Talk:Zoe Saldaña

Zoe's Signature

To whom it may concern:

Per Zoe's request, I've made an edit to remove Zoe's signature from her page. Please contact us if you have any further questions or if you require more information: bmd@morrisyorn.com

Thank You — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.107.113.2 (talk) 21:13, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

RfC regarding signature

Should the article contain Saldana's signature? See File:Zoe Saldana signature.svg. Binksternet (talk) 05:28, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Poll

• No. First reason is that Saldana's signature is flowery and artistic, with unneeded flourishes such as the horizontal line through the Z and the final curlicue, making it an artistic work (rather than standard cursive writing) which means it should be deleted on Commons. Regardless of what Commons does with the signature, I think we should respect the wishes of a living person to have their signature removed. It's too easy to forge Saldana's signature if someone has access to a high quality digital scalable replica. As seen in the post above and at User talk:38.107.113.2, Saldana's attorney at Morris Yorn has politely requested the signature be removed, quoting the essay Wikipedia:Signatures of living persons which says "Concerns about privacy and identity theft make it imperative that signatures be removed upon the request of the subject." The hard policy of Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons also contains guidance about respecting the privacy of living persons as well as causing the least harm, though it says nothing explicit about signatures. Since Saldana is not famous for her signature (she is not John Hancock or Picasso) I see no good reason to harm Saldana more than we have already. The signature should be absent. Binksternet (talk) 05:28, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
  • Do we know she has actually asked for it to be removed? If we can verify this, then yes - it should be removed. - Chris.sherlock (talk) 06:06, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

There is a deletion request on Commons that claims to be from her attorneys. – Rhain ☔ 22:56, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Chris.sherlock. We represent Zoe has her attorneys at Morris Yorn. If you Google "Zoe Saldana" and "Morris Yorn," you will see that we are mentioned in most press releases as her representatives. If you'd like to contact me further to discuss, I am reachable at bmd@morrisyorn.com. Thanks.38.107.113.2 (talk) 17:39, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Rhain. As it's your image uploaded here, and in the interest of not dragging this out any longer, would you please delete the image from the Wiki Commons? The Deletion Request was filed in July and we'd love to resolve this. Thanks! 38.107.113.2 (talk) 23:09, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

I do not have that power. – Rhain ☔ 10:48, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

• Yes Her signature doesn't seem particularly "artistic" and is already available on the internet. It's pretty standard on these kinds of biographical articles as well. ~ HAL333 19:53, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
• No the uploader's source for the signature is "I hand traced it myself trust me bro." Seriously? 2600:1014:B103:8833:4862:17A3:3717:E393 (talk) 08:05, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

The question isn't about whether the signature is real (it is), but whether its inclusion is justified. – Rhain ☔ 22:56, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

• No Hi everyone. We represent Zoe Saldana as her attorneys. This is not meant as a legal threat or action. She has requested that we work on removing her signature from this site due to privacy concerns and identity theft. I'd please like to point to (here), the essay on Signatures of Living Persons which states: "Concerns about privacy and identity theft make it imperative that signatures be removed upon the request of the subject." Zoe has expressed to us (her representatives) that she would like her signature removed, so I'd like to ask that the community respect her wishes in this regard. Thank you. 38.107.113.2 (talk) 17:32, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
• No for the same reasons as Binksternet. It's not appropropriate for WP:BLP.Fred (talk) 17:47, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
• No, the article shouldn't contain a signature. IMO Wikipedia should include signatures for almost no living people. This is a big privacy problem for a very tiny (at most) educational value. The signature should be removed. I agree with the advice in Wikipedia:Signatures of living persons, which recommends against inclusion under these circumstancese. WhatamIdoing (talk) 20:30, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
• Hi all. Are we able to wrap up this RfC? Thanks! 38.107.113.2 (talk) 23:16, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Meh. I don't buy the arguement that it is a work of art / artistic, but it seems that Saldana's attorneys want it deleted, and perhaps it's a matter where BLPPRIVACY would thus motivate removal. (And if her attorneys get the file deleted, that moots the discussion entirely.) -sche (talk) 00:24, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Deleted based on the consensus here and in accordance with the Wikipedia:Signatures of living persons essay. I did this even though the request was made via her attorneys, because they are being very very careful to avoid making a legal threat. At the first hint of a legal threat, we would have had not choice but to refer this to WMF. -Arch dude (talk) 02:03, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 28 October 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Lennart97 (talk) 09:19, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

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Zoe Saldana → Zoe Saldaña – Saldaña has publicly discussed her name and credit change. The title should be changed per WP:NAMECHANGES. Some RS from the last week that reflect the change: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/22/arts/television/maya-and-the-three-netflix.html https://collider.com/maya-and-the-three-zoe-saldana-interview/ https://www.polygon.com/22745515/zoe-saldana-maya-and-the-three-interview https://www.vulture.com/article/maya-and-the-three-netflix-animated-miniseries-jorge-r-gutierrez-interview.html etc. The closest comparison I can find is Talk:Thandiwe_Newton#Thandiwe, which was changed within a day lol. Axem Titanium (talk) 06:20, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 14:02, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support per nom. InfiniteNexus (talk) 16:25, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support and restore the name of the Serbian tennis player finally. @Axem Titanium: In ictu oculi (talk) 20:49, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
• Comment. It should be noted that no site has caught up as yet — Twitter account, Facebook account, Instagram, Fan page, IMDb, American Film Institute, TCM, AllMovie, Rotten Tomatoes, TVGuide, to name ten. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 00:40, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support I've been waiting for this day (as a fan) since about 2005. Trillfendi (talk) 18:29, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
• Support as it's her official name. We should, of course, retain the resulting redirect (as normal) to preserve article history. Sean Stephens (talk) 23:27, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Removal of ó from Talk:Mónica Puig Marchán

I agree with the above result but seems inconsistent that en.wp recognises the right of someone born in Passaic, New Jersey to a hispanic name, good for her, but at the same time singles out one and only one Puerto Rican woman on the whole of en.wp for accent stripping contrary to her own Instagram. @Axem Titanium:, @InfiniteNexus:, @Trillfendi:, @Sean Stephens:, @Ortizesp:, @Neodop:. — Preceding unsigned comment added by In ictu oculi (talk • contribs)

There's no "right to consistency" on Wikipedia, it's all down to local consensus. That said, I haven't looked at the sources for Puig but I would in theory support a move to including the accent if she does self-identify as using it. This talk page is not the venue though. It's been a year since the last RM so it's not too soon to reopen one. The 2016 RM was premised on the fact that it's inconsistent in sources and defaulted to no accent due to her not using it on personal pages. IF that's changed, then it's worth reconsidering. Axem Titanium (talk) 23:25, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

There is such a thing as consistency it's called MOS. And where local consensus targets a page to go against MOS we'd have to ask why him/her? As to the right to spell your own name, that's another issue. But in the case of Mónica Puig both MOS and personal preference would go the same way as this RM. Other than that some movie bio editors and some tennis editors may have different perspectives on hispanic identity. In ictu oculi (talk) 12:20, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

As I said, this is not the correct venue to discuss this topic. Open a new RM and cite your sources and I'll be there to evaluate it myself. Axem Titanium (talk) 18:49, 6 November 2021 (UTC)