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== Who came First egg or chicken ==
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'''Discussion moved from user pages re categorisation of, ''interalia'', [[Phasianidae]], [[Anatidae]] and [[Dove]]'''.


? [[Special:Contributions/2C0F:F0F8:639:1404:313F:7A46:C4C4:E037|2C0F:F0F8:639:1404:313F:7A46:C4C4:E037]] ([[User talk:2C0F:F0F8:639:1404:313F:7A46:C4C4:E037|talk]]) 19:44, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
==Reverted today==
:{{ping|2C0F:F0F8:639:1404:313F:7A46:C4C4:E037}} Yes. ''[[User:Philroc|<span style="color: #009933; text-shadow: 0px 0px 7px #83D29D;">Philroc</span>]]'' ([[User talk:Philroc|talk]]) 19:46, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
an anonymous user changed the bottom paragraph relating to different cuts of meat. It related dark meat and it's higher muscle mass to that of African-Americans and their ability to flee from the police better.
==What's happened to geese?==

Are geese a type of poultry or not. They have been domesticated since ancient times (Geese saved Rome from Celtic invasion). I suggest they be included.

Regards

[[User:John D. Croft|John D. Croft]] 17:04, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

*I wouldn't categorize geese as being the first thing that comes to mind when we think of poultry. I'm going to try and find a different picture of an actual chicken to place on there. It makes sense.--[[User:WaltCip|WaltCip]] 14:00, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Any birds kept for domestic use as food and associated use (e.g. down feathers, oil)should be considered poultry. --[[User:Dr Bird|Dr Bird]] ([[User talk:Dr Bird|talk]]) 14:03, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

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I've reverted several of your category additions. Poultry refers to domesticated birds, and is appropriate for say [[Chicken]] or [[Helmeted Guineafowl]], but not for eg [[Phasianidae]]. Most birds in this large family are never domesticated, and many are rare, protected or little known, like the Himalayan pheasants. [[User:Jimfbleak|jimfbleak]] 05:17, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

:Hi, here's the reason for inclusion of [[pheasant]], from the opening two paragraphs of the [[poultry]] article itself:
:Poultry is the class of domesticated fowl (birds) used for food or for their eggs. These most typically are members of the orders Galliformes (such as chickens and turkeys), and Anseriformes (waterfowl such as ducks and geese).
:The word poultry is often used to refer to the meat of these birds. In a more general sense, it may refer to the meat of other birds, such as pigeons or doves, or game birds like '''pheasants'''.
:I have seen pheasant in markets at various times; the pheasant is definitely involved in the poultry industry. --[[User:McDogm|McDogm]] 15:15, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
:Much more than pheasants, [[doves]] are poultry. In the middle east, including [[Egypt]], the dove is the main domesticated bird used for food. Have you read [[Lawrence Durrell]]'s [[Alexandria Quartet]]? The dove industry is featured, as a universal presence in Durrell's Egypt. One recurring image is that of the doves which, having escaped from their cage in the market, don't escape or fly away but just stay there where the cage broke. I really hope you reinstate pheasant and especially dove. The two species are eaten every day around the world. More specifically, doves are very heavily domesticated and should not have been removed from the list in the first place. Thanks for reading. --[[User:McDogm|McDogm]] 15:21, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

The point I was trying to make was that individual species like [[Common Pheasant]] can appropopriately be classed as poultry, but not the [[Phasianidae]] family as a whole. I've never heard of anyone in the west at least eating any other of the many pheasant species, and some are extremely rare and difficult to find.

Similarly with [[dove]]. I would accept that say [[Wood Pigeon]], [[Turtle Dove]] and some others might be classed as poultry, but not all 300-odd species. If you know the African species, cat that, and I have no problem, but I do have a problem with '''all''' members of the pheasant/dove/[[anatidae|ducks, geese and swan]] families being so labelled when only a handful are verifiably actually used as poultry. [[User:Jimfbleak|jimfbleak]] 17:12, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Looking again at your note on my talk page, I think the confusion is between the species and the family. Pheasant is commonly used to refer to the widely eaten and very tasty [[Common Pheasant]], but the Pheasant article refers to the whole family - similarly with dove, only more so.

:The thing of it is, that because pheasants are poultry, and because pheasants are phasinadae, then logically phasinidae are closely linked to poultry. Rhetorically, is not the article [[birds]] included in the poultry category?--[[User:McDogm|McDogm]] 05:32, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

::And since birds are vertebrates then all vertebrates are poultry.... ok, do you see the flaw in your logic? Poultry refers to specific birds that are prepared, cooked and eaten. Individual bird species should be tagged as poultry, and if a higher order (genus or larger) contains only birds tagged as poultry, then that higher grouping may also be tagged as such. If the higher grouping includes species that are not poultry, then that higher grouping should not be tagged as poultry. - [[User:UtherSRG|UtherSRG]] 13:17, July 11, 2005 (UTC)

Come in a bit late on this one - to add to the above, 'poultry' is ''domesticated'', farmed birds only, ''not'' gamebirds - so [[Wood Pigeon]] (a gamebird) and [[Turtle Dove]] are not poultry, but [[Rock Dove]] (in respect of domestic pigeons) is poultry. [[Common Pheasant]] is farmed, but other pheasant species are not, so aren't poultry. - [[User:MPF|MPF]] 23:37, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

Ive moved duck to domesticated duck.

Ive added goose but I dont know that much about them so could someone else fill it in?

:I would have thought that domesticated geese in the west are derived from [[Greylag Goose]], and in the east from [[Swan Goose]] [[User:Jimfbleak|jimfbleak]] 18:53, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

Millions of upland game birds are raised for both sport and culinary use. Specific color variants of Pheasants and quail are routinely delivered to fine restaurants around the world. Pheasant under glass is a well known dish. --[[User:Dr Bird|Dr Bird]] ([[User talk:Dr Bird|talk]]) 14:03, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

== diet section? ==

Why the section on diet in the chart? All four birds have the same items listed, and they are thoroughly unclear: is a seed not part of a plant? Does this particularly refer to leafy plant matter? And what is the diet of the modern mass-produced chicken (a large percentage of the global chicken population)? Not insects or leafy plants, or even seeds, unless soybeans be included in that category. Do we include cattle in the chicken diet? I don't know enough to say, but I think that a minority of American chickens are raised on diets free of livestock parts.

I suggest that the diet section be removed until it can be cleaned up.
--[[User:Zachbe|Zachbe]] 15:27, 8 May 2006 (UTC)


This part in the diet section -- "The common misconception of "I can't eat unless there is meat" is largely due to cultural attitudes and how one is raised to think about food.[3]" -- sounds like more of an advertisement for vegetarianism or veganism than an objective part of an entry about poultry. First, I don't know how "common" this specific idea is. Where is the evidence for it? Don't plenty of people all over the world enjoy meals that don't include meat? Second, "misconception" is a loaded, not objective word. Maybe people eat meat because they want to -- is a "desire" or "preference" a "misconception"? Third, this statement is not necessary for the reader to understand what poultry is.

The diet section overall should probably be folded into a separate article about diet. At the very least, it needs to be cleaned up. Right now it's a jumble of poorly argued opinion stated as fact, and random facts.

[[User:Catfish70|Catfish70]] ([[User talk:Catfish70|talk]]) 16:18, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

== Discrepancy on chickens in the chart ==

In the chart of "Types of Poultry" for [[chicken|chickens]], the "Domestication" columns states that chickens were domesticated in [[China]] in 3000 BC. However, in the article for [[Red Junglefowl]], it states that chickens were domesticated from the Red Junglefowl in [[India]]. So which is it? These two articles appear to conflict.

== Vandalism ==

Someone changed the names of types of poultry to those of several politicians. The whole thing is not only stupid but also offensive with sick racist overtones. Whoever is in charge of this, please revert.[[User:70.118.242.240|70.118.242.240]] 23:23, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

== Protected edit request ==

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Please remove "<tt><nowiki>'''Bold text'''</nowiki></tt>" from the end of this article. Thanks -- [[User:86.137.47.240|86.137.47.240]] 19:01, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
:Done. --- [[User:RockMFR|RockMFR]] 21:08, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

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Isn't it rather implausible to claim that domestic swans are descended from wild mallards?

[[Special:Contributions/65.213.77.129|65.213.77.129]] ([[User talk:65.213.77.129|talk]]) 20:00, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

== [[Domestic rabbit]] ==

As indicated in the francophone wikipedia for them the domestic rabbit is included into the poultry since its meat is cooked the same way. [[Special:Contributions/216.86.113.233|216.86.113.233]] ([[User talk:216.86.113.233|talk]]) 21:43, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

== [[Ostrich]] ==

Shouldn't ostrich be included? Commercial ostrich farming started in South Africa in 1860.

== Call for the critical assessment of ISO..... if possible ==

* [[ISO 7251]]
http://scholar.google.com/scholar?as_q=ISO+7251&num=10&btnG=Search+Scholar&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_occt=title&as_sauthors=&as_publication=&as_ylo=&as_yhi=&as_allsubj=all&hl=en&lr=&newwindow=1
--[[Special:Contributions/222.64.18.61|222.64.18.61]] ([[User talk:222.64.18.61|talk]]) 00:07, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

* [[ISO 11866]]
http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&lr=&newwindow=1&q=allintitle%3A+ISO+11866&btnG=Search
--[[Special:Contributions/222.64.18.61|222.64.18.61]] ([[User talk:222.64.18.61|talk]]) 00:08, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

* [[ISO 16649]]
http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&lr=&newwindow=1&q=allintitle%3A+ISO+16649&btnG=Search
--[[Special:Contributions/222.64.18.61|222.64.18.61]] ([[User talk:222.64.18.61|talk]]) 00:10, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

* [[ISO 16654]]
http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&lr=&newwindow=1&q=allintitle%3A+ISO+16654&btnG=Search
--[[Special:Contributions/222.64.18.61|222.64.18.61]] ([[User talk:222.64.18.61|talk]]) 00:11, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

The reason for the appeal is based on the following
http://scholar.google.com/scholar?as_q=Escherichia+coli+poultry&num=10&btnG=Search+Scholar&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_occt=title&as_sauthors=&as_publication=&as_ylo=&as_yhi=&as_allsubj=all&hl=en&lr=&newwindow=1

http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&lr=&newwindow=1&q=allintitle%3A+Escherichia+coli+poultry+product&btnG=Search <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/222.64.18.61|222.64.18.61]] ([[User talk:222.64.18.61|talk]]) 00:13, 11 June 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&lr=&newwindow=1&q=allintitle%3A+Escherichia+coli+cheese&btnG=Search
--[[Special:Contributions/222.64.18.61|222.64.18.61]] ([[User talk:222.64.18.61|talk]]) 00:19, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

== Further standization for the detection of..... ==

[[Listeria]] is needed
http://scholar.google.com/scholar?as_q=Listeria+poultry&num=10&btnG=Search+Scholar&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_occt=title&as_sauthors=&as_publication=&as_ylo=&as_yhi=&as_allsubj=all&hl=en&lr=&newwindow=1
--[[Special:Contributions/222.64.223.101|222.64.223.101]] ([[User talk:222.64.223.101|talk]]) 01:36, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

== murdered and exploited for? ==

Really? That sure has a negative context to it. Sounds like it was written by some radical vegan. What ever happened to staying neutral?

[[Special:Contributions/71.22.116.230|71.22.116.230]] ([[User talk:71.22.116.230|talk]]) 20:24, 2 May 2010 (UTC) - Peace Out.

Final column in 'Examples' section was 'Killed For' - misleading because birds are not killed for egg/feather/weed & pest control uses. Changed 'Killed For' to 'Utilization' which hopefully is not too complex a word for this use. [[User:Kerani|Kerani]] ([[User talk:Kerani|talk]]) 13:54, 9 May 2010 (UTC)kerani
:The '''Health''' section still has a strong whiff of animal rights activism about it. --[[User:Ef80|Ef80]] ([[User talk:Ef80|talk]]) 14:20, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

== poultry a cupboard for storing food ==

Poultry is a cupboard for storing food. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/62.3.224.78|62.3.224.78]] ([[User talk:62.3.224.78|talk]]) 19:00, 8 July 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== [[Wikipedia:Proposed deletion|Proposed deletion]] of [[Poult]] ==
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== Chickens and flight ==

The article states, "Chickens cannot fly." This is blatant ignorance, based on experience only with domesticated chickens. Wild birds of ''Gallus gallus'' can certainly fly, and so can feral chickens, and also domesticated chickens if allowed to free range without wing clipping. Most domestic chickens nowadays are bred, live and die in caged structures, and never learn to fly. While it is true that chickens even in the wild prefer running to flying, they are certainly capable of it, and do so to reach tree perches. See the articles [[chicken]] and [[Red Junglefowl]]. I am deleting this sentence. [[User:Ptilinopus|Ptilinopus]] ([[User talk:Ptilinopus|talk]]) 00:26, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

== Health ==

Please consider stating the fact that cooking temperatures kill S. aureus, and most bacteria but poses a cross-contamination threat. This was stated in the citation used. [[User:Dr Bird|Dr Bird]] ([[User talk:Dr Bird|talk]]) 21:12, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

== Changing lead image ==
I propose to change the lead image of this article. The current lead image appears to show model hens in a museum exhibit. Surely we can find an image more aesthetically pleasing and informative. There are many images we could use, however, my favourite is [[Poultry of the world.jpg]] on Wikimedia Commons; I propose to replace the current image with this. __[[User:DrChrissy|DrChrissy]] ([[User talk:DrChrissy|talk]]) 16:16, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
==Expansion==
I am intending to expand this article within the next few weeks. I intend to have a section for each type of bird and will probably remove the unreferenced table that is there at the moment. I have been researching a definition for poultry and do not believe the term should include emu and ostrich. [[User:Cwmhiraeth|Cwmhiraeth]] ([[User talk:Cwmhiraeth|talk]]) 09:35, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

== immunizations ==

Eggs are used in vast quantities for growing viruses needed to make vaccines. Hence, some vaccinations can not be given to people with egg allergies. [[User:Snowmanradio|Snowman]] ([[User talk:Snowmanradio|talk]]) 22:29, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
:I have added a paragraph on this topic. [[User:Cwmhiraeth|Cwmhiraeth]] ([[User talk:Cwmhiraeth|talk]]) 07:13, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
::Hi guys. This is interesting information, but I am wondering whether it is just a bit too detailed for "Poultry" - a rather general page. Perhaps it should go on an "Egg XXX" page, or medical page? Keep up the good editing. __[[User:DrChrissy|DrChrissy]] ([[User talk:DrChrissy|talk]]) 18:28, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
:::The aim is to make the article comprehensive and avoid major omissions. [[User:Snowmanradio|Snowman]] ([[User talk:Snowmanradio|talk]]) 21:33, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
::::OK - just seems it is not the sort of information that an average reader would expect on Poultry. As I said, great information, but just not sure it belongs here. There are many other issues that are not explained on here.__[[User:DrChrissy|DrChrissy]] ([[User talk:DrChrissy|talk]]) 23:56, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
:::::Yes, it might be a surprise, but what is wrong with that? It could be shortened to "Eggs are used to generate viruses for vaccines" and not much else, but I suspect that would be too short for some readers. Which issues are not explained? [[User:Snowmanradio|Snowman]] ([[User talk:Snowmanradio|talk]]) 10:29, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
::::::I'm suggesting your information should be on a page which might get a wider audience. If I were to be looking for the effects of developing immunizations in hen eggs (is it only hen eggs?), I would not be looking at [[Poultry]]. Regarding missing issues on this page, there are many. The article does not mention pheasants, the number/variety of hen breeds, any description about swans, various issues about welfare such as shooting....and the list goes on. This is not a complaint - merely an observarion.__[[User:DrChrissy|DrChrissy]] ([[User talk:DrChrissy|talk]]) 17:49, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
:::::::Take a look at [[Vaccine#Production]] - seems ideal for your information. Just trying to be helpful.__[[User:DrChrissy|DrChrissy]] ([[User talk:DrChrissy|talk]]) 17:54, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
::::::::[[Vaccine#Production]] has the information already in rather greater detail. I'd have thought [[Chicken]] would be a better destination if the paragraph is to move, but I would be happy to leave it where it is. [[User:Cwmhiraeth|Cwmhiraeth]] ([[User talk:Cwmhiraeth|talk]]) 19:20, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
:::::::::Fair enough.__[[User:DrChrissy|DrChrissy]] ([[User talk:DrChrissy|talk]]) 19:54, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
*Pheasants may be [[game birds]] and not poultry, nevertheless the article could clarify definitions. I doubt if poultry are shot, since there are less expensive ways of killing them. I think chickens are (or were) generally killed by pulling their necks, but I am not certain if this is out-of-date now. [[User:Snowmanradio|Snowman]] ([[User talk:Snowmanradio|talk]]) 21:26, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
::OK, another example, Ducks are discussed in the article, but duck shooting is not. Commercial broilers today are usually killed by exanguination (slitting their throats and letting them bleed to death)__[[User:DrChrissy|DrChrissy]] ([[User talk:DrChrissy|talk]]) 21:51, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
:::I think that wild ducks are shot. Wild ducks are game birds and not poultry. [[User:Snowmanradio|Snowman]] ([[User talk:Snowmanradio|talk]]) 22:00, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

== Eggs ==

* As far as I understand, a lot of people just keep chickens for eggs, so egg showing became popular; see [http://www.poultryclub.org/eggs/showing-eggs/ The Poultry Club]. [[User:Snowmanradio|Snowman]] ([[User talk:Snowmanradio|talk]]) 21:19, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

*From the article: "most commercial birds are of hybrid origin.[10]". Does this refer to birds grown for their meat only? I have the impression that the temperament and egg laying of chickens is more predictable with a pure breed of hen, and that a pure breed is better for egg laying. [[User:Snowmanradio|Snowman]] ([[User talk:Snowmanradio|talk]]) 21:19, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

==Meat==
"Originally, birds were only killed for food after their egg-laying ability declined, by which time they might be scrawny and tough. " - unreferenced, & dubious. The females maybe, but what about the males? When was "originally"? The Romans had [[capon]]s, and passed laws against eating egg-layers in 162 BC apparently. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 01:45, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
:I have removed the sentence. [[User:Cwmhiraeth|Cwmhiraeth]] ([[User talk:Cwmhiraeth|talk]]) 12:10, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

== WikiProject Poultry ==

{{divbox|grey||I am just posting to alert people watching this page, since it is one of the core pages of a new project, to fact that WikiProject Poultry has now been launched and can be found at '''[[WP:POULTRY]]'''. I thought I let people know so those who may be interested in our topic will know about WikiProject Poultry's creation. Thank you for your time. [[User:JTdale|<font color="maroon">'''JTdale'''</font>]] [[User talk:JTdale|<sup><font color="green">'''Talk'''</font></sup>]] 12:55, 14 July 2014 (UTC)}}

{{Talk:Poultry/GA1}}

== For multiple reasons removed from summary the sentence: "There is some concern that poultry farmers ... risks of a pandemic." ==

For multiple reasons removed from summary the sentence: There is some concern that poultry farmers who come in intimate contact with their birds could be exposed to [[avian influenza]], and that new strains of the disease, transmissible man to man, may develop and could pose risks of a [[pandemic]]. 1. This is a suspect statement without a citation from an expert body, so removed this rather than just marking 'cite?'. 2. Out of scope of a summary/introduction because it adds nothing to readers' understanding of the topic Poultry; put it elsewhere in the article once a cite is found. 3. Superfluous without elucidation because all farming operations face various health risks. [[Special:Contributions/129.55.200.20|129.55.200.20]] ([[User talk:129.55.200.20|talk]]) 14:39, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
::I agree with removal - this certainly should not be in the lead. It is more appropriate to [[Avian influenza]] but would still need citations.__[[User:DrChrissy|DrChrissy]] ([[User talk:DrChrissy|talk]]) 14:55, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

== Capitalization of bird names ==

I recently edited the article to change bird common names to lower case based the changes made to [[MOS:LIFE]] in April 2014 following a long discussion and request for comment documented at [[WP:BIRDCON]]. There it says {{tq|"English vernacular ('common') names are given in lower case in article prose"}}. Another editor has reversed one of those changes stating {{tq|"Precedent shows poultry breed names, standardised by international and national poultry bodies, are capitalised in all wikipedia articles"}}. My thought would be that as this is Wikipedia rather than a publication of "poultry bodies" we should follow Wikipedia style. I'd appreciate other views on this issue. Thank you. <span style="background-color:#B7D9F9;padding:0px 3px;border-radius:3px">[[User:SchreiberBike|SchreiberBike]]&nbsp;<span style="border-left:1px solid #0E5CA4;padding-left:3px">[[User talk:SchreiberBike|talk]]</span></span> 02:11, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
: Not talking about bird names, we're discussing specifically poultry. I am aware of the mess that was caused with WikiProject Birds, and as I understand, sufficiently annoyed most other animal Wikiprojects to cause a mass exodus of editors in our area. However, poultry breed names (granted, Red Jungle Fowl being a weird case) are not species. They are breeds, major difference. Wild bird names are not officially sanctioned by major organisations responsible for standardising them, while poultry breeds are - i.e: The Poultry Club of Great Britain, American Poultry Association and American Bantam Association, Entente Européenne d’Aviculture et de Cuniculture, the Australian Poultry Standards Committee, the New Zealand Poultry, Pigeon & Cage Bird Association. I can go on all day about societies and these are just the English language ones, who have a role in what we call our poultry breeds.. [[User:JTdale|<font color="maroon">'''JT</font><font color="grey"><sub>dale</sub>'''</font>]][[User talk:JTdale|<sup><font color="green">'''Talk'''</font>]]~</sup> 08:05, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
:: I think I understand what you are saying. I'm not advocating for changing capitalization of breeds here. [[Red junglefowl]] (''Gallus gallus'') though is a species; chicken (''Gallus gallus domesticus'') is one of its subspecies. [[List of chicken breeds|Breeds]] are generally capitalized on Wikipedia, but species common names are not. Do you understand that the same way? <span style="background-color:#B7D9F9;padding:0px 3px;border-radius:3px">[[User:SchreiberBike|SchreiberBike]]&nbsp;<span style="border-left:1px solid #0E5CA4;padding-left:3px">[[User talk:SchreiberBike|talk]]</span></span> 17:13, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
::::I believe SchreiberBike is correct. I started a related topic at the Talk page of [[Mustang]]. I personally do not believe that breeds should be capitalised and that to capitalise is against WP:MOS. However, this is a much larger issue and this is not the page to discuss it on.__[[User:DrChrissy|DrChrissy]] ([[User talk:DrChrissy|talk]]) 18:12, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

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Who came First egg or chicken

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? 2C0F:F0F8:639:1404:313F:7A46:C4C4:E037 (talk) 19:44, 23 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@2C0F:F0F8:639:1404:313F:7A46:C4C4:E037: Yes. Philroc (talk) 19:46, 23 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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