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It mentions the connection between the Golden rule of reciprocity, and altruism; however, altruism involves unselfishness, while the other expects you to treat others as you'd like to be treated. There are a lot of ethical "rules" or guidelines; why make the connection between these two? Is the english version of altruism really the same as reciprocity? They just don't seem to match each other as much as the sentence indicates, which makes the sentence seem out of place. |
It mentions the connection between the Golden rule of reciprocity, and altruism; however, altruism involves unselfishness, while the other expects you to treat others as you'd like to be treated. There are a lot of ethical "rules" or guidelines; why make the connection between these two? Is the english version of altruism really the same as reciprocity? They just don't seem to match each other as much as the sentence indicates, which makes the sentence seem out of place. |
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⚫ | I was just wondering why the "Philosophy" section of the "Altruism" article seemed smaller in comparison to the lengths of the [[Altruism]]sections pertaining to "Scientific Viewpoints" and "Religious Viewpoints"? </ref> User:Christopher_H._Moller/Evaluate_an_Article --Christopher H. Moller (talk) 09:30, 30 January 2020 (UTC) Christopher H. Moller 4:35 a.m. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Christopher H. Moller|Christopher H. Moller]] ([[User talk:Christopher H. Moller#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Christopher H. Moller|contribs]]) </small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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From the article: "''The term was originally coined in the 19th century by the '''founding''' sociologist and philosopher of science, Auguste Comte''" |
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Is it being claimed that Comte founded the study known as "socilolgy"? Or that he founded the philosophy of science? Or that he founded the concept of 'altruism'? It is not clear from the statement or the context. |
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[[Special:Contributions/74.95.43.249|74.95.43.249]] ([[User talk:74.95.43.249|talk]]) 01:43, 27 June 2017 (UTC) |
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== "altruism does not consider relationships" == |
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Casual reader here - this article appears to deviate from sources such as the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy when describing altruism. |
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Hello fellow Wikipedians, |
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"Altruism can be distinguished from feelings of loyalty or concern for the common good. The latter are predicated upon social relationships, whilst altruism does not consider relationships." This assertion seems to be disputed. |
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The Stanford Encyclopedia [https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/altruism/#MixeMotiPureAltr article] on this topic writes "The people whom we treat altruistically are often those to whom we have a sentimental attachment, or towards whom we feel grateful..." |
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I think the second sentence should be removed and the first either also be removed or justified appropriately. |
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The link to welfare appears to be wrong. It should link to wellbeing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Well-being rather than government support to individuals. |
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The description of effective altruism as "the use of evidence and reason to determine the most effective ways to benefit others." should be replaced with "effective altruism claims to use evidence and reason..." so as to avoid the impression of endorsing the view or removed. I don't understand why this view of altruism is the only one introduced at the front of the article. |
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[[Special:Contributions/172.250.246.150|172.250.246.150]] ([[User talk:172.250.246.150|talk]]) 02:51, 3 December 2018 (UTC) |
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Finally, the description of effective altruism under "Philosophy" should also either put its objectives in quotation marks or mark them as claims. [[Special:Contributions/43.252.112.62|43.252.112.62]] ([[User talk:43.252.112.62|talk]]) 16:48, 4 August 2023 (UTC) |
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⚫ | I was just wondering why the "Philosophy" section of the "Altruism" article seemed smaller in comparison to the lengths of the [[Altruism]]sections pertaining to "Scientific Viewpoints" and "Religious Viewpoints"? </ref> User:Christopher_H._Moller/Evaluate_an_Article --Christopher H. Moller (talk) 09:30, 30 January 2020 (UTC) Christopher H. Moller 4:35 a.m. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Christopher H. Moller|Christopher H. Moller]] ([[User talk:Christopher H. Moller#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Christopher H. Moller|contribs]]) </small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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Ayn Rand and her arguments against altruism. [[Special:Contributions/2600:8801:BE01:2500:8DF8:6D22:8714:F1A|2600:8801:BE01:2500:8DF8:6D22:8714:F1A]] ([[User talk:2600:8801:BE01:2500:8DF8:6D22:8714:F1A|talk]]) 23:10, 12 April 2024 (UTC) |
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First sentence seems unconnected.
It mentions the connection between the Golden rule of reciprocity, and altruism; however, altruism involves unselfishness, while the other expects you to treat others as you'd like to be treated. There are a lot of ethical "rules" or guidelines; why make the connection between these two? Is the english version of altruism really the same as reciprocity? They just don't seem to match each other as much as the sentence indicates, which makes the sentence seem out of place.
Length of the "Philosophy Section" of the "Altruism" Article
I was just wondering why the "Philosophy" section of the "Altruism" article seemed smaller in comparison to the lengths of the Altruismsections pertaining to "Scientific Viewpoints" and "Religious Viewpoints"? </ref> User:Christopher_H._Moller/Evaluate_an_Article --Christopher H. Moller (talk) 09:30, 30 January 2020 (UTC) Christopher H. Moller 4:35 a.m. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Christopher H. Moller (talk • contribs)
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"altruism does not consider relationships"
Casual reader here - this article appears to deviate from sources such as the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy when describing altruism.
"Altruism can be distinguished from feelings of loyalty or concern for the common good. The latter are predicated upon social relationships, whilst altruism does not consider relationships." This assertion seems to be disputed.
The Stanford Encyclopedia article on this topic writes "The people whom we treat altruistically are often those to whom we have a sentimental attachment, or towards whom we feel grateful..."
I think the second sentence should be removed and the first either also be removed or justified appropriately.
Other proposed changes:
The link to welfare appears to be wrong. It should link to wellbeing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Well-being rather than government support to individuals.
The description of effective altruism as "the use of evidence and reason to determine the most effective ways to benefit others." should be replaced with "effective altruism claims to use evidence and reason..." so as to avoid the impression of endorsing the view or removed. I don't understand why this view of altruism is the only one introduced at the front of the article.
Finally, the description of effective altruism under "Philosophy" should also either put its objectives in quotation marks or mark them as claims. 43.252.112.62 (talk) 16:48, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
Something's conspicuously missing from the article.
Ayn Rand and her arguments against altruism. 2600:8801:BE01:2500:8DF8:6D22:8714:F1A (talk) 23:10, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
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