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Al Jalaa Highrise

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The building itself is only notable for having been bombed by the IDF as part of the 2021 Israel–Palestine crisis, and sources only discuss it in relation to that event. The material is covered perfectly adequately at 2021 Israel–Palestine crisis#Al-Jalaa media building bombing, and is better suited there rather than in a standalone article. A redirect to that section could possibly work too, though "Al Jalla Highrise" isn't really a name commonly used for the building (sources usually call it "al-Jalaa tower" or just "al-Jalaa building"). ‑‑Volteer1 (talk) 07:56, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Palestine-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 07:57, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

• Delete - change to Redirect to 2021 Israel–Palestine crisis#Al-Jalaa media building bombing or more specific page if it should be created. Per nom. Only one line in the article concerns the building outside of the bombing. If anything, a separate article on the bombing itself could be created, but I am not sure that is warranted, either. ‡ Єl Cid of Valencia ^talk 12:53, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
• Delete. Elishop (talk) 18:44, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

• Would you care to explain why? See WP:POLL  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 04:07, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Architecture-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:23, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

• Keep I forked the article from the German one, apparently the building was one of the tallest in Gaza. Victor Grigas (talk) 23:26, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

I think that might come from a misreading of: [1] Israel has leveled a number of Gaza City’s tallest office and residential buildings, alleging they house elements of the Hamas military infrastructure. On Saturday, it turned to the 12-story al-Jalaa Building... The IDF levelled a 14-story building a bit less than a week ago, for instance, and I don't think being somewhat tall would really effect WP:NBUILDING. For reference, in Gaza City: [2] (note regarding emporis.com: the entries are verified to be correct, but they are nowhere near an expansive list, there are probably more than what is listed there - I think neither of these buildings were on this site, for instance). ‑‑Volteer1 (talk) 00:26, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

I don't think a building that is tall would make it notable, per WP:NBUILDING it must have enough source coverage, and other than that bombing there is clearly not enough coverage of RSes about the building itself. User3749 (talk) 13:09, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

• Keep but rename to Destruction of Al Jalaa Highrise. The destruction of this building will have enduring notability. Reporters Without Borders, and others, are trying to take this case to the International Criminal Court and this alone will make the topic notable (regardless of whether Israeli actions are found by the court to be justified or not).VR _talk 04:52, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
• Keep but rename to Bombing of Al Jalaa Highrise or similar, and focus the article on the attack on the building and the reaction. BeŻet (talk) 09:25, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
• Delete: No refs on the building itself, all were refs of the collapse. Even the image only shows the collapse, this is clearly non-notable. I think as this does not cover notability, this may need to be deleted, but we can also move it or redirect it to the section on the main page about the conflict. User3749 (talk) 12:43, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
• Note - I have no issue with creating a Destruction of Al Jalaa Highrise or similarly titled page, and I think this page should redirect there. BUT I am not sure if, procedurally or logistically, it makes sense to simply move this page to that title. The topics are distinct and we can't just change lead to gold. So, I changed my vote to redirect (which I should have done in the first place, anyway). ‡ Єl Cid of Valencia ^talk 12:46, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
• Delete: The building itself was not notable before the strike. For now it's best to just keep it part of the general article on the conflict. If this turns into a major controversy warranting an article, we should make an article about the "al-Jalaa building strike" rather than the building itself.--RM (Be my friend) 19:53, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
• Keep but rename/repurpose as proposed by some editors above, as it was the building's destruction (rather than the building itself) that received significant coverage from secondary sources. The article isn't off to a bad start, and it's too early to judge if the topic will lack enduring notability. If it turns out we jumped the gun and it will not be possible to develop the article any further, then it can be merged into another article in the future. Though my current preference is to keep the article, I can understand arguments for merging/redirecting, but not deletion.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 04:07, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
• Keep, but rename to reflect the event rather than the building. Dmarquard (talk) 05:00, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
• Keep. Not only notable as one out many buildings bombed: it also had notable tenants that are involved in the conflict as reporters that inform the public about the ongoing events. Nxavar (talk) 12:57, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

I'm not against moving the page to a subsection of the "2021 Israel–Palestine crisis" article. Considering the length of the article on the main event, discussing this particular event in a separate article seems very appropriate. Nxavar (talk) 13:03, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

Just merged the article's contents with those of the subsection. Nxavar (talk) 13:22, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

• Keep Prominent incident. Make it an article about the attack and not the building itself. IRISZOOM (talk) 10:11, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
• Keep, but rename to something along the lines of "Bombing of the Al-Jalaa building" or "Al-Jalaa bombing". Event is highly notable with extensive media coverage and international political reactions. 64.43.144.9 (talk) 13:31, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
• Keep, but rename to something which mentions the bombing. The details around the back and forth about whether Hamas was present in the building are extensive enough to warrant their own article, I think. Serentty (talk) 21:19, 20 May 2021 (UTC)