User talk:Skatewalk

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It is abundantly clear this account is a sockpuppet of banned user Serenesoulnyc (see Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/Serenesoulnyc). It has been indefinitely blocked. Neil ム 10:28, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Why I am blocked?

• I am not related User: Serenesoulnyc sockpuppet in anyway, but there is no point of arguing with a ban-happy admin!
• My IP address only belongs to me, I was blocked because Zerida claims my IP came from the same area another Arab user was blocked.
• (Zerida blocked 20+ members using the same Serenesoulnyc excuse! simply because they corrected her fabricated articles!).
• I hope Wikipedia has an impartial admin to examine Zerida false claims!

The Message?

Any Arab wikipedia-user who tries to correct a biased Anti-Arab article will not be tolerated! And he will be labeled as a sockpuppet.--Skatewalk 03:26, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

• This is ridiculous, how can a personal skirmish between the two turn into Skatewalk being "indefinitely blocked"? There's no valid evidence for him being a "sock puppet". Is it really that hard to believe that two Arabs from within the same IP range could have the same urge to remove anti-Arab bias from Arab related pages? Heck, I could be his sock puppet too!Funkynusayri 05:19, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Compare this punishment to that of admitted user of sockpuppets user:Isarig. I got banned for 45 days for advising Isarig that it was not nice to call Juan Cole a "Jew Baiter." That if Wikipedia didn't take appropriate action I would contact Juan, who is a friend of mine. this was stretched and construed beyond imagination as "making a legal threat." That's why I don't archive my user page. I want the world to see what can go on in wikipedia. please re-instate Skatewalk or at least have a calibrated punishment. What have been his infractions as Skatewalk? He appears to have been an excellent editor. Given the tremendous alleged bias in the Wiki, banning Arab editors just reinforces it.Godspeed John Glenn! Will 13:02, 19 September 2007 (UTC) Addendum. I may have misspoke about Isarig admitting being a socket. His userpage shows no warnings and no punishment. but a google search shows confirmation for two puppets.ArchiveGodspeed John Glenn! Will 13:23, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Did you suspect Skatewalk to be a Sockpuppet because of his IP?, please keep in mind, if you use an internet cafe, every single pc are a part of a one network all share the same IP. It's nonsense to claim that this user is a sockpuppet using this source. Juju78 20:09, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Juju78, If it was the same IP, then it will make some sense, its not even the same IP address. He only claim is that:

• My IP address is similar (but not the same ip-address!). to only one of the 20+ users-suspected sockpuppets that Zerida listed! all of them are Arabs/mideasterners? from the NYC area, most the IPs are actually from Europe and the Mideast, I don't now how this is allowed in Wikipedia?
• Zerida beahvior evidence is that I disagreed with her/him!, but the truth is most mideasterners will disagree with Zerida outlandish claims he tries to post as facts i Wikipedia. (example Egyptian Arabic as a language!). So everybody who will disagree with Zerida will get listed as a sockpuppet!

When the truth is that:

• Egyegy,
• Hamada2[1] both resemble Zerida in everyway you think off and instead I am the user who gets accused of sockpuppetry! Is this normal?--Skatewalk 21:22, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

It doesn't appear user:neil is listening to us here. there is a process to ask for a review by another admin. If Skatewalk was really a proficient puppeteer, he wouldn't be posting here either. He would have got another IP and would have been back in circulation. Obviously, he's not. Oh that other user with two sockpuppets was blocked for a week. Or so I"ve read from wikireview.Godspeed John Glenn! Will 20:30, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Will, but the problem is that I can't post anywhere, except for this page, so I really can't ask for a review by another admin. The Arab wiki-project has one Admin and he was involved in a car accident one day before I was banned, talk about some coincidence!--Skatewalk 22:12, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Well Skatewalk, I'm going to be nice. Write {{unblock|reason}} and hope for the best. — EliasAlucard|Talk 00:52 21 Sept, 2007 (UTC)

There you go Skate. Make a persuasive case. Advice- don't talk about other editor's faults, don't whine, be positive, talk up your own contributions, and lack of wrongdoing. Good Luck.Godspeed John Glenn! Will 00:21, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Don't worry, he'll be back with another account. — EliasAlucard|Talk 17:24 21 Sept, 2007 (UTC)

Ohh the politics of Mideast Xtianity. At least there are still two villages on the back side of the Anti-Lebanon mountains in Syria that still speak Aramaic, or is it Syriac or Assyrian? They are all cognate languages anyway. Godspeed John Glenn! Will 19:07, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Dude, what the heck are you talking about? — EliasAlucard|Talk 16:23 22 Sept, 2007 (UTC)

I only have one account only, never was/never will be a sock!

• I am not going to do the unblock thing, because I rather have Neil ム reconsider his decision and look into this by himself.
• The IP that I used was never used by any Wikipedian before me
• The username I used was never used by any Wikipedian before me
• The only similarties that I have with these 20+ accounts is disagreement with Zerida a user reputed for pushing an Anti-Arab agenda, so why are we surprised to see 22 Wikipedians out of 340 million Arabs disagreeing with her! and only one member of those 22 is from my proximity -but not my IP address, could be anybody in my 30million + hometown!- (an Arab disapora town in the USA!), is that a good enough reason to block me?
• I will not come back in any new account, because I never was and will never be into socking! Why would I?! If wikipedia clearly says: That "they don't take kind of my people" then I will understand and go elsewhere. I am very sure this is an innocent mistake that will be fixed soon.
• I edited in Wikipedia with one agenda in my mind (improving articles), look at my 1600+ edits although they are modest in wiki standards, you will find atleast 50% of them adding new referenced data into the Wikipedia. I liked wikipedia because I thought it was pure and agenda free, I hope I was right!--Skatewalk 18:37, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Unblock

Checkuser confirms you are the same person. Nice try. Neil ム 20:58, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

• Neil, why the vilification? I am not aware of your status in Wikipedia, but I am assuming you are among the wise elites who run the website. Can we be a bit patient and try to look at this case again without takig it personal, read the few lines below and try to make sense of them.
• The IP User_talk:Zerida listed is my (IP), that showed up because I edited by mistake without signning in (not more than 5 edits out of 1650+ edits)
• My username has one IP address only. Am I missing something?
• The IP that I used was never used by any Wikipedian before me
• The username I used was never used by any Wikipedian before me
• Can you please Show me what is the Chesckuser confirming?

African Americans, Italians, Nordics share many typing/personality characteristics. So maybe you are convinced that I am a sock just because I sound like the rest of the Arabs/mideasterners rounded up in the /Serenesoulnyc/ sock article?

• Does typing in an Arabic tone and disagreeing with (Self-Identified Anti-Arab Wikipedians) such as Zerida, makes me a sock?--Skatewalk 21:44, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Skatewalk, Neil wouldn't have a dog in the fight, his concern is IP addresses and the tool he uses. that's where your argument should be directed. All the other stuff just distracts. Godspeed John Glenn! Will 22:49, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Somebody explain 1)how this checkuser confirms in this day of wireless and routers and universities how a positive ID is made that a person is evading a 3RR block and 2) how some people can get blocked for a week for having multiple sock puppets and some given the death penalty. What has he been doing?Godspeed John Glenn! Will 22:54, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Yeah Will, but I am not sure what Neil is confirming?, he said (the tools confirms that I am a sock!) My IP Address and username has neer been used by anybody else. The only connection Zerida is making is behavior connection. (disagreement with Zerida posts), Zerida claims that one of the 22 Serensoulnyc IPs are from my range (I am assuming that means my town, due to the proximity in the IP numbers). All I can say I have to wait till some patient admin takes a look at this.--Skatewalk 02:34, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

@Skate. Are you in NYC?Godspeed John Glenn! Will 05:57, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

New York metropolitan area. I was overseas before August 2007 for almost 2 years! I have official paper work and references to prove it. I hope we don't reach that level, but I am willing to show Wikipedia everything they need, I might not be the type of person some Wikipedians like, but I want to know where Wikipedia (proper) stand from this, because:

• There is NO real reason to blocking me besides, disagreeing with Zerida!
• Is disagreeing with Zerida against Wikipedia policy?
• does disagreeing with Zerida qualify any member who has a proximate IP to the 23 accounts she listed, a look at the accounts show them stretching from (NYC, Dearborn-Michigan, France, Oman!), she claims all are the same person!, the subject they disagreed with her about was Coptic issues! so all these members simply are Egyptians living among Arab disapora? and some of them obviously asked an Arab WIkipedian for help to edit war the article, which is wrong, but why do I have to be linked to that whole issue!
• I noticed Zerida Zealous hate for Arabs [2], first in the Arab article!, she simply posted

[the Arabs] as used by Egyptians refers mainly to the inhabitants of the Gulf states who are on the whole looked upon with some disdain.

• Now is this what Wikipedia wants in its articles?! If so, please make it clear. So me and Arab Wikipedians can go else where! and we leave all the Arab related articles to creative users such as Zerida--Skatewalk 20:14, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

So what are you insinuating, Skatewalk? That you got banned because you're an Arab? Are you implying that Wikipedia is racist? — EliasAlucard|Talk 00:15 23 Sept, 2007 (UTC)

Elias, that is a silly generalization. Why would I say that?

• What I said is clear Zerida has an issue with every Arab Wikipedian or anything Arab, and last time I checked Zerida is just another Wikipidean among thousands of Wikipedians. However, if this issue takes long it may give the wrong impression to some people, just like you did.--Skatewalk 23:23, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

There's no doubt there's WP admins with an agenda. That's why my user page is not archived- so people can see the conflict of interest and the failure to recuse. But the best bet is to always assume good faith and stick to the issue. Here it should be about IP addresses. That is the heart of sock puppets. Unless somebody is sophisticated enough to use mirror sites and all that garbage. Then the checkuser wouldn't work anyway. The politics of "Arab" Xtianity are intricate and can't be addressed here. As complicated as the ancient debates on Christology. I wish Neil would address the matter of IP addresses and how he made his decision.Godspeed John Glenn! Will 23:39, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Well anyway, the best thing you can do is {{unblock|reason}} and let some other admin review your ban. If he comes to the same conclusion as Neil and checkuser did, chances are, you are a sock. Good luck with your unblock review. — EliasAlucard|Talk 05:06 23 Sept, 2007 (UTC)

Elias, I wasn't born Yesterday! Your intimate edit warring admin friend (who I shall not name), is waiting for the (unblock) that I will not ask for, until I know there are real live admin around here. Nice try though. I am not a sock. The question is the behavior connection and if Wikipedia officially makes it clear that my type are not wanted, I wil politely leave Wikipedia and go elsewhere.--Skatewalk 03:35, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Dude, I have no admins on my side. Neil has blocked me because of your edit wars and Dbachmann isn't exactly on my side either. If they've blocked you, it's most definitely, not because of me. Anyway, you do as you like. — EliasAlucard|Talk 15:09 23 Sept, 2007 (UTC)

Sure your edits say it all>>

• Aug-14
• StrongDelete/AntiArabism Sept 18 = )
• Sep 19 hmmm!
• The Same day you wished me luck!

Anyways, this is my lone and only account. I will let Wikipedia decide who to side with. A reminder to the admin that might see this, that I was blocked because I disagreed with User:Zerida a user who previously disgreed with many Arabs, some of them are sockpuppets, but not me.

• The IP that I used was never used by any Wikipedian before me
• The username I used was never used by any Wikipedian before me
• I request an impartial IP check (skipping the educated guesses, because I live in Arab disapora area and Its not strange to have a proximate IP number to one of the 23 Arab sock puppets Zerida combined from NYC to Oman! (for the record I was overseas for two years before August and not in Oman!, I am willing to present personal information and official documents if needed).--Skatewalk 14:25, 23 September 2007 (UTC)