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Conflict of interest VRT consultations, July 2024

Original announcement

Arbitration motion regarding Durova

Original announcement

This is really digging back deep. Well before my time, though when I first became an admin I read through a lot of old ArbCom cases so I was prepared for AE. No complaint about the modifications, to be sure. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 01:23, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

@The Blade of the Northern Lights: I'm somewhat curious as to why this even came up. For those interested, it's just a restatement from Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Hkelkar 2 (which was also an awful mess of a case). Apparently James Forrester authored the version that got agreement within the committee; there were various proposals at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Hkelkar 2/Workshop. The principle was much more controversial in the Durova case because of the perception that the committee was shooting the messenger. Mackensen (talk) 01:44, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

@Mackensen: And I thought I was the retired institutional memory. You do know that by showing up on this page after all these years, you're now required to run for the Committee again? Newyorkbrad (talk) 02:08, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Does ArbCom need to file another motion to amend Hkelkar 2 then? Really I think the point of this motion was to send a message that copyrights aren't the primary reason not to disclose private information, and correcting the historical record was a side effect of the way that was done, not the actual point, so no. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 02:30, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

@Newyorkbrad that is flummery! Mackensen (talk) 02:38, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

The reason that his came up is that the 2007 principle is mentioned at Wikipedia:Harassment. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 02:30, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Citing Wikipedia:Copyrights was always something of a cheat. It is and was legally accurate, but it was standing in for the lack of a policy governing the real issue. See Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Hkelkar 2/Proposed decision#Private correspondence, particularly 2.2. There was certainly a very strong norm that you shouldn't post the contents of a private email (I was guilty of that once, well before that case), separate from the question of outing someone's real name or email address. The committees of that period were cautious about going beyond existing policies, but (as I recall) we didn't want that genie getting out of the bottle, especially since a copy-pasted email wasn't usable as evidence. Mackensen (talk) 02:57, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

• Based. That copyright thing was very silly and it is good for it to be out. jp×g🗯️ 06:40, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Case Closed on 17:25, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
Case amended by motion on 22:44, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Was this the longest between changes to a case? 16 years and a half could be some kind of record. —⁠andrybak (talk) 09:07, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Resignation of Barkeep49 from ArbCom

Original announcement

• Thank you for everything Barkeep. Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 02:25, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
• I will miss Barkeep on the Committee, having spoken with him on so many occasions. I still resolutely believe that the Committee is enriched by diverse perspectives; I will miss his thoughts and his work for all of us.
  I wish that we didn't have to disagree so much, but I respect that Barkeep was unfailingly frank with me. Best wishes, Sdrqaz (talk) 02:47, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
• Great loss, for sure! But I take comfort that he will be watching out for us with the U4C stuff, as I don't keep up to date with, but find myself eternally worried about all the stuff that goes on outside of Wikipedia that affects Wikipedia. Usedtobecool ☎️ 02:49, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
• I understand your reasons, but I'm really sad to see you go. You've always seemed to me like the adult in the room. RoySmith (talk) 02:52, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
• thanks for your service o7 ... sawyer * he/they * talk 02:53, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
• 🫡 – robertsky (talk) 03:16, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
• As long as bar is being kept at some worthwhile establishment, I begrudgingly accept that it won't be at the dive where I have enjoyed their service of late. DMacks (talk) 03:33, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
• Thanks for your service. – DreamRimmer (talk) 03:37, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
• Thank you! Perhaps I'll get the opportunity to vote for you in an arbcom election again sometime. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:34, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
• Thanks for everything from me too! ~ ToBeFree (talk) 07:28, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
• Nice one Barkeep.Original announcement "Arbcom, now going to hell in a handcart..." 🤪 All aboard! ——Serial Number 54129 08:24, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
• Barkeep was, in my mind, one of my most trusted colleagues while I served, indeed he was one of the best arbitrators the committee ever had. The committee, and therefore the wider project, will need to work hard to fill this gap. Worm^TT(talk) 10:09, 16 July 2024 (UTC)