before it was finally closed as "merge and redirect". By re-listing, did you mean repost on the present day's new AFDs or take to DRV or repost a notice to a WikiProject or take back to AFD as a 2nd nomination or some other alternative? I don't think I would have done any of these things, but I'm interested in what your concern was when you asked me to take action. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 23:51, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

I requested repost on the present day's new AFDs, as I was not sure consensus had been reached, but I think my concern was trivial in retrospect. Sorry to bother you.--Gavin Collins 02:36, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Re: Lyran Star Empire

Gavin, I wasn't the one who reverted it to the pre AfD format and had nothing to do with that happening. That said, I am going back to recreate redirect that was there.--Donovan Ravenhull 11:23, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Image:Lg greyhawk arch.jpg

Once again, you're misusing template tags. That tag is for images which have no fair use rationale. Not having specific enough fair use rationale is not intended to be handled with nearly so large a stick. Please, stop this campaign of yours to remove Greyhawk-related content at all costs. I'm not really involved with Wikipedia very much anymore, and frivolous deletionism like this is one of the primary reasons. Go contribute something. -Harmil 05:17, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

A proper fair use rationale should be provided; half measures won't address these concerns. Remember, there are now lots of bots deleting images for precisely this reason; ignore these concerns at your peril. --Gavin Collins 13:39, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

I think you just missed what I said. There *is* a fair use rationale. It could be improved. That's not sufficient grounds on which to use the template that says there's no fair use rationale. You're misusing a template for a purpose to which it's not suited. Find an administrative template that says "the fair use rational for this image needs to be more specific." That's fine. Just tag images appropriately. -Harmil 16:35, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

In Universe

Your use of the {{in universe}} template continues to elude me. You're slapping this template on many articles which clearly call out their topic as a work of fiction and introduce only the barest details of plot required for encyclopedic context. Please, stop misusing this template. -Harmil 05:35, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

And as a contrary example, Vangerdahast is an article deeply in need of the {{in universe}} tag. -Harmil 05:51, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Over-use of templates

In a number of cases, you're adding templates for notability and sources in articles which make claims to notability, but do not provide sources. If your concern is with sources, then use the various sources-related templates, but you don't need to build a tower of administrative templates on an article. -Harmil 06:34, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

I disagree with you: notability, lack of sources are sperate issues. Please don't remove the templates unless you have addressed these concerns, otherwise I will assume you are ignoring the problem. --Gavin Collins 13:36, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

You just agreed with me... they are, in fact separate issues. Please stop using notability templates to say, "there's no sources for the claim to notability." That's not what the tag is for. The goal is to create a well-sourced encyclopedia, right? To that end, add the most focused tags that clarify what needs to be done. In this case, that's sourcing. -Harmil 16:32, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

I still disagree with you; they require seperate templates, but they don't say the same thing, hence the need for two tags. For example, a subject can be notable, and not have secondary sources, in which case the importance template is relevant; vice versa, trivia or in universe plot summaries can have extensive secondary sources, but is not notable. --Gavin Collins 17:20, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

RE: AfDs of Warcraft articles

Thanks for the support. I knew what would end up happening when I nominate these articles with gamers defending their articles. I even got accused for being a sockpuppeteer of two accounts that are older than mine.

I'll also be sure to consider deletion sorting if I have time for them. Seeing as how I usually end up having a huge amount of articles to nominate, I usually hardly even have time to place the articles in the day list, letting the bot taking care of that. I'll probably have to take it out of my user page though, as I'm not sure if that's the correct place to tell me about it lol. IAmSasori 15:01, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

How exciting to be accused of something as devious as being a sock puppeteer! My opponents only accusse me of petty things like being ignorant, or being a dick. Perhaps they will accuse you of being a Yakuza next. --Gavin Collins 09:34, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

AFD

I don't know why you automatically assume that two character lists are game guides, nor does it seem you actually read the article that is up for AFD. It appears to me that you simply skim over the lead paragraph and see if there are references. Underground Hades Empire Infershia has references and it is not a game guide as you've linked to at that AFD and at Power Animal (Gaoranger).—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 21:50, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

My mistake. I thought that all the numbers after the characters (48) (22) etc were something to do with game points. Having re-read the article, I now beleive the numbers are related to the colouring on the characters jump suits. However, the points I rasised about WP:NOT still apply: I should have quoted WP:NOT#PLOT instead of WP:NOT#GUIDE. The article still has problems with lack of secondary sources and real-world notability. I hope this clarifies the issue. --Gavin Collins 09:28, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

RE: Removal of Templates

I would be most grateful if you would rot in hell.