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Can we get a list of sources going? Otherwise we'll just add information that we won't be able to find a proper source for later.--[[User:Megaman en m|Megaman en m]] ([[User talk:Megaman en m|talk]]) 06:48, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
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:Is anyone still willing to work on this article?--[[User:Megaman en m|Megaman en m]] ([[User talk:Megaman en m|talk]]) 17:11, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
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:::[[User:Megaman en m]] [[User:MegaGoat]] I made an article with sources now and submitted :)
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| dykentry =... that '''[[Sans (Undertale)|Sans]]'''{{`s}} boss theme, "[[Megalovania]]", was played at the [[Vatican City|Vatican]] as part of a circus act during an audience with [[Pope Francis]]?
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::::Thank you for working on the article, it's genuinely a great help. I corrected some of the grammar and trimmed a lot of unsourced or unnotable material. This article should be ready for publishing at this point I think. A lot of work can still be done on expanding the development and reception section. Some story elements still need to be removed/explained from an out-of-universe perspective (such as "judgment hall" or "genocide run".)--[[User:Megaman en m|Megaman en m]] ([[User talk:Megaman en m|talk]]) 09:28, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
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:::::I appreciate your copy edits thank you for that, Ive restored the mods and some of the character's apperances cuz it is still notable
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:This article is far from being publish-worthy. The bare minimum would that still needs to be added is a plot summary of what Sans does in Undertale and Deltarune along with a reception section. A development section would also be nice. [[Toriel]] is not perfect, but this article should come close to that in length and detail.--[[User:Megaman en m|Megaman en m]] ([[User talk:Megaman en m|talk]]) 08:24, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
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::Except sans doesn't do much in deltarune chapter one except make an appearance.[[User:MegaGoat|Mᴇɢᴀɢᴏᴀᴛ]] ([[User talk:MegaGoat|talk]]) 16:11, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
:::In that case you'll only have to write one sentence on his appearance.--[[User:Megaman en m|Megaman en m]] ([[User talk:Megaman en m|talk]]) 17:10, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
::::There is already one about that ;( [[User:MegaGoat|Mᴇɢᴀɢᴏᴀᴛ]] ([[User talk:MegaGoat|talk]]) 17:47, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
:::::Oh yeah, I didn't notice that somehow. Still, it would need more detailed information on what he does in Undertale.--[[User:Megaman en m|Megaman en m]] ([[User talk:Megaman en m|talk]]) 18:30, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
::::::I don't understand why we can no longer view the sans image, neither do I know how to fix images or even upload them. [[User:MegaGoat|Mᴇɢᴀɢᴏᴀᴛ]] ([[User talk:MegaGoat|talk]]) 17:38, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
:::::::I'm not sure what happened either, maybe the fair use wasn't specified?--[[User:Megaman en m|Megaman en m]] ([[User talk:Megaman en m|talk]]) 17:49, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
::::::::Fangamer has created a 3D render figure of sans, or maybe we could use his appearance in SSBU as the costume. [[User:MegaGoat|Mᴇɢᴀɢᴏᴀᴛ]] ([[User talk:MegaGoat|talk]]) 15:38, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
:::::::::He should definitely have an image that's most representative of his main appearances, which would be the overworld sprite from undertale/deltarune. In other words, the image which got mysteriously deleted. I guess someone should just reupload it and make sure that all the [[WP:NFCCP|non-free content criteria]] is explained.--[[User:Megaman en m|Megaman en m]] ([[User talk:Megaman en m|talk]]) 16:25, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
::::::::::Another representative thing I can think of is his battle sprite with his blue eye, that would definitely make loads of fans happy. But the other problem is that you can't battle sans in deltarune. [[User:MegaGoat|Mᴇɢᴀɢᴏᴀᴛ]] ([[User talk:MegaGoat|talk]]) 16:46, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
:::::::::::I would stick with the overworld sprite, there is no need to use a sprite which only appears in one scene of the game.--[[User:Megaman en m|Megaman en m]] ([[User talk:Megaman en m|talk]]) 16:50, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
It appears twice, but I get your point. [[User:MegaGoat|Mᴇɢᴀɢᴏᴀᴛ]] ([[User talk:MegaGoat|talk]]) 16:55, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

:I found this image, is it free to use? File:Sans Undertale.jpg [[User:MegaGoat|MᴇɢᴀGᴏᴀᴛ]] ([[User talk:MegaGoat|talk]]) 11:59, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

::I've been working on a version of this article in my sandbox, I would like to know what could be changed. [[User:MegaGoat|MegaGoat]] ([[User talk:MegaGoat|talk]]) 17:53, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

:::Dang, I missed a lot of the development on this page over the weekend. [[User:MegaGoat|MegaGoat]] ([[User talk:MegaGoat|talk]]) 12:51, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

::::I want to get rid of the part where it says " around the same time, he also recieved his own amibo figure from nintendo" because nintendo does not authorize the custom amibo figure, but first I wanted some opinions. (if I can get some.) [[User:MegaGoat|MegaGoat]] ([[User talk:MegaGoat|talk]]) 17:54, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

:::::Hi all, I don't think it's fair to use fanmade content to flesh out the page. [[User:VentureSonic|VentureSonic]] ([[User talk:VentureSonic|talk]]) 19:16, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

::::::Also, I (and others) have been working on [[Draft:Sans (character)|Sans page of my own]] although this page seems much more fleshed out and detailed. If you'd like to take portions from that page and append them here go ahead. [[User:VentureSonic|VentureSonic]] ([[User talk:VentureSonic|talk]]) 19:20, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

:::::::[[User:VentureSonic]] I already did on the plot, thanks for that, but Sometimes a fan made has RS, it is notable. the flush merchandise that you've placed on your draft was not rs unlike this one you'd removed btw :)

::::::::Apparently it is now an article. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/60.113.79.85|60.113.79.85]] ([[User talk:60.113.79.85#top|talk]]) 00:03, 29 October 2019 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

::::::::: The article could still add information about his appearance in official merchandise.--[[User:Megaman en m|Megaman en m]] ([[User talk:Megaman en m|talk]]) 11:00, 29 October 2019 (UTC)
:::::::::: Hello! on the Deltarune description of Sans, I edited it to more accurately fit his appearance in the game. This way it isn't one vague sentence. I also edited somewhat awkward grammar and changed "Genocide Route" to "No mercy Route" (the preferred name for the route by Toby Fox) ––[[User:DeliSample|DeliSample]] ([[User talk:DeliSample|talk]]) 13:36, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

== Image needed ==
can some upload image of sans this one [https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/undertale/images/4/44/Sansanimated.gif/revision/latest?cb=20181110100333], thanks. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/60.113.79.85|60.113.79.85]] ([[User talk:60.113.79.85#top|talk]]) 00:08, 29 October 2019 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:You need to supply the url of the page that the image appears on, not the direct link to the gif. This is necessary for licensing purposes. --[[User:AussieLegend|'''<span style="color:#008751;">Aussie</span><span style="color:#fcd116;">Legend</span>''']] ([[User talk:AussieLegend#top|<big>✉</big>]]) 00:18, 29 October 2019 (UTC)
::[[User:AussieLegend]] here [https://undertale.fandom.com/wiki/Sans] <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/60.113.79.85|60.113.79.85]] ([[User talk:60.113.79.85#top|talk]]) 00:26, 29 October 2019 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

I found this file named File:Sans Undertale.jpg, maybe it could be added? [[User:MegaGoat|MegaGoat]] ([[User talk:MegaGoat|talk]]) 17:23, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
:I'd prefer his default pose, but this is better than nothing, so I'd say add it for now.--[[User:Megaman en m|Megaman en m]] ([[User talk:Megaman en m|talk]]) 17:37, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

That was fun while it lasted. how about a pic from [https://www.seekpng.com/ks/undertale-png/ seekpng]? is their [https://www.seekpng.com/idmca/ DMCA notice] enough for wikipeida? [[User:Hydromania|Hydromania]] ([[User talk:Hydromania|talk]]) 09:31, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

School computers blocked both websites, I can't make the call. [[User:MegaGoat|MegaGoat]] ([[User talk:MegaGoat|talk]]) 11:40, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
:I've uploaded a correctly sourced image per requests. -[[User:Liance|Liance]]<sup>[[User_talk:Liance|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Liance|contribs]]</sup> 18:44, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

== title changed without consensus ==

the title should be changed back into Sans (Undertale) not this current one, as there will might be more sans on video game in the future. [[Special:Contributions/222.112.112.75|222.112.112.75]] ([[User talk:222.112.112.75|talk]]) 07:01, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

:If there are going to be other games with Sans in them (like Deltarune), that's all the more reason not to put 'Undertale' in the article's title.--[[User:Megaman en m|Megaman en m]] ([[User talk:Megaman en m|talk]]) 09:40, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

== Requested move 9 July 2021 ==

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The result of the move request was: '''moved.''' <small>([[Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions#Closure by a page mover|closed by non-admin page mover]])</small> [[User:Elli|Elli]] ([[User_talk:Elli|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Elli|contribs]]) 21:53, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
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[[:Sans (character)]] → {{no redirect|Sans (Undertale)}} – Fictional elements are disambiguated by work or franchise of origin. –[[User:LaundryPizza03|<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b>]] ([[User talk:LaundryPizza03|<span style="color:#0d0">d</span>]][[Special:Contribs/LaundryPizza03|<span style="color:#0bf">c̄</span>]]) 15:59, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per nominator. [[User:JIP|<span style="color: #CC0000;">J</span><span style="color: #00CC00;">I</span><span style="color: #0000CC;">P</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:JIP|Talk]] 19:02, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
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== Semi-protected edit request on 19 September 2021 ==

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Can someone add this on '''reception''' section. ''TheGamer'' included Sans on their "Iconic Video Game Characters", stating that "In Undertale, you explore a land of unique characters and villains that quickly will grab your attention."<ref>https://www.thegamer.com/iconic-video-game-characters-last-decade/</ref> [[Special:Contributions/126.60.255.230|126.60.255.230]] ([[User talk:126.60.255.230|talk]]) 02:54, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
: {{not done}}. We have plenty of quotes from more reliable/recognizable sources that say basically the same thing. Also, your quote has very little to do with Sans himself. [[User:Ganbaruby|<span style="color:#960596">◢</span> <b><i style="background-color:#F7E3F7; color:#960596"> Ganbaruby! </i></b>]] <small>([[User talk:Ganbaruby|talk]])</small> 04:36, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

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== Moving to Sans (Toby Fox) ==

Why isn't Sans (Toby Fox) a print worthy title? [[User:Faster than Thunder|Faster than Thunder]] ([[User talk:Faster than Thunder|talk]]) 22:31, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
: What's wrong with Sans (Undertale)? If we are disambiguating fictional characters in titles, we typically parenthesize the show or series they are from, not the name of the creator. See [[Spike_(character)]] for some examples. <b>[[User:Ohnoitsjamie|OhNo<span style="color: #D47C14;">itsJamie</span>]] [[User talk:Ohnoitsjamie|<sup>Talk</sup>]]</b> 23:12, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
:: Can we use Sans (Undertale/Deltarune)? [[User:Faster than Thunder|Faster than Thunder]] ([[User talk:Faster than Thunder|talk]]) 23:25, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
::: The current name is fine. Why would we change the name based on a brief appearance in another game? Also see the move discussion above where the current name was proposed. <b>[[User:Ohnoitsjamie|OhNo<span style="color: #D47C14;">itsJamie</span>]] [[User talk:Ohnoitsjamie|<sup>Talk</sup>]]</b> 23:26, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
::::The typical naming convention for characters appearing in multiple games would be [[Sans (character)]], although I don't think he has yet had a major enough role in Deltarune to merit this (at least, yet). [[User:Zxcvbnm|ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ]] ([[User talk:Zxcvbnm|ᴛ]]) 17:50, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

== Tumblr "Sexyman" Poll ==

Although quite funny honestly, I don't think it should be mentioned here. I'm not sure if a Twitter poll about a Tumblr "Sexyman" would be notable or of encyclopedic value here, it really feels like [[WP:GAMECRUFT]] sadly. Viewers who have no idea what UNDERTALE, DELTARUNE, or sans is would probably be totally confused as to why this is such an achievement. [[User:Sparkl|<span style="color: #F6F020;background-color: #A06C23;padding: 1px 4px 2px 3px">'''''Sparkl'''''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sparkl|<span style="color: #F6F020;background-color: #D59C4B;padding: 1px 3px 2px 3px">''talk''</span>]]</sup> 13:27, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

:{{ping|Sparkl}} I agree. Not only is Tumblr basically dying but I"ve never even heard of this. ― [[User:Blaze Wolf|<b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Blaze&nbsp;Wolf</b>]][[User talk:Blaze Wolf|<sup>Talk</sup>]]<sub title="Discord Username" style="margin-left:-22q;">Blaze&nbsp;Wolf#6545</sub> 13:29, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

== Semi-protected edit request on 9 December 2022 ==

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Sans is not simply a brief cameo in Deltarune, but a full character/npc! [[User:EditorPedia94|EditorPedia94]] ([[User talk:EditorPedia94|talk]]) 15:36, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
:[[File:Red question icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:''' it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a [[WP:EDITXY|"change X to Y" format]] and provide a [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable source]] if appropriate.<!-- Template:ESp --> ― [[User:Blaze Wolf|<b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Blaze&nbsp;Wolf</b>]][[User talk:Blaze Wolf|<sup>Talk</sup>]]<sub title="Discord Username" style="margin-left:-22q;">Blaze&nbsp;Wolf#6545</sub> 15:37, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

== The Significance of Sans Smash Bros Appearence ==

There should be a sentence or two outlining just how outrageous it is that Sans is in Smash. It deserves more than a passing mention.

Certainly more than the fact that he...won a tumblr poll...about "sexymen".

Maybe it's time to unlock this article at let real scholars on the character do some work? It's 2023. Nobody is crazy about sans anymore. [[Special:Contributions/2600:8801:1389:9800:7F62:7628:BD5E:A61|2600:8801:1389:9800:7F62:7628:BD5E:A61]] ([[User talk:2600:8801:1389:9800:7F62:7628:BD5E:A61|talk]]) 16:08, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

:You'd be surprised how many people are still crazy about Sans. Also, "real scholars" usually aren't interested in a video game character. ― [[User:Blaze Wolf|<b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Blaze&nbsp;Wolf</b>]][[User talk:Blaze Wolf|<sup>Talk</sup>]]<sub title="Discord Username" style="margin-left:-22q;">Blaze&nbsp;Wolf#6545</sub> 16:12, 25 February 2023 (UTC)


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Anyway. I also added you as a conom for GA nomination. [[User:Greenish Pickle!|<span style="background:green;border-radius:9999px;padding:1px 8px;color:white;"><span style="font-weight:bold">Greenish</span>Pickle!</span>]] ([[User talk:Greenish Pickle!|🔔]]) 12:48, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
Anyway. I also added you as a conom for GA nomination. [[User:Greenish Pickle!|<span style="background:green;border-radius:9999px;padding:1px 8px;color:white;"><span style="font-weight:bold">Greenish</span>Pickle!</span>]] ([[User talk:Greenish Pickle!|🔔]]) 12:48, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
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== Semi-protected edit request on 25 March 2024 ==

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"He is often paired with his brother, also named after a font [[Papyrus (typeface)|of the same name]]" is awkward/redundant phrasing. Please change to "He is often paired with his brother, [[Papyrus (typeface)|also named after a font]]". [[Special:Contributions/12.0.209.58|12.0.209.58]] ([[User talk:12.0.209.58|talk]]) 15:43, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
: {{done}}. <span style="border:#000000;border:2px solid #000000;padding:2px">'''λ''' [[User:NegativeMP1|<span style="color:#264e85">'''Negative'''</span>]][[User talk:NegativeMP1|<span style="color:#7d43b5">'''MP1'''</span>]]</span> 16:49, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
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==Did you know nomination==
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== What basis, for these propositions? ==

The article says, "[Sans] has also gained popularity because of his prominence in several user-created mods and other projects, as well as his use as an Internet meme." What is the factual basis for stating this? How was his popularity assessed, and when was it assessed, and by whom? Please provide a link to an explanation of the methodology that was used to differentiate the direction of causality in these two relationships:
#The effect of the character's popularity on the frequency of his being selected as the subject of game mods and memes; and
#The effect of the frequency of his appearances in secondary media on his popularity.
Thank you for your attention to these matters because some of this article's assertions strike me as being rather slippery. [[User:Catsmoke|—catsmoke]] [[User talk:Catsmoke|<sup>talk</sup>]] 05:38, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

:While I wouldn't ask for quite as detailed an analysis—bordering on or becoming a kind of [[WP:OR|original research]]—I'll point out that the sentence OP pointed out from the lead seems to invert what the body text of the article says ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sans_(Undertale)&oldid=1217463104 permanent link]): {{tq|He has also been well-received by Undertale fans, being the subject of many fan works and projects, such as in numerous games, creations, and video game mods.}} That's to say, according to the body text, Sans's appearance in mods is evidence of his popularity, rather than a cause of it. [[User:Hydrangeans|Hydrangeans]] ([[She (pronoun)|she/her]] &#124; [[User talk:Hydrangeans#top|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Hydrangeans|edits]]) 05:42, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
::You both make a lot of sense! Do you have a suggestion for how to change? Specifically from "what" to "what"? Thanks. I will do my best as I try to finish the copyedit. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Yogabear2020|Yogabear2020]]</span> <small> (N.B. NoviceEditor; [[User talk:Yogabear2020|Talk]])</small></span> 12:13, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
:::I meant that his critics praised the character for his humor, and boss fight, including its musical theme, "Megalovania. (Sans became popular because of his boss fight and its song, which he also became an internet meme for somehow.) So I'm not sure how to make a word about all of that. Also, the "breaking the fourth wall" mention should be removed, as well as the Smash Bros. thing because it looks irrelevant now to mention like that. (Non-native English) [[User:Greenish Pickle!|<span style="background:green;border-radius:9999px;padding:1px 8px;color:white;"><span style="font-weight:bold">Greenish</span>Pickle!</span>]] ([[User talk:Greenish Pickle!|🔔]]) 13:25, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
::::Ok, understood. {{done}} See what you think. <br> And I think I have resolved the other similar issue/s later in the article raised by {{ping|Catsmoke}} and {{ping|Hydrangeans}}. (the connection between popularity, meme-hood, song, how it all happened, consistent statements of causality in the article overall, sounding like [[WP:OR| OR]] or not quite [[WP:NPOV|NPOV]] etc.). I hope it's now less "slippery", more consistent, and more neutral; if it is worded better, you can thank {{ping| Greenish Pickle!}}, not me. And, if not ok, I'm sure you all can fix my shoddy work. — <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Yogabear2020|Yogabear2020]]</span> <small> (N.B. NoviceEditor; [[User talk:Yogabear2020|Talk]])</small></span> 16:01, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
:::::No. I should thank you for your efforts for this article. I'm not quite sure about the lead a little bit, but ill recheck it again once I woke up. [[User:Greenish Pickle!|<span style="background:green;border-radius:9999px;padding:1px 8px;color:white;"><span style="font-weight:bold">Greenish</span>Pickle!</span>]] ([[User talk:Greenish Pickle!|🔔]]) 16:45, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
:::::I feel like this lead should be fine now. Thanls to the copyguild editor. [[User:Greenish Pickle!|<span style="background:green;border-radius:9999px;padding:1px 8px;color:white;"><span style="font-weight:bold">Greenish</span>Pickle!</span>]] ([[User talk:Greenish Pickle!|🔔]]) 22:18, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

== "the Skeleton" naming ==

Forgive me if I sound a bit pedantic, but I'm not sure "the Skeleton" is suitable to put as Sans' bolded name in the lead based on one line from the game. It could very easily be considered a description of what type of monster he is rather than his full name, and a good majority of sources call him merely Sans. ― <kbd style="font-size:85%">[[User:Mir Novov|<b style="color:#270;rotate:-2deg;display:inline-block">novov</b>]] [[User talk:Mir Novov|<span style="color:#790">(t</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Mir Novov|<span style="color:#790">c)</span>]]</kbd> 05:44, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

:hmmm. Kinda make sense. Self reverting myself. Thanks for weighing up at the talk page. [[User:Greenish Pickle!|<span style="background:green;border-radius:9999px;padding:1px 8px;color:white;"><span style="font-weight:bold">Greenish</span>Pickle!</span>]] ([[User talk:Greenish Pickle!|🔔]]) 05:48, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

== Content changes made to 'Sans in Japanese' and 'PSR ideas by Elvery' ==

As part of a GOCE edit, '''I amended some content''' a bit more than slightly to support and help make clear the ideas of previous contributors, using the already cited relevant sources. This applies to two sections:
* In the section about '''the Japanese version of Sans''' (under [[Sans (Undertale)#Concept and design| Concept and design]]), I added supporting text and changed some paraphrased ideas, using the main cited source for guidance. This was an attempt to make the ideas more clear, readable, and to match the source. I am not an expert in Japanese; but I took ideas from the source and also added some direct quotations for support.
* In the section about ''''PSRs with Sans'''<nowiki/>' by Gabriel Elvery (under [[Sans (Undertale)#Critical reception| Critical reception]]), I added material and rephrased some, based on my reading of the cited paper by Elvery. The previous version was concise but a little unclear, and it had some unattributed quotes. Using the cited source, I attempted to flesh out the argument and included direct quotation; in addition, I amended some of the paraphrasing, while attempting to retain points made by previous contributor(s). My changes made the section longer—I hope not too long.
* In the PSR section, I have corrected for '''the preferred pronouns''' 'they/their' of the cited author (Elvery), using the author's last name in place of pronouns, '''added a citation'''<ref>{{cite web |date=2015-04-09 |title=Postgraduate research students |url=https://www.gla.ac.uk/pgrs/gabrielelvery/ |access-date=2024-04-10 |website=University of Glasgow |ref={{sfnref | University of Glasgow | 2015}}}}</ref> as reference for both their pronoun usage and academic credentials.

I am not an expert on any of the content topics. If something about my changes could be improved, please do so, or start a discussion in a new thread below to make content suggestions. This thread is just to acknowledge my a bit more than slight content changes, during a GOCE edit focused on readability, MOS style, issues of attribution, etc. Thanks. —<span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Yogabear2020|Yogabear2020]]</span> <small> (N.B. NoviceEditor; [[User talk:Yogabear2020|Talk]])</small></span> 15:31, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
{{reflist-talk}} <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Yogabear2020|Yogabear2020]]</span> <small> (N.B. NoviceEditor; [[User talk:Yogabear2020|Talk]])</small></span> 15:31, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

:I trust your edits and I will say that once again, thank you for the efforts. [[User:Greenish Pickle!|<span style="background:green;border-radius:9999px;padding:1px 8px;color:white;"><span style="font-weight:bold">Greenish</span> Pickle!</span>]] ([[User talk:Greenish Pickle!|🔔]]) 22:09, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

== Semi-protected edit request on 19 May 2024 ==

{{edit semi-protected|Sans (Undertale)|answered=yes}}
Change link in "Artist Drak designed a Steam trading card based on Sans that came packaged with a collection of Undertale cards" from Steam, the gaseous form of water, to Steam (service), the video game store. [[User:Skyiest|Skyiest]] ([[User talk:Skyiest|talk]]) 17:49, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
:{{done}}. <span style="border:#000000;border:2px solid #000000;padding:2px">'''λ''' [[User:NegativeMP1|<span style="color:#264e85">'''Negative'''</span>]][[User talk:NegativeMP1|<span style="color:#7d43b5">'''MP1'''</span>]]</span> 17:52, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

== Is Sans able to switch fonts? ==

It was revealed in a Mini-Newsletter ( dont know which ) that Sans could change fonts. Do the community see this as Cannon, or not? [[User:Mm Chez|Mm Chez]] ([[User talk:Mm Chez|talk]]) 14:16, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

:whether or not the fanbase thinks this fact is somehow a large-caliber artillery weapon (unless you meant [[wikt:canon|canon]]) only matters here if [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable sources]] pick up on it, which citations 7 and 8 have fortunately already done '''[[User:Cogsan|<span style="color:#8a440a">cogsan</span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Cogsan|<span style="color:#8a440a">(nag me)</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Cogsan|<span style="color:#8a440a">(stalk me)</span>]]</sub>''' 14:25, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Revision as of 14:25, 6 August 2024

Good articleSans (Undertale) has been listed as one of the Video games good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
Did You Know Article milestones
DateProcessResult
August 15, 2023Articles for deletionKept
March 23, 2024Good article nomineeNot listed
March 28, 2024Good article nomineeListed
April 12, 2024Guild of Copy EditorsCopyedited
Did You Know A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on April 29, 2024.
The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that Sans's boss theme, "Megalovania", was played at the Vatican as part of a circus act during an audience with Pope Francis?
Current status: Good article

Infobox image

Question: why is the infobox image a 3D render rather than how Sans appears in Undertale? Both are/can be fair-use images. Spinixster (chat!) 09:41, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To show how the character appears in color, while the sprites were deemed too low resolution.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 14:38, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I see what you mean, but I'm not sure those reasons necessarily outweigh the value the sprite depiction would/could have. The sprite depiction is way Sans appears for the preponderance of his appearances in media. It's what readers will most likely recognize, if they do recognize Sans. P-Makoto (she/her) (talk) 02:15, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The design her doesn't take away from that, and he's appeared in enough external media it's fair to argue for (case in point, consider someone only knowing him from the Smash Bros. skin)--Kung Fu Man (talk) 03:51, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 14 March 2024

in the part after it says "the camera zooms on him it never gets old" the article says "Its boss fight" but it should say "His boss fight" or "It's boss fight" 136.36.47.34 (talk) 22:18, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Closed as this was  Done by User:Ohnoitsjamie. ― novov (t c) 01:45, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Images used for Undertale character articles

Why use fangamer renders instead of the pixel art sprites which appear in the game? FizzleDrunk (talk) 14:37, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@FizzleDrunk, you should read the discuss section Infobox image so you could learn. NatwonTSG2 (talk) 22:49, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, understood FizzleDrunk (talk) 10:28, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 20 March 2024

Changing the line "In January 2022, a rendition of Sans' theme, "Megalovania", was played in front of Pope Francis." to "In January 2022, a rendition of Sans' battle theme, "Megalovania", was played in front of Pope Francis." Since it is a point of debate if Megalovania is actually Sans' theme or Chara's theme. To make it more understandable for people wanting to learn about the character and not interested in game theories, that simple change would be factually correct and still easy to understand. Persea gatuna (talk) 21:08, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Done, though with slightly altered wording. ― novov (t c) 05:00, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Planning to GA

Tagging some authors here? GoatLordServant and Skyshifter Hey peeps, so I might be planning to make this article into GA, but I need some help on lead and maybe a bit in appearances section like the quote stuff as a source should be fine? Thank you. GreenishPickle! (🔔) 22:22, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think I'm finished. Feel free to copyedit for something. GreenishPickle! (🔔) 02:24, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Greenish Pickle!: I can't tell what the bit 'When Fox first designed Sans, he did so to make more skeleton puns, but he didn't think it was humorous enough, so he later scrapped it for artist Temmie Chang.' is trying to say. Would you may write it more legibly? I can't make sense of it enough to fix. ~ GoatLordServant(Talk) 12:32, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Its over here [1]. You have to make a word for yourself thou. GreenishPickle! (🔔) 12:33, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That site is blocked on my laptop. ~ GoatLordServant(Talk) 12:44, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It was all written like this on concept art. Toby Fox: Uhh. He looked different, but Sans was just Sans. Originally he was going to tell more skeleton puns, but it wasn't as funny as I thought it would be. Temmie Chang: Temmy figuring out Sans's outfit. He was going to be running poker at the casino at some point. Oh yeah, there isn't acasino... is there?

Anyway. I also added you as a conom for GA nomination. GreenishPickle! (🔔) 12:48, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Sans (Undertale)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: Greenish Pickle! (talk · contribs) GoatLordServant (talk · contribs)

Reviewer: Pokelego999 (talk · contribs) 12:53, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No way it's Sans Undertale. Will try to get this done in the coming days. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 12:53, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Greenish Pickle! (talk · contribs) @GoatLordServant (talk · contribs)

Review

Six Good Article Criteria

1. The prose is riddled with numerous typos and errors, but I'm willing to give it a pass since overall the article is well written and says what it needs to.

2. Most info is in the article, and any not cited information has been pointed out below, and it only applies to plot info. Earwig picks up no major copyright violations beyond the direct quotations.

3. The article, I would say, is not broad in its coverage. Nearly all of the sources in the article's Reception are trivial and do not aid in an understanding or analysis of Sans. While some sources do help, there is not enough here to establish a proper Reception section beyond something incredibly- and pardon the pun- barebones.

4. Article is neutral, and does not take a stance on a particular issue or topic.

5. Article appears stable. No major edit conflicts in the days prior to editing nor recently.

6. Article has two fair use images and a fair use media file. All three have valid uses and rationales in the article.

Lead

-"and first appeared in" change and to who.  Done

-"Initially appearing as a friendly NPC with an easy-going, laid-back personality and also the brother of Papyrus." is not a proper sentence, I'd change this to "He initially appears as... and is also the brother of Papyrus."  Done

-"He was originally created as a character to make more skeleton puns, though Fox did not like this idea as it was not humorous enough, so he scrapped it." Confused on this since Sans wasn't scrapped? Reword this to be more clear.  Done

Concept and design

-"and at this point in development the character was called "Comic Sans" after the typeface, described simply as the brother of the game's second boss Papyrus, following the same naming scheme." A bit of a run-on sentence. I'd shorten this a bit.  Done

-"Sans refers to itself in as サンズ/Sanzu, which may refer to the 三途の河/Sanzu River, also known as the "Sanzu no kawa" or the river that separates life from death, and judges for those that pass it." Change "itself" to "himself" and fix up grammar at the "judges for those that pass it" section.  Done

-"Sans uses oira, and anta, and sometimes omae towards his friends and he also switches his gender-neutral speaking style into omae and ore when he is either being serious or talking to his brother, and then also uses sentence finals such as sa and na." Run-on sentence once again. I'd split this sentence.  Done

-"When Sans meets the main character, he tells a story where he again switches to "Kansai ben" about a meeting he had in the woods. He only does this once, and in other ways, he speaks the standard language." Entirely confused as to what this is supposed to mean. The following sentences are also very confusing, especially as someone entirely unfamiliar with Japanese as a language. I'd add clarification for the various things you're referring to here because this is entirely unfriendly to readers without this knowledge.  Done

-Your sourcing on the language stuff mostly seems to hail from a master's thesis. I am unfortunately unfamiliar, but I'm not entirely certain of the reliability of this source in regards to the info you're trying to verify. I'd suggest trying to find a better source, unless I am completely wrong, in which case correct me. **It has been cited multiple times, and this whos that the master's thesis is reliable (It has been also used in other Undertale articles by other Users as well). GreenishPickle! (🔔) 23:24, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Appearances

-"Sans is a skeleton wearing a blue jacket, black shorts with white stripes, and white slippers." not really relevant to the appearances.  Done removing

-"Unlike his brother Papyrus, Sans claims has no interest in capturing humans." Add he, which I've done myself since it's a minor fix. I'd also suggest finding a better source than a quote, but that won't affect the article's potential promotion either way. This appears to be trivia now.  Done removing

-Source the info of Sans following the player through the Underground.  Done

-The quote used for Sans's phone call does not support what you're saying. Find a better source for this.  Done

-The cut content appears for fitting for "Concept and design" than appearances. I'd also remove the "Afterward."  Done

-"Outside the Undertale" change to "Outside of Undertale"  Done

-Remove the comma after "where" in the sentence about his Deltarune appearance.  Done

Promotion and Reception

-I'd change "being featured" to "such as" in the second sentence of the second paragraph.  Done

-The Kotaku quote seems to be trivial coverage, as it only covers Sans's associations with Gaster, and the "endearing" quote is a single sentence.  Done removing

-Change "he said that he is" in the Dualshockers quote to something like "stating that." I'd also shorten the quote to cut out the teddy bear bit.  Done

-The Polygon source seems pretty trivial. Good for showing his popularity but the comments themselves don't add much.

  • I dosagree with this one, polyon of all other sourced you mentioned here seems to be valuable to me.

-"Destructoid writer CJ Andriessen believed that Sans' appearance in Smash Bros. had increased to his desire, and thought that he was too late to play Undertale." Firstly, the grammar here needs improvement, with "increased to his desire" being better as "increased his desire." Secondly, this sentence does not contribute anything to Sans's notability, referring more to the game to him. Thirdly, this is a trivial mention, with the article only mentioning Sans once.  Done removing

-Not critical but you can definitely expand the Reception with the info from the parasocial relationships paper. There looks to be a lot in there at a glance.  Done not really a lot in that article, as we should only cite what he says in the conclusion. So expanded now.

-Sans in the Klausen article is a trivial mention, and the article and quote themselves are more about the game than Sans.  Done removing

-The Walker Kotaku quote appears to be relatively trivial. Not terrible but it doesn't provide much.  Done removing

-"Writer Frederic Seraphie compared the battle with Sans to "breaking the fourth wall," stating that genocide happens in the game, notably in the fight with Sans. He considered using genocide as a metaphorical way to "break" Undertale after concluding that it is the most ludonarratively dissonant game mechanic. He continued by saying that the battle against Sans disrupts numerous processes." Genocide being in the game is a bit of a given, given that we just had the Genocide Route described to us. Try shortening it and removing the unneeded context. Also, I'd use a term not as wordy as "ludonarratively" given that not many readers will know what that word means. Additionally, what "numerous processes" does Sans disrupt? How does he do it? I can't access the source due to a citing error, so I can't really comment on its reliability or analysis content, but I'd improve this section a lot.  Done I jist ended up the disruptive stuff being removed as it looks irrelevant

-The leitmotif article just states whenever Sans's leitmotif pops up, and offers no commentary, with even the bit being cited just showing how a different theme evolves the Sans leitmotif (Which is in and of itself a trivial mention.)  Done removing

-The 700 Club source doesn't really ad d much. It just states a minor incident happens with Sans and moves on. The summary is unneeded, especially the direct quote, and in my eyes doesn't constitute as SIGCOV.  Done removing   -Add quotations to the Destructoid quote at the end of the Tumblr Sexyman paragraph, since that's a direct quote from the article in question.  Done

-Technically not Reception, but the source about Patrick and Sans doesn't really need to be given as external reading. If it's important, cite it in the article. Done removing

Overall

I frankly cannot pass this article. There are too many glaring issues or problems present for me to say that this can be passed, and edits of the magnitude needed are too much to justify putting this GAR on hold. My advice for the nominators would be to find in-depth sources discussing Sans, akin to a couple of the sources used (Sources like the ones discussing Sans and Papyrus's relationship, the Parasocial relationships, etc) instead of trivial mentions, and to either remove or condense those. I would also patch up the various grammatical issues and clarify the Concept and design section so readers can better understand it. I do hope my comments will help with further improving the article, however, and I wish the nominators the best of luck with improving this article in the future.

Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 20:45, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the info. I already fixed it and renominated for another reviewer to check it. GreenishPickle! (🔔) 23:27, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 25 March 2024

"He is often paired with his brother, also named after a font of the same name" is awkward/redundant phrasing. Please change to "He is often paired with his brother, also named after a font". 12.0.209.58 (talk) 15:43, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Done. λ NegativeMP1 16:49, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.


This review is transcluded from Talk:Sans (Undertale)/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: Greenish Pickle! (talk · contribs) GoatLordServant (talk · contribs)

Reviewer: Cocobb8 (talk · contribs) 20:17, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]


Last updated: 14:25, 6 August 2024 (UTC) by Cogsan

Status:  Passed

100% reviewed

   


See what the criteria are and what they are not

1) Well-written

1a) the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct
1b) it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation

2) Verifiable with no original research

2a) it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline
2b) reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose)
2c) it contains no original research
2d) it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism

3) Broad in its coverage

3a) it addresses the main aspects of the topic
3b) it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style)

4) Neutral:

4) Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each

5) Stable:

5) Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute

6) Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio

6a) media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content
6b) media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions

Overall:

Comments from first read-through:

@Greenish Pickle!: I am starting this review. Please let me know if you have any questions during the review process!

@Greenish Pickle!: The article reads really great and is easy to understand, Here are some comments from my first read-through (I've been bold and corrected all other minor issues). If you'd like me to put the review on hold so you can work on them, please let me know. Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 14:54, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am going to do some of the things I can do over the span of the next hour or so. Thank you. ~ GoatLordServant(Talk) 17:21, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@GoatLordServant Thanks for helping out! I'll be finishing off my review by Thursday. Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 20:00, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
P.S. added GoatLordServant as a co-nom since I forgot hehe. GreenishPickle! (🔔) 22:06, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lead

Sans the Skeleton is a character in the 2015 video game Undertale, developed by Toby Fox. Who is developed by Toby Fox, the game or the character? If it's both, then mention it.  Done Removed mention of Toby Fox in the immediate sentence.

Sans appears in Deltarune, where he can only be found at his shop, which is a remodeled version of Grillby's Diner from the original game. A bit more context about Deltarune could be helpful here, like the release date.  Done Added release date.

He was created by Fox with support from the artist Temmie Chang. This might be redundant; deleting mention of Toby Fox in the article's first sentence to keep that here, or simply move it out of the lead.  Done Solved redundancy

He was originally created as a character to make more skeleton puns What puns? This brings questions right away, so you might want to say something like (...) was originally created as a humorous character or whatever you see fit. Given that this sentence is also repeated in the next section, it is necessary to rephrase it.  Done Removed sentence. Could potentially be worked back in, come better phrasing, but I don't know how to fix that one.

His name is based on the Comic Sans font, which is used for most of his in-game dialogue and communicates with the sans typeface, which had to be changed to a "cutesy irreverent typeface" when translated into Japanese. Consider splitting that sentence.  Done Split down the middle.

Concept and design

(...) he added the spotlight. What spotlight?  Done

When translating Undertale into Japanese, however, this needed to be changed due to being difficult to translate. Unless I'm wrong, it might be better to say (...) due to it being (...)  Done I think I implemented what you meant.

"Megalovania", the song used during the boss battle against Sans, had previously been used within Homestuck and in one of Fox's EarthBound ROM hacks. How is that linked to the paragraph? Consider moving it elsewhere.  Done moved.

There is a full paragraph about the translations into Japanese. Though there seems to be great sources supporting this, it might (and this is my opinion here) be great to condense it a little bit, as it seems to get off-topic.

Appearances

(...) appearance in the "Last Corridor" Is that an episode of Undertale? This could be clarified.  Done Clarified meaning

Promotion and reception

Sans received multiple pieces of merchandise. You could say that he was shown on multiple pieces of merchandise instead.  Done Implemented

During the Undertale Q&A (...). Does an article exist for it? If not, a little more context, like a date, could be helpful.  Done added a date.

On a Quora topic, someone commented, “Sans and Papyrus are so darn perfect with each other. Sans, being the depressed and punny lazy skeleton and Papyrus, being the cheerful and loving brother… They complement each other so perfectly.” Quora is not a reliable source, as it is user-generated.  Done removed. has no place here.

Other GA requirements:

@Greenish Pickle!: @GoatLordServant: The article excellently complies with all manual of style requirements. No issues found there.

Running Copyvio Detector, ReFill and IABot, no blatant issues found with the citations. Conducting a sources spot-check for verifiability, no issues found either.

The article does not go off-topic and addresses the main aspects of the article effectively.

The article is written from a neutral POV, and has an appropriate reception section for critics.

Checking the article's history, article is quite stable, no major changes besides GAR improvements.

Finally, appropriate media is used, all using relevant copyright tags.

@Greenish Pickle!: @GoatLordServant: This concludes my review.

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

User:Cocobb8 Many thanks for the review. Really appreciate it! GreenishPickle! (🔔) 16:51, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 16:16, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Improved to Good Article status by Greenish Pickle! (talk) and GoatLordServant (talk). Self-nominated at 23:03, 28 March 2024 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Sans (Undertale); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

  • Article is long enough, promoted to GA within the window, and generally in excellent shape. Hooks check out and are sourced; I like the incongruity of ALT0. Pace the GA reviewer, there is a minor problem with the FUR on File:Undertale Art Book sans progession.png: the FUR includes as a key term The use of a low resolution screenshot from software or a website will not impact the commercial viability of the software or site., but this image is a scan from a book, not a screenshot. The FUR therefore needs to be updated to take into account the true source of the image and the commercial opportunities, if any, exploited or exploitable by the copyright holder. UndercoverClassicist T·C 16:18, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

UndercoverClassicist Already changed by someone. GreenishPickle! (🔔) 22:48, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]


What basis, for these propositions?

The article says, "[Sans] has also gained popularity because of his prominence in several user-created mods and other projects, as well as his use as an Internet meme." What is the factual basis for stating this? How was his popularity assessed, and when was it assessed, and by whom? Please provide a link to an explanation of the methodology that was used to differentiate the direction of causality in these two relationships:

  1. The effect of the character's popularity on the frequency of his being selected as the subject of game mods and memes; and
  2. The effect of the frequency of his appearances in secondary media on his popularity.

Thank you for your attention to these matters because some of this article's assertions strike me as being rather slippery. —catsmoke talk 05:38, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

While I wouldn't ask for quite as detailed an analysis—bordering on or becoming a kind of original research—I'll point out that the sentence OP pointed out from the lead seems to invert what the body text of the article says (permanent link): He has also been well-received by Undertale fans, being the subject of many fan works and projects, such as in numerous games, creations, and video game mods. That's to say, according to the body text, Sans's appearance in mods is evidence of his popularity, rather than a cause of it. Hydrangeans (she/her | talk | edits) 05:42, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You both make a lot of sense! Do you have a suggestion for how to change? Specifically from "what" to "what"? Thanks. I will do my best as I try to finish the copyedit. Yogabear2020 (N.B. NoviceEditor; Talk) 12:13, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I meant that his critics praised the character for his humor, and boss fight, including its musical theme, "Megalovania. (Sans became popular because of his boss fight and its song, which he also became an internet meme for somehow.) So I'm not sure how to make a word about all of that. Also, the "breaking the fourth wall" mention should be removed, as well as the Smash Bros. thing because it looks irrelevant now to mention like that. (Non-native English) GreenishPickle! (🔔) 13:25, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, understood.  Done See what you think.
And I think I have resolved the other similar issue/s later in the article raised by @Catsmoke: and @Hydrangeans:. (the connection between popularity, meme-hood, song, how it all happened, consistent statements of causality in the article overall, sounding like OR or not quite NPOV etc.). I hope it's now less "slippery", more consistent, and more neutral; if it is worded better, you can thank @Greenish Pickle!:, not me. And, if not ok, I'm sure you all can fix my shoddy work. — Yogabear2020 (N.B. NoviceEditor; Talk) 16:01, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No. I should thank you for your efforts for this article. I'm not quite sure about the lead a little bit, but ill recheck it again once I woke up. GreenishPickle! (🔔) 16:45, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I feel like this lead should be fine now. Thanls to the copyguild editor. GreenishPickle! (🔔) 22:18, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"the Skeleton" naming

Forgive me if I sound a bit pedantic, but I'm not sure "the Skeleton" is suitable to put as Sans' bolded name in the lead based on one line from the game. It could very easily be considered a description of what type of monster he is rather than his full name, and a good majority of sources call him merely Sans. ― novov (t c) 05:44, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

hmmm. Kinda make sense. Self reverting myself. Thanks for weighing up at the talk page. GreenishPickle! (🔔) 05:48, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Content changes made to 'Sans in Japanese' and 'PSR ideas by Elvery'

As part of a GOCE edit, I amended some content a bit more than slightly to support and help make clear the ideas of previous contributors, using the already cited relevant sources. This applies to two sections:

  • In the section about the Japanese version of Sans (under Concept and design), I added supporting text and changed some paraphrased ideas, using the main cited source for guidance. This was an attempt to make the ideas more clear, readable, and to match the source. I am not an expert in Japanese; but I took ideas from the source and also added some direct quotations for support.
  • In the section about 'PSRs with Sans' by Gabriel Elvery (under Critical reception), I added material and rephrased some, based on my reading of the cited paper by Elvery. The previous version was concise but a little unclear, and it had some unattributed quotes. Using the cited source, I attempted to flesh out the argument and included direct quotation; in addition, I amended some of the paraphrasing, while attempting to retain points made by previous contributor(s). My changes made the section longer—I hope not too long.
  • In the PSR section, I have corrected for the preferred pronouns 'they/their' of the cited author (Elvery), using the author's last name in place of pronouns, added a citation[1] as reference for both their pronoun usage and academic credentials.

I am not an expert on any of the content topics. If something about my changes could be improved, please do so, or start a discussion in a new thread below to make content suggestions. This thread is just to acknowledge my a bit more than slight content changes, during a GOCE edit focused on readability, MOS style, issues of attribution, etc. Thanks. —Yogabear2020 (N.B. NoviceEditor; Talk) 15:31, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "Postgraduate research students". University of Glasgow. 2015-04-09. Retrieved 2024-04-10.

Yogabear2020 (N.B. NoviceEditor; Talk) 15:31, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I trust your edits and I will say that once again, thank you for the efforts. Greenish Pickle! (🔔) 22:09, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 19 May 2024

Change link in "Artist Drak designed a Steam trading card based on Sans that came packaged with a collection of Undertale cards" from Steam, the gaseous form of water, to Steam (service), the video game store. Skyiest (talk) 17:49, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Done. λ NegativeMP1 17:52, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Is Sans able to switch fonts?

It was revealed in a Mini-Newsletter ( dont know which ) that Sans could change fonts. Do the community see this as Cannon, or not? Mm Chez (talk) 14:16, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

whether or not the fanbase thinks this fact is somehow a large-caliber artillery weapon (unless you meant canon) only matters here if reliable sources pick up on it, which citations 7 and 8 have fortunately already done cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 14:25, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]