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== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 7 March 2024 ==
Hi fellow wikipedians! I was just wondering if the 'ships' list is needed. If we feel it is, it can probably get it's own sublist. Please comment opinions below, so we can get [[WP:CONSENSUS]]
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[[User:Tomorrow and tomorrow|Tomorrow and tomorrow]] ([[User talk:Tomorrow and tomorrow|talk]]) 02:02, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
: I agree as I feel like the list will grow longer. If damaged civilian ships are to be included like ''Millennial Spirit'' and ''Namura Queen'', then we are already missing ''Yasa Jupiter'', ''Banglar Samriddhi'' and ''Helt''. [[User:Rinbro|Rinbro]] ([[User talk:Rinbro|talk]]) 19:50, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
:: In that case, I'm going to remove it, and if anyone disagrees they can come talk about it.[[User:Tomorrow and tomorrow|Tomorrow and tomorrow]] ([[User talk:Tomorrow and tomorrow|talk]]) 22:16, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
::: I made a new page for the information & have linked it from the template: [[List of ships damaged during the Russo-Ukrainian War]] [[User:Rinbro|Rinbro]] ([[User talk:Rinbro|talk]]) 23:32, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
::::Much thanks, that is a much better solution I think (won't get clogged up), and makes it very analogous to the aircraft page.[[User:Tomorrow and tomorrow|Tomorrow and tomorrow]] ([[User talk:Tomorrow and tomorrow|talk]]) 23:57, 3 March 2022 (UTC)


Please add a link to [[United Nations General Assembly Resolution A/RES/77/229]] in the United Nations section. [[User:Doublah|Doublah]] ([[User talk:Doublah|talk]]) 13:47, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
== [[Minsk agreements]] ==
I don't see the Minsk agreements in the table. It seems to be a solid basis for coming negociations.<ref>https://truthout.org/articles/chomsky-outdated-us-cold-war-policy-worsens-ongoing-russia-ukraine-conflict/</ref> Should we add them, create a "Background" row ? [[User:Yug|Yug]] [[User talk:Yug|<small><span style="color:green;">(talk)</span></small>]] 🐲 00:32, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
: I'd support this and put the 'relations' articles in there too [[User:Tomorrow and tomorrow|Tomorrow and tomorrow]] ([[User talk:Tomorrow and tomorrow|talk]]) 00:54, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
::I've now down this. The 'other' row was empty so I removed it, but I fully anticipate it will get filled again. [[User:Tomorrow and tomorrow|Tomorrow and tomorrow]] ([[User talk:Tomorrow and tomorrow|talk]]) 05:04, 5 March 2022 (UTC)


{{done}}<!-- Template:ESp --> [[User:Killarnee|Killarnee]] ([[User talk:Killarnee|talk]]) 23:18, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
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== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 24 March 2024 ==
== Organisations Response ==


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I don't think we need the organisations response row, at least as it currently is. The international legion is made of the public and Kletocapture is run by the US government so really should be in 'States'. The IT army is part of Ukriane's forces so I don't think they quite fit there either. If this section was to exist, it should be for NGOs and sports organisations, etc
[[User:Tomorrow and tomorrow|Tomorrow and tomorrow]] ([[User talk:Tomorrow and tomorrow|talk]]) 00:58, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
Please add [[Violations of non-combatant airspaces during the Russian invasion of Ukraine]] to the "Impact" section. thanks [[User:Aqeccac|Aqeccac]] ([[User talk:Aqeccac|talk]]) 09:06, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
:{{done}}<!-- Template:EEp --> ~ [[User:Eejit43|<b style="color: #00733f">Eejit43</b>]] ([[User talk:Eejit43|<span style="color: #00733f">talk</span>]]) 02:56, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
:It was originally a sublist of States, but another editor moved it to its own section. I am open to moving it back. [[User:InfiniteNexus|InfiniteNexus]] ([[User talk:InfiniteNexus|talk]]) 03:53, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
::{{ping|InfiniteNexus}} I'm happy with that, though tbh I still don't see who those 3 articles really fit together. [[User:Tomorrow and tomorrow|Tomorrow and tomorrow]] ([[User talk:Tomorrow and tomorrow|talk]]) 05:07, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
:::{{Done}}. [[User:InfiniteNexus|InfiniteNexus]] ([[User talk:InfiniteNexus|talk]]) 06:43, 5 March 2022 (UTC)


== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 11 June 2024 ==
== Cell widths ==


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Does anyone know how to make the cell widths consistent? Would make the template look more presentable. Thanks! ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 14:27, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
Please add [[Rustem Umerov]] in "Ukrainians" Key people section for [[Template:Russian invasion of Ukraine]] [[User:Muhammad Aliff1999|Muhammad Aliff1999]] ([[User talk:Muhammad Aliff1999|talk]]) 12:24, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
:{{done}}<!-- Template:EEp --> <span style="font-family:monospace;">'''<nowiki>'''[[</nowiki>[[User:CanonNi]]<nowiki>]]'''</nowiki>'''</span> ([[User talk:CanonNi|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CanonNi|contribs]]) 12:34, 11 June 2024 (UTC)


== Ukrainian civilians detained in Russia: which article? ==
:They are consistent within each sub-group. Making them equal across sub-groups would make the substructure harder to follow. The defaults are usually (though not always) chosen for a good reason, keeping in mind that readers will use a huge variety of different browsers and screen sizes and resolutions. [[User:Boud|Boud]] ([[User talk:Boud|talk]]) 18:17, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
::Huh, ok. I disagree re: " Making them equal across sub-groups would make the substructure harder to follow". Just add a line break between "Northeastern" and "Ukraine" for "Northeastern Ukraine" and I think a consistent width across subgroups would look sharp. Happy editing! ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 18:46, 9 March 2022 (UTC)


Do we have an article or subsection covering the detention of Ukrainian adult civilians in Russia and/or the Ukrainian occupied territories during the invasion of Ukraine? [[User:Boud|Boud]] ([[User talk:Boud|talk]]) 16:08, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
== Equipements ==
Hello the team,<br />
The page [[Weapons of the Russo-Ukrainian War]] now accepts contents related to the 2022 war and could be integrated into this template. [[User:Yug|Yug]] [[User talk:Yug|<small><span style="color:green;">(talk)</span></small>]] 🐲 16:50, 10 March 2022 (UTC)


There's an 86-page report {{WDQ|Q127507090}}, plus an [[EJIL]] summary of the report by two of the human rights experts who authored it, on the topic of Ukrainian civilians detained in the occupied parts of Ukraine (it's not clear to me if Ukrainian civilians deported to Russia are included): {{WDQ|Q127506242}}. These can be cited with {{t|cite Q}}, as in [[Moscow Mechanism#2020s]], since the report is a result of using the Moscow Mechanism. [[User:Boud|Boud]] ([[User talk:Boud|talk]]) 17:01, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
== Bayraktar ==
Yeah, let's have a link to a non-existant article on the English Wikipedia and to justify that add an interwiki link to a project written in a completely different script that most of us can't come close to reading. How convenient and constructive of us! [[User:Styyx|<span style="color: #126180">'''~Styyx'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Styyx|<span style="color: #24d63f">''Talk?''</span> <span style="color:gray">^-^</span>]]</sup> 16:15, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
:Ignorance of non-roman scripts by some en.Wikipedians is not a valid argument for excluding a cross-language link. The knowledge is encyclopedic, and by providing the link, we encourage multi-lingual people to start the en.Wikipedia equivalent articles. The rich, healthy and technically efficient interlingual communications among the different language Wikipedias are one of Wikipedia's incredible strengths. Спасибі! [[User:Boud|Boud]] ([[User talk:Boud|talk]]) 00:15, 12 March 2022 (UTC)


:My guess is "No". The closest we seem to have is [[Russian filtration camps for Ukrainians]]. [[User:Boud|Boud]] ([[User talk:Boud|talk]]) 18:27, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
== List of people of the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine ==
::There is no specific page I guess. See [[Child abductions in the Russo-Ukrainian War]] and [[War_crimes_in_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine#Abduction_and_deportation]]. We also have [[Prisoners of war in the Russian invasion of Ukraine]], many Ukrainian "POWs" are not POWs, but civilians [https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/05/europe/ukrainian-civilians-detained-russian-prisons-intl-cmd/index.html],[https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-russia-prisons-civilians-torture-detainees-88b4abf2efbf383272eed9378be13c72]. See also [[:Category:Ukrainian people taken hostage]]. [[User:My very best wishes|My very best wishes]] ([[User talk:My very best wishes|talk]]) 19:53, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
::I also see the report [https://www.osce.org/odihr/567367 here]. That's a lot of info and definitely deserves a separate page. [[User:My very best wishes|My very best wishes]] ([[User talk:My very best wishes|talk]]) 14:44, 22 July 2024 (UTC)


== Separate section for attacks in Russia? ==
There's a minor edit war going on regarding people with en.Wikipedia articles who are associated in some way or other with the [[2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine]]: list just a few key people, or all associated people? There exists [[:Category:Lists of people]] and even [[:Category:Lists of lists of people]], so if someone wanted to start an article such as [[List of people assoicated with the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine]], then that could become a link in the current '''People''' heading, and some of the people less notably associated with the invasion and its consequences could be removed from the navbox. A consensus name would have to be chosen: ''"associated with"'' is rather long-winded, but ''"of"'' risks sounding like these are people who organised/supported/carried out the invasion (some are, some aren't). Even ''"associated with"'' is a bit risky. Maybe ''"in"'' or ''"during"'', though then the meaning would sound weird. Better ask for advice at [[Wikipedia talk:Stand-alone lists]] where people are active in making/editing [[WP:STANDALONE]] list articles and could probably recommend a name likely to obtain consensus. [[User:Boud|Boud]] ([[User talk:Boud|talk]]) 15:10, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
:As I explained twice in my edit summaries, I firmly belive this navbox should not list every single person associated with the conflict, or else the template would become too crammed and messy. If we look at the articles that the IP insists on including, we can see that they all contain few or no sentences regarding the invasion, not even a full paragraph in some cases. To break it down:
:* 0 sentences: [[Denys Shmyhal]], [[Denys Monastyrsky]], [[Ruslan Khomchak]], [[Oleksandr Syrskyi]], [[Ramzan Kadyrov]]
:* 1 sentence: [[Oleksiy Danilov]], [[Serhiy Shaptala]], [[Vitali Klitschko]], [[Mikhail Mishustin]], [[Valery Gerasimov]], [[Alexander Bortnikov]], [[Nikolai Patrushev]]
:* 2 sentences: [[Oleksii Reznikov]]
:* >1 pargraphs (can probably be kept): [[Ivan Fedorov (politician)]], [[Sergei Shoigu]]
:I am not opposed to the idea of a [[List of people assoicated with the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine]] article, but first I would like the IP to explain their reasoning that {{tqq|all play a substantial role}}. [[User:InfiniteNexus|InfiniteNexus]] ([[User talk:InfiniteNexus|talk]]) 16:45, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
::It doesn't matter how many sentences Wikipedia' editors wrote in articles about persons. It is a very strange logic (!) to take this into consideration. In a '''real life''', all listed persons play a key role in the conflict. For example:
::* [[Denys Shmyhal]], PM of Ukraine
::* [[Denys Monastyrsky]], Minister of Internal Affairs
::* [[Oleksiy Danilov]], Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine
::* [[Ruslan Khomchak]], First Deputy Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine
::* [[Oleksandr Syrskyi]], Commander of the Ground Forces of Ukraine
::* [[Serhiy Shaptala]], Chief of the General Staff
::* [[Vitali Klitschko]], Major of Kyiv, involved in a key [[Battle of Kyiv (2022)]]
::* [[Oleksii Reznikov]], Minister of Defence of Ukraine
::Finally, about top 10 key people are listed for both side, similar to [[:Template:War in Donbas|navbox]] for [[War in Donbass]], the first phase of war. Per current practice, the same lists of lead fugures (top 10 or top 20) are in the many other such templates: [[:Template:Chechen wars]], [[:Template:Nagorno-Karabakh Conflict]] etc. [[Special:Contributions/92.113.168.56|92.113.168.56]] ([[User talk:92.113.168.56|talk]]) 17:54, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
:::The purpose of this navbox is to aid readers in finding articles with information regarding the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine. Say a reader opens up this navbox and clicks on [[Denys Shmyhal]], expecting to find information on his involvement in the conflict. Instead, they find nothing. Yes, he's the Prime Minister of Ukraine. But his article doesn't provide the reader with any additional information about the invasion, which happens to be the very purpose of this navbox. [[WP:NAVBOX]] explicitly states, {{tqq|The subject of the template should be mentioned in every article.}} That puts the final nail in the coffin for 5 of the articles I listed above. [[User:InfiniteNexus|InfiniteNexus]] ([[User talk:InfiniteNexus|talk]]) 19:39, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
:::: Criterias for inclusion are not depends from editors work. Never. [[Special:Contributions/92.113.168.56|92.113.168.56]] ([[User talk:92.113.168.56|talk]]) 20:18, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
:::::As InfiniteNexus said, [[WP:NAVBOX]] explicitly states, {{tqq|The subject of the template should be mentioned in every article.}} If you can find public, reliably sourced information (Ukrainian or Russian language sources are allowed, although English language ones are preferred) showing how [[Denys Shmyhal]] is involved in this event, then that can be added to his article and the inclusion here would become better justified. I have no idea whether it's better or worse in terms of security risks for Shmyhal's actions (presumably in organising resistance against the invasion) to be listed at [[Denys Shmyhal]]. If it's better that his involvement remains non-public for the moment, then his article can wait to be linked in the navbox after the Russian forces leave Ukraine and it's safe for that knowledge to become public. Similarly for the other articles. [[User:Boud|Boud]] ([[User talk:Boud|talk]]) 02:22, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
{{od}}I suggest that user:Boud starts separate discussions about each name that s/he wants to remove from the template.--Getting consensus about removing the Ukrainian PM from the template, is likely an uphill battle. [[Special:Contributions/89.8.146.21|89.8.146.21]] ([[User talk:89.8.146.21|talk]]) 10:38, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
:So you're suggesting that we go against wiki policy?? [[User:InfiniteNexus|InfiniteNexus]] ([[User talk:InfiniteNexus|talk]]) 03:56, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
::Be bold! Are you suggesting to not Be bold? [[Special:Contributions/89.8.146.21|89.8.146.21]] ([[User talk:89.8.146.21|talk]]) 13:01, 16 March 2022 (UTC)


With the growing number of offensives in Western Russia, including the current large-scale [[August 2024 Kursk Oblast incursion]], it could make sense to separate them into a new geographical section, with the "Military engagements" subgroup changing to:
== Horlivka and Chuhuiv ==


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46.211.152.40, as you continue to refuse to discuss your edit, I will start this discussion for you. No one is denying that Horlivka is in Eastern Ukraine or Chuhuiv is in Northeastern Ukraine. But as I have [[Special:Diff/1077508055|explained]], this navbox must match their articles and the [[List of military engagements during the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine]] article, neither of which state they are part of the Eastern Ukraine or Northeastern Ukraine offensives. If you have a problem with that, I suggest you raise this issue on the aforementioned articles' talk pages to have them amended, instead of edit-warring or making [[Special:Diff/1077544338|snarky edit summaries]]. Pinging {{ping|EpicWikiLad|p=}} as well in case they have any comments. [[User:InfiniteNexus|InfiniteNexus]] ([[User talk:InfiniteNexus|talk]]) 22:27, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
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:* First, [[Horlivka]] is in [[Eastern Ukraine]] and [[Chuhuiv]] is in Northeastern Ukraine.
| group1 = [[Southern Ukraine campaign|Southern<br>Ukraine]]
:* Second, [[List of military engagements during the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine]] is blocked for editing to fix it.
| list1 =
:* Third, [[Northeastern Ukraine offensive]] say: ''A Russian missile attack meanwhile targeted the Chuhuiv air base''.
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:* Fourth, in real life [[Chuhuiv air base attack]] was a prelude for [[Battle of Kharkiv (2022)]].
* [[Snake Island campaign]]
:* Fifth, [[Horlivka offensive|Battle of Horlivka]] (incomplete article) in real life is clearly part of Donbas theatre of war, i.e. the [[Eastern Ukraine offensive]].
* [[Siege of Mariupol]]
:And try to see the map before your edits. Any other questions? [[Special:Contributions/46.211.152.40|46.211.152.40]] ([[User talk:46.211.152.40|talk]]) 22:44, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
* [[Battle of Kherson]]
::Thank you for your response. See, if you had explained your reasoning here early on instead of edit-warring with cryptic edit summaries (e.g. {{tqq|see map}}), this could have been resolved much faster. I will adjust the articles accordingly, unless there is objection from other users. [[User:InfiniteNexus|InfiniteNexus]] ([[User talk:InfiniteNexus|talk]]) 22:59, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
* [[Battle of Melitopol]]
:::on my opinion, go on, i also started to think that maybe horlivka, chuhuiv, etc should be part of something and not only "other", but, next time, explain more the reason behind your edit instead of simple words.[[User:EpicWikiLad|EpicWikiLad]] ([[User talk:EpicWikiLad|talk]]) 23:01, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
* [[Battle of Mykolaiv]]
::::I would like to point out the [[List of military engagements during the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine]] has kept the airstrikes out of an offensive and inconclusive. So those should not be moved into an offensive category. Also, the [[Horlivka offensive]] is considered a stale offensive. Sources described it as an offensive rather than a battle. I am not objecting moving it into an offensive category, for now, but if the offensive picks up new area's it must be separated. [[User:Elijahandskip|Elijahandskip]] ([[User talk:Elijahandskip|talk]]) 23:06, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
* [[Battle of Enerhodar]]
:::::Wait, so we're not classifying Chuhuiv as part of the Northeastern Ukraine offensive now? [[User:InfiniteNexus|InfiniteNexus]] ([[User talk:InfiniteNexus|talk]]) 23:13, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
* [[Battle of Voznesensk]]
::::::im going to make a proposal, basically, move horlivka to eastern ukraine, move snake island into southern ukraine, change "other" to "attacks on air bases and installations" and move the bombings on civilians to a new cateogory, what do you guys think?[[User:EpicWikiLad|EpicWikiLad]] ([[User talk:EpicWikiLad|talk]]) 23:15, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
* [[Battle of Huliaipole]]
::::::(Edit conflict) Not saying that. Just saying the air base attack, as stated earlier by 46.211.152.40, was a "prelude for [[Battle of Kharkiv (2022)]]". None of the other airbase attacks are listed with an offensive, so I sort of see a pattern. Changing that would probably require each one to be assessed. [[User:Elijahandskip|Elijahandskip]] ([[User talk:Elijahandskip|talk]]) 23:15, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
* [[Battle of Davydiv Brid]]
:::::::So you don't think the air bases should be filed under any offensive. Okay. (By the way, I see you have reverted the IP's edit again. I don't think that's a good idea because we don't want any more edit-warring.) [[User:InfiniteNexus|InfiniteNexus]] ([[User talk:InfiniteNexus|talk]]) 23:22, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
* [[2022 Kherson counteroffensive|Kherson counteroffensive]]
** [[Liberation of Kherson]]
* [[Dnieper campaign (2022–present)|Dnieper campaign]]
** [[Destruction of the Kakhovka Dam]]
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| group2 = [[Eastern Ukraine campaign|Eastern<br>Ukraine]]
== Sumykhiprom airstrike ==
| list2 =
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* [[Battle of Volnovakha]]
* [[Battle of Kharkiv (2022)|Battle of Kharkiv]]
* [[Battle of Izium]]
* [[Battle of Rubizhne]]
* [[Battle of Popasna]]
* [[Battle of Marinka (2022–2023)|Battle of Marinka]]
* [[Battle of Donbas (2022)|Battle of Donbas]]
** [[Battle of the Siverskyi Donets]]
** [[Battle of Sievierodonetsk (2022)|Battle of Sievierodonetsk]]
** [[Battle of Lysychansk]]
** [[Battle of Pisky]]
** [[Battle of Bakhmut]]
** [[Battle of Soledar]]
* [[Battle of Vuhledar]]
* [[2022 Kharkiv counteroffensive|Kharkiv counteroffensive]]
** [[Battle of Kupiansk]]
** [[Second battle of Lyman]]
* [[Luhansk Oblast campaign]]
* [[Battle of Avdiivka (2023–2024)|Battle of Avdiivka]]
* [[Battle of Chasiv Yar]]
* [[Battle of Krasnohorivka]]
* [[Battle of Ocheretyne]]
* [[Battle of Toretsk]]


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would it be considered a attack on civilian or military targets? because, by definition, a valid military target is something that contributes to the war, and a fertilizer factory doesnt really contribute to the war. [[Special:Contributions/187.39.133.201|187.39.133.201]] ([[User talk:187.39.133.201|talk]]) 21:53, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
:'''Comment''' - Regardless of which section you believe that article should be placed, you should not have removed it from the navbox outright. [[User:InfiniteNexus|InfiniteNexus]] ([[User talk:InfiniteNexus|talk]]) 23:40, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
::i didn't, i moved it to the attacks on civilians part, but someone removed it from there and re added it on attacks on military, so i removed it from civilians and came here to discuss. [[Special:Contributions/187.39.133.201|187.39.133.201]] ([[User talk:187.39.133.201|talk]]) 23:55, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
:::Oh, so it was listed twice. Never mind. [[User:InfiniteNexus|InfiniteNexus]] ([[User talk:InfiniteNexus|talk]]) 00:00, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
:::Adding my two cents: yeah, I don't think a chemical plant counts as a military base. As in, a facility run by the military. [[User:InfiniteNexus|InfiniteNexus]] ([[User talk:InfiniteNexus|talk]]) 00:02, 26 March 2022 (UTC)


| group3 = [[Northern Ukraine campaign|Northern<br>Ukraine]]
== Consecration ==
| list3 =
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* [[Battle of Antonov Airport]]
* [[Capture of Chernobyl]]
* [[Battle of Kyiv (2022)|Battle of Kyiv]]
* [[Battle of Hostomel]]
* [[Battle of Vasylkiv]]
* [[Battle of Bucha]]
* [[Battle of Irpin]]
* [[Battle of Makariv]]
* [[Russian Kyiv convoy]]
* [[Battle of Moshchun]]
* [[Battle of Brovary]]
* [[Battle of Slavutych]]
* [[Battle of Sumy]]
* [[Siege of Chernihiv]]
* [[Battle of Okhtyrka]]
* [[Battle of Lebedyn]]
* [[Northeastern Ukraine–Russia border skirmishes|Northeastern border skirmishes]]
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| group4 = [[Attacks in Russia during the Russian invasion of Ukraine|Russia]]
| list4 =
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* [[2023 Bryansk Oblast raid|Bryansk Oblast raid]]
* [[Kremlin drone attack]]
* [[30 May 2023 Moscow drone strikes|Moscow drone strikes]]
* [[2023 Belgorod Oblast incursions]]
* [[30 December 2023 Belgorod shelling]]
* [[February 2024 Belgorod missile strike]]
* [[May 2024 Belgorod missile strike]]
* [[March 2024 western Russia incursion]]
* [[August 2024 Kursk Oblast incursion]]
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| group5 = Airstrikes<br> by city
Hi All,
| list5 =
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* [[Chernihiv strikes (2022–present)|Chernihiv strikes]]
* [[Dnipro strikes (2022–present)|Dnipro strikes]]
* [[Ivano-Frankivsk strikes (2022–present)|Ivano-Frankivsk strikes]]
* [[Kharkiv strikes (2022–present)|Kharkiv strikes]]
* [[Kherson strikes (2022–present)|Kherson strikes]]
* [[Khmelnytskyi strikes (2022–present)|Khmelnytskyi strikes]]
* [[Kryvyi Rih strikes (2022–present)|Kryvyi Rih strikes]]
* [[Kyiv strikes (2022–present)|Kyiv strikes]]
* [[Lviv strikes (2022–present)|Lviv strikes]]
* [[Mykolaiv strikes (2022–present)|Mykolaiv strikes]]
* [[Odesa strikes (2022–present)|Odesa strikes]]
* [[Rivne strikes (2022–present)|Rivne strikes]]
* [[Vinnytsia strikes (2022–present)|Vinnytsia strikes]]
* [[Zaporizhzhia strikes (2022–present)|Zaporizhzhia strikes]]
* [[Zhytomyr attacks (2022–present)|Zhytomyr strikes]]


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I think that the [[Consecration of Russia]] should go in the public section as the action was taken by the Catholic Church, and more broadly the Catholic population (pope explicitly asked people to participate).


| group6 = Airstrikes<br>on military<br>targets
{{ping|InfiniteNexus}} reverted this on the grounds that the Vatican is a state. While it definitely is, the Church and Catholics more broadly is usually considered not governmental (including on Wikipedia). Given that the consecration wasn't a state-like action (no other governments are leading consecrations) and in no way relates to the governing or leading of the Vatican State, I believe it shouldn't be considered a State Reaction, otherwise any action taken by a Catholic Authority must also be considered a government action.
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* [[Chuhuiv air base attack]]
* [[Millerovo air base attack]]
* [[2022 Chornobaivka attacks|Chornobaivka attacks]]
* [[7 March 2022 Mykolaiv military barracks attack]]
* [[Yavoriv military base attack]]
* [[18 March 2022 Mykolaiv military quarters attack]]
* [[2022 Berdiansk port attack|Berdiansk port attack]]
* [[Sinking of the Moskva|Sinking of the ''Moskva'']]
* [[Desna barracks airstrike]]
* [[2022 attack on Nova Kakhovka|Attack on Nova Kakhovka]]
* [[Crimea attacks (2022–present)|Crimea attacks]]
** [[2022 Novofedorivka explosions|Novofedorivka explosions]]
** [[2022 drone attack on the Sevastopol Naval Base|Drone attack on the Sevastopol Naval Base]]
** [[Missile strike on the Black Sea Fleet headquarters]]
* [[Dyagilevo and Engels air bases attacks]]
* [[Makiivka military quarters shelling]]
* [[Machulishchy air base attack]]
* [[Zarichne barracks airstrike]]
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| group7 = Resistance
Please comment your thoughts so we can gain consensus. [[User:Tomorrow and tomorrow|Tomorrow and tomorrow]] ([[User talk:Tomorrow and tomorrow|talk]]) 04:38, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
| list7 = {{#invoke:navbox|navbox|subgroup
:Hmm. How about we just change the section heading to {{tq|States and churches}}? Because putting the Catholic Church next to city demonstrations and computer malware doesn't seem right to me. [[User:InfiniteNexus|InfiniteNexus]] ([[User talk:InfiniteNexus|talk]]) 04:53, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
| group1 = [[Ukrainian resistance during the Russian invasion of Ukraine|Russian-occupied Ukraine]]
::I'm happy with this. Will do this now. [[User:Tomorrow and tomorrow|Tomorrow and tomorrow]] ([[User talk:Tomorrow and tomorrow|talk]]) 06:31, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
| list1 =
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* [[Popular Resistance of Ukraine]]
* [[Berdiansk Partisan Army]]
* [[Yellow Ribbon (movement)|Yellow Ribbon]]
* [[Atesh]]


| group2 = [[Belarusian and Russian partisan movement (2022–present)|Belarus and Russia]]
== Assassination attempts on Zelenskyy ==
| list2 =
* [[Assassination of Vladlen Tatarsky]]
* [[Civic Council (Armed Forces of Ukraine)|Civic Council]]
* [[Irpin Declaration]]
* [[Darya Dugina#Killing|Killing of Darya Dugina]]
** [[National Republican Army (Russia)|National Republican Army]]
* [[Russian military commissariats attacks|Military commissariats arsons]]
** [[Ust-Ilimsk military commissariat shooting]]
** [[Black Bridge (Russia)|Black Bridge]]
* [[Rail war in Russia (2022–present)|Rail war in Russia]]
** [[Stop the Wagons]]
** [[Combat Organization of Anarcho-Communists]]
* [[Rail war in Belarus (2022–present)|Rail war in Belarus]]
** [[Busly liaciać]]
** [[BYPOL]]
** [[Community of Railway Workers of Belarus|Community of Railway Workers]]
** [[Cyber Partisans]]
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}}


| group8 = Russian<br>occupations
While [[Assassination attempts on Volodymyr Zelenskyy]] are certainly a horrible thing, Zelenskyy is the [[Order of battle for the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine#Ukrainian forces|Supreme Commander-in-Chief]], which would seem to make him (and Putin) military targets, in the case that they cannot be detained by the opposing military forces. There have been suggestions that some of the Ukrainian forces have been deliberately aiming to kill Russian generals, though we don't have an individual article on that. Any objections to removing ''[[Assassination attempts on Volodymyr Zelenskyy]]'' from the ''War crimes'' section? It should be shifted to a new subsection of ''Military engagements'', with a name like ''Assassination attempts on military leaders''. [[User:Boud|Boud]] ([[User talk:Boud|talk]]) 22:26, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
| list8 = {{#invoke:navbox|navbox|subgroup
| list1 =
* [[Flags used in Russian-occupied Ukraine]]
| list2 = {{#invoke:navbox|navbox|subgroup
| group1 = Ongoing
| list1 =
* [[2022 annexation referendums in Russian-occupied Ukraine|Annexation referendums]]
* [[Russian annexation of Donetsk, Kherson, Luhansk and Zaporizhzhia oblasts|Annexation of Donetsk, Kherson, Luhansk and Zaporizhzhia oblasts]]
* [[2023 elections in Russian-occupied Ukraine|Elections in Russian-occupied Ukraine]]
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* [[Russian-occupied territories of Ukraine]]
** [[Russian occupation of Crimea|Autonomous Republic of Crimea and Sevastopol]]
** [[Donetsk People's Republic|Donetsk Oblast]]
** [[Russian occupation of Kharkiv Oblast|Kharkiv Oblast]]
** [[Russian occupation of Kherson Oblast|Kherson Oblast]]
** [[Luhansk People's Republic|Luhansk Oblast]]
** [[Russian occupation of Mykolaiv Oblast|Mykolaiv Oblast]]
** [[Russian occupation of Zaporizhzhia Oblast|Zaporizhzhia Oblast]]
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| group2 = Previous
:My understanding is that assassinating a head of state is a war crime, but assassinating military leader isn't.
| list2 =
:See: https://www.crikey.com.au/2022/03/29/assassinate-vladimir-putin-legal-moral-arguments/
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:[[User:Tomorrow and tomorrow|Tomorrow and tomorrow]] ([[User talk:Tomorrow and tomorrow|talk]]) 22:58, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
* [[Russian occupation of Chernihiv Oblast|Chernihiv Oblast]]
* [[Russian occupation of Kyiv Oblast|Kyiv Oblast]]
* [[Snake Island campaign|Odesa Oblast]]
* [[Russian occupation of Sumy Oblast|Sumy Oblast]]
* [[Russian occupation of Zhytomyr Oblast|Zhytomyr Oblast]]
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}}
}}


| group9 = Potentially<br>related
::Most of the Crikey article is subscription-only. Assassinating the head of state of [[List of countries without armed forces|Costa Rica or another country without a standing army]] would presumably be either a murder (without a war context) or a war crime (in a war context), since without armed forces, there's no Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces. However, in countries with armed forces, [[Commander-in-chief]] generally lists the head of state as the commander-in-chief, i.e. legally the top military leader of the state, although there's a list of cases where the commander-in-chief role is dispersed or not held by the head of state. [[User:Boud|Boud]] ([[User talk:Boud|talk]]) 23:57, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
| list9 =
:::Oops sorry. Look, I am happy with your proposal. Personally, I think either works, but no reason not to have everyone happy and get consensus. Feel free to go ahead with your changes. [[User:Tomorrow and tomorrow|Tomorrow and tomorrow]] ([[User talk:Tomorrow and tomorrow|talk]]) 00:09, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
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::::{{done}} [[User:Boud|Boud]] ([[User talk:Boud|talk]]) 16:41, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
* [[2023 Black Sea drone incident|Black Sea drone incident]]
* [[Russian mystery fires (2022–present)|Mystery fires in Russia]]
* [[2022 Nord Stream pipeline sabotage|Nord Stream pipeline sabotage]]
* [[2022 Transnistria attacks|Transnistria attacks]]
* [[2022 Zagreb Tu-141 crash|Zagreb Tu-141 crash]]
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| group10 = Other
== Superscript ==
| list10 =
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* [[2022 Crimean Bridge explosion]]
* [[2023 Crimean Bridge explosion]]
* [[Assassination attempts on Volodymyr Zelenskyy]]
* [[Prelude to the Russian invasion of Ukraine#2022 Ukrainian coup d'etat attempt|Coup d'état attempt in Ukraine]]
* [[Bridges in the Russo-Ukrainian War]]
* [[Violations of non-combatant airspaces during the Russian invasion of Ukraine|Violations of non-combatant airspaces]]
** [[2022 missile explosion in Poland|Missile explosion in Poland]]
* [[Operation Synytsia]]
* [[2023 Ukrainian counteroffensive]]
* [[2024 Ukrainian cyberattacks against Russia]]
* [[Wagner Group rebellion]]
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}} [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#8a7500">Chaotic <span style="color:#9e5cb1">Enby</span></span>]] ([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|contribs]]) 17:28, 9 August 2024 (UTC)


== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 15 August 2024 ==
{{ping|Pinoccappuccino}} I don't think we should be adding superscript designators, much less emojis, to this navbox. We already have [[List of military engagements during the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine]] denoting the status of each battle. [[User:InfiniteNexus|InfiniteNexus]] ([[User talk:InfiniteNexus|talk]]) 17:02, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
:It's been three days and Pinoccappuccino has yet to respond, are there any objections from other editors to removing the emojis? [[User:InfiniteNexus|InfiniteNexus]] ([[User talk:InfiniteNexus|talk]]) 04:50, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
::No, I support removing them. [[User:Tomorrow and tomorrow|Tomorrow and tomorrow]] ([[User talk:Tomorrow and tomorrow|talk]]) 06:16, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
:::{{Done}}. [[User:InfiniteNexus|InfiniteNexus]] ([[User talk:InfiniteNexus|talk]]) 23:57, 6 April 2022 (UTC)


{{edit extended-protected|Template:Russian invasion of Ukraine|answered=no}}
== Too big ==
Request adding [[Ukrainian occupation of Kursk Oblast]] behind the link for [[August 2024 Kursk Oblast incursion]], in the following manner:

[[August 2024 Kursk Oblast incursion]] ([[Ukrainian occupation of Kursk Oblast|occupation]]) [[User:DemocracyDeprivationDisorder|DemocracyDeprivationDisorder]] ([[User talk:DemocracyDeprivationDisorder|talk]]) 17:21, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
This navbox is getting rather large. I'm thinking we may need to switch to {{tl|Navbox with collapsible groups}} to ease navigation, any thoughts on that? You can see what that would look like by changing {{tqq|Navbox}} at the top of the template to {{tqq|Navbox with collapsible groups}}, and then click preview. [[User:InfiniteNexus|InfiniteNexus]] ([[User talk:InfiniteNexus|talk]]) 17:29, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
:Good idea, but not sure what the best place is. Russian occupations of Ukrainian regions are shown in a separate row, but creating an entire row for a single link isn't really helpful, so I can't really tell for sure where it should go. [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#8a7500">Chaotic <span style="color:#9e5cb1">Enby</span></span>]] ([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|contribs]]) 18:13, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
:As in [[Template:COVID-19 pandemic]]? I just clicked "show" on all the panels there - really impressive. It's hard to think that it was barely two years ago when people were still wondering whether to take the topic seriously. Anyway, the idea is good: I think that switching to {{tl|Navbox with collapsible groups}} will be justified soon, although maybe not quite yet. Some of the individual sections of [[Template:COVID-19 pandemic]] are bigger than our whole template here. See what others think ... [[User:Boud|Boud]] ([[User talk:Boud|talk]]) 21:09, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
::Putting it as part of the Russia row seems appropriate enough for now. Unless the incursion evolves to multiple Russian oblasts having Ukrainian military administrations I think a new row isn't necessary. [[User:DemocracyDeprivationDisorder|DemocracyDeprivationDisorder]] ([[User talk:DemocracyDeprivationDisorder|talk]]) 02:25, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
::The COVID navbox is an extreme example (wow, that Locations section), navboxes don't need to be super humongous to use {{tl|Navbox with collapsible groups}}; an example of that is {{tl|Marvel Cinematic Universe}}. Still, this is a pretty major change, so I'll wait for more consensus before doing anything. Optional step, but someone will also have to go into each of the gazillion articles here and add a {{para|selected}} parameter to uncollapse the relevant sections. [[User:InfiniteNexus|InfiniteNexus]] ([[User talk:InfiniteNexus|talk]]) 22:46, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
{{od|3}} The navbox continues to grow exponentially in size. {{ping|Boud|Super Dromaeosaurus|Tomorrow and tomorrow|Elijahandskip|唐吉訶德的侍從}} do you support or oppose switching this navbox to {{tl|Navbox with collapsible groups}}? Examples can be found [[Template:Marvel Cinematic Universe|here]] and [[Template:COVID-19 pandemic|here]]. [[User:InfiniteNexus|InfiniteNexus]] ([[User talk:InfiniteNexus|talk]]) 18:05, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
:I would support it. To avoid there being too many things to un-collapse, though, maybe like:
:# "Overview" (with "Related topics" at the end of this group)
:# "Military" ("Military engagements"; "War crimes" [regular quotes, not scare quotes])
:# "Reactions"
:# "Impact and key people" ("Impact" has three lists of people, so this seems like a reasonable grouping to me)
:Or "Related topics" as the fifth group. Thoughts? <span class="nowrap"> <span style="font-family:courier">-- [[User:Tamzin|<span style="color:deeppink;">Tamzin</span>]]</span><sup>[''[[User talk:Tamzin|<span style="color:deeppink;">cetacean needed</span>]]'']</sup> (she/they)</span> 18:20, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
::Well ... the point of switching to collapsible groups is so there aren't so many subgroups-within-subgroups. [[User:InfiniteNexus|InfiniteNexus]] ([[User talk:InfiniteNexus|talk]]) 18:36, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
:::I thought the point is making it not take up so much space by default? Four collapsible groups takes up less space than seven. <span class="nowrap"> <span style="font-family:courier">-- [[User:Tamzin|<span style="color:deeppink;">Tamzin</span>]]</span><sup>[''[[User talk:Tamzin|<span style="color:deeppink;">cetacean needed</span>]]'']</sup> (she/they)</span> 19:31, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
::::When you say "space", do you mean visually (appearance) or technically (storage)? [[User:InfiniteNexus|InfiniteNexus]] ([[User talk:InfiniteNexus|talk]]) 21:04, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
:::::I mean screen space. I browse on a small monitor and often zoom in due to poor eyesight, so my perspective on layout matters is based on no having too much going on on the screen. Four groups would remain my preference over seven, but please don't let that stand in the way of a change if there's consensus for seven. <code>:)</code> <span class="nowrap"> <span style="font-family:courier">-- [[User:Tamzin|<span style="color:deeppink;">Tamzin</span>]]</span><sup>[''[[User talk:Tamzin|<span style="color:deeppink;">cetacean needed</span>]]'']</sup> (she/they)</span> 22:03, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
:::Keeping the current seven groups seems best to me. ''War crimes'' should not be included in ''military engagements'', because by definition, war crimes are ''not'' military actions. Seven is the ''[[The Magical Number Seven, Plus or Minus Two]]'' for cognitive chunking, so it's a good choice for typical humans. [[User:Boud|Boud]] ([[User talk:Boud|talk]]) 21:13, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
:I '''support''' switching to {{tl|Navbox with collapsible groups}}, but I think that the only stable option for choosing ''which'' top-level groups to collapse by default is to collapse all of them - as in the case of both [[:Template:Marvel Cinematic Universe]] and [[:Template:COVID-19 pandemic]]. Otherwise we'll waste endless energy arguing which sections are the most significant.{{pb}}I was thinking of proposing that the first group - ''Overview'' - be by default uncollapsed, but a lot of the subgroups of this are the prelude and background, and I'm not even convinced that the articles in the ''General'' subgroup really give us the best articles for an overview. I also think it could be quite difficult to do better in choosing which articles are most "general" and give the best "overview". Depending on a particular RS's way of seeing things, different aspects can be seen as the most critical. This is not completely subjective, but it's also far from objective. I think keeping the first group uncollapsed would be distracting from what many people are mostly looking for.{{pb}}So my proposal is to collapse all the sections by default.{{pb}} To handle {{tq|someone will also have to go into each of the gazillion articles here and add a {{para|selected}} parameter to uncollapse the relevant sections}}, I don't mind opening a gazillion browser tabs and editing in (almost) parallel, so if others don't do it, I would probably have a go at some of this work - it doesn't sound too difficult. [[User:Boud|Boud]] ([[User talk:Boud|talk]]) 21:09, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
::I would recommend only uncollapsing the section which the article belongs to, i.e. [[International sanctions during the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine]] would be {{para|selected|Reactions}}, [[Ghost of Kyiv]] would be {{para|selected|Impact}}, etc. [[User:InfiniteNexus|InfiniteNexus]] ([[User talk:InfiniteNexus|talk]]) 21:18, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
::Update: so apparently, the {{para|selected}} parameter can be invoked with just <code><nowiki>{{2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine|name}}</nowiki></code>. I've just added in <code>abbr</code> values to designate what to put in the <code>name</code> field. [[User:InfiniteNexus|InfiniteNexus]] ([[User talk:InfiniteNexus|talk]]) 21:31, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
:::Why not split this task among several users? I'm sure some people here would compromise to add the selected parameter for every page listed on each of the sections of the template. I can compromise myself to one of those sections if needed. [[User:Super Dromaeosaurus|<span style="color:#0099FF;">Super</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Super Dromaeosaurus|<span style="color:#800080;">Ψ</span>]] [[User talk:Super Dromaeosaurus|<span style="color:#E60026;">Dro</span>]] 22:28, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
:I recognize and admit that the template has become quite large. I would argue that it's still readable, but I also admit that the different sections on the template have different widths that make the template unpleasant to read overall. So... '''weak support'''. [[User:Super Dromaeosaurus|<span style="color:#0099FF;">Super</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Super Dromaeosaurus|<span style="color:#800080;">Ψ</span>]] [[User talk:Super Dromaeosaurus|<span style="color:#E60026;">Dro</span>]] 22:28, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
::::'''weak support''', we are bordering on too big but I am not yet critically concerned. After all there are pros and cons to switching to {{tl|Navbox with collapsible groups}} [[User:Tomorrow and tomorrow|Tomorrow and tomorrow]] ([[User talk:Tomorrow and tomorrow|talk]]) 05:32, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
{{od|5}}There seems to be consensus to switch, so I'm going to go ahead and implement the change. [[User:InfiniteNexus|InfiniteNexus]] ([[User talk:InfiniteNexus|talk]]) 17:22, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
:And {{implemented}}. To start us off, I've added <code>|Overview</code> to all of the articles in the first row (General). Further instructions can be found in the template documentation. [[User:InfiniteNexus|InfiniteNexus]] ([[User talk:InfiniteNexus|talk]]) 17:58, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

== Red link ==

Hi {{u|InfiniteNexus}}, why did you remove the link to REPowerEU without explanation [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine&diff=prev&oldid=1080819405]? A very large number of pages listed on this template exist probably because of red links that were first placed here. Just today I added a link to Headquarters of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine&diff=prev&oldid=1080765572] and there's already a draft of it [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Headquarters_of_the_Supreme_Commander-in-Chief]. I don't know if this is some kind of policy but per [[Wikipedia:Ignore all rules]], all rules preventing improvement of the Wikipedia may be ignored, and I don't see how removing a red link from where a lot of red links have gotten their pages is an improvement. [[User:Super Dromaeosaurus|<span style="color:#0099FF;">Super</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Super Dromaeosaurus|<span style="color:#800080;">Ψ</span>]] [[User talk:Super Dromaeosaurus|<span style="color:#E60026;">Dro</span>]] 18:05, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
:Beause redlinks are [[WP:CREATEFIRST|discouraged in navboxes]], and [[WP:NAVBOX]] dictates that {{tq|there should be a Wikipedia article on the subject of the template}}. Topics such as the Headquarters of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief have interlanguage links to actual articles, so it is acceptable to retain those. [[User:InfiniteNexus|InfiniteNexus]] ([[User talk:InfiniteNexus|talk]]) 20:03, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
::Per WP:CREATEFIRST, "Adding red links to navigation templates is tolerated when the missing article(s) are part of a set or series, and the template mostly consists of blue links to real articles (or article sections)." Adding this red link on the navigation template may end up on its creation, which is a net positive for Wikipedia. Many red links that I've added here were created probably in at least some cases as a result of it. Removing the red link doesn't really help this template, Wikipedia nor any user on it, and the policies don't say there the article must be created in all cases with no exceptions, so I don't see the point of this. [[User:Super Dromaeosaurus|<span style="color:#0099FF;">Super</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Super Dromaeosaurus|<span style="color:#800080;">Ψ</span>]] [[User talk:Super Dromaeosaurus|<span style="color:#E60026;">Dro</span>]] 21:10, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
:::I'm still iffy on this, but go ahead and add it back if you think it will encourage readers to create an article for it. [[User:InfiniteNexus|InfiniteNexus]] ([[User talk:InfiniteNexus|talk]]) 21:18, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
::::Great, thank you, I've re-added the link. As a compromise, I will not add another red link into the template without an interlanguage link. I still have another idea of an article that could exist that could be added into the template, so I'm proposing to wait for a reasonable amount of time (say, 1 or 2 weeks) to see if someone creates the re-added red link. If this doesn't happen, take everything I said above as irrelevant. [[User:Super Dromaeosaurus|<span style="color:#0099FF;">Super</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Super Dromaeosaurus|<span style="color:#800080;">Ψ</span>]] [[User talk:Super Dromaeosaurus|<span style="color:#E60026;">Dro</span>]] 21:43, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
:::::REPowerEU was created, so I've added the other red link I thought of [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine&diff=prev&oldid=1081632988]. [[User:Super Dromaeosaurus|<span style="color:#0099FF;">Super</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Super Dromaeosaurus|<span style="color:#800080;">Ψ</span>]] [[User talk:Super Dromaeosaurus|<span style="color:#E60026;">Dro</span>]] 17:05, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
{{od}} As you may have noticed, I haven't checked in in a while, and was completely taken aback today when I was greeted with over a dozen redlinks in the navbox. While I'm more lenient toward the interlanguage links, I really think we shouldn't be adding in redlinks that do not have an article on any Wikipedia site. There is [[WP:NORUSH]] to create any of those articles, and should anyone find those topics notable they will naturally create it, and then we can add them here. [[User:InfiniteNexus|InfiniteNexus]] ([[User talk:InfiniteNexus|talk]]) 00:35, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
:No response after more than 4 days, so removing. [[User:InfiniteNexus|InfiniteNexus]] ([[User talk:InfiniteNexus|talk]]) 05:02, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

== War crimes by who? ==

{{re|Osunpokeh}} In {{diff|Template:2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine|1081255357|1081235140|this edit}}, you introduced "Russian" into the short name (displayed name) for [[war crimes in the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine]]. While the overwhelming majority of the likely war crimes we have documented in the various war crimes articles are attributed to Russian forces, not all of the crimes are attributed to Russians, and almost none of the legal cases have their scope restricted to Russians or the Russian Federation as the suspected perpetrator. If you want to rename the main ''war crimes'' article to ''Russian war crimes in the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine'', then please propose that on the talk page there rather than making a change here. However, my prediction is a [[WP:SNOW]] rejection of the proposal: it would not be encyclopedic to restrict the scope that way. [[User:Boud|Boud]] ([[User talk:Boud|talk]]) 15:04, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 13 October 2022 ==

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I suggest adding a mention of the [[United Nations General Assembly Resolution ES-11/4]] article under Reactions->United Nations->Emergency special session as the other 3 resolutions are.
This one is very important and notable, so it should be there. [[User:CrazyPredictor|CrazyPredictor]] ([[User talk:CrazyPredictor|talk]]) 19:48, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

:{{Done}} ~~&nbsp;[[User:lol1VNIO|lol1]][[Special:Contribs/User:Lol1VNIO|<span style="color:#D11D13">VNIO</span>]]&nbsp;(<small>I&nbsp;made&nbsp;a&nbsp;mistake?</small>&nbsp;'''[[User talk:lol1VNIO|<span style="color:#006400">talk&nbsp;to&nbsp;me</span>]]''') 20:15, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 5 November 2022 ==

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I want to add a Wikipedia article link in the War Crimes, Attacks on civilians, the Wikipedia article is called Shelling of Ivano-Frankivsk, and it involves the attack on a civilian airport, a coal factory, and a warehouse, so I personally believes it belongs there, and, again, I'd like to add it. [[User:RowanJ LP|RowanJ LP]] ([[User talk:RowanJ LP|talk]]) 03:29, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
: [[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done for now:'''<!-- Template:EEp --> {{ping|RowanJ LP}} this article is already linked in Military engagements > Other > [[2022 bombing of Ivano-Frankivsk|Bombing of Ivano-Frankivsk]]. From a quick read-through it looks thats the target of the bombing was infrastructure, rather than people. Is there any evidence that this was a deliberate attack on civilian targets? '''[[User:TheGoodAndHolyLord|<span style="background:#222;color:gold;padding:1px 3px;">TG</span>]][[User talk:TheGoodAndHolyLord|<span style="background:gold;color:#111;padding:1px 3px;">HL&nbsp;↗</span>]]'''&nbsp;🍁 19:00, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
::I read a citing in the March section in the Shelling of Ivano-Frankivsk, I thought it stated that in the airport attack it tried to harm civilians leaving, but it was actually more trying to prevent, you are correct, it was to bomb the infrastructure more than to harm people, sorry about that! [[User:RowanJ LP|RowanJ LP]] ([[User talk:RowanJ LP|talk]]) 17:25, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 7 November 2022 ==

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change the Russian occupation of Kharkiv from 'ongoing' to 'previous', owing to the end of Russian occupation after the Kharkiv counteroffensive. [[User:ArqueKappa|ArqueKappa]] ([[User talk:ArqueKappa|talk]]) 03:39, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
:[[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:''' please provide [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable sources]] that support the change you want to be made.<!-- Template:EEp --> ''-- [[User:Asartea|<span style="color:#ad0000;">Asartea</span>]] [[User Talk:Asartea|<span style="color:#ad0000;"><sup>Talk</sup></span>]] <sup>&#124;</sup> [[Special:Contributions/Asartea|<span style="color:#ad0000;"><sup>Contribs</sup></span>]]'' 15:24, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 9 November 2022 ==

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add [[Kyrylo Budanov]] to the Ukrainian key people list as the HUR (Main Intelligence Service) has played a large role in this war. [[User:FiveStars1234|FiveStars1234]] ([[User talk:FiveStars1234|talk]]) 19:25, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
:{{done}}<!-- Template:EEp --> [[User:Aaron Liu|Aaron Liu]] ([[User talk:Aaron Liu|talk]]) 16:08, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

== Missing stuff and some fixes ==

This article ([[2022 Rivne missile strikes]]) is missing.

I'd also suggest moving the strikes on Zhytomyr to the military engagements part, as well as removing some duplicate strike stuff (Vinnytsya, Dnipro, etc in the war crimes part).

[[User:SnoopyBird|SnoopyBird]] ([[User talk:SnoopyBird|talk]]) 16:56, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

== Edit War ==

There has been an ongoing edit war for almost a month that has been changing this template which is on many highly viwed articles (2022 russian invasion of Ukraine, Battle of Kiev, Kherson counteroffensive, etc.) at least once a day. Could we please have a discussion rather than continue to revert edits. [[User:Starship 24|Starship 24]] ([[User talk:Starship 24|talk]]) 22:09, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
:See response on the article talk page. [[User:Mr rnddude|Mr rnddude]] ([[User talk:Mr rnddude|talk]]) 23:26, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

== Separate prelude sub-template ==

We should separate the prelude stuff from the overview sub-template (is that what you call it?) into its own sub-template because there are a lot of really specific links in there (like [[Stanytsia Luhanska kindergarten bombing]]). They are too specific for the overview tab. [[User:Mucube|Mucube]] ([[User_talk:Mucube|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mucube|contribs]]) 03:37, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

::'''Support'''—the prelude should have its own section within the template. [[User:Compusolus|Compusolus]] ([[User talk:Compusolus|talk]]) 04:21, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

Revision as of 02:25, 16 August 2024

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 7 March 2024

Please add a link to United Nations General Assembly Resolution A/RES/77/229 in the United Nations section. Doublah (talk) 13:47, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Killarnee (talk) 23:18, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 24 March 2024

Please add Violations of non-combatant airspaces during the Russian invasion of Ukraine to the "Impact" section. thanks Aqeccac (talk) 09:06, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Done ~ Eejit43 (talk) 02:56, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 11 June 2024

Please add Rustem Umerov in "Ukrainians" Key people section for Template:Russian invasion of Ukraine Muhammad Aliff1999 (talk) 12:24, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Done '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 12:34, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ukrainian civilians detained in Russia: which article?

Do we have an article or subsection covering the detention of Ukrainian adult civilians in Russia and/or the Ukrainian occupied territories during the invasion of Ukraine? Boud (talk) 16:08, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There's an 86-page report Report on violations and abuses of international humanitarian and human rights law, war crimes and crimes against humanity, related to the arbitrary deprivation of liberty of Ukrainian civilians by the Russian Federation (Q127507090), plus an EJIL summary of the report by two of the human rights experts who authored it, on the topic of Ukrainian civilians detained in the occupied parts of Ukraine (it's not clear to me if Ukrainian civilians deported to Russia are included): The Moscow Mechanism Expert Report: On the Arbitrary Deprivation of Liberty of Ukrainian Civilians by the Russian Federation (Q127506242). These can be cited with {{cite Q}}, as in Moscow Mechanism#2020s, since the report is a result of using the Moscow Mechanism. Boud (talk) 17:01, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My guess is "No". The closest we seem to have is Russian filtration camps for Ukrainians. Boud (talk) 18:27, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There is no specific page I guess. See Child abductions in the Russo-Ukrainian War and War_crimes_in_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine#Abduction_and_deportation. We also have Prisoners of war in the Russian invasion of Ukraine, many Ukrainian "POWs" are not POWs, but civilians [1],[2]. See also Category:Ukrainian people taken hostage. My very best wishes (talk) 19:53, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I also see the report here. That's a lot of info and definitely deserves a separate page. My very best wishes (talk) 14:44, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Separate section for attacks in Russia?

With the growing number of offensives in Western Russia, including the current large-scale August 2024 Kursk Oblast incursion, it could make sense to separate them into a new geographical section, with the "Military engagements" subgroup changing to:

Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 17:28, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 15 August 2024

Request adding Ukrainian occupation of Kursk Oblast behind the link for August 2024 Kursk Oblast incursion, in the following manner: August 2024 Kursk Oblast incursion (occupation) DemocracyDeprivationDisorder (talk) 17:21, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Good idea, but not sure what the best place is. Russian occupations of Ukrainian regions are shown in a separate row, but creating an entire row for a single link isn't really helpful, so I can't really tell for sure where it should go. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 18:13, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Putting it as part of the Russia row seems appropriate enough for now. Unless the incursion evolves to multiple Russian oblasts having Ukrainian military administrations I think a new row isn't necessary. DemocracyDeprivationDisorder (talk) 02:25, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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