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Requested move 9 August 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) SilverLocust 💬 02:59, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Tambayan Philippines → Wikipedia:WikiProject Tambayan Philippines – WikiProjects start with the "WikiProjects" prefix. This is also what the lead sentence uses in this project page. Gonnym (talk) 10:13, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

I can't find the last RM, but this has definitely been proposed before. Anyone know where that was? CMD (talk) 11:26, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

• Comment. This may be a controversial and probably unpopular opinion, but why not just move it to Wikipedia:WikiProject Philippines? HueMan1 (talk) 12:21, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

  I support this proposal for standardization and simplicity. Sanglahi86 (talk) 12:31, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

• Agree Neutral based on feedback from Sky Harbor below. I understand the prestige of the page being under the Tambayan Philippines title for almost 20 years now and I agree it could be nice to keep the name as it is. If in any case it would be required that the WikiProject be suffixed to the page's name, I remain supporting the version raised by HueMan1 and with same reason as Sanglahi86; standardization and simplicity. Markoolio97 Markoolio97 (talk) 15:56, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

  The current name adds a bit of flavor, I don't see the value in going generic for the sake of it. CMD (talk) 14:05, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

  To be fair, we already use "WikiProject Tambayan Philippines" in assessment templates, which I believe is clear enough in signaling that we are a WikiProject. I think we can do more to highlight the fact that we are a WikiProject, which I believe is Gonnym's intention (though I'm also inclined to believe that they aren't Filipino), but I imagine we can do so while leaving the project's name intact, no? --Sky Harbor ^(talk) 17:43, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

• Hi, folks. I need to add a bit of context here as to why this is "Tambayan Philippines" and not "WikiProject Philippines". This WikiProject actually started off as the Philippines noticeboard, and the WikiProject came afterward. There was an attempt to move this to "WikiProject Philippines" back around 2006 or so alongside instituting a proper WikiProject, but it was unsuccessful and the WikiProject elements of this board came a bit later after that discussion which, among others, led to the banning of a user from the English Wikipedia. Something that I regret happened on here and I wish will never again happen here.

That being said, I don't see the utility in moving the name of the project. This place, its WikiProject features notwithstanding, is first and foremost a noticeboard and gathering place for Filipino Wikipedians. I think it's important that while we as a community continue to move ahead and grow, we must do so with respect to some of our most cherished traditions which tie us together. The name of this project, if you ask me, is one of them, and for that I must respectfully vote Oppose. --Sky Harbor ^(talk) 15:00, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

This might possibly be the earliest suggestion to move to WikiProject Philippines as mentioned above Markoolio97 (talk) 15:23, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

In case anyone asks the user referred to as "Akira123323" is me. --Sky Harbor ^(talk) 15:30, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose removal of the T-word. Although I honestly sometimes omit the T-word when categorizing articles out of laziness, I find it useful in searching for my home project. Although Wikipedia is supposed to be a sober encyclopedia I don't think this has to mean we have to be ultra-conformist as regards to the naming standards, especially since there is nothing disruptive to it. On a personal note, it also makes visitors less scared to visit the project once they get to know the meaning of it. Borgenland (talk) 16:53, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose. Is there an actual policy or guideline violation here? I scanned WP:PROJGUIDE and it doesn't say anywhere there that WikiProject names must start with that prefix. This proposed move seems like a move for the sake of unnecessary consistency and also in the project namespace for which we should be less pedantic compared to mainspace. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. —seav (talk) 17:03, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose. I don't see the point in changing the name. It's clear and works fine as it is. Let's not fix something that isn't broken. Waqar💬 17:28, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
• Rhetorical question, Is the name intended to indicate that this an in-group hangout place on the English WP for Tagalog-speakers interested in presentation re the Philippines here? Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 00:34, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Not seeing any benefit from migrating the Tambayan's name. --Lenticel ^(talk) 01:18, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Review of Valenzuela400's contribution

Can other editors review Valenzuela400's contribution at Niño Muhlach#Personal life, specifically this? There may be possible WP:NEWSPAPER issue here. Problematic overlinking too as is the characteristics of many of this user's contributions. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 02:35, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Just WP:BOLD wiped off the offending sections on grounds of WP:UNDUE as he is not the principal complainant in his son's sexual harassment case. Borgenland (talk) 07:15, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Also noting that they also have a worrying trend of uploading copyvio images of Philippine architecture as seen in their talk page. Borgenland (talk) 07:16, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

@Borgenland you may mean "public art" (like monuments and historic plaques/markers). English Wikipedia only respects the laws of the United States and does not need to respect the laws of the Philippines, because enwiki is not hosted and served in the Philippines (rather it is served and hosted in the U.S.). U.S. Copyright Law allows commercial exploitations of copyrighted architecture without architects' licensing authorizations, and so U.S. law applies to the images of unfree Philippine buildings ({{FoP-USonly}}). As the U.S. law does not provide FoP for copyrighted artworks and monuments, these plaques and recent monuments are not OK to be hosted locally. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 11:20, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Another review: their edit at Kapa-Community Ministry International. Is it appropriately worded or leaning to editorial-style tendency? JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 23:27, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Also: this at Mon Confiado article and this at Jessa Zaragoza article. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 23:40, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

The other edits seem fine, but would be nice if he could review Wikipedia's guidelines on writing style and tone. I've copyedited the Mon Confiado edit though, as that one sounded quite biased against the content creator. Ganmatthew (talk • contribs) 11:56, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

I had warned them before against writing articles like a legal brief but apparently they appear to be a WP:IDNHT user. Borgenland (talk) 01:20, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Perhaps they should be taken to WP:ANI. HueMan1 (talk) 02:11, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Bamban

Made some changes in the infobox per the unprecedent massacre of officials though I acknowledge it does not look aesthetically pleasing. Inviting users to make alternative solutions. Borgenland (talk) 05:03, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

We should probably stop with listing every councilor in the infobox. Just state the party standings. Howard the Duck (talk) 11:22, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Jaja Santiago

Is it high time to rename her per [1]? Borgenland (talk) 07:51, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Best to follow Wikipedia:Naming conventions (people). Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 08:04, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

The person apparently goes by a new name now. Probably wait what WP:RS calls her in the next few months. Howard the Duck (talk) 11:26, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Someone already renamed [2]. Borgenland (talk) 15:26, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

The move is premature, we don't know if Jaja Santiago will be referred to Sachi Minowa outside the context of playing for the Japanese national team. Like Naturalized athletes of China had people under their original name rather than their Sinicized names.Hariboneagle927 (talk) 16:42, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Copyvio in Maguindanao

Need copyvio checks on Sultan Kudarat, Maguindanao del Norte as Earwig seems to be down. Borgenland (talk) 03:02, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

September De-stubbing drive

A discussion was made for a month-long September drive, which eventually was accepted. Trying to get as many participants as possible (not sure if this is the right place to announce this). If you are interested in de-stubbing articles and helping out in the drive, you can click here if you're interested. Regards, 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 11:47, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

I'm in! Hopefully I won't be the only one. D-Flo27 (talk) 11:54, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Notable deaths

Does WP:NOTABILITY also strictly apply to timeline articles? There have been sudden steps taken to hide non-articles, which is a pity given that some of them hold legitimately notable offices. Borgenland (talk) 11:58, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

WP:REDLINK is our guide. For politicians, our baseline is WP:NPOL. This includes members of Congress, Supreme Court, and the Cabinet, the vice president and president, but not local officials. It's unclear if membership in Philippine legislatures in the American era satisfies WP:NPOL. Howard the Duck (talk) 23:38, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Of course, if it can be demonstrated that there is WP:GNG coverage about a person, a red link should be allowed. Howard the Duck (talk) 23:48, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Representative images in Fashion and clothing in the Philippines

Fashion and clothing in the Philippines needs help in representative images per decade (particularly the 1930s and beyond). I tried scouring for photos in Commons and added several images; however, some of these images are either quite blurry or have a poor camera angle. Hope you can help in finding better images. Sanglahi86 (talk) 02:01, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

NewsWatch Plus

CNN Philippines is back (sorta). [3] HueMan1 (talk) 05:34, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Officeholders

Who is acting VG of Abra now that Joy Bernos is suspended? Also need details in Mandaue now that Jonas Cortes is also suspended .Borgenland (talk) 06:25, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

The #1 board member is the acting VG. As provinces are always divided into board districts there is not a straightforward to determine this. Howard the Duck (talk) 06:34, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

I think in this case I would have to assume that whoever won the board in the same district in Bangued would probably be next in line. Borgenland (talk) 06:41, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Not necessarily. You'd get the topnotcher from each district, then compare their votes vs. turnout in their respective districts. The topnotcher with the highest percentage is the #1 board member. Howard the Duck (talk) 07:30, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

None of the news articles I saw particularly say who became acting VG, but we can guess:

In the first district, Victorino Barona was #1 with 42,955 votes out of a turnout of 180,902 valid votes, or 23.74%.

In the second district, Russell Bragas was #1 with 65,547 votes out of a turnout of 235,092 valid votes, or 27.88%.

With this, we can guess that Bragas is the acting VG, and I'll be damned if he isn't.

You can also probably see that the 2 districts are not divided equally, with the second district being the larger one. Howard the Duck (talk) 17:52, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

"Largest" municipality

User:CryingSulfur appears to be the same person as the IP editor(s) who insist on adding passages about the "largest" municipality and similar content to every province article. See also Talk:Provinces of the Philippines for some context. CryingSulfur and the IPs are also active in radio station articles. I'm unsure what action to take here. Pinging Chipmunkdavis and Howard the Duck, who were involved in the earlier discussion on the talkpage I mentioned. HueMan1 (talk) 02:03, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

FWIW, most populous settlement is a standard fixture in similar lists in other countries. I'd rather have that than say three columns on how many LGUs are there. Howard the Duck (talk) 02:12, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

I agree, but "largest" in the Philippines most commonly refers to land area, not population. It would likely confuse some readers. HueMan1 (talk) 02:19, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

I don't mean to spoon-feed information to our readers, but maybe a watered-down version like "most populated" would work best for us, given that MOS:ENGVAR applies. HueMan1 (talk) 02:27, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

The table is already too large and many entries will just be the capital city again. The information is already available on the province articles where it makes more sense, Misamis Occidental#Administrative divisions and so on. CMD (talk) 03:44, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Every column on the province list is on every province's article.

Just like I said, I'd rather replace the three columns of how many LGUs are there with this column. If the capital and most populated settlement is the same, merge the cells. Howard the Duck (talk) 10:57, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

On another note, these edits by user in question also raise doubts on my part over their WP:CIR, see [4] and [5]. Borgenland (talk) 15:26, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Those are edits where s/he added a section of "Notable people" to provincial articles. This is a content dispute, and I fail to see how WP:CIR applies; WP:IDHT maybe, but not WP:CIR... it's not as if s/he screwed up in the edits and made syntax errors. Howard the Duck (talk) 00:03, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

There were, particularly errors in spelling, content that looked either copyvio or soapbox, naming conventions in Philippine cities and most glaringly their own refusal in Albay to abide by the rules they inserted against recklessly adding names without articles. Borgenland (talk) 00:50, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, content dispute. Not everyone knows our naming conventions; we still have discussions somewhere on that. There were also pipelinks that I would not have wanted, but not enough for WP:CIR. I was looking around in articles such as Kentucky and Bali and there were also no sections about famous residents. I LOLed at not following their own rules they imposed. Howard the Duck (talk) 00:59, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Suffix and prefix revisited

We probably need a standard. Most of the more popular foreign head of states does not have the His Excellency, and even more so of those honorific suffixes from orders/awards even if they have them. And having Honorable/HE before a nickname is jarring and not really used in practiced - "His Excellency Bongbong Marcos"

In particular - Does Fidel Ramos, Diosdado Macapagal need to list all of that suffixes? Hariboneagle927 (talk) 15:00, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

I thought it counted as Philippine English? Though I sympathize having to wonder whether a convicted rapist mayor/congressman deserves the Hon in the infobox. Borgenland (talk) 15:11, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

FWIW, David Cameron has the suffix PC, but not the prefix "Right Honorable". Howard the Duck (talk) 16:54, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

There already is a standard, see MOS:PREFIX. -- P 1 9 9  ✉ 02:33, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Switching party meta colors of Partido Federal ng Pilipinas and Hugpong ng Pagbabago

The 2025 Philippine general election is upon us, and the UniTeam Alliance is no longer. Curiously, the leading parties from that alliance, [Partido Federal ng Pilipinas]] (PFP) and Hugpong ng Pagbabago (HNP), have the colors switched up, but not intentionally.

Both were created in 2018. HNP used the red color because it was one of the colors seen on its logo, along with green and blue. PFP used the green logo, because their original logo was primarily green. These ultimately were the colors of the UniTeam alliance.

Now, Sara Duterte has been associated with green, and the Marcoses have long been associated with red. With this, I'm proposing to switch the meta colors of these two parties, with PFP using red, and HNP using green (not exactly the same hexcodes). For articles using the different modules for party colors, these should switch instantaneously, while for maps and diagrams, these would have to be manually changed.

These are the files that have to be changed:

• File:Philippine 2019 Senate Elections Results for HNP.png
• File:2019 Philippine House of Representatives Elections.svg (this used my previous proposal of new colors but was reverted, so now it has to be brought back to the currently used colors)
• File:2019 Philippine Gubernatorial Elections.svg (same as immediately above)
• File:2019 Philippine mayoral elections.png (HNP used purple for this map; there may be a PFP mayoral winner so that has to be changed)
• File:2022 Philippine presidential election by province.png
• File:2022 Philippine presidential election results detailed.svg
• File:2022 Philippine house of representatives elections results.svg
• File:2022 Provincial Results Marcos.png
• File:LGU Breakdown of Presidential Election 2022.png
• File:2022 Provincial Results Duterte.png

I may have missed out on some maps. Please add those here

Also, I know for a fact that PFP uses a blue logo, but unlike the green color which is now completely absent on the new logo, it still has the red color; also, the blue color clashes with LDP color, and the current green color clashes with the NUP color.

The reason why the last change was reverted is because not all of the maps were changed. This one only concerns two parties, and fewer maps would be changed. Howard the Duck (talk) 23:29, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Philippine Senate hearing on the Kingdom of Jesus Christ#Requested move 25 August 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Philippine Senate hearing on the Kingdom of Jesus Christ#Requested move 25 August 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. HueMan1 (talk) 14:20, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

MPSPC

Will be renaming the Mountain Province State Polytechnic College to MP State University in a short while per [6]. Also notifying that the history is a probable copy paste tho I cannot check on Earwig because it is down. Borgenland (talk) 15:57, 28 August 2024 (UTC)