:::::::It shouldn't be stated in wiki voice unless it's not significantly disputed by reliable sources, which is not the case. ([[User talk:Buidhe|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Buidhe|c]]) '''[[User:buidhe|<span style="color: black">buidhe</span>]]''' 22:24, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
:::::::It shouldn't be stated in wiki voice unless it's not significantly disputed by reliable sources, which is not the case. ([[User talk:Buidhe|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Buidhe|c]]) '''[[User:buidhe|<span style="color: black">buidhe</span>]]''' 22:24, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
::::::::Which reliable sources dispute that the decision followed Abramski-Bligh’s study? <span style="position: relative; top: -0.5em;">꧁</span>[[User:Zanahary|Zanahary]]<span style="position: relative; top: -0.5em;">꧂</span> 22:30, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
::::::::Which reliable sources dispute that the decision followed Abramski-Bligh’s study? <span style="position: relative; top: -0.5em;">꧁</span>[[User:Zanahary|Zanahary]]<span style="position: relative; top: -0.5em;">꧂</span> 22:30, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::Ah, do you mean that that quote states that the Holocaust extended to Libya and Tunisia? Because I disagree—her study covered the history of those communities while the Holocaust occurred. How do you propose it be worded? <span style="position: relative; top: -0.5em;">꧁</span>[[User:Zanahary|Zanahary]]<span style="position: relative; top: -0.5em;">꧂</span> 22:34, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
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A fact from Giado concentration camp appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 15 July 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:
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... that Libyan Jews and Arabs traded and bartered with each other at the fence of the Giado concentration camp(pictured)? Source: Hoppe, Jens (2018). "The Persecution of Jews in Libya Between 1938 and 1945". In Boum, Aomar; Abrevaya Stein, Sarah (eds.). The Holocaust and North Africa. De Gruyter. doi:10.1515/9781503607064-003
Overall: The article is eligible for a copyright violation, therefore instantly making it ineligible for DYK, a large amount of direct paraphrasing is stated in the blockquotes, (I suggest changing the wording).TheNuggeteer (talk) 07:42, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There is no way this camp is "considered a death camp" by Holocaust scholars. That term has a specific definition and is only applied to a small subset of camps with a far higher death toll than this one.
In fact there are other POV issues with the article, as it takes for granted that Libya was included in the holocaust. Yet this is a minority view among scholars.[1] You participated in that discussion on a related page, so I'm confused why the error didn't get corrected here.
Hi @Buidhe. Did you mean to tag me or someone else? You refer to a “you”, but the Talk page you link is not one I remember ever commenting on—did you mean to link to Talk:The Holocaust in Libya?
The death camp statement is cited, but maybe it ought to be attributed.
Where in this article’s text does it take for granted that Libya was included in the holocaust?
Giado is described as a concentration camp in just about every source. I don’t think straying from the sources on that would be prudent. ꧁Zanahary꧂01:18, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You're putting this up for GAN so I would expect you to address any POV or other disqualifying issues brought up in the talk page.
Just because something is verifiable does not mean it is not WP:FRINGE or becomes WP:DUE for inclusion in the article. All you have here is one non-notable author who published this claim in a dubious journal, no evidence anyone else thinks this. No, it should not be included, and I would not cite that source at all. Overall, the sources could use more critical evaluation for reliability. (t · c) buidhe01:32, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's one thing to cite a few news articles for the legacy section but there's no way that sources like Israel Hayom should be used for historical information. (t · c) buidhe01:51, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Gotcha on the death camp source. I'll take another look at it.The Israel Hayom source in the Liberation and aftermath section is an editorial by the grandson of Frederick Kisch. It's used to support that Kisch was the general of the liberating forces. Is that not acceptable?Also, do you maintain that this article takes for granted that Libya was included in the Holocaust? Because I still don't understand that characterization. ꧁Zanahary꧂02:58, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I maintain that the sources cited don't have a "reputation for fact checking and accuracy" for historical events. There are a number of decent sources on this topic and if the fact isn't covered by any of them, I would question why it's relevant to mention.
The article says, "In 2002, following the 1997 publication of a study by Dr. Irit Abramski-Bligh on the history of the Libyan and Tunisian Jewish communities during the Holocaust" (t · c) buidhe16:23, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It shouldn't be stated in wiki voice unless it's not significantly disputed by reliable sources, which is not the case. (t · c) buidhe22:24, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, do you mean that that quote states that the Holocaust extended to Libya and Tunisia? Because I disagree—her study covered the history of those communities while the Holocaust occurred. How do you propose it be worded? ꧁Zanahary꧂22:34, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
