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Please leave messages regarding articles on article talk pages. This page is for more personal stuff (friendly messages and queries, that sort of thing). [[User:Haploidavey|Haploidavey]] ([[User talk:Haploidavey#top|talk]]) 07:45, 30 July 2024 (UTC)


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== Requesting some copy edit help ==
== Missing ? ==
Hello Haploidavey,<br>
Greetings @[[User:Haploidavey|Haploidavey]]
You are on the list at [[Wikipedia:Missing Wikipedians#T]]. Are you back? Regards, [[user:220 of Borg|'''220''']] [[Special:Contributions/220 of Borg|''<small>of</small>'']] <sup>[[User talk:220 of Borg|''ßorg'']]</sup> 07:14, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
:Pretty much, though on and off. I've removed my name from that list; not at all sure why the list exists in the first place. What's its function? What's its purpose? Its accuracy is just the pits. I've created no more than 6 articles, not 1600 +. And predictably enough, my name is under "H", not "T". [[User:Haploidavey|Haploidavey]] ([[User talk:Haploidavey#top|talk]]) 07:36, 14 March 2021 (UTC)


Hi, I am [[User:Bookku]], On Wikipedia I engage in, finding information and knowledge gap areas in Wikipedia and promoting expansion of related drafts and articles. Came across your edit at [[Amphitheatre]] ([[xtools:pageinfo/en.wikipedia.org/Amphitheatre|Xtools]]).
:Lest I seem more churlish than I actually am (?), thank you for your concern, and your message! [[User:Haploidavey|Haploidavey]] ([[User talk:Haploidavey#top|talk]]) 08:01, 14 March 2021 (UTC)


Requesting you to visit [[Draft:Rabindra Rangshala]] (tentatively planned to release as stub) and help it's copy edit if the topic would interest you.[[User:Bookku|&#32;Bookku ]] ([[User talk:Bookku|talk]]) 07:16, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
::{{Facepalm}} Sorry about the erroneous link. I had just added someone to the 'T' section and copied the link without realising that by then I was then looking at an editor, yourself, in a different alpha section. {{P|blush}} [[user:220 of Borg|'''220''']] [[Special:Contributions/220 of Borg|''<small>of</small>'']] <sup>[[User talk:220 of Borg|''ßorg'']]</sup> 08:51, 14 March 2021 (UTC)


== Primary sources and classical history ==
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From your edit message, {{tq|no primaries as yet, and none offered as evidence in secondary. Do we really need them[?]}}. I'll explain for a moment what I think of the topic because I'm pushing for it. Using primary sources in classics is fraught with problems. But they are at the same time absolutely vital. There are a number of factors to balance:
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The way I think those factors should be balanced is by parallel citation. We can't use the primary sources themselves for us to draw conclusions with ([[WP:PRIMARY]]). But we can cite reliable secondary sources which use those primary sources to draw conclusions. When we do so, however, because just pointing to that secondary source isn't very helpful at a glance, the best affordance I think is to note the secondary source's citation to the primary source when it is available and relevant. [[User:Ifly6|Ifly6]] ([[User talk:Ifly6|talk]]) 16:40, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
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:Done. [[User:Haploidavey|Haploidavey]] ([[User talk:Haploidavey#top|talk]]) 06:40, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

==Will get back to you==
Thanks for your detailed thoughts re the photos I uploaded and you deleted. I understand your reasons for doing so. Am really busy at the moment but will write to you soon (hopefully tomorrow) with all the details about the reconstructed Roman fashions. Cheers, [[User:John Hill|John Hill]] ([[User talk:John Hill|talk]]) 07:58, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

===Hi again===
Thanks for your supportive notes. Here is what I remember about the exhibition: My wife and I were in Taiwan when we visited a major exhibition of Roman antiquities mounted by the University of Florence/Firenze held at the Chiang Kai-shek Memorial in down-town Taipei. I made a number of photos of some of the exhibits. From them I have been able to identify and upload photos of a number of statues from the exhibition to the WP.

About the "reconstructed Roman fashions" it was said they had been "reconstructed" from what they could learn from fragments of fabrics found in archaeological sites combined with what is known from paintings. Unfortunately, most of the notes on the exhibits are very fuzzy in my photos - though I have been able to decipher most by enlarging and sharpening them on my computer. Which leaves us with the question - are these fashion "reconstructions" worthy of inclusion in the WP?

You may be interested in checking out this official website about the exhibition: https://www.moc.gov.tw/en/information_197_76904.html.

I have just discovered a video of a fashion show including all the fashions I photographed. You can see it at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6HZ1RnGFwI

Other than that, I don't know what to say about whether the photos deserve to be in Wikipedia. I find them of real interest - and I think others may too - but I understand the necessity to have things of real notability only. Do you think that if I include the references to both websites as well, it would be enough??? Please give me your frank opinion. Best wishes, [[User:John Hill|John Hill]] ([[User talk:John Hill|talk]]) 00:32, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

:[[User:John Hill|Hi again]]. I'll answer here, just so we have the links above for common reference. I've thunk and thunk again about this, but can't think of any way to manage the material according to basic Wikipedia standards. It's not so much a matter of notability, more of scholarly relevance and credentials. The official website (linked above) doesn't have much to say, but what it does say has obviously not been proofed or reviewed by anyone familiar with Roman history;

:"After the death of Gordianus III, the last Roman emperor, centuries of prosperity under autocratic rule ended in 244 A.D."

:Ouch! several times over. We can't link the article to a site that makes such basic errors.

:The YouTube link is nice to watch, but has nothing to say about the content shown.

:Sorry to say it, (because I too find them interesting) but I don't think we can use the photos, because although the claim (of reconstruction) can be made in good faith, it can't be substantiated or clearly described with reference to scholarly works on specific styles, fabrics etc., or at least one positive scholarly review of the project itself, and its outcomes. In other words, verifiability applies. But that's just my opinion; please do feel free to discuss all this at the article talk-page. With sincere regards, [[User:Haploidavey|Haploidavey]] ([[User talk:Haploidavey#top|talk]]) 06:32, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

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== Epithets, Heliopolitans ==

Drifting away from Talk:Ares, I wonder if [[Venus (mythology)#Epithets]] could usfefully be broken up into Roman and Syncretic? The first would be closer to the tighter definition of epithet (cf rosy-fingered dawn, Pythian Apollo) and the latter the ''interpretatio'' identifications. I see [[Epithets of Jupiter]] has much this approach.{{pb}}
At first glance [[Heliopolitan Triad]], sourced only to a deleted page on a tourism website, wouldn't survive AfD. The source text can be found on other tourism sites but still shouldn't count as [[WP:RS]]. On the other hand, you yourself have pointed to other texts that refer to the idea of that triad, so someone might rescue the article by using them to describe it as a theory that's challenged. Of course you might do a better job of that than a passing ARS member. :) [[User:NebY|NebY]] ([[User talk:NebY|talk]]) 19:00, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
:Hm, hadn't thought of dividing the epithets; there are a few that I'd not be very confident in repositioning; ''Venus Heliopolitana'' is one (as Doug says on the talk-page, it's out there and should be addressed) ''en passant'' to the scrap-heap of excessively joined-up ideas that seemed self-evident for a decade or two. Ah, those heady syncretic days of yore. ''Venus Calva'' is (I'm guessing) another, though for very different reasons. Literary, I suppose? Folk-history? Don't you feel burnt out? I do, a bit, and am going to Wales for hols at the end of the week, to recoup. [[User:Haploidavey|Haploidavey]] ([[User talk:Haploidavey#top|talk]]) 19:15, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
::Hols and recouping sounds like a good plan! I've burnt out on Wikipedia before and I'm trying to manage it better now. This genuinely collaborative editing's been a joy after some of the contentious areas I've been in - who knew units of measurement would be so rough? I might stay with Olympians a little longer; I think I've found any easy way to restructure kids' tables, and I've discovered the appallingly titled [[Hermes#Lovers and children]] so I can't stop now. :) [[User:NebY|NebY]] ([[User talk:NebY|talk]]) 22:37, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
:::What a title! Most promising! I'm somewhere in the talk archives of the Hermes article (several years back, iirc), responding ineffectually to the dumping of an immense quantity of oddly sourced and suspect material from the Portuguese Wikipedia version. I've a vague memory that google's auto-translate came into play, with less than admirable results. I intended a massive reversion until someone stepped in and started to deal with the worst of it. Then I forgot all about it. [[User:Haploidavey|Haploidavey]] ([[User talk:Haploidavey#top|talk]]) 07:20, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

== /* Biblical account */ Adding a clear note about the type of dance performed by Salome ==

Hi Haploidavey. Thank you for show me that the information was already on the article. I was wondering how we can imrpove it in order to remove that alert about the article may fail to make a clear distinction between fact and fiction. That's why I though if adding that part could help. Do you have any suggestion how we can improve that article?
Thank you again for your help
[[User:TL-WP-CA|TL-WP-CA]] ([[User talk:TL-WP-CA|talk]]) 04:19, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

:Answered on editor's talk-page. [[User:Haploidavey|Haploidavey]] ([[User talk:Haploidavey#top|talk]]) 06:25, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

== Images at [[Venus (mythology)]] ==

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==Re: No problem, except...==
Congratulations on finding Brinkmann's book... :-) I managed to fix the ref above malformed. [[User:LukeWiller|LukeWiller]] ([[User talk:LukeWiller|talk]]) 22:04, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

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== Excellent! ==

[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ares&diff=prev&oldid=1061209383&diffmode=source] quite cheered me up. [[User:NebY|NebY]] ([[User talk:NebY|talk]]) 12:22, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

:Hey [[User:NebY|NebY]]! Very nice to hear from you. I still get a buzz from reading and editing the [[Ares]] article. A lovely example of creative cooperation, and despite the occasionally gruesome subject matter, one of the most enjoyable to work on. So many surprises. [[User:Haploidavey|Haploidavey]] ([[User talk:Haploidavey#top|talk]]) 16:37, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
::I think it was the most enjoyable and fruitful collaboration I've had on Wikipedia! Unfolded in ways I never expected, achieved more and even left me with a new (very minor) skill. Thank you! [[User:NebY|NebY]] ([[User talk:NebY|talk]]) 21:28, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
:::Yes, it was pretty darned special, [[User:NebY|NebY]]! [[User:Haploidavey|Haploidavey]] ([[User talk:Haploidavey#top|talk]]) 08:01, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

== About your revision in the Satyr section ==

"Reasons given for restoration of Macrobius' inexpert etymologising miss the point. His opinion is part of the word's history, which is "fact" (that is, evidenvced by written sources) even when incorrect. I don't follow the editor's objection or reasoning. It seems to have rather missed the point"

You said this as reasoning to why you made that edit, but if that is true, a person could just add anything so long as it's apart of history. Why should anyone have to know that a person theorized "Saturn + Penis = Satyr" in opinionated theory. That's not relevant information. People could just get the wrong idea and think it's an actual thing. Even if it is apart of history that this person said this, that doesn't make it relevant. It's just a meaningless theory in comparison to something that was actually right like the part on the wiki that speaks about the "Sat" prefix and stuff like how the Satyr race was Romanized as Fauns and Faunus being related to Saturn.

It's really a pain to just see how that connection between Saturn and Satyr get dumped on when you google between the two. No other place used that piece of information just because of its irrelevancy except for here. But with my edit, it shows what should be the thing shown to people when they google Saturn and Satyr that's relevant https://files.catbox.moe/2063nr.PNG

::@[[User:Netero10|Netero10]] ''Please'' read and digest the Welcome message I left on ''your'' talk-page, and use the [[Satyr]] talk page to voice any objections to the article content. We might even develop a version that represents agreement between us. In any event, you've now restored the disputed content four times today, and you risk being blocked from editing for that. And ''please'' remember to sign your posts on talk-pages (four tildes will automatically produce a signature) like so: [[User:Haploidavey|Haploidavey]] ([[User talk:Haploidavey#top|talk]]) 14:46, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

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Sorry but it was and is blocked. Pages opened for editing tell me I can't edit, and place the following om my talk-page.

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Oh dear. How do I disable my proxy/vpn? Will logging out for 24 hours do that? [[User:Haploidavey|Haploidavey]] ([[User talk:Haploidavey#top|talk]]) 17:21, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
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::I downloaded the recent update for Mac OS late last night, and Bitdefender didn't seem to like it when I turned my mac back on. Then it was completely normal until mid-afternoon, when it started blocking me out from editing all pages except this. My iphone is not affected. I have just found out how to turn off the proxy/vpn. I'll try as you suggested, thank you. [[User:Haploidavey|Haploidavey]] ([[User talk:Haploidavey#top|talk]]) 17:31, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
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::::You've been very helpful. It amazes me how far computing seems to have advanced - to the point where even the best informed of us (meaning you, not me) has to use bold intuition as much as logic, just to keep up with what sometimes seems, year by year, more like an organic and self-determining life-form than a mere machine! Scary stuff. Thanks again. [[User:Haploidavey|Haploidavey]] ([[User talk:Haploidavey#top|talk]]) 17:53, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

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When I am able to log in for my actual account of which I have over 500 edits, contributed monthly through donations for years and have been a member an equal time. I fully intend to audit every page associated with the perpetuation of racism. Your insistence on pushing false information is both disturbing and saddening. Spectemur Agendo! [[User:EyesNeedle|EyesNeedle]] ([[User talk:EyesNeedle|talk]]) 08:44, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

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== Editing ==

OK im sorry [[User:Akaora|Akaora]] ([[User talk:Akaora|talk]]) 12:42, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

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== Ares ==

You are either quibbling over the word “ while” (unlikely) or you did not revert what you thought you reverted. Either way, I suggest you take another look. Good luck. [[User:Kleuske|Kleuske]] ([[User talk:Kleuske|talk]]) 10:41, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

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== Spartacus ==

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The revision I made to the Spartacus page referenced a connection to the film Gladiator (2000) and I used that film's Wikipedia page as a citation, which directly mentions the historical character of Spartacus. Please review this and perhaps correct my edit in a more suitable way. Thank you. [[User:Tenamazti|Tenamazti]] ([[User talk:Tenamazti|talk]]) 07:05, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

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== A barnstar for you ==

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== Hello! ==

First, let me say that one of the things I most miss about contributing to Wikipedia is collaborating with you. And amen to the Barnstar above. I happened upon that article by accident recently and wondered how it managed to be so sound, then thought "This has Haploidavey's style all over it" and was pleased to be found right in the history. I've thought of you and other congenial Wikipedians over the years with much admiration and indeed affection.

But I try not to look at anything now but articles for "almanac" kinds of information (with exceptions below), as I wearied of the combat.

I'm working on something outside, however, that brings me at times to [[Sexuality in ancient Rome]] to scavenge for some sources I used there, and I'm concerned that the article is becoming a repository of images not necessarily chosen to illustrate a particular section. An uncharitable view would be that contributors enjoy publishing the dirty pictures those naughty Romans made; or to be more charitable, maybe they are happily discovering the vast trove of Roman erotica and generously sharing it with The World. For example, a wall painting of rear-entry sex is now placed in the section on Epicurean (Lucretian) theories of sex. This is potentially apt, but currently the illustration belongs in the positions section (illustrations of which are now scattered randomly throughout) with the mention of Lucretius's view of the "doggy" position as more likely to promote conception. Or it should have a caption that relates it to the Epicurean section in which it currently appears, such as the statement from the article that "Lucretius recommends 'doggy style' for couples trying to conceive," though it would still strike me as unduly prurient in the philosophy section.

Too many images, especially those not corralled into galleries, throws off the alignment of those actually chosen to illustrate the topic. It does seem rather otiose to chose images that may be interesting but are offered without textual context. Some images repeat content already illustrated by images. If a better illustration exists of that which is described, then an image ought to be replaced. If an image depicts something that is inadequately covered in the text, or enlarges on the text, then the caption needs to be more informative (and supported by a note if it's adding verbal content). "Erotic art of ancient Rome" would of course make for an extensive article of its own, if done with the intellectual discipline of an editor such as [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]]. A caption such as "Wall painting from Pompeii" may be informative enough ''if'' the image is placed directly adjacent to text that describes what we are seeing. It is uninformative elsewhere if the caption doesn't explain why the image is chosen.

I'm not suggesting that you raise your shield, though I suppose it would be disingenuous of me not to acknowledge what a good defender you are. (That "Do I?" in a conversation above tickles me more than it should.) I'm just saying that the importance of Wikipedia has grown (I'm a bit appalled at its privileging by ChatGPT and the like) to an extent that requires a more methodical approach that acknowledges, for example, that images are a form of content, and their inclusion ought to be justified just as that of text is.

I was also saddened by the misguided revision of the opening sentences in [[Languages of the Roman Empire]] by someone who apparently doesn't understand the importance and role of Greek in the Roman Empire as distinguished from the Republic, which means that this someone hasn't actually read and understood the article and how Greek versus Latin is one of the clearest expressions both of the formation of an entity we call an "empire" that drew of the remains of Alexander's and for the ultimate schism of that empire into Western and Eastern. Latin was not the "official" language of the Roman Empire in the sense in which the editor probably means, given the assertively ugly little box at the top, and this assertion is not cited; in fact, the article states "Latin was NOT imposed officially on peoples brought under Roman rule," with citation. So this is undue emphasis, and the assertion is neither sourced nor supported by the article. If one searches the word "official" in the article, the position supported by the actual sources manifests, and it emerges that Latin was used in official communications such as imperial edicts and written laws (and therefore in the Roman army), which as you know relates also to the keeping of religious records and the Roman legalistic emphasis on precise wording. The situation does not meet the definition of [[official language]], and the linguistic situation in fact expresses the characteristic pluralism of the Roman Empire. Surely this grievous and to my ears chauvinist misconception IN THE FIRST SENTENCE did not occur during a GA review?

I wish I could enjoy contributing to Wikipedia occasionally because I miss it and I miss the Greek and Roman crew, but I will probably never get over how much intellectual blood was spilled over the birthday of Marcus Antonius, a mortifying talk page, fortunately archived, that belongs on the list of infamy, though I can't remember what WP calls the page where those tempests in a teapot are immortalized.

Logging off and signing out. Best wishes to you always, my friend! [[User:Cynwolfe|Cynwolfe]] ([[User talk:Cynwolfe|talk]]) 19:35, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

:I barely know where to begin. So very pleased to hear from you, thankful for the compliments and shocked at your mortifying talk-page "disagreement". This place can be truly dreadful. At the time and up to ten minutes ago I had no idea that was going on, except that you seemed to have suddenly withdrawn from editing here. As ever, there's much to be said, probably more than ''can'' be said but even that must wait until tomorrow. Again, it's lovely to hear from you again and (by the way) you're very welcome to use my email if you wish. [[User:Haploidavey|Haploidavey]] ([[User talk:Haploidavey#top|talk]]) 19:49, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

== Question ==

why do you say restored revision instead of undid revision? [[User:Ghost Cacus|Ghost Cacus]] ([[User talk:Ghost Cacus|talk]]) 17:51, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

:What's this to do with? If you can link to the relevant diff, I'll answer as best I can; meanwhile... in order to restore a previous revision, the current revision and any intervening revisions must be undone. It's as simple as that. [[User:Haploidavey|Haploidavey]] ([[User talk:Haploidavey#top|talk]]) 18:02, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
::No I mean when you revert an edit it says restored revision instead of undid revision. i'm just wondering why it says that. [[User:Ghost Cacus|Ghost Cacus]] ([[User talk:Ghost Cacus|talk]]) 18:05, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
:::Why not? The expression and its meaning are straightforward and unmistakeable. [[User:Haploidavey|Haploidavey]] ([[User talk:Haploidavey#top|talk]]) 18:14, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
::::Got it. It kinda feels nicer for some reason. [[User:Ghost Cacus|Ghost Cacus]] ([[User talk:Ghost Cacus|talk]]) 18:15, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
:::::That's nice to hear [[User:Haploidavey|Haploidavey]] ([[User talk:Haploidavey#top|talk]]) 18:18, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

== Restored revision in [[Venus]] ==

Hi, thanks for your edits [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Venus_(mythology)&diff=prev&oldid=1159816905] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Venus_(mythology)&oldid=prev&diff=1159817518]. Please notice that you summarized your edits as revertings of my edits, when in fact you reverted [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Venus_(mythology)&diff=next&oldid=1154277451 this] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Venus_(mythology)&diff=prev&oldid=1159817224 this] edits. If that's ok, I'll ask the Administrators to hide your edit summary. [[User:פעמי-עליון|פעמי-עליון]] ([[User talk:פעמי-עליון|talk]]) 18:53, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
:Sorry for that. They might or might not hide the offending edit summary, but if they do, I'd be happy with that. I'm finding the new editing interface really hard to use. [[User:Haploidavey|Haploidavey]] ([[User talk:Haploidavey#top|talk]]) 20:52, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
:Haploidavey, I hope you don't mind me butting in. {{replyto|פעמי-עליון}}, Those edit summaries don't say your edits were reverted. On the contrary, they say your edits were restored, in preference to the intervening edits which were reverted.
:For future reference, administrators on this wiki will not usually conceal misleading edit summaries unless they're also (for example) particularly uncivil or defamatory, or reveal personal information that should remain private - see [[WP:REVDEL]] for other criteria and further information. [[User:NebY|NebY]] ([[User talk:NebY|talk]]) 21:07, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
::Thanks so much for that, [[User:NebY]]. I'm not really up to editing currently, or appraising my own work, and I'm finding the new interface strange and difficult to use. I didn't even check what I'd written though I did have a feeling, based on past experience, that edit summaries couldn't be hidden for minor or harmless inaccuracies... Hoping things are well for you! [[User:Haploidavey|Haploidavey]] ([[User talk:Haploidavey#top|talk]]) 22:02, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
:::Oh, [[User:Haploidavey|Haploidavey]], I'm so sorry. I got to notifications in Hebrew (in the Hebrew wikipedia) saying "your edit was reverted" with links to you edits, and it made me to confuse between the verbs retreving and restoring. So soory for misaccuse you... And Thanks for the explanation, [[User:NebY|NebY]]. [[User:פעמי-עליון|פעמי-עליון]] ([[User talk:פעמי-עליון|talk]]) 22:12, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
::::Ah good!
::::{{Replyto|Haploidavey}} we all need a break from this place sometimes or at least to take it easy, but getting knocked back by the new interface doesn't sound like fun! I tried it for a while before the big roll-out, hoping it would seem natural after a while, but eventually it was clear that key things were more awkward and too little had improved so I switched back. Have you found switching to "Vector 2010 (legacy)" at Preferences | Appearance ([[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering]]) helps at all? [[User:NebY|NebY]] ([[User talk:NebY|talk]]) 01:45, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
:::::Somehow or other, I missed out on Big Rollout Day; or more probably, I remained unaware as it steamrollered over me. I've been using Vector 2010 for yonks. Or at least, my preferences say I have. So I guess I'll just try getting used to its odd "improvements" and ignore my watchlist for a couple of days. That includes the article we developed jointly (it needs more work but it remains one of my favourites). Thanks for being there, [[User:NebY|Neby]]; [[User:Haploidavey|Haploidavey]] ([[User talk:Haploidavey#top|talk]]) 08:44, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

== Howdy ==

So I saw some reservations you expressed somewhere about new interface stuff. The one I'm most perplexed by, if you could possibly save me buckets of time figuring it out, is why the heck there are now some 4,000 things on my watchlist. I see article pages listed that I am quite certain I did not mark to watch. Does this question make any sense? I haven't checked my watchlist for, oh, maybe as long as eight years, so a change in its composition would not need to be recent! [[User:Cynwolfe|Cynwolfe]] ([[User talk:Cynwolfe|talk]]) 20:35, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

:And howdy Cyn to ye, an'all. I wish I could help but I can't. I'm sure it all makes sense to someone, but not me. Perhaps a recognised glitch? I occasionally see titles arising on my watchlist from template based, boilerplate edits (or warnings, really) I've performed with Twinkle, mostly to IP accounts hosting persistent malefactors. Once I'm done there (because the IP address has been blocked or less commonly, educated in the constructive ways of Wikipedia) I generally take the page off watch. What you describe seems to me like an automated, programmed mark-up. New personal pages (used to develop articles) also remain on watch unless taken off. It occurs to me that you might have a host of such pages. Have you scrutinised all your sub-pages and your "Preferences" page? [[User:Haploidavey|Haploidavey]] ([[User talk:Haploidavey#top|talk]]) 21:00, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Oy Yo... have you had a look at the Guidance notes for Watchlist use and management?? See [[Help:Watching pages]] [[User:Haploidavey|Haploidavey]] ([[User talk:Haploidavey#top|talk]]) 21:13, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
:Thank you. I scrutinized for a mere 20 seconds before panicking. Similarly, when I first returned, I soon had a heart attack when someone took the image of Marcus Aurelius sacrificing out of the ancient Roman religion template and replaced it with that very nice statue of [[Cybele]]. ''Cybele.'' I had utterly forgotten how to edit a graphics box and went wailing to P Aculeius. [[User:Cynwolfe|Cynwolfe]] ([[User talk:Cynwolfe|talk]]) 21:45, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

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== Caligula ==

I was just adjusting what was already there which was out of date. [[Special:Contributions/32.214.191.219|32.214.191.219]] ([[User talk:32.214.191.219|talk]]) 22:43, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

== Reasons why Deleting Edits ==

Hello mr Haploidavey. Ive just noticed that you deleted my edits. I asked sorry and forgiveness. Why you cant unblock me??? Im sorry but now I wanna help and I want to add or delete informations in pages so I can make them accurate. Wikipedia Is supposed to telling the truth [[Special:Contributions/2A02:587:1F04:1700:509:BD1E:EA1F:5CAA|2A02:587:1F04:1700:509:BD1E:EA1F:5CAA]] ([[User talk:2A02:587:1F04:1700:509:BD1E:EA1F:5CAA|talk]]) 12:02, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

:Before you are allowed to edit anything here (in articles or on talk-pages, including this one) your block must be lifted. You've been told this many times; see [[WP:unblock]]. [[User:Haploidavey|Haploidavey]] ([[User talk:Haploidavey#top|talk]]) 12:23, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
::OK please unblock me. Ill do anything but please unblock me. [[Special:Contributions/2A02:587:1F04:1700:D0CB:CBAA:DCC8:D54C|2A02:587:1F04:1700:D0CB:CBAA:DCC8:D54C]] ([[User talk:2A02:587:1F04:1700:D0CB:CBAA:DCC8:D54C|talk]]) 14:26, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
::Please its very important [[Special:Contributions/2A02:587:1F04:1700:D0CB:CBAA:DCC8:D54C|2A02:587:1F04:1700:D0CB:CBAA:DCC8:D54C]] ([[User talk:2A02:587:1F04:1700:D0CB:CBAA:DCC8:D54C|talk]]) 14:27, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
:I'll put this as simply as I can. I don't think you should be unblocked. Even if I thought you should be unblocked, I couldn't unblock you, because I am not an administrator. Only administrators can block users, and only administrators can unblock them. I hope that's clear. [[User:Haploidavey|Haploidavey]] ([[User talk:Haploidavey#top|talk]]) 14:34, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

== WP unrelated ==
Hi Davey, many many years ago we collaborated on various topics, I hope you still remember me, and I also hope you are still healthy and happy. You hepled me a lot at that time and I remember you were a well educated man with a sense of humor and with a great interest in ancient Rome. And this is important at the moment. I'm no longer very active on Wikipedia, as my profession now (I see it rather as a mission, btw) is that I'm a mayor of a small market town in [[South Moravia]]. Aside of my work as the administrator of my town (planning and realizing various improvements for better living of our people, making it a better place with sustainable future for our kids etc.), I have great interest in the history of the place where I live. I often write popular history articles for our local magazine. Some time ago, I found in the old press some marginal information about a gold Roman coin found in my town at the beginning of the 20th century. It's not that unusual in my region, there was a [[Roman fort, Mušov|Roman fort]] near the place where I live (actually, I wrote the article about [[Mušov]]!). I suspect that many people with metal detectors, who often wander in the countryside around, store in their garages many treasures, and not only Roman. Great damage for history studies. It is a golden [[aureus]] from the era of the emperor Nero, dated 54-68 AD, similar to [https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces246233.html this one](?) At least the description in a source (I've never seen our coin) suggests it might be a very similar piece. My question is - do you have any knowledge about the historical background of the coin, or maybe about the inscription ''Ianum Clusit Pace Populo Romano Terra Marique Parta'' and its broader historical meaning? Maybe you could point me to interesting sources regarding this area? I'd appreciate any assistance with the topic and of course I'd cite you as a co-author if I'd write anything for our local paper. Unfortunately I can't provide more specific information, all I found is few mentions in old Czech historical journals.

Davey, do not waste your time if you don't have interest in my amateurish digging, it just came to my mind that you were probably the most educated person in the field of history of ancient Rome that I've ever met. Have a good time, old friend.

Thank you.

Antonín [[User:Vejvančický|Vejvančický]] ([[User_talk:Vejvančický|talk]] / [[Special:Contributions/Vejvančický|contribs]]) 11:01, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

:Hi, the coin is about the closure of the [[Temple of Janus (Roman Forum)|Temple of Janus]], which celebrated periods of peace. Nero closed the door in 65 AD. See [https://www.arsclassicacoins.com/catalogues/auction-131/ here] for more details (p. 17). [[User:T8612|<span style="color:yellow;background-color:navy">T8612</span>]] [[User talk:T8612|(talk)]] 14:39, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
::Hi [[User:T8612|T8612]], great help - thank you! [[User:Vejvančický|Vejvančický]] ([[User_talk:Vejvančický|talk]] / [[Special:Contributions/Vejvančický|contribs]]) 06:21, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
:::[[User:T8612|T8612]] is an exceptionally helpful and supportive editor (and is definitely my favourite numismatist)! [[User:Vejvančický|Antonin]], it's really nice to hear from you, as ever. Your support for your community is a rare gift. I've followed your progress via your user-page here; my own editing has stalled somewhat on the sheer, scarcely believable dreadfulness of Caligula's reputation. I'm soothing myself with regular, liberal doses of choral singing (baritone). I'll be happy to keep an eye out for Rome-related aspects of Moravian history (in English language sources; none come to mind in particular as yet, but surely something will. [[User:Haploidavey|Haploidavey]] ([[User talk:Haploidavey#top|talk]]) 08:37, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
::::Thanks, I used the source for my article. There was some useful stuff and I've also learned something about the colourful character of Nero! Not a boring companion :D Take care Davey. [[User:Vejvančický|Vejvančický]] ([[User_talk:Vejvančický|talk]] / [[Special:Contributions/Vejvančický|contribs]]) 15:46, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

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== Look at this! ==

[[File:20141108- DSC1467 (15894143645).jpg|thumb|At [[Timgad]], Algeria]]
I just happened a second time upon the astonishing Commons category of [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Ancient_Roman_funerary_steles_in_Timgad Ancient Roman funerary steles in Timgad]. I had meant to ask you the first time whether you had seen these or come upon something about them in researching [[Roman funerary practices]]. Can this possibly be built-in dishes for food offerings for the dead? I remember one time reading that Roman tombs might have a "feeding tube" for administering wine, but I had never seen anything like this before, and it isn't the only one on Commons. And look: ''the Christian fish.''

Despite the bounty of photos the wonderful contributor provided, there is very little information given. [[User:Cynwolfe|Cynwolfe]] ([[User talk:Cynwolfe|talk]]) 16:59, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

:Hiya [[User:Cynwolfe|Cyn!]] Lovely to hear from you, as ever, and what an interesting post you write, as ever. I've never seen the like before, but my ignorance has never obstructed my making free with opinions; so here we go. Centre of slab are a single fish and a single loaf of bread (the latter of typical Roman type). To left and right, little dishes for libation, and below them, representations of spoons and dishes with somethings in them (melons or something like?) The figure looks to me like a young female, head demurely covered but with one of those unpleasantly tight hair-do's (the legend gives what seems like CAECILIA MATUTINA (were it not for the location - Timgard, rather than Latium) and below that (correction!) anno XX1 (presumably her age). Look, I'm just guessing... I'll do an image search. Surely something will turn up. Though sometimes a fish is just a fish. [[User:Haploidavey|Haploidavey]] ([[User talk:Haploidavey#top|talk]]) 17:22, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

:There are a few, slightly more legible pics of the same; but I can find no commentaries at all. As yet. Did you notice the one of two people having a cuddle? Awww [[User:Haploidavey|Haploidavey]] ([[User talk:Haploidavey#top|talk]]) 17:43, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
::Or maybe not awww. Quite a few have two slightly chubby male figues (some embracing, some not) with bulls. Some figures carry an object in their right hand - oddly textured. Hatched? Some rams too... and possible tauroboleum? Some seem to refer to several different rites on the one gravestone. [[User:Haploidavey|Haploidavey]] ([[User talk:Haploidavey#top|talk]]) 18:02, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
:::Yes, I did notice the cuddle! I had that same delighted reaction. The sculptor brought so much warmth and affection if it's the one I'm thinking. Since Timgad is a UNESCO World Heritage Site, I thought it would be easy to find information, but it was not on the cemetery. I got the impression that all or most of the photos were by the same contributor, so maybe it's just that obscure a site. Some people while away the time looking at TikToks; I scroll through photo galleries on Commons. And I often stumble on inscriptions and objects that I can't readily find scholarship on. So please do share if in the course of things you find something interesting. Happy holidays! [[User:Cynwolfe|Cynwolfe]] ([[User talk:Cynwolfe|talk]]) 17:42, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

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:Thank you, [[User:StarTrekker|Trekker]]. The same to you, with bells on! [[User:Haploidavey|Haploidavey]] ([[User talk:Haploidavey#top|talk]]) 10:38, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

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<small>''I'm not sure I'm doing this greeting card thing right, so I'm trying it first with you who have tolerated my previous defacements of your talk page &nbsp;…''</small> [[User:Cynwolfe|Cynwolfe]] ([[User talk:Cynwolfe|talk]]) 16:50, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

:My hero! Great stuff. Deface away... I like it, but what is Father Time looking at?! Perhaps something he shouldn't be looking at? Great physique, for an intrigued geezer. Curious and curiouser... I think you and I have great things ahead [[User:Haploidavey|Haploidavey]] ([[User talk:Haploidavey#top|talk]]) 17:10, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
::[[File:MC - Gesichtsurne.jpg|thumb|upright=.5|''Isn't this funerary urn delightful? There's a whole category of 'em.]]
::The one description I found says it's his scythe and withering vegetation. But why? And why the posture and the covering? And why the muchness of the physique if it's about withering? And I guess the wings are from the Chronos-Aion esoteric tradition? Anyway, unrelated, after I spin off some articles from [[Slavery in ancient Rome]] to whittle down that epic, I might want to tackle some aspect of [[Roman funerary art]], if you would be game to use some of the material you have already in [[Roman funerary practices]], which is already better on what I would consider the core subject of Roman funerary art, which is the relation of Roman portraiture to ''imagines''. Commons has a wealth of wonderful images. The article that's supposedly on art is more on the history of entombment, though I took the liberty of moving down the dilation on mausoleums so that at least now it starts with the funerary altars section, and added a couple of images of, y'know, objects displayed in museums as art rather than pure archaeology. And the article comes from that dreary perspective of who "originally" did such and such, rather than focusing on Roman expression and keeping the background in the background. [[User:Cynwolfe|Cynwolfe]] ([[User talk:Cynwolfe|talk]]) 19:15, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
:::Terrible, isn't it, when these things get jammed into the smallest possible cranial space. Can't think for thinking, it being very early here and residue of yesterday's Caligula not yet flushed away. Grim, grim. The funerary vase above - beautiful and haunting object(!) In my childhood, we had various fired clay receptacles of west African make, and a Belarmine (?sp) salt-glazed bottle, Dutch of course. Being young, I took them all as much the same thing, very creepy, worthy of reverence and utterly foreign... not for a child to meddle with.
:::Anyway, enough for now, and I'm nowhere near a keyboard until later tonight; but just to let you know I'd be happy to follow your lead from Funerary practices to Funerary Arts. A sort of transfusion. [[User:Haploidavey|Haploidavey]] ([[User talk:Haploidavey#top|talk]]) 08:09, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
::::That urn is wonderful. Might the three stemmed globules be immitations of poppy heads? [[User:Haploidavey|Haploidavey]] ([[User talk:Haploidavey#top|talk]]) 20:00, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
:::::Haven't disappeared! Will get back to this. I have been working on a manumission article in my sandbox (the first time in all these years I ever sandboxed an article) since ''September''. No, I don't know what's taking so long. No, I don't know why after creating dozens of articles I couldn't just build that one live. And there are other spinoffs I want to do to pare down [[slavery in ancient Rome]], which is too long (though the length police haven't templated it yet) and still has two or three missing topics. But the topic becomes too weighty, and I start finding pretty pictures on Commons or stumble into other articles for linking and go off on ''[[parergon|parerga]]'', an article which sadly is not about the side journeys of Herakles. I like the poppy head conjecture. [[User:Cynwolfe|Cynwolfe]] ([[User talk:Cynwolfe|talk]]) 13:46, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

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:Yea! and to thee! [[User:Haploidavey|Haploidavey]] ([[User talk:Haploidavey#top|talk]]) 07:55, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
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== Caligula ==

Hi, and thanks for your work on the rewrite. I think you should change the overall structure of the article, because right now we have:

- Early life

- Emperor

- Conflict with the Senate

- Modern depictions

I would reorder it as such:

- Family background and life before his accession.

- Reign, in a chronological order

- A thematical section on his policies, which would gather all the subsections from "public profile" to "ships at Nemi", perhaps the subsection "divinity" could go there as "imperial cult". This subsection is quite long, but also well sourced, so a separate article "Caligula's imperial cult" could be created.

- A separate section on sources and opinions, ancient and modern.

- Finally, a section "in Popular culture". [[User:T8612|<span style="color:yellow;background-color:navy">T8612</span>]] [[User talk:T8612|(talk)]] 12:13, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

:Hi [[User:T8612]]...thanks for the crit! I can't disagree that sequences have expanded in a somewhat undisciplined way; possibly more than we can know. Some of it follows source and modern uncertainties and variations on dating and sequence. I've followed Barrett's 2015 chronology as closely as I can; I fully agree that the foundation material on Imperial cult should have its own section - it's even more contentious than the main on [[Imperial cult in ancient Rome]]. You'd be very welcome to edit, of course, as you think fit. I'll attempt a reformation (!) over the next few weeks. [[User:Haploidavey|Haploidavey]] ([[User talk:Haploidavey#top|talk]]) 12:43, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
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:Thanks to whoever cleared this. Or even whatever... [[User:Haploidavey|Haploidavey]] ([[User talk:Haploidavey#top|talk]]) 07:31, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 16:40, 28 August 2024

Please leave messages regarding articles on article talk pages. This page is for more personal stuff (friendly messages and queries, that sort of thing). Haploidavey (talk) 07:45, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Phew![1] NebY (talk) 16:19, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requesting some copy edit help

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Greetings @Haploidavey

Hi, I am User:Bookku, On Wikipedia I engage in, finding information and knowledge gap areas in Wikipedia and promoting expansion of related drafts and articles. Came across your edit at Amphitheatre (Xtools).

Requesting you to visit Draft:Rabindra Rangshala (tentatively planned to release as stub) and help it's copy edit if the topic would interest you. Bookku (talk) 07:16, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Primary sources and classical history

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From your edit message, no primaries as yet, and none offered as evidence in secondary. Do we really need them[?]. I'll explain for a moment what I think of the topic because I'm pushing for it. Using primary sources in classics is fraught with problems. But they are at the same time absolutely vital. There are a number of factors to balance:

  • Laymen aren't really equipped to interpret primary sources like scholars are
  • Wikipedia isn't the place for original research and even credentialed scholars must here justify what they say with external publications
  • Wikipedia has multiple audiences, however, which include experts that may want to know what the relevant primary sources are: this is important for research – experts especially want to read those primary sources and draw their own conclusions – and credibility

The way I think those factors should be balanced is by parallel citation. We can't use the primary sources themselves for us to draw conclusions with (WP:PRIMARY). But we can cite reliable secondary sources which use those primary sources to draw conclusions. When we do so, however, because just pointing to that secondary source isn't very helpful at a glance, the best affordance I think is to note the secondary source's citation to the primary source when it is available and relevant. Ifly6 (talk) 16:40, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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