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Re this edit [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=South_Kitsap_High_School&diff=prev&oldid=1230302188], Trevor Hanson does not have a Wikipedia article to show his notability. According to the supplied reference for his attendance he played minor league baseball for six years, and never played in the major leagues. It is not correct to claim that he was a "former baseball player for the [[St. Louis Cardinals]]. As for his notability, we do not presume notability for major league players, let alone for minor leaguers. There may be enough coverage of him to show his notability, but we cannot presume that. If there are sufficient reliable sources to show that he is notable then an article should be written for him before he is listed in the Notable alumni list, per [[WP:WTAF]]. [[User:Meters|Meters]] ([[User talk:Meters|talk]]) 22:05, 22 June 2024 (UTC) |
Re this edit [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=South_Kitsap_High_School&diff=prev&oldid=1230302188], Trevor Hanson does not have a Wikipedia article to show his notability. According to the supplied reference for his attendance he played minor league baseball for six years, and never played in the major leagues. It is not correct to claim that he was a "former baseball player for the [[St. Louis Cardinals]]. As for his notability, we do not presume notability for major league players, let alone for minor leaguers. There may be enough coverage of him to show his notability, but we cannot presume that. If there are sufficient reliable sources to show that he is notable then an article should be written for him before he is listed in the Notable alumni list, per [[WP:WTAF]]. [[User:Meters|Meters]] ([[User talk:Meters|talk]]) 22:05, 22 June 2024 (UTC) |
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:For reference, I'm posting here after seeing [[:WP:HD#Need an arbiter for an editing disagreement|something posted about it posted at the Help Desk]]. While it's not necessary per [[:WP:LSC]] and [[:WP:SOURCELIST]] for individual entries in embedded lists to Wikipedia notable in their own right, generally the first [[:WP:CSC]] for "Notable people" types of lists is that [[:WP:WTAF|each entry have a stand-alone article written about them]] or at least be a very good candidate for such an article when one doesn't already exist. While it's certainly may be true that Hanson is an alumnus of the school, it kind of comes down to [[:WP:NOTEVERYTHING]] (at least in my opinion) and also to the fact that each other entry on the list does already have a stand-alone article written about them. There may be lots of people who one might try to argue deserve to be mentioned in a list such as this (many secondary schools have their own "Hall of Fame" of "notable alumni" for example), but some kind of "[[:bright-line rule]]" needs to be established for this particular article for Wikipedia to prevent "random" names from being added from hereon. It seems that when it comes to lists such as this, the first and most basic criteria is that an article about the subject already exists or could reasonably expected to exist, which doesn't seem to be the case here. -- [[User:Marchjuly|Marchjuly]] ([[User talk:Marchjuly|talk]]) 22:49, 22 June 2024 (UTC) |
:For reference, I'm posting here after seeing [[:WP:HD#Need an arbiter for an editing disagreement|something posted about it posted at the Help Desk]]. While it's not necessary per [[:WP:LSC]] and [[:WP:SOURCELIST]] for individual entries in embedded lists to Wikipedia notable in their own right, generally the first [[:WP:CSC]] for "Notable people" types of lists is that [[:WP:WTAF|each entry have a stand-alone article written about them]] or at least be a very good candidate for such an article when one doesn't already exist. While it's certainly may be true that Hanson is an alumnus of the school, it kind of comes down to [[:WP:NOTEVERYTHING]] (at least in my opinion) and also to the fact that each other entry on the list does already have a stand-alone article written about them. There may be lots of people who one might try to argue deserve to be mentioned in a list such as this (many secondary schools have their own "Hall of Fame" of "notable alumni" for example), but some kind of "[[:bright-line rule]]" needs to be established for this particular article for Wikipedia to prevent "random" names from being added from hereon. It seems that when it comes to lists such as this, the first and most basic criteria is that an article about the subject already exists or could reasonably expected to exist, which doesn't seem to be the case here. -- [[User:Marchjuly|Marchjuly]] ([[User talk:Marchjuly|talk]]) 22:49, 22 June 2024 (UTC) |
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::You're sure about that, [[User:Marchjuly|Marchjuly]]? By that logic almost all of the players in the [[Minor League Baseball rosters]] list should be deleted. Say it ain't so, Joe! [[User:Yappy2bhere|Yappy2bhere]] ([[User talk:Yappy2bhere|talk]]) 22:42, 23 June 2024 (UTC) |
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I am asking for a photo of the school for the info box. The current image is of an ROTC event at the school and is not an appropriate image to illustrate the infobox. I would move it elsewhere in the article, but the article does not even mention the ROTC at this school. I'm going to remove the image. Meters (talk) 22:36, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
Notable Alumni
Lists of notable alumni generally include only alumni who have Wikipedia articles to show their notability, and reliable references to show their attendance. It is acceptable to have the attendance reference for an individual in their Wikipedia article rather than in the school article. Exceptions are sometimes (rarely) made for alumni who would clearly qualify for an article if one were written.
Re this edit [1], Trevor Hanson does not have a Wikipedia article to show his notability. According to the supplied reference for his attendance he played minor league baseball for six years, and never played in the major leagues. It is not correct to claim that he was a "former baseball player for the St. Louis Cardinals. As for his notability, we do not presume notability for major league players, let alone for minor leaguers. There may be enough coverage of him to show his notability, but we cannot presume that. If there are sufficient reliable sources to show that he is notable then an article should be written for him before he is listed in the Notable alumni list, per WP:WTAF. Meters (talk) 22:05, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- For reference, I'm posting here after seeing something posted about it posted at the Help Desk. While it's not necessary per WP:LSC and WP:SOURCELIST for individual entries in embedded lists to Wikipedia notable in their own right, generally the first WP:CSC for "Notable people" types of lists is that each entry have a stand-alone article written about them or at least be a very good candidate for such an article when one doesn't already exist. While it's certainly may be true that Hanson is an alumnus of the school, it kind of comes down to WP:NOTEVERYTHING (at least in my opinion) and also to the fact that each other entry on the list does already have a stand-alone article written about them. There may be lots of people who one might try to argue deserve to be mentioned in a list such as this (many secondary schools have their own "Hall of Fame" of "notable alumni" for example), but some kind of "bright-line rule" needs to be established for this particular article for Wikipedia to prevent "random" names from being added from hereon. It seems that when it comes to lists such as this, the first and most basic criteria is that an article about the subject already exists or could reasonably expected to exist, which doesn't seem to be the case here. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:49, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- You're sure about that, Marchjuly? By that logic almost all of the players in the Minor League Baseball rosters list should be deleted. Say it ain't so, Joe! Yappy2bhere (talk) 22:42, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
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