Talk:Deaths in 2024

Deaths needing proper citation

Via thorough browsing of the 2024 deaths category, I’ve found the following are marked as deceased and needing of proper citation. Rusted AutoParts 13:19, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

• February 6, 2023 - Jim Price, 78, American musician, producer and composer (forums and social media only so far)
• January 2 - Larry Sherrer, 74, American football player (Montreal Alouettes, BC Lions) and ophthalmologist (sourced on X)
• January 22 - János Toldi, 96, Hungarian Olympic sprint canoer (sourced on Facebook)
• January 25 - Rick France, 85, British speedway rider. (sourced on Facebook)
• March - Tommy Duncan, 87, Scottish footballer (sourced on X)
• April - Danny O'Donnell, 85, Scottish footballer (Brentford, Brechin City, Tonbridge) (sourced on X)
• April 7 - John Giles, 97, British Olympic shot putter (no source)
• April 14 - Blackie Wangerin, 89, American racecar driver (sourced on Facebook)
• June 1 – Salvador Miranda, 84, American bibliographer, librarian and church historian (sourced on X)
• June 2 – Israel Even-Zahav, 77, Israeli Paralympic athlete (sourced on Facebook)
• June 7 - Dolores Cambridge, 87, Australian opera soprano (sourced on Vimeo video link of funeral)
• June 27 – Shaun Casey, 70, American model (sourced on Instagram and Facebook)

Jim Price: Dead or Alive?

Looking over this list, should Jim Price be on it at all, as even his article doesn't indicate he's dead? A brief search doesn't turn up anything to confirm that he is either 2A02:8012:227B:0:18DE:830D:C096:71A (talk) 13:03, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

The person who added his name here indicated his death was stated via forums and social media. In my opinion it's okay to leave him here given that. Unless something comes up in those areas saying the announcement was wrong or something. That's the purpose of this thread, to catalogue deaths needing a strong source that have been at the least verifiably deemed deceased in the means we can't utilize. Rusted AutoParts 17:38, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello all. Jim Price is supposed to have died in Pasadena in February 2023. We have a James William Price born in July 1945 living in Pasadena on TruePeopleSearch. If he died more than one year ago I think he wouldn't be on TruePeopleSearch anymore. What did you think? --Danielvis08 (talk) 22:31, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Frankly, I would not know whether TruePeopleSearch is deemed to be a reliable source. What I do know is that it seemingly is not available to view by Europeans. I suspect that 'James William Price' is hardly a unique name, so we can not be certain if it is he. There were 'death notices' posted on social media and web forums (all not reliable) around the time of his demise. They may have all been bogus, and that is why I did not edit his article nor post his 'death' here. It seems to me that he had a sizeable contribution to rock/pop music in the 1970s, so it seems logical that his death would have attracted media attention, but these days mainstream media seem to focus elsewhere. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 23:32, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Just to add a belated PS. here. If editors would care to take a look at the Jim Price article's editing history, you will see a few unsourced efforts, largely by IPs, trying to insert 'death details'. If this was purely vandalism, I would proffer that choosing a 78 year old to 'kill off', would gain considerably less kudos than reckoning Justin Beiber, Lady Gaga, or whoever is the latest pop sensation, had suddenly popped their clogs. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 22:21, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

I have hundreds of unlisted deaths on my profile page. I can't find time to add them all, so please have a look if you want to get your numbers up.Nukualofa (talk) 11:59, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

IMDB

Didn't wanna unilaterally revert if there'd be a consensus forged somewhere I didn't see, but is @Dimadick:'s inclusion of IMDB as an external link copacetic? Just seen it added to so many of the previous Deaths pages. Rusted AutoParts 02:24, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

It is a convenient way to locate names in chronological order of death. I have been using it for years. Dimadick (talk) 02:26, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

I get that, I have some saved pages with similar lists to check for any potential missed names needing listing/sourcing. It’s just you’re making a lot of additions to over three years worth of pages, and I’m not sure if that’s a choice others necessarily support. Rusted AutoParts 03:35, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

IMDB may be used as an external link, but not as a reliable source. See WP:IMDB. I was also inclined to revert, then noticed that it is OK as an EL. WWGB (talk) 04:32, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

Removal of suicidal methods?

For notable individuals who died by suicide, should we remove the methods used from the list? 73.208.44.57 (talk) 14:47, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

Why? You do not say. Ref ^(chew)(do) 15:02, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

I am not saying I decide whether or not the method, if known, is listed. I am worried about a potential edit war with Bryan Krippner over this. See this revision. --73.208.44.57 (talk) 21:35, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

We are not generally worried about an edit war with anyone here. If the method of suicide is reliably sourced, it will always get included in an entry here. Other years are for others to work out amicably and civilly. Ref ^(chew)(do) 21:45, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

Why "Professional wrestling" is different

Some hours ago Refsworldlee deleted the designation of a professional wrestling performer as such and asked in the edit summary why the "professional" should be included. There has never been an issue in denoting the practitioners of rugby union or rugby league or Australian rules football and I don't think there should be one for freestyle wrestling or Greco-Roman wrestling even though the latter are both honestly competed sports as opposed to the theatrical presentations known as "Professional wrestling"...even the rules for competitors at the Sumo World Championships are different from those observed by sekitori. To treat the "kayfabe" show performers as a subset of legitimate athletes is misleading and should be avoided. 71.105.190.227 (talk) 07:25, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

So there's the question presented formally - it just needs for interested editors to add their thoughts. If "professional wrestling" is indeed considered a dedicated named version of wrestling, it may need to be included. Ref ^(chew)(do) 07:34, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Professional wrestling is not a sport competition, it is scripted entertainment. I support its inclusion to differentiate it from true competitive wrestling. WWGB (talk) 07:39, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

That's a fair assessment. Not a fan of it either. Case proven. Ref ^(chew)(do) 14:19, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Apparently, it is a documented term and has a wiki about it (albeit one full of OR). But for balance and clarity, I usually add what type if competitive, similar to weight classes for boxers. Wyliepedia @ 11:30, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Tom Pritchard

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-08-06/rat-of-tobruk-tom-pritchard-dies-aged-102/104187282 46.56.198.251 (talk) 07:56, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

I presume from your abrupt post that you want Tom Pritchard added to Deaths in 2024. As he does not have a WP article, I will not be adding him. Another editor might. WWGB (talk) 08:10, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Normally we would go ahead and see what happens until one month is up as a redlink. But the source reveals very little of any notability save being a member of the so-called Tobruk Rats and living until 102. The first carries a slim notability given how many there were (14,000, and no others have ever been included here to my knowledge), the second (being able to dodge the Grim Reaper for as long as you can) is not a notability. This is not meant to sound disrespectful or mean, it's just me giving you a reason why I too won't be adding him. Thanks, may he rest in peace. Ref ^(chew)(do) 13:49, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Time-reflective link names

J. Richard Munro led Time Inc. into the merger with Warner Communications but was long gone from the company by the time the "Time-less" remnants were rebranded WarnerMedia...so the redirect "Time Warner" might be a better link for where he worked (in the spirit of those who played for sports teams before they moved to the cities that are in their current article names). 71.105.190.91 (talk) 12:34, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

As Munro isn't even mentioned in the article you would like to redirect to, I think it inappropriate to change the description as it exists. If you're redirecting to an article/section, the subject should at least get a credit by name there. In any case, our entries are seldom exactly spot on with regards to specific linking, but still manage to guide the reader towards the relevant information, nonetheless. Ref ^(chew)(do) 14:14, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

On 2024/08/19, insert "notable victims of the Bayesian yacht sinking"

On 2024/08/19, the Bayesian yacht sank. Rather than just "Mike Lynch", we should write "notable victims of the Bayesian yacht sinking". 188.218.210.140 (talk) 15:04, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Were there any other notable victims in the sinking that could be named? If not, then the change is not merited. Rusted AutoParts 17:38, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Mike Lynch is currently the only notable (key word) victim here, (this source proves it) and therefore is the only entry on this page. Wyliepedia @ 17:39, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Isn't Morvillo also notable? And also Jonathan Bloomer I think is notable, as he was the chairman of Morgan Stanley International 188.218.210.140 (talk) 11:59, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Bloomer may not have a page, but he is notable DarkStarHarry (talk) 14:10, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Someone made a redirect article for Bloomer, so he has been added, at least until September 7. Also, WWGB has distinguished the event for the two deaths listed so far. Wyliepedia @ 08:13, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 August 2024

Could you please move Swedish hockey player Boo Ahl to his correct date on August 9, according to Swedish official sources? He is currently listed under August 8.[2] 95.203.61.23 (talk) 05:52, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

 Done long before requested here. Wyliepedia @ 08:10, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 August 2024 (2)

Could you please move Swedish hockey player Lasse Björn to his correct date on August 14, according to Swedish official sources? He is currently listed under August 15.

https://www.ratsit.se/19311216-Lars_Gunnar_Raldo_Bjorn_Stockholm/BN4jW3EAuEQ4pqMRdXNbYK1GcZyKMDGCFw4VcdaNZek 95.203.61.23 (talk) 05:54, 24 August 2024 (UTC)