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Image of Turing aged 5

Is this image in the public domain? The caption there reads: "Alan Turing, aged 5, Photo [AMT/K/7/2]. Thanks Martinevans123 (talk) 18:04, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Poor use of quote

"He accepted the option of injections of what was then called stilboestrol (now known as diethylstilbestrol or DES), a synthetic oestrogen; this feminization of his body was continued for the course of one year. The treatment rendered Turing impotent and caused breast tissue to form, fulfilling in the literal sense Turing's prediction that "no doubt I shall emerge from it all a different man, but quite who I've not found out". Murray was given a conditional discharge."

I think the emboldened quote takes away from the article. It feels too casual and ironic, which I'm not a fan of. This excerpt from Turing's letter would work better if it was used at the beginning of the section discussing Turing's chemical castration, as it depicts his reaction. In that instance, it would be far more relevant. I would also accept this if Andrew Hodges, the author of one of the citations added to this quote, said something to this effect in his book on Turing (though I would still recommend phrasing it differently to show that this is Hodges' own analysis). This isn't the case however, as Hodges shows no signs of interpreting the quote this way. Instead saying:

"The allusion to the traditional syllogism about Socrates, who drank the hemlock, is an extraordinary piece of black humour. (It also stands as a superb example of how Turing himself fused the elements of his life.) The opening of the letter is perhaps equally remarkable in its absurdly off-hand description of six years of crucial wartime work, and in its inexplicable statement that the work had not involved any travelling."

In my opinion, the editor that wrote this part of the article underhandedly inserted their own analysis of the quote, intentionally or not. This is something that I think violates Wikipedia's neutral point of view and general guidelines on quotes.

I apologize if I seem pompous and headstrong, but this part of the article rubbed me the wrong way. I think this quote should probably be included somewhere in the article, as it provides keen insight on Turing's immediate thoughts on his chemical castration, but it should be incorporated better. Pac-Man PHD (talk) 08:38, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed the offending language. I agree that we shouldn't express editorial opinions about prophetic fulfillment without a source that says just that. I trust that resolves the issue. Skyerise (talk) 11:27, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Please add the category Category:20th-century English LGBT people 170.76.231.175 (talk) 15:18, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:41, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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In the introduction, it is stated that "the evidence is also consistent with accidental poisoning", but there is no citation for that. The BBC article listed as the citation for that paragraph only mentions suicide. It should either be removed, or at least have a citation needed tag. Silversquirl (talk) 00:48, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done The introduction is a summary of the rest of the article which, per MOS:LEADCITE, does not require inline citations unless the claim is likely to be challenged. Since this claim has now been challenged I added a citation from the death section which verifies it. Jamedeus (talk) 02:38, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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"Turing's remains were cremated at Woking Crematorium just two days later on 12 June 1954 with just three people attending"; the citation for this wrongly cites this at page 529, when this is actually in the postscript of the book, at page 665. Furthermore, it would be useful to add that "His mother, brother, and Lyn Newman attended the ceremony.", as opposed to "three people". EHinchliff (talk) 12:36, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I have updated the wording, but just wanted to check if you are using the 1983 edition of Hodges? Martinevans123 (talk) 12:40, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Already done -- Marking this as done per above — BerryForPerpetuity (talk) 12:19, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: we still don't know which edition of the Hodges book User:EHinchliff is using and so don't know if the page number needs updating. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:32, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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-== Compulsory sterilisation ==
+== Image of Turing aged 5 ==
+Is [https://imageamplified.com/the-relevant-queer-alan-turing-mathematician-computer-scientist-and-philosopher-3/ this image] in the public domain? The caption there reads: "Alan Turing, aged 5, Photo [AMT/K/7/2]. Thanks [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 18:04, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
-@[[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]], why is a law that mandates jail time or chemical castration for being a homosexual not an example of [[compulsory sterilization]]? A choice made under duress is not a choice made voluntarily, it is coercion. [[User:Bart Terpstra|Bart Terpstra]] ([[User talk:Bart Terpstra|talk]]) 15:53, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
-:Not the point. [[Chemical castration]], which was mentioned but not linked, is clearly the more relevant term and article, and well-referenced in relation to Turing. Sterilising him was not at all the aim. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 15:58, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
-::Sterilizing homosexuals was, is that not relevant? [[User:Bart Terpstra|Bart Terpstra]] ([[User talk:Bart Terpstra|talk]]) 16:04, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
-::: [[compulsory sterilization]] does not even has a section on the UK. Nor, btw, does [[Chemical castration]] seem to link to compulsory sterilization. I believe what happened to Turing did not technically make him sterile (or not permanently so). Your addition was unreferenced. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 16:29, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
-::::I'll make that section rn to win this argument.
-::::Yes, because chemical castration can be done voluntarily, i'll add a section there to.
-::::Doesn't matter, also uncited and also unlikely, it was intended to make him sterile.
-::::I don't need a reference as it's a common sense factual conclussion from the premises and something freely available in other sources [[Wikipedia:What_SYNTH_is_not#SYNTH_is_not_obvious_II | Synth is not obvious inference]]. [[User:Bart Terpstra|Bart Terpstra]] ([[User talk:Bart Terpstra|talk]]) 16:37, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
-::::: It's definitely not a "common sense conclusion" that the intent was to prevent homosexuals from reproducing, and I don't think it's true.  My understanding was that the intention was to prevent them from engaging in homosexual behavior.  Conceivably the fact that it also made it harder for them to father children was a secondary motive, but that would definitely need to be cited. --[[User:Trovatore|Trovatore]] ([[User talk:Trovatore|talk]]) 20:22, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
-::::::Why does it require that specific intent?
-::::::The page specifies that the rationalization is independent from the concept, there are a lot of rationalisations that were used.
-::::::If my government forcibly sterilize someone because a priest has said god judged them, that's still [[Compulsory sterilization]], even if that specific rationalisation wasn't mentioned on the wikipedia page.
-::::::The essential properties are a government program to by force or coercion sterilize people. [[User:Bart Terpstra|Bart Terpstra]] ([[User talk:Bart Terpstra|talk]]) 20:25, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
-::::::: ''You'' specifically claimed that it was the intent.  You said "[s]terilizing homosexuals was, is that not relevant?".  You have not even shown that "chemical castration" ''results'' in sterilization.  --[[User:Trovatore|Trovatore]] ([[User talk:Trovatore|talk]]) 20:32, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
-::::::::I don't have to proof the sky is blue.
-::::::::Is there a case where chemical castration by coercive government force is not a subset of sterilization by coercive government force?
-::::::::[[Wikipedia:What_SYNTH_is_not#SYNTH_is_not_obvious_II]] [[User:Bart Terpstra|Bart Terpstra]] ([[User talk:Bart Terpstra|talk]]) 20:36, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
-::::::::: Yeah, you do in fact have to prove that chemical castration results in sterilization.  --[[User:Trovatore|Trovatore]] ([[User talk:Trovatore|talk]]) 20:37, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
-::::::::::According to wikipedia.
-::::::::::Castration causes sterilization (preventing the castrated person or animal from reproducing).
-::::::::::However, chemical castration can be reversed if treatment is stopped.
-::::::::::However, this is irrelevant for it to have happened. [[User:Bart Terpstra|Bart Terpstra]] ([[User talk:Bart Terpstra|talk]]) 20:45, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
-::::::::::: Castration (removal of the testicles) of course does cause sterilization, because there are no more sperm.  That's obvious.  "Chemical castration" is not castration, so it is not obvious that it results in sterilization. --[[User:Trovatore|Trovatore]] ([[User talk:Trovatore|talk]]) 20:50, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
-::::Chemical castration does mention compulsory sterilization, it mentions criminals being able to select it to lower their assigned punishment. [[User:Bart Terpstra|Bart Terpstra]] ([[User talk:Bart Terpstra|talk]]) 16:55, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
-:::::I added a precisely relevant link, which was already referenced, to an article on exactly what was done to Turing, and where the article already mentions Turing. You had added an unreferenced OR link to an article that doesn't even mention the UK, never mind Turing. Enough! [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 18:29, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
-:::::[[User:Bart Terpstra|Bart Terpstra]], your argument seems to be entirely specious. Do you have one single source that says Turing underwent "compulsory sterilization"? [[WP:BLUESKY]] is wholly irrelevant. [[Special:Contributions/86.187.232.88|86.187.232.88]] ([[User talk:86.187.232.88|talk]]) 21:13, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
-:@[[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] Note related edit [[Special:Diff/1163828782]]. This appear to fail [[WP:V]], with the first sentence completely unsupported, no mention of his choice between prison and chemical castration, and no label of "compulsory sterilisation" or even his impotence in the provided source. I've opt'd not to revert at this time, but this discussion is spilling across the other two articles as well. Also for disclosure, note this editor has broached this topic in the WP:Discord space and that is how I ended up here, so I won't take action here in view of any canvas concern (or the reverse as the case might be). -- [[User:Ferret|ferret]] ([[User_talk:Ferret|talk]]) 22:03, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
+== Poor use of quote ==
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+"He accepted the option of injections of what was then called stilboestrol (now known as diethylstilbestrol or DES), a synthetic oestrogen; this feminization of his body was continued for the course of one year. The treatment rendered Turing impotent and caused breast tissue to form, '''fulfilling in the literal sense Turing's prediction that "no doubt I shall emerge from it all a different man, but quite who I've not found out".''' Murray was given a conditional discharge."
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-Change “Kjell intend to visit Turing in the UK (…)” to “ Kjell intended to visit Turing in the UK (…)”. This sentence is under personal life, Homosexuality and indecency conviction, paragraph four. [[User:Monumanrutan|Monumanrutan]] ([[User talk:Monumanrutan|talk]]) 23:00, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
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+I think the emboldened quote takes away from the article. It feels too casual and ironic, which I'm not a fan of. This excerpt from Turing's letter would work better if it was used at the beginning of the section discussing Turing's chemical castration, as it depicts his reaction. In that instance, it would be far more relevant. I would also accept this if [[Andrew Hodges]], the author of one of the citations added to this quote, said something to this effect in his book on Turing (though I would still recommend phrasing it differently to show that this is Hodges' own analysis). This isn't the case however, as Hodges shows no signs of interpreting the quote this way. Instead saying:
-== Semi-protected edit request on 29 September 2023 ==
+''"The allusion to the traditional syllogism about Socrates, who drank the hemlock, is an extraordinary piece of black humour. (It also stands as a superb example of how Turing himself fused the elements of his life.) The opening of the letter is perhaps equally remarkable in its absurdly off-hand description of six years of crucial wartime work, and in its inexplicable statement that the work had not involved any travelling."''
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-i really want to add more stuff about alan turings life and his fields like physics [[User:Arhaann|Arhaann]] ([[User talk:Arhaann|talk]]) 16:18, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
-:{{not done}}, an edit request must be accompanied by a detailed and specific description of what changes need to be made, not just a vague personal wish. See [[Wikipedia:Edit requests]]. --[[User:Belbury|Belbury]] ([[User talk:Belbury|talk]]) 16:21, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
+In my opinion, the editor that wrote this part of the article underhandedly inserted their own analysis of the quote, intentionally or not. This is something that I think violates Wikipedia's [[WP:NPOV|neutral point of view]] and [[Wikipedia:Quotations#General_guidelines|general guidelines on quotes]].
-== A very questionable source for a significant claim ==
+I apologize if I seem pompous and headstrong, but this part of the article rubbed me the wrong way. I think this quote should probably be included somewhere in the article, as it provides keen insight on Turing's immediate thoughts on his chemical castration, but it should be incorporated better. [[User:Pac-Man PHD|Pac-Man PHD]] ([[User talk:Pac-Man PHD|talk]]) 08:38, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
-The "Career and research" section includes this:
+:I've removed the offending language. I agree that we shouldn't express editorial opinions about prophetic fulfillment without a source that says just that. I trust that resolves the issue. [[User:Skyerise|Skyerise]] ([[User talk:Skyerise|talk]]) 11:27, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
-"However, official war historian Harry Hinsley estimated that this work shortened the war in Europe by more than two years and saved over 14 million lives."
+== Semi-protected edit request on 16 February 2024 ==
-The source cited for this is a post on CIX, a precursor to the modern internet forums, that claims to be a transcript of a seminar from 1993 by Sir Harry Hinsley, who aside from being a historian also worked at Bletchley Park. The post appears to have been made in 1996 and cites no sources, it's not official and isn't published by either Hinsley or the university where he held the talk.
+{{edit semi-protected|Alan Turing|answered=yes}}
-This all strikes me as some incredibly strange sourcing and I'm not sure this sentence should be included in the article at all. I believe this source fails [[WP:RS]], which states that web forums are rarely regarded as reliable. In this case there is no way to confirm the authenticity of this post or trace the authors.
+Please add the category [[:Category:20th-century English LGBT people]] [[Special:Contributions/170.76.231.175|170.76.231.175]] ([[User talk:170.76.231.175|talk]]) 15:18, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
+:{{done}} Thanks. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 15:41, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
+== Semi-protected edit request on 2 May 2024 ==
-The claim itself is extremely questionable, and in the post Hinsley is quoted as later admitting that Germany would probably have been nuked in 1945. But that's not even really relevant since there's no way to verify that this post even is a real transcript. A random Web 1.0 forum post really doesn't feel like a source that holds up to Wikipedia standards.
+{{Edit semi-protected|Alan Turing|answered=yes}}
-Also the "saved over 14 million lives" part is not mentioned in the post at all.
+In the introduction, it is stated that "the evidence is also consistent with accidental poisoning", but there is no citation for that. The BBC article listed as the citation for that paragraph only mentions suicide. It should either be removed, or at least have a citation needed tag. [[User:Silversquirl|Silversquirl]] ([[User talk:Silversquirl|talk]]) 00:48, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
+:{{done}}<!-- Template:ESp --> The introduction is a summary of the rest of the article which, per [[MOS:LEADCITE]], does not require inline citations unless the claim is likely to be challenged. Since this claim has now been challenged I added a citation from the death section which verifies it. [[User:Jamedeus|Jamedeus]] ([[User talk:Jamedeus|talk]]) 02:38, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
+== Semi-protected edit request on 16 October 2024 ==
-Looking at the edit history, it seems the ''actual'' source from this claim was a newspaper article by Jack Copeland but it was changed on July 3rd 2021 with the reasoning of "Corrected attribution of reduction of war's length" but without actually changing the claims to match what the new source says. [[User:Erika1897|Erika1897]] ([[User talk:Erika1897|talk]]) 13:32, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
+{{Edit semi-protected|Alan Turing|answered=yes}}
-== Image of Turing aged 5 ==
+"Turing's remains were cremated at Woking Crematorium just two days later on 12 June 1954 with just three people attending"; the citation for this wrongly cites this at page 529, when this is actually in the postscript of the book, at page 665. Furthermore, it would be useful to add that "His mother, brother, and Lyn Newman attended the ceremony.", as opposed to "three people". [[User:EHinchliff|EHinchliff]] ([[User talk:EHinchliff|talk]]) 12:36, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
-Is [https://imageamplified.com/the-relevant-queer-alan-turing-mathematician-computer-scientist-and-philosopher-3/ this image] in the public domain? The caption there reads: "Alan Turing, aged 5, Photo [AMT/K/7/2]. Thanks [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 18:04, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
+:Thanks. I have updated the wording, but just wanted to check if you are using the 1983 edition of Hodges? [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 12:40, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
+:{{already done}}<!-- Template:ESp --> --  Marking this as done per above —&nbsp;[[User:BerryForPerpetuity|<span style="download;font-family:Noto Sans Mono, Verdana">BerryForPerpetuity</span>]] [[User talk:BerryForPerpetuity|<span style="">(talk)</span>]] 12:19, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
+::* Note: we still don't know which edition of the Hodges book [[User:EHinchliff]] is using and so don't know if the page number needs updating. Thanks. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 12:32, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
-== Unnecessary quote ==
-"He accepted the option of injections of what was then called stilboestrol (now known as diethylstilbestrol or DES), a synthetic oestrogen; this feminization of his body was continued for the course of one year. The treatment rendered Turing impotent and caused breast tissue to form, '''fulfilling in the literal sense Turing's prediction that "no doubt I shall emerge from it all a different man, but quite who I've not found out".''' Murray was given a conditional discharge."
-I think the emboldened quote takes away from the article. It feels too casual and ironic, which I'm not a fan of. This quote would work better if it was used at the beginning of the section discussing Turing's chemical castration, as it depicts his reaction. In that instance, it would be far more relevant. I would also accept this if [[Andrew Hodges]], the author of one of the citations added to this quote, said something to this effect in his book on Turing (though I would still recommend phrasing it differently to show that this is Hodges' own analysis). This isn't the case however, as Hodges shows no signs of interpreting the quote this way. Instead saying:
-''"The allusion to the traditional syllogism about Socrates, who drank the hemlock, is an extraordinary piece of black humour. (It also stands as a superb example of how Turing himself fused the elements of his life.) The opening of the letter is perhaps equally remarkable in its absurdly off-hand description of six years of crucial wartime work, and in its inexplicable statement that the work had not involved any travelling."''
-In my opinion, the editor that wrote this part of the article underhandedly inserted their own evaluation of the quote, intentionally or not. This is something that I think violates Wikipedia's [[WP:NPOV|neutral point of view]] and [[Wikipedia:Quotations#General_guidelines|general guidelines on quotes]].
-I apologize if I seem pompous and headstrong, but this part of the article rubbed me the wrong way. I think this quote should probably be included somewhere in the article, as it provides keen insight on Turing's immediate thoughts on his chemical castration, but it should be incorporated better. [[User:Pac-Man PHD|Pac-Man PHD]] ([[User talk:Pac-Man PHD|talk]]) 08:38, 31 January 2024 (UTC)