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== CIA's role in disseminating Solzhenitsyn's work in USSR == |
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The New Yorker alleges that "The C.I.A. supported the publication of underground books in the Soviet Union by such authors as Boris Pasternak and Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, a ploy that the agency knew would enrage the Kremlin leadership and deepen anti-Soviet sentiment among dissident circles inside the country." Source: "Private Mossad for Hire", by Adam Entous and Ronan Farrow, The New Yorker, 2019, online: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/02/18/private-mossad-for-hire (accessed Tues., Feb. 12, 2019) [[Special:Contributions/2600:1702:2FF0:1D00:8563:4D65:93D8:714B|2600:1702:2FF0:1D00:8563:4D65:93D8:714B]] ([[User talk:2600:1702:2FF0:1D00:8563:4D65:93D8:714B|talk]]) 04:33, 13 February 2019 (UTC) |
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== US Military (NSA) role in disseminating Solzhenitsyn's work to the West == |
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William Eldridge Odom "while serving at the United States embassy in Moscow in the early 1970s managed to smuggle out a large portion of Alexander Solzhenitsyn's archive, including the author's membership card for the Writers' Union and Second World War military citations" Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Eldridge_Odom |
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A reasonable conclusion is that Soviet and US Intelligence agencies were in fact working together to promote their own respective controlled oppositions. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/173.153.109.219|173.153.109.219]] ([[User talk:173.153.109.219#top|talk]]) 21:27, 31 August 2019 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Section: On Russia and the Jews == |
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::::Cited to [https://www.nationalreview.com/magazine/2019/01/28/aleksandr-solzhenitsyn-book-review/ this] '' |
::::Cited to [https://www.nationalreview.com/magazine/2019/01/28/aleksandr-solzhenitsyn-book-review/ this] ''National Review'' article by Christopher Caldwell, the current Wikipedia article states in the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksandr_Solzhenitsyn#Criticism_of_communism "Criticism of communism"] section: |
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:::::'Solzhenitsyn recalled: "I had to explain to the people of Spain in the most concise possible terms what it meant to have been subjugated by an ideology as we in the Soviet Union had been, and give the Spanish to understand what a terrible fate they escaped in 1939", a reference to the Spanish Civil War between the Nationalists and the Republicans, which was not a common view at that time. For Winston Lord, a protégé of the then United States Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, Solzhenitsyn was "just about a fascist."' |
:::::'Solzhenitsyn recalled: "I had to explain to the people of Spain in the most concise possible terms what it meant to have been subjugated by an ideology as we in the Soviet Union had been, and give the Spanish to understand what a terrible fate they escaped in 1939", a reference to the Spanish Civil War between the Nationalists and the Republicans, which was not a common view at that time. For Winston Lord, a protégé of the then United States Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, Solzhenitsyn was "just about a fascist."' |
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::::- The source does not say that, in general, Solzhenitsyn's views on Franco's Spain were not common at the time, but that, "this was not a common view among ''American diplomats'', even at the time." Caldwell then goes on to state the opinion of one such American diplomat, Winston Lord. Therefore, the source is being misrepresented. |
::::- The source does not say that, in general, Solzhenitsyn's views on Franco's Spain were not common at the time, but that, "this was not a common view among ''American diplomats'', even at the time." Caldwell then goes on to state the opinion of one such American diplomat, [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winston_Lord Winston Lord]. Therefore, the source is being misrepresented. |
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::::- Immmediately afterwards, Caldwell goes on to say: "'''He was not [a Fascist].''' He was a writer, a literary writer, sucked into a set of political conflicts he had not chosen. His measures of justice and of the good life were drawn from Dostoevsky and Chekhov, not Eleanor Roosevelt." |
::::- Immmediately afterwards, Caldwell goes on to say: "'''He was not [a Fascist].''' He was a writer, a literary writer, sucked into a set of political conflicts he had not chosen. His measures of justice and of the good life were drawn from Dostoevsky and Chekhov, not Eleanor Roosevelt." |
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::::- Some questions: in an encyclopaedia article about Sozhenitsyn, is it really necessary to give space to what American diplomats, and one in particular, thought about Solzhenitsyn's views on Fascist Spain; is it neutral to highlight without aualification some relatively unknown American diplomat's critical view when, immediately afterwards, the author of the source states that view was erroneous? |
::::- Some questions: in an encyclopaedia article about Sozhenitsyn, is it really necessary to give space to what American diplomats, and one in particular, thought about Solzhenitsyn's views on Fascist Spain; is it neutral to highlight without aualification some relatively unknown American diplomat's critical view when, immediately afterwards, the author of the source states that view was erroneous? |
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== Solzhenitsyn's novel Cancer Ward == |
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When I read Solzhenitsyn's novel [[Cancer Ward]], I was supprized how the Nobel Laureate in literature wrote about medical personnel who helped and treated him when he was seriously ill. Solzhenitsyn wrote (in Russian): |
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"Хорошо видный Льву Леонидовичу, сидел курчавый Халмухамедов. У него был вид как будто с иллюстраций к путешествиям капитана Кука, будто он только что вышел из джунглей: дремучие поросли сплелись на его голове, черно-угольные вкрапины отмечали бронзовое лицо, в дико-радостной улыбке открывались крупные белые зубы и лишь не было - но очень не хватало - кольца в носу". |
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"Clearly visible to Lev Leonidovich, curly-haired Khalmukhamedov sat. He looked like something out of an illustration of Captain Cook's travels, as if he had just emerged from the jungle: dense growths intertwined on his head, black-charcoal specks marked a bronze face, a wildly joyful smile revealing large white teeth and the only thing missing - but very much missing - was a nose ring". |
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I hope this has nothing to do with the [[racism]]. However, any [[sarkasm]] should remain within the boundary.[[User:Some Nuances|Some Nuances]] ([[User talk:Some Nuances|talk]]) 21:06, 27 September 2023 (UTC) |
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==Bibliogrqaphy?== |
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Where in the world is the obligatory list of his works, i.e. his 'Selected Bibliography' – ??? — A glaring omission for such a widely known and significant author. — [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 20:00, 7 December 2021 (UTC) |
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== Recent change to the Introduction: "despite only having written about it in his fictional book 'The Gulag Archipelago." == |
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Today, [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Aleksandr_Solzhenitsyn&type=revision&diff=1082810850&oldid=1082786784 an edit] was made which added text to the first paragraph of the Introduction labelling ''The Gulag Archipelago'' as fiction. That is problematic for a number of reasons. Clearly, as rudimentary research shows, though a viewpoint which regards it as fiction may exist, that is not universal and so policy dictates that it should not be presented factually as such on Wikipedia ([https://www.amazon.com/Gulag-Archipelago-1918-1956-Experiment-Investigation/dp/0061253715 here's] the Amazon webpage for the book). No sources are cited, the description having the appearance of being an interpretation of a statement by Solzhenitsyn's first wife. Also, the labelling clashes with the description of the book given in the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksandr_Solzhenitsyn#Later_years_in_the_Soviet_Union Later years in the Soviet Union] section. <span style="font-family: Perpetua, serif; font-size:120%"> ← [[User talk:ZScarpia | ZScarpia]] </span> 09:49, 15 April 2022 (UTC) |
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:It is already mentioned in the article that Solzhenitsyn divorced Reshetovskaya in 1972 to marry another woman, and that her memoirs about him are negative in general. According to some of the biographers (for instance, a [http://flibusta.is/b/123974 2008 book] [http://flibusta.is/b/123974/read [full text]] published in the famous Russian ''[[:ru:Жизнь замечательных людей|ЖЗЛ]]'' series [''Lives of the Notable People'']), she was deeply worried by the divorce and the surrounding personal circumstances, she even tried to commit suicide (or at least pretended to), and by 1974 she was rather inadequate. Thus her opinions, although maybe worth mention, should be clearly marked as such and shouldn't be given too much [[WP:WEIGHT|weight]].{{pb}}And of course the claims that "''Archipelago'' is a fiction" and "it's his only statement about this subject" are both complete nonsense. — [[user:Mike Novikoff|Mike Novikoff]] 20:30, 15 April 2022 (UTC) |
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Section: On Russia and the Jews
Cited to D.M. Thomas's Solzhenitsyn biography, the "On Russia and the Jews" section quotes a comment from Daniel Pipes in a review of "August 1914" printed in The New York Times of 13 November 1985, giving the impression that Pipes is the review's author. That article may be read here. It will be seen that the author is actually Richard Grenier. It will also be seen that other people quoted defend Solzhenitsyn. ← ZScarpia 20:46, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
- You are welcome to fix/improve it. Personally, I think that certain passages form his certain books can be regarded as antisemitic, but that's irrelevant. There was indeed a debate about it, and it should described neutrally. My very best wishes (talk) 20:52, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
- Two more fixes. Frenkel was indeed an important figure; the book was hardly a bestseller. My very best wishes (talk) 22:47, 8 October 2019 (UTC)
Whitewashing of fascist support
There's a lot of whitewashing of Solzhenitzysn misogyny and support for fascist dictators Hitler and Franco. These facts are sourced and the concerted attempts to remove this factual information is nothing more then WP:IDONTLIKEIT 31.187.2.168 (talk) 08:50, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
- Oh no, what your are trying to insert is an outright distortion. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn did not support fascist dictators. As linked source tells, "he was a twice decorated commander in the Red Army". Yes, he was an anti-communist who would be happy if the Soviet communist regime would be defeated, but that's another matter. Your text is also meaningless. "Hitler was stupid and did not use this weapon". What "weapon"? Also note, what you are citing is a blog post by an unknown person. My very best wishes (talk) 15:59, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
- There's no distortion. He wanted Hitler to invade the Soviet Union and win. This is fact. He supported Franco in the civil war and on multiple occasions defended him. This is also a fact.31.187.2.160 (talk) 16:03, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
- Just to add there are at least two photos of him giving the Nazi "Sieg Heil" salute. Skiamakhos (talk) 15:08, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
- There's no distortion. He wanted Hitler to invade the Soviet Union and win. This is fact. He supported Franco in the civil war and on multiple occasions defended him. This is also a fact.31.187.2.160 (talk) 16:03, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
- Yes, his support of Hitler and Franco must be mentioned in the article, clearly whitewashing is at play. However, I think your wording (including grammar) was not quite clear enough. Notrium (talk) 05:42, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
- The IP used this source [1], for example. Yes, this is valid RS, but it tells something opposite: S. "made a speaking tour there in the days after strongman Francisco Franco’s death: “I had to explain to the people of Spain in the most concise possible terms,” he recalled, “what it meant to have been subjugated by an ideology as we in the Soviet Union had been, and give the Spanish to understand what a terrible fate they escaped in 1939.” This was not a common view among American diplomats, even at the time. For Winston Lord, a protégé of secretary of state Henry Kissinger, Solzhenitsyn was “just about a fascist.” He was not. He was a writer, a literary writer, sucked into a set of political conflicts he had not chosen.", etc. per this source. My very best wishes (talk) 02:21, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
- He definitely supported Franco and Fascist Spain, that is without question. In this article in the New York Times from 1976, he says liberals should not push too hard for reform. This was during the government of Carlos Arias Navarro during the transition to democracy in Spain. GoldenSensei (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 01:19, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
- The IP used this source [1], for example. Yes, this is valid RS, but it tells something opposite: S. "made a speaking tour there in the days after strongman Francisco Franco’s death: “I had to explain to the people of Spain in the most concise possible terms,” he recalled, “what it meant to have been subjugated by an ideology as we in the Soviet Union had been, and give the Spanish to understand what a terrible fate they escaped in 1939.” This was not a common view among American diplomats, even at the time. For Winston Lord, a protégé of secretary of state Henry Kissinger, Solzhenitsyn was “just about a fascist.” He was not. He was a writer, a literary writer, sucked into a set of political conflicts he had not chosen.", etc. per this source. My very best wishes (talk) 02:21, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
- A short newspaper article stating that Solzhenitsyn had warned Spaniards about the dangers of Communism, compared Fascist Spain favourably to the Soviet Union and "told liberals not to push too hard for changes because Spain had more freedoms now than the Soviet Union had ever known" doesn't serve as verification that he supported Franco and Fascist Spain.
- Pardon me while I do a bit of soapboxing, but I think that it's understandable why somebody from a country which went very quickly from tsarism, through a parliamentary system to Bolshevism might be giving warnings about "pushing too hard". Having said that, I doubt that the western democracies, having supported dictatorships in Portugal, Spain and Greece, and having used dirty tricks against Italian communists, would have permitted a communist takeover in Spain.
- ← ZScarpia 09:52, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
- Cited to this National Review article by Christopher Caldwell, the current Wikipedia article states in the "Criticism of communism" section:
- 'Solzhenitsyn recalled: "I had to explain to the people of Spain in the most concise possible terms what it meant to have been subjugated by an ideology as we in the Soviet Union had been, and give the Spanish to understand what a terrible fate they escaped in 1939", a reference to the Spanish Civil War between the Nationalists and the Republicans, which was not a common view at that time. For Winston Lord, a protégé of the then United States Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, Solzhenitsyn was "just about a fascist."'
- Some points:
- - The source does not say that, in general, Solzhenitsyn's views on Franco's Spain were not common at the time, but that, "this was not a common view among American diplomats, even at the time." Caldwell then goes on to state the opinion of one such American diplomat, Winston Lord. Therefore, the source is being misrepresented.
- - Immmediately afterwards, Caldwell goes on to say: "He was not [a Fascist]. He was a writer, a literary writer, sucked into a set of political conflicts he had not chosen. His measures of justice and of the good life were drawn from Dostoevsky and Chekhov, not Eleanor Roosevelt."
- - Some questions: in an encyclopaedia article about Sozhenitsyn, is it really necessary to give space to what American diplomats, and one in particular, thought about Solzhenitsyn's views on Fascist Spain; is it neutral to highlight without aualification some relatively unknown American diplomat's critical view when, immediately afterwards, the author of the source states that view was erroneous?
- ← ZScarpia 10:37, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
- Cited to this National Review article by Christopher Caldwell, the current Wikipedia article states in the "Criticism of communism" section:
Solzhenitsyn's novel Cancer Ward
When I read Solzhenitsyn's novel Cancer Ward, I was supprized how the Nobel Laureate in literature wrote about medical personnel who helped and treated him when he was seriously ill. Solzhenitsyn wrote (in Russian):
"Хорошо видный Льву Леонидовичу, сидел курчавый Халмухамедов. У него был вид как будто с иллюстраций к путешествиям капитана Кука, будто он только что вышел из джунглей: дремучие поросли сплелись на его голове, черно-угольные вкрапины отмечали бронзовое лицо, в дико-радостной улыбке открывались крупные белые зубы и лишь не было - но очень не хватало - кольца в носу".
The Google Translate generates the following translation:
"Clearly visible to Lev Leonidovich, curly-haired Khalmukhamedov sat. He looked like something out of an illustration of Captain Cook's travels, as if he had just emerged from the jungle: dense growths intertwined on his head, black-charcoal specks marked a bronze face, a wildly joyful smile revealing large white teeth and the only thing missing - but very much missing - was a nose ring".
I hope this has nothing to do with the racism. However, any sarkasm should remain within the boundary.Some Nuances (talk) 21:06, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
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Bibliogrqaphy?
Where in the world is the obligatory list of his works, i.e. his 'Selected Bibliography' – ??? — A glaring omission for such a widely known and significant author. — Sca (talk) 20:00, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
Recent change to the Introduction: "despite only having written about it in his fictional book 'The Gulag Archipelago."
Today, an edit was made which added text to the first paragraph of the Introduction labelling The Gulag Archipelago as fiction. That is problematic for a number of reasons. Clearly, as rudimentary research shows, though a viewpoint which regards it as fiction may exist, that is not universal and so policy dictates that it should not be presented factually as such on Wikipedia (here's the Amazon webpage for the book). No sources are cited, the description having the appearance of being an interpretation of a statement by Solzhenitsyn's first wife. Also, the labelling clashes with the description of the book given in the Later years in the Soviet Union section. ← ZScarpia 09:49, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
- It is already mentioned in the article that Solzhenitsyn divorced Reshetovskaya in 1972 to marry another woman, and that her memoirs about him are negative in general. According to some of the biographers (for instance, a 2008 book [full text] published in the famous Russian ЖЗЛ series [Lives of the Notable People]), she was deeply worried by the divorce and the surrounding personal circumstances, she even tried to commit suicide (or at least pretended to), and by 1974 she was rather inadequate. Thus her opinions, although maybe worth mention, should be clearly marked as such and shouldn't be given too much weight.And of course the claims that "Archipelago is a fiction" and "it's his only statement about this subject" are both complete nonsense. — Mike Novikoff 20:30, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
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