Talk:Canadians

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I fixed a link from a redirect so that it redirects to the main article. It is true not all links to redirects need to be fixed; however, the canadian lists were the only series of lists that listed 100 in their titles. I fixed the links so that they would match their current titles. Sometimes it is ok to leave the links as they are. This isn't the case for these links. For example, it is ok to leave the link for the binomial name of dog in instances where the scientific name is discussed. Catchpoke (talk) 17:37, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

It is not necessary to change redirects. You've been told this by two different editors. Linking to a redirect is not a problem because it is WP:NOTBROKEN. I will revert one more time and we will both be at WP:3RR as a result. Walter Görlitz (talk) 22:55, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

To be specific, the change you are making is from this [[List of the 100 largest metropolitan areas in Canada|major urban centres]] to this [[List of census metropolitan areas and agglomerations in Canada|major urban centres]]. What the reader saw before your change was major urban centres and what they see after is was major urban centres. The target for the first is a redirect to List of census metropolitan areas and agglomerations in Canada. So, in short, your "fix" is not, it is the very reason that NOTBROKEN was established. A piped redirect is the worst thing to fix as it makes no difference to the reader. Walter Görlitz (talk) 23:03, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

But hovering over the link will reveal the "true" target for the page... Catchpoke (talk) 23:13, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

Not the point. The link is NOTBROKEN. If you get that changed, you may change this link. If not, you can explain your actions to admins. Walter Görlitz (talk) 03:50, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

What a disingenuous comment. Catchpoke (talk) 22:51, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

Not really, no. Please take your concern to NOTBROKEN. You either do not appreciate or have any deference to the guideline and feel that you have an exception—one that two other, more experienced editors do not accept. You should get that clearly accepted at the guideline and codified in such a way that I and the other edit do not trouble you going forward. Without that, you will continue to glean warnings on your talk page. This, of course, may lead to your eventual removal from the project. If you don not have the sense to understand that and would rather continue to blame others, go ahead, but you will not get your way on this article unless you get more editors to agree with your claimed exception. Walter Görlitz (talk) 23:05, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

This is simply WP:WIKILAWYERING. What meritable reason do you have to keep the redirect? Catchpoke (talk) 23:31, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for admitting that you are simply WIKILAWYERING, but to answer your question, NOTBROKEN is the only reasonable reason to keep the redirect. Walter Görlitz (talk) 00:31, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Take a look at your block log: This is simply a troll post. Catchpoke (talk) 02:40, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Take a look at my contributions. I generally make more edits in a week than you have in your entire time. If you keep showing poor behaviour (self-admitted wikilawyering and trolling), you could render this discussion moot. Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:45, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Another hypocrite. Catchpoke (talk) 19:18, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Despite Catchpoke's ad hominem argument, I have to agree with Walter Görlitz here. Bypassing redirects in this way is clearly at odds with WP:NOTBROKEN. If you feel that the guideline should be changed, please suggest improvements. If you feel that the guideline, although generally sound, should not apply here, please explain why this case is special. Otherwise, I recommend following that advice from multiple experienced editors. (Does anyone else see the irony in calling everyone else a hypocrite?) Certes (talk) 22:33, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Already warned Catchpoke for personal attacks. User immediately deleted warning and showed up on my talk page to ask which comments... I would say there's some irony in calling someone else "disingenuous" too. Note that the user continues to rapidly bypass similar redirects on multiple articles. Meters (talk) 22:57, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Catchpoke's recent edit history is full of "bypass redirect". The red flag occurred when the editor hit two BC city articles I watch. I have opened Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#NOTBROKEN or NOTHERE. Walter Görlitz (talk) 23:11, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

I'm here due to watching Brampton and Edmonton (to fix incoming links meant for Brampton, Carlisle; Edmonton, London; etc.) but I had already started a conversation at User talk:Catchpoke following similar edits elsewhere. Certes (talk) 23:30, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

I'm not sure that WP:NOTBROKEN is relevant here, as that guideline is mostly about replacing [[redirect]] with [[target|redirect]], rather than what's going on here, which is replacing [[target A|visible text]] with [[target B|visible text]]. This is entirely appropriate if target B is a more accurate reflection of the target article. As Catchpoke has pointed out here, and as others have mentioned elsewhere, this is a (slight) benefit to the reader, as it affects the hint that appears when they hover the link. Just by visual inspection, it seems pretty clear to me that the article at List of census metropolitan areas and agglomerations in Canada is better described by its current title than by the previous title (as of 10 years ago), List of the 100 largest metropolitan areas in Canada, since, well, the list contains more than 100 entries. (Also, a recent RM found consensus for moving away from the arbitrary scope restriction of "100 largest" for a number of similar articles.) All that is to say, I support Catchpoke's changes. At worst, they're harmless (none of the "reasons not to bypass redirects" listed at WP:NOTBROKEN apply to this sort of change), but I think it's more correct to say they're a slight improvement, since one or more of the points under "Good reasons to bypass redirects" do apply. Colin M (talk) 22:55, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you Colin M for that valuable contribution. Now that we finally have a civil and understandable justification of the edits, I can see the logic of your argument. The changes do seem to make a slight improvement for readers who hover over the text. Certes (talk) 00:06, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 October 2022

Delete the parts of the article about Canadian culture being "heavily" influenced by US culture. This is a common misconception (typically perpetuated by non-Canadians and/or those with weak knowledge of Canada) and easily debunked when even taking a cursory glance at the culture, politics, and society of both countries (especially these days, with america's pronounced and flamboyant shift to the far-right). Actual Canadians cringe whenever they hear this falsehood in wiki articles (and other weak sources of information) in the same way that Irish people cringe at English media's ignorant depictions of their country, or Ukrainians cringe at russian state-controlled media's depiction of their country.

Thank you for making the correction. 24.68.120.175 (talk) 16:36, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. BilCat (talk) 17:17, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

A Culture under Siege?.Moxy- 18:48, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 November 2022

Please update 2015 number for Canadians living in Pakistan in the infobox with 2019 number provided below. And list them below Italy.

Please change 17,320 to 30,000-50,000 in the infobox for Pakistan.

Thanks 119.157.244.136 (talk) 06:42, 24 November 2022 (UTC)