:::::::::::Hi again @[[User:Memevietnam98|Memevietnam98]]. I have reviewed 3,000 drafts over the last 10 months and feel fairly confident in my assessment, but if you think I have made a gross error in my judgement, feel free to make a post at [[WP:AFCHD]] and ask for a second opinion (maybe linking to this thread to provide extra context). <span style="background-color: RoyalBlue; border-radius: 1em; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px;">'''[[User:Qcne|<span style="color: GhostWhite">Qcne</span>]]''' <small>[[User talk:Qcne|<span style="color: GhostWhite">(talk)</span>]]</small></span> 10:43, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::Hi again @[[User:Memevietnam98|Memevietnam98]]. I have reviewed 3,000 drafts over the last 10 months and feel fairly confident in my assessment, but if you think I have made a gross error in my judgement, feel free to make a post at [[WP:AFCHD]] and ask for a second opinion (maybe linking to this thread to provide extra context). <span style="background-color: RoyalBlue; border-radius: 1em; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px;">'''[[User:Qcne|<span style="color: GhostWhite">Qcne</span>]]''' <small>[[User talk:Qcne|<span style="color: GhostWhite">(talk)</span>]]</small></span> 10:43, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::You can always post that version to that page, I don't want to right now. [[User:Memevietnam98|Memevietnam98]] ([[User talk:Memevietnam98#top|talk]]) 10:45, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::You can always post that version to that page, I don't want to right now. [[User:Memevietnam98|Memevietnam98]] ([[User talk:Memevietnam98#top|talk]]) 10:45, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Sure, I'll ask the Help Desk for a second opinion. <span style="background-color: RoyalBlue; border-radius: 1em; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px;">'''[[User:Qcne|<span style="color: GhostWhite">Qcne</span>]]''' <small>[[User talk:Qcne|<span style="color: GhostWhite">(talk)</span>]]</small></span> 10:53, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
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Again? My article page is actually independent from that, uh I mean you're not read all about that, there are many sources that doesn't belong from the main, so I'll resubmit about that. Memevietnam98 (talk) 01:41, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi there! I think you might misunderstand the reason for the rejection. The proposed article and that article are about the same subject matter. It does not matter that your draft has more details on the Backrooms series - the article in the mainspace has, in my opinion, the correct title, and has been created earlier, so is a more appropriate source. In that case, you might like to improve that article using some of the information and sources you have drafted. This can be a bit disappointing but I'm sure some of the information you have looked into may help improve the article. Happy to chat if there's any confusion. VRXCES (talk) 07:49, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have three lines:
I have another sources that doesn't belong from the main
Respectfully but firmly: there is already an article for this, and there is no reason to create a new article when one already exists. It doesn't matter that you have drafted an article with more details. You can put those details in the existing article if you like. VRXCES (talk) 03:24, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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As already stated, there's an article on this. You might like to merge it there. Also check out the manual of style as you have very a productive and enthusiastic approach which is awesome, but there are some aspects to tone and tense that may improve your writing. Happy to chat on my talk page if you have any questions.
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As below.
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I'm afraid that you are unwilling or unable to understand the reason these are being rejected. It has nothing to do with the content of your draft or its relationship to the other article: it is that there is already an article that exists, making the point of making a new article inappropriate. All the best. VRXCES (talk) 08:18, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You would said that "you actually copied it" well, it should be used as "a half of information" because actually if you look again you will see the difference. Memevietnam98 (talk) 08:29, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm concerned that your attitude to this or maybe a potential language barrier between us is making it really hard to explain to you basic Wikipedia policy. Of course I think what you're doing is helpful, but you need to be able to listen to constructive criticism when multiple people are telling you that how you're going about it is not the best way to do things. You may keep running into roadblocks time and time again if you're not open to understanding how policies work. VRXCES (talk) 08:36, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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very few reliable sources (WP:YOUTUBE). other sources only have significant coverage of MatPat, a co-creator.
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There are less news or information (or even no information) about The Film Theorists, so I rather took from the main channel. During my research, I just saw The Game Theorists news. Memevietnam98 (talk) 05:26, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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No change since previous submission. Youtube is not a reliable source; there is honestly zero reason to be using Youtube as a reference here. Independent notability has not been established from the minimal references outside of the self-published videos present in the article.
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Number 1: No web site, no source, YouTube was the place The Film Theories created.
Number 2: Seriously, I have watched all of that and I can confirm.
Number 3: "No change since previous submission." My change since previous was: Episodes part, Format (minor edit)
Number 4: "Youtube is not a reliable source; there is honestly zero reason to be using Youtube as a reference here.", as my lines, "YouTube was the place The Film Theories created.", do you actually watched all The Film Theorist' videos?
Number 5: "Independent notability has not been established from the minimal references outside of the self-published videos present in the article." actually I'm inspired by MatPat so why not? Memevietnam98 (talk) 08:00, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It just like ERB, the channel was made in YouTube, and the sources of channel must also get from YouTube channel, so "honestly zero reason to be using Youtube as a reference here" is meaningless. Memevietnam98 (talk) 08:12, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In order for a topic to be notable enough to constitute an article, it must be extensively covered in reliable secondary sources such as news articles and the such. As the reviewer stated, reliable secondary sources independent of the subject were not used. (Discuss0nshore'scontributions!!!) 20:03, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Content does not determine notability, only sources can establish notability so you can add as many sections, etc. as you want but it will not help without qualifying sources. Almost all the reliable sources were largely, if not entirely, about the series so notability was not met for The Backrooms (Found Footage). Please also be aware of WP:NOPAGE. Sometimes even when an article meets nobility, readers may be better served by the relevant content being included in an existing article rather it having its own article. S0091 (talk) 14:49, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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You need "reliable sources" right? then check References and External links again.
You need to check what "reliable sources" means, it's mean how it believable to be appear in a article.
I was taken from DVloper's Twitter account, Google Play, Instagram
And about plot? I have watched YouTube videos, my experiences and fandom.
"This draft's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article. In summary, the draft needs multiple published sources that are:
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It's a generic response, the criteria they are referring to is about reliability. Reliable sources aren't wherever a game is mentioned by someone online, but been covered by a generally accepted mainstream source with an editorial process. You can find a list of the kind of secondary video game sources that we think are reliable at WP:VG/S. VRXCES (talk) 19:33, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Almost none of this is supported by reliable sources.
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Non-notable article continually resubmitted without any substantive improvement on previous critiques of sourcing quality.
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Remains non-notable. Only additions since last submit are three paragraphs entirely from a single Bengali news source of unknown reliability and one paragraph from Times Now, a tabloid of dubious reliability per WP:NPPSG. The article still has the obvious and fundamental root problem of lacking any reviews from reliable sources, suggesting the game, for all its various appearances in random sources, is non-notable, and relies heavily on sources of low to no reliability. As ever, I understand the disappointment and am happy to help to find these sources.
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Did you said Times Now "a tabloid of dubious reliability"??? Wow at this point I definitely you are hating on me, says Times Now a tabloid is definitely bullshit and no evidence.
"The article still has the obvious and fundamental root problem of lacking any reviews from reliable sources, suggesting the game, for all its various appearances in random sources"
Most of the sources are either primary and/or not reliable, such as Google Play, YouTube, Twitter, Instagram, Ask.com, Amazon, and blogs. User-reviews should not be used, only critics, including Metacritic. I suggest removing those sources and rewriting it summarizing what reliable sources have written about the game and be mindful of original research/WP:SYNTH. You cannot say things like "In 2018, the game became a big trend, when many people started playing, making fandom, especially on YouTube when where there are a lot of players." unless it is supported by secondary reliable sources. If no secondary reliable sources have not written about something, it does not warrant mentioning. S0091 (talk) 14:12, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I wouldn't, here's why
1. User experience is random and "real"
2. Did you said "Google Play, YouTube, Twitter, Instagram, Ask.com, Amazon and blog" aren't reliability??? this is such a joke, I swear, Google Play is the place the game released, the place where the users can install and play, rating??? And YouTube is the place where its popularity went high, Instagram also I used for developer's, Ask.com is the place of critical game, Amazon are the same, thank you for Metacritic guess.
3. "You cannot say things like "In 2018, the game became a big trend, when many people started playing, making fandom, especially on YouTube when where there are a lot of players." unless it is supported by secondary reliable sources. If no secondary reliable sources have not written about something, it does not warrant mentioning", ok, you get a point but actually I can put it into the main top, if you continue to say it is non-reliable sources, just debate again. Memevietnam98 (talk) 15:31, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You can disagree with it, but the community has already come to consensus on these type of sources: see user-generated content and WP:RSPYT. There is no debate to be had. While primary sources, which includes self-published sources, can be used (i.e. DVlope's YouTube channel), they should only be used very sparingly and very carefully. Continuing to resubmit the draft without addressing the issues, is considered disruptive and may result in the draft being rejected, meaning it will no longer be considered. S0091 (talk) 15:47, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have watched WP:RSPYT and I saw that it used to said "most of", so the sources from YouTube actually can use in this case, also it said that "Content uploaded from a verified official account, such as that of a news organization, may be treated as originating from the uploader and therefore inheriting their level of reliability." which is true in this case, from DVloper.
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Your recent article submission has been rejected and cannot be resubmitted. If you have further questions, you can ask at the Articles for creation help desk or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help. The reason left by Vrxces was: This submission is contrary to the purpose of Wikipedia. The comment the reviewer left was: Article creator has continually resubmitted the article without substantive improvements to the concerns that several editors have raised about sourcing quality and notability. These concerns have also been discussed on the talk page in a way that the creator has consistently misunderstood or misrepresented. The article is at a state where due to the creator's approach and continual resubmission it is unlikely to reach a point of notability. I would strongly encourage the editor to gain greater familiarity with the standards around WP:GNG and WP:RS and what these mean in practice before drafting and submitting another article about media to avoid issues in future.
VRXCES (talk) 06:10, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You're very conservative, super conservative, just like Donald Trump, "Article creator has continually resubmitted the article without substantive improvements to the concerns that several editors have raised about sourcing quality and notability"??? this is such a joke, I'm confused when you're doing this with anyone, I hope the person who met you in Wikipedia be fine and not be crazy not like me. "contrary to the purpose of Wikipedia." read the rules again, buddy.
"These concerns have also been discussed on the talk page in a way that the creator has consistently misunderstood or misrepresented" This is what you're doing, you're never heard, never see the explain, reject with conservative and the message is just as same as, you're hating on me (with no reason) and rejected me 3 times with SAME REASONS.
You have never said you're hating me, but I'll not debate as a Wikipedia editor, I have read some rules and reflect my article, it is suitable for an article and two both (you and S0091) allied and tried to fucked up my article, this is unfair, UNFAIR ENOUGH. Memevietnam98 (talk) 08:13, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sorry that you feel upset about the closure of this article. Four separate editors have rejected the article for the same reason because the article has not rectified the consistent issue that there is no reliable coverage or reviews from sources like those discussed at WP:VG/S. Unfortunately the edits made to the article did not adjust this issue, and the article has not come closer to notability. It is a shame that we have not been able to come to an understanding but this is not from a place of malice or wanting to obstruct your efforts. I hope you are able to make other constructive edits to Wikipedia and in time create articles consistent with the rules around notability and reliability, but at this point there is a lot of work and understanding that needs to be done to get there. I understand you are upset but the accusations that I am doing this to hurt you or attack your article are not the case. I think that's about all I can say on this. VRXCES (talk) 08:52, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Four separate editors" you meant your four allies? I have mad at this one, closure of article for random reason is actually BULLSHIT! Yeah! I'm serious! I even edited parts that aren't even "minors" like you're hyping... Memevietnam98 (talk) 13:50, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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My advice? Just publish it. Don’t go through the review process. All of my primary presidential articles never went through that yet they’re still up. WikiBunny2K1 (talk) 21:10, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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I do think think that it is not important. If you want to see things about me you can see my user page. And per your question on other talk page, I didn't care that you are a communist. Have a good day. ✠ SunDawn ✠(contact)12:07, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This isn't an article rejection! Just a heads up that it may be helpful to review these policies before submission to avoid issues. VRXCES (talk) 11:25, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I do not plan on reviewing AfC articles outside my area of interest or experience, but yes, I would consider if this article were submitted for AfC, it would be declined (not rejected) on the basis of WP:NPOV and WP:RS. VRXCES (talk) 21:34, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Check a few sections down from the link you provided at WP:USERG to see what this user is discussing. They are referring to most of the sources in the article, including the YouTube and podcast sources. YouTube is not considered a reliable source as your link states unless it is affiliated with the official channel of a reliable organisation or news source. They are trying to help you by pointing you in the direction of adding secondary sources to the article, like reliable news sources. VRXCES (talk) 12:08, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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This draft's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article. In summary, the draft needs multiple published sources that are:
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Most of the article is still founded on user generated content such as YouTube videos, wiki entries and podcast sources. These are not reliable sources. The article needs reliable secondary sources to substantiate its information, especially because the article is about a person.
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I mean you're not able to know what is a "user generated" means and would try to lock my article as same as Granny before, I have prepared about that. Memevietnam98 (talk) 14:24, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have resubmitted again, removed some "unneccessary" links according to you, but I didn't remove citation like YouTube, Discord, Podcast because simply it's important personal information. If you continue to say that it's "not a reliable source", I'm afraid you'll have to look at Wikipedia:Reliable sources again. Memevietnam98 (talk) 14:44, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Glad we got there eventually. Well no, you don't have to necessarily remove primary sources (these are the ones by the subject) but you do have to find enough reliable news or secondary sources that are written by a journalist or someone credible to show that the person is notable enough to have an article about them. The article you wrote about the lady in the iron lung was notable because there were plenty of news stories about her. Is this the case here? VRXCES (talk) 20:43, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sorry you see it that way. Anyway, if you want that article to progress, I'd see if you could find mainstream coverage of that YouTube user. VRXCES (talk) 10:45, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not quite, because the sources are mainstream: Kotaku, LA Times, IGN and The Verge. These are reliable sources listed in WP:RS and WP:VG/S. Does that sort of coverage apply to the user in your article? VRXCES (talk) 10:53, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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I'm sorry, I do not see how this person meets notability. He is not notable just as father of a notable person.
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By this mile, then do you know who was Samuel Polk? Just because it don't get any notable doesn't mean it shouldn't be on. Don't try to put WP:NP again when some person who don't get attention still in some articles. Memevietnam98 (talk) 11:47, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"My sources"???, I took this from worldwide sources, not from mine?? I can prove that he was the father of a U.S. president, like Samuel Polk of James K. Polk, also he was appeared in some news, even son's ancestry news. That's it, if you don't know about him, then there are still some people knows about him, even in our Wikipedia now. Memevietnam98 (talk) 13:31, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi again @Memevietnam98. Sorry, I think you have misunderstood me. Sorry if I was not clear. I should have phrased it as the sources you have used do not show notability. I agree that Spence Monroe is the father of James Monroe- that fact is not in dispute. But just because he is the father of a U.S. President does not make him notable by himself. We would need to see significant coverage in reliable sources of Spence independently of James.
Well, then prove a source that is not notability? I used the sources that is secondary and clearly, as I said, if that applies, then why Samuel Polk article is still exist (sorry if I mentioned for 3 times, but I should do that)? I even make a external links part of it, so don't say it non-reliable sources again. Memevietnam98 (talk) 13:39, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @Memevietnam98. The fact you put External Links has no bearing on the notability of sources. Let's go through your sources one by one so you can understand:
monroefoundation.org: This source talks about his land, but does not convey much information.
biography.com: This mentions Spence once, briefly. No significant coverage or any other information.
newspapers.com: This references his wife, but doesn't convey much information.
monroenews: This mentions Spence once, briefly. No significant coverage or any other information.
millercenter.org: This mentions Spence once, briefly. No significant coverage or any other information.
highland.org: This mentions Spence once, briefly. No significant coverage or any other information.
thoughtco.com: This mentions Spence once, briefly. No significant coverage or any other information.
libraries.psu.edu: This mentions Spence twice! But is still not significant coverage.
geni.com: This is a database entry and we usually do not use geni.com as it is considered a generally unreliable source.
I hope you agree, therefore, that although most of the sources are reliable and secondary they do not provide significant coverage of Spence. As such you have not proven he is notable by the notability standards for people.
We review articles on their own merit and do not compare to existing articles. There are unfortunately many tens of thousands of poor quality articles on Wikipedia. I have had a look at the Samuel Polk article, and to be honest I would not have accepted it either.
I don't think English is your first language, and I wonder if you might be better served improving your native-tongue Wikipedia project? I notice you have had some issues submitting articles in the past.
Wow, I just now realized that you use people who are having difficulty with English as a tool to argue and "bully", anyways, if Samuel Polk was already up there, then this article should be too. so (for sure), the third thing in the source you mentioned IS RELATED TO HIM, if you read it from beginning to end, you will see. And you keep repeating, "This mentions Spence once, briefly. No significant coverage or any other information." in most of your sentences, do you mean "not trustworthy enough"? And fortunately, these two things helped me avoid this trouble: Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria, Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Additional criteria, you can watch it. Memevietnam98 (talk) 14:12, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, you're right, looking at my name is enough for you to understand, but don't use my shortcomings to make something considered "debate" on Wikipedia. Memevietnam98 (talk) 14:13, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @Memevietnam98. I am really sorry if you feel bullied - I am merely pointing out that you seem to have had some issues understanding Wikipedia's very complex policies and guidelines.
I specifically never said the sources were not trustworthy enough: I said they did not provide significant coverage. Please do not put words in my mouth.
Alternatively, if you feel I have made some sort of gross error here: please do give me three sources that you think meet WP:BASIC and prove that Spence meets the following critiera:
First: I have achieved independence (for sure), second, there is a whole pdf about his career (I explain quickly because I have seen a significant gain), thank you . Memevietnam98 (talk) 10:42, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not putting words in your mouth, I mean "in my opinion" (important reason in reading), I don't agree with most all of your arguments – it's not correct and neither are you described it incorrectly, so don't say that to me again, I've got my strong argument. Memevietnam98 (talk) 10:40, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi again @Memevietnam98. I have reviewed 3,000 drafts over the last 10 months and feel fairly confident in my assessment, but if you think I have made a gross error in my judgement, feel free to make a post at WP:AFCHD and ask for a second opinion (maybe linking to this thread to provide extra context). Qcne(talk)10:43, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]