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==== (Posted) RD: Terry Beasley ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Terry Beasley
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/39436542/terry-beasley-ex-auburn-wr-college-hall-famer-dies-73 ESPN]
| updated       = yes
| nominator     = Kafoxe
| updaters      = CaptainTeebs, Muboshgu, Bagumba
}} [[User:Kafoxe|Kafoxe]] ([[User talk:Kafoxe|talk]]) 00:58, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - article looks good  <small> ✈</small> [[User:mike_gigs|mike_gigs]] <sup>[[User talk:mike_gigs|talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/mike_gigs|contribs]]</sub> 14:33, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Sufficent breadth and sourcing. Marking ready.—[[User:Bagumba|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba|talk]]) 17:44, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
* '''Posted''' on a Sunday afternoon. ''R.I.P.'' --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 21:03, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

==== (Posted) Change of head of state of Malaysia ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Ibrahim Iskandar of Johor<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| image         =<!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = '''[[Ibrahim Iskandar of Johor]]''' is sworn in as the 17th [[Yang di-Pertuan Agong]] of Malaysia.<!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- Depends on discussion. Only put in 'yes' if the event is considered listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [https://apnews.com/article/malaysia-new-king-rotating-monarchy-3a066ff1a47829139c2d3d92395b5c9c AP]<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Natg 19 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator       = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}} Change of head of state of Malaysia. Seems to be a ceremonial role, so unclear notability. <!-- Additional comments go before here --> [[User:Natg 19|Natg 19]] ([[User talk:Natg 19|talk]]) 18:26, 31 January 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->
*'''Support on notability''' this is a change in the head of state. Monarchs in 21st-century Europe are arguably a ceremonial role, so if we post them, we should post this on the basis of notability. --[[User:MtPenguinMonster|MtPenguinMonster]] ([[User talk:MtPenguinMonster|talk]]) 20:39, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Per [[WP:ITNELECTIONS]], any change of the head of state is notable enough for ITN. From the [[List of current heads of state and government]] article, we can see that this change constitutes a change in the head of state of Malaysia. [[User:2G0o2De0l|2G0o2De0l]] ([[User talk:2G0o2De0l|talk]]) 21:07, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
*:No, it's any change in the holder of the office which administer the executive, which in Malaysia is the Prime Minister according to that list. [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#947E00">Chaotıċ<span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:30deg;color:indigo">Enby</span></span>]]([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|contribs]]) 21:16, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Per article, he was elected on 27 October 2023 and, if I understand correctly, the swearing-in ceremony is a formality, similar to presidential inaugurations. [[User:Brandmeister|Brandmeister]]<sup>[[User talk:Brandmeister|talk]]</sup>   21:58, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
*:Let's be honest, the ''election'' is a formality too, it's [[Conference of Rulers|nine monarchs]] rotating among themselves every 5 years in a predefined order. The next one will very likely be [[Nazrin Shah of Perak]] in five years, as Perak comes after Johor in the cycle. [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#947E00">Chaotıċ<span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:30deg;color:indigo">Enby</span></span>]]([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|contribs]]) 22:33, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
*::'''Weak oppose''' - Due to this reason. Routine event that doesn't have as much significance as a traditional change in head of state [[User:PrecariousWorlds|PrecariousWorlds]] ([[User talk:PrecariousWorlds|talk]]) 12:27, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' He's in the news and seems likely to make a difference.  See ''[https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/1/30/malaysia-prepares-for-hands-on-king-as-johor-sultan-takes-the-throne Malaysia prepares for ‘hands-on’ king...]'' [[user:Andrew Davidson|Andrew]]🐉([[user talk:Andrew Davidson|talk]]) 22:28, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

:'''Conditional support, provisional oppose''' on quality; several unsourced statements throughout his article, but similar to European monarchies, it is indeed an alteration of the head of state. — [[User:Knightoftheswords281|<span style="background:black; color:white; padding:2px;">'''Knightof'''</span>]][[User talk:Knightoftheswords281|<span style="background:#70c6ff; color:black; padding:2px;">'''theswords'''</span>]] 23:43, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' He was elected as king in October & this was a swearing in ceremony that happened. Additionally, I don’t think a change in a ceremonial role is notable unless something that’s out of the ordinary happens (such as the 1st abdication of a Danish monarch since 1146). [[User:Blaylockjam10|Blaylockjam10]] ([[User talk:Blaylockjam10|talk]]) 00:27, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
*'''Weak support''' on precedence, and the unique nature of a semi-elective monarchy; however, I do question why we didn’t post this in October. [[User:The Kip|<span style="color:#333f42;">'''The'''</span>]] [[User talk:The Kip|<span style="color:#b4975a;">'''Kip'''</span>]] 02:21, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - Though he may not really be the head of state, ceremonial/monarchial role changes are often posted on ITN as well, so I don't see this as much of a hinderance for posting. - [[User:Bucket of sulfuric acid|Bucket of sulfuric acid]] (he/him &#124; [[User talk:Bucket of sulfuric acid|talk]]) 08:20, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' not ITN/R as discussed above, nonetheless notable and comparable to death of a monarch which we do post [[User:Orbitalbuzzsaw|This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang]] ([[User talk:Orbitalbuzzsaw|talk]]) 13:39, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

:* '''Support'''. Head of State change, and the Malaysian monarchy is unique, even if this would've been better posted in October.
:[[User:River10000|River10000]] ([[User talk:River10000|talk]]) 15:24, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''  Happens every 5 years. The role is purely nominal. They are not elected either (rotate on a list) so im voting to '''oppose''' [[User:Kasperquickly|Kasperquickly]] ([[User talk:Kasperquickly|talk]]) 17:39, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Yes, it's 9 monarchs "voting" to rotate the crown in a fixed order (as I stated above), but that's what makes the Malaysian monarchy unique and it would be interesting to highlight this little-known cultural specificity to the readers. [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#947E00">Chaotıċ<span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:30deg;color:indigo">Enby</span></span>]]([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|contribs]]) 18:19, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

:• '''Support'''   A head of state change is notable enough for ITN though this would've been better posting when he was elected king [[User:Setarip|Setarip]] ([[User talk:Setarip|talk]]) 10:51, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
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*:this whole thread seems like a bunch of paid editors bought by the office of this guy, who is, and this is true, a [[kleptocrat]] [[User:Kasperquickly|Kasperquickly]] ([[User talk:Kasperquickly|talk]]) 18:50, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
*::Please don't [[wikipedia:cast aspersions|cast aspersions]] on people you disagree with. Wanting to highlight a cool fact from across the world doesn't mean anyone here is paid by the guy. [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#947E00">Chaotıċ<span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:30deg;color:indigo">Enby</span></span>]]([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|contribs]]) 19:19, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
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*'''Oppose''' - we do not post heads of state that are not also heads of government. We shouldn't have done it for inconsequential transitions like the King of Denmark, we shouldn't do it now. --[[User:Rockstone35|<span style="color:#DF0101"><b>Rockstone</b></span>]][[User talk:Rockstone35|<span style="color:0000ff;font-size:15px"><sup><small><b>Send me a message!</b></small></sup></span>]] 00:55, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
*:I don't get what you mean by "we do not post head of states that are not also heads of government" when we did post both King Charles' accession and coronation. Being a head of state without any executive power doesn't warrant as a reason of not posting something. [[User:Tofusaurus|Tofusaurus]] ([[User talk:Tofusaurus|talk]]) 02:27, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
*::I feel like we don’t should be read as we shouldn’t. '''[[User talk:Nableezy|<span style="color:#C11B17;font-size:90%">nableezy</span>]]''' -  04:24, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
*'''Nominal support''': Sets a precedence as we did not post when the 16th king was installed. Unsure about notability, but transitions of monarchs usually should be posted nevertheless. [[User:Tofusaurus|Tofusaurus]] ([[User talk:Tofusaurus|talk]]) 02:39, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - Change of head of state is generally newsworthy in the relevant sense for ITN. I still don't know why we don't fully translate the Malay king's title, but that's an aside. [[User:GenevieveDEon|GenevieveDEon]] ([[User talk:GenevieveDEon|talk]]) 13:15, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted'''. I've posted without the image; I'm ''extremely'' skeptical it's a case of own work, and I've tagged the image on Commons as lacking evidence of permission. — [[User:Red-tailed hawk|<span style="color: #660000">Red-tailed&nbsp;hawk</span>]]&nbsp;<sub>[[User talk:Red-tailed hawk|<span style="color: #660000">(nest)</span>]]</sub> 00:45, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
*:'''Comment''' Can we swap the current image with something like [[File:Ibrahim Ismail of Johor Rajasekharan 2019.jpg|40px]]? He looks like he's going for a round of golf on the main page. [[User:Bremps|'''<span style="background:#000000; color:white; padding:2px;">Bremps</span>''']][[User talk:Bremps|'''<span style="color:grey;">...</span>''']] 01:03, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

==== (Closed) Obelisk (life form) ====
{{atop|Consensus again is to wait for peer review. [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 22:25, 1 February 2024 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Obelisk (life form)
| image         = 
| blurb         = A new form of life, "'''[[Obelisk (life form)|obelisks]]'''", is discovered.
| recent deaths = no
| ongoing       = no
| ITNR          = no
| altblurb      = A new form of [[non-cellular life]], "'''[[Obelisk (life form)|obelisks]]'''", is discovered.
| altblurb2     = A putative new form of [[non-cellular life]], "'''[[Obelisk (life form)|obelisks]]'''", is announced.
| sources       = https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-024-00266-7
| updated       = no
| nominator     = Pigsonthewing
| creator       = Pigsonthewing
| updaters      = Paragem
}}

* '''Support''', as nominator. <s>Perhaps too short at present, but</s> most definitely noteworthy. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 13:25, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
** Now expanded, with a merge from [[Obelisk (virology)]] (created later), so crediting [[User:Paragem]]. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 13:55, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
* '''Oppose''', "The work was posted on the bioRxiv preprint server on 21 January, and has yet to be peer reviewed." [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram|talk]]) 14:03, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
*I agree with Fram, we should probably wait for a peer-reviewed printing. This gives us time to improve the article too. The article is currently too short. This is definitely something I hope we can feature on ITN at some point, however! ~[[User:Maplestrip|<span style="color:#005080">Maplestrip/Mable</span>]] ([[User talk:Maplestrip|<span style="color:#700090">chat</span>]]) 14:12, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
**Meanwhile news outlets from Nature to the popular press, and all around the world, are reporting this news. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 14:16, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
***WP has higher standards to make sure scientific and medical content has been validated, not just claimed.<span id="Masem:1706712389883:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> —&nbsp;[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 14:46, 31 January 2024 (UTC)</span>
***:Yeah, I dont think this level of sourcing is enough to claim anything was actually discovered. Only that a preprint says it was. '''[[User talk:Nableezy|<span style="color:#C11B17;font-size:90%">nableezy</span>]]''' -  14:51, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
***:: How about altblurb2? <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 15:00, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
***:::But I dont think a putative new form of life being announced is something we should feature here. Id happily support it when it is peer-reviewed. '''[[User talk:Nableezy|<span style="color:#C11B17;font-size:90%">nableezy</span>]]''' -  15:06, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
****Yes, Nature is known for its lax standards. Also, what "medical content"? <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 15:00, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
*****The Nature article is simply reporting details from the preprint but acknowledges this is a preprint so that puts an implicit caution these may not be as described. And given its related to the human body, that falls under medical content.<span id="Masem:1706720973695:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> —&nbsp;[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 17:09, 31 January 2024 (UTC)</span>
*'''Support''' Very very interesting, definitely significant enough if true, but maybe premature - not yet per-reviewed, and the article may be a little short but that could recieve lenience because of how recent it is [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 14:16, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
* '''Wait''', as per [[User:Maplestrip]]. {{small|For a moment there I thought it was [[Monolith (Space Odyssey)|that thing in Space Odyssey]]}} [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 14:19, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Wait''' As per above, wait for a peer review of the findings. After this, if the findings are true, '''support''' as a new form of life seems significant enough for ITN. [[User:2G0o2De0l|2G0o2De0l]] ([[User talk:2G0o2De0l|talk]]) 14:24, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' - per Fram. '''[[User talk:Nableezy|<span style="color:#C11B17;font-size:90%">nableezy</span>]]''' -  14:25, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
*<s>'''Support'''</s> (edit: '''Wait'''), although it would be better to mention that these [[subviral agents]] are [[non-cellular life]], which is often considered at the boundary between life and non-life. <s>News outlets are reporting it now, and I'm afraid waiting for a peer-reviewed confirmation would make it stale.</s> As an encyclopedia, it's better to follow what's "the news" in the relevant journals (i.e. peer review) rather than rushing to follow newspaper articles. [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#947E00">Chaotıċ<span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:30deg;color:indigo">Enby</span></span>]]([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|contribs]]) 14:31, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
*:I think it would be much more respectable for us to post a month later when the peer reviews come in, rather than now, even if the more usual news sources are reporting on it now. We are not a news website, we are an encyclopedia with an eye on current events. ~[[User:Maplestrip|<span style="color:#005080">Maplestrip/Mable</span>]] ([[User talk:Maplestrip|<span style="color:#700090">chat</span>]]) 14:45, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
*::I absolutely understand your point of view, and I would prefer it to be reported once peer-reviewed, but I am afraid it would be considered stale and not be published at all in that case. [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#947E00">Chaotıċ<span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:30deg;color:indigo">Enby</span></span>]]([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|contribs]]) 14:46, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
*:::This has been a problem before, yes, and I am worried too. I think ITN has a systemic problem that makes us "incapable" of featuring most science news if we wait for peer-reviews, and we might need a broader discussion on this... ~[[User:Maplestrip|<span style="color:#005080">Maplestrip/Mable</span>]] ([[User talk:Maplestrip|<span style="color:#700090">chat</span>]]) 15:14, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
*::::Disregard the people saying stale when the peer review happens and problem solved. '''[[User talk:Nableezy|<span style="color:#C11B17;font-size:90%">nableezy</span>]]''' -  15:17, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
*:::::I would like to formalize something like that in the ITN guidelines. ~[[User:Maplestrip|<span style="color:#005080">Maplestrip/Mable</span>]] ([[User talk:Maplestrip|<span style="color:#700090">chat</span>]]) 15:25, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
*::::::You have my support! [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#947E00">Chaotıċ<span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:30deg;color:indigo">Enby</span></span>]]([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|contribs]]) 15:44, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
*:::::If the consensus is that a nomination is stale, the posting admin can't just ignore that consensus. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 15:54, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per Fram. Without proper validation, would there even be a Wikipedia?  <small> ✈</small> [[User:mike_gigs|mike_gigs]] <sup>[[User talk:mike_gigs|talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/mike_gigs|contribs]]</sub> 15:07, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Wait, leaning oppose''' per others. If the peer review of this is a newsworthy enough item (on the same level of coverage as this, or greater) and/or can be completed before this story becomes staler than the oldest item on the ITN page, then I think we post it at that time. <sub>Duly signed,</sub> '''[[User:WaltCip|⛵ <span style="color: white; font-family: Verdana; font-weight: bold; background: linear-gradient(white, blue, navy, black)">WaltClipper</span> ]]'''-''<small>([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]])</small>'' 15:52, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
:* Oppose on the basis of short article. I also wonder about the notability in case this is one of many life forms that are regularly discovered. The article does not mention how rare this sort of discovery is.
:[[User:CollationoftheWilling|CollationoftheWilling]] ([[User talk:CollationoftheWilling|talk]]) 16:25, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
::It's a whole new category of [[non-cellular life]]. There's like a handful of them in total ([[virus]], [[viroid]], [[satellite (biology)|satellite]], [[prion]], [[plasmid]], [[obelisk (life form)|obelisk]], [[defective interfering particle]] and [[viriform]]), all stranding the line between life and non-life. [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#947E00">Chaotıċ<span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:30deg;color:indigo">Enby</span></span>]]([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|contribs]]) 16:42, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
:::{{small|If we wait too long, it might get so stale that it dies.... and then we can argue under [[WP:ITNRD]] if was really living or not? [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 16:48, 31 January 2024 (UTC)}}
*'''Wait''' per Fram. Leaning oppose on quality of article. Needs major expansion. [[User:Natg 19|Natg 19]] ([[User talk:Natg 19|talk]]) 17:55, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Needs work''' The "new form of life" hook seems over-hyped.  The Nature article says that "obelisks have the same shape as many viroids" and [[viroid]]s were discovered in the 1970s.  So, these things seem to be a new strain rather than something completely new.  The claim seems to rest on some novelty in the sequencing but my impression is that down at that level, you get a wild variety of mutation and permutations and so it's just a matter of looking.  So, to be significant, I reckon we need more on the implications for their role in human physiology and the gut biome.
: On the other hand, waiting on formal peer review is silly because that's just a sanity check by a particular reviewer which proves little and that might take ages.  We may already have some similar opinions in the sources such as {{quote|The study is “a milestone” because it presents the best available evidence that such elements are widespread in the bacterial world, and not just in more complex organisms, says molecular biologist Joan Marquez-Molins at the Swedish University of Agricultural Sciences in Uppsala, who was not involved in the work. “It’s not really something sporadic or isolated in the population — it’s really affecting a considerable amount of the sample,” he says.}}
: But Joan Marquez-Molins just seems to be a new post-doc.  Is there a wider consensus out there?
: [[user:Andrew Davidson|Andrew]]🐉([[user talk:Andrew Davidson|talk]]) 18:14, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
::Obelisks aren't just a new strain of viroids, and that's where the novelty is. They're structurally more complex, with RNA folding in a different shape including the namesake rod-like structures (in comparison, viroids are a single naked strand of circular RNA). Indeed, researchers never call them "viroid" but only "viroid-like". Also, while mutations do change the genome, they can still be established to be genetically related (even humans and bacteria!), while obelisks are genetically completely unrelated to any lifeform known previously. [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#947E00">Chaotıċ<span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:30deg;color:indigo">Enby</span></span>]]([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|contribs]]) 18:35, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
:::Looking at the paper, it appears that the study looked for patterns in sequencing databases.  The finding seems to have the same circular RNA as viroids.  The protein encoding and rod-like structure seems to be a prediction based upon a folding model rather than the result of a direct observation.  So, this structural prediction seems to need some confirmation.  The overall approach is interesting in that it seems mostly software-based rather than doing the dirty work of collecting stool samples.  I'm wary of this approach because, if you look for patterns in a large mass of data, then you <u>will</u> find them but you have to consider artifacts and alternative explanations. [[user:Andrew Davidson|Andrew]]🐉([[user talk:Andrew Davidson|talk]]) 09:21, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' (or, more precisely, '''Wait''').  We can wait for the peer-review, Wikipedia is not a news ticker.  If people complain that the story is stale at that point, we can just point them back here. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 18:46, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' although this is interesting, it needs to be verified by peer review first, and quality of the article will need to be improved. [[User:Editor 5426387|Editor 5426387]] ([[User talk:Editor 5426387|talk]]) 19:00, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Strong oppose'''. This study has not been peer-reviewed so has a high chance of being wrong, or that it's over-sold. If/when a peer-reviewed paper describing the results is published in a serious scientific journal (which will be months at least) then we can reconsider. News stories are not enough. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 19:25, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' We shouldn't report on new scientific discoveries from press releases and pre-prints. [[User:Secretlondon|Secretlondon]] ([[User talk:Secretlondon|talk]]) 19:41, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Question''' Did ITN post about the Borg, either [https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.10.451761v1 preprint] or [https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-022-05256-1 peer-reviewed]? [[Special:Contributions/128.91.40.237|128.91.40.237]] ([[User talk:128.91.40.237|talk]]) 20:14, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
*:Not sure, but I'd argue the cases are different: the Borg discovery paper stated that they could {{tq|neither prove that they are archaeal viruses or plasmids or minichromosomes, nor prove that they are not}}, but that {{tq|they may ultimately be classified as megaplasmids}}, while obelisks are pretty clearly distinct from other subviral agents, even viroids. [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#947E00">Chaotıċ<span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:30deg;color:indigo">Enby</span></span>]]([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|contribs]]) 21:10, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
*::Worse, it looks like no one wrote an article on this subject at all. Shame to see us lacking in this field... ~[[User:Maplestrip|<span style="color:#005080">Maplestrip/Mable</span>]] ([[User talk:Maplestrip|<span style="color:#700090">chat</span>]]) 12:42, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
*:::See [[Borg (microbiology)]]. [[user:Andrew Davidson|Andrew]]🐉([[user talk:Andrew Davidson|talk]]) 14:23, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
*'''Wait''' until this is peer-reviewed. [[User:Blaylockjam10|Blaylockjam10]] ([[User talk:Blaylockjam10|talk]]) 20:35, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Wait''' for peer review. --[[User:MtPenguinMonster|MtPenguinMonster]] ([[User talk:MtPenguinMonster|talk]]) 21:09, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Wait''' per above, '''if confirmed, support'''. Great if it pans out, but [[LK-99]] didn't. [[User:Bremps|'''<span style="background:#000000; color:white; padding:2px;">Bremps</span>''']][[User talk:Bremps|'''<span style="color:grey;">...</span>''']] 00:31, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
*'''Wait''' per all above. [[User:The Kip|<span style="color:#333f42;">'''The'''</span>]] [[User talk:The Kip|<span style="color:#b4975a;">'''Kip'''</span>]] 02:21, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' I had closed this discussion because there was strong consensus to wait until a complete peer-review of the discovery before it was re-opened. From my personal experience as an author and a referee, a peer-review in a reputable journal usually takes from several months up to several years, which means that the probability that the wait votes will be satisfied before the nomination gets stale or archived in about a week is almost 0. I have never closed a nomination twice, so I'll urge this to be closed and nominated again when the peer-review is complete and the paper gets published.--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 13:08, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
*:We're talking about a new form of life here and that's potentially such a major discovery that it merits at least 24 hours of discussion and it hasn't had that yet.  [[user:Andrew Davidson|Andrew]]🐉([[user talk:Andrew Davidson|talk]]) 13:19, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
*::Except there's clear SNOW here to wait for a peer review at minimum. Which anyone in the sciences knows doesn't happen in just a few days. [[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 13:31, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
*::We can't seriously talk about anything until it's peer-reviewed. No matter how sensationally it sounds, this may be outright rejected as incorrect.--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 13:37, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
*:::Peer review is not confirmation and a large proportion of peer-reviewed papers are found to be incorrect -- see the [[replication crisis]] &c.  That's why [[WP:MEDRS]] has a much higher threshold.  But we can make the tentative status of such claims clear in our blurbs and so it's better to say something than nothing at all. [[user:Andrew Davidson|Andrew]]🐉([[user talk:Andrew Davidson|talk]]) 14:16, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
*::::Even if this passed peer review, we would still likely make sure the wording on the claim is tentative, as it would require a broad consemsus in the scientific community to assure this is a new form of life. Absolutely should wait to have that peer review to pass the basic level of fact checking.<span id="Masem:1706798175549:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> —&nbsp;[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 14:36, 1 February 2024 (UTC)</span>
*'''Oppose''' Neat discovery, but should be closed per Kiril [[User:Kcmastrpc|Kcmastrpc]] ([[User talk:Kcmastrpc|talk]]) 13:12, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
*'''Strong Oppose''' This is one of those noms that has an overblown proposed blurb that completely misrepresents the underlying event.  The blurb asserts its importance with the claim "A new form of life".  None of the sources I consulted state this, and no, it cannot be taken as read.  There is no scientific consensus as to whether even viruses are ''alive'': these new structures share the same problematic nature and yet are are even more primitive.  The proposal here is that we can skip peer review and scientific consensus building and call it off our own bat.  That isn't encyclopedic: far from being promoted on the front page this is skirting with the margins of being PROD-worthy. [[User:3142|3142]] ([[User talk:3142|talk]]) 15:36, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
*:That's why the altblurb says [[non-cellular life]], which is to life what [[dwarf planet]]s are to planets. [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#947E00">Chaotıċ<span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:30deg;color:indigo">Enby</span></span>]]([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|contribs]]) 16:11, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' just because the media hyped it as a new discovery despite a lack of scientific rigour in doing so, we shouldn't do the same. No evidence this "discovery" is actually factually correct. [[User:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b>]][[User talk:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#000000">2302</b>]] ([[User talk:Joseph2302|talk]]) 16:34, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' So few details known that the article is not up to the required standard. [[User:Nigej|Nigej]] ([[User talk:Nigej|talk]]) 17:05, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
*'''Recommend close''' This discussion was closed due to overwhelming oppose/wait votes, reopened ''against'' consensus, and has since garnered a further four opposes. [[WP:SNOW]] should apply by now. [[User:The Kip|<span style="color:#333f42;">'''The'''</span>]] [[User talk:The Kip|<span style="color:#b4975a;">'''Kip'''</span>]] 19:42, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
{{abot}}

==== (Closed) Saravan killings ====
{{atop|Consensus will not develop to post. [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 10:47, 5 February 2024 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = 2024 Saravan killings
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = Nine [[Pakistanis in Iran|Pakistani]] laborers '''[[2024 Saravan killings|are killed]]''' by unidentified gunmen in the city of [[Saravan, Iran]].
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb      = In Iran, nine [[Pakistanis in Iran|Pakistani]] labourers '''[[2024 Saravan killings|are killed]]''' in a [[mass shooting]] in [[Saravan, Iran|Saravan]].
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/28/middleeast/gunmen-kill-nine-pakistanis-in-iranian-border-region-days-after-military-strikes/index.html CNN], [https://www.france24.com/en/asia-pacific/20240127-unidentified-gunmen-in-iran-kill-several-foreign-nationals-near-pakistan-border France24], [https://www.voanews.com/a/gunmen-kill-9-people-in-iran-near-pakistan-border/7459760.html VOA], [https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/gunmen-kill-nine-foreign-nationals-southeast-iran-near-pakistan-border-report-2024-01-27/ Reuters], [https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/1/27/gunmen-kill-nine-pakistani-nationals-in-southeastern-iran Al Jazeera]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Ainty Painty <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator       = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}} <!-- Additional comments go before here --> [[User:Ainty Painty|Ainty Painty]] ([[User talk:Ainty Painty|talk]]) 08:10, 31 January 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->
* '''Support'''. Article meets requirements. [[User:Einsof|Einsof]] ([[User talk:Einsof|talk]]) 12:38, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
* '''Support''' because the article is to denote a major moment in a possible conflict issue during a period where turbulent Middle Eastern events are front page across the globe. [[User:CollationoftheWilling|CollationoftheWilling]] ([[User talk:CollationoftheWilling|talk]]) 12:54, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' as this is significant in the context of the [[2024 Iran–Pakistan border skirmishes|strained Iran-Pakistan relations ]]. [[User:2G0o2De0l|2G0o2De0l]] ([[User talk:2G0o2De0l|talk]]) 14:32, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' - as long as the gunman aren't identified, any significance in regard to Iran-Pakistan relations is only speculation. Also, the article is a little short for the main page I think  <small> ✈</small> [[User:mike_gigs|mike_gigs]] <sup>[[User talk:mike_gigs|talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/mike_gigs|contribs]]</sub> 15:11, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
*:The significant isn't based on whether they are working for the Iranians, but on the wider tensions between Pakistanis and Iranians. [[User:CollationoftheWilling|CollationoftheWilling]] ([[User talk:CollationoftheWilling|talk]]) 16:15, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
*::Yes, but without knowing who or why this shooting took place, there is no way to verifiably link this to the conflict. Saying this event may have an impact on a ''possible conflict issue'' would be a violation of [[WP:CRYSTALBALL]]  <small> ✈</small> [[User:mike_gigs|mike_gigs]] <sup>[[User talk:mike_gigs|talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/mike_gigs|contribs]]</sub> 16:36, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
*:::This would be posted even if there wasn't a link to the Middle East crisis. I just think it is noteworthy that the attack would be perceived (and has been perceived by some media outlets) to be linked to the Middle East crisis. [[User:CollationoftheWilling|CollationoftheWilling]] ([[User talk:CollationoftheWilling|talk]]) 16:47, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per mike. [[User:Alsoriano97|_-_Alsor]] ([[User talk:Alsoriano97|talk]]) 17:30, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' because without knowing who did it or why, the death toll isn't high enough to post this. It was probably done by [[Baloch separatist]] [[insurgent]]s as part of the [[Sistan and Baluchestan insurgency]]. The attackers may not have known the victims were [[Pakistanis]]. [[Special:Contributions/2A00:23C4:B18A:2E01:DD24:747B:26FE:2AA4|2A00:23C4:B18A:2E01:DD24:747B:26FE:2AA4]] ([[User talk:2A00:23C4:B18A:2E01:DD24:747B:26FE:2AA4|talk]]) 23:43, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose for now on quality''' I don’t think there are enough details in the “Incident” section. [[User:Blaylockjam10|Blaylockjam10]] ([[User talk:Blaylockjam10|talk]]) 00:40, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per Mike. Need to be careful that we don’t perform any OR here. [[User:The Kip|<span style="color:#333f42;">'''The'''</span>]] [[User talk:The Kip|<span style="color:#b4975a;">'''Kip'''</span>]] 02:22, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' terrorist attacks are by no means rare in this region, and the vast majority are not even put into the Current Events portal, let alone nominated for ITN. I don't think that this one is so exceptional as to meet or surpass the standards for significance. Given that there hasn't been a new blurb in a long time now, maybe standards for significance should be lowered, but I don't think that this meets even a lower standard. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 09:19, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
:* '''Comment''' that AlJazeera has said the attacks were by militants supporting provincial separation of a place I can't easily spell. It's notable that the attack was targeting Pakistanis in a country which it has has tensions. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/1/30/at-least-10-killed-in-overnight-attack-by-baloch-rebels-in-pakistan
:[[User:CollationoftheWilling|CollationoftheWilling]] ([[User talk:CollationoftheWilling|talk]]) 10:38, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
::The [[insurgency in Balochistan]] is at the core of the current Iran-Pakistan tensions, given that both states have accused each other of harboring Baloch rebels, and used them as a justification for their respective strikes. [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#947E00">Chaotıċ<span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:30deg;color:indigo">Enby</span></span>]]([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|contribs]]) 11:36, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
{{abot}}
== January 30 ==
{{cot|[[Portal:Current events/2024 January 30]]}}
{{Portal:Current events/2024 January 30}}
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==== (Posted) RD: Jean Carnahan ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Jean Carnahan
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/obituaries/2024/01/30/senator-jean-carnahan-dies-missouri/bbb496e8-bfce-11ee-a4c6-8f5c350e9316_story.html]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Muboshgu <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = Muboshgu <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}} <!-- Additional comments go before here --> &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 01:01, 31 January 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->
*'''Support''' - citations look good  <small> ✈</small> [[User:mike_gigs|mike_gigs]] <sup>[[User talk:mike_gigs|talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/mike_gigs|contribs]]</sub> 15:17, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Article quality is fine, good for RD. Alright length + general overview of the article shows no outstanding issues. Cheers, ''atque supra''! [[User:Fakescientist8000|Fake]][[User talk:Fakescientist8000|scientist]][[Special:Contributions/Fakescientist8000|8000]] 21:01, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' -Article quality is ok. No issues.[[User:BabbaQ|BabbaQ]] ([[User talk:BabbaQ|talk]]) 22:34, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted to RD'''. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082529">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T•</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">C</span>]]</sup> 05:42, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

==== (Posted) RD: Melinda Ledbetter ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Melinda Ledbetter
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/celebrities/2024/01/30/brian-wilson-wife-dead-melinda-ledbetter-the-beach-boys/72413242007/ USA Today]
| updated       = yes
| nominator     = Natg 19 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = Jkaharper
}} Looks good. [[User:Natg 19|Natg 19]] ([[User talk:Natg 19|talk]]) 00:02, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Article meets requirements. [[User:Ollieisanerd|<span style="font-weight: bold; background-color: #007FFF; color: #98FB98;">Ollieisanerd</span>]] ([[User talk:Ollieisanerd|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ollieisanerd|contribs]]) 07:29, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - good enough for RD  <small> ✈</small> [[User:mike_gigs|mike_gigs]] <sup>[[User talk:mike_gigs|talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/mike_gigs|contribs]]</sub> 15:16, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - Good to go.[[User:BabbaQ|BabbaQ]] ([[User talk:BabbaQ|talk]]) 22:33, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted to RD'''. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082529">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T•</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">C</span>]]</sup> 05:44, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

====(Posted) RD: Chita Rivera ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Chita Rivera
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/30/theater/chita-rivera-dead.html New York Times]
| updated       = yes
| nominator     = mike_gigs
| updaters      = deathisallaroundus, The One I Left, Bloom6132
}} Article needs some work, especially citing her acting roles  <small> ✈</small> [[User:mike_gigs|mike_gigs]] <sup>[[User talk:mike_gigs|talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/mike_gigs|contribs]]</sub> 19:55, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. Article meets requirements. [[User:Einsof|Einsof]] ([[User talk:Einsof|talk]]) 12:39, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' [[User:Bruxton|Bruxton]] ([[User talk:Bruxton|talk]]) 16:31, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Citations still needed, including filmography and awards. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 16:36, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
:*{{re|Muboshgu}} hope you can take another look. —[[User:Bloom6132|Bloom6132]] ([[User talk:Bloom6132|talk]]) 22:57, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' – article is well-referenced and meets minimum depth of coverage for ITN after my edits. —[[User:Bloom6132|Bloom6132]] ([[User talk:Bloom6132|talk]]) 22:57, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Thanks to Bloom6132's work, all the acting credits and awards are cited. Every paragraph after the lede also has at least one citation, and there are no outstanding CN tags. Seems good to go. [[Special:Contributions/70.181.1.68|70.181.1.68]] ([[User talk:70.181.1.68|talk]]) 06:02, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted to RD'''. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082529">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T•</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">C</span>]]</sup> 08:30, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

====(Posted) Imran Khan jailed for 10 and 14 years ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Imran Khan <!-- Do not wikilink -->
| image         = Imran Khan - 2023 (cropped).jpg <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = Former [[Prime Minister of Pakistan]] '''[[Imran Khan]]''' (pictured in 2023) is sentenced to 10 years in prison for [[Lettergate|leaking]] [[classified information|state secrets]]. <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb      = Former [[Prime Minister of Pakistan]] '''[[Imran Khan]]''' (pictured in 2023) is sentenced to 10 years in prison for [[Lettergate|leaking]] [[classified information|state secrets]], and to 14 years for [[corruption]]. <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-68138591 BBC News], [https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-68150959 BBC News] <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = yes <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = JM2023 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator       = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters      = JM2023, Borgenland <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}} A one-sentence update, should perhaps be given its own section with aftermath/reactions, but I think the imprisonment of a recent PM (2018-2022) of a country with almost 250 million people is significant enough for ITN. <!-- Additional comments go before here --> [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 16:14, 30 January 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->

:'''Suport upon major updates''' - major effects from one of the largest ostensible democracies on Earth. — [[User:Knightoftheswords281|<span style="background:black; color:white; padding:2px;">'''Knightof'''</span>]][[User talk:Knightoftheswords281|<span style="background:#70c6ff; color:black; padding:2px;">'''theswords'''</span>]] 16:19, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
::I've added four more sentences and made it a separate paragraph. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 16:40, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Support''', notability is obvious. [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#947E00">Chaotıċ<span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:30deg;color:indigo">Enby</span></span>]]([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|contribs]]) 16:43, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' upon update per above. Notable PM of a regional power heading to prison is significant. [[User:The Kip|<span style="color:#333f42;">'''The'''</span>]] [[User talk:The Kip|<span style="color:#b4975a;">'''Kip'''</span>]] 17:19, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' The Prime Minister of Pakistan section is orange tagged for NPOV. '''[[Scientia potentia est]]''', <span style="background-color: darkorange">[[User:MonarchOfTerror|<span style="color: yellow">'''Monarch'''</span>]][[User talk:MonarchOfTerror|<span style="color: darkblue">'''OfTerror'''</span>]]</span> 17:39, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' on Notability [[User:Editor 5426387|Editor 5426387]] ([[User talk:Editor 5426387|talk]]) 17:45, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

:'''Support'''. A sham trial, if it can be called one. [[User:BilboBeggins|Kirill C1]] ([[User talk:BilboBeggins|talk]]) 18:28, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
*<s>'''Oppose''' When originally sentenced in August 2023, we couldnt post that due to the same POV tag that still persists on the article. [[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 18:33, 30 January 2024 (UTC)</s>
** '''Support''' as POV is fixed. While we probably should have posted at conviction, this is still a big enough story given the Khan's reign over Pakistan to still post. (Let's not pretend that should Trump be found guilty of any crime that has a prison sentence attached we'd post that too; same would apply to nearly any major/first-world power country.) --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 05:26, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
*'''Fix POV tag, then Support''': The [[Imran Kha|Prime Minister of Pakistan section]] has a POV tag, but after this is fixed, '''support''' due to obvious notability. [[User:2G0o2De0l|2G0o2De0l]] ([[User talk:2G0o2De0l|talk]]) 18:51, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support on notability''' but the article needs improvement. --[[User:MtPenguinMonster|MtPenguinMonster]] ([[User talk:MtPenguinMonster|talk]]) 23:37, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support on notability, but the NPOV dispute has to be solved''' per above. [[User:Blaylockjam10|Blaylockjam10]] ([[User talk:Blaylockjam10|talk]]) 04:16, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
* '''Blurb needs changing''', the "for leaking state secrets" is too definitive. The BBC source for example words it as "a case in which he was charged with leaking state secrets", we should be similarly circumspect. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 05:08, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
*:I don't see why it'd need to be. He was sentenced for a crime of leaking state secrets. Whether it was a legitimate charge or not is something the article should discuss not the blurb. [[User:Traumnovelle|Traumnovelle]] ([[User talk:Traumnovelle|talk]]) 06:21, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
*::Because the blurb is in [[WP:Wikivoice]], and should not imply the individual leaked state secrets if the source we use to support it does not. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 06:30, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
*:::See my comment below. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 07:32, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
*:The blurb says he was sentenced for leaking state secrets, not that he leaked state secrets. That's factual, that's what he was sentenced for, and I don't see much difference between this and the BBC wording. [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#947E00">Chaotıċ<span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:30deg;color:indigo">Enby</span></span>]]([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|contribs]]) 11:36, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' added altblurb due to another sentence being handed down of 14 years. I've left the blurb alone otherwise, as he was indeed sentenced for those crimes, whether he actually committed them or not. The second BBC article says he was jailed "for corruption" in the headline, without qualifying it elsewhere in the headline. Someone sentenced for murder is sentenced "for murder" regardless of whether or not they actually committed murder. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 07:31, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
*:For clarity, the second BBC article was not included in the nomination when I made my comment. Nonetheless, I don't see why less careful wording is being used here than in the last head of state corruption posting regarding the [[Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates/December 2023#(Posted) Former President of Mauritania sentenced to prison|Mauritanian President]], for which the [https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-67622510 BBC article] was even more direct. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 07:56, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
*::Yes, I just added the second BBC article for the second sentence for the altblurb. I stand by the wording, but you can add an Alt2 with your preferred wording. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 07:58, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

* '''Support''' - I often tend to think that topics related to Pakistan are over-published on Wikipedia, but he seems to be a controversial leader of a country who has numerous and volatile geopolitical disputes.
:[[User:Arind8|Arind8]] ([[User talk:Arind8|talk]]) 08:07, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Comment''' another editor has added the Lettergate article and bolded it in both blurbs, unfortunately it's also orange-tagged. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 08:12, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' There doesn't seem to be a material effect as Khan is already in prison.  And these sentences seem these quite political in nature and are easily reversed in Pakistan's unstable polity – see [https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-68005660 Nawaz Sharif and Imran Khan reverse roles].  The main context seems to be the forthcoming election and, per [[WP:SOAP]], we shouldn't be pushing a particular POV ahead of this. [[user:Andrew Davidson|Andrew]]🐉([[user talk:Andrew Davidson|talk]]) 08:40, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
*:Andrew, could you please elaborate on that last part? [[User:Bremps|'''<span style="background:#000000; color:white; padding:2px;">Bremps</span>''']][[User talk:Bremps|'''<span style="color:grey;">...</span>''']] 01:23, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
*:The "material effect" is that instead of 3 years in jail, it's now 14 years (or 24 if the sentences are consecutive). The supposed reversability of the sentences is [[WP:CRYSTAL]], and I don't think it's soapboxing or POV to report his prison sentences (and given that you did not elaborate, I don't know why you think it is, either). [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 06:13, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
*:: Paroles and pardons make the duration of such political imprisonments quite uncertain and so the putative effect of this additional sentencing is [[WP:CRYSTAL]] too.  I looked at the [[Lettergate]] article but it seems quite unclear and very political.  Overall, this seems like the legal hoo-hah around Trump and his time in office.  ITN dismisses that as internal politics and this seems much the same. [[user:Andrew Davidson|Andrew]]🐉([[user talk:Andrew Davidson|talk]]) 09:53, 1 February 2024 (UTC)     
*:::14 years is 14 years, right now that's what stands, regardless of speculation about pardons and things. If Trump is sentenced to jailtime I have no doubt that it will be blurbed and only a small minority would dismiss it on the basis of it being internal politics, but it's not a big deal if I can't change your mind. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 10:07, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
*::::There are appeals in progress, I gather, but it's hard to tell the details from the meagre updates to the articles.  For example, the [[Lettergate]] article which is bolded in the blurb doesn't seem to have <u>any</u> update about this. [[user:Andrew Davidson|Andrew]]🐉([[user talk:Andrew Davidson|talk]]) 11:54, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
*:::::For the record I didn't add or bold the lettergate article, someone changed the blurbs. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 12:09, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
*::::::The [[Lettergate]] article is orange-tagged with multiple issues.  I checked the equivalent [[Toshakhana reference case]] which ITN is headlining too.  The update for that is feeble and the [https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-68138591 source] provided says nothing about that case.  The main article about Khan has pathetic updates too.  There's no quality control here and this is inexcusable when the matter is so controversial and political.  There are numerous red flags here: BLP, an ongoing election, irregular court proceedings, controversial topic sanctions and EPC protection and yet ITN is posting a tendentious headline without adequate context or quality.  Instead of checking the lamentable quality of these articles, we see editors engaging in irrelevant arguments about geography.  Tsk. [[user:Andrew Davidson|Andrew]]🐉([[user talk:Andrew Davidson|talk]]) 10:18, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
*:::::::Neither of those articles were in the original blurb I proposed, so they have nothing to do with me. Lettergate was untagged and recently retagged, Toshakhana wasn't even in the blurb when it was posted as far as I'm aware. I don't see where you see BLP issues or anything tendentious, no POV is being taken: he was indeed convicted, corrupt court or not, and it's news, election or not. Context is found in the bolded article, there isn't enough room to give the background. No one else seems to have any issues and it's already up anyway. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 16:48, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
*::::::::The bland presentation of the current blurb gives the impression that these new sentences were issued in a conventional and respectable legal way. But the coverage indicates that this is not the case.  For example, see this [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/31/imran-khan-pakistan-election-tactics-military analysis], "''...it was made clear that the military would stop at nothing to sideline Khan and destroy his Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) party.  Any pretence of due judicial process being followed was abandoned entirely at both cases where Khan was sentenced this week. Instead of an open courtroom, the trials were conducted inside the jail where Khan is being detained and his lawyers were not allowed to choose or cross-examine any witnesses.''"  Such coverage indicates that these are trumped-up proceedings intended mainly to influence the outcome of the election.  The blurb does not present the matter in a balanced way and so is lacking adequate NPOV. [[user:Andrew Davidson|Andrew]]🐉([[user talk:Andrew Davidson|talk]]) 19:28, 2 February 2024 (UTC) 
*:::::::::When I wrote the blurb I followed the BBC headlines I used for sources. If NPOV indeed means following sources, I don't think I could have done better than rephrasing the BBC headlines for the blurb, which is the equivalent of a headline. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 19:58, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
*:::::::::: Per [[WP:HEADLINES]], "''News headlines—including subheadlines—are not a reliable source. ... Headlines are written to grab readers' attention quickly and briefly; they may be overstated or lack context...''".  Some context that's missing currently is the general election and the related suppression of the popular [[Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf|PTI party]]. [[user:Andrew Davidson|Andrew]]🐉([[user talk:Andrew Davidson|talk]]) 23:31, 2 February 2024 (UTC) 
*'''Support''' Sentencing a former prime minister, who exercised power in his country, is significant no matter if he's already in prison.--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 11:30, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
* '''Support'''. Article meets requirements. [[User:Einsof|Einsof]] ([[User talk:Einsof|talk]]) 12:40, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
* '''Support''' because of the ongoing situation in the Middle East. [[User:CollationoftheWilling|CollationoftheWilling]] ([[User talk:CollationoftheWilling|talk]]) 12:58, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
:<small>Just FYI Pakistan is not in the Middle East and this situation is unrelated to Middle East or Iranian ongoing situations [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 14:18, 31 January 2024 (UTC)</small>
::Pakistan is variously described as being in the Middle East. Several maps including by respectable outlets such as ABC have put Pakistan in the Middle East. The "situation" in the Middle East refers to turmoil/conflict/controversy that surrounds the Middle East currently. [[User:CollationoftheWilling|CollationoftheWilling]] ([[User talk:CollationoftheWilling|talk]]) 16:17, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
:::It's like if a Canadian prime minister was jailed and someone said "Support because of the [[Standoff at Eagle Pass|ongoing situation in North America]]". [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#947E00">Chaotıċ<span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:30deg;color:indigo">Enby</span></span>]]([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|contribs]]) 18:08, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
::::There are two issues here.
::::Pakistan can be variously described as being in the Middle East, just how Turkey is described as being in the Middle East. In many perspectives of South Asian culture it's impossible to consider them South Asian, but I'll leave this topic considering it's non-negotiable that they are ''variously considered'' to be Middle Eastern, and I will concede that they are also ''variously considered'' to be South Asian.
::::https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/how-ten-middle-east-conflicts-are-converging-into-one-big-war
::::https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/20/seemingly-disparate-middle-east-conflicts-show-collective-erosion-of-self-restraint
::::The second point is that what seems to be numerous unrelated conflicts are being perceived to merge into one big conflict. I am one of those perceivers. You're focusing on the Eagle Pass situation as a stand alone conflict, where I am also using the wider US election and asylum crisis in Canada - US border to consider the crisis to be "North American". (though the comparison is silly because the Middle East is very unique geopolitics and comparisons probably won't be found). [[User:CollationoftheWilling|CollationoftheWilling]] ([[User talk:CollationoftheWilling|talk]]) 05:21, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
:::::Is there any definition of South Asia that doesn't include Pakistan? I've never encountered one. But it doesn't matter for this nomination anyway. The point is that regardless of where Pakistan is located, the significance of Imran Khan being jailed does not come from "ongoing situations" involving Iran, Israel and Palestine, Yemen, or Syria. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 05:35, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
::::Furthermore there are citaions that can be used for the writing that Pakistan is part of the Middle East conflict:
::::"Violence has erupted across the Mideast, with Iran striking targets in Iraq, Pakistan and Syria, and the U.S. carrying out airstrikes targeting Yemen’s Iran-backed Houthi rebels over their attacks on shipping in the Red Sea. Some observers fear a new round of strikes targeting Iran could tip the region into a wider war."
::::https://apnews.com/article/yemen-houthi-us-navy-mideast-tensions-israel-hamas-red-sea-6d5662d09aad8aed0875025b75928ef5 [[User:CollationoftheWilling|CollationoftheWilling]] ([[User talk:CollationoftheWilling|talk]]) 05:43, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
:::The "Middle East" is a confusing term anyways; some say it's just the Arabian Peninsula, others have it as far reaching as Morocco and India. Personally I use the 'Islamic World' [[User:PrecariousWorlds|PrecariousWorlds]] ([[User talk:PrecariousWorlds|talk]]) 19:45, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Support''' POV tags gone, major news. [[User:Bremps|'''<span style="background:#000000; color:white; padding:2px;">Bremps</span>''']][[User talk:Bremps|'''<span style="color:grey;">...</span>''']] 01:22, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support altblurb''' per above and the other prison sentence should be mentioned too. [[User:Brandmeister|Brandmeister]]<sup>[[User talk:Brandmeister|talk]]</sup>   09:41, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support'''.  If Donald Trump is convicted and jailed, that will absolutely be posted, and this is no different. (they each claim their cases are politically motivated, too). [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 09:43, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
:*'''Support Alternative blurb''' the arrest of a recent head of state is major news
:[[User:Setarip|Setarip]] ([[User talk:Setarip|talk]]) 13:39, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' arrest of a former head of state is ITN worthy, and the bolded article looks to be good enough to post. [[User:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b>]][[User talk:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#000000">2302</b>]] ([[User talk:Joseph2302|talk]]) 16:35, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' There's consensus to post and I have put the altblurb onto the main page. '''[[User:Schwede66|<span style="color: #000000;">Schwede</span>]][[User talk:Schwede66|<span style="color: #FF4500;">66</span>]]''' 18:13, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
*'''Post-posting comment''' He and his wife have now been sentenced to 7 years in prison for illegal marriage ([https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-68192196 BBC]). --[[Special:Contributions/84.252.98.97|84.252.98.97]] ([[User talk:84.252.98.97|talk]]) 15:53, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
*:He has been charged with numerous offences since he was ousted from power and the number has continued to escalate so that it's now stated by recent sources as a remarkable 150.  It seems apparent that an order has gone out to throw the book at him and so there's presumably a department of the military government now dedicated to dreaming up new charges.  Are we going to keep reporting these? [[user:Andrew Davidson|Andrew]]🐉([[user talk:Andrew Davidson|talk]]) 20:26, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

====(Posted) ECOWAS ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = ECOWAS
| image         = ECOWAS members.svg <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = Burkina Faso, Mali and Niger announce that they are leaving the '''[[ECOWAS|Economic Community of West African States (ECOWAS)]]'''.
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb      = Amidst the [[Nigerien crisis (2023–present)|Nigerien crisis]], Burkina Faso, Mali and Niger announce their withdrawal from the '''[[ECOWAS|Economic Community of West African States (ECOWAS)]]'''.
| altblurb2     = Amidst the [[Nigerien crisis (2023–present)|Nigerien crisis]], Burkina Faso, Mali and Niger announce their intention to withdraw from the '''[[ECOWAS|Economic Community of West African States (ECOWAS)]]'''.
| sources       = [https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/1/28/niger-mali-burkina-faso-announce-withdrawal-from-ecowas Al Jazeera]
| updated       = yes <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Andrew Davidson <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator       = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters      = TheUnabashedUkrainian, Vanilla Wizard, Kleiner Stampfi, Human Transistor, Heatrave
}} There's some uncertainty about the timing as ECOWAS requires time for an orderly withdrawal but those exiting say that it's immediate [[user:Andrew Davidson|Andrew]]🐉([[user talk:Andrew Davidson|talk]]) 08:53, 30 January 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->
:'''Support''', major development in the context of a regional cold war (cf. [[Nigerien crisis (2023–present)]] and [[Alliance of Sahel States]]) [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#947E00">Chaotıċ<span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:30deg;color:indigo">Enby</span></span>]]([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|contribs]]) 10:14, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Weak support''' - Fairly notable, given the context of the withdrawal. There is an orange-tagged section in the article, though, so perhaps we should work on that first before posting. [[User:Bucket of sulfuric acid|Bucket of sulfuric acid]] (he/him &#124; [[User talk:Bucket of sulfuric acid|talk]]) 10:40, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - suggest providing context for ITN readers about this; most will not be aware of the implication of this. --[[User:Rockstone35|<span style="color:#DF0101"><b>Rockstone</b></span>]][[User talk:Rockstone35|<span style="color:0000ff;font-size:15px"><sup><small><b>Send me a message!</b></small></sup></span>]] 10:46, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
*:Good idea indeed! [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#947E00">Chaotıċ<span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:30deg;color:indigo">Enby</span></span>]]([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|contribs]]) 10:50, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

:'''Support''' article updated, major international event with future consequences for Africa. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 10:49, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
::(What an odd map.) [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 16:54, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
:::Yeah, Guinea hasn't officially withdrawn from ECOWAS, it was only suspended like the other states a few months back for supporting Niger.  [[User:PrecariousWorlds|PrecariousWorlds]] ([[User talk:PrecariousWorlds|talk]]) 18:22, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
::::I was referring to the assortment of European and Asian countries scattered in the north. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 18:29, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
:::::Oh yeah that too lol. Northern Europe has sunk into the ocean, RIP [[User:PrecariousWorlds|PrecariousWorlds]] ([[User talk:PrecariousWorlds|talk]]) 19:27, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
:::::Apparently the old versions were cropped around Africa, but someone in 2021 uploaded an uncropped version and here we are. [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#947E00">Chaotıċ<span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:30deg;color:indigo">Enby</span></span>]]([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|contribs]]) 21:56, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
::::::CMD changed it back, looks much better now. It's strange how it ever looked like that, with the uncropped version having the full maps of the countries partially visible in the cropped version while missing entire countries that would then also be visible. I wonder if it has something to do with the way these maps are made, which is totally unknown to me. Anyway, the current version is much better. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 07:19, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' as per above, this is significant in the context of the [[2023 Nigerien crisis]] and the [[Alliance of Sahel States]]. [[User:2G0o2De0l|2G0o2De0l]] ([[User talk:2G0o2De0l|talk]]) 13:44, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

:'''Strong Oppose''' - This really is not significant. These states had already ''de facto'' left ECOWAS a loong time ago. This is really just a formality, it has no real effect on anything. [[User:PrecariousWorlds|PrecariousWorlds]] ([[User talk:PrecariousWorlds|talk]]) 13:54, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
::The coups and resulting suspension of these members was notable and we blurbed it, this is irrelevant. I also doubt the ECOWAS members will accept this as they still only recognise the previous government as the legal representative of Niger. [[User:PrecariousWorlds|PrecariousWorlds]] ([[User talk:PrecariousWorlds|talk]]) 14:00, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
:::It is bewildering that you consider this international event - one that actually affects the political status of several major African nations - insignificant compared to the Texas standoff. But then again, I suppose there always have been concerns about systemic bias on ITN/C. <sub>Duly signed,</sub> '''[[User:WaltCip|⛵ <span style="color: white; font-family: Verdana; font-weight: bold; background: linear-gradient(white, blue, navy, black)">WaltClipper</span> ]]'''-''<small>([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]])</small>'' 16:06, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
::::The Texas standoff is a serious constitutional crisis in the most powerful democracy in the world that has garnered major global attention. This is nothing more than an irrelevant change in status that had already de facto been enacted months before (and we also blurbed it already). How does this actually affect the political status of West Africa, apart from only confirming legally something that had already been true in the real-world for ages? [[User:PrecariousWorlds|PrecariousWorlds]] ([[User talk:PrecariousWorlds|talk]]) 18:15, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Their membership in the [[African Union]], which is the most important supranational union in Africa, was suspended shortly following the coups. There's really no need to post their withdrawal from this regional union.--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 15:11, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
*:To be fair, the AU is virtually irrelevant in African politics and little more a regional forum, whetheras ECOWAS is an almost EU-like political union. Sort of like how the [[Council of Europe]] is to the [[European Union]].  [[User:PrecariousWorlds|PrecariousWorlds]] ([[User talk:PrecariousWorlds|talk]]) 18:21, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
*::I don’t get the same impression from [[Template:Politics of the African Union|this template]]. ECOWAS is part of AEC, which in turn is an organisation of the African Union.--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 18:54, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
*:::In reality ECOWAS has nothing to do with the AU (the AEC is essentially a vague umbrella organisation to promote free trade rather than an organised economic institution). ECOWAS on the otherhand has a passport union, Schengen-like free movement, has organised multiple joint military operations, and continues to integrate further. [[User:PrecariousWorlds|PrecariousWorlds]] ([[User talk:PrecariousWorlds|talk]]) 19:24, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

*'''Support''' per Chaotic Enby, albeit the article needs some work - large portions of the “Structure” and “Economic integration” sections appear to be missing refs. [[User:The Kip|<span style="color:#333f42;">'''The'''</span>]] [[User talk:The Kip|<span style="color:#b4975a;">'''Kip'''</span>]] 17:20, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per PrecariousWorlds, do not see much in the way of consequences either. '''[[User talk:Nableezy|<span style="color:#C11B17;font-size:90%">nableezy</span>]]''' -  17:44, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' fairly notable, major international event. [[User:Editor 5426387|Editor 5426387]] ([[User talk:Editor 5426387|talk]]) 17:46, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. Seems like another noteworthy flashpoint in the Nigerian conflict. Might just go down as a footnote, but this is another instance of the [[Alliance of Sahel States]] distancing themselves from the rest of West Africa. [[User:DarkSide830|DarkSide830]] ([[User talk:DarkSide830|talk]]) 17:50, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Weak Support''' - I think this is notable enough for ITN, but I agree with Rockstone that a bit more context in the burb would be helpful  <small> ✈</small> [[User:mike_gigs|mike_gigs]] <sup>[[User talk:mike_gigs|talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/mike_gigs|contribs]]</sub> 18:18, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
*:I would've liked to mention the proposed ECOWAS military intervention as context, but connecting the two might be a bit close to OR. [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#947E00">Chaotıċ<span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:30deg;color:indigo">Enby</span></span>]]([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|contribs]]) 21:59, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

:'''Support''' due to restarting the nigerien crisis [[User:Lukt64|Lukt64]] ([[User talk:Lukt64|talk]]) 20:47, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
::Citation needed [[User:PrecariousWorlds|PrecariousWorlds]] ([[User talk:PrecariousWorlds|talk]]) 21:33, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

:'''Support on notability''' but the map definitely needs to be improved --[[User:MtPenguinMonster|MtPenguinMonster]] ([[User talk:MtPenguinMonster|talk]]) 23:35, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. If one country left the EU we would post that; three countries leaving ECOWAS should also warrant posting. [[User:BilledMammal|BilledMammal]] ([[User talk:BilledMammal|talk]]) 01:00, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
* '''Support on notability''', this is a major event. The opposition above relating to the AU is incorrect, the AU is built upon these regional pillars rather than the other way around. ECOWAS is as noted above an organization that actually does things, one of the more effective regional organizations on the continent (in the world?). That said, the blurb should be clear it is reporting on the ''announcement'', rather than implying it has actually happened. Such things are often complicated by politics and time (see [[Pacific Islands Forum#Micronesian withdrawal]] for an example), so we should be precise. Not commenting on quality, but I am going to fix that map. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 03:13, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
*:Yes but it has already de facto happened. These countries have had nothing to do with ECOWAS for months. This changes literally nothing [[User:PrecariousWorlds|PrecariousWorlds]] ([[User talk:PrecariousWorlds|talk]]) 07:31, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support on notability, oppose on quality''' This is notable enough for ITN, but the article’s quality needs a bit of improvement. A better map would also be nice. [[User:Blaylockjam10|Blaylockjam10]] ([[User talk:Blaylockjam10|talk]]) 04:26, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

:* '''Comment''' - I think there is a regional notability in terms of Africa, the Middle East (the Arab world), and the link with France and the EU through linguistic, economic and political ties. It's not really a major topic in the Anglosphere however.
:[[User:CollationoftheWilling|CollationoftheWilling]] ([[User talk:CollationoftheWilling|talk]]) 16:19, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support in principle''' but '''oppose language of original blurb & alt1.''' In effect, what these countries did is announce their intention to withdraw, but they did not leave, despite claiming to be "withdrawing without delay." The equivalent would be if the UK announced in 2016 after the Brexit vote that they are "leaving the EU without delay" – it isn't exactly that simple, and ECOWAS gave a response clarifying that they are still members at this time. Provided an '''alt2'''. <b style="font-family:Trebuchet MS">[[User:Vanilla Wizard|<b style="background-color:#07d;color:#FFF">&nbsp;Vanilla </b>]][[User Talk:Vanilla Wizard|<b style="background-color:#749;color:#FFF">&nbsp;Wizard </b>]]</b> [[Special:Contribs/Vanilla Wizard|💙]] 21:55, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
:* ECOWAS had previously suspended the membership of these countries and can't have it both ways.  Also, it doesn't recognise the governments of those countries and so has another bind unless it sponsors governments-in-exile or attempts to occupy the countries. [[user:Andrew Davidson|Andrew]]🐉([[user talk:Andrew Davidson|talk]]) 22:53, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
:** This isn't accurate. Acknowledging the legal difference between suspended membership and non-membership is not the same as trying to have it both ways. To give another analogy, let's imagine that the EU suspended Hungary and Orbán proceeded to declare "We are withdrawing effective immediately." It just doesn't work like that. If the EU were to respond with a statement that acknowledges they continue to be a member, this wouldn't be them "trying to have it both ways." The original blurb is simply factually incorrect and contradicts what reliable sources say. [https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-68122947 From the BBC]: {{tq|"According to the [ECOWAS] treaty, member states wishing to withdraw must give written notice a year in advance, and continue to abide by its provisions during that year."}} <b style="font-family:Trebuchet MS">[[User:Vanilla Wizard|<b style="background-color:#07d;color:#FFF">&nbsp;Vanilla </b>]][[User Talk:Vanilla Wizard|<b style="background-color:#749;color:#FFF">&nbsp;Wizard </b>]]</b> [[Special:Contribs/Vanilla Wizard|💙]] 23:34, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
:**:Regardless of these semantics, I still haven't found any good argument as to what makes all of this legal jargon notable. What use does this story have? There's been absolutely no real-world effect of this, as these states have not been participating in the organisation for months. We have also blurbed the initial suspension of these members already. What's the point? How is a minor change in legal status that has no relevance to anything notable? [[User:PrecariousWorlds|PrecariousWorlds]] ([[User talk:PrecariousWorlds|talk]]) 12:32, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
:**::There are significant ramifications, as explained by [https://www.reuters.com/world/africa/west-africas-brexit-moment-spells-trouble-region-2024-01-30/ Reuters].  [[user:Andrew Davidson|Andrew]]🐉([[user talk:Andrew Davidson|talk]]) 13:46, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
:**:::Notable excerpt from said article: {{tq|But, if carried through, it is set to disrupt the region's trade and services flows, worth nearly $150 billion a year. ... It also raises questions over millions of nationals from the three poor and landlocked nations who settled in neighbouring states as the bloc allows visa-free travel and right to work.}} I see this as likely to spiral into a economic (and thus humanitarian) crisis with long-lasting ramifications. <sub>Duly signed,</sub> '''[[User:WaltCip|⛵ <span style="color: white; font-family: Verdana; font-weight: bold; background: linear-gradient(white, blue, navy, black)">WaltClipper</span> ]]'''-''<small>([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]])</small>'' 14:24, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
:**::::[[WP:CRYSTAL]]. If this has major ramifications for trade and a famine ends up happening, then we post. As of yet, nothing has happened. If the story continues to develop into a crisis, we'll post that crisis. [[User:PrecariousWorlds|PrecariousWorlds]] ([[User talk:PrecariousWorlds|talk]]) 17:20, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
:**:::::{{tqb|text=Predictions, speculation, forecasts and theories stated by reliable, expert sources or recognized entities in a field may be included|source=[[WP:CRYSTAL]]}} [[User:Aaron Liu|<span style="color:#0645ad">Aaron Liu</span>]] ([[User talk:Aaron Liu#top|talk]]) 03:07, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
:**::::::We still don't post events that haven't happened yet [[User:PrecariousWorlds|PrecariousWorlds]] ([[User talk:PrecariousWorlds|talk]]) 09:23, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
:**:::::::We posted when Russia recognized two states because it could lead to war. [[User:Aaron Liu|<span style="color:#0645ad">Aaron Liu</span>]] ([[User talk:Aaron Liu#top|talk]]) 13:01, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
:**::::::::Way different situation as there the change had massive real world consequences immediately [[User:PrecariousWorlds|PrecariousWorlds]] ([[User talk:PrecariousWorlds|talk]]) 10:40, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
:**:::::::Nobody is arguing posting events that haven't happened yet. The argument is does ''this event alone'' (three nations leaving the ECOWAS) have major implications for the stability of the continent, and the answer from reliable sources is yes. This is different from trying to post an ITN item of some politician ''proposing'' a law to ban cookies, because the law isn't in effect yet. This event is far further along on the [[Friedrich Glasl's model of conflict escalation]]. <sub>Duly signed,</sub> '''[[User:WaltCip|⛵ <span style="color: white; font-family: Verdana; font-weight: bold; background: linear-gradient(white, blue, navy, black)">WaltClipper</span> ]]'''-''<small>([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]])</small>'' 14:45, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
:**::::::::I can understand the consequence this might have, but as I said, we have already posted the suspension of these members from ECOWAS, and little has changed to the stability of the region in the present. And also, just like the law proposing to ban cookies not being in effect yet, so too is this announcement of withdrawal not in effect yet. 
:**::::::::Even by article quality standards, there are only two lines mentioning the announcement on the article. It's getting barely any media attention, most of the actual fallout from this decision happened months ago. It would be ridiculous to blurb this and not, say, the current [[Attacks on U.S. bases in Iraq, Jordan, and Syria (2023–present)|rapidly escalating situation in Iran]].  [[User:PrecariousWorlds|PrecariousWorlds]] ([[User talk:PrecariousWorlds|talk]]) 10:50, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
:{{@ITNA}} someone want to evaluate this? Seems to have a solid consensus to post, and quality issues with the article have been addressed. [[User:The Kip|<span style="color:#333f42;">'''The'''</span>]] [[User talk:The Kip|<span style="color:#b4975a;">'''Kip'''</span>]] 20:02, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posting''' ALT0, since the paragraph update in the article makes no mention of the Nigerian crisis. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 20:08, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
== January 29 ==
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====(Posted) RD: R. Champakalakshmi ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = R. Champakalakshmi
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/former-colleagues-students-mourn-the-death-of-historian-r-champakalakshmi/article67792608.ece The Hindu]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Ktin <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = Ktin, Ravichandar84
}} Indian historian. Article is a basic start-class biography [[User:Ktin|Ktin]] ([[User talk:Ktin|talk]]) 09:48, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
*'''Weak support''' Borderline in terms of depth but meets minimum standards and is fully referenced. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082529">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T•</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">C</span>]]</sup> 04:11, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
:* {{re|Spencer}} expanded further, please have a look. I believe it meets hygiene expectations for homepage / RD. [[User:Ktin|Ktin]] ([[User talk:Ktin|talk]]) 00:28, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
{{@ITNA}} Article looks to be fully-cited and isn't far from rolling off. [[User:The Kip|<span style="color:#333f42;">'''The'''</span>]] [[User talk:The Kip|<span style="color:#b4975a;">'''Kip'''</span>]] 01:56, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 10:44, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

==== (Posted) RD: Brian Griffin ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Brian Griffin (photographer) <!-- Do not wikilink -->
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.rollingstone.co.uk/music/news/acclaimed-music-photographer-brian-griffin-has-died-depeche-mode-age-75-36390/ Rolling Stone UK] <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Natg 19 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = ExRat, Joe Vitale 5, Mikeyp3 <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}} Well sourced. <!-- Additional comments go before here --> [[User:Natg 19|Natg 19]] ([[User talk:Natg 19|talk]]) 00:08, 31 January 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->
*'''Support''' - Very good sourcing and of decent length. Should be good to go. (Plus, I like his [[Brian Griffin|name]], but that's irrelevant.) - [[User:Bucket of sulfuric acid|Bucket of sulfuric acid]] (he/him &#124; [[User talk:Bucket of sulfuric acid|talk]]) 08:22, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
*:Regarding that name, I freaked out when I initially saw it on RD because I thought it was [[Life of Brian (Family Guy)|November 2013]] all over again. [[Special:Contributions/92.18.106.188|92.18.106.188]] ([[User talk:92.18.106.188|talk]]) 00:11, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' &ndash; Article looks very nice. ~[[User:Maplestrip|<span style="color:#005080">Maplestrip/Mable</span>]] ([[User talk:Maplestrip|<span style="color:#700090">chat</span>]]) 08:53, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 00:05, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

====(Posted) RD: N. Scott Momaday ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = N. Scott Momaday
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.washingtonpost.com/obituaries/2024/01/29/scott-momaday-native-american-pulitzer-dead/ Washington Post], [https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/29/books/n-scott-momaday-dead.html NY Times]
| updated       = yes
| nominator     = Thriley
| updaters      = Thriley , Jkaharper 
}} Death announced today. [[User:Thriley|Thriley]] ([[User talk:Thriley|talk]]) 00:21, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
The first Native American to win Pulitzer Prize. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 23:11, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

*'''Oppose''' Multiple CN tags, and most of the literary career and bibliography sections are unreferened. [[User:The Kip|<span style="color:#333f42;">'''The'''</span>]] [[User talk:The Kip|<span style="color:#b4975a;">'''Kip'''</span>]] 02:37, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
* There are two {cn} tags remaining, but the Literary career section is still orange-tagged for inadequate sourcing, and the Bibliography section is a string of bullet-points that are largely unsourced. Please add more REFs. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 23:11, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - all issues mentioned above have been cleaned up except for the two {cn} tags. '''Ready?''' [[User:Trauma Novitiate|Trauma Novitiate]] ([[User talk:Trauma Novitiate|talk]]) 18:56, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' {{@ITNA}} There aren’t any cn tags remaining & there are enough details. [[User:Blaylockjam10|Blaylockjam10]] ([[User talk:Blaylockjam10|talk]]) 04:17, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 10:42, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

==== (Closed) Kamila Valieva ruling ====
{{atop|Consensus will not develop to post. [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 00:45, 30 January 2024 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Kamila Valieva <!-- Do not wikilink -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = The [[Court of Arbitration for Sport]] rules that Russian figure skater '''[[Kamila Valieva]]''' violated anti-doping rules, banning her from competition until December 2025 and disqualifying her from competitions since December 2021, including at the [[Figure skating at the 2022 Winter Olympics|2022 Winter Olympics]].<!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [https://www.npr.org/2024/01/29/1227529886/kamila-valieva-russian-figure-skater-2022-beijing-olympics-doping NPR] <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Natg 19 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator       = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}} <!-- Additional comments go before here --> Big international news in the world of figure skating. Probably means that the USA wins the team competition now.  [[User:Natg 19|Natg 19]] ([[User talk:Natg 19|talk]]) 19:58, 29 January 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->
*'''Oppose''' good faith nom. A fairly pedestrian sports scandal. We don't really do that on ITN. -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 20:48, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' I don’t think we should post individual doping cases. And no-one really cares if the USA win the team event. It’s completely irrelevant who wins when someone is disqualified.--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 20:58, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' I would think that the significance of this would be due to the gold medal being given to the US. However, simply changing the gold medal in only one of the Olympic events doesn't seem significant enough for ITN, as we only post the closing ceremony of the Olympics, not the results of each of the games. [[User:2G0o2De0l|2G0o2De0l]] ([[User talk:2G0o2De0l|talk]]) 21:05, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Maybe this would’ve been important enough to post if the ruling had been made during the 2022 Olympics, but it doesn’t seem important enough now. [[User:Blaylockjam10|Blaylockjam10]] ([[User talk:Blaylockjam10|talk]]) 22:18, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Needs work''' This seems to be all over the news but the article is hung up by a dispute, is locked down and also tagged as a contentious topic. [[user:Andrew Davidson|Andrew]]🐉([[user talk:Andrew Davidson|talk]]) 00:24, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Regardless of the timing, I do not think this rises to a pressing level of importance on its own. [[User:Kafoxe|Kafoxe]] ([[User talk:Kafoxe|talk]]) 00:25, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
{{abot}}

==== (Posted) RD: Jimy Williams ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Jimy Williams
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = https://www.foxsports.com/stories/mlb/former-blue-jays-red-sox-and-astros-manager-jimy-williams-dies-at-age-80
| updated       = yes
| nominator     = Flibirigit
| updaters      = Flibirigit, Muboshgu
}} Former Major League Baseball manager. Will work on this within the next few days.  [[User:Flibirigit|Flibirigit]] ([[User talk:Flibirigit|talk]]) 18:38, 29 January 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->
:I will help too. RIP. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 18:45, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - article looks updated now  <small> ✈</small> [[User:mike_gigs|mike_gigs]] <sup>[[User talk:mike_gigs|talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/mike_gigs|contribs]]</sub> 18:16, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
:* Marked as ready. [[User:Flibirigit|Flibirigit]] ([[User talk:Flibirigit|talk]]) 21:40, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
* '''Posted'''. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 23:06, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

==== (Posted) RD: Arne Hegerfors ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Arne Hegerfors
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.svt.se/sport/artikel/arne-hegerfors-dod], [https://www.aftonbladet.se/sportbladet/a/RGLvKr/arne-hegerfors-ar-dod]
| updated       = Yes
| nominator     = BabbaQ <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = BabbaQ<!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}} 15:16, 29 January 2024 (UTC) 
*'''Support''' - article isn't huge but it looks well sourced enough  <small> ✈</small> [[User:mike_gigs|mike_gigs]] <sup>[[User talk:mike_gigs|talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/mike_gigs|contribs]]</sub> 17:28, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 23:27, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

==== (Closed) Icon of the Seas====
{{atop|status={{NAC}} |reason=Consensus is against posting. [[User:Natg 19|Natg 19]] ([[User talk:Natg 19|talk]]) 22:17, 29 January 2024 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Icon of the Seas
| image         = Icon of the Seas.jpg
| blurb         = The world's largest cruise ship, '''[[Icon of the Seas]]''' ''(pictured)'', starts its maiden voyage.
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-68118822 BBC], [https://edition.cnn.com/travel/icon-of-the-seas-largest-cruise-ship/index.html CNN], [https://www.dw.com/en/worlds-largest-cruise-ship-sets-sail/a-68104785 DW], [https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/23/travel/icon-of-the-seas-cruise-ship-sustainability.html NYT]
| updated       = yes <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Andrew Davidson <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator       = SuperHondamaze <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters      = GA-RT-22, Gdeblois19 <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}} It's getting coverage because of its size and its use of [[LNG]] as fuel. [[user:Andrew Davidson|Andrew]]🐉([[user talk:Andrew Davidson|talk]]) 09:42, 29 January 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->
*'''Support''' &ndash; Reasonable encyclopedic feature. Not the most impressive article, but almost everything is cited. Looks good. ~[[User:Maplestrip|<span style="color:#005080">Maplestrip/Mable</span>]] ([[User talk:Maplestrip|<span style="color:#700090">chat</span>]]) 10:51, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Lots of rich people go on holiday on big boat. [[User:Nigej|Nigej]] ([[User talk:Nigej|talk]]) 11:16, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
*:I know this is probably simply a matter of perspective, but rich people own their own yachts, whereas the middle class is relegated to cruise ships. [[User:Kcmastrpc|Kcmastrpc]] ([[User talk:Kcmastrpc|talk]]) 14:59, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
*::As well as that, "rich people on boat" doesn't disqualify an item. [[User:PrecariousWorlds|PrecariousWorlds]] ([[User talk:PrecariousWorlds|talk]]) 15:12, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
*:What kind of argument is this? Do we we have to consider people social class before add a news? 😅 [[User:3000MAX|3000MAX]] ([[User talk:3000MAX|talk]]) 15:26, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
*::Half-joking of course, but is this really any different to a lovely new luxury hotel opening somewhere. Not really, it just that this one floats and moves around. [[User:Nigej|Nigej]] ([[User talk:Nigej|talk]]) 15:44, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
*:::Fair enough [[User:PrecariousWorlds|PrecariousWorlds]] ([[User talk:PrecariousWorlds|talk]]) 16:05, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
*::I guess not. It's probably just a personal feeling of disgust that the predictable onward march of capitalism should be on a par with thousands dying in wars/ natural disasters. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 15:45, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
*:::...its a cruise ship [[User:PrecariousWorlds|PrecariousWorlds]] ([[User talk:PrecariousWorlds|talk]]) 16:06, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
*::::I think we can probably agree on that. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 16:24, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
*::::{{cn}} [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#947E00">Chaotıċ<span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:30deg;color:indigo">Enby</span></span>]]([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|contribs]]) 16:59, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' They keep making these bigger and bigger, this is not a sustainable record. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 12:55, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
*:Yup, it seems to be new record every 2 to 6 years. At a 12,000 tons increase, this is the largest jump a long while (ever?). Length-wise the increase is less impressive. Maybe it would make more sense to only feature these sorts of new records if they are particularly well-written? Not that I would mind a single feature every three years. ~[[User:Maplestrip|<span style="color:#005080">Maplestrip/Mable</span>]] ([[User talk:Maplestrip|<span style="color:#700090">chat</span>]]) 13:02, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
*:Concur, that[[WP:SNOW|'s no]] sustainable record. [[User:Bremps|'''<span style="background:#000000; color:white; padding:2px;">Bremps</span>''']][[User talk:Bremps|'''<span style="color:grey;">...</span>''']] 13:23, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' as per Maplestrip, this is a constantly being broken record. [[User:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b>]][[User talk:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#000000">2302</b>]] ([[User talk:Joseph2302|talk]]) 13:21, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''': as above, rich people on a luxury boat. Hasn't even got [[Jane McDonald]] (?) Might support if it sank. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 14:31, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' We didn't post a blurb when [[Wonder of the Seas]] became the largest cruise ship in 2022. I don't see any reason why this should be different. [[User:2G0o2De0l|2G0o2De0l]] ([[User talk:2G0o2De0l|talk]]) 14:39, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
*:I believe it wasn't nominated, was it? I cannot find it in the archives. If it was opposed for "significance" back then too then that would be considered precedent of a sort, though every ship and article is different. ~[[User:Maplestrip|<span style="color:#005080">Maplestrip/Mable</span>]] ([[User talk:Maplestrip|<span style="color:#700090">chat</span>]]) 15:22, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
*::As far as I can tell, it wasn't nominated. [[User:2G0o2De0l|2G0o2De0l]] ([[User talk:2G0o2De0l|talk]]) 15:47, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
*: ''Wonder'' was the last of a class of five and wan't significantly bigger or different from her predecessors. ''Icon'' is a new class and significantly bigger. [[User:GA-RT-22|GA-RT-22]] ([[User talk:GA-RT-22|talk]]) 19:47, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Weak Support''' - Per @[[User:Maplestrip|Maplestrip]]. Interesting encyclopedic entry. [[User:PrecariousWorlds|PrecariousWorlds]] ([[User talk:PrecariousWorlds|talk]]) 15:09, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
* '''Oppose''' indistinguishable from advertising. [[Special:Contributions/217.180.228.138|217.180.228.138]] ([[User talk:217.180.228.138|talk]]) 15:30, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
* '''Support''' – I'm not in favor of giant cruise ships either but I do think it's interesting news and it does have some innovative technology. News doesn't have to be good to still be news. Because of this ship we're finally starting to get some debate on the merits of having these monstrosities roaming the oceans. I didn't know, for example, that Venice, Amsterdam, and Barcelona are closing cruise terminals and starting to restrict how many visitors can debark at a time. Others have argued that bigger ships seem to arrive every couple of years. It seems that way because the recent expansion of the Panama Canal made these bigger ships possible. Now that ''Icon of the Seas'' has gone into service they can't get much bigger, so we will see the pace of these new arrivals start to slow down. It's possible that ''Icon'' will be the biggest cruise ship for a while. [[User:GA-RT-22|GA-RT-22]] ([[User talk:GA-RT-22|talk]]) 15:38, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
*<s>Weak</s> '''Oppose''' per Masem. Only the largest cruise ship as of 2024. Reading [[List of largest cruise ships]] it looks like every couple of years [[Royal Caribbean International]] debuts a bigger and bigger ship. Before [[Icon of the Seas]], the #1 largest was [[Wonder of the Seas]], also a Royal Caribbean ship, which unveiled in 2022. Before Wonder of the Seas, the #1 largest was [[Symphony of the Seas]], also a Royal Caribbean ship, which unveiled in 2018. And before Symphony of the Seas, the #1 largest was [[Harmony of the Seas]], also a Royal Caribbean ship, which unveiled in 2016. Not to say that posting something every few years is too frequent, just that this particular record doesn't seem to be too notable. Always having another "brand new largest cruise ship in the world" seems to be the gimmick of one particular company. <b style="font-family:Trebuchet MS">[[User:Vanilla Wizard|<b style="background-color:#07d;color:#FFF">&nbsp;Vanilla </b>]][[User Talk:Vanilla Wizard|<b style="background-color:#749;color:#FFF">&nbsp;Wizard </b>]]</b> [[Special:Contribs/Vanilla Wizard|💙]] 15:41, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
*:Prior to the Icon of the Seas the preceding five largest cruise ships were [[Oasis-class cruise ship]]s which debuted in 2009 with the [[Oasis of the Seas]]. Icon of the Seas is the first [[Icon-class cruise ship]]. Next Icon class ship [[Star of the Seas]] is coming in 2025 and the third (as yet unnamed) in 2026. Probably the last Oasis class ship [[Utopia of the Seas]] debuts later this year. When looking at from the new largest cruise ship class point of view, it has been 15 years between Oasis and Icon classes and that is the reason for excitement and news coverage. [[User:IlkkaP|IlkkaP]] ([[User talk:IlkkaP|talk]]) 16:23, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
::*This added context is appreciated, but the knowledge that this record will be beaten ''very'' soon by another ship that's already under construction from the same company (as Chaotic Enby outlines below and you reiterated here) has brought me from a "Weak oppose" to simply an "Oppose" as this puts to bed the idea that this ship's record might last a while as one editor [[WP:CRYSTAL|speculated]] in the !vote above mine. <b style="font-family:Trebuchet MS">[[User:Vanilla Wizard|<b style="background-color:#07d;color:#FFF">&nbsp;Vanilla </b>]][[User Talk:Vanilla Wizard|<b style="background-color:#749;color:#FFF">&nbsp;Wizard </b>]]</b> [[Special:Contribs/Vanilla Wizard|💙]] 20:31, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Per Vanilla Wizard, mostly a commercial gimmick. Adding that ''[[Star of the Seas]]'' from the same class is expected to beat this record (at least in [[gross tonnage]]) when entering service next year. [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#947E00">Chaotıċ<span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:30deg;color:indigo">Enby</span></span>]]([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|contribs]]) 15:50, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per above, this record is continuously broken every few years. More of a marketing gimmick at this point. [[User:The Kip|<span style="color:#333f42;">'''The'''</span>]] [[User talk:The Kip|<span style="color:#b4975a;">'''Kip'''</span>]] 16:52, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' - Not of encyclopedic interest. <sub>Duly signed,</sub> '''[[User:WaltCip|⛵ <span style="color: white; font-family: Verdana; font-weight: bold; background: linear-gradient(white, blue, navy, black)">WaltClipper</span> ]]'''-''<small>([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]])</small>'' 18:01, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Just another cruise ship which is a bit bigger than the last one. Sourcing is mostly news sites using press releases. Lots of greenspin re LNG. Let RCI pay for their own advertising [[User:Lyndaship|Lyndaship]] ([[User talk:Lyndaship|talk]]) 18:02, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

*'''Support''' She is the lead ship of the [[Icon-class cruise ship]]s and as such an advancement of the [[Oasis-class cruise ship]]s that have held the title of largest cruise ship past 15 years. That is the reason for the excitement and extensive news coverage. Disclosure: I am one of the editors of the article in the question. [[User:IlkkaP|IlkkaP]] ([[User talk:IlkkaP|talk]]) 18:37, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' the "biggest cruise" is nothing more than pure marketing that every year has to be overcome for the busimessmen. It has no encyclopedic value because of what many have said above. My condolences to the cities that will receive this macro-cruise.. [[User:Alsoriano97|_-_Alsor]] ([[User talk:Alsoriano97|talk]]) 18:59, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per Vanilla Wizard. [[User:BilledMammal|BilledMammal]] ([[User talk:BilledMammal|talk]]) 20:42, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' good faith nom. The "world's largest ship" changes with great regularity and they all have maiden voyages. If something [[Titanic|especially noteworthy]] happens during this one, we can revist the nomination. -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 20:52, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' This doesn’t seem important enough to blurb & it sounds like the record will be beaten fairly soon. [[User:Blaylockjam10|Blaylockjam10]] ([[User talk:Blaylockjam10|talk]]) 22:10, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
{{abot}}

==== (Closed) Tower 22 drone strike ====
{{atop|Consensus to post is unlikely to develop.--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 15:05, 29 January 2024 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Tower 22 drone attack 
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = An [[Government of Iran|Iranian]]-backed [[Islamic Resistance in Iraq (2020–present)|militia group]] launched a [[Tower 22 drone attack|'''drone strike''']] on a U.S. military outpost in [[Jordan]], killing three U.S. soldiers and injuring more than 30 others.
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb      = 
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/28/politics/us-troops-drone-attack-jordan/index.html
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = 3000MAX <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator       = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}}

*'''Oppose''' - covered under ongoing. If this escalates, or the US's response is extreme, then that warrants posting, but at the moment, this is just part of the Red Sea Crisis. -- [[User:Rockstone35|<span style="color:#DF0101"><b>Rockstone</b></span>]][[User talk:Rockstone35|<span style="color:0000ff;font-size:15px"><sup><small><b>Send me a message!</b></small></sup></span>]] 06:06, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

:Red sea crisis is happening under the involvement of Houthis, also the site were the attack occurred is far from red sea, also the perpetrators aren't houthis, it's a part of attacks  [[Attacks on U.S. bases in Iraq, Jordan, and Syria (2023–present)|on U.S. in the region]] rather then red sea crisis or israeli-hamas conflicit. Also it's worth noting that 3 Americans are dead, which is a rare thing in these kind of attacks, last time Americans died in these attacks resulted in assassination of Qasem Solomani, which gives me a sign that this attack is in another level. [[User:3000MAX|3000MAX]] ([[User talk:3000MAX|talk]]) 06:18, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per Rockstone. [[User:Banedon|Banedon]] ([[User talk:Banedon|talk]]) 06:23, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose for now''' This seems like spillover from the Israel-Hamas War & can be covered by that for now. That’ll change if this escalates. [[User:Blaylockjam10|Blaylockjam10]] ([[User talk:Blaylockjam10|talk]]) 08:03, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' - Per above. This is essentially just spillover from conflicts already covered (Israel-Hamas, and the Red Sea crisis to an extent). This *might* lead to something more major in the future, but in that case, now would be far too early to post this. [[User:Bucket of sulfuric acid|Bucket of sulfuric acid]] ([[User talk:Bucket of sulfuric acid|talk]]) 08:46, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

:*'''Oppose''' Covered in Ongoing.
:[[User:Setarip|Setarip]] ([[User talk:Setarip|talk]]) 12:49, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Covered by Ongoing - [[User:Editor 5426387|Editor 5426387]] ([[User talk:Editor 5426387|talk]]) 13:27, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Just to note, many editors are saying that this is covered by ongoing, but I can only find links to pages containing this event in the [[Red Sea crisis]] and the [[Israel-Hamas war]], no explicit mentions of the drone strike. Regardless of whether it is ongoing, I still think the significant impact would be the potential U.S. response, and we could mention the drone strike as something the U.S. retaliated for if a big U.S. response occurs. [[User:2G0o2De0l|2G0o2De0l]] ([[User talk:2G0o2De0l|talk]]) 14:24, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
{{abot}}

==== (Closed) Evergrande Group ====
{{atop|Consensus will not develop to post. [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 23:28, 5 February 2024 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Evergrande Group
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = The <b>[[Evergrande Group]]</b>, formerly China's largest real estate firm, has been ordered to [[Liquidation|liquidate]]. 
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb      =
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/28/business/china-evergrande.html
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Bremps
| creator       = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters      = 174.160.233.71
}}

*'''Oppose''' Group has been basically out of cash since 2021, this was (as the article notes) just signing off on its death. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 13:30, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' The article says the group went bankrupt in August 2023, and had collapsed financially by 2021. Being liquidated with those details in mind doesn't seem to be that significant. [[User:2G0o2De0l|2G0o2De0l]] ([[User talk:2G0o2De0l|talk]]) 14:17, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support on principle, weak oppose on update''' We didn't post this story in 2021 or in August 2023, so I think it's still eligible to be posted.  Appears to be the largest non-bank bankruptcy ever.  Article quality is fairly good, with one CN tag on a line that doesn't need to be in the article and could easily be deleted by the posting admin.  All that's missing is a prose update.  This also allows underrepresented business news to be posted to ITN. [[User:NorthernFalcon|NorthernFalcon]] ([[User talk:NorthernFalcon|talk]]) 16:23, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
*:ITN generally doesn't post business news in the first place. [[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 19:27, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Weak support''' per NorthernFalcon, especially if we didn't previously post this. [[User:The Kip|<span style="color:#333f42;">'''The'''</span>]] [[User talk:The Kip|<span style="color:#b4975a;">'''Kip'''</span>]] 18:52, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''', agree with Masem, we shouldn't start the precedent of posting business news on the main page, especially given the non-profit and volunteer-based status of the project. [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#947E00">Chaotıċ<span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:30deg;color:indigo">Enby</span></span>]]([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|contribs]]) 20:41, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
*:There's no consensus ''against'' it. We're only going to tie our hands in serving as a useful news section. What if [[Apple Inc.|Apple]] went bankrupt tomorrow? [[User:Bremps|'''<span style="background:#000000; color:white; padding:2px;">Bremps</span>''']][[User talk:Bremps|'''<span style="color:grey;">...</span>''']] 23:10, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
*:There is plenty of evidence of consensus ''for'' it: back when minority topics where a thing and given preferential treatment business ''was'' one.  Do not confuse genuine business coverage with PR and marketing coverage. [[User:3142|3142]] ([[User talk:3142|talk]]) 15:26, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
*'''<s>Theoretically support, but it needs more of an update</s> Support''' Sometimes business news is important enough for ITN. Given Evergrande’s role in the [[Chinese property sector crisis (2020–present)|Chinese property sector crisis]], the size of the bankruptcy & the fact that developments in 2021 & 2023 weren’t posted, I think it’s appropriate to post this now. <s>However, the article needs more of an update.</s> [[User:Blaylockjam10|Blaylockjam10]] ([[User talk:Blaylockjam10|talk]]) 22:02, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Weak Oppose''' The business' collapse was big news, but this seems a bit like posting the burial of a man who was hanged 2 years ago. -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 23:13, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
*As far as the saga of Evergrande's downfall goes, this is less of an important piece of the puzzle then it's collapse in 2021 or bankruptcy last year. Nothing against "financial news", but this isn't big enough at this stage of things, so '''oppose'''. [[User:DarkSide830|DarkSide830]] ([[User talk:DarkSide830|talk]]) 01:34, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per NorthernFalcon. I don't see why we can't post business news as long as it meets the ITN standards. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 10:52, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - I disagree with Masem's insinuation that ITN doesn't post business news. We have posted business news items in the past, and even if we ''do'' not, that does not mean we ''should'' not. This might be a formality but I doubt anybody had even heard of the Evergrande Group or understood its significance when it ran out of money in 2021, and merely it running out of money would never have been posted as a news item back then. But there is significance to be found in the liquidation of a major real estate group in China. It would be as if [[Berkshire Hathaway]] went into receivership. <sub>Duly signed,</sub> '''[[User:WaltCip|⛵ <span style="color: white; font-family: Verdana; font-weight: bold; background: linear-gradient(white, blue, navy, black)">WaltClipper</span> ]]'''-''<small>([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]])</small>'' 16:00, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Evergrande Group's financial problems in 2020 caused a major real estate crisis with falling prices, decreased sales and reduced construction works. I think the story of the [[Chinese property sector crisis (2020–present)|Chinese real estate crisis]] should be considered for posting at some point (we're probably already beyond that point), but it really doesn't seem that this news will severely aggravate the current situation.--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 11:41, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. Seems like it is in the news, and this doesn't seem to be a duplicate post. This is a major story in the world's second-largest economy and most populous country; just as the Spring 2023 regional banking crisis in the U.S. made its way onto ITN, so too should this Chinese real estate company. — [[User:Red-tailed hawk|<span style="color: #660000">Red-tailed&nbsp;hawk</span>]]&nbsp;<sub>[[User talk:Red-tailed hawk|<span style="color: #660000">(nest)</span>]]</sub> 04:18, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' - In general I would support slightly ''more'' corporate news getting posted, but unfortunately this particular story is just a formality. [[User:GenevieveDEon|GenevieveDEon]] ([[User talk:GenevieveDEon|talk]]) 13:17, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
* '''Support''' &ndash; This has been a big, long fall with a large impact on many people, and this is the end, an appropriate time to feature it. The article is indeed not very impressive, but it does document the past three years of corporate trouble. ~[[User:Maplestrip|<span style="color:#005080">Maplestrip/Mable</span>]] ([[User talk:Maplestrip|<span style="color:#700090">chat</span>]]) 14:04, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
*:I am really not impressed by the argument that this is old news. Even if it was known that the company was done-for for a year now, this is just as good a moment to tell our readership of it as any. We're an encyclopedia, I think we should generally focus on getting our article out there at the final conclusion and not in the middle of the story. Even if it doesn't quite emphasize Wikipedia as a dynamic resource, it's still a showcase quality Wikipedia content on current events. I wouldn't be surprised if most of our readers hadn't even heard of the [[Chinese property sector crisis (2020–present)|property sector crisis]], so featuring this topic ''would'' in fact serve as emphasizing Wikipedia as a dynamic resource. The only argument I could understand for not featuring this, would be quality concerns... ~[[User:Maplestrip|<span style="color:#005080">Maplestrip/Mable</span>]] ([[User talk:Maplestrip|<span style="color:#700090">chat</span>]]) 14:23, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
{{abot}}
== January 28 ==
{{cot|[[Portal:Current events/2024 January 28]]}}
{{Portal:Current events/2024 January 28}}
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==== 69th Filmfare Awards ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = 69th Filmfare Awards
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = At the [[69th Filmfare Awards]], [[Animal (2023 Indian film)|Animal]] won 6 awards, while [[12th Fail]] won 5 awards, including the [[Filmfare Award for Best Film| Best Film]].
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [https://www.filmfare.com/awards/filmfare-awards-2024/winners],[https://www.hindustantimes.com/entertainment/bollywood/filmfare-awards-2024-full-list-of-winners-alia-bhatt-ranbir-kapoor-best-film-101706457570220.html]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Harvici
| creator       = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}} <!-- Additional comments go before here --> [[User:Harvici|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#CC4E5C ; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">Harvici</span>]] ([[User talk:Harvici|<span style="color:#228B22">''talk''</span>]]) 11:03, 4 February 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->

:It is mentioned in [[WP:ITN/R| ITN/R]] , so it seems notable enough [[User:Harvici|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#CC4E5C ; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">Harvici</span>]] ([[User talk:Harvici|<span style="color:#228B22">''talk''</span>]]) 11:05, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

==== (Posted) RD: Larry L. Taylor ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Larry L. Taylor <!-- Do not wikilink -->
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = https://www.washingtonpost.com/obituaries/2024/02/01/larry-taylor-medal-honor-dies/ , https://www.local3news.com/local-news/medal-of-honor-recipient-captain-larry-taylor-of-signal-mountain-passes-away-at-age-81/article_ae7c7666-bebc-11ee-8c4c-bf5472fc0db5.html <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = yes <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updaters      = Connormah <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}} <!-- Additional comments go before here --> [[Special:Contributions/65.94.213.53|65.94.213.53]] ([[User talk:65.94.213.53|talk]]) 07:39, 2 February 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->
*'''Support''' Article is fine in its length and good in its quality. Seems fine for RD. Cheers, ''atque supra''! [[User:Fakescientist8000|Fake]][[User talk:Fakescientist8000|scientist]][[Special:Contributions/Fakescientist8000|8000]] 20:58, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - Quality is ok. No issues.[[User:BabbaQ|BabbaQ]] ([[User talk:BabbaQ|talk]]) 22:35, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
* '''Posted'''. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 22:44, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

==== (Posted) RD: Satoshi Kirishima ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Satoshi Kirishima <!-- Do not wikilink -->
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.cbsnews.com/news/notorious-bombing-fugitive-satoshi-kirishima-dies-49-years-on-the-run-in-japan-report/] <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| creator       = Doncsecz~enwiki <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updated       = y<!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updaters      = Nihon Brit , Vagabond nanoda , Borgenland <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}} <!-- Additional comments go before here --> [[Special:Contributions/65.94.213.53|65.94.213.53]] ([[User talk:65.94.213.53|talk]]) 07:39, 2 February 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->

:'''Support now that's it confirmed''' If a mugshot has been around for so long its well known, and its looks okay, the article. [[User:TheCorriynial|TheCorriynial]] ([[User talk:TheCorriynial|talk]]) 01:01, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
:'''Support''' It looks like the article’s good enough. [[User:Blaylockjam10|Blaylockjam10]] ([[User talk:Blaylockjam10|talk]]) 08:09, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
* '''Posted'''. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 11:18, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

==== Australian Open ====

{{ITN candidate
| article       = 2024 Australian Open<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| blurb         = In [[tennis]], [[Aryna Sabalenka]] wins the [[2024 Australian Open – Women's singles|Women's Singles]] and [[Jannik Sinner]] wins the [[2024 Australian Open – Men's singles|Men's Singles]] at the '''[[2024 Australian Open|Australian Open]]'''.
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR          = yes <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| sources       = [https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/tennis/67779985 BBC - Men's singles], [https://www.bbc.com/sport/tennis/68109149 BBC - Women's singles]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Blaylockjam10 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator       = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters      = 
| nom cmt       = The Australian Open is ITN/R, but it looks like the article needs some work done before it can be posted.<!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
| sign          =  [[User:Blaylockjam10|Blaylockjam10]] ([[User talk:Blaylockjam10|talk]]) 06:38, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
}}
*'''Oppose on quality''' like many tennis articles before it, lacks any prose summary in the main article about the events themselves. The fact there is prose in some child articles like [[2024 Australian Open – Men's singles]] doesn't take away from the fact that the main article actually needs some prose rather than just tables and lists of the results from the finals. [[User:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b>]][[User talk:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#000000">2302</b>]] ([[User talk:Joseph2302|talk]]) 11:47, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' The quality concern over the tennis ITNR articles have been rised many times for the past few years. Correct me if I was wrong, the last time we posted a Grand Slam was the [[2020 French Open]], which demonstrated the standard for how well-written should an ITNR item be. [[User:Unnamelessness|Unnamelessness]] ([[User talk:Unnamelessness|talk]]) 12:58, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
:* That article is a good example of the sort of quality we should be expecting for ITN to post this. A few sentences summarising the tournaments, with a paragraph or two on the main events (men's and women's singles) would be fine for this to get posted. [[User:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b>]][[User talk:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#000000">2302</b>]] ([[User talk:Joseph2302|talk]]) 15:47, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose on quality''' per Joseph2302. Just links to sub-articles and a set of pretty meaningless tables. [[User:Nigej|Nigej]] ([[User talk:Nigej|talk]]) 13:28, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose on quality''' per above. Virtually no prose beyond the lead. [[User:The Kip|<span style="color:#333f42;">'''The'''</span>]] [[User talk:The Kip|<span style="color:#b4975a;">'''Kip'''</span>]] 18:52, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

==== (Closed) Ongoing: War in Sudan====
{{atop|No consensus to re-add to ongoing. [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 01:19, 29 January 2024 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = War in Sudan (2023–present) <!-- Do not wikilink -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = add <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = lukt64 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator       = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
}} RSF offensive into West Kordofan started
*'''Oppose''' - ITN isn't an armed conflict ticker. Just because a new offensive happens in a war doesn't mean we put it up, unless it gets a significant amount of attention (which this isn't). For this reason, I also think we should take down the Myanmar Civil War [[User:PrecariousWorlds|PrecariousWorlds]] ([[User talk:PrecariousWorlds|talk]]) 08:15, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Weak Support''' Although there was [[Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates/January_2024#(Sudan_Removed)_Ongoing_Removal:_Myanmar_Civil_War_and_War_in_Sudan|consensus]] to remove Sudan from the ITN Ongoing 10 days ago, it was removed on the basis that there was an insufficient quantity of updates. To quote JM from the discussion I linked, "Sudan was removed once already, but then put back up when the conflict picked back up again. No reason that we can't do that again." --[[User:MtPenguinMonster|MtPenguinMonster]] ([[User talk:MtPenguinMonster|talk]]) 10:04, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
* A two sentence update that covered an event from 3 days ago doesn't cut it for ongoing. We also have limited space on the ongoing line, and the conflicts listed have far more worldwide consequences at this point. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 12:49, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Wait''' There have only been two consecutive days in which actual updates about the fighting have been posted. Regardless of whether those updates are notable enough for ongoing, this is simply not enough days in a row to make it an ongoing item. If there are daily fighting updates for multiple more days, I might reconsider, but for now, there are simply not enough updates to make this ongoing. [[User:2G0o2De0l|2G0o2De0l]] ([[User talk:2G0o2De0l|talk]]) 14:17, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per PrecariousWorlds. <span style="font-family: Courier New; background-color: green; padding: 2px 3px 1px 3px;">[[User:Twistedaxe|<span style="color: yellow">TwistedAxe</span>]] [[User talk:Twistedaxe|<span style="color: navy">[contact]</span>]]</span> 15:19, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' The [https://pageviews.wmcloud.org/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&redirects=0&start=2023-07-01&end=2024-01-27&pages=War_in_Sudan_(2023%E2%80%93present)|War_in_Sudan_(2023)|Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war|2023_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war|Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine|Insurgency_in_the_Maghreb_(2002%E2%80%93present)|Mexican_drug_war|Myanmar_civil_war_(2021%E2%80%93present) readership stats] indicate that this is not as interesting to our readers as other wars such as the Myanmar civil war and neither of them are in the same league as Ukraine or Gaza. [[user:Andrew Davidson|Andrew]]🐉([[user talk:Andrew Davidson|talk]]) 20:25, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
**Yet again, readership numbers do not have any application to whether we include or remove stories on ITN<span id="Masem:1706473869463:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> —&nbsp;[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: s"mall-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 20:31, 28 January 2024 (UTC)</span>
**If readership stats are low, readers cannot easily access the article, so it makes sense to post it on the main page.--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 21:40, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
***They were low while it was posted, too. Relative to the other features, anyway, might beat a few other wars. That's not to say we (traditionally and generally) care about what the readers want. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 22:02, 28 January 2024 (UTC)	
*** The [[list of ongoing armed conflicts]] lists 46 different conflicts with deaths so far this year.  Ongoing doesn't have space for all of them and so you have to draw the line somewhere and somehow.  The nomination provides no sources or other evidence as to why Sudan is special. [[user:Andrew Davidson|Andrew]]🐉([[user talk:Andrew Davidson|talk]]) 22:17, 28 January 2024 (UTC) {{ec}}
**** Exactly my point, thank you. I also don't think pointing out readership stats is disruptive, I think judging items on what is actually getting media attention is a far better metric than the incredibly arbitrary system we have now. [[User:PrecariousWorlds|PrecariousWorlds]] ([[User talk:PrecariousWorlds|talk]]) 15:15, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
*:Will you stop, please? You’ve been told an innumerable amount of times how readership stats don’t matter and yet you either don’t understand or have intentionally ignored it. I’m tired of assuming good faith toward you when you continuously ignore your fellow editors. [[User:The Kip|<span style="color:#333f42;">'''The'''</span>]] [[User talk:The Kip|<span style="color:#b4975a;">'''Kip'''</span>]] 23:03, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
*::As a fellow editor, I think it's good to get input from ''all'' angles, not just the ones some of us care about. Andrew may be the most prevalent stats reporter around here, but website traffic analysis is '''far''' from some nonsense he invented.
*::As a fellow badger who's also felt tired of learning about things I don't want to know, I understand you, but (professionally) advise you to "drop the stick". Just "send the pain below", nice and offscreen-like. Disruption is simply not productive. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 23:26, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
*:Readership stats are inherently influenced by the contents of ITN. This is a circular argument: the presence of the Myanmar civil war article in Ongoing makes readers more likely to click it, which means that it will have higher readership stats. --[[User:MtPenguinMonster|MtPenguinMonster]] ([[User talk:MtPenguinMonster|talk]]) 01:11, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per PrecariousWorlds and Masem. [[User:The Kip|<span style="color:#333f42;">'''The'''</span>]] [[User talk:The Kip|<span style="color:#b4975a;">'''Kip'''</span>]] 23:03, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
{{abot}}
== January 27 ==
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====(Posted) RD: Malcolm Gregson====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Malcolm Gregson
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.pga.info/news/malcolm-gregson-1943-2024/ The PGA]
| updated       = Yes
| nominator     = nigej <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = nigej <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}} English [[Ryder Cup]] golfer. Death announced on this day. [[User:Nigej|Nigej]] ([[User talk:Nigej|talk]]) 12:23, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

:'''Support''' the articles looks fine and fairly cited [[User:Harvici|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#CC4E5C ; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">Harvici</span>]] ([[User talk:Harvici|<span style="color:#228B22">''talk''</span>]]) 16:25, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 22:54, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

==== (Closed) UNWRA October 7 controversy ====
{{Atop|Consensus to post will not develop. [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 21:24, 28 January 2024 (UTC)}}
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{{ITN candidate
| article       = UNRWA October 7 controversy <!-- Do not wikilink -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = The [[United Kingdom|UK]], [[United States|US]], and 7 other [[Western world|Western countries]] halt aid to [[UNRWA]] over claims that '''[[UNRWA October 7 controversy|staff members were involved in the 7 October Hamas-led attack on Israel]]'''. <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [https://www.cbsnews.com/news/countries-halt-funding-to-unrwa-over-claim-staff-involved-in-hamas-attack/ CBS], [https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68104203 BBC]<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = JM2023 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator       = ManOnTheMoon92 <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}} I'm not sure whether or not this should be considered to be already covered by Ongoing, but I'll nominate it anyway so the community can decide what to do with it. It is related to the Israel-Hamas war in that it is related to October 7, but it's also a significant change in Western support toward a major UN agency whereby these 9 countries are not going to give anything to it anymore. Blurb taken and altered from Current Events entry above. Currently the top story on BBC's homepage. <!-- Additional comments go before here --> [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 23:43, 27 January 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->
*'''Oppose''' Unless the situation develops into something larger, it's not that notable right now given that these countries will probably resume funding after the investigation is over. <span style="font-family: Courier New; background-color: green; padding: 2px 3px 1px 3px;">[[User:Twistedaxe|<span style="color: yellow">TwistedAxe</span>]] [[User talk:Twistedaxe|<span style="color: navy">[contact]</span>]]</span> 00:10, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
*:I'd say any assumptions about resuming or not resuming funding after the investigation might be [[WP:CRYSTAL]], so it's best to be careful about it. [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#947E00">Chaotıċ<span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:30deg;color:indigo">Enby</span></span>]]([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|contribs]]) 00:31, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
*::True. I still stand by my first point though. <span style="font-family: Courier New; background-color: green; padding: 2px 3px 1px 3px;">[[User:Twistedaxe|<span style="color: yellow">TwistedAxe</span>]] [[User talk:Twistedaxe|<span style="color: navy">[contact]</span>]]</span> 15:22, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Weak oppose''' <s>Per TwistedAxe. Also, the out-of-context blurb might give the NPOV impression that UNRWA as an organization was involved, while the employees (alleged to be) responsible have been fired and are under investigation by UNRWA itself.</s><br>Edit: thanks for the reply, I agree that should be okay as NPOV. The investigation is still ongoing and cutting aid over it isn't necessarily that notable, although assuming anything about the future of funding (in one direction or the other) is [[WP:CRYSTAL]]. [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#947E00">Chaotıċ<span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:30deg;color:indigo">Enby</span></span>]]([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|contribs]]) 00:20, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
*:I tried to avoid that by changing the current events entry to match what the BBC said: {{tq|UNRWA claims: UK halts aid to UN agency over allegation '''''staff''''' helped Hamas attack}} (emphasis mine). So I believe that's following NPOV. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 00:27, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' A handful of countries stopping funding some relatively minor organization because of some alleged malfeasance isn't particularly newsworthy. [[User:JDiala|JDiala]] ([[User talk:JDiala|talk]]) 00:28, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Part of the ongoing. Also the article only has one or two paragraphs actually about the controversy. The rest is repeating background info and reaction kudzu (not including those that actually have stated they will pull support). --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 00:30, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' As per above, this is sufficiently covered in ongoing. [[User:2G0o2De0l|2G0o2De0l]] ([[User talk:2G0o2De0l|talk]]) 00:41, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

:'''Oppose''' as this is already covered by Ongoing. --[[User:MtPenguinMonster|MtPenguinMonster]] ([[User talk:MtPenguinMonster|talk]]) 08:29, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''', for now. Sufficiently covered by ongoing, although future events may result it posting being warranted. [[User:BilledMammal|BilledMammal]] ([[User talk:BilledMammal|talk]]) 12:20, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
{{abot}}
== January 26 ==
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==== (Posted) RD: Sukhbir Singh Gill ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Sukhbir Singh Gill
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/chandigarh/hockey-olympian-sukhbir-gill-dies-of-cancer-9129464/ Indian Express]
| updated       = Yes
| nominator     = Ktin <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = Ktin,Darius Dhlomo, Ayesha46 <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}} Indian field-hockey midfielder. Article is a reasonable start-class biography. [[User:Ktin|Ktin]] ([[User talk:Ktin|talk]]) 03:42, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
* '''Support''', looks ready. [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 19:12, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 22:51, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

==== (Closed) Texas border dispute ====
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| status = 
| result = Closing w/o prejudice to renominating if something more serious develops. There is a fairly strong consensus that this is premature. -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 21:41, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Standoff at Eagle Pass
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = A [[Standoff at Eagle Pass|'''standoff]] begins between [[Texas]] and the [[US]] Government after federal agents attempt to remove razor wire along [[Mexico–United States border|the border]] with [[Mexico]].
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb      = A [[Standoff at Eagle Pass|'''standoff]] begins between [[Texas]] (joined by 25 other states) and the [[Federal government of the United States|US Government]] after federal agents attempt to remove razor wire along [[Mexico–United States border|the border]] with [[Mexico]].
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-68101927
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = PrecariousWorlds <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator       = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}} Another exciting episode of the new season of American Politics. I do think this one is particularily notable, getting significant amount of attention and causing a constituional crisis. It's front page on every media outlet you can think of, and the standoff is only intensifying. The blurb is poorly worded, but the complexity of this story makes it hard to fit into one line. [[User:PrecariousWorlds|PrecariousWorlds]] ([[User talk:PrecariousWorlds|talk]]) 13:55, 26 January 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->
:an article should be specified [[User:Lukt64|Lukt64]] ([[User talk:Lukt64|talk]]) 14:00, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
::[[Standoff at Eagle Pass]]? [[User:BilledMammal|BilledMammal]] ([[User talk:BilledMammal|talk]]) 14:03, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
:::'''Support''' once the article is out of stub class [[User:Lukt64|Lukt64]] ([[User talk:Lukt64|talk]]) 14:07, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' as it is just US politics amplified by members of the GOP. There is a potential that this may devolve into a constitutional crisis but until there's actually action on this, this is not the type of news we post. We don't simply post because a news topic floods the headlines.<span id="Masem:1706278517494:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> —&nbsp;[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 14:15, 26 January 2024 (UTC)</span>
::A section called In The News shouldn't post things that are....In The News [[User:PrecariousWorlds|PrecariousWorlds]] ([[User talk:PrecariousWorlds|talk]]) 14:23, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
:::We should be posting things that are in the news with actual impact on the world, not just because crazy insane partisan games being played by a handful of people get coverage. Again, there ''is'' potential of a impactful result here but right now, its lot of hot air.<span id="Masem:1706280288626:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> —&nbsp;[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 14:44, 26 January 2024 (UTC)</span>
::::It's not us to judge what is partisan games or not. I think if something is getting significant attention In The News, then the most useful thing for the general reader is to put it up on a section called In The News [[User:PrecariousWorlds|PrecariousWorlds]] ([[User talk:PrecariousWorlds|talk]]) 17:29, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
::I will also add that the suggested article is far too narrow in scope. This all started back when the razor wire was installed (at least as early as 2022 , if not earlier), and needs to discuss the lower court cases.<span id="Masem:1706280442020:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> —&nbsp;[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 14:47, 26 January 2024 (UTC)</span>
*'''Oppose''' per Masem. Meh. [[User:Alsoriano97|_-_Alsor]] ([[User talk:Alsoriano97|talk]]) 14:18, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*Razor wire? Really? '''Oppose''' as political theater. Masem is right, just because it's in the news that doesn't make it newsworthy. <sub>Duly signed,</sub> '''[[User:WaltCip|⛵ <span style="color: white; font-family: Verdana; font-weight: bold; background: linear-gradient(white, blue, navy, black)">WaltClipper</span> ]]'''-''<small>([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]])</small>'' 14:42, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*:Something being In The News doesn't make it newsworthy? What logic is that? [[User:PrecariousWorlds|PrecariousWorlds]] ([[User talk:PrecariousWorlds|talk]]) 17:30, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*::Notice I said lowercase "in the news" and not "In The News" which you're using to refer to [[WP:ITN]], and I believe you are misunderstanding the purpose if you believe that we're just acting as a news mirror. The second paragraph of WP:ITN states thus: {{tq|Unlike Wikipedia's sister project Wikinews, '''Wikipedia is not an online newspaper''' and does not accept original works of journalism or first-hand reports. Wikipedians are allowed to create and update '''encyclopedic articles of timely interest''' based on reliable sources.}} Bolded mine. <sub>Duly signed,</sub> '''[[User:WaltCip|⛵ <span style="color: white; font-family: Verdana; font-weight: bold; background: linear-gradient(white, blue, navy, black)">WaltClipper</span> ]]'''-''<small>([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]])</small>'' 19:06, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' barring any major escalation, just American political theatre for now. [[User:The Kip|<span style="color:#333f42;">'''The'''</span>]] [[User talk:The Kip|<span style="color:#b4975a;">'''Kip'''</span>]] 14:55, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*:The article is also not much longer than a stub, and certainly not front-page-quality. [[User:The Kip|<span style="color:#333f42;">'''The'''</span>]] [[User talk:The Kip|<span style="color:#b4975a;">'''Kip'''</span>]] 19:14, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

:'''Wait''' - the deadline for Texas issued by the Fed government is today, so if anything happens today, maybe post. I personally believe Biden is not going to do anything, but either way, I think this may have effects ringing down for years; it will send a message to a lot of other states regarding how much power they really have in the American federal system. — [[User:Knightoftheswords281|<span style="background:black; color:white; padding:2px;">'''Knightof'''</span>]][[User talk:Knightoftheswords281|<span style="background:#70c6ff; color:black; padding:2px;">'''theswords'''</span>]] 15:30, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' This is mainly domestic political squabbles. Not suitable for the blurb here. [[User:Nigej|Nigej]] ([[User talk:Nigej|talk]]) 16:20, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Wait''' and '''oppose on quality''' the incident currently looks like a not very significant domestic dispute, though if it becomes something more then it could be important enough for ITN. Article is currently short too, but if more events happen, then that would likely be solved too. [[User:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b>]][[User talk:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#000000">2302</b>]] ([[User talk:Joseph2302|talk]]) 16:53, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
* '''Wait''' it is easy to imagine this becoming important enough for ITN, but it has not yet done so.  Obviously an article update would be required if additional events were to transpire. [[Special:Contributions/217.180.228.138|217.180.228.138]] ([[User talk:217.180.228.138|talk]]) 17:10, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
* '''Oppose on quality''': Article is incredibly unprepared for ITN. In terms of significance, I suggest we '''wait''' for further events to unfold especially on federal response. [[User:Tofusaurus|Tofusaurus]] ([[User talk:Tofusaurus|talk]]) 17:13, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. Minor political squabble. And with all due respect, this has been going on for two weeks and I've seen nothing of it. Not seeing the "front page coverage". [[User:DarkSide830|DarkSide830]] ([[User talk:DarkSide830|talk]]) 18:11, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Wait'''. It definitely has potential to get out of hand, but if it fizzles out, based on what has happened so far, it does not meet the threshold to posting. -- [[User:Patar knight|Patar knight]] - <sup>[[User talk:Patar knight|chat]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Patar knight|contributions]]</sub> 19:14, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

:'''Note''' as someone from Texas, this looks like it may have the impact of starting a large secession movement again. Yet again, I dont know much about it. [[User:Lukt64|Lukt64]] ([[User talk:Lukt64|talk]]) 21:08, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' - if this becomes something other than bluster then certainly, but until then nah. '''[[User talk:Nableezy|<span style="color:#C11B17;font-size:90%">nableezy</span>]]''' -  21:34, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
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==== (Decision needed) South Africa v. Israel (Genocide Convention)‎‎ ====
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{{ITN candidate
| article       = South Africa v. Israel (Genocide Convention)‎‎
| image         = La haye palais paix jardin face.JPG
| blurb         = The [[International Court of Justice|ICJ]] '''[[South Africa v. Israel (Genocide Convention)‎‎|orders]]''' [[Israel]] to prevent genocidal acts in Gaza
| altblurb      = The [[International Court of Justice|ICJ]] '''[[South Africa v. Israel (Genocide Convention)‎‎|orders]]''' [[Israel]] to refrain from acts under the [[Genocide Convention]], but declines to order a ceasefire.
| altblurb2     = The [[International Court of Justice|ICJ]] '''[[South Africa v. Israel (Genocide Convention)‎‎|orders]]''' [[Israel]] to refrain from acts under the [[Genocide Convention]] and calls for the immediate release of [[Israel–Hamas war hostage crisis|hostages held in the Gaza Strip]], but declines to order a ceasefire.
| recent deaths = no
| ongoing       = no
| ITNR          = no
| sources       = [https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/01/26/world/israel-hamas-gaza-news The New York Times], [https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-68097640?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=65b3aa9ea860e05c542a45b0%26The%20provisional%20measures%20issued%20by%20court%262024-01-26T12%3A57%3A57.529Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:a687c98f-f2c2-4188-bffd-0039e9636240&pinned_post_asset_id=65b3aa9ea860e05c542a45b0 The BBC]
| updated       = yes
| nominator     = Onceinawhile <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}

I added something before this, should I not? [[User:Selfstudier|Selfstudier]] ([[User talk:Selfstudier|talk]]) 13:27, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' The ruling is preliminary and sets the stages for years more of court hearings to prove that Israel committed genocide. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 13:42, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*:It's not a preliminary ruling, it is a ruling granting preliminary measures (while the case proceeds). [[User:Selfstudier|Selfstudier]] ([[User talk:Selfstudier|talk]]) 13:46, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*::What is the difference between "preliminary ruling" and "ruling granting preliminary measures"? [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 13:57, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*::All this is is that South Africa has demonstrated enough evidence that the court will consider the full case, and has made (unenforceable) cautions to Israel.<span id="Masem:1706278389596:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> —&nbsp;[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 14:13, 26 January 2024 (UTC)</span>
*:::It's a big difference, actually. The court has not made any ruling, preliminary or otherwise, on the question whether Israel has committed a genocide. What it has done is to grant interim relief and has accepted prima facie that there is a case to answer, so the case will continue. [[User:Selfstudier|Selfstudier]] ([[User talk:Selfstudier|talk]]) 14:39, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*::::But you just said it ''was'' a ruling in your previous reply. If it's not even a ruling at all, then this isn't significant. "Court does not make ruling" is not significant. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 14:44, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*:::::It is a ruling. It is a ruling on South Africa's request for emergency measures, not the final determination of whether Israel is comitting genocide, which will take years. The ICJ granted some measures, but not others, ordering Israel to do a series of things. [[User:Endwise|Endwise]] ([[User talk:Endwise|talk]]) 14:51, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*:::::It has made a ruling. It hasn't made a ruling on the specific topic of "did Israel commit genocide", but it still made a ruling for preliminary measures (i.e. telling Israel to stop the way they're conducting the war). [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#947E00">Chaotıċ<span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:30deg;color:indigo">Enby</span></span>]]([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|contribs]]) 15:01, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*:::::It is a ruling on provisional measures [[User:DMH43|DMH43]] ([[User talk:DMH43|talk]]) 15:34, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*:::::I've now had 3 people in a row reply to me saying that it's a ruling. 1 person saying it will suffice. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 15:37, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Weak Oppose''' It was expected that the ICJ would find South Africa's case plausible and go forward with provisional measures (the bar is very low). Maybe it would be quite newsworthy if they did actually order the ceasefire. But essentially ordering Israel to try and make sure it doesn't commit genocide means a whole lot of not-much, I think. [[User:Endwise|Endwise]] ([[User talk:Endwise|talk]]) 14:35, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*:It's not "a whole lot of not-much" because the ruling is that Israel is plausibly committing or failing to prevent genocide. That's basically the most the court can do on a time scale like this. It is certainly newsworthy [[User:DMH43|DMH43]] ([[User talk:DMH43|talk]]) 15:48, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*::Yeah, but the bar for plausibility is very low, so it means a lot less than it may seem. I think that's part of why this hasn't been getting as many headlines as you might expect. {{u|nableezy}} is correct to point out that this is informed a lot by my personal opinion -- so weight that accordingly -- but that's ITN for you I guess. [[User:Endwise|Endwise]] ([[User talk:Endwise|talk]]) 08:30, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''', a court telling Israel "please do not commit genocide" without even implying Israel is committing genocide, and without demanding a ceasefire, is not significant enough for ITN by my standards; there is no significant change occuring here. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 14:42, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
::In no case would they have implied that Israel is committing genocide--it's a court, they will investigate based on this plausibility finding. [[User:DMH43|DMH43]] ([[User talk:DMH43|talk]]) 15:49, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
::Additionally, I also agree with FortunateSons. This is a one-sided blurb with no inclusion of the demand for the unconditional release of Israeli people taken hostage by Hamas, thereby violating NPOV; I also agree with the Kip that it's covered by Ongoing anyway. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 22:36, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
::"Please don't commit genocide" is what they always say. This is also what happened for Myanmar and Bosnia. [[User:JDiala|JDiala]] ([[User talk:JDiala|talk]]) 21:56, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
:::...and? [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 23:12, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per all above. The court formally accusing Israel of genocide would’ve been one thing, but just saying “please don’t” is far from that. The lack of a call for a ceasefire also diminishes notability. [[User:The Kip|<span style="color:#333f42;">'''The'''</span>]] [[User talk:The Kip|<span style="color:#b4975a;">'''Kip'''</span>]] 14:56, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*:The final ruling won't happen for several years, this current ruling is to adopt provisional measures, which is huge, see my comment below. [[User:DMH43|DMH43]] ([[User talk:DMH43|talk]]) 15:51, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*:As a followup, with said lack of direct accusation/call for a ceasefire, I don't entirely see how this isn't covered by the ongoing item as well. [[User:The Kip|<span style="color:#333f42;">'''The'''</span>]] [[User talk:The Kip|<span style="color:#b4975a;">'''Kip'''</span>]] 19:18, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*:Wouldn't a call for a ceasefire also amount to "please don't"? It feels like your argument contradicts itself. On the one hand you ascribe significant weight to the lack of a ceasefire call; on the other hand, you dismiss the cease-genocide call as being irrelevant. [[User:JDiala|JDiala]] ([[User talk:JDiala|talk]]) 19:55, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Strong support''' The above comments miss that the ruling on provisional measures is huge given that: the ICJ recognized the risk of irreparable harm to Palestinians should this campaign continue, the panel found that there was plausible reason to believe that Israel is committing genocide or failing to prevent genocide (almost unanimously), all but one provisional measure was adopted. The ceasefire measure was not adopted, but the court has no way to enforce a ceasefire, and the adoption of the other measures equates to a finding that Israel's campaign is plausibly genocidal. This is certainly newsworthy.[[User:DMH43|DMH43]] ([[User talk:DMH43|talk]]) 15:52, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*:Here is jpost describing it as a "harsh diplomatic blow": https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-783852
*:Not asking for a ceasefire is not the same as asking it to prevent genocide. What the court is saying is that Israel can fight a legitimate war against Hamas, but not a genocidal war against the palestinian people, and that it is plausible that Israel is committing genocide or failing to prevent it. [[User:DMH43|DMH43]] ([[User talk:DMH43|talk]]) 15:58, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' summed up best by JM2023, the outcome of this is a warning not to do something, not a judicial decision that they have actually be doing it. [[User:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b>]][[User talk:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#000000">2302</b>]] ([[User talk:Joseph2302|talk]]) 15:59, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*:How is it a warning? They have adopted all but 1 of south africas provisional measures [[User:DMH43|DMH43]] ([[User talk:DMH43|talk]]) 16:01, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*::You’re veering dangerously close to [[WP:BLUDGEON]]ing the discussion, and I see from your talk page you’ve had some issues with ARBPIA editing in recent memory. I highly encourage you to slow down a bit. [[User:The Kip|<span style="color:#333f42;">'''The'''</span>]] [[User talk:The Kip|<span style="color:#b4975a;">'''Kip'''</span>]] 16:35, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
* '''Oppose''', this is effectively the court determining it will take on the full case. The provisional measures are pretty basic (don't commit genocide is a statement of principles, don't destroy evidence and report to the court are related to ensuring the case can be effectively heard, allow humanitarian aid is not novel, the punish incitement to genocide is perhaps the only interesting one). Not sure where "generally, to take more measures to protect Palestinians" in the article comes from, it's not in the provisional measures or the source cited. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 16:12, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*:Calling them "basic" doesn't take into account the huge civilian death toll, and that so far Israel has failed to comply with these "basic" measures:
*:<blockquote>The South African minister for international relations, Naledi Pandor, said outside the court that Israel can't effectively implement the measures ordered without a cease-fire. "How do you provide aid and water without a cease-fire? If you read the order, by implication a ceasefire must happen," she said.</blockquote> https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-01-26/ty-article/icj-rules-israel-must-avoid-genocidal-acts-in-gaza-stops-short-of-ordering-cease-fire/0000018d-4606-d35c-a39f-ee5e5b7e0000 [[User:DMH43|DMH43]] ([[User talk:DMH43|talk]]) 16:30, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*::Stop [[WP:BLUDGEONING]], your comments compose more than 1/3 of the comments on this nomination and you've replied under literally every !vote. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 16:31, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*:::Sure, I just wanted to engage with people at a deeper level than the dismissive nature of the discussion here so far. [[User:DMH43|DMH43]] ([[User talk:DMH43|talk]]) 16:35, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*::::You don't have to engage with ''every'' person you don't agree with. [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#947E00">Chaotıċ<span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:30deg;color:indigo">Enby</span></span>]]([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|contribs]]) 16:39, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*::::Probably best to wait for analysis RS (and other editors) at this point. All major newsorgs are reporting on the case so won't have to wait too long. [[User:Selfstudier|Selfstudier]] ([[User talk:Selfstudier|talk]]) 16:39, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*:{{Re|Chipmunkdavis}} It's interim measure number 4 (of 6)  "The State of Israel shall take immediate and effective measures to enable the provision of urgently needed basic services and humanitarian assistance to address the adverse conditions of life faced by Palestinians in the Gaza Strip;" [[User:Selfstudier|Selfstudier]] ([[User talk:Selfstudier|talk]]) 16:47, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*::That's not a general request for protective measures, that's a specific one for humanitarian aid. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 15:14, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - The decision is being covered in basically every major news outlet globally, and has significant diplomatic and geopolitical ramifications. I don't think we need to wait for the court's final decision to post this on ITN. [[User:Edge3|Edge3]] ([[User talk:Edge3|talk]]) 16:40, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' The final decision will likely take years, while the current ruling already has a significant impact. [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#947E00">Chaotıċ<span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:30deg;color:indigo">Enby</span></span>]]([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|contribs]]) 16:45, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
* '''Weak oppose''' per Endwise and JM. The ruling doesn't really change much other than telling Israel to not commit genocide. Significance would be higher had the court ordered for a ceasefire or ruled that Israel was committing genocide. [[User:Tofusaurus|Tofusaurus]] ([[User talk:Tofusaurus|talk]]) 17:21, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' This is an aspect of the [[Israel–Hamas war]] which is already listed in Ongoing as it generates daily incidents and coverage of this sort. [[user:Andrew Davidson|Andrew]]🐉([[user talk:Andrew Davidson|talk]]) 17:34, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Support''' - Per @[[User:Edge3|Edge3]] [[User:PrecariousWorlds|PrecariousWorlds]] ([[User talk:PrecariousWorlds|talk]]) 17:32, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support in principle''' This is seriously significant news of a tremendous gravity and will change international relations for years to come, even if the final ruling is different. This has the potential to impact the current war. I’m not sure on the current two blurbs, maybe another could be written, but I believe this is blurbable. -[[User:TenorTwelve|TenorTwelve]] ([[User talk:TenorTwelve|talk]]) 17:43, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. Color me skeptical that an international court is dramatically going to change how other countries deal with this conflict. I can guarantee you every country in the world has their own posture towards the war already. If some sort of discipline isn't being levied on someone then, quite honestly, I'd go as far as to say this is a nothing story. [[User:DarkSide830|DarkSide830]] ([[User talk:DarkSide830|talk]]) 18:16, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*:Have a look at [https://www.justsecurity.org/91457/top-experts-views-of-intl-court-of-justice-ruling-on-israel-gaza-operations-south-africa-v-israel-genocide-convention-case/ Top Experts’ Views of Int’l Court of Justice Ruling on Israel Gaza Operations (South Africa v Israel, Genocide Convention Case)] to see why that is something of an oversimplification. [[User:Selfstudier|Selfstudier]] ([[User talk:Selfstudier|talk]]) 18:53, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*::Interesting reading. Still, I only saw one perspective that seemed of the belief that there was a decent chance for change. A lot more of the commentary was about how this affected the actions of Israel and what this means for the case going forward. [[User:DarkSide830|DarkSide830]] ([[User talk:DarkSide830|talk]]) 05:35, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - leading headline around the world, out of the ordinary for ongoing, the opposers seem to be using personal opinion for significance, rather than deferring to what the sources consider significant, and it is very clear they consider this significant. '''[[User talk:Nableezy|<span style="color:#C11B17;font-size:90%">nableezy</span>]]''' -  18:32, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*:{{tq| the opposers seem to be using personal opinion for significance, rather than deferring to what the sources consider significant}}
*:With all due respect, personal opinion is effectively what dictates ITN blurbs; there's plenty of news items that RSes consider significant that we don't post (whether it be celebrity news, covered under of one of our Ongoing events, lower-level sports news, or otherwise). [[User:The Kip|<span style="color:#333f42;">'''The'''</span>]] [[User talk:The Kip|<span style="color:#b4975a;">'''Kip'''</span>]] 19:17, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*::As with all things Wikipedia, sources >> personal opinions. '''[[User talk:Nableezy|<span style="color:#C11B17;font-size:90%">nableezy</span>]]''' -  19:26, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*:::It's a valid sentiment, but if enforced in a hardline manner, opens up ITN to a considerable variety of events editors have previously deemed non-notable, and also furthers questions of bias due to the bulk of RS coverage concerning the western world. [[User:The Kip|<span style="color:#333f42;">'''The'''</span>]] [[User talk:The Kip|<span style="color:#b4975a;">'''Kip'''</span>]] 19:36, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*::::I feel like youre describing Wikipedia as a whole though. This probably can be continued on a talk page though, user or otherwise, as the philosophical discussion is not really relevant to the nomination. '''[[User talk:Nableezy|<span style="color:#C11B17;font-size:90%">nableezy</span>]]''' -  19:44, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*:::[[WP:BIAS]] is how we as Wikipedians evaluate the type of coverage, ignoring how much coverage there is to how significant coverage is. We also need to write towards the long view of a topic, which is why [[WP:NOTNEWS]] exists - we try to avoid being influenced by news of the minute in favor of views of the long-term (without engaging in speculation.)<span id="Masem:1706301519647:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> —&nbsp;[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 20:38, 26 January 2024 (UTC)</span>
*::::Previously youve said ITN's primary function is to showcase quality articles on encyclopedic topics that are in the news, no matter how wide the coverage of that news is. Well here you have an excellent article on an obviously encyclopedic topic that is the top story around the world (ie, in the news). So what gives? '''[[User talk:Nableezy|<span style="color:#C11B17;font-size:90%">nableezy</span>]]''' -  21:32, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*:::::Because 1) this is nowhere close to a final ruling (If the court dismissed the genocide charges completely, ending the case, that might have been reason to post. And in any case, whether Israel abides by this request is yet to be seen - there's nothing actionable yet set by the court) and 2) this is otherwise covered by the ongoing. I would also add this is not a quality article as nearly half of it is analysis and reaction kudzu, which is getting too much into the weeds in the light of NOTNEWS and the 10year view. [[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 21:40, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Strong oppose''' due to limited significance of the ruling and the fact that it is preliminary (see arguments made by others above. Additionally, both blurbs lack neutrality and are missing the demand for the unconditional release of hostages. [[User:FortunateSons|FortunateSons]] ([[User talk:FortunateSons|talk]]) 19:08, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' No idea what all the opposes are about, major news event. Israel needs to "report back" in a month so we will see what happens then. About the same time as the hearings into Israel's occupation will take place, also at the ICJ. [[User:Selfstudier|Selfstudier]] ([[User talk:Selfstudier|talk]]) 19:34, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' is a preliminary pronouncement, which is more declaratory than effective, and is also covered in Ongoing. More interesting will be the judgment. [[User:Alsoriano97|_-_Alsor]] ([[User talk:Alsoriano97|talk]]) 19:37, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Strong Support''' Extensive news coverage. Given the nature of the accusation and the magnitude of the allegation (genocide), this absolutely warrants coverage. [[User:JDiala|JDiala]] ([[User talk:JDiala|talk]]) 19:49, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support:''' Major world news covered live by most news services of note. Landmark ruling on the world's most acute humanitarian crisis now accounting for 80% of the world's population at risk of starvation. The ICJ, the highest court in the UN and therefore the world, has imposed provisional measures, a.k.a. emergency orders, to prevent genocide where the court has determined that there is a clear risk of prejudice to the rights protected by the the genocide convention. It's not preliminary to the main proceedings, but provisional and separate to them. The court has determined A) jurisdiction, and B) the need for emergency measures given the risk of prejudice. The merits of the case will be determined in the case proper. [[User:Iskandar323|Iskandar323]] ([[User talk:Iskandar323|talk]]) 19:54, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
**It should be noted that there is no real enforcement given in the decision: the court ordered Israel to keep its operations within certain bounds to avoid genocide, and to report back to the court. That's for all purposes a slap on the wrist.<span id="Masem:1706301644968:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> —&nbsp;[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 20:40, 26 January 2024 (UTC)</span>
***International law isn't really enforced much in practice. Ask Putin. This is the nature of the anarchic world order.  The symbolic significance is precisely the point. [[User:JDiala|JDiala]] ([[User talk:JDiala|talk]]) 21:40, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support Alternative blurb''' - it’s more comprehensive than the first blurb and is consistent with headlines that I have seen.
:Oppose first blurb - seems poorly worded “prevent genocidal acts” seems vague while the alternative blurb has wikilinks [[User:Wafflefrites|Wafflefrites]] ([[User talk:Wafflefrites|talk]]) 20:00, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support:''' Major world news and the article is of pretty good quality. But I don't think the New York Times article linked in the ITN candidate sources= above should be used, as it is a rolling news article that keeps changing, it is a poor cite as using it for verification is difficult - find another stable source to use. [[User:Rwendland|Rwendland]] ([[User talk:Rwendland|talk]]) 20:03, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
:*'''but Oppose Alternative blurb 1 & 2''' as they include a claim not factually accurate in strict terms: "declines to order a ceasefire" is incorrect because South Africa did not ask for a 2 party "ceasefire", so ICJ cannot be said to decline something not asked for. As the ICJ Order record on page 3, SA asked for "The State of Israel shall immediately suspend its military operations in and against Gaza" (page 3). SA actually asked for a one-side "suspension", not a "ceasefire".  (As Palestine (or Hamas) is not a State Party to the Convention, I doubt that ICJ can actually order either of them to do things like cease fire, hence SA did not ask for that.) [[User:Rwendland|Rwendland]] ([[User talk:Rwendland|talk]]) 13:54, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' I fail to see how the ruling has any significance. [[User:TheInevitables|TheInevitables]] ([[User talk:TheInevitables|talk]]) 21:17, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per JM. -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 21:27, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' The current article states that the court order only says Israel should "take more measures to protect Palestinians". This does not seem to be any sort of ruling on previous actions, but an order to do something going forward. I could see how ordering Israel to completely stop all military operations might be considered a real ruling, but this not so much. [[User:2G0o2De0l|2G0o2De0l]] ([[User talk:2G0o2De0l|talk]]) 23:14, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Strong support''' All oppose editors have suggested lack of real world significance, but without providing sources. They are wrong. See for example: {{tq|{{cite web | last=Kelly | first=Laura | title=ICJ ruling puts Israel on the clock; raises heat on Biden | website=[[The Hill (newspaper)|The Hill]] | date=2024-01-26 | url=https://thehill.com/policy/international/4432413-icj-ruling-israel-biden/ | ref=none|quote=“The U.S. will find it hard to accept noncompliance by Israel, because the U.S. judge [on the ICJ panel] joined what was essentially a consensus decision and because the U.S. has strongly supported the Court’s provisional orders in Ukraine, Myanmar, and Syria,” [[Stephen Rapp]], who served as [[United States Ambassador-at-Large for Global Criminal Justice|U.S. Ambassador-at-Large for War Crimes Issues]] during the Obama administration, wrote in an email to [[The Hill (newspaper)|The Hill]]. “'''Israel has taken this case very seriously because the Court’s orders do have real impact'''.  All of the other major allies of the U.S. will expect Israel to comply, so that if it defies the orders, the Israeli government may find itself treated as a pariah.”}}}} [[User:Onceinawhile|Onceinawhile]] ([[User talk:Onceinawhile|talk]]) 23:36, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*:You're the nominator, your support is already counted by your act of nomination. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 23:43, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*:I found a source saying that the decision had little "practical consequences". [https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/26/world/middleeast/icj-genocide-ruling-israel-gaza.html]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/26/world/middleeast/icj-genocide-ruling-israel-gaza.html The article specifically says that the ruling "lacked immediate practical consequences". [[User:2G0o2De0l|2G0o2De0l]] ([[User talk:2G0o2De0l|talk]]) 23:44, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*::You should read the whole of that New York Times article. The point you raised is explained within the article (and you have incorrectly conflated "little" with "practical consequences"). What it actually says is:  "But it lacked '''immediate practical consequences'''" and "To Gazans, the intervention will bring '''little immediate relief'''." So that part is talking about having no ceasefire. You then missed this from later in your same article: {{tq|"Still, the court’s instructions might give momentum and political cover to Israeli officials who have been pushing internally to temper the military’s actions in Gaza and alleviate the humanitarian disaster in the territory, according to Janina Dill, an expert on international law at Oxford University. “Any dissenting voices in the Israeli government and Israeli military who disagree with how the war has been conducted so far have now been given a really powerful strategic argument to ask for a change in course,” Professor Dill said.}} [[User:Onceinawhile|Onceinawhile]] ([[User talk:Onceinawhile|talk]]) 00:10, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
*:::I acknowledge my misuse of "little" with "immediate", and should have read more of the article to find your quoted section. The quote: "Any dissenting voices in the Israeli government and Israeli military who disagree with how the war has been conducted so far have now been given a really powerful strategic argument to ask for a change in course," does seem to support the argument that this does have important impact. However, I think the quote: "But it lacked immediate practical consequences" still supports the argument that its immediate impact is minimal. So maybe this is not a conclusive source. [[User:2G0o2De0l|2G0o2De0l]] ([[User talk:2G0o2De0l|talk]]) 00:23, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
*:Why is this comment bright green?  &#091;[[User:Osunpokeh|osunpokeh]]/[[User talk:Osunpokeh|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Osunpokeh|contributions]]] 22:47, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
*::It's a quote, formatted with {{template|xt}} [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#947E00">Chaotıċ<span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:30deg;color:indigo">Enby</span></span>]]([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|contribs]]) 23:16, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
*:::Actually it's {{[[template:tq|tq]]}} (is there any functional difference?) [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 23:28, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
*::::Yes, there's an actual difference and I always confuse them, my bad ({{template|tq}} is for quotes and is teal-ish green while {{template|xt}} is for example text and a more vivid green) [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#947E00">Chaotıċ<span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:30deg;color:indigo">Enby</span></span>]]([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|contribs]]) 00:22, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
*:::Apologies, logging out and I can see the quote formatted in green text but there's also a giant green shaded box covering this reply chain that only seems to show up when logged in and in dark mode but I digress. &#091;[[User:Osunpokeh|osunpokeh]]/[[User talk:Osunpokeh|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Osunpokeh|contributions]]] 02:11, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support alt blurb 1 or alt blurb 2''' This decision isn’t the final decision, but it seems important enough for ITN. I think the alt blurbs seem better than the original blurb. [[User:Blaylockjam10|Blaylockjam10]] ([[User talk:Blaylockjam10|talk]]) 23:56, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Storng support''': Per Chaotıċ. I don't think the perception of how "important" the ruling itself is what matters here. It's a major case with wide coverage, and this is the most significant update for the foreseeable feature, as the final ruling will take years forward --[[user:عباد ديرانية|Abbad]] ([[user talk:عباد ديرانية|talk]]) 00:11, 27 January 2024 (UTC).
::(fyi: it's "Chaotic" with the [[tittle]] moved in a chaotic way) [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#947E00">Chaotıċ<span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:30deg;color:indigo">Enby</span></span>]]([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|contribs]]) 00:26, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' - Israel is not bound by this decision, and it doesn't seem like it's actually ordering Israel to do anything different anyway. --[[User:Rockstone35|<span style="color:#DF0101"><b>Rockstone</b></span>]][[User talk:Rockstone35|<span style="color:0000ff;font-size:15px"><sup><small><b>Send me a message!</b></small></sup></span>]] 00:22, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
*:It ''is'' legally bound by it as a signatory to the convention. Whether Israel ignores its obligations under international law, per its usual form, is a different question. And asking it to not kill or harm people would at this point requires it to do something very different indeed - possibly beyond its abilities. Only media with very entrenched bias are trying to spin this as being the same as existing obligations and therefore not an order to do anything different. Obviously, however, the context is that Israel is failing to abide by international humanitarian law and therefore it needs instructing, under pain of international ostracism, to abide by its international legal duties. [[User:Iskandar323|Iskandar323]] ([[User talk:Iskandar323|talk]]) 00:48, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
:*:I'm pretty sure this reply violates the contentious topics policy.... --[[User:Rockstone35|<span style="color:#DF0101"><b>Rockstone</b></span>]][[User talk:Rockstone35|<span style="color:0000ff;font-size:15px"><sup><small><b>Send me a message!</b></small></sup></span>]] 06:25, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
:*::I'm not going to comment on the remainder of the reply, but I do agree with the first sentence. Israel is a party to the case and is therefore bound by the decision of the ICJ. [[User:Edge3|Edge3]] ([[User talk:Edge3|talk]]) 06:42, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
:*::Seconded [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 06:43, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per Chaotic Enby. Adding that waiting for a final verdict is not a reasonable request; we are still waiting on one in the [[Rohingya genocide case]] to this day. I believe we were right to post the ICC arrest warrant for Putin in spite of the fact that no one believes there is a high likelihood of such an arrest ever happening. Of course, this is not a perfect apples-to-apples comparison, nothing ever is when it comes to messy geopolitics. But I believe it helps to demonstrate that there is precedent for posting international developments that are very much in the news and notable in their own right, regardless of the [[WP:CRYSTAL|perceived likelihood]] of a practical consequence in the near future. <b style="font-family:Trebuchet MS">[[User:Vanilla Wizard|<b style="background-color:#07d;color:#FFF">&nbsp;Vanilla </b>]][[User Talk:Vanilla Wizard|<b style="background-color:#749;color:#FFF">&nbsp;Wizard </b>]]</b> [[Special:Contribs/Vanilla Wizard|💙]] 00:39, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Strong Support''' per above, overwhelming amount of coverage across worldwide media. [[User:Ornithoptera|Ornithoptera]] ([[User talk:Ornithoptera|talk]]) 02:46, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. Widely covered in international media that justifies posting even if it is preliminary ruling that the genocide claims are plausible and to be investigated. Waiting for a final result isn't practicable (e.g. the Yugoslav genocide cases were field in the 1990s and resolved in the 2010s), and the news here is that the case was not thrown out, but instead resulted in multiple impositions on Israel during an active conflict. Also as a note, this decision literally could not have made a finding of genocide because of its preliminary nature. That decision will come later.  -- [[User:Patar knight|Patar knight]] - <sup>[[User talk:Patar knight|chat]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Patar knight|contributions]]</sub> 03:47, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support on notability''' Article quality is generally good. --[[User:MtPenguinMonster|MtPenguinMonster]] ([[User talk:MtPenguinMonster|talk]]) 04:04, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Per JM; also covered in Ongoing. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082529">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T•</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">C</span>]]</sup> 10:23, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' – Obviously this is a very notable case, but I have concerns about blurbing a preliminary action, so I think that, for now, the Ongoing entry should suffice. [[User:DecafPotato|DecafPotato]] ([[User talk:DecafPotato|talk]]) 19:43, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Suggest Close''' A quick glance at the wall of comments above shows the supports and opposes to be almost evenly split. I'm all for letting things play out as long as there is some chance of a consensus forming.  But even considering NOTAVOTE, there is no realistic likelihood of that, either for or against. It's time to admit as much and lower the curtain. -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 22:25, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
*:It is still getting active participation, and given such a close would result in your preferred outcome I dont think that is an appropriate suggestion for you to make. '''[[User talk:Nableezy|<span style="color:#C11B17;font-size:90%">nableezy</span>]]''' -  22:40, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
*:Not sure about this, there are still people voting, and it looks like more recent votes have more supports than opposes compared to older ones, so it's not impossible for consensus to shift. [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#947E00">Chaotıċ<span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:30deg;color:indigo">Enby</span></span>]]([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|contribs]]) 22:41, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per JM. [[User:BilledMammal|BilledMammal]] ([[User talk:BilledMammal|talk]]) 11:13, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' I just don't see it as a significant-enough event. Israel is not to commit genocide, which they deny anyway. Hamas is to release their hostages, which they haven't done, and the court decides not to mention anything about Israel suspending military operations, that South Africa has requested. [[User:Nigej|Nigej]] ([[User talk:Nigej|talk]]) 15:38, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' – This is notable development worthy of including in a blurb. Widely covered by sources. ---&nbsp;[[User talk:Coffeeandcrumbs|<span style="color:blue;">C</span>]]&amp;[[Special:Contributions/Coffeeandcrumbs|<span style="color:#663366;">C</span>&nbsp;(]][[User:Coffeeandcrumbs|Coffeeandcrumbs]]) 15:42, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Comment:''' Does anybody really think that this major court ruling is less "in the news" than "protests in Bashkortostan"? The contrast here between the expressly "in the news" event and the incredibly marginal one is quite jarring. I know that "in the news" has always been a bit a popularity contest, but seriously, come on people. [[User:Iskandar323|Iskandar323]] ([[User talk:Iskandar323|talk]]) 05:02, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
*:Personally I wouldn't include either. Perhaps one reason this didn't had more support was the one-sided wording of the original blurb. [[User:Nigej|Nigej]] ([[User talk:Nigej|talk]]) 11:15, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
*:Just because an event isn't receiving heavy coverage from major Western publications doesn't make it "marginal," and we try to selectively post stories from outside that sphere to avoid giving in to our own media-intake bias.
*:i [[User:The Kip|<span style="color:#333f42;">'''The'''</span>]] [[User talk:The Kip|<span style="color:#b4975a;">'''Kip'''</span>]] 18:55, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''': There appear to be zero indications that this order is going to have any enforcement behind it. This seems to be just politicians bloviating and making grand gestures, per usual. If anything substantiative comes out of this, then I'm sure that will make the news. Also covered in ongoing. [[User:Kcmastrpc|Kcmastrpc]] ([[User talk:Kcmastrpc|talk]]) 15:02, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' &ndash; Wow, this is a very impressive and detailed article! Like many others here, I am doubtful this result has any impact on the ongoing situation whatsoever, but it would be a shame not to feature such a well-written and well-cited article that's in the news. ~[[User:Maplestrip|<span style="color:#005080">Maplestrip/Mable</span>]] ([[User talk:Maplestrip|<span style="color:#700090">chat</span>]]) 12:09, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support alt1'''. Important ruling in international law, major news worldwide, and the article is excellent - detailed and very well referenced. I prefer the altblurb. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 12:29, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support alt2''' on notability, though I think "ICJ" might warrant being written in full. I expect the next time this will be posted will be a final judgment or if anything spectacular happens. [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 23:31, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support ALT2''' on notability. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|~~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 18:25, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

==== (Attention needed) RD: Jesse Jane ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Jesse Jane
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/25/arts/television/jesse-jane-dead.html The New York Times] 
| updated       = yes<!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Mooonswimmer <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}} <!-- Additional comments go before here --> Sourcing work needed. [[User:Mooonswimmer|Mooonswimmer]] 09:59, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

:<s>'''Oppose for now''' The tables in the "Awards" & "Filmography" sections need references. References can probably be found in the prose.</s> '''Support''' The “Filmography” section is referenced now & I see that the references in the “Awards” section are in a table that’s off to the side. [[User:Blaylockjam10|Blaylockjam10]] ([[User talk:Blaylockjam10|talk]]) 09:27, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

====(Actioned) Ongoing: Red Sea crisis====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Red Sea crisis <!-- Do not wikilink -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = add <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = JM2023 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator       = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}} Not exactly a nomination; I am aware that this article is already listed in Ongoing as {{tq|(Houthi involvement)}}, but given the page move, I propose un-bracketing it and having it stand as its own entry with its actual title. There was [[Wikipedia talk:In the news#Suggestion to add red sea crisis in on-going news|some discussion]] on the talk page about this that led to this pseudo-nomination.  <!-- Additional comments go before here --> [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 03:44, 26 January 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->
*'''Support''' this proposal per nomination. The Red Sea crisis at this point is separate from the Israel–Hamas war. [[User:DecafPotato|DecafPotato]] ([[User talk:DecafPotato|talk]]) 05:01, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' in principle but the merge aspect should be worked out first - those are two different articles covering the same effective topic. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 05:18, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

:'''Support''', the matter has escalated and is worthy of ITN. [[User:Harvici|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#CC4E5C ; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">Harvici</span>]] ([[User talk:Harvici|<span style="color:#228B22">''talk''</span>]]) 06:21, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Neutral''' - I think you could display it either way to be honest. It is fundamentally linked to the Israel conflict, but I could see it standing on its own. [[User:PrecariousWorlds|PrecariousWorlds]] ([[User talk:PrecariousWorlds|talk]]) 09:13, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' as is. Link should definitely be renamed, and I think it's appropriate to separate it completely now. I don't think the ongoing merge discussion is an issue. ~[[User:Maplestrip|<span style="color:#005080">Maplestrip/Mable</span>]] ([[User talk:Maplestrip|<span style="color:#700090">chat</span>]]) 10:23, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' This seems like the most sensible way to do this. [[User:Blaylockjam10|Blaylockjam10]] ([[User talk:Blaylockjam10|talk]]) 11:00, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

:'''Support''' The Red Sea crisis, although related to the current Israel-Hamas war, is thousands of kilometres away. If it were to be considered part of the same war, I'd say it's a different theatre, and still deserves its own entry. --[[User:MtPenguinMonster|MtPenguinMonster]] ([[User talk:MtPenguinMonster|talk]]) 11:31, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Support''' this indeed ongoing in the sense that it should be in a separate entry in the ongoing tab. Despite the yappings of the Houthis, this is largely separate; they aren’t just targeting Israeli ships and are fighting against different people. List as '''Red Sea Crisis'''. — [[User:Knightoftheswords281|<span style="background:black; color:white; padding:2px;">'''Knightof'''</span>]][[User talk:Knightoftheswords281|<span style="background:#70c6ff; color:black; padding:2px;">'''theswords'''</span>]] 13:19, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per Knightoftheswords [[User:BilledMammal|BilledMammal]] ([[User talk:BilledMammal|talk]]) 13:29, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' as a clearly separate event from the other war. [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#947E00">Chaotıċ<span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:30deg;color:indigo">Enby</span></span>]]([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|contribs]]) 14:32, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - Actual news affecting ''many'' different entities. <sub>Duly signed,</sub> '''[[User:WaltCip|⛵ <span style="color: white; font-family: Verdana; font-weight: bold; background: linear-gradient(white, blue, navy, black)">WaltClipper</span> ]]'''-''<small>([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]])</small>'' 14:45, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' The scope of the crisis has expanded beyond its connection to the war, and the page move further emphasizes that. [[User:The Kip|<span style="color:#333f42;">'''The'''</span>]] [[User talk:The Kip|<span style="color:#b4975a;">'''Kip'''</span>]] 14:54, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

:'''Support '''as it has become seperate from the israel-hamas war. [[User:Setarip|Setarip]] ([[User talk:Setarip|talk]]) 16:10, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
:{{@ITNA}}: Item's got wide consensus and is marked as ready. [[User:The Kip|<span style="color:#333f42;">'''The'''</span>]] [[User talk:The Kip|<span style="color:#b4975a;">'''Kip'''</span>]] 19:13, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Actioned''' I’ve made it a standalone item under its article name as per the above consensus. '''[[User:Schwede66|<span style="color: #000000;">Schwede</span>]][[User talk:Schwede66|<span style="color: #FF4500;">66</span>]]''' 19:24, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
== January 25 ==
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==== (Posted) RD: Sanath Nishantha ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Sanath Nishantha
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.bbc.com/sinhala/articles/ckkvzyy4yg9o BBC] 
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Titanciwiki <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}} <!-- Additional comments go before here --> Sri Lankan Politican, former State Minister of Water Supply. [[User:Titanciwiki|<span style="color: #000000">'''Titanciwiki'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Titanciwiki|<span style="color: #aa0000">'''talk'''</span>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Titanciwiki|<span style="color: #aa0000">'''contrib'''</span>]]</sup> 04:12, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Article looks ok and is adequately referenced. -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 21:24, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 05:56, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

====(Re-nominated; attention needed) First use of nitrogen hypoxia as capital punishment ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Inert gas asphyxiation
| article2      = Execution of Kenneth Eugene Smith
| recent deaths = no
| blurb         = Kenneth Smith is the first person '''[[Execution of Kenneth Eugene Smith|executed]]''' by [[Inert gas asphyxiation|nitrogen hypoxia]].
| altblurb = '''[[Inert gas asphyxiation]]''' is used as a means of capital punishment for the first time, in an execution in Alabama, United States.
| altblurb2 = '''[[Inert gas asphyxiation]]''' is used as a means of capital punishment for the first time in the [[execution of Kenneth Eugene Smith|execution of Kenneth Smith]] in Alabama, United States.
| sources       = [https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/25/us/alabama-nitrogen-execution-kenneth-smith.html The New York Times] 
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = TarkusAB <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = Kingsif <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}} <!-- Additional comments go before here --> American murderer, executed by the state of Alabama. First execution in history via [[nitrogen hypoxia]]. [[User:TarkusAB|<span style="color: #000000">'''TarkusAB'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:TarkusAB|<span style="color: #aa0000">'''talk'''</span>]]/[[Special:Contributions/TarkusAB|<span style="color: #aa0000">'''contrib'''</span>]]</sup> 03:15, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

*'''Oppose''' - it pains me to oppose this, especially since I oppose the death penalty and think it's important that people be aware of the fact that it's still happening.... but he doesn't have a standalone Wikipedia article, as the article is about his execution. This means he doesn't qualify for RD. -- [[User:Rockstone35|<span style="color:#DF0101"><b>Rockstone</b></span>]][[User talk:Rockstone35|<span style="color:0000ff;font-size:15px"><sup><small><b>Send me a message!</b></small></sup></span>]] 04:42, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
**The article was just moved (after the nomination) and it should probably be reverted by an admin. The move was improper. The article is about him, not just the execution. [[User:TarkusAB|<span style="color: #000000">'''TarkusAB'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:TarkusAB|<span style="color: #aa0000">'''talk'''</span>]]/[[Special:Contributions/TarkusAB|<span style="color: #aa0000">'''contrib'''</span>]]</sup> 04:46, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
::{{ping|NelsonLee20042020}} For your awareness. I think your move was improper. [[User:TarkusAB|<span style="color: #000000">'''TarkusAB'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:TarkusAB|<span style="color: #aa0000">'''talk'''</span>]]/[[Special:Contributions/TarkusAB|<span style="color: #aa0000">'''contrib'''</span>]]</sup> 04:58, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
:::I did the move is because, the article is about the crime Smith is convicted and executed for, and many details are covering his trial and execution, and there was no background information about Smith before the case, so the title: execution of __(name)___ is appropriate [[User:NelsonLee20042020|NelsonLee20042020]] ([[User talk:NelsonLee20042020|talk]]) 05:09, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
:::[[Wikipedia:Naming conventions (violence and deaths)]] - see this guideline for more information [[User:NelsonLee20042020|NelsonLee20042020]] ([[User talk:NelsonLee20042020|talk]]) 05:14, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
::I don't think it needs to be reverted by an admin; anyone can do it... I'll do it if you want. One issue though is that the article is only 25 days old. Is that long enough to be appropriate for RD? --[[User:Rockstone35|<span style="color:#DF0101"><b>Rockstone</b></span>]][[User talk:Rockstone35|<span style="color:0000ff;font-size:15px"><sup><small><b>Send me a message!</b></small></sup></span>]] 05:02, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Flip the Script?''' Kenneth Smith was nobody special, to hear "his" article tell it, and seemingly didn't exist until his crimes (again, per article). But our article on '''[[Inert gas asphyxiation]]''' is something special, next to the ''relatively'' cruel and unusual practices described in [[Hanging]], [[Electric chair]], [[Gas chamber]] and [[Lethal injection]]. Maybe the arrival of a kinder, gentler capital punishment is what we should commemorate. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 07:39, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
:From what I've read, this wasn't kind or gentle at all.... --[[User:Rockstone35|<span style="color:#DF0101"><b>Rockstone</b></span>]][[User talk:Rockstone35|<span style="color:0000ff;font-size:15px"><sup><small><b>Send me a message!</b></small></sup></span>]] 11:17, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Surely the issue here is exactly the same as that for Mohammed Ghobadlou ([[#January 23]]). This is not suitable for RD. The only possibility is the blurb, but for me it's not significant enough. [[User:Nigej|Nigej]] ([[User talk:Nigej|talk]]) 09:31, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

:'''Disqualified, close''' this nomination has the same problem as the one below: it's not a biographical article, so it's disqualified from RD. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 14:38, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Boldly re-opened''' Though morbid, I think the introduction of a new form of capital punishment (at a time when almost everywhere in the world is not engaging with any form) is potentially ITN-worthy, and I think this discussion was closed prematurely. I have also changed the focus of the nom in line with this: I think the [[Inert gas asphyxiation]] article should be the target, where there is an update of good size and quality for the news. Hopefully, by not trying to put the information into an RD skin, discussion will be on the merits of posting the story. {{small|As an unrelated note, I also see no issue with the newness of Smith's article or its crime-focused content. As a career criminal who was sentenced to execution before Wikipedia existed, it seems logical for that to be the case and for it to still pass GNG as a bio, so I would suggest moving it back to being a bio.}} [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 23:53, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
:*And '''Support alt1''' based on relevance. [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 13:52, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support original blurb''' I think this is important enough for ITN, but I think the [[Execution of Kenneth Eugene Smith]] article should be the target. The execution is what's in the news & the Execution of Kenneth Eugene Smith article seems to be in better shape than the Inert gas asphyxiation article, which has multiple uncited paragraphs. [[User:Blaylockjam10|Blaylockjam10]] ([[User talk:Blaylockjam10|talk]]) 09:13, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
*:At [[Inert gas asphyxiation]] there was ''one'' cn tag mid-sentence and ''one'' instance of a ref not being copied to the end of a paragraph that had been broken up, both of which I have resolved. No need to be hyperbolic. [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 13:51, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
*::The 1st paragraph in the “Physiology” section is still uncited, as is a block quote in that section, so those problems & the problems you fixed were problems that were large enough that article quality was a concern when I reviewed that article. [[User:Blaylockjam10|Blaylockjam10]] ([[User talk:Blaylockjam10|talk]]) 20:30, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Not suitable for RD and not significant enough for the blurb. [[User:Nigej|Nigej]] ([[User talk:Nigej|talk]]) 17:01, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

==== (Posted) RD: Bat-Sheva Dagan ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Bat-Sheva Dagan
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://gal-gefen.co.il/holon/homepage-holon-headlines/חולון-נפרדת-מיקירת-העיר-בת-שבע-דגן/ Gal Gefen] 
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Alsoriano97 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}} <!-- Additional comments go before here --> Polish-born Holocaust survivour and educator. Her article looks great. [[User:Alsoriano97|_-_Alsor]] ([[User talk:Alsoriano97|talk]]) 23:33, 25 January 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->
*'''Support''' Seems well referenced and no citation tags on it. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.5em 0.5em 0.6em;"> '''[[User:The C of E|<span style="color:red;">The C of E </span><span style="color:blue;"> God Save the King!</span>]]''' ([[User talk:The C of E|<span style="color:darkblue;">talk</span>]])</span> 12:22, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 05:54, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

==== (Posted) Ingenuity end of mission ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Ingenuity (helicopter) 
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         =NASA ends the '''[[Ingenuity (helicopter)|Ingenuity]]''' Mars helicopter mission after nearly three years following damage to its rotors. 
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb      = [[NASA]] ends the '''[[Ingenuity (helicopter)|Ingenuity]]''' [[Mars]] helicopter mission after nearly three years and 72 flights, following damage to its rotors. 
| altblurb2     = Following damage to its rotors [[NASA]] ends the '''[[Ingenuity (helicopter)|Ingenuity]]''' [[Mars]] helicopter mission after nearly three years and 72 flights, having far exceeded its planned thirty day mission, .
| sources       = [https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/25/science/nasa-ingenuity-helicopter-mars.html NY Times] 
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Masem <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator       = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}} needs an update on the body for this though the lede mentions it [[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 23:14, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Support''', added a short paragraph in the body describing the ending and remaining work. [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#947E00">Chaotıċ<span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:30deg;color:indigo">Enby</span></span>]]([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|contribs]]) 23:44, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''', but would prefer a different blurb - the current one doesn't quite sit right. [[User:The Kip|<span style="color:#333f42;">'''The'''</span>]] [[User talk:The Kip|<span style="color:#b4975a;">'''Kip'''</span>]] 23:59, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

:'''Support''': significant as mission end of the first extraterrestrial aircraft. Only 2 CN tags, so not a disqualifying issue. 5 {{clarification needed}} tags though, I don't know if that's a big issue or not. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 00:05, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*72 flights might be a better detail to include? [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 00:10, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*:Proposed altblurb including both years and flights. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 01:04, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

:support, long live ingenuity and perserverance [[Special:Contributions/111.92.81.250|111.92.81.250]] ([[User talk:111.92.81.250|talk]]) 02:14, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support Alt3'''; I think we should emphasis part of the reason this mission was so extraordinary. [[User:BilledMammal|BilledMammal]] ([[User talk:BilledMammal|talk]]) 02:18, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - Significant news. I think either altblurb or altblurb1 would be fine. - [[User:Bucket of sulfuric acid|Bucket of sulfuric acid]] ([[User talk:Bucket of sulfuric acid|talk]]) 08:15, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*:I meant altblurb or altblurb2, pardon me. - [[User:Bucket of sulfuric acid|Bucket of sulfuric acid]] ([[User talk:Bucket of sulfuric acid|talk]]) 09:34, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

:'''Support''' - rest in peace, Ingenuity. May you keep flying in the heavens above [[User:PrecariousWorlds|PrecariousWorlds]] ([[User talk:PrecariousWorlds|talk]]) 09:12, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
::Preference for '''Alt II''' as per @[[User:JM2023|JM2023]] [[User:PrecariousWorlds|PrecariousWorlds]] ([[User talk:PrecariousWorlds|talk]]) 09:15, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' - I question the notability of the event. If something positive such as a discovery happened then I think it should be posted, but the ending of a mission is not notable IMO. You can end many space programs without having achieved anything. [[User:Arind8|Arind8]] ([[User talk:Arind8|talk]]) 10:21, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' &ndash; I see this as featuring the Ingenuity article at its "final" state, so to speak. I think this is very appropriate. Update to the article looks alright. ~[[User:Maplestrip|<span style="color:#005080">Maplestrip/Mable</span>]] ([[User talk:Maplestrip|<span style="color:#700090">chat</span>]]) 10:27, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*:'''Comment''' Not really the final state as works remains to be done, including downloading the remaining data. [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#947E00">Chaotıċ<span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:30deg;color:indigo">Enby</span></span>]]([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|contribs]]) 14:36, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 10:39, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' I agree with Arind8 that we should indicate a significant achievement/discovery from this mission, but don't oppose it because the helicopter "made the first powered, controlled extraterrestrial flight by any aircraft". I'll request the blurb to be amended on [[WP:ERRRORS]].--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 11:01, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

:'''Oppose''' Is this really that notable to be posted? This is just the end of one of many space missions. Like Arind8 said, perhaps if there were any groundbreaking discoveries this would be notable. [[User:Fightmeaboutit|Fightmeaboutit]] ([[User talk:Fightmeaboutit|talk]]) 22:53, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' I'm late but I agree with Arind8 too. The launch was historic, but the end of the space mission after three years is less impactful. [[User:Wqwt|Wqwt]] ([[User talk:Wqwt|talk]]) 06:16, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

==== RD: Rafiuddin Hashmi ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Rafiuddin Hashmi
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.express.pk/story/2596042/24 Express] 
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Ainty Painty <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}} <!-- Additional comments go before here --> [[User:Ainty Painty|Ainty Painty]] ([[User talk:Ainty Painty|talk]]) 14:44, 25 January 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->
*'''Not Quite Ready''' A couple CNs in the awards section. -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 21:21, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
** I don't know the language in the REFs, but I wonder if the footnotes in the Career section can be re-used there.  --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 22:41, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
== January 24 ==
{{cot|[[Portal:Current events/2024 January 24]]}}
{{Portal:Current events/2024 January 24}}
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====(Posted) RD: Jack Riddell====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Jack Riddell
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://lfpress.com/news/local-news/jack-riddell-former-ontario-agriculture-minister-dies-at-age-92 ''The London Free Press'']; [https://www.lakeshoreadvance.com/news/jack-riddell-former-ontario-agricultural-minister-dead-at-92 ''Exeter Lakeshore Times-Advance'']
| updated       = yes
| nominator     = Bloom6132
| updaters       = Bloom6132
| nom cmt       = 
| sign          = [[User:Bloom6132|Bloom6132]] ([[User talk:Bloom6132|talk]]) 16:46, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
}}
*'''Support''' This has enough details & references. [[User:Blaylockjam10|Blaylockjam10]] ([[User talk:Blaylockjam10|talk]]) 22:26, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 04:04, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

==== (Closed) Protests against Javier Milei ====
{{atop|Consensus to post will not develop. [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 05:53, 27 January 2024 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = 2024 general strike against Javier Milei
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = A [[general strike|nationwide strike]] paralyzes [[Argentina]] amid '''[[2024 general strike against Javier Milei|protests]]''' against President [[Javier Milei]].
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb      = '''[[2024 general strike against Javier Milei|Protests]]''' against President [[Javier Milei]]'s policies paralyze [[Argentina]].
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/24/world/americas/argentina-union-strike-javier-milei.html ''The New York Times''], [https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/1/24/traitor-thousands-strike-against-argentinas-president-javier-milei Al Jazeera], [https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-68085197 BBC News]], [https://english.elpais.com/international/2024-01-24/general-strike-in-argentina-puts-javier-mileis-government-to-the-test.html El País]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Simón, el Silbón <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator       = Simón, el Silbón
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}} <!-- Additional comments go before here --> [[User:Simón, el Silbón|<span class="unicode" style="color:#FCD116;text-shadow:0.1em 0.1em 0.1em darkgrey">Simón,</span> <span class="unicode" style="color:#003893;text-shadow:0.1em 0.1em 0.1em darkgrey">el</span> <span class="unicode" style="color:#CE1126;text-shadow:0.1em 0.1em 0.1em darkgrey">Silbón</span>]] ([[User talk:Simón, el Silbón|talk]]) 07:44, 25 January 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->

:'''Support on notability''', but the article quality may need improvement. --[[User:MtPenguinMonster|MtPenguinMonster]] ([[User talk:MtPenguinMonster|talk]]) 08:20, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Comment''' - Article suffers from POV issues [[User:PrecariousWorlds|PrecariousWorlds]] ([[User talk:PrecariousWorlds|talk]]) 08:50, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Support''' Obviously important. Also fuck austerity [[User:Kasperquickly|Kasperquickly]] ([[User talk:Kasperquickly|talk]]) 09:49, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' This seems to be routine domestic politics for Argentina, which always seems to be in a state of crisis.  If we don't report the daily developments of US politics, then this doesn't warrant special attention.  Demonstrations of ten of thousands don't seem large, as these things go.  According to the [https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/24/world/americas/argentina-union-strike-javier-milei.html NYT report], Milei still has high approval ratings but the article doesn't say that and so lacks [[WP:NPOV]]. [[user:Andrew Davidson|Andrew]]🐉([[user talk:Andrew Davidson|talk]]) 10:04, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
*:Exactly. I feel like the article and this blurb give an undue weight as to how large these protests actually are and how much dissatisfaction there is against Milei.  [[User:PrecariousWorlds|PrecariousWorlds]] ([[User talk:PrecariousWorlds|talk]]) 11:06, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per Andrew. Maybe this will turn into something bigger, maybe not. [[User:Nigej|Nigej]] ([[User talk:Nigej|talk]]) 10:37, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' this doesn't seem significant enough for listing on ITN per above. [[User:Kcmastrpc|Kcmastrpc]] ([[User talk:Kcmastrpc|talk]]) 12:23, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Wait''' Per Andrew, these don't seem to be anything out of the ordinary as of now. However, it could escalate later on.[[User:2G0o2De0l|2G0o2De0l]] ([[User talk:2G0o2De0l|talk]]) 13:40, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' for now, per Andrew. if this evolves into something bigger, then maybe. [[User:Editor 5426387|Editor 5426387]] ([[User talk:Editor 5426387|talk]]) 13:47, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Dissatisfied people who didn't vote him going on protests isn't significant, unless this results in his removal from office or other major changes.--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 13:57, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' for several NPOV reasons, too long to explain here. I have tagged the article and explained the reasons at the talk page. [[User:Cambalachero|Cambalachero]] ([[User talk:Cambalachero|talk]]) 14:29, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Note:''' I also moved the article to [[2024 general strike against Javier Milei]]. The name suggests to be a general article about several protests against Milei, but it is actually an article about a single and specific protest. [[User:Cambalachero|Cambalachero]] ([[User talk:Cambalachero|talk]]) 14:38, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

:'''Oppose '''insignificant. [[User:Setarip|Setarip]] ([[User talk:Setarip|talk]]) 15:48, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Strikes and political protests in Argentina rival soccer for the national pastime. I would need to see some evidence, currently lacking, that this is a really big deal. And on a side note, the article is tagged for NPOV. That's a showstopper until the tag is resolved. -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 16:37, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
{{abot}}

==== (Posted) RD: ABilly S. Jones-Hennin ====
{{ITN candidate
|article = ABilly S. Jones-Hennin
|recent deaths = yes
|sources = [https://www.washingtonpost.com/obituaries/2024/01/24/abilly-jones-hennin-dead/]
|updated = yes
|nominator= ForsythiaJo
|updaters= ForsythiaJo
}} African-American LGBT rights activist &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:ForsythiaJo|ForsythiaJo]] ([[User talk:ForsythiaJo|talk]]) 04:50, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Looks pretty good. I'd like to see the lead expanded though. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 05:06, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

:'''Support''' The article is of generally good quality. --[[User:MtPenguinMonster|MtPenguinMonster]] ([[User talk:MtPenguinMonster|talk]]) 08:19, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per above. Good quality  <small> ✈</small> [[User:mike_gigs|mike_gigs]] <sup>[[User talk:mike_gigs|talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/mike_gigs|contribs]]</sub> 15:22, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 21:08, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

====(Posted) RD: Howard Golden ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Howard Golden
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/24/nyregion/howard-golden-dead.html]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Muboshgu <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}} <!-- Additional comments go before here --> &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 22:46, 24 January 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->
*'''Support''' Article looks solid. No issues. -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 03:32, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Comment:''' Couple of CN tags for info not covered in refs at the end of the paragraph. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082529">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T•</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">C</span>]]</sup> 05:03, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*:Will address those today. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 17:50, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*:{{u|Spencer}}, it's all sourced now. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 18:12, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted to RD'''. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082529">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T•</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">C</span>]]</sup> 21:39, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

==== (Posted) RD: Melanie ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Melanie (singer)
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://variety.com/2024/music/obituaries-people-news/melanie-dead-brand-new-key-singer-woodstock-1235886892/ Variety]
| updated       = yes <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = TheCorriynial <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = Blaylockjam10 <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}} Although not a likely pass, Melanie was a folk singer songwriter who preformed at [[Woodstock 1969]], and had one number one in 1971/1972 with [[Brand New Key]]. Article needs helps about everywhere. [[User:TheCorriynial|TheCorriynial]] ([[User talk:TheCorriynial|talk]]) 21:50, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

*'''Support''' The article looks fine and the [[List of one-word stage names|one word]] title should work well at RD. [[user:Andrew Davidson|Andrew]]🐉([[user talk:Andrew Davidson|talk]]) 10:25, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Not Ready''' Referencing is going to need some work. -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 03:41, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*:Do all albums need citations, even those with their own articles? [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 13:07, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*::Yes. Wikipedia is not a reliable source. That said, if the articles have any sourcing at all this should be an easy fix. -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 21:18, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*:::Tagging's even easier than fixing. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 21:20, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
* <s>There are currently at least 6 {cn} tags in the prose. And multiple bullet-points in the discography section unsourced. Please add more REFs. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 11:58, 28 January 2024 (UTC)</s> 
** No {cn} tags left. '''Time for a re-review''', please, anyone? -[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 03:00, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
**:{{Ping|PFHLai}} I support posting this. [[User:Blaylockjam10|Blaylockjam10]] ([[User talk:Blaylockjam10|talk]]) 04:28, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' This has enough details & references now. [[User:Blaylockjam10|Blaylockjam10]] ([[User talk:Blaylockjam10|talk]]) 04:08, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Now looks well sourced. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 10:10, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 10:43, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

==== (Posted) RD: Charles Fried ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Charles Fried
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2024/1/24/charles-fried-dies-88/] [https://fedsoc.org/commentary/fedsoc-blog/in-remembrance-of-professor-charles-fried-1935-2024] [https://www.washingtonpost.com/obituaries/2024/01/25/charles-fried-solicitor-general-dies/ Washington Post]
| updated       = yes
| nominator     = GuardianH <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = GuardianH , Kelisi, Bloom6132
}} <!-- Additional comments go before here --> &ndash;&nbsp; [[User:GuardianH|GuardianH]] ([[User talk:GuardianH|talk]]) 16:46, 24 January 2024 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->
*<s>'''Not Ready''' for the [[WP:CITE|usual reason]]</s>. -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 03:44, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*:Addressed. [[User:GuardianH|GuardianH]] ([[User talk:GuardianH|talk]]) 14:09, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*::I'm still seeing multiple CN tags. -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 21:17, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*:::{{re|Ad Orientem}} hope you can take another look. —[[User:Bloom6132|Bloom6132]] ([[User talk:Bloom6132|talk]]) 19:33, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
* Sections on his Legal career and his Works have remained largely unsourced. Please add more REFs. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 12:05, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
*:@[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] @[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] These issues can certainly be addressed (I'll have to work on the article at some point) but they don't seem to affect the article for RD. I think there's been enough coverage to justify the article's presence in the news. Also, now a [https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/27/us/politics/charles-fried-dead.html NYT article]. [[User:GuardianH|GuardianH]] ([[User talk:GuardianH|talk]]) 17:36, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
*::@[[User:GuardianH|GuardianH]] Article quality is the principal criteria for RD. -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 17:47, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
*::@[[User:GuardianH|GuardianH]]  Having news articles to back up the report on the subject's death only qualifies for RD on [[Portal:Current events]] and for inclusion in [[Deaths in 2024]]. (It's there already.) To get onto ITN on MainPage, the wikibio does not have to be a perfect FA, but it ought to be problem-free. Inadequate referencing is a common problem that keeps many nominated articles from getting onto ITN. For the [[Charles Fried]] article, the multiple {cn} tags in the prose and a string of unsourced bullet-points are eye-catching problems that make this article a poor candidate for use on ITN at this time. However, this article will continue to be eligible for ITN for a couple more days, so there is still time to add more references and footnotes before its eligibility expires (and the nom rolls off ITN/C). --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 18:09, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
*:::Oh, alright. I'll try to improve it in the near future if I can. [[User:GuardianH|GuardianH]] ([[User talk:GuardianH|talk]]) 19:18, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
*::::{{re|PFHLai}} hope you can take another look. —[[User:Bloom6132|Bloom6132]] ([[User talk:Bloom6132|talk]]) 19:34, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
*::::: Thanks for the new footnotes! --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 22:30, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' – article is well-referenced and meets minimum depth of coverage for ITN after my edits. —[[User:Bloom6132|Bloom6132]] ([[User talk:Bloom6132|talk]]) 19:33, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Much improved. -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 19:39, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
* '''Posted'''. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 22:30, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

==== 2024 Korochansky Il-76 crash ====
{{ITN candidate|image=IL-76MD_-_TankBiathlon2013_(modified).jpg|article=2024 Korochansky Ilyushin Il-76 crash|blurb=In Russia, a military transport plane (model [[Ilyushin Il-76]] pictured) carrying 68 Ukrainian [[Prisoner of war|POWs]] '''[[2024 Korochansky Ilyushin Il-76 crash|crashes]]''' in [[Korochansky District|Korochansky]], [[Belgorod Oblast]], killing all 74 aboard|altblurb=In Russia, an [[Ilyushin Il-76]] military transport plane carrying 74 people '''[[2024 Korochansky Ilyushin Il-76 crash|crashes]]''' in [[Korochansky District]], [[Belgorod Oblast]], killing all aboard.|sources=[https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/24/europe/russian-military-plane-crash-belgorod-intl/index.html CNN] - [https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20240124-russia-says-plane-carrying-65-ukrainian-pows-crashed-in-belgorod-border-region France24] - [https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-01-24/russian-military-transport-plane-crashes-near-ukrainian-border/103386268 ABC (Australia)] - [https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/24/world/europe/russia-military-plane-crash-ukraine.html NYT] - [https://www.euronews.com/2024/01/24/russian-military-plane-crash-kills-dozens-including-ukrainian-prisoners Euronews]|nominator=Knightoftheswords281|sign=— [[User:Knightoftheswords281|<span style="background:black; color:white; padding:2px;">'''Knightof'''</span>]][[User talk:Knightoftheswords281|<span style="background:#70c6ff; color:black; padding:2px;">'''theswords'''</span>]] 16:05, 24 January 2024 (UTC)|nom cmt=Nearly 70 people died in a crash of a Russian military plane in Belgorod oblast. I don't think this should be dismissed as "ongoing;" we posted the [[2023 Brovary helicopter crash]] for example because the cause of the crash wasn't related to the war and had a high death toll.|updaters=Pietadè, Sadustu Tau, Dora the Axe-plorer, Borgenland, Aydoh8|creator=Aqeccac}}
*'''Note''' - Ukraine says that the plane was carrying missiles, not POWs. I'm not saying either side is lying, but we may have to wait until whether it had POWs or missiles becomes clear. '''''[[User:Tube of Light|Tube]]·[[User talk:Tube of Light|of]]·[[Special:Contributions/Tube_of_Light|Light]]''''' 16:14, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
*:And Russia says that the plane has been shot down, not "crashed". Actually so does the nyt  [[User:Kasperquickly|Kasperquickly]] ([[User talk:Kasperquickly|talk]]) 19:19, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

:'''Comment''' - Currently debating whether or not this is notable. It definitely is related to the war, but the resulting coverage of this may be enough. We must maintain NPOV as per @[[User:Tube of Light|Tube of Light]], there are too many unknowns atm [[User:PrecariousWorlds|PrecariousWorlds]] ([[User talk:PrecariousWorlds|talk]]) 16:56, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Wait''' - until we've got some concrete information as to who/what was onboard and what caused it to crash. [[User:Nigej|Nigej]] ([[User talk:Nigej|talk]]) 18:25, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Support but wait''', per Nigej. --[[User:NoonIcarus|NoonIcarus]] ([[User talk:NoonIcarus|talk]]) 02:17, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Strong support''' This is a major plane crash. There's no point in waiting because Russia and Ukraine will never agree on what happened. If necessary, change the blurb to "carrying 74 people" instead of mentioning Ukrainian POWs. [[User:Johndavies837|Johndavies837]] ([[User talk:Johndavies837|talk]]) 04:46, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
::Added altblurb. [[User:Brandmeister|Brandmeister]]<sup>[[User talk:Brandmeister|talk]]</sup>   08:00, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
::Has the death count of 74 been independently verified in any way? [[Special:Contributions/70.181.1.68|70.181.1.68]] ([[User talk:70.181.1.68|talk]]) 08:11, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Support''' primarily on the basis of notability. The article is well-sourced and of generally good quality. --[[User:MtPenguinMonster|MtPenguinMonster]] ([[User talk:MtPenguinMonster|talk]]) 08:16, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Support''' POWs are essentially civilians when it comes to the rules of war, and we would have posted it if it was a civilian plane being shot down. In fact, im pretty sure that civilian Malaysian plane that had been shot by the Russian rebels was posted here. Hence, my support vote. [[User:Kasperquickly|Kasperquickly]] ([[User talk:Kasperquickly|talk]]) 09:51, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' This is part of the ongoing war for which we continuously list the [[Timeline_of_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine_(1_December_2023_–_present)#24_January|timeline]] to cover all such incidents. [[user:Andrew Davidson|Andrew]]🐉([[user talk:Andrew Davidson|talk]]) 10:19, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Wait''' The information in the article still indicates that, while Russia says that plane was carrying POW's, Ukraine still has not corroborated this. We should probably wait until some third party provides evidence in support of either of their claims. As for notability, I would only support it if there is some other impact from the crash. I think the crash itself can be adequately covered in the ongoing.[[User:2G0o2De0l|2G0o2De0l]] ([[User talk:2G0o2De0l|talk]]) 13:48, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' on notability, such events are quite rare and notable, although this is partially covered by ongoing, the incident is still major and article appears to be in good quality. [[User:Editor 5426387|Editor 5426387]] ([[User talk:Editor 5426387|talk]]) 13:52, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

:'''Support Alternative blurb''' pretty notable. [[User:Setarip|Setarip]] ([[User talk:Setarip|talk]]) 15:50, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' already covered by ongoing. Whether Ukrainian prisoners of war, or missiles, is part of the Russian-Ukrainian war. [[User:Alsoriano97|_-_Alsor]] ([[User talk:Alsoriano97|talk]]) 16:35, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' War's result in planes being shot down and people getting killed. It's covered in ongoing.. -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 16:44, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' unless it turns out that it carried civilians unrelated to the war, which seems unlikely according to the information that we have so far. Otherwise, it’s covered by the ongoing item.--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 16:53, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - Very notable. But seeing the updates on this event, it seems unlikely that Ukraine or Russia will confirm any details soon. Hope we won't have to wait till it becomes irrelevant. [[User:AnalyserOP|AnalyserOP]] ([[User talk:AnalyserOP|talk]]) 17:54, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
== January 23 ==
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==== RD: Mohammed Ghobadlou ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Execution of Mohammad Ghobadloo
| recent deaths = Yes
| sources       = [https://elpais.com/internacional/2024-01-23/iran-ejecuta-a-otro-manifestante-detenido-en-las-protestas-por-la-muerte-de-mahsa-amini.html El País], [https://hengaw.net/en/news/2024/01/iranian-judiciary-executed-a-mentally-disordered-inmate-sentenced-to-death-for-alleged-involvement-in-protests Hengaw]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = NoonIcarus <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = Afddiary
}} Iranian man executed for his participation in the 2022 Mahsa Amini protests [[User:NoonIcarus|NoonIcarus]] ([[User talk:NoonIcarus|talk]]) 20:45, 24 January 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->

*'''Disqualified, close''': RD articles need to be biographical (about the person, not the death). [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 20:51, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
*:There's no such rule at the main RD page (see [[Deaths in 2024#23]]). [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 21:00, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
*::[[WP:ITNRD]] says {{tq|An individual human, animal or other biological organism that has recently died may have an entry in the recent deaths (RD) section if it has a biographical Wikipedia article}}, in which "biographical article" is interpreted to mean article on life, not death, something shown by [[Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates/November 2023#(Closed) RD: Ana Clara Benevides|the last time]] an RD was nominated without being a biographical article. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 21:04, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
*:::Oftentimes, an event article has a substantial enough biographical component of its main player(s). They just can't have articles due to [[WP:BLP1E]]. That said, I'm not seeing enough in this article (which is not written well), so '''Oppose'''. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 21:10, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' The article has been improved since the nomination. Adding updater. --[[User:NoonIcarus|NoonIcarus]] ([[User talk:NoonIcarus|talk]]) 02:08, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per JM. The concern is whether this man is [[WP:N]]. [[User:Nigej|Nigej]] ([[User talk:Nigej|talk]]) 10:45, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''NOTE''' I am reopening this discussion which I think was closed prematurely. I agree that it does not meet our guidelines for RD. However, it might be worth discussing as a possible blurb if anyone wants to propose one. -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 17:00, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

==== (Closed) Doomsday Clock ====
{{atop|status={{NAC}} |reason=It’s a [[WP:SNOW|SNOW]]storm out here. [[User:The Kip|<span style="color:#333f42;">'''The'''</span>]] [[User talk:The Kip|<span style="color:#b4975a;">'''Kip'''</span>]] 01:11, 24 January 2024 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Doomsday Clock
| image         = Doomsday clock (1.5 minutes).svg
| blurb         = The '''[[Doomsday Clock]]''' ''(pictured)'' stands at 90 seconds to midnight. 
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [https://thebulletin.org/2024/01/press-release-doomsday-clock-remains-at-90-seconds-to-midnight/ Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists], [https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/1/23/doomsday-clock-stays-at-90-seconds-to-midnight-what-we-know Al Jazeera], [https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-68017445 BBC],[https://www.dw.com/en/what-does-the-doomsday-clock-tell-us-about-the-future/a-68062514 DW], [https://www.scmp.com/news/world/article/3249537/doomsday-clock-remains-90-seconds-midnight-amid-wars-gaza-ukraine South China Morning Post],  [https://eu.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2024/01/23/doomsday-clock-90-seconds-midnight-nuclear-disaster-climate-crisis/72317545007/ USA Today]
| updated       = yes <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Andrew Davidson <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator       = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters      = Stefaniedb <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}} We now have AI and drone swarms to add to the growing list of existential threats...  [[user:Andrew Davidson|Andrew]]🐉([[user talk:Andrew Davidson|talk]]) 23:17, 23 January 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->

:'''Oppose''' No blurb... nothing changed. [[User:Hurricane Noah|<b style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah</b>]], [[Associate of Arts|AA]]<sup>[[User talk:Hurricane Noah|<b style="color:#ff0000">Talk</b>]]</sup> 23:24, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Snow close''' how does andrew always post the most useless thing it didnt even change??????????????? [[User:Lukt64|Lukt64]] ([[User talk:Lukt64|talk]]) 23:50, 23 January 2024 (UTC)\
::[[Wikipedia:Assume good faith|Assume Good Faith]]. No need to be rude [[User:PrecariousWorlds|PrecariousWorlds]] ([[User talk:PrecariousWorlds|talk]]) 06:57, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Snow close'''-- it didn't change, so there's no story here. {{re|Lukt64}} -- please be more polite. --[[User:Rockstone35|<span style="color:#DF0101"><b>Rockstone</b></span>]][[User talk:Rockstone35|<span style="color:0000ff;font-size:15px"><sup><small><b>Send me a message!</b></small></sup></span>]] 00:01, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per others. There is no update here. Per BBC: {{tq|The Doomsday Clock - which shows how symbolically close the world is to nuclear Armageddon - is to '''remain''' at 90 seconds to midnight. Scientists have listed reasons for keeping its hands the closest they have ever been to "Doomsday" - but '''stopped short''' of nudging it further forward.}} (bolded for emphasis) [[User:Natg 19|Natg 19]] ([[User talk:Natg 19|talk]]) 00:15, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' it didn't change [[User:Kevinishere15|Kevinishere15]] ([[User talk:Kevinishere15|talk]]) 00:17, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Even if the number did change, the clock time would still be trivial. It is a completely arbitrary measurement with no bearing in reality. [[User:Curbon7|Curbon7]] ([[User talk:Curbon7|talk]]) 00:24, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Strong oppose and speedy close''' The clock has not changed, not sure why this was nominated. [[User:Kanyewestlover999|Kanyewestlover999]] ([[User talk:Kanyewestlover999|talk]]) 00:53, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
* '''SNOW Close''' Old news, last changed a year ago. [[user:HistoryTheorist|<span style="font-family:Courier;color:#2F7E98">❤History</span>]][[User talk:HistoryTheorist|<span style="font-family:Courier;color:lightpurple">Theorist❤</span>]] 01:10, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' I don't know who decided that some arbitrary clock was a good measure of how close we all are to blowing each other up. This is purely a publicity stunt that has no relation to anything tangible or quantifiable. [[User:PrecariousWorlds|PrecariousWorlds]] ([[User talk:PrecariousWorlds|talk]]) 06:54, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

{{abot}}
==== (Closed) Arch of Reunification demolition ====
{{atop|Consensus will not develop to post. [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 10:32, 26 January 2024 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Arch of Reunification
| image         = File:Monument-to-National-Reunification-2014.jpg
| blurb         = The '''[[Arch of Reunification]]''' (pictured) in [[North Korea]] is demolished.
| altblurb      = The [[North Korea]]n government demolishes the '''[[Arch of Reunification]]''' (pictured).
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/north-korea-tears-down-monument-symbolizing-union-with-south-report-2024-01-23/ Reuters], [https://www.forbes.com/sites/zacharyfolk/2024/01/23/north-korean-reunification-monument-goes-missing-as-kim-jong-un-escalates-rivalry-with-south/ Forbes], [https://www.nknews.org/2024/01/north-korea-demolishes-symbolic-unification-arch-satellite-imagery-suggests/ NK News] 
| updated       = yes
| nominator     = Brandmeister <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator       = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}} Demolished  some time between 19 and 23 January, but reported today. Rather a historical move, regardless of further developments. [[User:Brandmeister|Brandmeister]]<sup>[[User talk:Brandmeister|talk]]</sup>   21:10, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

:'''Support''' - somewhat well known landmark, but also comes as North Korea has publicly ruled out reunification with the South. Regardless of how well known the arch was, it is very <s>mucus </s> much emblematic of a big shift in Korea. — [[User:Knightoftheswords281|<span style="background:black; color:white; padding:2px;">'''Knightof'''</span>]][[User talk:Knightoftheswords281|<span style="background:#70c6ff; color:black; padding:2px;">'''theswords'''</span>]] 22:17, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
::{{small|very mucus?? oh no, it snot!! [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 22:44, 23 January 2024 (UTC)}}
::I'm a little confused because, from what I've seen, North Korea still wants the reunification of the entire peninsula, just under their rule and without the existence of the Republic of Korea (South Korea).  [[User:PrecariousWorlds|PrecariousWorlds]] ([[User talk:PrecariousWorlds|talk]]) 07:00, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
:::[https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-67990948 Nope], not any more; they have seemingly abandoned reunification. — [[User:Knightoftheswords281|<span style="background:black; color:white; padding:2px;">'''Knightof'''</span>]][[User talk:Knightoftheswords281|<span style="background:#70c6ff; color:black; padding:2px;">'''theswords'''</span>]] 15:38, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
::::I believe what the editor is referring to is reunification in the sense of {{tq|the country's constitution should reflect the issue of "occupying", "recapturing" and "incorporating" the South into its territory}} (from the article you linked). i.e., southern territory ''reunified'' with northern territory unilaterally under the DPRK alongside the state extinction of the ROK. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 16:14, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
:::::I was, thanks. I guess this is just the end of any hope of peaceful resolution to the conflict, not that there was much in the first place. [[User:PrecariousWorlds|PrecariousWorlds]] ([[User talk:PrecariousWorlds|talk]]) 09:11, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Oppose'''. I don't  see the significance. From article — "It was opened in August 2001 to commemorate Korean reunification proposals put forward by Kim Il Sung" — so it isn't even a historical monument, it only existed for around twenty years, and it wasn't made to commemorate an event or some real steps. Just proposals.
:The reunification being ruled out is not a major event, it's the reality what everyone understands. During the years of division, North Korea has become increasingly isolated, and South Korea is now of the most technologically advanced countries. Purely local event. No reunification was possible before public statements, they don't change anything, no blurb. [[User:BilboBeggins|Kirill C1]] ([[User talk:BilboBeggins|talk]]) 22:35, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

:'''Oppose'''. Look, I understand the significance of the message being sent, but this is essentially, “tyrant has temper tantrum, tears down twenty year-old thing that his dad built,” vibe to me. [[User:RPH|RPH]] ([[User talk:RPH|talk]]) 01:32, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Support on notability''' but the article quality needs improvement. --[[User:MtPenguinMonster|MtPenguinMonster]] ([[User talk:MtPenguinMonster|talk]]) 07:13, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Conditional support.''' Regardless of how insignificant any NK threats of launching spy satellites and boosting the nuclear arsenal are, this is something of a symbol that was ordered demolished in concert with inscribing South Korea as the primary foe in the constitution. So there's something to it. Casual mention of NK support for russkee criminal acts in the Ukraine. --[[User:Ouro|Ouro]] <small>([[User_talk:Ouro|blah blah]])</small> 08:50, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
*:I don't think referring to Russians using [[Russki|an ethic slur]] is appropriate for Wikipedia and I think that you should strike it. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 08:59, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
*::Not the biggest deal. [[User:PrecariousWorlds|PrecariousWorlds]] ([[User talk:PrecariousWorlds|talk]]) 16:58, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
*:::That's a little astonishing to read. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 18:21, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
*::::Its designation as a slur on that article seems dubious, source used doesn't refer to it as such (and many others state it's simply a term for 'ethnic Russian' without negative [https://www.rbth.com/education/331387-russian-meaning subtext]), though I can see how it may be offensive. Still, pointless discussion to have here, I raised the topic at the article talk page. [[User:PrecariousWorlds|PrecariousWorlds]] ([[User talk:PrecariousWorlds|talk]]) 19:43, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
::I acknowledge Your opposition to my honest and open usage of this term. --[[User:Ouro|Ouro]] <small>([[User_talk:Ouro|blah blah]])</small> 09:54, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' per the fact that what's significant (if anything) is the end of any pretense of reuinification, not the demolition of a 22-year-old monument to it. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 09:02, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' Clearly some sort of symbolic gesture from Kim Jong Un, but we've really no idea what that is. Currently not significant enough. [[User:Nigej|Nigej]] ([[User talk:Nigej|talk]]) 10:06, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Tentative Oppose''' I have to oppose this for the moment simply because it would contradict what the article currently says, that the demolition hasn't been independently verified. IF it is confirmed, I might reconsider. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.5em 0.5em 0.6em;"> '''[[User:The C of E|<span style="color:red;">The C of E </span><span style="color:blue;"> God Save the King!</span>]]''' ([[User talk:The C of E|<span style="color:darkblue;">talk</span>]])</span> 10:58, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
:* '''Support''' - I think the wider geopolitics concerns about North Korea tend to be underplayed, and this act is symbolic for much of Asia.
:[[User:Arind8|Arind8]] ([[User talk:Arind8|talk]]) 11:01, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Big picture''' See ''[https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-68052515 Is North Korea's leader actually considering war?]'' in which the demolition is seen as part of a plan for war.  Or is it just sabre-rattling?  The experts are divided so we may need to wait for further developments. [[user:Andrew Davidson|Andrew]]🐉([[user talk:Andrew Davidson|talk]]) 11:26, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' - This isn't making the news, has no wider repercussions ''in itself'', whether or not it's symbolic of a change in the direction of the NK leadership, and just isn't that big a deal. [[User:GenevieveDEon|GenevieveDEon]] ([[User talk:GenevieveDEon|talk]]) 11:35, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
*:'''Oppose''' - Per above [[User:PrecariousWorlds|PrecariousWorlds]] ([[User talk:PrecariousWorlds|talk]]) 16:59, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' if it's a sign of future issues, then those future issues could be posted here if and when they become ITN worthy. But this one event is not ITN worthy in itself. [[User:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b>]][[User talk:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#000000">2302</b>]] ([[User talk:Joseph2302|talk]]) 16:17, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' may be a harbinger of ITN-worthy developments, but is not ITN-worthy in its own right. [[User:Lepricavark|L<small>EPRICAVARK</small>]] ([[User talk:Lepricavark#top|<small>talk</small>]]) 16:53, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' It's a significant landmark, and significant to North Korea. We would support the dismantling of The Eiffel Tower or the Washington Monument, this is no different; maybe even more symbolic as it symbolises a geopolitical aspiration. [[User:Abcmaxx|Abcmaxx]] ([[User talk:Abcmaxx|talk]]) 18:42, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
::*I am not North Korean, but associating this arch to the Eiffel Tower or the Washington Monument seems facetious. I am doubtful that it rises to that level of significance as a monument / landmark. [[User:Natg 19|Natg 19]] ([[User talk:Natg 19|talk]]) 19:48, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
::*Aside from the many more years and much more publicity those two have, many American and French people actually read this culturally significant and geopolitically aspirational site, and might reasonably expect to see us write something about such hypothetical news. I, for one, oppose their destruction. Not opposing this nom, just saying. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 20:08, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' While an argument could be made that it is notable that, as said in the article, Kim Jong Un is denouncing the goal of reunification, the demolition of the arch itself doesn't seem to have any impact. At the very least, no impact is listed in the article.[[User:2G0o2De0l|2G0o2De0l]] ([[User talk:2G0o2De0l|talk]]) 22:09, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' due to notability. --[[User:NoonIcarus|NoonIcarus]] ([[User talk:NoonIcarus|talk]]) 02:18, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' on notability due to the significance of the landmark. [[User:Editor 5426387|Editor 5426387]] ([[User talk:Editor 5426387|talk]]) 13:56, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per all above. [[User:Alsoriano97|_-_Alsor]] ([[User talk:Alsoriano97|talk]]) 16:35, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Propaganda monument torn down by pouting Communist dictator. Maybe we need to update [[WP:NOT]] to include "Wikipedia is not a propaganda service for tin pot dictators trying to get attention."   -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 16:50, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
*:<nowiki>I, for one, read it the other way: barbaric demolition of a 20-year+ landmark that shouldn't go into oblivion. But anyway... ~~~~</nowiki> [[User:Brandmeister|Brandmeister]]<sup>[[User talk:Brandmeister|talk]]</sup>   17:26, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
{{abot}}

==== (Posted) RD: Charles Osgood ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Charles Osgood
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.cbsnews.com/news/charles-osgood-veteran-cbs-newsman-and-longtime-host-of-sunday-morning-dies-at-91/]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Muboshgu <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}} <!-- Additional comments go before here --> &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 20:50, 23 January 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->
*'''Support''' Article is in decent shape and pretty well referenced. I saw a handful of sentences lacking a cite, but the claims were either trivial or supported at least by implication elsewhere in the article and didn't see any point in tagging them. -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 03:15, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 03:32, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

==== (Closed) 2024 Uqturpan earthquake  ====
{{atop|Consensus to post will not develop. [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 22:18, 23 January 2024 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = 2024 Uqturpan earthquake <!-- Do not wikilink -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = A '''[[2024 Uqturpan earthquake|7.1 magnitude earthquake]]''' occurs in [[Uqturpan County]],  [[Xinjiang]], China.<!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [https://apnews.com/article/china-quake-xinjiang-kyrgyzstan-kazakhstan-48338716e604279d088a807f9770878e AP]<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Natg 19 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator       = Quake1234<!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters      = Borgenland, Dora the Axe-plorer <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}} <!-- Additional comments go before here --> 7.1 magnitude earthquake. Minimal damage so far, but notable based on the size of the quake. [[User:Natg 19|Natg 19]] ([[User talk:Natg 19|talk]]) 08:34, 23 January 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->

:'''oppose''' per “minimal damage”.  [[User:Alsoriano97|_-_Alsor]] ([[User talk:Alsoriano97|talk]]) 10:06, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
:No one's even died in this earthquake, so I '''oppose'''. [[User:Quake1234|Quake1234]] ([[User talk:Quake1234|talk]]) 10:38, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' - ITN isn't a natural disaster ticker. Good faith nom, but not notable [[User:PrecariousWorlds|PrecariousWorlds]] ([[User talk:PrecariousWorlds|talk]]) 11:26, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' not notable as per above, minimal damage and death. [[User:Editor 5426387|Editor 5426387]] ([[User talk:Editor 5426387|talk]]) 13:19, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' agreeing with the sentiments above  <small> ✈</small> [[User:mike_gigs|mike_gigs]] <sup>[[User talk:mike_gigs|talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/mike_gigs|contribs]]</sub> 14:16, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

:'''Oppose '''no one died [[User:Setarip|Setarip]] ([[User talk:Setarip|talk]]) 14:17, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
::But the casualties have been updated, that 3 peoples died. Are you still going to oppose? [[User:Bakhos2010|Bakhos2010]] ([[User talk:Bakhos2010|talk]]) 15:52, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
:::Three unfortunate deaths, but too few to be ITN-interesting.  [[User:Alsoriano97|_-_Alsor]] ([[User talk:Alsoriano97|talk]]) 16:11, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
* Oppose - The region where the earthquake took place was somewhat rural and had minimal impact on humanity. [[User:CollationoftheWilling|CollationoftheWilling]] ([[User talk:CollationoftheWilling|talk]]) 15:34, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''&mdash;The Chinese province of Yunnan was [https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/1/22/landslide-buries-47-people-in-chinas-southwestern-yunnan-province beset by a landslide] yesterday, which resulted in the deaths of no less than 30 people. It doesn't seem like there's been any confirmation that this landslide is a direct result of the 7.1 earthquake, but if it ''does'' turn out that they are related, we should probably consolidate the two events into a single blurb. Thoughts? <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Kurtis|Kurtis]] ([[User talk:Kurtis#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kurtis|contribs]]) 21:16, 23 January 2024 (UTC)</small>
::*Yunnan is nowhere close to Xinjiang (4000km away) so I am doubtful these are connected. [[User:Natg 19|Natg 19]] ([[User talk:Natg 19|talk]]) 21:21, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
{{Abot}}
== January 22 ==
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{{Portal:Current events/2024 January 22}}
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==== (Posted) RD: Arno Allan Penzias ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Arno Allan Penzias<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.npr.org/2024/01/24/1226572843/arno-penzias-obituary-big-bang-theory]<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Natg 19 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = Sgubaldo, Nohomersryan<!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}} <!-- Additional comments go before here --> Needs a little bit of work. [[User:Natg 19|Natg 19]] ([[User talk:Natg 19|talk]]) 23:48, 24 January 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->
*'''Comment''' - He's definitely notable enough as a Nobel-winner, but the article is still a little on the short side and some of the references may need some adjusting. [[User:Sgubaldo|Sgubaldo]] ([[User talk:Sgubaldo|talk]]) 00:22, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
:*Per [[WP:ITNRD]], any article of a recently dead subject can be posted, provided they meet quality requirements. [[User:Natg 19|Natg 19]] ([[User talk:Natg 19|talk]]) 00:35, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - Article in good enough shape. [[User:Sgubaldo|Sgubaldo]] ([[User talk:Sgubaldo|talk]]) 13:31, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 10:30, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

==== (Posted) RD: Norman Jewison ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Norman Jewison
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://variety.com/2024/film/obituaries-people-news/norman-jewison-dead-moonstruck-in-the-heat-of-the-night-1235882301/]
| updated       = yes
| nominator     = Flibirigit
| updaters      = Sunshineisles2, The One I Left, Jkaharper, TDKR Chicago 101, Bloom6132
}} Notable director, some citations still needed. [[User:Flibirigit|Flibirigit]] ([[User talk:Flibirigit|talk]]) 21:41, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
* I did not suggest a blurb when nominated, it was added later by a different user. I recommend only listed as a recent death. [[User:Flibirigit|Flibirigit]] ([[User talk:Flibirigit|talk]]) 21:55, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
* '''Support blurb'''. Very influential film director, was nominated for Oscar staggering seven times and won Thalberg Award. Won other important honours — BAFTA, David Donatello Award, Berlin Silver Bear and others. Made Fiddler on the Roof, Moonstruck, and In the Heat of the Night, the latter starring Sidney Poitier and being the staple of anti-racism work. From Guardian obit by [[Peter Bradshaw]] — "For five extraordinary decades, Norman Jewison’s film-making was the beating heart of Hollywood drama: he could do anything and supercharged it with idealism, confidence and style. Jewison has been behind an extraordinary array of classics and hits: for half the time the cinema has been in existence, Norman Jewison was the gold standard of a night at the movies." In Thomas Crown Affair and Cincinnati Kid "he invented the stylish presence of Steve McQueen"[https://www.theguardian.com/film/2024/jan/22/norman-jewison-a-staggering-array-of-work-from-hollywoods-master-craftsman].  [[User:BilboBeggins|Kirill C1]] ([[User talk:BilboBeggins|talk]]) 17:07, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
* '''Oppose blurb'''. This is exactly what RD is for. He was nothing like important enough for the blurb. [[User:Nigej|Nigej]] ([[User talk:Nigej|talk]]) 17:09, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
:*{{re|Nigej}} hope you can take another look (for RD only, of course).—[[User:Bloom6132|Bloom6132]] ([[User talk:Bloom6132|talk]]) 03:36, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*<s>'''Not Ready''' for the [[WP:CITE|usual reason]].</s> Oppose blurb. He was a significant figure but not Cecil B DeMille. Once the article is up to scratch RD is fine. -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 05:02, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
:*{{re|Ad Orientem}} hope you can take another look.—[[User:Bloom6132|Bloom6132]] ([[User talk:Bloom6132|talk]]) 03:36, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
::*'''Support''' Much improved. Article is in very good condition. Marking as ready. -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 03:48, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support RD''' – article is well-referenced and meets minimum depth of coverage for ITN after my edits. —[[User:Bloom6132|Bloom6132]] ([[User talk:Bloom6132|talk]]) 03:36, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted'''—[[User:Bagumba|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba|talk]]) 04:13, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

==== (Posted) RD: Gigi Riva ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Gigi Riva
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.repubblica.it/sport/calcio/2024/01/22/news/gigi_riva_morto_calcio_italiano-421949688/ la Repubblica]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Martin Mystère <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}} Considered to be one of the best players of his generation, as well as one of the greatest strikers of all time. --[[User:Martin Mystère|Martin Mystère]] ([[User talk:Martin Mystère|talk]]) 19:47, 22 January 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->
*'''Support''' most definitely, as a fellow Italian! I must address, though, that the "[[Gigi_Riva#Club_career|Club career]]" section needs to be cleaned up of some really sketchy sourcing: I hope I'll be able to help myself. Still, what a terrible loss... [[User:Oltrepier|Oltrepier]] ([[User talk:Oltrepier|talk]]) 21:08, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - heavily sourced!  <small> ✈</small> [[User:mike_gigs|mike_gigs]] <sup>[[User talk:mike_gigs|talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/mike_gigs|contribs]]</sub> 14:10, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - Looks good enough to me. [[User:Nigej|Nigej]] ([[User talk:Nigej|talk]]) 17:10, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 22:20, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

==== (Posted) RD: Dexter King ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Dexter King
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/22/us/dexter-king-death-martin-luther/index.html CNN] [https://apnews.com/article/dexter-scott-king-dies-son-martin-luther-king-4ac3c27382771b0ff26cd340918f5a16 Associated Press]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Roc0ast3r <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}} American activist and youngest son of [[Martin Luther King Jr.]] <span style="font-family:georgia;display:inline-block;transform:skew(-13deg)">'''[[User:Roc0ast3r|<span style="background:#000;color:#fff">&nbsp;RONIN </span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Roc0ast3r|<span style="color:#000">TALK</span>]]&nbsp;'''</span> 19:10, 22 January 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->
*'''Support''' - A few bits still need citations (working on it). [[User:Funcrunch|Funcrunch]] ([[User talk:Funcrunch|talk]]) 21:37, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - article looks much better than it did earlier. Good enough to go now I think  <small> ✈</small> [[User:mike_gigs|mike_gigs]] <sup>[[User talk:mike_gigs|talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/mike_gigs|contribs]]</sub> 14:09, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 22:44, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

====(Posted) Ram Mandir====
{{Contentious topics/talk notice|topic=ipa}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Ram Mandir
| image         = Ram Mandir, Ayodhya.png
| blurb         = '''[[Ram Mandir]]''' is [[Prana Pratishtha|consecrated]]  at '''[[Ram Janmabhoomi]]''' at [[Ayodhya]] in [[India]].
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR          = no
| altblurb      = '''[[Ram Mandir]]''' is [[Prana Pratishtha|consecrated]]  at the '''[[Ayodhya dispute|disputed]]''' '''[[Ram Janmabhoomi]]''' at [[Ayodhya]] in [[India]].
| altblurb2     = The '''[[Ram Mandir]]''' temple is [[Prana Pratishtha|consecrated]] at the [[Ayodhya dispute|disputed]] ''[[Ram Janmabhoomi]]'' in [[Ayodhya]], India.
| altblurb3     = A '''[[Ram Mandir|temple to Rama]]''' ''(pictured)'' is [[Prana Pratishtha|consecrated]] at his [[Ayodhya dispute|disputed]] [[Ram Janmabhoomi|birthplace]] in India.
| altblurb4     = A '''[[Ram Mandir|temple to Rama]]''' ''(pictured)'' is [[Prana Pratishtha|consecrated]] at his [[Ram Janmabhoomi|birthplace]] in India.
| sources = [https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/ram-temple-mandir-ayodhya-consecration-ceremony-modi-january-22-2024/article67761881.ece ''Hindu''] [https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/ayodhya-ram-mandir-inauguration-full-schedule-of-temple-pran-pratishtha-ceremony-today-101705886059105.html ''Hindustan Times''] [https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/ayodhya-ram-mandir-news-live-updates-ram-temple-consecration-ceremony-pran-pratistha-january-22-ram-janmbhoomi-pm-modi/liveblog/107020817.cms '' Times of India''] [https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/india-lord-ram-temple-ayodhya-narendra-modi-rcna134654 ''NBC''] [https://edition.cnn.com/videos/world/2024/01/21/exp-ram-mandir-vedika-sud-012101aseg2-cnni-world.cnn ''CNN''] [https://edition.cnn.com/2024/01/20/asia/ayodhyas-muslims-anxiety-ram-temple-inauguration-intl-hnk/index.html ''CNN''] [https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-68030712 ''BBC''] [https://www.independent.co.uk/asia/india/ayodhya-ram-mandir-inauguration-india-election-2024-b2480692.html ''Independent''] [https://www.reuters.com/world/india/what-are-contentious-events-behind-indias-new-ram-temple-2024-01-21/ ''Reuters''] [https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-01-21/modi-to-inaugurate-major-hindu-temple-in-milestone-for-india ''Bloomberg''] [https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2024-01-18/india-s-ayodhya-ram-temple-symbolizes-modi-s-hindu-policies ''Bloomberg''] [https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/01/21/india-election-temple-modi-mosque-bjp/87927412-b81b-11ee-b285-0853d4d1b92f_story.html ''Washington Post''] [https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/01/17/india-temple-hinduism-modi-ayodhya-ram-mandir/66005f2a-b4f7-11ee-b285-0853d4d1b92f_story.html ''Washington Post] [https://foreignpolicy.com/2024/01/17/ram-mandir-temple-inauguration-modi-india-elections/ ''Foreign Policy''] [https://www.wsj.com/world/india/will-modis-new-temple-unite-hindus-but-divide-india-edc812ac ''Wall Street Journal''] [https://www.wsj.com/articles/modi-ayodhya-and-the-fall-of-nehrus-secular-temple-election-sectarian-religious-strife-092f43a8 ''Wall Street Journal''] [https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/religious-spectacle-to-mark-opening-of-ram-temple-by-indias-modi ''Strait Times''] [https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/22/world/asia/india-ram-temple-ayodhya.html ''New York Times''] [https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/22/world/asia/modi-india-ram-temple.html ''New York Times''] [https://www.rfi.fr/en/international/20240121-india-s-modi-to-inaugurate-temple-built-on-rubble-of-16th-century-mosque ''RFI''] [https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2024/1/22/might-get-worse-as-modi-unveils-ram-temple-indian-muslims-fear-future ''Al Jazeera''] [https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2024/1/20/popcorn-and-curfew-india-gets-ready-for-ram-temple-with-frenzy-and-fear ''Al Jazeera'']
| updated       = no
| nominator     = theTigerKing <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator       = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}} Needs some updating post it's actual consecration that happens in exact 4 hours from now 
Significant religious event that marks the culmination of long drawn movement to build the Ram temple in India. It's history has been mired in long drawn legal battles that has spanned over more than 200 years in 2019. Hailed as an event of lifetime for the fellow Indians, was also a political movement for many organizations based out of India. Has been covered in epic proportion by the media  from all around the world. <span style="background:#F59801; padding:2px;"><font color="white">Regards, </font></span><span style="background:#006B54; padding:2px;">'''[[User:vaibhavgupta1989|<font color="white">theTigerKing</font>]]&nbsp;'''</span> 03:17, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Wait''' Once the event is completed and necessary updates are made to the article, we can put it up on ITN. [[User:Leoneix|Leoneix]] <sub>([[User talk:Leoneix|talk]])</sub> 05:05, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
::'''Support''' to Alt blurb and alt blurb 3. [[User:Leoneix|Leoneix]] <sub>([[User talk:Leoneix|talk]])</sub> 04:19, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
*We posted the court decision to allow the building, and also the start of the building.  [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 05:25, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Support''' - It has been inaugurated. Interesting story that I hadn't heard of until now [[User:PrecariousWorlds|PrecariousWorlds]] ([[User talk:PrecariousWorlds|talk]]) 08:49, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Needs work''' To understand the significance, see ''[https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/22/world/asia/india-ram-temple-ayodhya.html Why India’s New Ram Temple Is So Important]''.  But the main article has future tense statements which may now be in the past or present.  And the proposed blurbs try to cram in too many links to other articles.  But none of them have the essential English word "temple" which is needed as context for the general reader.  An image is needed too but I'm adding one now. [[user:Andrew Davidson|Andrew]]🐉([[user talk:Andrew Davidson|talk]]) 09:03, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Support''' per above; I have also added another altblurb taking into account Andrew Davidson's comment as well as ITN wikilink conventions. [[User:DecafPotato|DecafPotato]] ([[User talk:DecafPotato|talk]]) 10:14, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
::Mandir and temple mean the same <span style="background:#F59801; padding:2px;"><font color="white">Regards, </font></span><span style="background:#006B54; padding:2px;">'''[[User:vaibhavgupta1989|<font color="white">theTigerKing</font>]]&nbsp;'''</span> 15:19, 22 January 2024 (UTC) 10:30, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
:::Yes, however "Mandir" may be unfamiliar to the general English-speaking audience expected on the front page of Wikipedia. [[User:DecafPotato|DecafPotato]] ([[User talk:DecafPotato|talk]]) 22:56, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Opposition by formality''' We have already posted the groundbreaking ceremony in August 2020. No need to post its inauguration. [[User:Alsoriano97|_-_Alsor]] ([[User talk:Alsoriano97|talk]]) 11:01, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support on notability''' The inauguration itself is massively important, and the fact that we posted about it 4 years ago doesn't mean it isn't in the news today. [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#947E00">Chaotıċ<span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:30deg;color:indigo">Enby</span></span>]]([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|contribs]]) 11:12, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

:'''Support Altblurb3''' I think it's the clearest at explaining the importance of the event to a global audience. --[[User:MtPenguinMonster|MtPenguinMonster]] ([[User talk:MtPenguinMonster|talk]]) 04:59, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
:* Is it Ram Mandir or "The Ram Mandir"? The article has "The Ram Mandir" but the blurb just has "Ram Mandir." [[User:QueensanditsCrazy|QueensanditsCrazy]] ([[User talk:QueensanditsCrazy|talk]]) 14:34, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
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* '''Support''' - This is a major symbolic topic for Hindus and has been a major agenda in politics for many years, with the version of''' "Ram Mandir is consecrated at Ayodhya in India."''' I oppose using the "dispute" word because it's too unclear as to what is actually disputed because it's no worse than Temple Mount in Jerusalem which is ''actually'' disputed, and the argument in this debate seems to be more about how to apply property law to the site. [[User:CollationoftheWilling|CollationoftheWilling]] ([[User talk:CollationoftheWilling|talk]]) 12:31, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
:* There seem to be several disputes including:
::# Was this really the birth place of [[Rama]]?
::# Is his name Ram or Rama?
::# The exact history of the site and its previous mosque/temples
::# The credit for making this happen
::# The implications of the event – is this the [[Ram Rajya]]?
::# On Wikipedia the topic is subject to [[WP:ARBIP]] sanctions and especially [[WP:ECP|extended confirmed protection]].  So, the opinions of new editors should perhaps be discounted.
:: [[user:Andrew Davidson|Andrew]]🐉([[user talk:Andrew Davidson|talk]]) 13:44, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
::* His name is Rama if transliterated from Sanskrit and Ram if transliterated from Hindi. See the third paragraph of this page: [[Schwa deletion in Indo-Aryan languages]]. --[[Special:Contributions/84.252.98.62|84.252.98.62]] ([[User talk:84.252.98.62|talk]]) 14:20, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
::*:So, what does that make it in English?  Currently, the English-language Wikipedia is going with [[Rama]], just like  [[Krishna]] and [[Yoga]]. [[user:Andrew Davidson|Andrew]]🐉([[user talk:Andrew Davidson|talk]]) 14:46, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
::::: In my experience, Ram, Krishan, Yog is more common in North India while Rama, Krishna, Yoga is more common in South India (specifically Dravidian language speakers) and in Europe/US. --[[Special:Contributions/84.252.98.62|84.252.98.62]] ([[User talk:84.252.98.62|talk]]) 15:03, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
:::::: The questions asked seems to relevant (Ram or Rama and so on ); either we declare them in the beginning and use them consistently thereafter to mantain the flow and avoid confusion to the readers of the articles.<span style="background:#F59801; padding:2px;"><font color="white">Regards, </font></span><span style="background:#006B54; padding:2px;">'''[[User:vaibhavgupta1989|<font color="white">theTigerKing</font>]]&nbsp;'''</span> 15:19, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
:::::::Also I would also add that "Rama" seems to be the most common in East Asia and South East Asia as well. In fact I have always heard the term as Rama and not Ram except in the context of the Ram Temple. [[User:CollationoftheWilling|CollationoftheWilling]] ([[User talk:CollationoftheWilling|talk]]) 17:53, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
:::Why is this related to India vs Pakistan? There was a mosque on the site but that's related to Indian Muslims. Indian Muslims don't identify any more with Pakistanis than they do with Persians or Arabs, similar to Indonesians relationship with Arabs. [[User:CollationoftheWilling|CollationoftheWilling]] ([[User talk:CollationoftheWilling|talk]]) 16:57, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
::::India/Pakistan/Afghanistan as a whole is designated as a CTOP, regardless  of whether this article has anything to do with more than one. [[User:The Kip|<span style="color:#333f42;">'''The'''</span>]] [[User talk:The Kip|<span style="color:#b4975a;">'''Kip'''</span>]] 18:38, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
:::1. You could make a similar argument about anything related to history, mythology and religion. The original use of Stonehenge is disputed for example. Did Jesus exist? etc...
:::2. Ram and Rama are the same word. It's no difference to Jesus and Yesus.
:::3. Scientifically there is no dispute about what was there. As to who should be allowed to use it is a case for property law.
:::4. I think there is virtually no dispute about who is taking credit for this in the eyes of the Indian public; the right wing is viewed as supporting the Mandir and the left wing as opposing the Mandir.
:::5. There is no discussion about the Ram Rajya. It's seen as a milestone in the political conflict between Hindus and Muslims, and the aftermath of removing the negatives of colonialism for the Hindu side.
:::6. This is more related to the Hindu - Muslim conflict than anything to do with Pakistan. Rama is important for Buddhists and Jains to, and is widely understood in countries like Nepal, Burma and Sri Lanka. Pakistan should not have a big say in this article. [[User:CollationoftheWilling|CollationoftheWilling]] ([[User talk:CollationoftheWilling|talk]]) 17:10, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
{{hab}}
:'''Comment'''Would rather not recommend the word "dispute" in the blurb considering it has been "resolved" by the final authority which is the Supreme Court of India and "Accepted to" by all the parties involved. Period! <span style="background:#F59801; padding:2px;"><font color="white">Regards, </font></span><span style="background:#006B54; padding:2px;">'''[[User:vaibhavgupta1989|<font color="white">theTigerKing</font>]]&nbsp;'''</span> 15:19, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Support the alt blurbs''' Surely the news here is the "dispute", otherwise I don't see this as any different to any other temple/church/whatever opening around the world. [[User:Nigej|Nigej]] ([[User talk:Nigej|talk]]) 16:13, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' - The main article was super unstable and is currently under full protection due to persistent editwarring and content dispute. Multiple discussions are underway right now for the resolutions. [[User:The Herald|The Herald (Benison)]] ([[User talk:The Herald|talk]]) 17:38, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' to the "Alternative blurb". The event is notable on its own despite we posting about the groundbreaking 3 years ago. But the full protection on the page makes it difficult to copy edit it. §§[[User:Dharmadhyaksha|<i style="color:#E0115F"><b>Dharmadhyaksha</b></i>]]§§ <small>{[[User talk:Dharmadhyaksha|Talk]] / [[Special:Contributions/Dharmadhyaksha|Edits]]}</small> 17:43, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' as per nom, the consecration ceremony was completed. [[User:Thewikizoomer|Thewikizoomer]] ([[User talk:Thewikizoomer|talk]]) 17:44, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Support, per above. This has received significant coverage and is definitely notable. Article needs minor updates but don't see anything that should prevent us from posting. [[User:Schwinnspeed|Schwinnspeed]] ([[User talk:Schwinnspeed|talk]]) 18:09, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Support''' blurb 1, but should it be "The Ram Mandir" not "Ram Mandir"? Not sure. [[User:QueensanditsCrazy|QueensanditsCrazy]] ([[User talk:QueensanditsCrazy|talk]]) 18:20, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' Would recommend NOT posting Alt Blurb 3. The original blurb or Alt. blurb 2 would suffice - the land itself is the reason behind the long and ongoing dispute. The way Alt Blurb 3 reads, it oversimplifies the dispute by narrowing it down to a single argument (ie., whether its his birthplace or not) [[User:Schwinnspeed|Schwinnspeed]] ([[User talk:Schwinnspeed|talk]]) 22:34, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
* '''Support Altblurb1 or 2''' The construction of Ram's Temple is internationally defined by how it was hotly contested for decades, highlighted by how many articles covering this ceremony discussed it to various lengths. To downplay or ignore it is ludicrous and (ironically) pretty biased. [[User:Mount Patagonia|<span style="color: #BA0000">Mount Patagonia</span>]] ([[User talk:Mount Patagonia|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mount Patagonia|contributions]]) 21:01, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
* '''Support Altblurb2''' I'm unfamiliar with a lot of Indian current events, so I'm not the best judge of notability, but from my brief look at the article, I think it deserves a place in ITN. I specifically support Alt2 because it specifies what type of site it is to the uninitiated (yes, it's repetitive for people familiar for the topic) and it also mentions that the birthplace is disputed. [[user:HistoryTheorist|<span style="font-family:Courier;color:#2F7E98">❤History</span>]][[User talk:HistoryTheorist|<span style="font-family:Courier;color:lightpurple">Theorist❤</span>]] 00:39, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support Alt3''' It is short, acknowledges the question on the site's history but without touching onto anything overly controversial. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 05:06, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support Alt3''' , given the immense coverage in news and article receiving over a million views in just a span of a week. [https://pageviews.wmcloud.org/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&redirects=0&range=latest-30&pages=Ram_Mandir]<span style="font-family:'Forte';">[[User:Ratnahastin|<span style="color:#d93634;">Ratnahastin</span>]] ([[User talk:Ratnahastin|talk]])</span> 05:27, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support Blurb''', i.e. {{tq|'''[[Ram Mandir]]''' is [[Prana Pratishtha|consecrated]]  at '''[[Ram Janmabhoomi]]''' at [[Ayodhya]] in [[India]].}} The dispute ceased to exist after Supreme Court ruling. Even the legal parties don't call it a dispute any longer after they got alternative land for mosque. '''[[User:Shaan Sengupta|<span style="text-shadow:grey 1px 1px 1px;"><span style="color:#FF7518;">ShaanSengupta</span></span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Shaan Sengupta|<span style="text-shadow:grey 1px 1px 1px;"><i style="color:#FF7518;">Talk</i></span>]]</sup>''' 05:36, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support ALT2'''. [[User:AryKun|AryKun]] ([[User talk:AryKun|talk]]) 05:55, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Blurb, main one. Satisfies ITN and other guidelines; no longer a disputed site since the SC verdict. --[[User:Rsrikanth05|Rsrikanth05]] ([[User talk:Rsrikanth05|talk]]) 10:04, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' ALT3, as this is the clearest. The blurb should explain why it's disputed, but the event is definitely noteworthy and in the news enough. [[User:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b>]][[User talk:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#000000">2302</b>]] ([[User talk:Joseph2302|talk]]) 10:12, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
*I think '''Alt3''' is likely the most appropriate and concise. The article on the dispute itself seems to me to be detailed and of high-quality. Bolding [[Ram Janmabhoomi]] would be appropriate if that article had been more thoroughly updated, but it isn't. ~[[User:Maplestrip|<span style="color:#005080">Maplestrip/Mable</span>]] ([[User talk:Maplestrip|<span style="color:#700090">chat</span>]]) 10:56, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''', but we need to include that it was constructed on the site of a mosque destroyed by rioters - absent that background it would not be receiving the level of international coverage it is receiving. [[User:BilledMammal|BilledMammal]] ([[User talk:BilledMammal|talk]]) 11:00, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support Alt or Alt2, not the original blurb or Alt3''' As BilledMammal says above, unless we mention the extremely controversial aspect of it being built, the reader has no idea why the story is prominent in the news at all (because it wouldn't really be that important). [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 11:16, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' It feels like the landmark event for India's descent into religious fascism. Must be why it's getting worldwide interest. I am not happy with any of the blurbs. I would suggest people who know good English and good blurb turn the following into a something usable: '''Ram Mandir is consecrated at the site of the demolished Babri Mosque at Ayodhya in India.''' '''[[User:Usedtobecool|Usedtobecool]]'''&nbsp;[[User talk:Usedtobecool|☎️]] 11:28, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support Alt1 or Alt2''' These blurbs do the best job of describing the dispute. [[User:Blaylockjam10|Blaylockjam10]] ([[User talk:Blaylockjam10|talk]]) 12:48, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' The addition of the word - '''once disputed'''  should solve the discussion and will also be aligned with the status quo. <span style="background:#F59801; padding:2px;"><font color="white">Regards, </font></span><span style="background:#006B54; padding:2px;">'''[[User:vaibhavgupta1989|<font color="white">theTigerKing</font>]]&nbsp;'''</span> 13:24, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
:* "Once disputed" suggests it isn't disputed any more, which is clearly not the case. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 14:57, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' altblurb with the suggestion that we change it to "Ram Mandir is consecrated  at the disputed ''site'' Ram Janmabhoomi at Ayodhya in India"  <small> ✈</small> [[User:mike_gigs|mike_gigs]] <sup>[[User talk:mike_gigs|talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/mike_gigs|contribs]]</sub> 14:15, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' the thing that makes this notable is the demolition of the mosque and the involvement of Indian political parties in it. Any blurb needs to mention and link to the demolition of the mosque as well. [[User:Secretlondon|Secretlondon]] ([[User talk:Secretlondon|talk]]) 15:30, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 22:44, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' I know hindi language so I can easily spell ''Mandir'' and ''Janmabhoomi'', But large number of readers might not be able to do so. I feel that english translations, ''Temple'' and ''birthplace'' should be used. -- [[User:Parnaval|Parnaval]] ([[User talk:Parnaval|talk]]) 11:46, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
*:[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:In_the_news&diff=prev&oldid=1198616134 Done] with respect to "temple". Not sure about "birthplace", because that is a matter of faith and would not make sense in context. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:Sandstein|<span style="color:white;background:blue;font-family:sans-serif;">''' Sandstein '''</span>]]</span></small> 16:01, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
== January 21 ==
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==== (Posted) RD: Roger Rogerson  ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Roger Rogerson<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = https://www.smh.com.au/national/corrupt-former-police-officer-roger-rogerson-dead-at-83-20240119-p5eyqq.html https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-01-22/former-nsw-detective-roger-rogerson-dies-aged-83/102683994 <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
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}} Australian police officer. <!-- Additional comments go before here --> [[Special:Contributions/65.94.213.53|65.94.213.53]] ([[User talk:65.94.213.53|talk]]) 08:11, 23 January 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->
*'''Oppose''' for now. Has citation needed tags on it but happy to revise my !vote once thats been sorted. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.5em 0.5em 0.6em;"> '''[[User:The C of E|<span style="color:red;">The C of E </span><span style="color:blue;"> God Save the King!</span>]]''' ([[User talk:The C of E|<span style="color:darkblue;">talk</span>]])</span> 11:00, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' think this is adequate for RD now. [[User:Ollieisanerd|<span style="font-weight: bold; background-color: #007FFF; color: #98FB98;">Ollieisanerd</span>]] ([[User talk:Ollieisanerd|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ollieisanerd|contribs]]) 23:11, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
* '''Posted'''. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 12:36, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
== January 20 ==
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==== (Posted) RD: Gerd Uecker ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Gerd Uecker
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.br-klassik.de/aktuell/news-kritik/gerd-uecker-gestorben-nachruf-intendant-musikpaedagoge-bayerische-staatsoper-semperoper-100.html BR] (in German)
| updated       = yes
| nominator     = Gerda Arendt
| updaters      = Gerda Arendt
| creator       = LouisAlain 
}} He managed two great German opera houses, the [[Semperoper]] in difficult times. The article was almost there, but without references. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 15:04, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

I noticed that he died late. His death became known 20 January. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 21:45, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Weak support''' Wish there was additional detail about his roles in the Bavarian State Opera to provide more depth, similar to what is in the article about his career at Semperoper but meets minimum standards and is referenced. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082529">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T•</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">C</span>]]</sup> 09:52, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
*: If there's a source for Munich details someone could add it. I'm on vacation. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 08:38, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*Uncited date of birth. '''[[User:Schwede66|<span style="color: #000000;">Schwede</span>]][[User talk:Schwede66|<span style="color: #FF4500;">66</span>]]''' 04:40, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*: repeated in the body now - I'm on vacation.  --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 08:38, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Strong Support''' Good enough for a work in progress but getting late for a "recent" death. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 09:15, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 10:27, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

==== RD: Piedad Córdoba ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Piedad Córdoba
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
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| nominator     = NoonIcarus <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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}} Prominent Colombian politician: deputy between 1992 and 1994, senator between 1994 to 2010, and presidential candidate in 2018. --[[User:NoonIcarus|NoonIcarus]] ([[User talk:NoonIcarus|talk]]) 03:02, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
* There are currently two "citation needed" templates that should be resolved before posting. [[Special:Contributions/70.181.1.68|70.181.1.68]] ([[User talk:70.181.1.68|talk]]) 17:09, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' There are several uncited passages and even whole sections. '''[[User:Schwede66|<span style="color: #000000;">Schwede</span>]][[User talk:Schwede66|<span style="color: #FF4500;">66</span>]]''' 04:38, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
* Quite a bit of footnote-deficient prose. Please add more REFs. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 13:22, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

==== (Posted) RD: David L. Mills ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = David L. Mills
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/01/inventor-of-ntp-protocol-that-keeps-time-on-billions-of-devices-dies-at-age-85/]
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| nominator     = BreMea <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = Xibe<!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}} David Mills, creator of NTP, among many other internet things. This is my first time nominating, so apologies if I missed something.<!-- Additional comments go before here --> [[User:BreMea|BreMea]] ([[User talk:BreMea|talk]]) 20:00, 20 January 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->

:'''Wait''' The article is in generally good quality, but has a couple of cns. It should be good to post once the cns are dealt with. --[[User:MtPenguinMonster|MtPenguinMonster]] ([[User talk:MtPenguinMonster|talk]]) 00:23, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Support''' - Well-sourced article of decent quality. [[User:Bucket of sulfuric acid|Bucket of sulfuric acid]] ([[User talk:Bucket of sulfuric acid|talk]]) 08:10, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' I'd like to see the lead expanded with what he's notable for, without having to add the {{tl|lead too short}} tag. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 18:01, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Has orange maintenance tag. '''[[User:Schwede66|<span style="color: #000000;">Schwede</span>]][[User talk:Schwede66|<span style="color: #FF4500;">66</span>]]''' 04:36, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*:The lede now has three sentences. Good enough to get the orange "short-lede" tag removed? --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 13:20, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' It seems like the intro is long enough now & that everything else is of sufficient quality. [[User:Blaylockjam10|Blaylockjam10]] ([[User talk:Blaylockjam10|talk]]) 18:30, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
* '''Posted'''. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 12:36, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

== January 19 ==
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==== (Posted) RD: Silent Servant ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Silent Servant
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2024-01-21/soft-moon-musician-luis-vasquez-dj-juan-mendez-found-dead-in-l-a-home LA Times]
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| nominator     =  Blaylockjam10 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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}}

Techno DJ & music producer; died alongside The Soft Moon. [[User:Blaylockjam10|Blaylockjam10]] ([[User talk:Blaylockjam10|talk]]) 23:09, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

:The person's birth date is uncited. '''[[User:Schwede66|<span style="color: #000000;">Schwede</span>]][[User talk:Schwede66|<span style="color: #FF4500;">66</span>]]''' 04:35, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
::{{Ping|Schwede66}} I added a reference for the birth date. [[User:Blaylockjam10|Blaylockjam10]] ([[User talk:Blaylockjam10|talk]]) 10:04, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 05:50, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

==== (Posted) RD: Ewa Podleś ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Ewa Podleś
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/22/arts/music/ewa-podles-dead.html TNYT]
| nominator     = Gerda Arendt <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updated       = yes
| updaters      = Gerda Arendt, Sunshineisles2
}} Legendary Polish ccloratura contralto, rare voice type, international performances and recordings. - There was a detailed article, but without using [[Großes Sängerlexikon|GSL]]. The focus was on the Metropolitan Opera where she appeare (too) soon, and then not for decades. Most old refs didn't work anymore. She made tons of recordings, none had a ref, but now only few are missing one. Someone with time can search further, but we could also drop the few without harm. I can't access TNYT, but it tells me off her status. There should be more reviews but I'm on vacation ;) --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 08:59, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 00:05, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

==== RD: Raymond Apple ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Raymond Apple (rabbi) <!-- Do not wikilink -->
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = https://www.australianjewishnews.com/rabbi-raymond-apple-passes-away-in-jerusalem/ <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
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| updaters      = SuzieMillen <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}} One of Australia's highest profile rabbis and the leading spokesman for Judaism in Australia. <!-- Additional comments go before here --> [[Special:Contributions/65.94.213.53|65.94.213.53]] ([[User talk:65.94.213.53|talk]]) 08:16, 23 January 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->

:'''Oppose''' I placed six citation needed tags. '''[[User:Schwede66|<span style="color: #000000;">Schwede</span>]][[User talk:Schwede66|<span style="color: #FF4500;">66</span>]]''' 04:30, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

==== RD: Marlena Shaw ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Marlena Shaw
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/music/story/2024-01-20/california-soul-singer-marlena-shaw-dies-at-81 Los Angeles Times], [https://www.billboard.com/music/music-news/marlena-shaw-dead-1235585900/ Billboard]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = 240D:1A:4B5:2800:292A:99E6:CD1D:8006 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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}} American singer best known for "California Soul". [[Special:Contributions/240D:1A:4B5:2800:292A:99E6:CD1D:8006|240D:1A:4B5:2800:292A:99E6:CD1D:8006]] ([[User talk:240D:1A:4B5:2800:292A:99E6:CD1D:8006|talk]]) 16:55, 21 January 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->
*'''Comment:''' Needs additional references. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082529">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T•</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">C</span>]]</sup> 09:39, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

==== (Posted) RD: Jack Burke Jr. ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Jack Burke Jr.
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.npr.org/2024/01/19/1225680719/jack-burke-jr-oldest-golf-masters-champion-dies]
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| nominator     = Muboshgu <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = Muboshgu, Nigej<!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}} Only a few unsourced comments remain, which probably shouldn't hold up posting. I'll try to plug the holes anyway.<!-- Additional comments go before here --> &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 19:37, 20 January 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->
*'''Comment''' Burke Jr. was the winner of two majors, the [[1956 Masters Tournament]], and the [[1956 PGA Championship]], and was that last living PGA winner in the Match Play era, and last winner of the Masters from the 50s. He was also the first known Major Winner to turn 100. '''Based on above, Support once fixed''' [[User:TheCorriynial|TheCorriynial]] ([[User talk:TheCorriynial|talk]]) 01:03, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
*:It should be good to go now. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 18:01, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 00:00, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

==== (Posted) RD: Mary Weiss====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Mary Weiss
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.npr.org/2024/01/19/1225771790/mary-weiss-shangri-las-death NPR ][https://au.news.yahoo.com/mary-weiss-lead-singer-shangri-035002929.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAANt4CvPGKK0jRU_ATqJulL62OqrfeupJYjLncLT-XxeIuIRfPLZJKfnJPd0gRZM_VvFkvOEMUFV3Ece31g9KsUU-XNO2LRX7ibMRlZVyOta5A3-Epm8KPC99qM4pt8GsAmxrqmy_eGo72GZ8wa1Im11V9oy5lMdjLKfdKrm67y_U Yahoo News]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Pharaoh of the Wizards <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      =<!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}}Mary Weiss, lead singer of The Shangri-Las. [[User:Pharaoh of the Wizards|Pharaoh of the Wizards]] ([[User talk:Pharaoh of the Wizards|talk]]) 05:04, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' I can't complain. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 18:30, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 23:33, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

==== (Posted) RD: Pluto Shervington ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Pluto Shervington
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://jamaica-gleaner.com/article/entertainment/20240119/ram-goat-liver-singer-pluto-shervington-has-died ''The Gleaner'']
| updated       = yes
| nominator     = Martinevans123
| updaters      = Martinevans123
}} Jamaican reggae musician, singer, engineer and producer.  [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 20:15, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
*<s>'''Weak oppose''' - Article has two minor CN tags, but overall looks to be in good shape.</s> [[User:The Kip|<span style="color:#333f42;">'''The'''</span>]] [[User talk:The Kip|<span style="color:#b4975a;">'''Kip'''</span>]] 22:16, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
**'''Support''' CN tags have been resolved, good to go. [[User:The Kip|<span style="color:#333f42;">'''The'''</span>]] [[User talk:The Kip|<span style="color:#b4975a;">'''Kip'''</span>]] 22:37, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
:<small><s>Ah yes, so it does.</s> Who could have added those. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 22:22, 19 January 2024 (UTC)</small>
*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 01:30, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

==== (Attention needed) RD: The Soft Moon ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = The Soft Moon
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://pitchfork.com/news/the-soft-moon-luis-vasquez-has-died/ Pitchfork ]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Thriley <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      =<!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}} [[User:Thriley|Thriley]] ([[User talk:Thriley|talk]]) 18:34, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

:'''Oppose''' - massive amount of uncited material. [[User:The Kip|<span style="color:#333f42;">'''The'''</span>]] [[User talk:The Kip|<span style="color:#b4975a;">'''Kip'''</span>]] 22:13, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
::It also appears that @[[User:Humanlikeu|Humanlikeu]], the article's main author, was Vasquez ''himself'' (per early edit summaries), which makes me question the article's content as a whole. It seems he never received a CoI warning. [[User:The Kip|<span style="color:#333f42;">'''The'''</span>]] [[User talk:The Kip|<span style="color:#b4975a;">'''Kip'''</span>]] 22:26, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
:::Good catch! [[User:Thriley|Thriley]] ([[User talk:Thriley|talk]]) 20:55, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' per above - article was probably edited by the subject himself, double orange tags, and quite a bit of stuff is uncited. [[User:Iamstillqw3rty|'''<span style="color:#ff6ae4">q</span><span style="color:#dc79e9">w</span><span style="color:#b987ef">3</span><span style="color:#9696f4">r</span><span style="color:#73a4fa">t</span><span style="color:#50b3ff">y</span>''']] 18:59, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' I have now found citations for a significant portion of his discography. [[User:Thriley|Thriley]] ([[User talk:Thriley|talk]]) 20:52, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

==== (Posted) Smart Lander for Investigating Moon ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Smart Lander for Investigating Moon
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = [[Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency|JAXA]]'s '''[[Smart Lander for Investigating Moon|SLIM]]''' lunar module successfully lands on the moon.
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR          = yes
| altblurb      = [[Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency|JAXA]]'s '''[[Smart Lander for Investigating Moon|SLIM]]''' lunar module successfully lands on the moon, though it struggled with solar power issues once deployed.
| altblurb2     = [[Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency|JAXA]]'s '''[[Smart Lander for Investigating Moon|SLIM]]''' lunar module successfully lands on the moon, after struggles with solar power issues.
| sources       = [https://www.cnbc.com/2024/01/19/japan-slim-lunar-lander-touches-down-on-moon.html CNBC], [https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/19/world/japan-moon-sniper-landing-mission-scn/index.html CNN]
| updated       = no
| nominator     = Masem <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator       = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}} Needs some updating [[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 16:06, 19 January 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->

*'''Support''' in principle, but the history section uses future tense for past events. That should be fixed before posting.--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 16:15, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

:'''Wait''' - Pretty tense atm. JAXA has lost contact with SLIM, we're still awaiting details... [[User:PrecariousWorlds|PrecariousWorlds]] ([[User talk:PrecariousWorlds|talk]]) 16:17, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Wait''' to know if it's past tense or pretty tense. [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#947E00">Chaotıċ<span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:30deg;color:indigo">Enby</span></span>]]([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|contribs]]) 16:25, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Wait''' I checked over and the sourcing seems good. (not just a lack of CN tags, but nothing that should merit them as well) Orange tag is about the status... For which there ''are'' no sources. So it's impossible to actually give an answer on whether it succeeded at a soft landing or not for the time being. Once JAXA provide an answer one way or the other, it can be updated to reflect this, and then would be ready to post. [[User:Nottheking|Nottheking]] ([[User talk:Nottheking|talk]]) 17:14, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Wait''' status is still unclear. JAXA will hold a conference soon. We should wait for that. [[User:Harvici|Harvici]] 17:17, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''STRONG SUPPORT''' - IT MADE IT!! Though the solar panels are pretty busted, still notable [[User:PrecariousWorlds|PrecariousWorlds]] ([[User talk:PrecariousWorlds|talk]]) 19:07, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose blurb wording''' Support in principle, but the wording of the blurb needs to reflect the solar panels/electricity issue. [[User:Nigej|Nigej]] ([[User talk:Nigej|talk]]) 20:34, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
** I don't really think we need to clarify as it was considered a successful landing, but I have given an altblurb to reflect the power issues. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 22:24, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
*:I've added a more concise altblurb --[[User:MtPenguinMonster|MtPenguinMonster]] ([[User talk:MtPenguinMonster|talk]]) 03:45, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Congratulations! A few copyedits left to fix the future tense but that should be good, and yes I agree that the blurb can be improved. [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#947E00">Chaotıċ<span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:30deg;color:indigo">Enby</span></span>]]([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|contribs]]) 21:12, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per all above. [[User:The Kip|<span style="color:#333f42;">'''The'''</span>]] [[User talk:The Kip|<span style="color:#b4975a;">'''Kip'''</span>]] 22:17, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

*'''Support blurb'''. If any more info needs be included in the blurb, the mission is more important than the minor issues to me, but I'd rather just add the mlre concise blurb. [[User:Novo Tape|Sincerely, Novo Tape]]<sup>[[User talk:Novo Tape|My Talk Page]]</sup>  23:10, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

:'''Support on notability''' Article quality is good. --[[User:MtPenguinMonster|MtPenguinMonster]] ([[User talk:MtPenguinMonster|talk]]) 03:43, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
::* Just as a note: This is [[WP:ITN/R|ITN/R]], (indicated by the green nomination box) given it covers ''"Arrival of spacecraft (to lunar orbit and beyond) at their destinations"''. Notability is automatically assumed for events like this. (which are incredibly rare; typically just one or two a year, especially given how, as we've seen of late, many spacecraft fail to even make it to the destination) [[User:Nottheking|Nottheking]] ([[User talk:Nottheking|talk]]) 05:35, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 03:54, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

==== (Posted) 2024 Bashkortostan protests ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = 2024 Bashkortostan protests
| image         =
| blurb         = '''[[2024 Bashkortostan protests|Protests]]''' break out in the [[Bashkortostan|Republic of Bashkortostan]], Russia
| recent deaths = no 
| ongoing       = yes
| ITNR          = no
| altblurb      = '''[[2024 Bashkortostan protests|Protests]]''' break out in Russia's [[Bashkortostan]] following the imprisonment of [[Fail Alsynov]]
| sources       = [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/17/hundreds-of-protesters-clash-with-police-in-russian-republic-of-bashkortostan The Guardian], [https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/18/world/europe/protests-russia-bashkortostan.html NY Times], [https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/17/europe/russia-riot-police-protest-bashkortostan-intl/index.html CNN], [https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/hundreds-protest-clash-police-russian-region-after-activist-106447342 ABC], [https://www.dw.com/en/russian-police-crack-down-on-rare-protest-in-remote-region/a-68015435 DW], [https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/crowd-protests-jailing-activist-russian-region-bashkortostan-2024-01-17/ Reuters]
| updated       = 
| nominator     = ShadZ01
| creator       = PoisonHK
| updaters      = ShadZ01, Ivannah, Lukt64, HeyElliott
}}

*'''Support''' I'm usually familiar with the places that we highlight here but [[Bashkortostan]] is new to me.  So, this item is quite encyclopædic in expanding our horizons. [[user:Andrew Davidson|Andrew]]🐉([[user talk:Andrew Davidson|talk]]) 08:14, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

:'''Neutral''' - Notability is debatable but as you say this is enyclopedic (I already knew of Bashkotostan but I didn't know they had such a large independence movement), and protests in Russia are certainly rare these days. [[User:PrecariousWorlds|PrecariousWorlds]] ([[User talk:PrecariousWorlds|talk]]) 08:34, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
::There are two independence movements actually, [[Free Idel-Ural]] and the [[Committee of Bashkir Resistance]] [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#947E00">Chaotıċ<span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:30deg;color:indigo">Enby</span></span>]]([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|contribs]]) 09:17, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
:::Is this a 'Judean People's Front' and 'People's Front of Judea' situation? [[User:PrecariousWorlds|PrecariousWorlds]] ([[User talk:PrecariousWorlds|talk]]) 19:11, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
::::Not really, the Committee of Bashkir Resistance is a Bashkir-specific organization, while Idel-Ural is an alliance of seven ethnic groups from six different republics in [[Idel-Ural|the region]], a successor to the [[Russian Civil War]]-era [[Idel-Ural State]]. The latter nominally included four ethnic groups but was mostly Tatar and Bashkir-dominated, but its modern incarnation appears to be more representative of the different peoples and aims at a EU-like confederation between the states. [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#947E00">Chaotıċ<span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:30deg;color:indigo">Enby</span></span>]]([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|contribs]]) 21:18, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
:::::Bloody hell Russia is complex. Every time I look at a map I see 5 new cultures and breakaway states I never knew about.  [[User:PrecariousWorlds|PrecariousWorlds]] ([[User talk:PrecariousWorlds|talk]]) 14:57, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

*'''Weak support''' - Seems notable enough, plus encyclopedic as noted above. The article is a little short, but that may just be because it's covering a recent event, and that can certainly be worked on. If we want to be cautious on notability, we could wait to see if it leads to something more major. [[User:Bucket of sulfuric acid|Bucket of sulfuric acid]] ([[User talk:Bucket of sulfuric acid|talk]]) 08:40, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - Definitely encyclopedic and from a place we unfortunately don't hear that much about. [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#947E00">Chaotıċ<span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:30deg;color:indigo">Enby</span></span>]]([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|contribs]]) 09:16, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Protests like this are very rare in Russia. [[User:MarioJump83|MarioJump83]] ([[User talk:MarioJump83|talk]]) 13:18, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Significant due to the rarity of such events occurring. Article will need to be expanded but overall still ITN-worthy. [[User:Editor 5426387|Editor 5426387]] ([[User talk:Editor 5426387|talk]]) 13:34, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose on quality''' there's not been any updates on the protests section since 17 January, and that section is quite thin considering it's meant to be the main details of what's been happening. [[User:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b>]][[User talk:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#000000">2302</b>]] ([[User talk:Joseph2302|talk]]) 16:32, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose on quality''' per Joseph2302, and if you're going to call the Bakshir government "corrupt" in Wikivoice it would be a really good idea to actually source that... [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 18:18, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

:'''Conditional Support''' Protests where the Russian Government actually gives in to any demands are very rare. First time this big of a protest has happened since 2022. [[User:Lukt64|Lukt64]] ([[User talk:Lukt64|talk]]) 19:40, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
::Condition is that the article quality is improved. [[User:Lukt64|Lukt64]] ([[User talk:Lukt64|talk]]) 19:45, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
:::I am one of the main editors of the article, I fully acknowledge your needs which is what me and few editors are watching closely and trying to update this article considering not a lot of people are committed to it. [[User:ShadZ01|ShadZ01]] ([[User talk:ShadZ01|talk]]) 20:12, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per above, fairly unusual event for Russia. [[User:The Kip|<span style="color:#333f42;">'''The'''</span>]] [[User talk:The Kip|<span style="color:#b4975a;">'''Kip'''</span>]] 22:19, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support on notability''' but article quality could be improved somewhat --[[User:MtPenguinMonster|MtPenguinMonster]] ([[User talk:MtPenguinMonster|talk]]) 03:47, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
*Is 1000 protestors that notable? [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 03:56, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
*:actually the article clearly states it was 10,000 [[User:Kasperquickly|Kasperquickly]] ([[User talk:Kasperquickly|talk]]) 10:32, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
*::Actually the article clearly stated 1000 when I made my comment. Now it says 5000-10000. We’ve posted protests of more than 100,000, this one is trivial. [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 11:30, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
*:In Russia? Yes  [[User:Alsoriano97|_-_Alsor]] ([[User talk:Alsoriano97|talk]]) 13:24, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
*::I beg to differ: [[2011–2013 Russian protests]], [[2017–2018 Russian protests]], [[2021 Russian protests]], and [[Anti-war protests in Russia (2022–present)]] for starters. [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 23:23, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Obviously huge deal [[User:Kasperquickly|Kasperquickly]] ([[User talk:Kasperquickly|talk]]) 10:32, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Admin note''' there's enough support to post this, but the infobox goes its own way and largely doesn't summarize the rest of the article's content. Someone needs to source and harmonize it all before I'd be comfortable posting. [[User:The ed17|Ed]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:The ed17|[talk]]]&nbsp;[[WP:OMT|[OMT]]]</sup> 20:44, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Article has been updated, clearly notable. --[[User:NoonIcarus|NoonIcarus]] ([[User talk:NoonIcarus|talk]]) 23:50, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per updates [[User:Schwinnspeed|Schwinnspeed]] ([[User talk:Schwinnspeed|talk]]) 18:19, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
*Not ready, unreferenced claims in the infobox remain. [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 23:29, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
*:'''Support on significance'''. Major event. In Russia, any number of protesters more than 50 is now notable. [[User:BilboBeggins|Kirill C1]] ([[User talk:BilboBeggins|talk]]) 11:46, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 22:19, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
== January 18 ==
{{cot|[[Portal:Current events/2024 January 18]]}}
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==== (Posted) RD: Nancy Adler ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Nancy Adler
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/18/health/policy/nancy-e-adler-death.html NY Times]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Thriley <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      =<!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}} NY Times obit published 18 January. [[User:Thriley|Thriley]] ([[User talk:Thriley|talk]]) 02:08, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support'''&mdash;Well-written with more than adequate sourcing. [[User:Kurtis|Kurtis]] [[User talk:Kurtis|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 05:03, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - Very well-sourced and overall of high quality. [[User:Bucket of sulfuric acid|Bucket of sulfuric acid]] ([[User talk:Bucket of sulfuric acid|talk]]) 08:42, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' – [[user:filelakeshoe|filelakeshoe]] ([[user talk:filelakeshoe|t]] / [[special:contributions/filelakeshoe|c]]) [[user:filelakeshoe/kocour|🐱]] 13:05, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

====(Sudan Removed) Ongoing Removal: Myanmar Civil War and War in Sudan  ====
{{atop|Sudan removed, but no consensus to remove Myanmar.  Changes to how ongoing works can be discussed elsewhere. [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 23:27, 22 January 2024 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Myanmar Civil War <!-- Do not wikilink -->
| article2      = War in Sudan (2023–present) <!-- Do not wikilink -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = rem <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = PrecariousWorlds <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator       = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}} These conflicts are not being updated enough and are also not getting sufficient media coverage to warrant ongoing. Ongoing is for a constant stream of blurb-worthy events, it's not an armed conflict ticker. If we were to keep these conflicts up then I think wars of similar intensity like the Maghreb Insurgency and Somali Civil War should also be put up.  [[User:PrecariousWorlds|PrecariousWorlds]] ([[User talk:PrecariousWorlds|talk]]) 12:37, 18 January 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->
:* '''Support''' for Sudan, '''Oppose''' for Myanmar. I haven't seen much out of Sudan, but active warfare is very much so going on in Myanmar to an extensive degree still. [[User:River10000|River10000]] ([[User talk:River10000|talk]]) 13:44, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Neutral''' for Sudan, '''Oppose''' for Myanmar given there is very much ongoing developments there. [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#947E00">Chaotıċ<span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:30deg;color:indigo">Enby</span></span>]]([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|contribs]]) 14:07, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
::Enough to warrant multiple blurbs?  [[User:PrecariousWorlds|PrecariousWorlds]] ([[User talk:PrecariousWorlds|talk]]) 14:18, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
:::Fall of [[Laukkai]] and of the Northeast Command Headquarters on January 5, tentative ceasefire negotiated by China on January 12 (soon broken by the junta), fall of [[Paletwa]] on January 15... [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#947E00">Chaotıċ<span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:30deg;color:indigo">Enby</span></span>]]([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|contribs]]) 19:24, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
::::Every single individual event of these could warrant a blurb? Dubious imo [[User:PrecariousWorlds|PrecariousWorlds]] ([[User talk:PrecariousWorlds|talk]]) 07:31, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
:::::The negotiated ceasefire would've definitely been blurb-worthy if not for the fact it was ongoing. But these were just the last few examples, many more (and more blurbworthy ones) if you go back to December, like [[Chinland]] being proclaimed as an independent state, ... [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#947E00">Chaotıċ<span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:30deg;color:indigo">Enby</span></span>]]([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|contribs]]) 09:48, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
*Both of these articles are still seeing active updates in the past week, moreso than I'm used to from long-standing Ongoing articles. In fact, they are more actively updated and expanded than the main Russian invasion article is. Whether our level of activity on any of these articles is sufficient to keep promoting them, I have no clue. ~[[User:Maplestrip|<span style="color:#005080">Maplestrip/Mable</span>]] ([[User talk:Maplestrip|<span style="color:#700090">chat</span>]]) 14:36, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
*:We dont just want updates tk the article but also that these are new breaking events that are being added. The Ukraine/Russia war still gets daily headlines, but both of these seem far beliw tye fold with little daily coverage to warrant ongoing. [[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 14:56, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
*::'''Oppose both''' With recent developments in South Kordofan, it looks like an RSF offensive is about to begin there. Myanmar is still a warzone, with town captures happening almost daily. [[User:Lukt64|Lukt64]] ([[User talk:Lukt64|talk]]) 16:42, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
*:::WP:CRYSTAL. When/if it happens, we put it up. Also there are many more warzones than Myanmar, that doesn't automatically mean notability. ITN isn't a conflict ticker [[User:PrecariousWorlds|PrecariousWorlds]] ([[User talk:PrecariousWorlds|talk]]) 16:57, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Suggestion''' it may be time to consider putting the Maghreb insurgency in Ongoing. [[User:Lukt64|Lukt64]] ([[User talk:Lukt64|talk]]) 16:44, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
::If you’re talking the [[Insurgency in the Maghreb (2002-present)]]… there’s not even a ''2022'' section in there, let alone 2023/4. You sure about that? [[User:The Kip|<span style="color:#333f42;">'''The'''</span>]] [[User talk:The Kip|<span style="color:#b4975a;">'''Kip'''</span>]] 18:25, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
::i meant Sahel insurgency [[User:Lukt64|Lukt64]] ([[User talk:Lukt64|talk]]) 19:06, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
:::Which has one listed incident this month. [[User:The Kip|<span style="color:#333f42;">'''The'''</span>]] [[User talk:The Kip|<span style="color:#b4975a;">'''Kip'''</span>]] 21:34, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
::Then we might as well put every armed conflict in ongoing. [[User:PrecariousWorlds|PrecariousWorlds]] ([[User talk:PrecariousWorlds|talk]]) 07:29, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' for Sudan, '''Neutral''' for Myanmar, due to the war in Sudan being old news and nothing significant recently, however the Myanmar war is still very much ongoing. [[User:Editor 5426387|Editor 5426387]] ([[User talk:Editor 5426387|talk]]) 18:36, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Oppose'''. There are still things happening. [[User:Кирилл С1|Kirill C1]] ([[User talk:Кирилл С1|talk]]) 19:05, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
::Ongoing items need to show ongoing news coverage, not simply that the event is continuing.<span id="Masem:1705608728852:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> —&nbsp;[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 20:12, 18 January 2024 (UTC)</span>
:::Thank you! Just because there are events happening in the world doesn't automatically mean notability. My main point is that if we are to keep these on the main page, we might as well put every significant armed conflict up. I just want consistancy.  [[User:PrecariousWorlds|PrecariousWorlds]] ([[User talk:PrecariousWorlds|talk]]) 08:38, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Support''' for Sudan, '''Neutral''' for Myanmar. Sudan was removed once already, but then put back up when the conflict picked back up again. No reason that we can't do that again. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 20:30, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
::Additionally, there are now 6 articles listed in the Ongoing section now that [[Houthi involvement in the 2023 Israel-Hamas war]] has been added. Probably at least one should be removed, and given that it's the Sudan one with the least amount of updates, I think it should be that one. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 23:04, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' for Sudan as most recent updates seem to be on the diplomatic issues related to the war, rather than the war itself. '''Oppose''' on Myanmar as there's been a solid amount of recent combat-focused updates. [[User:The Kip|<span style="color:#333f42;">'''The'''</span>]] [[User talk:The Kip|<span style="color:#b4975a;">'''Kip'''</span>]] 20:37, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

:'''oppose''' for both. Rebels in myanmar captured another town three days ago and in sudan a lot of attention is being drawn to fighting by a world heritage sight and ethnic conflict. [[User:Personisinsterest|Personisinsterest]] ([[User talk:Personisinsterest|talk]]) 01:16, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Support '''for Sudan, '''Oppose '''for Myanmar. Theres not much going in Sudan but Myanmar still has active developments. [[User:Setarip|Setarip]] ([[User talk:Setarip|talk]]) 03:34, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Neutral for Sudan, oppose for Myanmar'''&mdash;The former doesn't seem to be getting too many major updates these days, but Myanmar's civil war has been experiencing quite a few developments in recent times, to the extent where I'd honestly say that the Tatmadaw is facing the greatest threat to its supremacy over Burmese politics in the 60+ years since they took over the country under Ne Win. Myanmar is still very much ongoing. [[User:Kurtis|Kurtis]] [[User talk:Kurtis|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 04:56, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Sudan's article has recent updates about fighting in Kordofan & Myanmar's article has recent updates about fighting throughout Myanmar. [[User:Blaylockjam10|Blaylockjam10]] ([[User talk:Blaylockjam10|talk]]) 09:42, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support Sudan, neutral on Myanmar''' for same reasons as others with the same votes. Also, is the purpose of ITN ongoing just to list wars, as that's all we seem to be using it for? [[User:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b>]][[User talk:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#000000">2302</b>]] ([[User talk:Joseph2302|talk]]) 13:56, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
*:Ongoing has previously listed the pandemic, the Olympics & the World Cup. [[User:Blaylockjam10|Blaylockjam10]] ([[User talk:Blaylockjam10|talk]]) 23:32, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Sudan Removed'''; Myanmar discussion still in process. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082529">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T•</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">C</span>]]</sup> 21:43, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

*'''Suggestion''' What if the displayed text "''Ongoing''" was made into a link to the [[List of ongoing armed conflicts]] article? (Similar to what is done for "''Recent deaths''" below it in the template.) [[User:Farolif|Farolif]] ([[User talk:Farolif|talk]]) 21:25, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
*:'''Conditional support when a solution to a problem is found '''Thing is, it already makes a redirect to Current Events. Maybe we could have list of ongoing armed conflicts made into an article thats just "List of ongoing conflicts" that includes protests and strikes. [[User:Lukt64|Lukt64]] ([[User talk:Lukt64|talk]]) 21:31, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
*:I think that or something similar was proposed and rejected. Ongoing is not just for ongoing conflicts, it just happens that ongoing conflicts are usually all that is listed there, but previously the COVID-19 pandemic was listed for a long time. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 21:33, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
*::I have added a section on the [[List of ongoing armed conflicts]] article talk page. This is an issue that should be discussed there. [[User:Lukt64|Lukt64]] ([[User talk:Lukt64|talk]]) 21:42, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
*:::In addition, I also added a "Major conlicts" section in the ongoing events to [[Portal:Current_events/Sidebar]] [[User:Lukt64|Lukt64]] ([[User talk:Lukt64|talk]]) 21:46, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
*::::Any major additions to critical parts of the CE portal more than likely need consensus to add. GWA's removed it anyways. [[User:The Kip|<span style="color:#333f42;">'''The'''</span>]] [[User talk:The Kip|<span style="color:#b4975a;">'''Kip'''</span>]] 01:28, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
*:Ongoing is also used for major sports events (like FIFA, Olympics), was used for COVID, etc; i.e., it is not just a war-ticker. [[User:Curbon7|Curbon7]] ([[User talk:Curbon7|talk]]) 01:35, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
{{abot}}
== January 17 ==
{{cot|[[Portal:Current events/2024 January 17]]}}
{{Portal:Current events/2024 January 17}}
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==== (Posted) RD: César Suárez====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = César Suárez (Ecuadorian prosecutor)<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://edition.cnn.com/2024/01/17/world/ecuador-prosecutor-cesar-suarez-assassinated-intl/index.html CNN] [https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cesar-suarez-ecuador-prosecutor-investigating-tv-studio-attack-shot-dead/ CBS News]<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Alsoriano97<!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
|creator=Fixer88
}} Ecuadorian prosecutor investigating [[2024 Ecuadorian conflict#Conflict|TC Televisión newsroom takeover]]. Shot dead by hitmen. Article looks good. [[User:Alsoriano97|_-_Alsor]] ([[User talk:Alsoriano97|talk]]) 16:03, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
* '''Support''' everything seems well-sourced. [[User:Unknown-Tree|Unknown-Tree🌲?]] ([[User talk:Unknown-Tree|talk]]) 19:09, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 23:25, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

==== RD: Shawnacy Barber====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Shawnacy Barber<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://edition.cnn.com/2024/01/18/sport/shawn-barber-death-pole-vault/index.html CNN] <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Pharaoh of the Wizards<!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}} world champion pole vaulter.[[User:Pharaoh of the Wizards|Pharaoh of the Wizards]] ([[User talk:Pharaoh of the Wizards|talk]]) 09:50, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
* '''Support''' based on article quality. --[[User:NoonIcarus|NoonIcarus]] ([[User talk:NoonIcarus|talk]]) 02:58, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
*Achievements in the body and infobox are unreferenced. [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 23:44, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

==== RD: Dejan Milojević====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Dejan Milojević <!-- Do not wikilink -->
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/39326926/warriors-assistant-dejan-milojevic-hospitalized-sources-say ESPN] [https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/nba/article-12975515/Warriors-assistant-Dejan-Milojevic-dies-aged-46.html Daily Mail] <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = RockinJack18 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}} Assistant coach for the Golden State Warriors. Coached Jokic in Euro League, Article looks good. - [[User:RockinJack18|<span style="color:blue">'''Rockin'''</span>]][[User talk:RockinJack18|<span style="color:red">'''Jack'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/RockinJack18|<span style="color:black">'''18'''</span>]] 20:37, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' 18 paragraphs that end without a reference. [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 21:32, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

:'''Oppose''' article does not look good. Per Stephen.  [[User:Alsoriano97|_-_Alsor]] ([[User talk:Alsoriano97|talk]]) 22:30, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

* Still quite a bit footnote-deficient prose. Please add more REFs and footnotes. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 03:54, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

==== (Posted) 2024 Iranian strikes in Pakistan ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = 2024 Iranian strikes in Pakistan
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = '''[[2024 Iranian strikes in Pakistan|Air strikes]]''' by the [[Iranian military]] killed 2 children and 3 injured around [[Panjgur]] area of Balochistan, Pakistan.
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb      = Iran launches missile strikes against '''[[2024 Iranian missile strikes in Pakistan|Pakistan]]''', and aerial strikes against '''[[2024 Erbil attack|Iraq and Syria]]''' 
<!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2 = [[Iran]] launches [[2024 Iranian missile strikes in Pakistan|missile strikes]] against Baloch separatist group [[Jaish ul-Adl]] based in Pakistan leaving 2 dead and 3 injured . In retaliation, the [[Pakistan Air Force]] launches '''[[Operation Marg Bar Sarmachar]]''' against Iran, leaving 7 dead.  <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3 = Iran launches missile strikes in '''[[2024 Iranian missile strikes in Pakistan|Pakistan]]''', and aerial strikes in '''[[2024 Erbil attack|Iraq and Syria]]'''. In response, Pakistan conducts '''[[Operation Marg Bar Sarmachar|retaliatory airstrikes]]''' in Iran.
| altblurb4 = [[Iran]] launches '''[[2024 Iranian missile strikes in Pakistan|missile strikes]]''' against Baloch separatist group [[Jaish ul-Adl]] based in Pakistan, as well as '''[[2024 Erbil attack|strikes in Iraq and Syria]]'''. In response, Pakistan '''[[Operation Marg Bar Sarmachar|airstrikes]]''' several targets in Iran. 
| sources       = [https://www.voanews.com/a/border-insecurity-in-iran-amid-regime-crackdown-on-minorities-/4616809.html VOA], [https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/17/middleeast/iran-missile-attack-pakistan-intl-hnk/index.html CNN], [https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-67999465 BBC], [https://apnews.com/article/iran-pakistan-baluchistan-strike-tensions-israel-hamas-3eb1bf5c7fd2de54aeec9fadecbc78b6 AP], [https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/17/world/asia/iran-pakistan-strike.html NY Times]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Ainty Painty <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator       = MrGreen1163
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}} <!-- Additional comments go before here --> [[User:Ainty Painty|Ainty Painty]] ([[User talk:Ainty Painty|talk]]) 16:34, 17 January 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->
*'''Oppose''' - Totally irrelevant and insignificant from ITN's point of view. [[User:Fahads1982|Fahads1982]] ([[User talk:Fahads1982|talk]]) 17:53, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' – totally relevant and significant from ITN's point of view. It represents an expansion of existing tensions around Iran and in the Middle East. [[User:Cremastra|🌺 Cremastra ]] ([[User talk:Cremastra|talk]]) 20:59, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' This is a notable increase in tensions, and the article is of reasonable quality for ITN --[[User:MtPenguinMonster|MtPenguinMonster]] ([[User talk:MtPenguinMonster|talk]]) 21:03, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Attack by Iran on foreign (Pakistani) soil leading to a flare-up of tensions between the two countries in the context of the [[Balochistan conflict]], definitely ITN material. The blurb could mention that it was the [[IRGC]] (Sepah) that was responsible, rather than the [[Iranian army]] (Artesh), as Iran maintains two parallel armies (with separate navies, air forces, etc.). [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#947E00">Chaotıċ<span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:30deg;color:indigo">Enby</span></span>]]([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|contribs]]) 21:28, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

:'''Support''' resulted in the recall of an ambassador, seems significant enough. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 22:04, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Support''' Article is in good shape. Significant event with global coverage. [[User:Schwinnspeed|Schwinnspeed]] ([[User talk:Schwinnspeed|talk]]) 01:14, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Support''' - per above supports. [[User:Jusdafax|Jusdafax]] ([[User talk:Jusdafax|talk]]) 01:28, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
*Could mention that Iran has attacked Iraq, Pakistan and Syria in the last couple of days, and link [[2024 Erbil attack]] as well. [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 02:59, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
*:Agreed. This was not done in isolation from other recent Iranian strikes. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 03:18, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
*::Are there sources connecting these attacks? The ones in Iraq and Syria are allegedly related to the Iran-Israel proxy conflict, while the Pakistan one is part of the Balochistan conflict. While they all happened relatively recently, it might be OR to connect them all as part of the same blurb. [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#947E00">Chaotıċ<span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:30deg;color:indigo">Enby</span></span>]]([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|contribs]]) 03:52, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

:'''Oppose''' we should wait till further escalation Iran is  indirectly attacking Pakistan, it is directly attacking the terrorists([[Jaish ul-Adl|Jaish-ud-Adl)]] Even though Pakistan's government said  'it was a breach of their airspace' , I think this matter would not escalte with Israel-Hamas was going on. So, I say it is not ITN worthy until the matter escalates [[User:Harvici|Harvici]] 04:09, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support'''; the situation has now escalated, with [https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/18/middleeast/pakistan-targets-locations-iran-intl-hnk Pakistan launching retaliatory strikes]. The proposed blurb may need to be updated, though. [[User:BilledMammal|BilledMammal]] ([[User talk:BilledMammal|talk]]) 05:20, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

:'''Support''' added Alt Blurb II , since [[User:Ainty Painty|Ainty Painty]] nominated [[Operation Marg Bar Sarmachar]] for ITN , since both are related , I think Alt Blurb II would be the best to be posted on ITN. [[User:Harvici|Harvici]] 07:13, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' with amended blurb to include the Pakistani retaliatory airstrikes vide [[Operation Marg Bar Sarmachar]]. '''[[User:Mar4d|<span style="color: green;">Mar4d</span>]]''' ([[User talk:Mar4d|<span style="color: green;">talk</span>]]) 08:12, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
*Pakistan retaliatory strikes article needs work before being featured. ~[[User:Maplestrip|<span style="color:#005080">Maplestrip/Mable</span>]] ([[User talk:Maplestrip|<span style="color:#700090">chat</span>]]) 12:17, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

: '''Comment''' - Added Alt Blurb IV to mention the strikes in Iraq and Syria. Other blurb states that these strikes are "against Pakistan, and Iraq and Syria", which would imply that they were targetted at the UN-recognised governments of these countries, which Iran strongly denies. Much better to say 'in', same with the Houthi conflict.  [[User:PrecariousWorlds|PrecariousWorlds]] ([[User talk:PrecariousWorlds|talk]]) 12:32, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
::'''Support'''  [[User:PrecariousWorlds|Precarious]] 's Alt Blurb IV, but we can edit the second sentence from 'In response, Pakistan airstrikes several targets in Iran' to 'In response, Pakistan Air Force launches [[Operation Marg Bar Sarmachar]] , leaving 7 dead. [[User:Harvici|Harvici]] 12:40, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
::: I would personally prefer a simpler headline along the lines of Alt Burb III, without going into too much details; the articles are there to provide context. If we mention Iran’s targeting of Jaish-ul-Adl, then by extension we’d also have to mention Pakistan’s targeting of Baluch insurgents bases, and the blurb will get too long. That’s besides the fact, of course, that both Iran and Pakistan have not alluded to any militant deaths as of yet (on their own side) and have only acknowledged civilian casualties. '''[[User:Mar4d|<span style="color: green;">Mar4d</span>]]''' ([[User talk:Mar4d|<span style="color: green;">talk</span>]]) 13:05, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support Alt3''' - definitely a notable event that highlights the rise of tensions in the Middle East  <small> ✈</small> [[User:mike_gigs|mike_gigs]] <sup>[[User talk:mike_gigs|talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/mike_gigs|contribs]]</sub> 14:45, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''support alt3''' only. '''[[User talk:Nableezy|<span style="color:#C11B17;font-size:90%">nableezy</span>]]''' -  14:55, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' alt3 with the strong support above. I tweaked the link placement slightly to avoid [[MOS:EGG]] and removed an unnecessary comma. [[User:The ed17|Ed]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:The ed17|[talk]]]&nbsp;[[WP:OMT|[OMT]]]</sup> 15:19, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
*[[Operation Marg Bar Sarmachar]] is probably still not quite at the level it should be for the front page. ~[[User:Maplestrip|<span style="color:#005080">Maplestrip/Mable</span>]] ([[User talk:Maplestrip|<span style="color:#700090">chat</span>]]) 15:27, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
**I checked each article before posting. That one is indeed short, especially after some recent paring back, but nevertheless it is comprehensive and fully cited. [[User:The ed17|Ed]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:The ed17|[talk]]]&nbsp;[[WP:OMT|[OMT]]]</sup> 15:52, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

==== (Posted) RD: Tony Lloyd ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Tony Lloyd <!-- Do not wikilink -->
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://news.sky.com/story/sir-tony-lloyd-labour-mp-for-rochdale-dies-aged-73-13046240 Sky News], [https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-68010501 BBC News] <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Fats40boy11 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}} British Labour MP. [[User:Fats40boy11|Fats40boy11]] ([[User talk:Fats40boy11|talk]]) 16:24, 17 January 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->

:'''Support''' , the article looks good now . I had a little misunderstanding earlier 
:'''Support''', the article looks in great shape. @[[User:Harvici]], the DoB and the Trafford Council job are both sourced in the body (cites 9 and 8 respectively). – [[user:filelakeshoe|filelakeshoe]] ([[user talk:filelakeshoe|t]] / [[special:contributions/filelakeshoe|c]]) [[user:filelakeshoe/kocour|🐱]] 17:33, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' LGTM. [[User:QuicoleJR|QuicoleJR]] ([[User talk:QuicoleJR|talk]]) 19:14, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

:'''Support''' article appears well sourced [[User:Dantus21|Dantus21]] ([[User talk:Dantus21|talk]]) 23:11, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Article is well sourced and in good shape. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.5em 0.5em 0.6em;"> '''[[User:The C of E|<span style="color:red;">The C of E </span><span style="color:blue;"> God Save the King!</span>]]''' ([[User talk:The C of E|<span style="color:darkblue;">talk</span>]])</span> 07:35, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 07:59, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

====(Posted) Ongoing nomination: [[2024 missile strikes in Yemen]] ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = 2024 missile strikes in Yemen<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = add<!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Interstellarity <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator       = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->Eladkarmel
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->Chomik1129
}} <!-- Additional comments go before here -->This is likely to go on even after the blurb rolls off. [[User:Interstellarity|Interstellarity]] ([[User talk:Interstellarity|talk]]) 13:00, 17 January 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->

:* '''Conditional support/Wait''' if they do something akin to the 12th, or if the Houthis retaliate, definitely support. If not, insignificant. [[User:The sum of all human knowledge|The sum of all human knowledge]] ([[User talk:The sum of all human knowledge|talk]]) 13:13, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' it is the involvement of Houthi in Israel - Hamas war; there is no need to include it in ongoing unitl it escalates and becomes [[Houthi movement|Ansar Allah]] vs USA (etc) , then it can be ongoing worthy  [[User:Harvici|Harvici]] 13:44, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Wait''' - I said this in the original nom as well, but I think we should first wait and see if the situation actually escalates further into a more long-term conflict before deciding on whether or not to put it in Ongoing. [[User:Bucket of sulfuric acid|Bucket of sulfuric acid]] ([[User talk:Bucket of sulfuric acid|talk]]) 14:10, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Wait''' until further escalation, '''Conditional Support''' on notability if it does escalate. [[User:Editor 5426387|Editor 5426387]] ([[User talk:Editor 5426387|talk]]) 14:31, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Suggestion''' &ndash; Add "([[Houthi involvement in the Israel–Hamas war|Houthi involvement]])" to the Israel-Hamas War ongoing. Having a secondary article in ongoing can be nice, as we see with the Russian invasion timeline. ~[[User:Maplestrip|<span style="color:#005080">Maplestrip/Mable</span>]] ([[User talk:Maplestrip|<span style="color:#700090">chat</span>]]) 15:14, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
*:By far the best proposal! [[User:PrecariousWorlds|PrecariousWorlds]] ([[User talk:PrecariousWorlds|talk]]) 15:54, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
*:'''Support''' Nice suggestion but if the matter escalates , this can change. [[User:Harvici|Harvici]] 16:06, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
*:'''Support''' Mable's idea. By far the best solution to including the matter of the Houthis. [[User:River10000|River10000]] ([[User talk:River10000|talk]]) 16:39, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
*:'''Support''' as a concise proposal until further escalation. [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#947E00">Chaotıċ<span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:30deg;color:indigo">Enby</span></span>]]([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|contribs]]) 16:43, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
*:'''Support''' for now, seems reasonable enough. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 01:19, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
*:'''Support''' I think this is a great solve [[User:Schwinnspeed|Schwinnspeed]] ([[User talk:Schwinnspeed|talk]]) 01:56, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
*:'''Support''' - Good idea! We could certainly keep it like that until anything major happens. [[User:Bucket of sulfuric acid|Bucket of sulfuric acid]] ([[User talk:Bucket of sulfuric acid|talk]]) 08:14, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
*:'''Support''', very good idea. [[User:Lukt64|Lukt64]] ([[User talk:Lukt64|talk]]) 16:48, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
*:'''Support'''. {{@ITNA}} I feel like there's a consensus to do these parentheses now. [[User:Aaron Liu|<span style="color:#0645ad">Aaron Liu</span>]] ([[User talk:Aaron Liu#top|talk]]) 19:53, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
*:'''Support''' as proposed by Maple. [[User:The Kip|<span style="color:#333f42;">'''The'''</span>]] [[User talk:The Kip|<span style="color:#b4975a;">'''Kip'''</span>]] 20:41, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
*:'''Strong oppose''' While the initial escalation by the Houthis was made in relation to the Israel-Hamas war, multiple reliable sources indicate that the Houthi attacks have become indiscriminate, targeting vessels with no discernible connection to Israel. No source that I am aware of currently makes the strong statement that the <u>ongoing</u> fighting between the US/UK and the Houthis is a direct part of the Israel-Hamas war. I think lumping them together as the same "ongoing" is not defensible with reliable sources. [[User:Eyal3400|eyal]] ([[User talk:Eyal3400|talk]]) 21:23, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
*:'''Comment''' The article in question is subject to a proposed move, so I wonder that if it ends up getting moved to [[Red Sea crisis]] that it should be un-bracketed and listed separately. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 23:06, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
*::Oh wow, I'm a bit overwhelmed by all the Supports on an idea I had forgotten I posted, haha. Feels very good. Yes, I expect the setup will change shortly, and [[Red Sea Crisis]] sounds likely to work as a separate Ongoing too. Our coverage evolves faster than we can make decisions. ~[[User:Maplestrip|<span style="color:#005080">Maplestrip/Mable</span>]] ([[User talk:Maplestrip|<span style="color:#700090">chat</span>]]) 07:54, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' as this is an ongoing conflict now,  but I would suggest a broader focus on the conflict than just the missile strikes. --[[User:MtPenguinMonster|MtPenguinMonster]] ([[User talk:MtPenguinMonster|talk]]) 21:00, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' {{u|Maplestrip}}'s suggestion of adding <nowiki>([[Houthi involvement in the Israel–Hamas war|Houthi involvement]])</nowiki> as there is consensus for it. That brings me to the interesting issue of credits, though, with {{u|Interstellarity}} having nominated [[2024 missile strikes in Yemen]], but a different article being posted that Interstellarity has never edited. If that's ok with you, Interstellarity, I hand out credits to two other editors instead who I have added to this nomination. If there are diverging ideas on how to handle the credits, please discuss and ping me when a resolution has been reached. '''[[User:Schwede66|<span style="color: #000000;">Schwede</span>]][[User talk:Schwede66|<span style="color: #FF4500;">66</span>]]''' 22:20, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
*:Makes sense to me. Although it came out of the original nomination, it was an altogether different article by a different nominator that got consensus to post. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 23:02, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
*:Hi, can you please clarify how you determined that consensus was reached ([[WP:DETCON]])? I raise the concern that this decision violates [[WP:VER]], and so far this point has gone unaddressed. [[User:Eyal3400|eyal]] ([[User talk:Eyal3400|talk]]) 23:06, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
*::[https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/01/15/world/israel-hamas-news NYT] says {{tq|[Houthi] has claimed it is acting in response to the Israeli military response in the Gaza Strip}}. I don't think the fact that the attacks became indiscriminate means it's not a part of the war (plus NYT reports it as part of the war) [[User:Aaron Liu|<span style="color:#0645ad">Aaron Liu</span>]] ([[User talk:Aaron Liu#top|talk]]) 23:34, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
*::Agree with the fact that it kinda violates [[WP:VER]], I'm thinking of changing my vote but it's hard to word it as on the one hand it was absolutely a reaction to the Israel-Hamas war, on the other hand Houtis are kinda doing their own thing now despite claiming it's about Israel, so if there's an elegant solution that wraps up all of this I'd be interested. [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#947E00">Chaotıċ<span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:30deg;color:indigo">Enby</span></span>]]([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|contribs]]) 23:56, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
*:::Although I'm not convinced that this is a problem, given that there's an active proposal to change the article title to [[Red Sea crisis]], that could be the solution you're looking for. It would mean that the article is no longer directly subordinate to the Israel-Hamas war and therefore would no longer be bracketed, while also maintaining that it's otherwise the same article which is listed as Ongoing. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 00:06, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
*:That's fine. Anything that improves upon my nomination helps out a lot. [[User:Interstellarity|Interstellarity]] ([[User talk:Interstellarity|talk]]) 02:06, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' adding the [[Red Sea crisis]] to Ongoing, though '''oppose''' doing so as a parenthetical add-on to [[Israel–Hamas war]], per Eyal 3400. [[User:DecafPotato|DecafPotato]] ([[User talk:DecafPotato|talk]]) 23:08, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
== January 16 ==
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====(Posted) 2024 Comorian presidential election====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = 2024 Comorian presidential election
| image         = Azali Assoumani in New York City on September 19, 2023 - 53199606411 (cropped).jpg<!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = [[Azali Assoumani]] is '''[[2024 Comorian presidential election|re-elected]]''' [[List of heads of state of the Comoros|president]] of [[Comoros|the Comoros]].
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR          = yes <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb      = Incumbent [[Comoros|Comorian]] [[List of heads of state of the Comoros|president]] [[Azali Assoumani]] is re-elected in a '''[[2024 Comorian presidential election|disputed election]]'''.
| altblurb2 = Incumbent [[Comoros|Comorian]] [[List of heads of state of the Comoros|president]] [[Azali Assoumani]] is re-elected in a '''[[2024 Comorian presidential election|presidential election]]''' that had 16% turnout due to an opposition boycott.
| sources       = [https://www.france24.com/en/afrique/20240117-unrest-grips-comoros-opposition-rejects-president-re-election France 24] [https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/1-dead-at-least-6-injured-in-post-election-unrest-in-the-indian-ocean-island-nation-of-comoros/ar-AA1nc08f AP] [https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/comoros-president-wins-fourth-term-in-disputed-poll/ar-AA1n6sVH BBC]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Vanilla Wizard <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = Borgenland<!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}} <!-- Additional comments go before here --> Was going to nominate this on the day of the election, but soon realized that election results weren't out yet. Added an altblurb in case weight should be given to the controversies that erupted after the election, not sure though since international observers have commented on the election and did not condemn it for alleged irregularities. Some work may still need to be done before posting, but the aftermath section has an acceptable amount of prose in my opinion and the material seems to be well-sourced. <b style="font-family:Trebuchet MS">[[User:Vanilla Wizard|<b style="background-color:#07d;color:#FFF">&nbsp;Vanilla </b>]][[User Talk:Vanilla Wizard|<b style="background-color:#749;color:#FFF">&nbsp;Wizard </b>]]</b> [[Special:Contribs/Vanilla Wizard|💙]] 00:08, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

:'''Support Alt1''' looks fine. Every paragraph ends with a citation except the last sentence of one, I'm assuming the citations at the end of each paragraph are meant to give a source for the whole paragraph. Table is cited. Given the disputed results, Alt1 is better in my opinion. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 00:15, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support ALT1''', albeit the article feels a tad short. [[User:The Kip|<span style="color:#333f42;">'''The'''</span>]] [[User talk:The Kip|<span style="color:#b4975a;">'''Kip'''</span>]] 22:20, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support the original blurb or Alt2, oppose Alt1''' Since international observers called this a free & fair election, I think it’s probably inappropriate to label this a disputed election without going into more details. What seems more appropriate to me is noting that the presidential election had a 16% turnout because it was boycotted by some opposition candidates. [[User:Blaylockjam10|Blaylockjam10]] ([[User talk:Blaylockjam10|talk]]) 23:26, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' If there is consensus that the article is up to shape but not consensus for a particular blurb variant, I recommend using the short and to-the-point original blurb until a clearer consensus emerges regarding how to describe the controversies surrounding the election. <b style="font-family:Trebuchet MS">[[User:Vanilla Wizard|<b style="background-color:#07d;color:#FFF">&nbsp;Vanilla </b>]][[User Talk:Vanilla Wizard|<b style="background-color:#749;color:#FFF">&nbsp;Wizard </b>]]</b> [[Special:Contribs/Vanilla Wizard|💙]] 20:40, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

:• '''Support ALT1''' the article looks fine and is listed in [[WP:ITN/R]] , we should definetly post it. [[User:Harvici|Harvici]] 07:32, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' Adapted blurb version. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082529">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T•</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">C</span>]]</sup> 15:53, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

==== (Posted) RD: Peter Schickele (P.D.Q. Bach) ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Peter Schickele
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/17/arts/music/peter-schickele-dead.html NY Times]
| updated       = yes
| nominator     = Smurrayinchester <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}} Better known under his pseudonym [[P.D.Q. Bach]], so I think we should include it as parenthetical in the Recent deaths entry [[User:Smurrayinchester|Smurrayinchester]] 12:08, 18 January 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->
*'''Support.''' The article has plenty of sources, including for the death. [[User:Einsof|Einsof]] ([[User talk:Einsof|talk]]) 14:05, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Weak Oppose''' Although I am sad to see him go, there are a few sources that could use some citations before posting but overall, it looks alright. [[user:HistoryTheorist|<span style="font-family:Courier;color:#2F7E98">❤History</span>]][[User talk:HistoryTheorist|<span style="font-family:Courier;color:lightpurple">Theorist❤</span>]] 04:50, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
*<s>'''Weak oppose''' I’m concerned about the uncited sentence about his repertory.</s> '''Support''' This looks good enough now. [[User:Blaylockjam10|Blaylockjam10]] ([[User talk:Blaylockjam10|talk]]) 20:02, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted to RD'''. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082529">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T•</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">C</span>]]</sup> 22:49, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

==== (Posted) RD: Claire Fagin ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Claire Fagin <!-- Do not wikilink -->
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.inquirer.com/education/claire-fagin-obituary-penn-school-of-nursing-dean-president-20240116.html Phi Inq], [https://www.washingtonpost.com/obituaries/2024/01/18/claire-fagin-dead/ WaPo], [https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/17/health/claire-m-fagin-dead.html NY Times] <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Natg 19 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = Natg 19 , Jkaharper , Connormah , Blaylockjam10<!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}} Needs a little bit of work. <!-- Additional comments go before here --> [[User:Natg 19|Natg 19]] ([[User talk:Natg 19|talk]]) 20:52, 17 January 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->
:'''Support''' This looks okay now. [[User:Secretlondon|Secretlondon]] ([[User talk:Secretlondon|talk]]) 15:15, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Support''' This has enough details & references. [[User:Blaylockjam10|Blaylockjam10]] ([[User talk:Blaylockjam10|talk]]) 07:51, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
*<s>'''Weak oppose'''</s> Intro mentions that she was a consultant but does not mention this in the article body. It also mentions "''She was an early advocate of family-centered care, with major contributions to psychiatric nursing, nursing education and geriatric care, which were underlined with a strong belief in the power of the activist consumer.''" but outside of mentioning her doctoral dissertation has no other detail about her research contributions. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082529">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T•</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">C</span>]]</sup> 15:52, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
*:{{Ping|Spencer}} WRT her research, I added info about a research position that she held in the 1950s & that she co-authored an analysis in 2022 suggesting that the cause of burnout among health care workers during the pandemic was inadequate hospital staffing. WRT being a consultant, I added that she was an advisor to the WHO. However, that didn’t seem important enough for the intro, so I removed the part about her being a consultant from the intro. [[User:Blaylockjam10|Blaylockjam10]] ([[User talk:Blaylockjam10|talk]]) 09:20, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted to RD'''. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082529">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T•</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">C</span>]]</sup> 22:44, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

==== RD: Sergio Sebastiani ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Sergio Sebastiani <!-- Do not wikilink -->
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.vaticannews.va/en/vatican-city/news/2024-01/cardinal-sebastiani-dies-pope-francis-tribute.html Vatican News]
| updated       = yes
| nominator     = Harvici <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}} A cardinal and diplomat , article is also good [[User:Harvici|Harvici]] 10:51, 17 January 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->
*'''Oppose''' There's an unsourced paragraph and a cn tag. DoB unsourced as well. '''[[Scientia potentia est]]''', <span style="background-color: darkorange">[[User:MonarchOfTerror|<span style="color: yellow">'''Monarch'''</span>]][[User talk:MonarchOfTerror|<span style="color: darkblue">'''OfTerror'''</span>]]</span> 12:10, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support.''' The death is sourced and the quality is good enough. Putting it on the main page may encourage new editors to source other parts of the article. [[User:Einsof|Einsof]] ([[User talk:Einsof|talk]]) 13:57, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' article is not good yet: some lines and paras are unsourced. [[User:Alsoriano97|_-_Alsor]] ([[User talk:Alsoriano97|talk]]) 14:07, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

==== RD: José Agustín ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = José Agustín
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/mexican-writer-jos-agustn-chronicled-rock-society-1960s-106426660 ABC news]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     =Pharaoh of the Wizards <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}}Noted Mexican writer.[[User:Pharaoh of the Wizards|Pharaoh of the Wizards]] ([[User talk:Pharaoh of the Wizards|talk]]) 01:00, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' The bibliography and the filmography are missing some sources, the life and career section has some unsourced info. '''[[Scientia potentia est]]''', <span style="background-color: darkorange">[[User:MonarchOfTerror|<span style="color: yellow">'''Monarch'''</span>]][[User talk:MonarchOfTerror|<span style="color: darkblue">'''OfTerror'''</span>]]</span> 10:29, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support.''' The death is sourced, the article quality is fine, and it is not nominated for deletion. Those are the three criteria for posting, per [[WP:ITNRD]]. [[User:Einsof|Einsof]] ([[User talk:Einsof|talk]]) 14:02, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' article should be fully sourced. [[User:Alsoriano97|_-_Alsor]] ([[User talk:Alsoriano97|talk]]) 22:29, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

==== (Closed) 2024 US Republican presidential primaries ====
{{atop|Consensus to post will not develop. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 16:12, 16 January 2024 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = 2024 Republican presidential primaries
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = add <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| sources       = <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = PrecariousWorlds <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator       = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}} I know, I can see the incoming comments already. "Not a US Politics ticker", "Needs international significance", etc., but hear me out. This is an item that, like it or not, is getting way more public and media attention than most blurbs that have been put up. The Iowa caucus is front-page news on every major outlet. I think while Haley, DeSantis, and Trump continue to face each other off, it's useful to the general reader to link this. Once the candidate pool thins and a presumptive nominee is established, we can take it off. In any case, it's worth considering. [[User:PrecariousWorlds|PrecariousWorlds]] ([[User talk:PrecariousWorlds|talk]]) 14:50, 16 January 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->
:*'''Oppose''' We post the election of the president. Trump is going to be the nominee without any doubt unless the Supreme Court deems him ineligible to run. This result in Iowa was clearly expected.
:[[User:Hurricane Noah|<b style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah</b>]], [[Associate of Arts|AA]]<sup>[[User talk:Hurricane Noah|<b style="color:#ff0000">Talk</b>]]</sup> 14:58, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
::[[WP:CRYSTAL]] [[User:PrecariousWorlds|PrecariousWorlds]] ([[User talk:PrecariousWorlds|talk]]) 15:25, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''<s>Ongoing or</s> Weak oppose''', it is of some interest to the general reader (given US influence and the potential consequences of the election) but highlighting Iowa in particular doesn't bring too much. In any case, there isn't much suspense and Trump will likely be nominated, so not that interesting either. [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#947E00">Chaotıċ<span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:30deg;color:indigo">Enby</span></span>]]([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|contribs]]) 15:06, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
::The syntax must've changed because I put ongoing as 'yes'. This is an ongoing nom [[User:PrecariousWorlds|PrecariousWorlds]] ([[User talk:PrecariousWorlds|talk]]) 15:25, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
:::Yes, it wasn't an ongoing nom when I replied. [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#947E00">Chaotıċ<span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:30deg;color:indigo">Enby</span></span>]]([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|contribs]]) 15:44, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' as we do not cover the run ups to ''any'' election, and in the cade if the Republican caucuses,  it's pretty much assured who's going to win.<span id="Masem:1705418306808:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> —&nbsp;[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 15:18, 16 January 2024 (UTC)</span>
:*'''Strongly oppose''' We'll have primaries/caucuses going on the next few months, but none of them (either individually or collectively) have the significance of the general election in November (which is INT/R). [[User:Rawmustard|rawmustard]] ([[User talk:Rawmustard|talk]]) 15:22, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' totally irrelevant and insignificant from ITN's point of view. We are going to post only the presidential election. [[User:Alsoriano97|_-_Alsor]] ([[User talk:Alsoriano97|talk]]) 15:33, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose and suggest snow close''' This is a ridiculous nomination, because, as the nominator has observed, this is not a US politics ticker. In case anyone needs reminding, Wikipedia is a global encyclopaedia. People in every other country would never dream of nominating pre-election party politics as an ITN. Just because it happened in the US doesn't make it more special. [[User:Chrisclear|Chrisclear]] ([[User talk:Chrisclear|talk]]) 15:51, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
*:Thank you; you've made your point in every other U.S.-related nom you've opposed for this reason. ITN/C is not your soapbox. Oppose the nom and move on. <sub>Duly signed,</sub> '''[[User:WaltCip|⛵ <span style="color: white; font-family: Verdana; font-weight: bold; background: linear-gradient(white, blue, navy, black)">WaltClipper</span> ]]'''-''<small>([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]])</small>'' 15:55, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
*:Thank you, but I don't quite understand your comment, I opposed the nomination and moved on - just as you suggested. The only reason I am back here is because of your strange comment. [[User:Chrisclear|Chrisclear]] ([[User talk:Chrisclear|talk]]) 15:57, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
{{abottom}}

====(Closed) Narges Mohammadi====
{{atop|status={{NAC}} |reason=[[WP:SNOW]], consensus to post unlikely to develop. [[User:The Kip|<span style="color:#333f42;">'''The'''</span>]] [[User talk:The Kip|<span style="color:#b4975a;">'''Kip'''</span>]] 18:47, 16 January 2024 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Narges Mohammadi<!-- Do not wikilink --> 
| image         = File:Narges_Mohammadi_(cropped).jpg<!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = The [[Iranian government]] has extended [[Nobel laureate]] '''[[Narges Mohammadi|Narges Mohammadi's]]''' jail term of 12 years for 'spreading propaganda'. <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = yes <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67986227<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = John Cummings <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator       = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}} <!-- Additional comments go before here --> [[User:John Cummings|John Cummings]] ([[User talk:John Cummings|talk]]) 01:26, 16 January 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->

:'''Oppose on quality''' article not updated, blurb unclear about whether the sentence has been extended from an original 12 years or by a further 12 years. Neutral for now on significance. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 01:30, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
:* '''Oppose''': Blurb is potentially misleading as she is only sentenced to an additional 15 months. We did not post similar news when Hong Kong pro-democracy activists like [[Joshua Wong]] received additional sentences. [[User:Tofusaurus|Tofusaurus]] ([[User talk:Tofusaurus|talk]]) 06:12, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' - little international significance. [[User:Banedon|Banedon]] ([[User talk:Banedon|talk]]) 06:41, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

:'''Oppose''' little significance [[User:Setarip|Setarip]] ([[User talk:Setarip|talk]]) 11:28, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
:* '''Oppose''' insignificant [[User:The sum of all human knowledge|The sum of all human knowledge]] ([[User talk:The sum of all human knowledge|talk]]) 12:46, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Insignificant as per above, [[User:Editor 5426387|Editor 5426387]] ([[User talk:Editor 5426387|talk]]) 13:18, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Not significant enough for the blurb. [[User:Nigej|Nigej]] ([[User talk:Nigej|talk]]) 17:16, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
{{abot}}
== January 15 ==
{{cot|[[Portal:Current events/2024 January 15]]}}
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==== RD: Shih Ming-teh ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Shih Ming-teh
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/shih-ming-teh-taiwan-activist-pushed-democracy-dies-106372185 ABC News], [https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/taiwan-s-mandela-shih-ming-teh-dies-aged-83-taiwanplus-news/vi-AA1mZGtc MSN]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = NoonIcarus <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}} Taiwanese activist, also known as "Taiwan's Nelson Mandela". [[User:NoonIcarus|NoonIcarus]] ([[User talk:NoonIcarus|talk]]) 12:48, 16 January 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->
* Was thinking of nominating this, but '''oppose''' on quality. Lots of cn tags, and unsourced sections. [[User:Natg 19|Natg 19]] ([[User talk:Natg 19|talk]]) 17:11, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
* Too much unsourced prose. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 22:34, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

==== (Closed) Primetime Emmy Awards ====
{{atop|No consensus to post. [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 23:21, 22 January 2024 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = 75th Primetime Emmy Awards
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = At the '''[[75th Primetime Emmy Awards|Emmy Awards]]''', ''[[The Bear (TV series)|The Bear]]'' wins [[Primetime Emmy Award for Outstanding Comedy Series|Best Comedy Series]], while ''[[Succession (TV series)|Succession]]'' wins [[Primetime Emmy Award for Outstanding Drama Series|Best Drama]].
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR          = yes <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [https://deadline.com/2024/01/emmys-2023-winners-list-1235792026/ Deadline Hollywood]
| updated       = yes
| nominator     = Masem <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator       = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}} Probably some more updates to the ceremony itself but the article is well-established before tonight. [[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 03:57, 16 January 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->
* '''Support''' pending sources for the presenters (typically pulled from the YouTube clips, which should be added overnight), unless accepting the broadcast as a primary source is allowed. Images will also probably be added but shouldn't cause issues. (Note: I've been fairly involved in the article.) [[User:RunningTiger123|RunningTiger123]] ([[User talk:RunningTiger123|talk]]) 04:08, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
*:Live blogs from RSes (which sites like Variety and Deadline run) should also work. Also, while I did not watch, I would expect an "in memorandum" section if that was part of the show. [[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 04:13, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
*::I've added in references for all of the presenters. There are also references for the list of winners (somehow that got missed, whoops), the total wins by program and network, and the In Memoriam section. I'm pretty confident everything is now sourced. [[User:RunningTiger123|RunningTiger123]] ([[User talk:RunningTiger123|talk]]) 01:59, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per RunningTiger123, pending sources for presenters  <small> ✈</small> [[User:mike_gigs|mike_gigs]] <sup>[[User talk:mike_gigs|talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/mike_gigs|contribs]]</sub> 16:27, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' way too many tables conmpared to the one section of text, and way too many images that violate [[WP:NOTGALLERY]]. Until this article meets Wikipedia's encyclopedic standards, it should not be posted. [[User:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b>]][[User talk:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#000000">2302</b>]] ([[User talk:Joseph2302|talk]]) 16:36, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
**The article is written in the same format and approach of past Emmy articles as well as other major entertainment awards like the Oscars. Tables for the awards (winners and noms) and (free) images of the winners. This complaint doesn't nake sense.<span id="Masem:1705427028528:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> —&nbsp;[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 17:43, 16 January 2024 (UTC)</span>
***So the "other stuff exists".argument wins? [[User:Nigej|Nigej]] ([[User talk:Nigej|talk]]) 17:53, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
***It does seem to me like tables are the best way of presenting information like [[75th Primetime Emmy Awards#Programs]]. That's info that is essential to the article but reading it in prose would be ''tiresome''. I'm not so sure the same can be said for the bloated tables in #Nominations and wins by program and #Nominations by network, which verge on trivial. For example, do Max's two nominations really warrant mentioning in the article? Or could we sum up all of that with a sentence like "HBO led all networks with 43 major award nominations, followed by Netflix with 23 and Apple TV+ with 17? (Or at the very least, could we collapse those tables by default?)
***All that said—if this is the common format across Emmys articles, there's a larger discussion to be had somewhere else and this shouldn't be a barrier to ITN promotion. [[User:The ed17|Ed]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:The ed17|[talk]]]&nbsp;[[WP:OMT|[OMT]]]</sup> 18:54, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
***:So the "other stuff exists" argument does win. Nice to know. [[User:Nigej|Nigej]] ([[User talk:Nigej|talk]]) 19:21, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
***::[[WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS|Other stuff exists]] is an argument to avoid in deletion nominations... it's not a content policy, let alone an issue at ITN. [[User:The ed17|Ed]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:The ed17|[talk]]]&nbsp;[[WP:OMT|[OMT]]]</sup> 19:28, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
****:: Tables are fine.  Unsourced tables are not. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 19:33, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
****::Yes I know all that, which is why I was surprised that you and Masem are using the "other stuff" argument, which doesn't seem to have any basis in policy/guidelines. [[User:Nigej|Nigej]] ([[User talk:Nigej|talk]]) 20:35, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
****:::The point is that they were not making an "other stuff" argument. You mentioned it, then turned it on its head, and are now complaining about it. I do not think you do "know all that", but it's time to drop it anyway. [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 01:41, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
****::::Should be added that the tables are now sourced, to demonstrate that this type of counting is not original research here. [[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 02:04, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Currently not up to the required standard. Plenty of unreferenced material. [[User:Nigej|Nigej]] ([[User talk:Nigej|talk]]) 17:19, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' The prose is mostly OK, but there's a crapload of tables and lists without any sources. Do we actually need some of this fancruft, though?  A lot of it (i.e. the "Nominations and Wins by program" tables) could probably be nuked without any loss to the article. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 18:58, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
**Only as a comment, those have been standard across many Award articles, and there is usually discussion in the RSes about which programs and networks led nominations and/or wins (which I know exist for this year as well) but those sources don't typically break up that information to the degree we present. In other words, about half the entire in those tables can be shown to be reported in a manner by RSes (the top halves) but not the other 50%, so those tables are mostly filling out the rest.<span id="Masem:1705434575482:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> —&nbsp;[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 19:49, 16 January 2024 (UTC)</span>
***Also, these tables are simply [[WP:CALC]] derivations made by counting up wins or nominations. What still probably be done is add a bit of prose with sources to say so-and-so led the nominations / wins.<span id="Masem:1705435174329:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> —&nbsp;[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 19:59, 16 January 2024 (UTC)</span>
*'''Oppose''' per above where editors indicate that they are planning to base the article on blogs, YouTube and their own calculations.  [[user:Andrew Davidson|Andrew]]🐉([[user talk:Andrew Davidson|talk]]) 10:35, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
**Live blogs from RSes are RSes. Once notability has been passed, YouTube clips of the actual event published by the event holders are RSes. And there ''is'' allowed own-calculations per WP:CALC, as long as they are simple (as this is).<span id="Masem:1705497352920:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> —&nbsp;[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 13:15, 17 January 2024 (UTC)</span>
*'''Support''' per Masem's arguments, I don't see anything in especially poor shape. [[User:The Kip|<span style="color:#333f42;">'''The'''</span>]] [[User talk:The Kip|<span style="color:#b4975a;">'''Kip'''</span>]] 20:40, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' If this is the normal format, then the quality seems good enough. [[User:Blaylockjam10|Blaylockjam10]] ([[User talk:Blaylockjam10|talk]]) 10:57, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Unsourced tables that go beyond simple [[WP:CALC]].  Collating information to find out a program had 20+ nominations is very error prone. Better to be reliably sourced (which also rules out any doubt of it being some [[WP:OR]] fancruft).—[[User:Bagumba|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba|talk]]) 11:38, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
**The nominee counts have been in these articles (including other awards) and have been accepted without the need for sourcing in the past. There's almost no error involved if one takes the nominee list into a text editor and does appropriate searching to count up instances. Completely allowed under CALC. Will also add that while full tables cannot be had from the sourced, the sources at the time of nomination news do look at the top 3-5 eg [https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/12/entertainment/emmy-awards-2023-nominations/index.html]<span id="Masem:1705930060086:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> —&nbsp;[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 13:27, 22 January 2024 (UTC)</span>
*'''Oppose as Stale''' Posting an election, moon landing or accession a week late isn't that bad, because these things have lasting impact, but award show glory is fleeting. These tables now mostly interest Emmy trivia buffs rather than water-cooler talkers, I think, and they know where to find them. Maybe next year. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 16:25, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
{{abot}}

==== RD: Stephen Laybutt ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Stephen Laybutt
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-01-15/socceroos-stephen-laybutt-dead-northern-nsw/103320868
| updated       = Yes
| nominator     = HiLo48 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}} Australian soccer player. [[User:HiLo48|HiLo48]] ([[User talk:HiLo48|talk]]) 06:00, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Weak oppose''' Honors section needs citations, rest is short but adequate for RD. [[User:The Kip|<span style="color:#333f42;">'''The'''</span>]] [[User talk:The Kip|<span style="color:#b4975a;">'''Kip'''</span>]] 18:14, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' For a man notable for being a soccer player, the "Playing career" section is ridiculously thin. [[User:Nigej|Nigej]] ([[User talk:Nigej|talk]]) 17:23, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
* A stubby wikibio (under 280 words of prose) in need of better sourcing (half of the Early life and career section is unreferenced, so is the entire Honours section). --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 22:32, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

====(Closed) Real Madrid wins Supercopa de España ====
{{archive top|Consensus to post a minor tournament like this will not develop. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 10:16, 15 January 2024 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = 2024 Supercopa de España final <!-- Do not wikilink -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = [[Real Madrid]] [[2024 Supercopa de España final|defeats]] [[FC Barcelona]] by 4-1 to win their 13th [[Supercopa de España]]  <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb      = [[Real Madrid]] [[2024 Supercopa de España final|emerges victorious]] over [[FC Barcelona]] with a 4-1 scoreline, securing their 13th [[Supercopa de España]] title.
 <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       =  [https://www.marca.com/en/soccer/spanish-supercopa/r-madrid-barcelona/2024/01/14/01_0113_20240114_186_178-live.html] <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     =  Harvici<!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator       = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}} <!-- Additional comments go before here -->  One of the biggest rivalry in football , and big victory for Real Madrid [[User:Harvici|Harvici]]  05:52, 15 January 2024 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->
*'''Oppose''' for the same reason [[The Boat Race]] or the [[Army-Navy game]] are not in ITN. The La Liga championship is already posted to ITN. Doesn't matter if it's a rivalry or not. [[User:DarkSide830|DarkSide830]] ([[User talk:DarkSide830|talk]]) 06:04, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' minor tournament only featuring 4 teams. Technically this is not like The Boat Race or the Army-Navy Game, as those are fixed teams. But still not major enough for ITN. [[User:Natg 19|Natg 19]] ([[User talk:Natg 19|talk]]) 06:20, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' pretty much an exhibition tournament, hence it was hosted in Saudi Arabia not in Spain. [[User:Abcmaxx|Abcmaxx]] ([[User talk:Abcmaxx|talk]]) 06:49, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per everyone else. [[User:Blaylockjam10|Blaylockjam10]] ([[User talk:Blaylockjam10|talk]]) 07:17, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' based on precedent that we didn't run the [[2023 FA Community Shield]] and also because its not listed on [[WP:ITNR]]. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.5em 0.5em 0.6em;"> '''[[User:The C of E|<span style="color:red;">The C of E </span><span style="color:blue;"> God Save the King!</span>]]''' ([[User talk:The C of E|<span style="color:darkblue;">talk</span>]])</span> 07:29, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' This is by any sensible metric a bigger and more significant sport event than the [[2024 College Football Playoff National Championship]], but we shouldn't overflood ITN with too many football stories when we already have La Liga on ITN/R.--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 08:15, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per all the above. Nothing like significant enough for the blurb. [[User:Nigej|Nigej]] ([[User talk:Nigej|talk]]) 09:46, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per pretty much all above. Not significant enough. '''[[Scientia potentia est]]''', <span style="background-color: darkorange">[[User:MonarchOfTerror|<span style="color: yellow">'''Monarch'''</span>]][[User talk:MonarchOfTerror|<span style="color: darkblue">'''OfTerror'''</span>]]</span> 09:49, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' association football cup series like these generally get way less coverage than their league equivalents, and this is also the case here. [[User:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b>]][[User talk:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#000000">2302</b>]] ([[User talk:Joseph2302|talk]]) 10:14, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
{{ab}}

====(Posted) Inauguration of Arévalo in Guatemala ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Inauguration of Bernardo Arévalo <!-- Do not wikilink -->
| image         = Arévalo, juramento-posesión 2024 (cropped).jpg<!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = [[Bernardo Arévalo]] is '''[[Inauguration of Bernardo Arévalo|inaugurated]]''' as President of Guatemala. <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb      = [[Bernardo Arévalo]] is '''[[Inauguration of Bernardo Arévalo|inaugurated]]''' as President of Guatemala after multiple attempts to obstruct the event. <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = 
| altblurb3     = 
| sources       =[https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/guatemalas-arevalo-due-assume-presidency-with-difficult-path-ahead-2024-01-14/] [https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/01/14/guatemala-bernardo-arevalo-inauguration/] [https://www.axios.com/2024/01/15/guatemala-bernardo-arevalo-inauguration-delayed]  <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = River10000 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator       = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}} Extremely important occurrence in Central America, following months of obstruction from the establishment in Guatemala. Moved to Jan 15th since the inauguration occurred after midnight. Blurbs can be adjusted as seen fit. [[User:River10000|River10000]]  08:13, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

:'''''Iffy''''' - I could go either way on this. On one hand the multiple attempts to block this from happening makes it notable, on the other hand we rarely post inaugurations of presidents, only elections (I don't know if we posted the 2023 election).  [[User:PrecariousWorlds|PrecariousWorlds]] ([[User talk:PrecariousWorlds|talk]]) 08:20, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' &ndash; One-line update. ~[[User:Maplestrip|<span style="color:#005080">Maplestrip/Mable</span>]] ([[User talk:Maplestrip|<span style="color:#700090">chat</span>]]) 11:12, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
**There's an [[Inauguration of Bernardo Arévalo|''entire article's'']] worth of updates. —[[User:Cryptic|Cryptic]] 11:24, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
***Why in the world is this not wikilinked in this nomination ''or'' anywhere in article. I support this being featured if the election itself hadn't been. I will still say that Arévalo's article needs work too. Would it be alright if we change the original nomination template to propose the inauguration article instead? ~[[User:Maplestrip|<span style="color:#005080">Maplestrip/Mable</span>]] ([[User talk:Maplestrip|<span style="color:#700090">chat</span>]]) 12:22, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
***:It's been changed now. I wasn't aware of the article either tbh. [[User:River10000|River10000]] ([[User talk:River10000|talk]]) 16:08, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' - the article about the inauguration itself should also be linked to in the blurb if this gets posted, as Arévalo's article has very limited information (essentially just one line). [[User:Bucket of sulfuric acid|Bucket of sulfuric acid]] ([[User talk:Bucket of sulfuric acid|talk]]) 14:34, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
*:It's been changed. [[User:River10000|River10000]] ([[User talk:River10000|talk]]) 16:08, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' considerably more significant than some rich kid taking over mommy’s job in Denmark. '''[[User talk:Nableezy|<span style="color:#C11B17;font-size:90%">nableezy</span>]]''' -  15:09, 15 January 2024 (UTC) - support alt as that’s the reason this is significant. '''[[User talk:Nableezy|<span style="color:#C11B17;font-size:90%">nableezy</span>]]''' -  22:26, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

{{hat|Enough. [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 23:00, 15 January 2024 (UTC)}}
*:An admin closed your thread in that discussion exactly because of this behavior, I’d suggest you strike the comment and quit it. [[User:The Kip|<span style="color:#333f42;">'''The'''</span>]] [[User talk:The Kip|<span style="color:#b4975a;">'''Kip'''</span>]] 17:46, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
*::i suggest you not repeat the badgering of people who have opinions you dislike. '''[[User talk:Nableezy|<span style="color:#C11B17;font-size:90%">nableezy</span>]]''' -  21:11, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
*:::Let's not do this again. Enough of the battleground behaviour already. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 21:15, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
*::::Jesus Christ I am not looking to engage with you anywhere, is there a reason you are incapable of leaving me alone? '''[[User talk:Nableezy|<span style="color:#C11B17;font-size:90%">nableezy</span>]]''' -  21:17, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
*:::::I'm not looking to engage with you either. If you stopped with the battleground behaviour and incivility then I wouldnt feel the need to call it out. You are the ''only'' person at ITN who is behaving like this. Like I said, there is no reason for you to be uncivil toward me, there is no reason for you to answer me if you don't want to, and I'm not just going to let your incivility toward ''other'' editors here stand. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 21:22, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
*::::::{{tq| I'm not looking to engage with you either.}} then stop or I’ll ask that you be made to. '''[[User talk:Nableezy|<span style="color:#C11B17;font-size:90%">nableezy</span>]]''' -  22:19, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
*:While I agree with your sentiment, ITN isn't an appropriate place to say this. -- [[User:Rockstone35|<span style="color:#DF0101"><b>Rockstone</b></span>]][[User talk:Rockstone35|<span style="color:0000ff;font-size:15px"><sup><small><b>Send me a message!</b></small></sup></span>]] 21:53, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
*::Indeed. They have ''four separate editors telling them to stop such behaviour'' within the last 24 hours just on this page. If anyone's going to be made to stop, it's likely going to be them. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 22:25, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
*:::You can add a fifth one here. [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#947E00">Chaotıċ<span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:30deg;color:indigo">Enby</span></span>]]([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|contribs]]) 22:46, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
*::::If you all don’t like how I’m judging significance you can point to some overriding policy on it. I have not been uncivil in the slightest, and the repeated badgering of my !vote is getting beyond annoying. You don’t like my vote? Ah well, I don’t like lots of things on the internet. '''[[User talk:Nableezy|<span style="color:#C11B17;font-size:90%">nableezy</span>]]''' -  22:48, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
*:::::I agree with the point made in your vote, but it is the wording that is unnecessarily rude and not really productive for the discussion. Also, raising an objection one time about a comment's wording isn't badgering, that would be going under every comment and repeatedly demanding you to change your wording. [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#947E00">Chaotıċ<span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:30deg;color:indigo">Enby</span></span>]]([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|contribs]]) 22:55, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
*::::::Rude to who? Not liking an opinion isn’t the basis for a complaint, especially by a user like JM2023 or whatever their username is having been annoying me across a range of pages, including my own user talk. Anyway, my !vote is that this is more significant than the non story of somebody inheriting a job that we currently feature, so I support its inclusion. If somebody has a problem with that, oh well. '''[[User talk:Nableezy|<span style="color:#C11B17;font-size:90%">nableezy</span>]]''' -  22:58, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
{{hab}}
*'''Weak oppose''' The efforts to stop it were/are important, but the fact it ultimately went through as planned moreso makes this a “business as usual” story rather than something truly notable. [[User:The Kip|<span style="color:#333f42;">'''The'''</span>]] [[User talk:The Kip|<span style="color:#b4975a;">'''Kip'''</span>]] 17:48, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

:<s>'''Comment''' did we cover the election? If so, I oppose this nomination. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 21:16, 15 January 2024 (UTC)</s> '''Oppose''' as the election was indeed posted. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 21:57, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' If there's a mention that he was sworn-in following a delay by the country's congress and several legal attempts to overturn his election. The threats of his win being overturned/his delay had received coverage. --[[User:TDKR Chicago 101|TDKR Chicago 101]] ([[User talk:TDKR Chicago 101|talk]]) 21:24, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
*[[/August 2023#(Posted) 2023 Guatemalan general election]], The election was posted. [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 21:52, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

*'''Support''' - this is more important and interesting than the coronation of a new monarch in Denmark, in my opinion, but also, the fact that the inauguration was significantly delayed makes it notable, even though we covered the election. -- [[User:Rockstone35|<span style="color:#DF0101"><b>Rockstone</b></span>]][[User talk:Rockstone35|<span style="color:0000ff;font-size:15px"><sup><small><b>Send me a message!</b></small></sup></span>]] 21:52, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support on notability''' but the article could benefit from an improvement in quality --[[User:MtPenguinMonster|MtPenguinMonster]] ([[User talk:MtPenguinMonster|talk]]) 22:42, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support on notability''', pretty rare for an inauguration to be notable separately from the election, but the surrounding context (especially the fact that the inauguration wasn't at all guaranteed to happen smoothly, if at all) definitely make this one notable. [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#947E00">Chaotıċ<span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:30deg;color:indigo">Enby</span></span>]]([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|contribs]]) 22:47, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. We posted the election results and I believe some of the surrounding protests? Not without noteworthiness, but this event has been inevitable for a month since the Constitutional Court ruled the election results were valid. [[User:DarkSide830|DarkSide830]] ([[User talk:DarkSide830|talk]]) 00:42, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
*:* The protests never ended up getting posted. The election itself was but never the attempts to cancel it after.
*:[[User:River10000|River10000]] ([[User talk:River10000|talk]]) 01:10, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' I'd like to see more context in the context section of the article (especially if altblurb is used), but given said context, this is clearly significant enough to post. [[User:Banedon|Banedon]] ([[User talk:Banedon|talk]]) 03:07, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
* '''Oppose''': Election was already posted and we don't usually post inaugurations. [[User:Tofusaurus|Tofusaurus]] ([[User talk:Tofusaurus|talk]]) 06:05, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support altblurb''' The attempts to block Arévalo’s inauguration make it ITN-worthy. [[User:Blaylockjam10|Blaylockjam10]] ([[User talk:Blaylockjam10|talk]]) 08:15, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' we didnt post US Inaugurations [[User:Setarip|Setarip]] ([[User talk:Setarip|talk]]) 11:32, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support altblurb''' on quality and notability. --[[User:NoonIcarus|NoonIcarus]] ([[User talk:NoonIcarus|talk]]) 12:52, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support altblurb''' We don't normally post presidential inaugurations. But this case is totally different and its notoriety is easily visible and understandable by reading the news and articles about Arévalo and his inauguration. The quality of the inauguration article could be better, but it's just enough for it to be posted. [[User:Alsoriano97|_-_Alsor]] ([[User talk:Alsoriano97|talk]]) 15:36, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Admin note''' this has enough support to be posted, both in the quality and number of !votes, but I'm not seeing any details in the article about the "multiple attempts to cancel his inauguration". I've read the news and know that political opponents were organizing in a last-ditch effort to delay and weaken Arévalo's presidency (notably not cancel/prevent, at least from what I've seen). Why isn't any of that info included? The altblurb could also be tweaked to avoid repeating forms of the word inauguration. [[User:The ed17|Ed]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:The ed17|[talk]]]&nbsp;[[WP:OMT|[OMT]]]</sup> 18:45, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
*:* I've went ahead and added the word obstruct instead. Debatably fits better. Also will add context about election canceling to the article asap. (I've now added a bit more context from the 2023 guatemalan election page)
*:[[User:River10000|River10000]] ([[User talk:River10000|talk]]) 19:13, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. Usually the inauguration is a formality and not worth posting, but in this case there was enough going on to make it doubtful that the inauguration would happen. The [[Inauguration of Bernardo Arévalo]] article now also has a section explaining the context. [[User:Ucucha|Ucucha]] ([[User talk:Ucucha|talk]]) 03:42, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' Alt Blurb. I agree that "we usually don't post inaugurations", but there usually aren't attempts to not have them. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 04:01, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
== January 14 ==
{{cot|[[Portal:Current events/2024 January 14]]}}
{{Portal:Current events/2024 January 14}}
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==== (Posted) RD: Munawwar Rana ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Munawwar Rana
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/renowned-urdu-poet-munawwar-rana-dies-at-71-4863447
| updated       = yes
| nominator     = Harvici <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = QuadriOnMobile , Jkaharper <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}} Famous Indian urdu poet <!-- Additional comments go before here --> [[User:Harvici|Harvici]] 09:07, 15 January 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->
*'''Support''' Article seems to be well referenced. Though it doesn't include the typical section on his notable works. [[User:Schwinnspeed|Schwinnspeed]] ([[User talk:Schwinnspeed|talk]]) 01:33, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 00:14, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

==== (Closed) Ongoing : 2024 Ecuadorian conflict ====
{{atop|No consensus to post to ongoing. [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 19:31, 21 January 2024 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = 2024 Ecuadorian conflict
| image         = 
| blurb         = 
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = add <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [https://nos.nl/artikel/2504833-alle-gegijzelde-gevangenismedewerkers-vrijgelaten-in-ecuador/ NOS]
| updated       = yes
| nominator     = lukt64
}}

*'''Oppose''' Last news update to article was on the 11th, there doesn't seem to be that much coverage or activity of this for a sustained ongoing. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 23:20, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Wait''' If important news come out of the country, it would be good to have it, but not every low-intensity conflict needs to be Ongoing by default. As much as it looks like it, it isn't a "current wars" ticker. [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#947E00">Chaotıċ<span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:30deg;color:indigo">Enby</span></span>]]([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|contribs]]) 23:49, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
*:I wonder if it should be put in the secondary Ongoing tier which is visible in [[Portal:Current events]]. I don't know the process for that though. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 23:52, 14 January 2024 (UTC) Although now that I look at it, [[Ecuadorian security crisis]] covering 2020-present is already there. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 02:57, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
*:'''Wait''' - per @[[User:Chaotic Enby|Chaotic Enby]]. If situation continues to deteriorate after a few days, then we can put it up. [[User:PrecariousWorlds|PrecariousWorlds]] ([[User talk:PrecariousWorlds|talk]]) 08:31, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Wait''' per CE. [[User:The Kip|<span style="color:#333f42;">'''The'''</span>]] [[User talk:The Kip|<span style="color:#b4975a;">'''Kip'''</span>]] 17:48, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' the conflict in Equador is really an extension of the [[Mexican drug war]] which might be a better ongoing candidate. Sadly the utter collapse of these countries has made routine the assassination of judges, the slaughter of children, the beheading of villages, such that there aren't regular updates of the savage barbarism there. --[[Special:Contributions/24.125.98.89|24.125.98.89]] ([[User talk:24.125.98.89|talk]]) 10:21, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
*:I genuinely think you could tone down your wording a little bit when saying things like {{tq|savage barbarism}}, especially since it's not the first time [[Special:Diff/1194653100|you use]] this kind of language to describe Latin Americans. [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#947E00">Chaotıċ<span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:30deg;color:indigo">Enby</span></span>]]([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|contribs]]) 15:12, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
*::I don't know how else to describe a continent that has 8% of the world population but 33% of the murder [https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2018/04/11/latin-americas-homicide-epidemic] and literally [[Day of the Dead|celebrates death]] except as irredeemably violent and depraved. --[[Special:Contributions/24.125.98.89|24.125.98.89]] ([[User talk:24.125.98.89|talk]]) 17:40, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
*:::There's a difference between honoring and remembering the deceased and celebrating death itself. Please stop with these racist generalizations based on gross cultural misunderstandings. [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#947E00">Chaotıċ<span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:30deg;color:indigo">Enby</span></span>]]([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|contribs]]) 18:06, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
*:::Such a xenophobe and ignorant comment. Let me guess where you're from... [[User:Bedivere|Bedivere]] ([[User talk:Bedivere|talk]]) 01:39, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
*::::No point in responding, the user is blocked. But what we also don't need is anything like {{tq|let me guess where you're from}} in response. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 03:16, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Wait, leaning toward support''' There are several new developments, including the death of the prosecutor probing the TV studio attack, and 43 prisoners escaping as reported by Reuters.  There is just so much going on in "ongoing" right now that this is considered relatively low-intensity. [[User:Schwinnspeed|Schwinnspeed]] ([[User talk:Schwinnspeed|talk]]) 01:47, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' was considering a nom of this myself [[User:Orbitalbuzzsaw|This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang]] ([[User talk:Orbitalbuzzsaw|talk]]) 05:01, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Poor quality of recent updates (single sentence proseline items). '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082529">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T•</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">C</span>]]</sup> 03:02, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
{{abot}}

==== (Closed) 2024 El Carmen de Atrato landslide  ====
{{atop|No consensus to post, and article remains a stub after a week. [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 22:59, 18 January 2024 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = 2024 El Carmen de Atrato landslide
| image         = 
| blurb         = '''[[2024 El Carmen de Atrato landslide|A landslide]]''' kills at least 34 people and injures at least 35 others in [[El Carmen de Atrato]], Colombia.
| recent deaths = no
| ongoing       = no
| ITNR          = no
| altblurb      = At least 34 people are killed and at least another 35 injured after '''[[2024 El Carmen de Atrato landslide|a landslide]]''' in the Colombian town of [[El Carmen de Atrato]], [[Chocó Department|Chocó]].
| sources       = [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/14/colombia-at-least-34-killed-after-mudslide-hits-busy-road Guardian], [https://apnews.com/article/colombia-mudslide-quibo-medellin-545edb2bd65d2f931956ea6fb0d06a4a AP], [https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/death-toll-rises-23-after-mudslide-northwest-colombia-2024-01-13/ Reuters], [https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-67967379 BBC], [https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2017/04/02/colombia-mudslide-deaths-romo-lok.cnn CNN]
| updated       = 
| nominator     = Ainty Painty
| creator       = ElijahPepe 
| updaters      = Abcmaxx, Filipinohere
}} [[User:Ainty Painty|Ainty Painty]] ([[User talk:Ainty Painty|talk]]) 17:09, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

*'''Oppose''' At this point in time, we don’t have a viable article. Also note that it happened in the [[Chocó Department]]; there is no city of that name and the blurb is thus wrong. '''[[User:Schwede66|<span style="color: #000000;">Schwede</span>]][[User talk:Schwede66|<span style="color: #FF4500;">66</span>]]''' 17:45, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
*Article has been created and switched in above. [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 20:42, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Merge and nomination amendment''' originally nominated article [[2024 Chocó landslide]] was merged into [[El Carmen de Atrato landslide]]. [[User:Abcmaxx|Abcmaxx]] ([[User talk:Abcmaxx|talk]]) 22:55, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
:: Now merged both into [[2024 El Carmen de Atrato landslide]] after page was moved again. [[User:Abcmaxx|Abcmaxx]] ([[User talk:Abcmaxx|talk]]) 06:45, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Oppose on quality''' article is 1 sentence. However, the Spanish and Portuguese articles are much longer, so if anyone wants to translate one or both of those, the quality issues will be resolved. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 23:24, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose on Quality'''. Target article shouldn't even be in the mainspace yet. [[User:DarkSide830|DarkSide830]] ([[User talk:DarkSide830|talk]]) 03:23, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose on quality''' as it’s a stub. [[User:The Kip|<span style="color:#333f42;">'''The'''</span>]] [[User talk:The Kip|<span style="color:#b4975a;">'''Kip'''</span>]] 03:29, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' - Stale [[User:PrecariousWorlds|PrecariousWorlds]] ([[User talk:PrecariousWorlds|talk]]) 17:56, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
{{abot}}

==== (Closed) 2024 Pingdingshan mining accident ====
{{atop|No consensus to post, and article remains a stub after a week. [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 22:58, 18 January 2024 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = 2024 Pingdingshan mining accident
| image         = 
| blurb         = '''[[2024 Pingdingshan mining accident|A coal mine accident]]''' in central China's [[Henan|Henan province]] leaves 13 people dead.
| recent deaths = no
| ongoing       = no
| ITNR          = no 
| altblurb      = '''[[2024 Pingdingshan mining accident|A coal mine accident]]''' in [[Pingdingshan]], [[Henan|Henan province]], has left 13 people dead and 3 people missing.
| altblurb2     = 
| sources       = [https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/1/13/at-least-10-killed-in-china-mining-accident Al Jazeera], [https://www.reuters.com/world/china/china-coal-mine-accident-kills-least-10-prompts-safety-checks-2024-01-13/ Reuters], [https://www.voanews.com/a/dead-6-missing-in-china-mining-accident-state-media-/7439178.html VOA], [https://apnews.com/article/china-coal-mine-cart-accident-dead-f891f84ae7c0a1510ab1d50abfe3f3fc AP], 
| updated       = 
| nominator     = Ainty Painty 
| creator       = 
| updaters      = 
}} [[User:Ainty Painty|Ainty Painty]] ([[User talk:Ainty Painty|talk]]) 16:46, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

:* '''Oppose''': Article is absolutely not ready. Incident bares no significance either and does not differ from any past mining incidents recently. [[User:Tofusaurus|Tofusaurus]] ([[User talk:Tofusaurus|talk]]) 17:06, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
:* '''Added altblurb''' [[User:Abcmaxx|Abcmaxx]] ([[User talk:Abcmaxx|talk]]) 20:10, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' as article is far too short for main page. [[User:The Kip|<span style="color:#333f42;">'''The'''</span>]] [[User talk:The Kip|<span style="color:#b4975a;">'''Kip'''</span>]] 17:49, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
{{abot}}

==== (Posted) RD: Lev Rubinstein ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Lev Rubinstein
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://meduza.io/news/2024/01/14/umer-poet-lev-rubinshteyn Meduza], [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/14/russian-poet-and-kremlin-critic-lev-rubinstein-dies-aged-76 The Guardian], [https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-67975595 BBC], [https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-poet-lev-rubinstein-dies-76-daughter-2024-01-14/ Reuters], [https://www.rfi.fr/en/international-news/20240114-russian-dissident-poet-rubinstein-dead-at-76 AFP], [https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2024/01/14/poet-lev-rubenstein-76-died-of-injuries-after-being-struck-by-car-a83669 Moscow Times]
| updated       = yes<!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Trepang2 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = Synotia <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}} Russian poet of great merit, one of the founders of [[Moscow conceptualism]], political/opinion journalist, vocal opponent of the war against Ukraine. Died after a traffic collision some days ago. Had an acclaimed [https://hyperallergic.com/180855/house-of-cards-the-poetry-of-lev-rubinstein/ book] in English, many books in other languages. [[User:Trepang2|Trepang2]] ([[User talk:Trepang2|talk]]) 10:34, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
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*'''Support''': the article looks in decent shape, although we might need to integrate a few more sources. [[User:Oltrepier|Oltrepier]] ([[User talk:Oltrepier|talk]]) 15:09, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' LGTM. [[User:QuicoleJR|QuicoleJR]] ([[User talk:QuicoleJR|talk]]) 22:10, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' No issues. '''[[Scientia potentia est]]''', <span style="background-color: darkorange">[[User:MonarchOfTerror|<span style="color: yellow">'''Monarch'''</span>]][[User talk:MonarchOfTerror|<span style="color: darkblue">'''OfTerror'''</span>]]</span> 09:42, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 22:39, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

==== (Posted) Danish royal succession ====
{{atop|There is clear consensus to post this, and it is unlikely it may change. No need for any further discussion.--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 08:32, 15 January 2024 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Frederik X <!-- Do not wikilink -->
| image         = File:Frederik, Crown Prince of Denmark in 2018.jpg <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = '''[[Frederik X]]''' succeeds [[Margrethe II]] as [[Monarchy of Denmark|king of Denmark]], after her abdication. <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb      =[[Margrethe II]] abdicates the throne and is succeeded by '''[[Frederik X]]''' as [[Monarchy of Denmark|king of Denmark]]. <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = [[Margrethe II]] '''[[Abdication of Margrethe II|abdicates]]''' the throne and is succeeded by [[Frederik X]] as [[Monarchy of Denmark|king of Denmark]]. <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       =[https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/14/europe/denmark-royals-frederik-mary-proclamation-king-queen-intl/index.html] [https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-67973458] [https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/01/14/denmark-king-frederik-succession-queen-margrethe/] [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/14/denmark-proclaims-king-frederik-queen-margrethe-abdicates] <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Natg 19 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator       = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
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:'''Support''' - Long live [[Frederik, Crown Prince of Denmark|Frederik X]]!  [[User:PrecariousWorlds|PrecariousWorlds]] ([[User talk:PrecariousWorlds|talk]]) 09:28, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Support''' - Long live the King! [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#947E00">Chaotıċ<span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:30deg;color:indigo">Enby</span></span>]]([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|contribs]]) 10:52, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Support'''. [[User:MSN12102001|MSN12102001]] ([[User talk:MSN12102001|talk]]) 11:07, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Wait until he formally ascends, otherwise support altblurb''' - Article quality is sufficient for it to be posted. [[User:Tofusaurus|Tofusaurus]] ([[User talk:Tofusaurus|talk]]) 11:39, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
*<s>'''Oppose''' Frederik has not yet ascended as King (in about two hours as planned) and his article needs to be worked on: perhaps expand the content and, above all, that the information it have is referenced. [[User:Alsoriano97|_-_Alsor]] ([[User talk:Alsoriano97|talk]]) 11:48, 14 January 2024 (UTC)</s>
:'''Wait''' until 2:00 PM Danish time (when he is formally going to succeed his mother). Otherwise, '''support''' especially because the target article already looks good to be posted. [[User:Vida0007|Vida0007]] ([[User talk:Vida0007|talk]]) 12:28, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
:Should have done it right now (14:15 CEST). Need to wait for official confirmation. [[User:Gust Justice|Gust Justice]] ([[User talk:Gust Justice|talk]]) 13:15, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Support''' as per the reasons given above. - [[User:Therealscorp1an|Therealscorp1an]] ([[User talk:Therealscorp1an|talk]]) 13:25, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Support''' - all's good with the articles, formal accession is done. No need to wait much longer. [[User:Estar8806|estar8806]] ([[User talk:Estar8806|talk]]) [[Special:Contributions/Estar8806 |★]] 13:41, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Support''' - article looks good and he has ascended to the throne. Should we also link [[Abdication of Margrethe II]] in the blurb? - [[User:Azpineapple|<span style="color:#698d1b">'''az'''</span><span style="color:#db7c23">pineapple</span>]] &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Azpineapple|'''T''']]</sup>'''/'''<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Azpineapple|'''C''']]</sub> 13:44, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' on quality - too much uncited material in article. <small>'''''[[User:Polyamorph|Polyamorph]]''''' ([[User talk:Polyamorph#top|talk]])</small> 13:49, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' on quality - per above. [[User:Nigej|Nigej]] ([[User talk:Nigej|talk]]) 14:00, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
*: In addition, the dozen+ refs on that one statement in the Scientific support section is overkill. When there are that many sources to one sentence, that is a possible symptom of OR being pushed. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 14:13, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Support''' gaining major coverage around the world. Long live King Frederik X! Though I agree the abdication article should be linked and perhaps worded "following her abdication" rather than "after her abdication". [[User:Richiepip|Richiepip]] ([[User talk:Richiepip|talk]]) 14:52, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
*How is this ITNR? Elections of heads of state/government are ITNR. '''Oppose''' on significance, some lady quit her "job" and her son has taken over. Whopdee doo. '''[[User talk:Nableezy|<span style="color:#C11B17;font-size:90%">nableezy</span>]]''' -  15:19, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
:: A new head of state taking over is significant whether by election or inheritance. [[User:Richiepip|Richiepip]] ([[User talk:Richiepip|talk]]) 15:48, 14 January 2024 (UTC) 
{{hat|Enough. [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 04:33, 15 January 2024 (UTC)}}
:::It isnt ITNR if not by election, and it isnt significant if they have nothing significant about their powers. '''[[User talk:Nableezy|<span style="color:#C11B17;font-size:90%">nableezy</span>]]''' -  16:28, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
::::You're totally wrong on that one. Per [[WP:ITNELECTIONS]]: {{tq|Changes in the holder of the office which administer the executive of their respective state/government, in those countries which qualify under the criteria above, as listed at List of current heads of state and government except when that change was already posted as part of a general election.}} We just had the succession in Kuwait, and it was considered ITN/R because the Emir of Kuwait is the highest executive authority in that country. While ''this'' change isn't ITN/R, it's still significant because it's a change of monarch and it's all over the news. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 18:26, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
:::::That’s because the emir of Kuwait administers the executive. Which isn’t the case for the king of Denmark. Also, doesn’t appear to be all over the news that I read. Not on the front page of the New York Times, Washington post or Wall Street journal or Chicago tribune. '''[[User talk:Nableezy|<span style="color:#C11B17;font-size:90%">nableezy</span>]]''' -  19:03, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
::::::You said only changes by election are ITN/R, which was wrong. I am aware that the difference between Kuwait's emir and Denmark's king is executive power, which is exactly what I ''said'' in the two sentences right after the green quote. And fortunately, we at ITN are not limited to the front pages of a few major American newspapers; many here are also wary of systemic bias toward American perpsectives. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 19:30, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
:::::::The line you quoted is about ''Changes in the holder of the office '''which administer the executive''' of their respective state/government, in those countries which qualify under the criteria above, as listed at List of current heads of state and government except when that change was already posted as part of a general election.'' The line you quoted has literally nothing to do with a nomination for somebody who does not administer the executive. As far as not limited to a few major American newspapers, sure, but there has been no evidence offered that {{tq|it's all over the news}}, and my comment was a refutation of that. But kindly badger somebody else, I dont find this to be a particularly fruitful exchange. '''[[User talk:Nableezy|<span style="color:#C11B17;font-size:90%">nableezy</span>]]''' -  19:34, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
::::::::I don't know what you're trying to say here. For the second time, you said that changes in head of state are not ITN/R unless by election, I said that changes of head of state without election are ITN/R if the head of state is the the supreme executive authority, using that quoted section. I don't know why your response to that is to tell me that my quoted section has "nothing to do with a nomination for someboy who does not administer the executive" when ''I never said that it did in the first place''. You're disputing something that I never said. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 19:39, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::Again, please badger somebody else. '''[[User talk:Nableezy|<span style="color:#C11B17;font-size:90%">nableezy</span>]]''' -  19:42, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::I started writing my comment before you accused me of "badgering" and so didn't see your accusation until after I published. Regardless, you don't need to respond, and if anything, I'm being badgered considering you're arguing with me about ''something I never said in the first place''. Anyway, to respond to the second half of your comment that you added after the fact: using a few American front pages does not show that it's not "all over the news". I don't have to re-prove it, because the nominator provided four different sources from four different American and British top publications; that means it is indeed all over the news. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 19:45, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::All of those are well past the front page. But now that you know I’d like you to stop badgering me, can you stop plz? Thanks in advance. '''[[User talk:Nableezy|<span style="color:#C11B17;font-size:90%">nableezy</span>]]''' -  20:33, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::It doesn't matter whether they're on the front page or not. But just from a quick check of CNN and the Guardian, it's at the top of both home pages in the "headlines" section of both. I find it interesting that you consider me responding to you "badgering", but not you responding to me. You can't honestly expect me to stop responding to your arguments just because you call it badgering despite doing the same thing. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 20:39, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Um, you see who's !vote you're replying to right? The only place I see it on CNN's homepage is in its list of headlines, below ''Chiefs win, Coach Andy Reid’s mustache freezes and Taylor Swift bundles up in 4th-coldest game in NFL history''. Guess Reid's mustache freezing is a bigger story. '''[[User talk:Nableezy|<span style="color:#C11B17;font-size:90%">nableezy</span>]]''' -  21:05, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::::So it is at the top of the homepage under headlines, as I said. i.e., front page. So there is absolutely no reason for you to argue with me, since you apparently agree with me. Anyway, what's the policy that says an editor responding to an editor under the latter editor's !vote can be said to "badger" but the latter editor replying to the former editor's replies cannot be said to "badger"? [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 22:13, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::There is nothing good that can come from either of you continuing this back and forth. What's said is said, and what isn't said probably isn't worth saying. So probably a good time to chill. <small>'''''[[User:Polyamorph|Polyamorph]]''''' ([[User talk:Polyamorph#top|talk]])</small> 22:32, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::[[WP:SEALIONING]] '''[[User talk:Nableezy|<span style="color:#C11B17;font-size:90%">nableezy</span>]]''' -  02:17, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::There is abosutely no POV-pushing from me here at all. I agreed with Polyamorph that there was nothing more to say and that this was detrimental, but I just have to answer this allegation, because really? Accusing me of POV-pushing and bad faith, because why, I told you the guidelines and that this was on the front page? There's no POV to even take here. Come on. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 02:21, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::Can you please please please annoy somebody else? Pretty please? '''[[User talk:Nableezy|<span style="color:#C11B17;font-size:90%">nableezy</span>]]''' -  04:06, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::::Ugh... you're being disruptive at this point. If it annoys you that I respond to your baseless allegations of POV-pushing and bad faith, ''then don't make baseless allegations of POV-pushing and bad faith.'' [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 04:09, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::::lol needs that last word on somebody else’s !vote in a nomination that’s already posted. Go ahead, have at it. '''[[User talk:Nableezy|<span style="color:#C11B17;font-size:90%">nableezy</span>]]''' -  04:22, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
{{hab}}
*'''Oppose''' on quality and significance (specifically, phenomenally bad writing, and per Nableezy).  [[User talk:Serial Number 54129|<span style="color:blue">——Serial</span>]] 15:44, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Not Ready''' for the [[WP:CITE|usual reason]]. Gud bevare kongen! -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 15:59, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
*:And additionally that [[MOS:SANDWICH]] in "Personal interests" should be resolved. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 16:02, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Support on notability''' because while this is not ITN/R it's still a significant event. But, per above, the article is not ready due to quality. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 18:29, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
::I also think that the abdication should be the linked article, so I've proposed and support '''Altblurb II'''; the abdication article is already of sufficient quality, so any quality concerns I had are moot, and the change in target article would also alleviate all above quality concerns by others if their support is changed to Alt2. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 19:53, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' only ceremonial role, and we pulled the French PM change which was a much more meaningful change. Royal news is essentially no more than celebrity news in the modern world and has no real impact at all as their roles are completely redundant. [[User:Abcmaxx|Abcmaxx]] ([[User talk:Abcmaxx|talk]]) 20:14, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
*:It's much, much more than just celebrity news. I agree we should've posted the French PM, why not both? [[User:PrecariousWorlds|PrecariousWorlds]] ([[User talk:PrecariousWorlds|talk]]) 20:38, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
*::How is it ''much much more''? A YouTuber, multinational company CEO or Instagram influencer has more influence on the world [[User:Abcmaxx|Abcmaxx]] ([[User talk:Abcmaxx|talk]]) 23:26, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Support''' - We posted separately the ascension and coronation of Charles and Camilla. This is, in some ways, both an ascension and coronation for the Danish Realm, and so highly significant. Wide media coverage, as has been pointed out. In addition, I also think it's crucial that we also include [[Queen Mary of Denmark|Queen Mary]] in the blurb. Her ascension has been reported in its own right for her Australian roots (eg. [https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/crowds-gather-to-catch-first-glimpse-of-australia-s-mary-the-new-queen-of-denmark-20240114-p5ex6e.html SMH], [https://edition.cnn.com/videos/world/2024/01/12/queen-mary-denmark-contd-lon-orig-tp.cnn CNN], [https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/03/world/australia/denmark-princess-mary-queen.html NYT], [https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-67860144 BBC]), but in any case her ascension to queen consort is significant enough to report on ITN. [[User:JMonkey2006|JMonkey2006]] ([[User talk:JMonkey2006|talk]]) 21:46, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
::*{{tq|We posted separately the ascension and coronation of Charles and Camilla}} and that was a mistake. I understand that some people love monarchies for some reason, but Wikipedia shouldn't have. It was heavily inappropriate (and I felt bad for all the British citizens who are not monarchists but had to be constantly reminded of the monarchy).  -- [[User:Rockstone35|<span style="color:#DF0101"><b>Rockstone</b></span>]][[User talk:Rockstone35|<span style="color:0000ff;font-size:15px"><sup><small><b>Send me a message!</b></small></sup></span>]] 05:46, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support alt2''': Notable event, and iirc, when her abdication was first announced, there was consensus to wait until Jan 14. [[User:ARandomName123|ARandomName123]] ([[User talk:ARandomName123|talk]])<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup>  21:52, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
*:You indeed RC. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 21:58, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
*:yes, good point.  [[User:Alsoriano97|_-_Alsor]] ([[User talk:Alsoriano97|talk]]) 22:08, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support alt2''' the article on Margrethe's abdication is in great condition. So if that is the article we could put in bold highlighted, this nomination is '''ready''' to be posted. It's very important to know about monarchies before questioning the notability of an abdication and the ascension of a crown prince/princess to the throne. [[User:Alsoriano97|_-_Alsor]] ([[User talk:Alsoriano97|talk]]) 22:07, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
*:You get born in the right order at the right time and by this mere fact irrelevant of merit or anything else one becomes a monarch. That is all there is to it and it's hard ''not'' to question its notability. [[User:Abcmaxx|Abcmaxx]] ([[User talk:Abcmaxx|talk]]) 23:28, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
*::It's a head of state, a person ostensibly considered sovereign, and it's the second abdication in this country ever, and the first in nearly 1,000 years. Seems notable enough, even when the person has little practical power. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 01:10, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
*:::If a change in the French PM isn’t notable enough for ITN, I normally wouldn’t consider a change in a ceremonial monarchy notable enough for ITN. However, the 1st abdication in Denmark in nearly 1,000 years would make this more notable than most changes in a ceremonial monarchy. That should be noted in the blurb. [[User:Blaylockjam10|Blaylockjam10]] ([[User talk:Blaylockjam10|talk]]) 07:08, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 22:35, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Late oppose''' A poorly written article that fails to meet any level of importance or readability for the average Wikipedia user [[User:Dreameditsbrooklyn|Dreameditsbrooklyn]] ([[User talk:Dreameditsbrooklyn|talk]]) 03:56, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
::Are you referring to the blurbed article (the abdication article)? [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 04:02, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
:::I am, sorry if I put this in the wrong place. [[User:Dreameditsbrooklyn|Dreameditsbrooklyn]] ([[User talk:Dreameditsbrooklyn|talk]]) 04:22, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
::::I'm really not seeing how [[Abdication of Margrethe II#|this]] is poorly written and unreadable. What specifically is the issue? [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 05:53, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Post-posting oppose''' - I might be in the minority here, but the king of Denmark has no real power, so it's silly to blurb this. I'm not convinced that it matters enough to warrant posting. --[[User:Rockstone35|<span style="color:#DF0101"><b>Rockstone</b></span>]][[User talk:Rockstone35|<span style="color:0000ff;font-size:15px"><sup><small><b>Send me a message!</b></small></sup></span>]] 05:43, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Post-Posting Support'''. Change in head of state. [[User:DarkSide830|DarkSide830]] ([[User talk:DarkSide830|talk]]) 05:57, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
{{abot}}
== January 13 ==
{{cot|[[Portal:Current events/2024 January 13]]}}
{{Portal:Current events/2024 January 13}}
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==== (Posted) RD: Romuald Twardowski ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Romuald Twardowski
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.polskieradio.pl/395/7791/artykul/3316566,composer-romuald-twardowski-dies-at-93 Polskie Radio]
| updated       = yes
| nominator     = Gerda Arendt
| updaters      = Gerda Arendt
}} Prolific Polish composer in many genres from opera to choral works for Catholic and Orthodox church. Most of the article was there but needed references. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 08:53, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 01:28, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

==== RD: Alec Musser ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Alec Musser
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/alec-musser-dead-all-my-children-actor-1235787397/]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Natg 19 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = 
}} American actor. Needs a lot of work. [[User:Natg 19|Natg 19]] ([[User talk:Natg 19|talk]]) 19:36, 14 January 2024 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->
*'''Oppose''' Still needs work. '''[[Scientia potentia est]]''', <span style="background-color: darkorange">[[User:MonarchOfTerror|<span style="color: yellow">'''Monarch'''</span>]][[User talk:MonarchOfTerror|<span style="color: darkblue">'''OfTerror'''</span>]]</span> 09:37, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

==== (Posted) RD: Joyce Randolph ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Joyce Randolph
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/14/obituaries/joyce-randolph-dead.html]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Natg 19 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = 
}} American actress. [[User:Natg 19|Natg 19]] ([[User talk:Natg 19|talk]]) 19:31, 14 January 2024 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->
*'''Support''' Article appears sufficient. '''[[Scientia potentia est]]''', <span style="background-color: darkorange">[[User:MonarchOfTerror|<span style="color: yellow">'''Monarch'''</span>]][[User talk:MonarchOfTerror|<span style="color: darkblue">'''OfTerror'''</span>]]</span> 09:37, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support'''seems ready enough-[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] <small>([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])</small> 13:08, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 22:18, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

==== (Posted) RD: Bernard Descôteaux ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Bernard Descôteaux
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://montrealgazette.com/news/local-news/bernard-descoteaux-former-editor-in-chief-of-le-devoir-dead-at-77 Montreal Gazette]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Ktin <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = Ktin, EclecticEnnui, Jkaharper
}} Canadian journalist. <s>Article needs some work. I will work on this later tonight unless someone gets to it before me. </s> Basic edits done. Article has shaped into a basic-start class biography.[[User:Ktin|Ktin]] ([[User talk:Ktin|talk]]) 00:37, 14 January 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->
*'''Support''' Article looks sufficient. '''[[Scientia potentia est]]''', <span style="background-color: darkorange">[[User:MonarchOfTerror|<span style="color: yellow">'''Monarch'''</span>]][[User talk:MonarchOfTerror|<span style="color: darkblue">'''OfTerror'''</span>]]</span> 09:31, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 22:16, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

==== (Posted) RD: Tom Shales ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Tom Shales
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.washingtonpost.com/obituaries/2024/01/13/tom-shales-washington-ppost-tv-critic-obituary-dead/]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Muboshgu <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = Muboshgu, Sunshineisles2
}} <!-- Additional comments go before here --> &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 17:07, 13 January 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->
*'''Support''' Article is of sufficient quality. '''[[Scientia potentia est]]''', <span style="background-color: darkorange">[[User:MonarchOfTerror|<span style="color: yellow">'''Monarch'''</span>]][[User talk:MonarchOfTerror|<span style="color: darkblue">'''OfTerror'''</span>]]</span> 09:29, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 22:14, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

==== (Posted) 2024 Taiwanese presidential election ====
{{ITN candidate|article=2024 Taiwanese presidential election|image=副總統賴清德官方肖像.jpg|blurb=[[Lai Ching-te]] is '''[[2024 Taiwanese presidential election|elected]]''' [[President of the Republic of China|President of Taiwan]].|altblurb=[[Vice President of the Republic of China|Vice President]] [[Lai Ching-te]] is '''[[2024 Taiwanese presidential election|elected]]''' [[President of the Republic of China]] (Taiwan).|altblurb2=[[Lai Ching-te]], a supporter of [[Taiwanese independence]], is '''[[2024 Taiwanese presidential election|elected]]''' [[President of the Republic of China|President of Taiwan]].|sources=[https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/13/taiwan-ruling-partys-lai-ching-te-wins-presidential-election The Guardian] - [https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/taiwan-election-vice-president-lai-wins-vote-defying-china-rcna133597 NBC News] - [https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/1/13/taiwan-ruling-partys-lai-wins-presidential-election Al Jazeera]|ITNR=yes|nominator=Tofusaurus|nom cmt=Historic election in Taiwan where the DPP has won a consecutive third term. A major result as well as it may impact the geopolitics of the region especially with China.|sign= - [[User:Tofusaurus|Tofusaurus]] ([[User talk:Tofusaurus|talk]]) 12:57, 13 January 2024 (UTC)}}
*'''Strong support'''. Very significant. [[Special:Contributions/64.231.205.137|64.231.205.137]] ([[User talk:64.231.205.137|talk]]) 13:28, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Support alt blurb''' - Major implications for region. [[User:PrecariousWorlds|PrecariousWorlds]] ([[User talk:PrecariousWorlds|talk]]) 14:45, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
:* '''Support,''' preferably with mention of his support for Taiwanese independence [[User:The sum of all human knowledge|The sum of all human knowledge]] ([[User talk:The sum of all human knowledge|talk]]) 15:40, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
:*:bit weird to include policy proposals on election blurbs [[User:PrecariousWorlds|PrecariousWorlds]] ([[User talk:PrecariousWorlds|talk]]) 17:09, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
:*::Definitely - that starts getting into POV (even in this case, Taiwan's independence would be desirable for most of the rest of the world, that's still a POV)<span id="Masem:1705166123856:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> —&nbsp;[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 17:15, 13 January 2024 (UTC)</span>
:*:::Also I believe he doesn't support an actual declaration of independence, but rather strongly asserting Taiwan's sovereignty from PR China.  [[User:PrecariousWorlds|PrecariousWorlds]] ([[User talk:PrecariousWorlds|talk]]) 20:44, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Support on quality''' but ideally the section move proposal should be dealt with soon, otherwise, nothing problematic stands out. ITN/R so no question about notability, agree that the mention of Taiwanese independence support ('''Altblurb II''') should be added for context. [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#947E00">Chaotıċ<span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:30deg;color:indigo">Enby</span></span>]]<span style="font-size:85%">([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|c]])</span> 16:39, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''': No preference on blurb/altblurb. If someone wants to include the mention of his independence support, please provide an altblurb. I'm leaning oppose on that mention for now, however. [[User:ARandomName123|ARandomName123]] ([[User talk:ARandomName123|talk]])<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup>  17:57, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - I was surprised it wasn't already listed. ♫ [[User:Hurricanehink|Hurricanehink]] (<small>[[User_talk:Hurricanehink|talk]]</small>)  19:18, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''', with strong preference for main blurb over altblurb per [[WP:COMMONNAME]], and "President of Taiwan" as by far the most widely used term in media coverage. Leaning oppose of [[Taiwan independence]] mention for [[WP:NPOV]], as even the definition of Taiwan independence is heavily contested. [[User:Butterdiplomat|Butterdiplomat]] ([[User talk:Butterdiplomat|talk]]) 19:52, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

:'''Support''' sufficient quality is present. Added Altblurb II for mention of Taiwanese independence support; I support '''Altblurb II''' and I don't think it's NPOV to mention that in the blurb. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 19:57, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support altblurb II; oppose other blurbs'''. It would be POV were this ITN entry to endorse or oppose Taiwanese independence, but not only is it ''not'' POV to state ''his'' position on the issue, but it would be missing important context on the significance of this news item to not do so. —[[User:Lowellian|Lowellian]] ([[User talk:Lowellian|reply]]) 21:18, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

:'''Support''' - Significant regional news with global implications. [[User talk:Melmann|<strong><span style="font-family:Segoe UI Semilight ; background-color: #ffd166; padding: 1px;"><span style="color: #ef476f;">Mel</span><span style="color: #8c8757;">ma</span><span style="color: #118ab2;">nn</span></span></strong>]] 22:17, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' INTR and article is in good shape [[User:Kcmastrpc|Kcmastrpc]] ([[User talk:Kcmastrpc|talk]]) 23:08, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

:'''Support''' per above [[User:Hungry403|Hungry403]] ([[User talk:Hungry403|talk]]) 23:22, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' with original blurb [[User:Orbitalbuzzsaw|This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang]] ([[User talk:Orbitalbuzzsaw|talk]]) 23:43, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

:Are we leaving out the legislative election? The Kuomintang won one more seat than the DPP. [[User:Howard the Duck|Howard the Duck]] ([[User talk:Howard the Duck|talk]]) 23:46, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
::You can propose an altblurb for that if that's what you want. It would probably be pretty long. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 01:04, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
::I think it is fine to leave out the legislative election in the blurb. Though significant for Taiwan, major international headlines including the [https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/13/world/asia/china-taiwan-election-result-analysis.html New York Times], [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/13/taiwan-ruling-partys-lai-ching-te-wins-presidential-election The Guardian], [https://www.npr.org/2024/01/13/1224576576/taiwan-ruling-party-wins-election NPR], etc. focused on the presidential race, particularly on the front page. [[User:Butterdiplomat|Butterdiplomat]] ([[User talk:Butterdiplomat|talk]]) 05:12, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
:::The result of legislative election is a clear indicator showing that the public opinion of Taiwanese is very unsteady, a large portion of electors prefer parties seeking less conflicted relationships with PRC (although not necessarily a causation). This should not be ignored or even oversimplified as "Taiwanese prefer independence". '''Oppose altblurb II''' and '''support altlurb''' before new altblurbs is proposed by the way. --[[User:Tiouraren|Tiouraren]] ([[User talk:Tiouraren|talk]]) 06:00, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
::::The Taiwanese prefer the status quo, which is what Lai explicitly pushed for. The presidential election dominated media coverage and headlines. No one is saying to leave out the legislative election in the articles - it is just not as important for the short blurb. [[User:Butterdiplomat|Butterdiplomat]] ([[User talk:Butterdiplomat|talk]]) 13:33, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Looks good, I'm hesitant on ALT2 because there is reporting that Lai supported the status quo position as opposed to Taiwanese independence. [[User:Ornithoptera|Ornithoptera]] ([[User talk:Ornithoptera|talk]]) 05:00, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' blurb 1 or alt1. [[User:Natg 19|Natg 19]] ([[User talk:Natg 19|talk]]) 05:16, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

:'''Support altblurb 2''' I think it's the clearest at explaining the significance of the event in an NPOV way. --[[User:MtPenguinMonster|MtPenguinMonster]] ([[User talk:MtPenguinMonster|talk]]) 05:58, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 07:12, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

==== (Closed) RD: Imam Hassan Sharif ====
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| status = 
| result = Article is nominated for deletion at [[WP:AfD|AfD]]. {{NAC}} [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 20:23, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Imam Hassan Sharif
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/newark-new-jersey-shooting-critical-injuries/ CBS]
| updated       = yes
| nominator     = Ainty Painty <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}} <!-- Additional comments go before here --> [[User:Ainty Painty|Ainty Painty]] ([[User talk:Ainty Painty|talk]]) 03:02, 13 January 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->

:'''Oppose''' Not recent and death has been known for ten days. [[User:Bedivere|Bedivere]] ([[User talk:Bedivere|talk]]) 13:46, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' he was murdered on 3 January. This nom is stale.  [[User:Alsoriano97|_-_Alsor]] ([[User talk:Alsoriano97|talk]]) 14:40, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' Aside from the fact that he might not pass notability requirements, his death happened too long ago. [[User:Johndavies837|Johndavies837]] ([[User talk:Johndavies837|talk]]) 16:25, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
{{abot}}
== January 12 ==
{{cot|[[Portal:Current events/2024 January 12]]}}
{{Portal:Current events/2024 January 12}}
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==== (Posted) RD: Bill Hayes (actor) ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Bill Hayes (actor)
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.thewrap.com/bill-hayes-dies-days-of-our-lives-obit/ The Wrap]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Thriley <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      =<!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}} [[User:Thriley|Thriley]] ([[User talk:Thriley|talk]]) 03:08, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
*Some unreferenced material in the personal section. [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 22:08, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' The unreferenced material in the personal section has references now, so this article now has enough details & references to be posted. [[User:Blaylockjam10|Blaylockjam10]] ([[User talk:Blaylockjam10|talk]]) 11:25, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 11:48, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

==== RD: Annie Nightingale ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Annie Nightingale
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-67955757 BBC], [https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2024/jan/12/annie-nightingale-radio-1-dj-dies-aged-83 The Guardian], [https://www.clashmusic.com/news/annie-nightingale-has-died/ Clash]
| updated       = yes
| nominator     = Oltrepier <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = MIDI, Mark and inwardly digest, woodensuperman, QuiltedBunny, Spectritus, Jkaharper
}} She was best known for being [[BBC Radio 1]]'s first female presenter and longest-serving host, as well as an innovative figure within British music and radio platforms. Unfortunately, the article is pretty much a mess at the moment (being in desperate need of sources and copy-editing), but I hope someone can help fix it! [[User:Oltrepier|Oltrepier]] ([[User talk:Oltrepier|talk]]) 16:41, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

* There are still a number of footnote-free paragraphs, so sourcing in this wikibio seems rather inadequate. Please add more REFs. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 06:29, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

==== (Posted) 2024 Yemeni airstrikes ====
{{ITN candidate|article=2024 Yemeni airstrikes|image=2024 missile strikes against Yemen.svg|blurb=In Yemen, [[Operation Prosperity Guardian| a U.S-led coalition]] '''[[2024 Yemen airstrikes|airstrikes]]''' Yemeni [[Houthi movement|Houthi rebels]] amidst [[Houthi involvement in the Israel–Hamas war|an ongoing crisis]] in the [[Red Sea]],|sources=[https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2024/01/12/houthis-us-uk-airstrike-explosion-vpx.cnn CNN] - [https://apnews.com/article/yemen-houthis-biden-retaliation-attacks-0804b93372cd5e874a0dd03513fe36a2 AP] - ''[https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/houthis-rebels-attack-yemen-us-uk-b2477384.html The Independent]'' - [https://www.france24.com/en/middle-east/20240112-us-uk-launch-airstrikes-on-yemen-s-houthi-rebels France24] - ''[https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/jan/12/australia-military-support-yemen-airstrikes-us-uk The Guardian]''|nominator=Knightoftheswords281|creator=Sakiv|updaters=Sciophobiaranger, WeatherWriter, David O. Johnson, Brandon Downes, SaintPaulOfTarsus, Abo Yemen|nom cmt=A previous nom regarding the formation of the coalition was not posted; now that there has been actual military action, I think it's natural to bring this up again.|sign=— [[User:Knightoftheswords281|<span style="background:black; color:white; padding:2px;">'''Knightof'''</span>]][[User talk:Knightoftheswords281|<span style="background:#70c6ff; color:black; padding:2px;">'''theswords'''</span>]] 04:03, 12 January 2024 (UTC)}}
* '''support''' it's an obvious invasion to a country and it's important,  a high escalate invasion involving two mean power nations and their alleys  is indeed big news. [[User:3000MAX|3000MAX]] ([[User talk:3000MAX|talk]]) 04:39, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
*:I don't recommend calling them "mean power nations" as a reason for supporting, since it gives the impression of POV. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 07:34, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

:'''Support''', I'd also recommend adding the [[c:File:January_11th_airstrikes_on_houthis.png|map]] as a picture '''[[User:Abo Yemen|<span style="background:#9b360b;color:white;padding:2px;">Abo Yemen</span>]][[User talk:Abo Yemen|<span style="background:#9d6b06;color:white;padding:2px;">✉</span>]]''' 04:56, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Support on notability''', but the article needs to be improved before we post this. --[[User:MtPenguinMonster|MtPenguinMonster]] ([[User talk:MtPenguinMonster|talk]]) 05:19, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
::The article covered the whole thing splendidly, it's short because we're in the very early stage of the incident and there is very little detailed information released about the conflit.  [[User:3000MAX|3000MAX]] ([[User talk:3000MAX|talk]]) 05:54, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Support''' article is well-cited and I previously supported the Operation Prosperity Guardian nomination (and nominated it, but withdrew after you beat me to it) so of course I support this one. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 07:32, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Support''' - lets go. Hugely notable event, and there will be a lot more from this, so we could possibly put it in ongoing (I think it's detached enough from the war in Israel to count) [[User:PrecariousWorlds|PrecariousWorlds]] ([[User talk:PrecariousWorlds|talk]]) 08:03, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Support''' - Extremely notable news. Might be put in ongoing if this leads to a more long-term conflict, but I'd say we should wait for that first. Article is a bit short, but we can work on that. [[User:Bucket of sulfuric acid|Bucket of sulfuric acid]] ([[User talk:Bucket of sulfuric acid|talk]]) 08:17, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 08:21, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
*<s>'''Comment''' The article linked in the lead is currently a double redirect.</s> Fixed, but it's still a redirect now. [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#947E00">Chaotıċ<span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:30deg;color:indigo">Enby</span></span>]]<span style="font-size:85%">([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|c]])</span> 10:59, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Comment''' - I started a move request as the title of the article is misleading, implying the strikes were against Yemen as a country rather than one terrorist group within it [[User:PrecariousWorlds|PrecariousWorlds]] ([[User talk:PrecariousWorlds|talk]]) 11:27, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Support''' First joint U.S., U.K. airstrikes since the [[April 2018 missile strikes against Syria|2018 bombing of Syria]]. [[User:Ecrusized|Ecrusized]] ([[User talk:Ecrusized|talk]]) 12:14, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
== January 11 ==
{{cot|[[Portal:Current events/2024 January 11]]}}
{{Portal:Current events/2024 January 11}}
{{cob}}
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==== RD: Reggie Wells (makeup artist) ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Reggie Wells (makeup artist)
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/lifestyle/lifestyle-news/reggie-wells-dead-oprah-winfrey-makeup-artist-1235785677/ Hollywood Reporter]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Thriley <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator       = Thriley <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters      = Nowa
}} The personal makeup artist of [[Oprah Winfrey]] for nearly 30 years. Obit published 11 January. [[User:Thriley|Thriley]] ([[User talk:Thriley|talk]]) 22:09, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

*Death is not mentioned or referenced. [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 08:28, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
*:I just added that one sentence, but the article is still stubby. The intro has things not mentioned elsewhere in the article; perhaps these things should be elaborated upon in the main prose and such an expansion will make the wikibio less stubby. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 12:07, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

==== RD: Ruth Ashton Taylor ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Ruth Ashton Taylor
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2024-01-12/ruth-ashton-taylor-trailblazing-tv-journalist-dies-at-101 Los Angeles Times], [https://www.cbsnews.com/losangeles/news/ruth-ashton-taylor-first-female-newscaster-on-west-coast-dies-at-101/ CBS News]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = 240D:1A:4B5:2800:A0BE:FDB3:E27C:DE52 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}} First female television newscaster in Los Angeles. [[Special:Contributions/240D:1A:4B5:2800:A0BE:FDB3:E27C:DE52|240D:1A:4B5:2800:A0BE:FDB3:E27C:DE52]] ([[User talk:240D:1A:4B5:2800:A0BE:FDB3:E27C:DE52|talk]]) 12:56, 14 January 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->

*'''Support''' Well-referenced and updated. [[User:Gobonobo|<span style="font-family:DejaVu Sans; color: #333300">gobonobo</span>]] [[User talk:Gobonobo|<sup>+</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Gobonobo|<sup>c</sup>]] 14:50, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Comment:''' Article states that '' the lack of conventional roles for women in broadcasting had given her considerable freedom in the stories she selected to cover'' but does not give examples of notable stories that the subject covered; overall article could use additional depth. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082529">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T•</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">C</span>]]</sup> 07:42, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

==== (Closed) South Africa v. Israel (Genocide Convention) ====
{{atop|No consesus exists for posting; can be revisited once the judgement is passed. [[User:DatGuy|DatGuy]]<sup>[[User talk:DatGuy|Talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/DatGuy|Contribs]]</sub> 00:51, 16 January 2024 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
|article=South Africa v. Israel (Genocide Convention)
|blurb='''[[South Africa v. Israel (Genocide Convention)|A hearing begins]]''' on the [[International Court of Justice]] concerning claims of genocide perpetrated by the State of Israel during the ongoing [[Israel-Hamas War]].
|altblurb='''[[South Africa v. Israel (Genocide Convention)|Hearings concerning claims of genocide]]''' perpetrated by the State of Israel amidst the [[Israel-Hamas War]] begin on the [[International Court of Justice]].
|sources= [https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2024/01/01/israel-hamas-war-south-africa-brings-genocide-case-before-international-courts_6391608_4.html Le Monde] [https://archive.is/D8DtY Reuters] [https://apnews.com/article/world-court-israel-genocide-gaza-south-africa-774ab3c3d57fd7bcc627602eaf47fd98 AP News]
|nominator=YuriNikolai
}}Internationally relevant case with global coverage and reactions by dozens of states. ICJ decisions have regularly made In The News before. Article has disputed neutrality but is well sourced and developed. Relevant to currently-featured news concerning US-led airstrikes against Yemen, and vice-versa. [[User:YuriNikolai|YuriNikolai]] ([[User talk:YuriNikolai|talk]]) 04:35, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

:'''Oppose''' <s>orange tags disqualify ITN nominations. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 05:38, 13 January 2024 (UTC)</s> Orange tag has disappeared, but I still oppose on two other factors: significance and coverage by ongoing. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 20:03, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
::{{u|JM2023}} I will note the page's POV discussion has (currently) no explanation of the POVs that would be supposedly underrepresented, and editors generally agreeing that the page is well-balanced after recent edits. I have not removed the tag as the discussion is active, but I believe the tag is unwarranted. Please see the discussion and tell me what you think [[User:YuriNikolai|YuriNikolai]] ([[User talk:YuriNikolai|talk]]) 06:18, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

*'''Oppose''' This is already covered by the ongoing [[Israel–Hamas war]] entry which contains extensive accusations of genocide by both sides. [[user:Andrew Davidson|Andrew]]🐉([[user talk:Andrew Davidson|talk]]) 08:18, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' I think the court’s decision will be ITN-worthy, but I wouldn’t consider the hearings ITN-worthy. [[User:Blaylockjam10|Blaylockjam10]] ([[User talk:Blaylockjam10|talk]]) 08:50, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' As noted above this is covered by the [[Israel–Hamas war]] entry. While it could be argued that the [[2024 Yemeni airstrikes]] article is also part of that (which was posted), it seems to me that these proceedings are nothing like as significant, and I'm doubtful that they ever will be, even after any decision is announced. [[User:Nigej|Nigej]] ([[User talk:Nigej|talk]]) 09:45, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

:'''Oppose''' Covered by ongoing. [[User:Кирилл С1|Kirill C1]] ([[User talk:Кирилл С1|talk]]) 21:21, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

:'''Oppose''' - Per @[[User:Blaylockjam10|Blaylockjam10]] [[User:PrecariousWorlds|PrecariousWorlds]] ([[User talk:PrecariousWorlds|talk]]) 07:59, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' – I think we should post the beginning of this case but I also think we should post a lot more things. However, under our current precendent we would wait for the outcome of at least the initial order to post a blurb. I reject the idea that just because the war is listed in Ongoing that we would never post blurbs. That is not our established practice and we often post major events in Ongoing items. I certainly think the final outcome of this case (which is likely not coming for years) should be posted. ---&nbsp;[[User talk:Coffeeandcrumbs|<span style="color:blue;">C</span>]]&amp;[[Special:Contributions/Coffeeandcrumbs|<span style="color:#663366;">C</span>&nbsp;(]][[User:Coffeeandcrumbs|Coffeeandcrumbs]]) 14:07, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' as with most trials, we only post at the time of judgment, and given we have the ongoing, we don't need anything pre-judgment to be covered separately. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 14:14, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose and Close'''. At the very least waiting for a judgement is prudent here, even if I doubt one would pass either. [[User:DarkSide830|DarkSide830]] ([[User talk:DarkSide830|talk]]) 00:49, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
{{abot}}

==== (Posted) RD: Amalija Knavs ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Amalija Knavs
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/01/10/melania-trump-mother-dead-amalija-knavs/ Washington Post]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Thriley <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator       = Thriley 
| updaters      =<!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}} Mother of [[Melania Trump]]. [[User:Thriley|Thriley]] ([[User talk:Thriley|talk]]) 22:57, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 08:26, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

==== (Posted) RD: Lynja ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Lynja
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/11/dining/lynja-davis-cooking-tiktok-dead.html New York Times]
| updated       = yes
| nominator     = Gobonobo
| updaters      = Yoshiman6464, TomMasterReal
}} She died on January 1, but her death was announced on January 11. [[User:Gobonobo|<span style="font-family:DejaVu Sans; color: #333300">gobonobo</span>]] [[User talk:Gobonobo|<sup>+</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Gobonobo|<sup>c</sup>]] 20:37, 12 January 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->

:Wow, can't believe this is true. However, article does seem to need some work. [[User:BeamSkies47|BeamSkies47]] ([[User talk:BeamSkies47|talk]]) 03:16, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

::There is so much about her earlier life; I was able to find citations verifying her time at MIT through Newspapers.com. ''[[User:Yoshiman6464|<span style="font-family: courier; color:#0047ab">Yoshiman6464</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Yoshiman6464|♫🥚]]</sup>'' 11:23, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Support''' Well sourced and long enough. [[User:Nigej|Nigej]] ([[User talk:Nigej|talk]]) 11:27, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Support''' as the article's creator. I also made the needed expansions to her article. ''[[User:Yoshiman6464|<span style="font-family: courier; color:#0047ab">Yoshiman6464</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Yoshiman6464|♫🥚]]</sup>'' 00:21, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Support''' article looks good, subject is well notable and her death is getting widespread coverage from the media. —<span style="font-family:Poppins, Helvetica, Sans-serif;">[[User:Panamitsu|Panamitsu]]</span> [[User_talk:Panamitsu|(talk)]] 00:52, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Support''' Per above, looking good and well sourced to me. [[User:Ornithoptera|Ornithoptera]] ([[User talk:Ornithoptera|talk]]) 02:39, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Support''' Looks good. [[User:A homo sapien sapien|A homo sapien sapien]] ([[User talk:A homo sapien sapien|talk]]) 04:17, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Support''' Well-sourced and well-cited. This is ready to be posted anytime from now. [[User:Vida0007|Vida0007]] ([[User talk:Vida0007|talk]]) 12:40, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
* '''Posted''' following some small cleanup. A [[WP:BLP]] protection may be in order soon. [[User:DatGuy|DatGuy]]<sup>[[User talk:DatGuy|Talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/DatGuy|Contribs]]</sub> 15:52, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

==== (Posted) Upano Valley sites ====
{{ITN candidate
| article = Upano Valley sites
| blurb = Archaeologists announce the discovery of '''[[Upano Valley sites|a cluster of ancient cities]]''' in the [[Amazon rainforest]], which predates known complex Amazonian societies by more than a millennium.
| altblurb=
| sources = [https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-67940671 BBC], [https://www.theguardian.com/science/2024/jan/11/amazon-archaeology-lost-cities-ecuador The Guardian], [https://www.nbcnews.com/science/science-news/lost-cities-oldest-ancient-complex-found-amazon-1000-years-rcna133608 NBC], [https://www.science.org/content/article/laser-mapping-reveals-oldest-amazonian-cities-built-2500-years-ago Science]
| nominator = ModernDayTrilobite
}} Major discovery in archaeology; large urban complex in a region not thought to have significant urban settlement. I'm open to altblurbs but would like to emphasize the age of the sites if possible. [[User:ModernDayTrilobite|ModernDayTrilobite]] ([[User talk:ModernDayTrilobite|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/ModernDayTrilobite|contribs]]) 17:10, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

:'''Weak oppose''' - Article's pretty bad atm. Also notability is dubious [[User:PrecariousWorlds|PrecariousWorlds]] ([[User talk:PrecariousWorlds|talk]]) 19:15, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

:Spectacular archeological discovery announced today regarding a surprisingly large network of cities in Ecuador pre-European contact, estimated population 10 to 100 thousand.  Hidden by the Amazon, discovered by LIDAR, such levels of urbanization in South American were previously unknown. [[Special:Contributions/128.91.40.237|128.91.40.237]] ([[User talk:128.91.40.237|talk]]) 17:13, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Support''', always happy to highlight science discoveries at ITN! [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#947E00">Chaotıċ<span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:30deg;color:indigo">Enby</span></span>]]<span style="font-size:85%">([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|c]])</span> 17:36, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support in principle''' Seems like a BFD. I'd like to see an infobox added and a bit more expansion, if possible. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 18:03, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
**Seems this was nominated twice on different days, so I'm condensing it to one nomination at the older nomination. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 18:06, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
**:Thank you for the feedback! I've added a brief infobox and will look around to see if there's any other information I can add to the article. [[User:ModernDayTrilobite|ModernDayTrilobite]] ([[User talk:ModernDayTrilobite|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/ModernDayTrilobite|contribs]]) 19:14, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Would like to see a bit more article expansion, but seems notable enough for ITN and is certainly different than our average blurbs. [[User:The Kip|<span style="color:#333f42;">'''The'''</span>]] [[User talk:The Kip|<span style="color:#b4975a;">'''Kip'''</span>]] 20:57, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

:'''Support''' citations are there, not entirely sure about notability but certainly interesting. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 22:39, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Support''' This seems notable enough for ITN & it has enough details & references. [[User:Blaylockjam10|Blaylockjam10]] ([[User talk:Blaylockjam10|talk]]) 01:03, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Support on notability''' The quality of the article is acceptable. --[[User:MtPenguinMonster|MtPenguinMonster]] ([[User talk:MtPenguinMonster|talk]]) 02:10, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Support''' per above.  ~~[[User:Maylingoed|<span style="color: orange">'''m'''A'''y'''L'''i'''N'''g'''O'''e'''E'''d'''</span>]]  ([[User talk:Maylingoed|Talk to me!]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Maylingoed |My contributions to Wikipedia📜]])  03:06, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 03:21, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Support''' Thank you so much for posting this as a main in the news feature. This is certainly important, fascinating, and I want to know as much as I can about it. We know so little about our ancient past, and this discovery certainly changes a lot. Again, thank you. [[User:FPTI|FPTI]] ([[User talk:FPTI|talk]]) 08:26, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

==== (Posted) RD: Edward Jay Epstein ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Edward Jay Epstein
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/11/obituaries/edward-jay-epstein-dead.html NY Times], [https://www.washingtonpost.com/obituaries/2024/01/12/edward-jay-epstein-journalist-dead/ WaPo]
| updated       = yes <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Thriley <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = Jkaharper, Presidentman <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}} Obituary published 11 January. [[User:Thriley|Thriley]] ([[User talk:Thriley|talk]]) 06:33, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
*"Published works" require ISBNs at a minimum, some more sources needed. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 18:10, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
*:ISBNs and other details added. [[User:Presidentman|Presidentman]] [[User talk:Presidentman|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Presidentman|contribs]] ([[WP:TBACK|Talkback]]) 21:00, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
* There are still a couple of {cn} tags in the prose.  Please add more REFs. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 06:37, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
* '''Comment''' Article is much improved. Looks ready. [[User:Thriley|Thriley]] ([[User talk:Thriley|talk]]) 22:40, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 23:46, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

====(Posted) RD: Ed Broadbent ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Ed Broadbent
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ed-broadbent-dies-1.7080936 CBC News]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Rushtheeditor <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = Bloom6132, Jiffles1
}} Former Fed NDP Leader <!-- Additional comments go before here --> &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Rushtheeditor|Rushtheeditor]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Rushtheeditor#top|talk]]) 17:22, 11 January 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->
*'''Oppose on quality''' One of the sections is unsourced --[[User:MtPenguinMonster|MtPenguinMonster]] ([[User talk:MtPenguinMonster|talk]]) 22:31, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
:*{{re|MtPenguinMonster}} just finished sourcing his Political career section. —[[User:Bloom6132|Bloom6132]] ([[User talk:Bloom6132|talk]]) 05:38, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
::*The sources are now present. I now '''Support''' --[[User:MtPenguinMonster|MtPenguinMonster]] ([[User talk:MtPenguinMonster|talk]]) 09:50, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose on quality''' As above. Once that's cleaned up, Support. [[User:MajorWarden|Maj. Warden]] ([[User talk:MajorWarden|talk]]) 1:22, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
:*{{re|MajorWarden}} hope you can take another look. —[[User:Bloom6132|Bloom6132]] ([[User talk:Bloom6132|talk]]) 05:38, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' – article is well-referenced and meets minimum depth of coverage for ITN after my edits. —[[User:Bloom6132|Bloom6132]] ([[User talk:Bloom6132|talk]]) 05:38, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Wait''' The "Early life" section includes some of his '80s career, two of his wives' deaths this century and his own the other day. That's not early. Parts of this and "After politics" should go into a "Personal life". [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 10:39, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
*:{{tick}} '''Done''' [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 22:46, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

:'''Support''' well-cited, not a stub, and I've just fixed up the timeline issues in "Early life". [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 22:52, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
::Considering quality has been resolved as far as I can tell, this is ready to post. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 23:42, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 01:21, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
== January 10 ==
{{cot|[[Portal:Current events/2024 January 10]]}}
{{Portal:Current events/2024 January 10}}
{{cob}}
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====(Posted) RD: Tamara Milashkina ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Tamara Milashkina
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.classicalmusicnews.ru/news/tamara-milashkina-passed/ classicalmusicnews.ru]
| updated       = yes
| nominator     = Gerda Arendt
| updaters      = Gerda Arendt
}} Important soprano from the Bolshoi Theatre who appeared at La Scala in 1962 (!) and the Metropolitan Opera (with the Bolshoi) in 1975, + all over Europe it seems. The article was a stub. I wish we had a decent obit in English, or at least in Russian. plenty of yt to listen to her "living" her characters. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 17:26, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

*'''Support''' article looks good to go.  [[User:Alsoriano97|_-_Alsor]] ([[User talk:Alsoriano97|talk]]) 23:45, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Comment:''' 1 CN tag, but otherwise should be ready soon. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082529">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T•</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">C</span>]]</sup> 07:43, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
*: The CN was for four roles at La Scala, two in 1964 and two in 1973. I found a NYT review for the two in 1964, but couldn't find a similar one for the others, - help wanted! - Problem is that this sentence was there before, no idea (yet) by whom and on which source, is ''repeated a lot'' over the internet, and she received a notable prize the same year which Google offers before any Italian tour would come up. If we don't find something valid I believe we can drop the item (roles mentioned before anyway) without loosing much. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 08:43, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
*::Found: https://operawire.com/obituary-soprano-tamara-milashkina-dies-at-89/ but without date. [[User:Grimes2|Grimes2]] ([[User talk:Grimes2|talk]]) 09:58, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
*::: Thank you, seen and nothing there that we don't have. Slippedisc (also out there) is worse as simply misleading large-scale, saying that she toured ''after'' the retired from the Bolshoi. But: It finally dawned on me that she is spelled with sch (vs sh) in German, which gave access to Vienna roles, and the GLS!! There's a Pravda-de obit in German which has Vienna as POD, - getting closer. I used it for that one fact, but the translation is atrocious, and I'd prefer to quote it in Russian. Help? - The fact that she lived in Austria since she left the Bolshoi (last century) seems to explain why there's no more in Russian ''now''. There should, however, be earlier reviews in Russian. - RL calling me now. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 10:27, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
*::::'''Support''' Marking ready. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082529">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T•</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">C</span>]]</sup> 16:13, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
* '''Posted'''. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 23:36, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

==== (Posted) RD: Bud Harrelson ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Bud Harrelson
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/39286514/bud-harrelson-scrappy-mets-ss-fought-pete-rose-dies-79]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Muboshgu <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = Muboshgu, Tails Wx<!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}} Not ready yet for the usual reason, I will work in it. <!-- Additional comments go before here --> &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 15:40, 11 January 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->

*'''Support''', fully-referenced now. Thanks to Muboshgu for his help! ~ [[User:Tails Wx|<span style="background:#FFDF00;color:#0000FF">'''Tails'''</span>]] [[User talk:Tails Wx|<span style="color: orange">'''Wx'''</span>]] (he/him, [[Aromantic|aro]][[Asexuality|ace]], [[Furry fandom|🐾]]) 22:20, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
* Great work. '''Posted'''. [[User:DatGuy|DatGuy]]<sup>[[User talk:DatGuy|Talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/DatGuy|Contribs]]</sub> 16:09, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

==== RD: Jennell Jaquays ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Jennell Jaquays
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.shacknews.com/article/138239/game-design-pioneer-jennell-jaquays-passes-away-at-67][https://www.timeextension.com/news/2024/01/game-designer-jennell-jaquays-has-passed-away-aged-67]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Natg 19 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}} <!-- Additional comments go before here --> Transgender American game designer/artist. In good shape. [[User:Natg 19|Natg 19]] ([[User talk:Natg 19|talk]]) 17:23, 10 January 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->
:'''* Support''' Article is in good shape [[User:Idislikenames|Aure entuluva]] ([[User talk:Idislikenames|talk]]) 11:32, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
* '''Support'''. Before Wikipedia's creation, Jaquays was a notable male RPG game designer and artist under the deadname. The subject transitioned to Jennell and as a woman continued to be a notable (and heroic) game community figure for the rest of a quite active career. [[User:BusterD|BusterD]] ([[User talk:BusterD|talk]]) 13:02, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
*:This raises a small point: she has significant works published under her deadname so that while it is mentioned in the infobox, it should likely be in the lede as that name redirects to the page. [[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 13:21, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
*::This has been a subject of much discussion. [[User:BusterD|BusterD]] ([[User talk:BusterD|talk]]) 14:14, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
*:::I looked at the archives and most of the discussion was prior to formal establishment of [[MOS:GENDERID]] (which states the dead name should be included in the lede on this type of case).<span id="Masem:1704990354518:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> —&nbsp;[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 16:25, 11 January 2024 (UTC)</span>
*'''Support'''  only one cn tag remains. It would be nice if this could be fixed. [[User:Alsoriano97|_-_Alsor]] ([[User talk:Alsoriano97|talk]]) 21:59, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
* The Works section appears to be unreferenced. Please add more REFs.--[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 23:43, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

==== RD: César Alierta ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = César Alierta
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://elpais.com/economia/2024-01-10/muere-a-los-78-anos-el-expresidente-de-telefonica-cesar-alierta.html El País], [https://www.telefonica.com/en/communication-room/press-room/cesar-alierta-former-chairman-of-telefonica-passes-away/ Telefónica] 
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Natg 19 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}} <!-- Additional comments go before here --> Spanish businessman. Needs a little work. [[User:Natg 19|Natg 19]] ([[User talk:Natg 19|talk]]) 17:18, 10 January 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->

:'''Oppose''' article needs a lot of work.  [[User:Alsoriano97|_-_Alsor]] ([[User talk:Alsoriano97|talk]]) 17:43, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
== January 9 ==
{{cot|[[Portal:Current events/2024 January 9]]}}
{{Portal:Current events/2024 January 9}}
{{cob}}
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==== RD: James Kottak ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = James Kottak
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.nme.com/news/music/former-scorpions-drummer-james-kottak-dies-aged-61-3568370 NME]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = 240D:1A:4B5:2800:CC28:29AC:1B6E:1A21 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}} Former Scorpions drummer. [[Special:Contributions/240D:1A:4B5:2800:CC28:29AC:1B6E:1A21|240D:1A:4B5:2800:CC28:29AC:1B6E:1A21]] ([[User talk:240D:1A:4B5:2800:CC28:29AC:1B6E:1A21|talk]]) 16:13, 10 January 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->
* Somewhat undersourced, especially in the career bit, and the discography is completely unsourced as well.  However, why is the section "Political Views" so titled?  It appears to be a list of his quotes being obviously racist, with no relationship to politics as far as I can see.  I'm sure most "political conservatives" (as the article says) wouldn't be too happy about being lumped in with this unpleasant character. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 19:05, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
* There are still a handful of {cn} tags in the prose. And the Discography appears to be unsourced. Please add more REFs. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 06:40, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

==== RD: Charles O. Jones ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Charles O. Jones
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.washingtonpost.com/obituaries/2024/01/09/charles-o-jones-political-science-dead/ Washington Post]
| updaters      = 
| nominator     = Thriley
}}
Influential American political scientist. Obituary published 9 January. [[User:Thriley|Thriley]] ([[User talk:Thriley|talk]]) 05:01, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

* This stubby wikibio currently has only 156 words of prose. The Academic career section is mostly a string of unreferenced bullet-points. Please expand this article and add more REFs. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 20:53, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

====(Posted) 2024 armed conflict in Ecuador ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = 2024 conflict in Ecuador <!-- Do not wikilink -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = [[President of Ecuador]] [[Daniel Noboa]] declares '''[[2024 conflict in Ecuador|a state of internal armed conflict]]''' against multiple criminal groups.<!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb      = [[President of Ecuador]] [[Daniel Noboa]] declares '''[[2024 conflict in Ecuador|a state of internal armed conflict]]''' as armed criminal groups attack cities throughout the country<!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [https://edition.cnn.com/2024/01/09/americas/armed-men-interrupt-live-tv-ecuador-intl/index.html CNN] <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Chaotic Enby <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator       = PopularGames <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters      = Ecrusized, Chaotic Enby, TDKR Chicago 101 <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}} Events follows the escape of cartel leader [[José Adolfo Macías Villamar]] yesterday. Hostages have been taken in several confrontations, including journalists on live TV, prompting the declaration. Feel free to improve the blurb's wording. [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#947E00">Chaotıċ<span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:30deg;color:indigo">Enby</span></span>]]<span style="font-size:85%">([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|c]])</span> 22:22, 9 January 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->

:'''Conditional support''' article quality is not very good and is basically a stub. [[User:Lukt64|Lukt64]] ([[User talk:Lukt64|talk]]) 22:24, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
::{{ping|Lukt64}} Expanded article with the info we have at the moment. [[User:TDKR Chicago 101|TDKR Chicago 101]] ([[User talk:TDKR Chicago 101|talk]]) 01:32, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Support''' The article needs being completed and refined, but the event itself is undoubtedly newsworthy. [[User:Trepang2|Trepang2]] ([[User talk:Trepang2|talk]]) 00:44, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Newsworthy blurb. Currently expanding article. As more information comes in, the article will be expanded. --[[User:TDKR Chicago 101|TDKR Chicago 101]] ([[User talk:TDKR Chicago 101|talk]]) 00:54, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' [[Ecuadorian security crisis]] was merged into [[Crime in Ecuador#Ecuadorian security crisis]] following [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ecuadorian security crisis|this AfD]] several months ago. Why is this considered a separate event? This appears to be a continuation of the ongoing security crisis rather than a new conflict. [[User:Curbon7|Curbon7]] ([[User talk:Curbon7|talk]]) 01:21, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
*:{{ping|Curbon7}} I think this article largely circles around the simultaneous events of Los Chorones leader escaping from prison, Noboa's decree, the simultaneous armed attacks throughout the country in a single day and the takeover of a live television station. [[User:TDKR Chicago 101|TDKR Chicago 101]] ([[User talk:TDKR Chicago 101|talk]]) 01:23, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Ongoing''' Every country south of the Rio Grande is an economic and social disaster plagued with poverty, crime, corruption and unspeakable violence. It's been this way since Bolivar rebelled and will continue until these locusts have devoured every resource in the western hemisphere. Ongoing seems a reasonable way to feature this cesspool of human misery. --[[Special:Contributions/24.125.98.89|24.125.98.89]] ([[User talk:24.125.98.89|talk]]) 02:14, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
*:Not big enough for ongoing yet. If it devolves into Sudan-like warfare, ongoing. [[User:Lukt64|Lukt64]] ([[User talk:Lukt64|talk]]) 02:19, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
*::The [[Mexican drug war]] has killed over a quarter million people. Narco terrorists like Villamar don't respect national borders any more than ISIS does but maybe something like [[Crime and violence in Latin America]] belongs in ongoing - though it's not getting the updates. --[[Special:Contributions/24.125.98.89|24.125.98.89]] ([[User talk:24.125.98.89|talk]]) 02:33, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
*:::Note that the Mexican drug war is in the second-tier Ongoing list at [[Portal:Current events]]. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 02:34, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' But the article needs improving first. [[User:Traumnovelle|Traumnovelle]] ([[User talk:Traumnovelle|talk]]) 02:41, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

:'''Support''' per above. I wondered about long-term significance, but since this is a blurb nom and not an ongoing nom, I don't think it matters so much. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 02:52, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - major news, and definitely unprecedented in a place like Ecuador. -- [[User:Rockstone35|<span style="color:#DF0101"><b>Rockstone</b></span>]][[User talk:Rockstone35|<span style="color:0000ff;font-size:15px"><sup><small><b>Send me a message!</b></small></sup></span>]] 03:52, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

:'''Support'''  [[User:PrecariousWorlds|PrecariousWorlds]] ([[User talk:PrecariousWorlds|talk]]) 09:19, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Should check out, everything looks good. [[User:Ornithoptera|Ornithoptera]] ([[User talk:Ornithoptera|talk]]) 10:16, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

:'''Support''' extremely notable. [[User:Кирилл С1|Kirill C1]] ([[User talk:Кирилл С1|talk]]) 14:47, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Support''' Article improved, definitely important. --[[User:NoonIcarus|NoonIcarus]] ([[User talk:NoonIcarus|talk]]) 15:18, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' a shortened blurb per unanimous consensus above. [[User:The ed17|Ed]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:The ed17|[talk]]]&nbsp;[[WP:OMT|[OMT]]]</sup>
*'''Post-posting support''' Definitely big news. <span style="font-family: Courier New; background-color: green; padding: 2px 3px 1px 3px;">[[User:Twistedaxe|<span style="color: yellow">TwistedAxe</span>]] [[User talk:Twistedaxe|<span style="color: navy">[contact]</span>]]</span> 20:01, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

==== South Korean dog meat ban ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Dog meat consumption in South Korea
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = The [[National Assembly (South Korea)|South Korean parliament]] passes the law banning the '''[[Dog meat consumption in South Korea|dog meat production in the country]]'''.
| altblurb      = The [[National Assembly (South Korea)|South Korean parliament]] passes a bill banning '''[[Dog meat consumption in South Korea|dog meat production]]'''.
| altblurb2     = The [[National Assembly (South Korea)|South Korean parliament]] passes a bill banning '''[[Dog meat consumption in South Korea|production of dog meat]]''' from 2027.
| sources       = [https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-67920167 BBC], [https://edition.cnn.com/2024/01/09/asia/south-korea-bill-bans-dog-meat-bill-intl-hnk/index.html CNN], ''[https://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20240109000685 The Korea Herald]''
| updated       = yes
| nominator     = Brandmeister <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator       = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}} A historical end of the local curiosity that may also put to rest the old meme about dog meat eating (although the law is said to come into effect later). Some citation issues, but otherwise looks ok.   [[User:Brandmeister|Brandmeister]]<sup>[[User talk:Brandmeister|talk]]</sup>   20:49, 9 January 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->

:Dumb question: does this need approval by the executive side of SK's govt? If so, we should wait on that, and if not, then now is the ripe time. [[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 20:52, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
::[[President of South Korea#Powers and duties of the president|Yes, the president can veto the law]], although it seems unlikely considering the bill is bipartisan. However, the blub is incorrect, as bills, not laws, are passed by parliaments, and it's "a" bill, not "the" bill. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 21:03, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
:::Fixed, thanks! [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#947E00">Chaotıċ<span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:30deg;color:indigo">Enby</span></span>]]<span style="font-size:85%">([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|c]])</span> 21:39, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Neutral, added altblurb2''' (I am not sure if "production of dog meat" is a better phrase than "dog meat production", so I am leaving altblurb1 as it is). '''''[[User:Tube of Light|Tube]]·[[User talk:Tube of Light|of]]·[[Special:Contributions/Tube_of_Light|Light]]''''' 02:12, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
*:In general, shorter is better. As an alternative, different is better. While DMP is standard, PoDM should remain, IMO. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 07:13, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' good quality article. Although clicking on the link I would be expected to be taken to a page on dog meat production (I.e. dog meat farms) but the article relates to consumption. <small>'''''[[User:Polyamorph|Polyamorph]]''''' ([[User talk:Polyamorph#top|talk]])</small> 07:20, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Limited impact with regards to a law that impacts a single country and with regards to a practice that was already heavily restricted and in decline in the first place. Regarding the rationale that was posted here, dog meat consumption is not exclusive to South Korea. [[User:Ornithoptera|Ornithoptera]] ([[User talk:Ornithoptera|talk]]) 10:11, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
*Dunno why Inedible Hulk removed his comments, but they were spot-on: this isn't effective until 2027.  Three years isn't just "later", it's too far off.  I'll grant that this is generating some coverage ''now'', yes, but if it's that significant, it'll generate coverage again. —[[User:Cryptic|Cryptic]] 10:18, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
*:{{small|My edit summaries (somewhat) alluded to why, but in their usual way, Cryptic. In a nutshell, the more I learned, the clunkier Alt III became and the more opposed I got. If one of those comments hadn't mentioned my planned neutrality and role in its formation, I could have just Opposed and passed it off as ''an'' altblurb. But by then, things were complicated, so I left. Still neutral now, just not boldly advertising or giving anyone any ideas. Part of me also feels guilty for suggesting the French PM might be young and gay. Could have played into this. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 11:45, 10 January 2024 (UTC)}}
*:There are certain events that are newsworthy at their commencement, not when they happen, and that generally would be for business mergers (where we generally cover the point they are announced and agreed on by both parties) and significant gov't laws (where the passage is the significant part). Rarely does the date of enaction of a law get the type of coverage that the passage does, so it is generally fair that we cover this change now, rather than in 2027 where it likely will be a blip. [[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 13:11, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support but amend''' This is a significant cultural change within that country so I would say that it is worthy of ITN inclusion, the article looks in good shape. However, I would say based on the wording of the law and comments above, we should add "from 2027" in the blurb if it runs to make it clear it isn't an immediate ban. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.5em 0.5em 0.6em;"> '''[[User:The C of E|<span style="color:red;">The C of E </span><span style="color:blue;"> God Save the King!</span>]]''' ([[User talk:The C of E|<span style="color:darkblue;">talk</span>]])</span> 11:46, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
**Added to altblurb II. [[User:Brandmeister|Brandmeister]]<sup>[[User talk:Brandmeister|talk]]</sup>   14:14, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

:'''Oppose''' I don't see this as a huge deal getting a ton of coverage. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 01:09, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

====(Pulled) Gabriel Attal becomes Prime Minister of France====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Gabriel Attal
| image         = Gabriel Attal 02 (cropped).jpg
| blurb         = '''[[Gabriel Attal]]''' (''pictured'') succeeds [[Élisabeth Borne]] as [[Prime Minister of France]].
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb      = '''[[Gabriel Attal]]''' (''pictured'') becomes the youngest and first openly gay [[Prime Minister of France]].
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/jan/09/france-new-prime-minister-emmanuel-macron-europe-live-news-updates The Guardian], [https://www.francetvinfo.fr/politique/remaniement/remaniement-gabriel-attal-un-premier-ministre-fidele-du-president-biberonne-a-l-ecole-de-la-macronie_6290568.html Franceinfo]
| updated       = yes
| nominator     = Sandstein <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator       = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}} Change in head of government, therefore ITNR. Article is brief but appears well-sourced. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:Sandstein|<span style="color:white;background:blue;font-family:sans-serif;">''' Sandstein '''</span>]]</span></small> 12:14, 9 January 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->
*'''{{s|Aye}} Nay, Per Pull''' Technically not R, so what? It's still news. Article looking good and can always get bigger later (that's a very red picture, though, see the one in his article). [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 12:27, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*<s>'''Support'''</s>, what needed to be updated got updated, article in good shape although some wording could be improved. Not ITN/R however, but the whole reshuffling is still a relevant plot twist for anyone watching the last season of French politics. Changing to '''Weak oppose''' as ultimately still not that meaningful, given the lack of actual power of the PM. [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#947E00">Chaotıċ<span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:30deg;color:indigo">Enby</span></span>]]<span style="font-size:85%">([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|c]])</span> 12:39, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*:Is it weird, in France, in 2024, that he's gay? Openly gay, anyway? I mean, to the point that we should point it out? Or is it cool? If so, cool. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 13:10, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*::It is of no consequence. If he does his job well then it doesn't matter one bit. --[[User:Ouro|Ouro]] <small>([[User_talk:Ouro|blah blah]])</small> 14:11, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*:::I think the other editor is asking if it's significant to the French public. Especially considering he's apparently the first, and that France is a plurality Catholic (and significant minority Muslim) country. I.e., whether or not this is controversial or groundbreaking to the French public. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 17:49, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*:::::You thought correctly. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 05:21, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
*::::As a French person, I don't think many people care too much about it. There's a Catholic plurality but most of them aren't the conservative religious kind, from what I understand there are a lot of non-practicing Catholics around. [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#947E00">Chaotıċ<span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:30deg;color:indigo">Enby</span></span>]]<span style="font-size:85%">([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|c]])</span> 18:58, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''  This is '''not''' an ITNR (the President of France holds the power, the PM is the lesser position, as discussed when the former PM resigned). --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 13:06, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' Added altblurb which includes the fact that he's the youngest and first openly gay PM of France, which a lot of media are focusing on. [[User:Johndavies837|Johndavies837]] ([[User talk:Johndavies837|talk]]) 13:40, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support'''  - Article seems to be in decent shape, and the news are notable enough. (Also, I agree with InedibleHulk on using the other picture of him instead.) [[User:Bucket of sulfuric acid|Bucket of sulfuric acid]] ([[User talk:Bucket of sulfuric acid|talk]]) 13:44, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Support''' - On the fence, but I think this just about makes it to being notable [[User:PrecariousWorlds|PrecariousWorlds]] ([[User talk:PrecariousWorlds|talk]]) 13:54, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Weak support alt1''' &ndash; Seeing as the Borne article is hardly updated, I don't mind it being omitted. Attal's own article can use a more extensive update too, tho. It doesn't say much the altblurb isn't already saying. ~[[User:Maplestrip|<span style="color:#005080">Maplestrip/Mable</span>]] ([[User talk:Maplestrip|<span style="color:#700090">chat</span>]]) 14:18, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' We should default to not posting changes to these secondary roles, and only do so where there is something especially notable. Otherwise, we are going to end up showing the kind of bias that the ITN/R list exists to counter. ''<small>[[User_talk:GreatCaesarsGhost|<span style="color:#938f8d">GreatCaesarsGhost</span>]]</small>'' 15:18, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' as it's not a change of the person who exercises executive power in the country.--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 15:26, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Weak Support''' Most of the time the PM in France acts as the de-facto chief administrator for the president. But the office is not completely unimportant. While I am not impressed by the article's quality, I think it is minimally adequate for posting. -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 16:20, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Support Alt1''' the story here is that he's the youngest and first openly gay. That's why it should be blurbed. If it were just a change of PM, I would probably be opposed. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 17:55, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support alt1''' The main aspect of the notability here is that he is the first gay and the youngest PM of France ever; I agree with JM2023 above. [[User:Unknown-Tree|Unknown-Tree🌲?]] ([[User talk:Unknown-Tree|talk]]) 18:57, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support Alt1''' Per Ad Orientem and JM. The main story is that he's the first gay and youngest PM and also youngest serving state leader in the world right now. --[[User:TDKR Chicago 101|TDKR Chicago 101]] ([[User talk:TDKR Chicago 101|talk]]) 19:36, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Weak support Alt1''' per Ad Orientem & JM. [[User:Blaylockjam10|Blaylockjam10]] ([[User talk:Blaylockjam10|talk]]) 20:38, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' France is odd because both the President and PM hold executive power. Worth blurbing. Attal being the youngest PM and the first openly gay one just add to the notability. [[User:Khuft|Khuft]] ([[User talk:Khuft|talk]]) 21:08, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' - the president is who administers the executive role in France, not the PM, so this is not ITNR, and dont find the first gay PM or youngest particularly noteworthy. '''[[User talk:Nableezy|<span style="color:#C11B17;font-size:90%">nableezy</span>]]''' -  21:31, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Change in head of gov ought to be ITN/R in my opinion [[User:Orbitalbuzzsaw|This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang]] ([[User talk:Orbitalbuzzsaw|talk]]) 22:50, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
**Changes of head of govt ''are'' ITNR, but the PM position in France is not the head of gov't, that is the prrsident.<span id="Masem:1704841706282:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> —&nbsp;[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 23:08, 9 January 2024 (UTC)</span>
***Close. The PM is the head of government. The head of government just has fewer executive powers than the head of state (president) in France. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 05:26, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:The ed17|Ed]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:The ed17|[talk]]]&nbsp;[[WP:OMT|[OMT]]]</sup> 00:37, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
*:You should probably pull this.  I don't think there was consensus for this. -- [[User:Rockstone35|<span style="color:#DF0101"><b>Rockstone</b></span>]][[User talk:Rockstone35|<span style="color:0000ff;font-size:15px"><sup><small><b>Send me a message!</b></small></sup></span>]] 02:23, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
*::A simple !vote count (and I know it's not a democracy) of pre-posting votes shows 12-4 in support (a 3:1 ratio). So there ''was'' a consensus, at least at the time of posting. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 02:26, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
*:::I think 12 hours is too short a time for a debate of a blurb about something fairly minor. [[User:Thriley|Thriley]] ([[User talk:Thriley|talk]]) 02:52, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
*::::There is no time qualification, and after 12 hours it had 18 separate users giving input and at the time there was a consensus. This wouldn't be the first time something is pulled due to post-posting oppositions, and I don't think it indicates a problem on the admin's part. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 02:55, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
*:::::I look at ITN fairly frequently. With a few opposed, I would have waited a bit longer to post. [[User:Thriley|Thriley]] ([[User talk:Thriley|talk]]) 03:13, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
*::::::{{u|JM2023}} hits the nail on the head. A number of people had participated in the discussion, there was a clear consensus to post (both in the number and strength of the support arguments), and that consensus was specifically for ALT1. [[User:The ed17|Ed]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:The ed17|[talk]]]&nbsp;[[WP:OMT|[OMT]]]</sup> 04:43, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
*:::::::I've no problem with the judgment of consensus. I would suggest that more caution be taken when the discussion at ITNC diverges from long-standing consensus regarding changes to lesser positions in government. ''<small>[[User_talk:GreatCaesarsGhost|<span style="color:#938f8d">GreatCaesarsGhost</span>]]</small>'' 15:21, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
*::::::::As per the !votes expressed above, the blurb was not focused on a simple change to a lesser position in government. That said, if there's support for a blurb, it'll get posted. As [[WP:ITNSIGNIF]] says, "it is highly subjective whether an event is considered significant enough, and ultimately each event should be discussed on its own merits." [[User:The ed17|Ed]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:The ed17|[talk]]]&nbsp;[[WP:OMT|[OMT]]]</sup> 16:10, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

*'''Strongly Oppose any reference to their age or sexuality''' which are not relevant to their post. This reads like political cheerleading. Assuming he is re-elected, are we going to refer to Biden as "the oldest man ever elected to the presidency of the United States?" -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 00:59, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
*:honestly we probably are... [[User:Lukt64|Lukt64]] ([[User talk:Lukt64|talk]]) 01:19, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
*::I certainly hope not. -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 02:57, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
*:::I don't particularly care what goes into the blurb; I posted ALT1 because multiple people specifically preferred it. But... this comment got me curious, so I brought up Google News and nearly every headline I'm seeing mentions his age. For example, ''The New York Times''{{'}}s headline for this story is "[https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/09/world/europe/gabriel-attal-france-prime-minister.html France Gets Its Youngest and First Openly Gay Prime Minister]". France24's is "[https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20240109-how-gabriel-attal-became-france-s-youngest-ever-prime-minister How Gabriel Attal became France’s youngest-ever prime minister]". The Associated Press has "[https://apnews.com/article/france-gabriel-attal-prime-minister-macron-bourne-aba73836c839cbbb50839a2d1470ded3 Gabriel Attal is France’s youngest-ever prime minister at age 34 and the first who is openly gay]". The BBC has "[https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-67922062 Gabriel Attal: Macron's pick for PM is France's youngest at 34]". And Reuters has "[https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/macron-sends-out-frances-youngest-prime-minister-fend-off-far-right-2024-01-09/ Macron sends out France's youngest prime minister to fend off far right]". If ITN wants to track with reliable sources, Attal's age is a highly emphasized part of the story. (Mentions of his sexuality in headlines are also there, but to a far lesser extent.) [[User:The ed17|Ed]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:The ed17|[talk]]]&nbsp;[[WP:OMT|[OMT]]]</sup> 04:43, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Strong Oppose''' The PM doesn’t wield power, the President of France does. His sexual orientation, particularly in a country like France, makes no real difference. I’d say differently if this were Iran. [[User:Thriley|Thriley]] ([[User talk:Thriley|talk]]) 01:24, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Pull''' - First, there doesn't appear there was any consensus to post this in the first place, but also, the PM does not have any real power. --[[User:Rockstone35|<span style="color:#DF0101"><b>Rockstone</b></span>]][[User talk:Rockstone35|<span style="color:0000ff;font-size:15px"><sup><small><b>Send me a message!</b></small></sup></span>]] 02:21, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Pull''' due to lack of consensus [[User:Lukt64|Lukt64]] ([[User talk:Lukt64|talk]]) 02:24, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Note:''' In the case of [[Leo Varadkar]] becoming [[Taoiseach]] in June 2017, we didn't mention his sexuality. '''''[[User:Tube of Light|Tube]]·[[User talk:Tube of Light|of]]·[[Special:Contributions/Tube_of_Light|Light]]''''' 02:37, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

:'''Pull''', or reword blurb to the nonalternative. ITN is not a carbon copy of the English-speaking media. [[User:Kymothoë|Kymothoë]] ([[User talk:Kymothoë|talk]]) 02:44, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Pull'''. There was never a consensus to post this. <sub>Duly signed,</sub> '''[[User:WaltCip|⛵ <span style="color: white; font-family: Verdana; font-weight: bold; background: linear-gradient(white, blue, navy, black)">WaltClipper</span> ]]'''-''<small>([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]])</small>'' 03:31, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Pulled''' I don't see any consensus anymore and there are concerns over the blurb wording. [[User:Galobtter|Galobtter]] ([[User talk:Galobtter|talk]]) 03:48, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
* '''Oppose''' Nothing special for being openly gay (I have nothing against gay people in fact, it's just that being the first gay in such post to me is nothing special). --[[User:Bedivere|Bedivere]] ([[User talk:Bedivere|talk]]) 03:52, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' This story is getting worldwide media attention therefore it is pretty much ''In The News''. Being a openly gay Prime Minister is very noteworthy in my opinion. The article looks fine to me. [[User:PrinceofPunjab|PrinceofPunjab]] ([[User talk:PrinceofPunjab|talk]]) 04:43, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
* '''Oppose''' The prime minister in France is just a fuse that the president changes to absorb popular dissatisfaction. Also, no one in France is talking about the fact that he is openly gay. This is just activism on the part of woke anglo-saxon media. [[User:Tradedia|<span style="color:#ffffff;background:black;">Tradedia</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Tradedia|talk]]</sup> 06:36, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
*I continue to '''support''' my original blurb ("Gabriel Attal (pictured) succeeds Élisabeth Borne as Prime Minister of France"), but '''oppose''' the alt blurb because it replaces the substantive political story with human interest trivia. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:Sandstein|<span style="color:white;background:blue;font-family:sans-serif;">''' Sandstein '''</span>]]</span></small> 07:05, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
*I didn't mention this in my initial vote, but I also think the additions of the altblurb are kind of irrelevant - at least his sexuality is, his age I kind of understand. Still '''support''' an overall blurb, assuming the first blurb is used. [[User:Bucket of sulfuric acid|Bucket of sulfuric acid]] ([[User talk:Bucket of sulfuric acid|talk]]) 08:34, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' I think this news story is blurb worthy as per the supporters above. [[User:LiamKorda|LiamKorda]] ([[User talk:LiamKorda|talk]]) 10:41, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per my vote on the last one. The PM in France is effectively second to the President. [[User:The Kip|<span style="color:#333f42;">'''The'''</span>]] [[User talk:The Kip|<span style="color:#b4975a;">'''Kip'''</span>]] 16:01, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

==== RD: Rashid Khan (musician)====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Rashid Khan (musician)
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://indianexpress.com/article/lifestyle/art-and-culture/music-maestro-ustad-rashid-khan-passes-away-dies-9101918/ The Indian Express]
| updaters      = 
| nominator     = Pharaoh of the Wizards
| nom cmt= Noted Musician was awarded Padma Bhushan, India's third highest civilian award.[[User:Pharaoh of the Wizards|Pharaoh of the Wizards]] ([[User talk:Pharaoh of the Wizards|talk]]) 11:36, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
}}
*'''Comment''' if posted, I would favour listing them on RD as [[Rashid Khan (musician)]] not Rashid Khan, for which there is clear [[WP:PRIMARYTOPIC]] of someone else: [[Rashid Khan]] (Afghan cricketer). [[User:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b>]][[User talk:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#000000">2302</b>]] ([[User talk:Joseph2302|talk]]) 16:35, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
* There are still a few footnote-free paragraphs. The 2 discographies appear to be unsourced. Please add more REFs. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 06:45, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

==== (Closed) 81st Golden Globe Awards====
{{atop
| status = 
| result = Consensus to post is unlikely to develop. '''[[User:Schwede66|<span style="color: #000000;">Schwede</span>]][[User talk:Schwede66|<span style="color: #FF4500;">66</span>]]''' 16:59, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
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{{ITN candidate
| article       = 81st Golden Globe Awards
| image         = Lily gladstone (cropped).jpg <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = At the '''[[81st Golden Globe Awards]]''', [[Lily Gladstone]] ([[Blackfeet Nation]]) becomes the first Indigenous actress to win [[Golden Globe Award for Best Actress in a Motion Picture – Drama|Best Actress (drama)]] for her performance in ''[[Killers of the Flower Moon (film)|Killers of the Flower Moon]]''<!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb      = At the '''[[81st Golden Globe Awards]]''', ''[[Oppenheimer (film)|Oppenheimer]]'' and ''[[Poor Things]]'' win best drama and comedy film respectively, and [[Lily Gladstone]] wins best actress (drama).
| altblurb2     = '''[[Lily Gladstone]]''' of the [[Blackfeet Nation]] (pictured) becomes the first [[Indigenous peoples of the Americas|Indigenous person]] to [[81st Golden Globe Awards|win]] a [[Golden Globe]] for acting
| sources       = [https://people.com/golden-globes-2024-lily-gladstone-wins-best-actress-drama-motion-picture-killers-of-the-flower-moon-8419791] ([[People Magazine]])  [https://ictnews.org/news/lily-gladstone-wins-historic-golden-globe-for-best-actress] [[Indian Country Today|ICT News]])
| updated       =
| nominator     = TenorTwelve
| creator       =
| updaters      =
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* Lily Gladstone became the first Indigenous person to win a Golden Globe, specifically, Best Actress in a motion picture (drama). This was major news for Indigenous communities. Admittedly, I did not watch the Golden Globes, but this was major news and I’m surprised nobody nominated this or other elements of the award show. Because I did not watch it, unfortunately, there may be other stories I have missed. Also, while I have been accustomed to the ITNR process, it has been awhile since I have nominated an event, so I may have mistakes. I’m open to others adding alt-blurbs or rewriting it/or if necessary, a renomination. But I thought I’d at least submit this and see what happens. Thanks! -[[User:TenorTwelve|TenorTwelve]] ([[User talk:TenorTwelve|talk]]) 10:41, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' Maybe it's better to consider the whole event for a blurb. Isn't it? Highlighting that an indigenous actress won the Golden Globe Award for Best Actress sounds a bit racist.--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 12:12, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*:It's tricky here. Not so much that she's native, but that she's the ''first'' native to receive an honour they traditionally don't. Somewhat racist, somewhat celebratory of reconciliation and equality, neither in a demeaning way. It's not like anyone besides hardcore baseball fans remembers who else won the game [[Jackie Robinson]] first played...is it? [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 12:44, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*:The blurb should (maybe) be clearer that this is the first Golden Globe any acting native's won. Not exactly a women's issue. There are certainly women's issues involved. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 12:56, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' at least the selected blurb. If we are going to nominating the GGs, it should mirror what we do for Oscars and/or Emmys, which here would be the Best Drama and Best Comedy films, and then Best Drama and Best Comedy television series. As the GGs are considered secondary to either of the Oscars or Emmys (often used to make guesses of how the relevant academies will vote ) and that the Emmys are next week, I think we should not post these. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 13:09, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
**Let me add that if this win was so significant, I would expect a lot of sourcing to highlight this specific win, but the sourcing given is fairly weak - it acknowledges the achievement but its not ground breaking as I would expect.<span id="Masem:1704806451799:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> —&nbsp;[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 13:20, 9 January 2024 (UTC)</span>
*I think it would be more helpful to simply name Gladstone's win, and direct readers to the article for more details. See altblurb 1. ~[[User:Maplestrip|<span style="color:#005080">Maplestrip/Mable</span>]] ([[User talk:Maplestrip|<span style="color:#700090">chat</span>]]) 13:10, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''', what next, "the first Dalit winner of best supporting actor at the 5th-ranked Indian movie awards"? Golden Globes are not taken seriously by anyone and "first X minority" events happen often enough to fill the recent news. [[User:Sheila1988|Sheila1988]] ([[User talk:Sheila1988|talk]]) 14:52, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

:'''Support alt blurb I''' - The other blurbs place an [[Wikipedia:UNDUEWEIGHT|UNDUEWEIGHT]] on Lily Gladstone's ethnicity, would be best to just blurb the entire event including her win. [[User:PrecariousWorlds|PrecariousWorlds]] ([[User talk:PrecariousWorlds|talk]]) 16:54, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
::Also I'd object to the term '[[Indigenous peoples|indigenous person]]' being used as there is no clear definition on what it even means; first Native American would be better [[User:PrecariousWorlds|PrecariousWorlds]] ([[User talk:PrecariousWorlds|talk]]) 16:59, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
:::{{tq|The Indigenous peoples of the Americas are the peoples that inhabited the Americas before the arrival of European settlers in the 15th century, and the ethnic groups who now identify themselves with those peoples}} seems clear enough to me. I'd had it as "Native American" initially. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates&diff=prev&oldid=1194534137 Then I considered] how that excludes everyone outside the US, how it wasn't used by the sources and how that term leads to a disambiguation page. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 05:00, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
::::But it doesn't say "indigenous person of the Americas", it says "indigenous person" which is much more ambiguous; it's a term often used in a "post-colonial" context to refer to the ethnicities living in an area at the time of contact and/or colonization, anywhere in the world. However, no one can really help it if the sources go for "indigenous person" over specifically "Native American" which is the usual term for indigenous American. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 05:17, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
:::::That's the beauty of pipelinks, plain talk done quick. If confused, click. When talking ''only'' about the natives from the United States and no more specific, sure, "Native American" works. But not when referring to an "indio" or "First Nations" member, who are ''also'' among the Indigenous peoples of the Americas Lily Gladstone beat to first place in the history books (or, arguably, "represented") that night. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 05:56, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose blurbs''' that focus on the race of one individual, which is inappropriate and would set a bad precedent. '''Neutral''' on posting the event in our usual way - just stating the winners of the main awards. The Golden Globes aren't on WP:ITNR, which have a lot of other film items already, but I don't know if there's a good argument for including this event as well. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 17:36, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*:It may or not be a good idea. But it wouldn't be the first time a blurb has focused on race. Even back in those precedent-setting days, a lot of people didn't think it was a good idea. And ''yes'', I feel uncomfortable linking any specific examples. Just search the archives for "first Asian" or "first African" for more (including failed proposals). [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 06:03, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose all''' per above. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 17:59, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Golden Globes are not the preeminent film awards in the US. I could see her blurbed if she wins an Oscar. [[User:Thriley|Thriley]] ([[User talk:Thriley|talk]]) 02:06, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' It's a second rate award ceremony. Don't support the blurb either it's written with a very American-centric viewpoint. [[User:Traumnovelle|Traumnovelle]] ([[User talk:Traumnovelle|talk]]) 02:30, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' DYK candidate [[User:Orbitalbuzzsaw|This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang]] ([[User talk:Orbitalbuzzsaw|talk]]) 04:29, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' It would have been blurb worthy if she had won the Oscar award for best actress, but Golden Globes are only the second rated awards after the Oscars.[[User:PrinceofPunjab|PrinceofPunjab]] ([[User talk:PrinceofPunjab|talk]]) 04:48, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' I think this is an important milestone in the context of a meh award show, but can see I'm outnumbered. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 05:06, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per above. [[User:LiamKorda|LiamKorda]] ([[User talk:LiamKorda|talk]]) 10:42, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
{{abot}}

==== RD: Tadeusz Isakowicz-Zaleski ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Tadeusz Isakowicz-Zaleski
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://wiadomosci.dziennik.pl/wydarzenia/artykuly/9398574,nie-zyje-ksiadz-tadeusz-isakowicz-zaleski.html Nie żyje ksiądz Tadeusz Isakowicz-Zaleski – {{inlang|pl}}]
| updaters      = Remsense
| nominator     = Remsense}}
Polish priest and anticommunist activist. [[User:Remsense|<span style="border-radius:2px 0 0 2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F;color:#fff">'''Remsense'''</span>]][[User talk:Remsense|<span lang="zh" style="border:1px solid #1E816F;border-radius:0 2px 2px 0;padding:1px 3px;color:#000">留</span>]] 10:26, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Article seems good. [[Special:Contributions/70.181.1.68|70.181.1.68]] ([[User talk:70.181.1.68|talk]]) 21:14, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' there are some unsourced paras and lines. Article is not ready. [[User:Alsoriano97|_-_Alsor]] ([[User talk:Alsoriano97|talk]]) 12:48, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
* Publications section remains unsourced. [[User:DatGuy|DatGuy]]<sup>[[User talk:DatGuy|Talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/DatGuy|Contribs]]</sub> 16:04, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

==== (Closed) College Football National Championship ====
{{atop|No consensus to post. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 15:10, 12 January 2024 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = 2024 College Football Playoff National Championship
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = In [[American football]], the [[Michigan Wolverines football|Michigan Wolverines]] defeat the [[Washington Huskies football|Washington Huskies]] to win the '''[[2024 College Football Playoff National Championship|College Football National Championship]]'''<!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [https://www.nbcnews.com/news/sports/live-blog/michigan-vs-washington-live-updates-watch-college-football-playoff-nat-rcna132578 NBC Sports]
| updated       =
| nominator     = BeanieFan11
| creator       =
| updaters      =
}}
* [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 04:25, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
* This needs some work to qualify, but here me through on why this has the notability. This is not a "minor" or "second-tier" or game of "little importance" (previous arguments against inclusion). College football is '''''ENORMOUSLY''''' popular, and it's arguably a different code than the NFL and thus is not at all accurately considered "second-tier". And one cannot claim this is not worthy of posting due to being amateur or of one country, as we post the direct equivalent in basketball -- which college football is more popular than -- and ITN policy prohibits opposing something solely for being of one country. Note that [https://legacycommunications.com/college-football-more-than-just-a-game/ college football is the second most-popular sport in the U.S., only behind NFL football]. [[List of stadiums by capacity|'''Eight''' out of 10 of the largest sports stadiums in the world are all for college football, and they regularly are filled in college games]].<br/>The current slot of In the News is the "PDC Darts Championship", something that pales in comparison to college football's popularity. I [[User:BeanieFan11/random notes|compared viewership stats for the championships in each last year]], darts was a '''tenth''' of the college championship. Literally [https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-football-tv-ratings/ ONE HUNDRED EIGHTY TWO] college football games from ''this year'' '''EXCEEDED''' the viewership for the darts championship, including games by little-known teams like [[Bowling Green Falcons football|Bowling Green]] and [[Miami RedHawks football|Miami Ohio]]. Literally '''''[[Liberty Flames football|Liberty]] versus [[Oregon Ducks football|Oregon]]''''' this season had higher viewership than major events that we always post such as the Stanley Cup and World Baseball Classic. In fact, [[User:BeanieFan11/random notes|I compared last year's college football championship to many of the other events we post]] ([[WP:ITNSPORTS]]), and found that it bested in viewership FORTY OUT OF FORTY-ONE events (the other: the Super Bowl). I admit I did not weigh it against any association football events, cricket events or rugby events, and was unable to find several other viewership statistics, and so it could have been smaller than a few of those. But we need to use common sense. This is one of the most popular and most-viewed sporting events in the world annually whether we like it or not. All reason leads to this being posted. We need to get it done. [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 04:27, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' on notability<s>, when article gets brought up to par</s>. I thought this was ITNR but I guess it was removed? [[User:Natg 19|Natg 19]] ([[User talk:Natg 19|talk]]) 04:41, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*:For some reason, BeanieFan11 did not do association football, which I presume exceeds American football, but his point still stands that this final is (likely) one of the most viewed sporting events. [[User:Natg 19|Natg 19]] ([[User talk:Natg 19|talk]]) 04:45, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose on quality''' as the article’s a long ways off. Support on notability, however; as the nom says, a lot of the argument against posting in recent years has effectively boiled down to “it’s only popular in the US,” which could realistically apply to multiple sports we post at ITNR that are of limited regional popularity. [[User:The Kip|<span style="color:#333f42;">'''The'''</span>]] [[User talk:The Kip|<span style="color:#b4975a;">'''Kip'''</span>]]<
*'''Oppose''' On quality, too many unsourced sections. As for [[WP:ITNSPORTS]] this isn't on the list, this sort of match would appear to be on par with [[The Varsity Match]] which also doesn't appear on it and I am not convinced a university sports match should be there on merit but that's an aside to the quality oppose. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.5em 0.5em 0.6em;"> '''[[User:The C of E|<span style="color:red;">The C of E </span><span style="color:blue;"> God Save the King!</span>]]''' ([[User talk:The C of E|<span style="color:darkblue;">talk</span>]])</span> 07:47, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*:If we compare to The Varsity Match, is The Varsity Match nationally televised? Do millions of people watch it on television and 70,000 people attend the event? If so, then I could say that it could also be included at ITN. But college football in the US is vastly different than university sports in other countries. 08:10, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' After seeing this ITN nomination recurrently for more than a decade, which is enough for some major movements to happen, there's still no lasting sporting impact out of this. There are absolutely no signs that college football is becoming increasingly popular in different parts of the world, and there are not even any significant efforts made to change that (note that it's never been part of the [[Youth Olympic Games]] and the [[FISU World University Games|World University Games]] even though it's a perfect fit). The main argument every year is that it has enormous viewership and generates a lot of money, which indicates that it's a major commercial success, but doesn't tell anything about it as a sporting event. We're here to evaluate this as a sport nomination, not as a product success, so it most definitely doesn't merit inclusion.--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 08:31, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*:"Please do not... Oppose an item just because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one." As by the same token, there's a ''number'' of championships that would be removed as well. Also "College football" isn't the name of the sport: it's a particular sector of Gridiron football, which ''is'' a growing worldwide sport. In that scope, it doesn't matter that this particular league doesn't play outside of one country: [[Premier League]] isn't even contested beyond one ''sub-national'' entity (as it's exclusively English, not British) and yet it'd be flippant to suggest that it should not be ITN/R let 'alone' that it's not notable enough to post whatsoever. But the logic you present would ''only'' be consistent with such a claim. [[User:Nottheking|Nottheking]] ([[User talk:Nottheking|talk]]) 09:46, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*::I didn't do it. I just made an argument that this is not significant for posting. If you feel that a "number" of championships should be removed, you're encouraged to nominate them for it. If "college football" isn't the name of the sport and it's gridiron football, then this is effectively an amateur competition that shouldn't be included because the [[NFL]] is the top-flight competition (the comparison to [[The Boat Race]] as an amateur competition is no longer valid as it's not an ITN/R item any more). The comparison to the [[Premier League]] is completely invalid, as it's at the same level of significance as the NFL. You can't simply fool me that this is a major sport event by claiming that it has large viewership and generates a lot of money. Sport is more than business.--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 10:17, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
:::As a side note, there aren't even articles for half of the players on the teams that featured in the final. I don't think a blurb on a game contested between anonyms that aren't significant enough to have a stand-alone Wikipedia article should appear on the main page (just for comparison, we have a stand-alone article for every single player on the [[Sutton United F.C.]] team, which is currently in last place in the [[2023–24 EFL League Two]] as a fourth-tier competition in English football).--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 10:55, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
::::Again, I was merely pointing out how your logic worked if followed to its conclusion; to suggest I make that recommendation myself is to act in bad faith by blatantly disregarding what I said.
::::Likewise, it's worth noting that there's also a difference between professional and amateur athletes: we don't have individual articles for every single athlete that participates in the Olympics, (which chiefly features amateurs, not professionals) after all. So again, following your logic we wouldn't just remove Premier League, but the Olympics themselves as "not notable." [[User:Nottheking|Nottheking]] ([[User talk:Nottheking|talk]]) 11:06, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
:::::You're comparing apples with strawberries. We don't need articles on sportspeople to post blurbs on sport events in which those people aren't involved. While it's true that we don't have an article about every single participant at the Olympics, we certainly do about every single medallist in both individual and team sports (we post blurbs about winners, not about participants). You can take a look at the blurbs that we've recently posted on team sports, and you'll notice that we do have articles about all players on the teams included in the blurbs. Again, we're here to post sport events, not commercial product successes.--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 11:34, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per Kiril. Not that popular and significant in a worldwide context. [[User:Alsoriano97|_-_Alsor]] ([[User talk:Alsoriano97|talk]]) 09:16, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
** {{ping|Alsoriano97}} What do you have to say to the fact that '''''182''''' ''individual college games this year'' exceeded the viewership of the darts championship currently posted? And the fact that it beats nearly ''[[User:BeanieFan11/random notes|every single ITNSPORTS item regularly]]''? [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 16:31, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
**:Very simple. The criterion of "viewership" is not so relevant to define what is ITNR and what is not, but that, in the case of sports, above all it is a championship or final that is the highest level of the sector (in the case of darts) and/or has an unquestionable international interest and impact (soccer World Cup, NBA, etc.). This is not the case of the college games and never has been.  [[User:Alsoriano97|_-_Alsor]] ([[User talk:Alsoriano97|talk]]) 17:53, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
***: {{ping|Alsoriano97}} However, what more impact does the NCAA basketball championship have than the football championship? [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 18:01, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
***::I frankly believe that the NCAA should not be ITNR for the same reason as the college games.  [[User:Alsoriano97|_-_Alsor]] ([[User talk:Alsoriano97|talk]]) 18:39, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose on quality''' and neutral on importance. There is zero sourced, text content about the game, and instead way too many tables of information. And lots of that poor quality content is also unsourced. [[User:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b>]][[User talk:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#000000">2302</b>]] ([[User talk:Joseph2302|talk]]) 11:15, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support on Notability, oppose on quality.''' The game attracted more viewers than most final matches for football & rugby championships that are listed under ITN/R. It's hard to over-state the news presence of this, and dismissal of it is difficult to do without opting to ignore all that. However, while the article is clear of glaring flaws, it still needs substantial added prose: this is the chief reason even a lot of ITN/R championships wind up not getting posted, as their pages are often just a dump of number tables rather than an encyclopedic articles. [[User:Nottheking|Nottheking]] ([[User talk:Nottheking|talk]]) 11:27, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' An entirely domestic event. [[User:Nigej|Nigej]] ([[User talk:Nigej|talk]]) 12:11, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*:[[#Please do not...]] {{tq|Oppose an item just because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one. We post a lot of such content, so these comments are generally unproductive.}} &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 16:32, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*::The problem here is not that the event "only relates to a single country"; it's that only people in that country are the slightest bit interested in it. [[User:Nigej|Nigej]] ([[User talk:Nigej|talk]]) 17:06, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*:::In other words, "only relates to a single country". That's not a valid reason to oppose. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 17:10, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*::::Personally I would say that the discussion here about the "Prime Minister of France" "only relates to a single country". However, I wouldn't dismiss that as I have this proposal because many people around the world are interested in who the Prime Minister of France is. No one's outside one country is interested in this event. [[User:Nigej|Nigej]] ([[User talk:Nigej|talk]]) 17:20, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*:::::It's almost certain that at least many Canadian football fans are interested, particularly young ones. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 18:04, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*::::::Are there a lot of young Canadian USA-football fans? Even for Canadian football, the support seems to skew much older than you see at other sports, such as soccer - at least in this part of the country. [[User:Nfitz|Nfitz]] ([[User talk:Nfitz|talk]]) 13:13, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''', as I have done every time student sports are nominated. This is not the top level of American football, is restricted to a small number of students at specific universities, is decided partly on subjective ratings not on-field results etc. I appreciate a lot of people watch this event, but a lot also watch [[Love Island (franchise)|Love Island]] - that doesn't make it suitable for ITN. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 12:25, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
** {{ping|Modest Genius}} Comparing this to "''Love Island''" is 100% ludicrous - it does not have [https://www.campaignlive.co.uk/article/love-island-finale-down-400000-series-debut-15-million-peak/1831991 even ''nearly'' comparable viewership] to college football. Also note that college football is more popular, [[User:BeanieFan11/random notes|per my statistics]], than ''40 out of 41 ITNSPORTS'' events I compared it to, including over ten times as much as the PDC Darts Championship currently posted. In fact, '''182 individual games from this season exceeded the viewership of the darts tournament'''. Saying it to be "not popular" or of "little importance" is quite frankly, nonsense, when we've got that darts championship up there. Not to mention we always post [[March Madness]], a directly-equivalent-but-less-popular college basketball championship... [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 16:39, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
:::Try adding together all the Love Islands in all the different countries, in the peak year... Or pick whichever reality show gets the most worldwide audience. Anyway, I never compared college football to darts or said it was 'not popular'; my whole point is just because it's popular doesn't mean we should post it. We post the ''top level'' of most sports, and this amateur student tournament isn't the top level. I have consistently opposed college basketball for the same reasons. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 17:29, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
:::: {{ping|Modest Genius}} That still wouldn't come close to college football's popularity, but this is the top level of college football. NFL football is arguably a different code, just like is [[Canadian football]] (although NFL and college are more similar than NFL and CFL). Even if we don't go by popularity, there's a point when we should use common sense, such as when ''182'' individual games from a single season beat out the PDC Darts Championship currently posted, or when the college football championship bests literally 40 out of 41 ITNSPORTS events in popularity. It is massively important here in the U.S., meanwhile, I've never heard a single person ever talk about that darts championship. Also worth noting that we post '''nine''' rugby events here annually, those all can't possibly be the top tier... [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 17:34, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
:::::Simply repeating the same points [[ad nauseum]] will not change my opinion. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 17:43, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
:::::: {{ping|Modest Genius}} You are entitled to your opinion, and it may just be me, but I think there's a problem when we're posting little-known events from little-known sports whereas rejecting the most popular sporting events in the world... [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 17:47, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
::::::: You have repeatedly stated this comparison of viewing figures, but I just checked ''[[User:BeanieFan11/random notes|here]]'' and [https://www.sportspromedia.com/news/pdc-world-darts-championship-viewership-tv-ratings-sport1-germany/ here], and it would seem that you have mistakenly only counted the Darts viewing figures in Germany alone. [[User:Effy Midwinter|Effy Midwinter]] ([[User talk:Effy Midwinter|talk]]) 09:05, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Opppose'''  This is a minor, second-tier game of little importance, given that the competition is limited to college students of one particular country [[User:Chrisclear|Chrisclear]] ([[User talk:Chrisclear|talk]]) 12:46, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
* '''Opppose'''. Not that important as the NFL. It’s kinda weird though why March Madness is STILL at ITN/R although CFP isn’t. [[Special:Contributions/2601:2C2:500:A440:4C4A:D068:7C9A:566C|2601:2C2:500:A440:4C4A:D068:7C9A:566C]] ([[User talk:2601:2C2:500:A440:4C4A:D068:7C9A:566C|talk]]) 13:08, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
* '''Support <s>on notability, no opinion on quality</s>''' [[User:WikiOriginal-9|<span style="color: blue">'''''~WikiOriginal-9~'''''</span>]] ([[User talk:WikiOriginal-9|<span style="color: blue">'''talk'''</span>]]) 13:19, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' - I don't think it's notable enough for ITN. We generally don't post amateur sporting competitions anymore. <sub>Duly signed,</sub> '''[[User:WaltCip|⛵ <span style="color: white; font-family: Verdana; font-weight: bold; background: linear-gradient(white, blue, navy, black)">WaltClipper</span> ]]'''-''<small>([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]])</small>'' 13:23, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*:It's amateur cause it started in 1860s Princeton and Rutgers in the very infancy of professional sports with a lot of the players being olde-fashioned Victorian men who lived off interest, the same reason they made the Olympics amateur in the 1890s. The people in charge just wanted to keep it amateur and no player has been able to successfully sue them or lobby the Congress and POTUS or something so far (though lately they ''have'' been able to lobby many states to pass laws forcing them to allow payments for use of their name and image to make money (i.e. college football video games) and even endorsements (leading to comical situations of college undergrads leaving the 56 states and territories just to be allowed to film all the endorsement ads as soon as possible in one day one after another after another after another then immediately traveling back. These are very popular athletes who'd make bank if they were paid the free market rate to play)) [[User:Sagittarian Milky Way|Sagittarian Milky Way]] ([[User talk:Sagittarian Milky Way|talk]]) 14:10, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*:{{ping|WaltCip}} Yes we do, see [[March Madness]], which is actually ''less popular'' than the college football championship per my data. [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 16:28, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' to be consistent (with my previous comments), we shouldn't be posting student sports, regardless of how many people turn on their TVs. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 13:41, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
** {{ping|Black Kite}} However, we do, including the directly equivalent-but-less-popular college basketball tournament. And what do you have to say to the fact that '''''182''''' ''individual college football games'' had higher viewership than the PDC Darts Championship currently featured? Or the fact that college football is more popular than [[User:BeanieFan11/random notes|40 out of 41 ITNSPORTS events I compared it to?]] [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 16:25, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
***We don't use popularity or viewership as a metric. We do want to try to show a diverse array of topics, so a less popular championship from one sport is more important to us than a highly viewed but secondary event in another sport.<span id="Masem:1704822652149:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> —&nbsp;[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 17:50, 9 January 2024 (UTC)</span>
**** {{ping|Masem}} That doesn't seem to be how it works in practice, e.g., we post ''eight'' rugby events, ''five'' golf championships, three marathons and four tennis championships (each of which are less popular than college football, although I haven't found all the data for rugby). [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 17:56, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
***** I guess this is why we have a darts blurb, though I am sure 90% of readers do not know who Luke Humphries is, or care about the PDC World Championship. [[User:Natg 19|Natg 19]] ([[User talk:Natg 19|talk]]) 18:02, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
****:Those sports may not have the popularity, but they have the larger number of players and events across the world, including international competitions. As we are not US centric, it makes more sense to give more room to sports that have a larger body of players, teams, and events. [[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 18:27, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*****: Posting one of the most popular sporting events in the world is not "US-centric" - avoiding to do it because its from the US is rather "anti-US" - also note that [https://www.therugbypaper.co.uk/guest-blogs/372411/why-is-rugby-not-a-more-popular-sport-in-the-world/ "Rugby is a relative niche sport compared to more popular sports like soccer, basketball, and American football ... In the US, one of the most influential countries in the world, American football overshadowed rugby early on."] Why should we give eight times the coverage to rugby as we do to American football? The fact that there's international competitions? [[Flag football at the Summer Olympics|American football has that too!]] [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 18:37, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
******:You’re welcome to advertise the problem why rugby is overrepresented on the talk page. I’d like to see more opinions on the matter and potentially learn something.--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 18:51, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*******: It's rather hilarious to call rugby a "niche" sport; 47 countries competed in the 2023 WC, and it is a top participation and viewership sport in many of those.  But yes, this is the main issue - American football has a limited audience.  If there were international tournaments or continental tournaments in the sport (your link to flag football? really?), or even if it had a league system where there was a clear winner - then yes, we would probably post those.  But they don't exist, so we're stuck with the Super Bowl.  Incidentally - having said that, I wouldn't be unhappy if [[European Rugby Champions Cup]] or [[Super Rugby]] got dropped from ITN/R - I don't think they have the cachet of the other tournaments, and I've said this previously. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 19:06, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

*** 40 out of 41 that you looked up, but I note you didn't mention anything to do with association football or cricket. And this isn't a useful metric anyway;  if 1 million people in Ireland (pop 5 million) watch the GAA final, versus 17m for this event in a population of 350m, which is the more notable?  And even if we worked on viewership, it still wouldn't work; for example, we would have to post every cricket Test Match between India and Pakistan, or multiple Premier League football matches every season, many of which get viewership levels in 9 figures.  We can't work like that, it would be silly. Furthermore, the events you mention are top level events in their sports, which college football quite clearly isn't. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 18:28, 9 January 2024 (UTC) [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 18:31, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

*'''Support''' on notability. I see we still haven't made much headway on this annual competition here. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 16:19, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. Having two American football related items isn't too much to ask for given the sport's popularity. All the opposes ring hollow. [[User:Jessintime|Jessintime]] ([[User talk:Jessintime|talk]]) 16:23, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
:*'''Oppose''' We don't post amateur sports items to ITN. We post the highest level for each country/region and the global ones.
:[[User:Hurricane Noah|<b style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah</b>]], [[Associate of Arts|AA]]<sup>[[User talk:Hurricane Noah|<b style="color:#ff0000">Talk</b>]]</sup> 17:02, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
::{{u|Hurricane Noah}}, patently false. NCAA men's and women's basketball tournament is ITNR. Other amateur events may be as well, I'm not sure. There's no hard rule against amateur events here. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 17:05, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
:::There's no reason why that should be posted either. We have been striking down amateur sporting events from ITN/R these past couple of years since they are not professional in nature. That's part of the reason why [[The Boat Race]] was removed from ITN/R. [[User:Hurricane Noah|<b style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah</b>]], [[Associate of Arts|AA]]<sup>[[User talk:Hurricane Noah|<b style="color:#ff0000">Talk</b>]]</sup> 17:22, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
:::: It has been attempted to remove those before; unfortunately the Wikipedia demographic has been against it (but still removed the Boat Race, go figure). [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 18:36, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
::I mean, [[The Olympics]] are, at its heart, an amateur sports competition, even if they've allowed a gradual encroachment of professionals in a few of its sports. That kinda takes the wind out of any claim that being an amateur competition renders it invalid. [[User:Nottheking|Nottheking]] ([[User talk:Nottheking|talk]]) 12:34, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
:::Not really. The Olympics are recognized as the highest level of global sports competition. Competitions between student organizations are not at the same level. [[User:Hurricane Noah|<b style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah</b>]], [[Associate of Arts|AA]]<sup>[[User talk:Hurricane Noah|<b style="color:#ff0000">Talk</b>]]</sup> 15:48, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Insufficient importance. There are all kinds of sports championships and we can't post them all. Conceding possible exceptions if there is something that makes a particular game/match really stand out, in general I think college level sports and championships just don't belong on ITN. We need to draw some lines, and I think this is a good starting point. -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 17:21, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
** {{ping|Ad Orientem}} Have you considered the fact that it is more popular than [[User:BeanieFan11/random notes|''40 out of 41 ITNSPORTS events that it was compared to'']], or the fact that '''182''' individual games from this year exceeded the viewership of the current darts championship posted? [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 17:24, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*** Yet the darts final is an international event at the top level for its sport.  This is neither. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 18:34, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

***The only argument in favour of posting presented here is that its viewership and total money generated cannot be disregarded. For a zillionth time, sport is more than business. There are numerous other things with large viewership that generate a lot of money that we don’t post. For instance, the the original telecast of ''Game of Thrones'' recorded an average of 17.4 million back in 2019, which is more than the viewership of this game, but we didn’t post it even though it was largely in the media. So, please don’t wave viewership as a decisive criterion for posting.--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 18:44, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

*'''Support on notability''' May technically be an "amateur" competition but college football is a multi-million dollar business attracting huge interest and viewership. -- [[User:Pawnkingthree|Pawnkingthree]] ([[User talk:Pawnkingthree|talk]]) 18:20, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' Lots of opinions, but mostly irrelevant at the moment because the article still isn't in any shape to be posted even if there ''was'' a consensus to do so. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 18:39, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose both on notability and quality''' For one, its not the highest-level competition in the sport by any means. Viewership does not mean that its inherently notable for ITN; I agree with Kiril Simeonovski above. As for the quality, it is not at all ITN-worthy, with little information about the actual game. [[User:Unknown-Tree|Unknown-Tree🌲?]] ([[User talk:Unknown-Tree|talk]]) 19:13, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
* An article worth showing from today: [https://frontofficesports.com/newsletter/the-biggest-cfp-title-game-ever/ "Love the CFP or Hate It, There’s No Debating It’s Huge, and Only Getting Bigger"]. [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 19:30, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
:* You would be better off showing how this event has major coverage outside the US.  I mean, I'm not a fan of having the NCAA finals on ITN/R, but at least that gets decent coverage in other countries. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 19:40, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
::* See for example [https://www.theguardian.com/sport/live/2024/jan/08/college-football-playoff-championship-game-washington-huskies-michigan-wolverines-live ''The Guardian'' (England)] and [https://www.cbc.ca/sports/football/cfp-national-championship-michigan-washington-jan-8-1.7077060 CBC (Canada)], though I admit I am uncertain at how to do google searches relating to specific countries. [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 19:46, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per BeanieFan11 on account of the fact that pretty much every other sporting event we have at ITN/R has been justified under viewership numbers, which would make the CFB Championship valid for posting as well. [[User:DarkSide830|DarkSide830]] ([[User talk:DarkSide830|talk]]) 20:05, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*:this criterion has not really been followed to justify sports events in ITN.  [[User:Alsoriano97|_-_Alsor]] ([[User talk:Alsoriano97|talk]]) 20:09, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*:That's absolutely ''not'' a metric that is used to justify ITN/R, otherwise we'd actually post far ''more'' cricket and association football events, as I mentioned above, and far fewer minority sports. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 21:31, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*::And how else would you gauge the worthiness of a sports item for ITN then popularity? Because any time I've personally disputed such an item's ITN/R status I was was responded to with viewership metrics (ie for billiards or darts). [[User:DarkSide830|DarkSide830]] ([[User talk:DarkSide830|talk]]) 17:55, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support on notability, <s>but oppose on quality</s>''' This is a popular football game & the championship for college football. It may not be the highest level of competition for football, but the [[Japan Series]] isn’t the highest level of competition for baseball & that’s an ITNR event, so I think it’s fine to post an event that isn’t the highest level of competition for a sport. <s>However, the article’s quality isn’t good enough.</s> The article‘s quality is good enough now. [[User:Blaylockjam10|Blaylockjam10]] ([[User talk:Blaylockjam10|talk]]) 20:30, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
:*'''Nuanced on notability, oppose on quality'''. I 100% agree with User:BeanieFan11 that this championship is orders of magnitude more important in terms of number of people watching and cultural importance than ''darts'', and if we're going to include things like darts or March Madness then it doesn't make any sense to exclude the college football championship. On the other hand, I think WRT to ''global'' interest and lasting significance none of the above should be on ITN. Minor sports and country-limited amateur competitions are just not going to have broad enough impact. Disclosure that I'm a UW alumna and also apparently as of late an [[Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Man_Lok_Leung|enemy]] of darts...
: [[User:JoelleJay|JoelleJay]] ([[User talk:JoelleJay|talk]]) 23:18, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
::'''Replace darts blurb with the championship this time''', then remove both -- and March Madness, and sailing -- from ITN consideration in the future. [[User:JoelleJay|JoelleJay]] ([[User talk:JoelleJay|talk]]) 05:00, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' on notability, among the most widely watched national championships on the planet. The comparisons to the Boat Race or The Varsity Match miss that this is a, a national championship and not a match between two preset opponents, and b, actually covered much more widely. [https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2024/jan/08/michigan-overwhelm-washington-to-claim-first-national-title-in-26-years UK] news sources included. As a story it merits coverage here. <s>But quality is not there so moot.</s> (added at 15:22, 10 January 2024 (UTC): quality concerns appear to be alleviated, and imo this should be posted). '''[[User talk:Nableezy|<span style="color:#C11B17;font-size:90%">nableezy</span>]]''' -  23:43, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
* {{ping|PCN02WPS}} Do you think you'd have the time [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#College_Football_Championship_at_In_the_News|as you said]] to expand this at some point so the quality issues can be addressed, then the discussion could focus solely on the notability question? [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 23:49, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*:@[[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] yeah, I'll get started on it shortly. [[User:PCN02WPS|<span style="color:grey;">'''PCN02WPS'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:PCN02WPS|<span style="color:grey;">talk</span>]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/PCN02WPS|<span style="color:grey;">contribs</span>]])</small> 01:23, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
*::'''Update''' Sections "Background", "Teams", and "Starting lineups" are complete. [[User:PCN02WPS|<span style="color:grey;">'''PCN02WPS'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:PCN02WPS|<span style="color:grey;">talk</span>]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/PCN02WPS|<span style="color:grey;">contribs</span>]])</small> 04:38, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' major sporting event, echo rationale from BeanieFan11 and others above. {{ping|The Kip|The C of E|Joseph2302|Nottheking|WikiOriginal-9|Blaylockjam10|JoelleJay|Nableezy}} Pinging here all users above who opposed on quality but otherwise supported; I'm not going to bother to ping users who opposed on notability as this is not likely to change their minds. I have completed a total rewrite and expansion of the article modeled after [[2022 College Football Playoff National Championship|a college football GA]] and I believe it is now Main Page-quality. If you all would be willing to reconsider your "oppose on quality" votes that would be most appreciated. [[User:PCN02WPS|<span style="color:grey;">'''PCN02WPS'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:PCN02WPS|<span style="color:grey;">talk</span>]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/PCN02WPS|<span style="color:grey;">contribs</span>]])</small> 06:54, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Fully agree with Modest Genius, Black Kite and others above regarding student sporting events. Especially considering my above comment regarding inaccurate viewing figures. [[User:Effy Midwinter|Effy Midwinter]] ([[User talk:Effy Midwinter|talk]]) 09:12, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
** {{ping|Effy Midwinter}} So it seems that the most recent darts one received [https://www.sportspromedia.com/news/pdc-world-darts-championship-2024-luke-humphries-littler-sky-sports/ 4.8 million viewers] - that still ''pales'' in comparison to college football - also note that Washington vs. Michigan received [https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/wolverines/2024/01/09/michigan-washington-cfp-title-game-most-watched-ever-draws-25-million-viewers/72167519007/ '''''25 million'''''] - ''wayyyy'' higher and more important. CFB is a huge deal here in the U.S., the second most popular sport behind NFL football per one of the sources I mentioned above; it is ridiculous not to post such a major event, especially as we ''do'' post other student sporting events, including the directly-equivalent-but-less-popular NCAA basketball championship. [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 16:01, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
*** Sorry, but for the second time you are quoting viewing figures from a single country. And your assertion that viewing figures make an event "wayyyy" more important is nonsense. [[User:Effy Midwinter|Effy Midwinter]] ([[User talk:Effy Midwinter|talk]]) 18:31, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
**** And also in one country, college football received over 25 million viewers. What are you saying makes something more or less important than another event? Whether something is "In the News" should be the standard in my opinion, and this clearly is (see below where I listed coverage in 11 different countries, plus just about every media outlet in the U.S. covered it). [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 18:35, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
***** My point is that you have twice claimed a viewing figure for Darts from a single country (both of which have a much smaller population than the US) as if it is the global total, and then compared it unfavourably with College Football. And I did not state what makes something important, but it isn't just viewing figures in the USA. [[User:Effy Midwinter|Effy Midwinter]] ([[User talk:Effy Midwinter|talk]]) 18:57, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
****** Can you find the global darts viewership, then? I still highly doubt it passes college football; but even if so, college football still exceeds the viewership of 39 out of the 40 others listed in my notes. We need to use sense here. When something is this big and this "in the news" it is worthy of being posted. [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 19:01, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
******* No I don't know the global viewing figures. But the '''10x''' claim you made was clearly erroneous, as was the second figure. [[User:Effy Midwinter|Effy Midwinter]] ([[User talk:Effy Midwinter|talk]]) 19:08, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
******** But what about all the other comparisons to sports that we post? [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 19:10, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
********* Those figures are all over the place. I can see immediately that you've used the figures from a single country for many of them, including all four Tennis slams. You've also got the US viewing figures for F1 and Le Mans, both of which are far less popular in the US than elsewhere. And your list also has Netball with 15x the viewing figures of Cricket! You may have a point about the sailing though, and we clearly have too many Marathons. [[User:Effy Midwinter|Effy Midwinter]] ([[User talk:Effy Midwinter|talk]]) 19:34, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
* Note to any other commenters - all quality concerns have been addressed (in fact, it is such high quality that it is likely to be a good article soon) - and this ''is'' considered the highest level of [[college football]] (there are five levels, FBS, FCS, II, III, and NAIA, and this is the championship for FBS, the highest); the NFL could be argued as a different code and has differences - see [[Comparisons between the National Football League and NCAA football]] - there's also been [[Simon Fraser Red Leafs football|teams in other countries]] so one cannot say this is of "solely US interest". And there's also coverage I demonstrated above in other countries of this (especially Canada, where this is also a big deal). This is ridiculous not to post - annually the second-biggest event in the U.S. and one of the biggest in the world - when we post things of ''so'' much less importance... [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 16:06, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
**Welcome to ITN, {{u|BeanieFan11}}, [[Whose Line Is It Anyway? (American TV series)|where everything's made up and the points don't matter]]. <small>We agree on the merits—this isn't snarking at you!</small> [[User:The ed17|Ed]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:The ed17|[talk]]]&nbsp;[[WP:OMT|[OMT]]]</sup> 16:25, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
** {{edit conflict}} Coverage from [https://www.foxsports.com.au/nfl/inexcusably-bad-college-football-giant-claims-controversial-title-after-year-of-cheating-claims/news-story/abd31914ec05b355ac3840a7d68598fd Australia], [https://www-sport1-de.translate.goog/news/us-sport/2024/01/football-college-titel-geht-an-michigan?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc Germany], [https://www-nemzetisport-hu.translate.goog/amerikai_sportok/ncaa-a-michigan-a-dontoben-is-gyozott-veretlenul-lett-bajnok-2997275?_x_tr_sl=hu&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc Hungary], [https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/nfl/news/jim-harbaugh-whats-next-for-michigan-coach-amid-nfl-speculation/articleshow/106675675.cms India], [https://www-haaretz-co-il.translate.goog/sport/other/2024-01-10/ty-article-magazine/.premium/0000018c-ee9d-df1e-a5ff-ef9d493b0000?_x_tr_sl=iw&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc&_x_tr_hist=true Israel], [https://gulklud-dk.translate.goog/college-football/college-football-michigan-er-nationale-mestre/?_x_tr_sl=da&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc Denmark], [https://www-tvazteca-com.translate.goog/aztecadeportes/michigan-vence-washington-campeon-nacional-ncaa?_x_tr_sl=es&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc Mexico], [https://www-mundodeportivo-com.translate.goog/us/futbol-americano/20240109/673996/ncaa-michigan-wolverines-consolida-mejor-equipo-college-vencer-washington-huskies.html?_x_tr_sl=es&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc Spain], [https://www-47news-jp.translate.goog/10371658.html?_x_tr_sl=ja&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc&_x_tr_hist=true Japan], etc. [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 16:35, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per high interest. There's a strange bar being put in place here by some for an event that is amateur in name only. As PBS [https://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy/analysis-who-is-winning-in-the-high-revenue-world-of-college-sports puts it], "The U.S. hyper-commercialized system of college sports, which does not exist anywhere else in the world [...]". They added that Division 1 sports brought in $15.8 billion dollars in 2019, of which "almost all [...] comes from football and men's basketball". For comparison: the NFL, the [[List of professional sports leagues by revenue|richest sports league in the world]], brought in about [https://www.statista.com/statistics/193457/total-league-revenue-of-the-nfl-since-2005/ $15.26 billion dollars] in the same year/2019. The Premier League brought in [https://theathletic.com/4610513/2023/06/14/premier-league-revenue-football-finance/ £5.5 billion pounds in 2021–22], which if converted today comes out to about $7 billion. [[User:The ed17|Ed]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:The ed17|[talk]]]&nbsp;[[WP:OMT|[OMT]]]</sup> 16:25, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
*:And with college football stars now signing endorsement deals for [https://www.si.com/college/colorado/buffs-stuff/shedeur-sanders-signs-nil-deal-with-smoothie-king-to-offer-the-shedeur millions of dollars], its hard to call them amateurs anyway. '''[[User talk:Nableezy|<span style="color:#C11B17;font-size:90%">nableezy</span>]]''' -  17:29, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
*:Agreed, college football (and basketball) is "amateur in name only" now, with the NIL and endorsement deals. [[User:Natg 19|Natg 19]] ([[User talk:Natg 19|talk]]) 17:47, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

*:That this generates a lot of money is clear as day, but that’s not a criterion which makes a sport event significant. Once again, sport is more than business. A significant sport event is one that makes lasting impact and inspires the youth around the world to get involved in it. Association football is not significant because it’s a huge business, but because it impacts billions of people in virtually all pockets of the world. An impactful college league is expected to lead other similar college competitions to appear in this sport around the world. Unfortunately, it’s not the case here. However people hang on to the notion that it’s a big thing because it generates a lot of money, it’s completely irrelevant as long as there isn’t a single verifiable proof that this sport expands or this competition format mirrors elsewhere. We’ve been discussing the same thing for more than ten years now (probably more as I stopped counting the years), but there hasn’t been any major change or, at least, any developing trend to observe. Just to compare, even a sport like snooker managed to expand over the past decade, which is evident from the wave of young Chinese players entering the elite.

::To flesh this out with a comparable real-world example, take a look at the [[lists of World Heritage Sites]]. The listed monuments are not there because they are big, expensive or their visits generate a lot of money, but because they have a different value that cannot be expressed in money and the number of visits. The same goes with sport events, TV shows, films snd anything else. So, viewership and money generated may indicate a commercial product success, but most definitely not that a sport event is more significant than any other.--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 17:47, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
:::I strongly disagree with this. Sports become significant because of viewership and business. Sports like snooker, darts, sailing, etc are less significant (though ITN disagrees) because they are smaller scale sports. Association football is big because it generates tons of money and is big business in Europe and around the world. Same with cricket or rugby in those countries. Whether it "inspires" people or not is irrelevant. ITN does like to feature smaller sports, for variety and diversity, but it seems odd to '''''not''''' feature this larger sport for amateur reasons. [[User:Natg 19|Natg 19]] ([[User talk:Natg 19|talk]]) 17:56, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
::::This is absolutely not true. Association football, basketball, ice hockey, athletics and tennis had been major sports long before players turned professional and they became a huge business. You need to better elaborate your argument about what made them so popular in times when viewership and money were not into play as today.--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 18:21, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
:::::Again, I need to push back here. That is an incredible bar to set for a page that's titled "in the news". It's not "things that existed + were highly popular among amateur players at least X centuries ago, and are now in the news again". But even if we take your argument at face value, gridiron football is decades older than basketball and a few decades newer than ice hockey or modern association football's [[Cambridge rules]]. [[User:The ed17|Ed]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:The ed17|[talk]]]&nbsp;[[WP:OMT|[OMT]]]</sup> 18:31, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
::::::Your first sentence has some merit, but it’d open up a [[Pandora's box]] for anything else that the same criteria apply to (e.g. TV series, reality shows, films etc.). By that logic, we should post every single thing that has large viewership and generates a lot of money (in one of my previous comments, you can find ''Game of Thrones'' as an example).--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 18:53, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
::::::: We're talking about ''sports'' events here. Reality shows are not a relevant comparison. [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 18:58, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
::::::::The [[2022 FA Cup Final]] had a viewership figure of [https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-61457573 8.9 million], which is more in relative terms given that the UK has only a fifth of the US population, but we never considered this competition seriously for posting even though it’s the oldest association football competition in the world with a very long tradition. Not to mention that those articles are available in a dozen of other languages compared to these that are only in French besides English.--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 19:31, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
::::::::: 25 million is greater than 8.9 million no matter the country. That is a second-tier competition. The college football championship is the top of all of college football; NFL is arguably a different code; other Wikis should not be relevant here. What matters is if this is "In the News": this is a top story in the U.S. and Canada and more than 10 other countries gave news coverage of it. Long tradition? College football has been played longer than the FA Cup. Everything points to this being notable enough to post. This is ridiculous. [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 19:38, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::: {{ping|BeanieFan11}} '''Oh dear, this is embarrassing.'''  The FA Cup audience may have been 8.9m '''in the UK''', but it is generally about '''500 million worldwide'''. And remarkably, the FA Cup isn't ITN/R either!  So I'm pretty sure this minor game doesn't qualify. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 19:44, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::: {{Citation needed}} [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 19:47, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::: Google is really easy to use. [https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/29458784] [https://www.reuters.com/article/soccer-england-facup/soccer-fa-cup-final-set-to-return-to-centre-stage-idUSL4E8CQ4PJ20120126/] [https://www.pressreader.com/uk/south-wales-evening-post/20220520/281788517668899] [https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/398586/More-than-half-a-billion-people-will-watch-FA-Cup-final] [https://sensuinsight.com/global-brand-research-fa-cup-final/] [https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/erling-haaland-fa-cup-final-30143778] [https://www.thefa.com/news/2014/may/16/reds-v-blues-famous-cup-finals] [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 19:59, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::Like it or not, 25 million to 334 million is most definitely less than 8.9 million to 67 million. FA Cup is not a second-tier competition as it features and is usually won by the best clubs in the English football (the current [[Manchester City|titleholders]] have also won the Premier League and the UEFA Champions League). {{tq|College football has been played longer than the FA Cup.}} The [[FA Cup]] was founded in 1871, and the [[NCAA Division I Football Bowl Subdivision]] was founded in 1978. Every single word you say is utterly wrong. That’s not how a discussion should be carried out.--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 19:54, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::[[1869 college football season]]. [[User:WikiOriginal-9|<span style="color: blue">'''''~WikiOriginal-9~'''''</span>]] ([[User talk:WikiOriginal-9|<span style="color: blue">'''talk'''</span>]]) 19:57, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::: (tons of edit conflicts) 25 million > 8.9 million in all circumstances. The first season of [[1869 college football season|college football was in 1869]], not 1978. I might have confused the FA Cup tier-ness from something else, but college football still has higher viewership and "longer tradition". [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 19:58, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::: And 25 million < 500 million for the FA Cup (see links above). I'd stop now, to be honest, because you are actually embarrassing yourself. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 20:01, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::{{edit conflict}} Those statistics don't make sense. How would 490+ million ''more'' people be interested in England's football championship than those in England? Those seem to be saying "more than a billion will watch!" but I'm not seeing the ''actual TV statistics'' (which seem to say 8.9 mil) verifying that. [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 20:05, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::: Seriously? This is the biggest sport in the world. English Premier League teams have ''hundreds of millions of fans'' outside the UK.  Even regular league games have 9 figure audiences worldwide, ''every week''. It's hardly surprising that the FA Cup Final would get such figures. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 20:09, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::::: So you're saying, ''56'' times as many people are interested in ''England's soccer'' than English people themselves are? That simply doesn't make sense. But I feel we're getting a little off-topic here; this is about the importance of college football to ITN. [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 20:13, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::To be honest, I would not be surprised. I am not a soccer fan, but you do underestimate the popularity of soccer/association football. [[User:Natg 19|Natg 19]] ([[User talk:Natg 19|talk]]) 20:16, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::We’re comparing the NCAA Division I Football Bowl Subdivision to the FA Cup, not college football to association football. If that’s the case, [[Rules derby]] was first played in 1860. I’d stop now as well. Everything has been said.--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 20:04, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::: Its ''college football national champions'' that we're comparing, FWIW. [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 20:06, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
::: How does darts have a {{tq|lasting impact and inspires the youth around the world to get involved in it}}? You may want to read the article I linked above: "Love the CFP or Hate It, There’s No Debating It’s Huge, and Only Getting Bigger". College football is a ''massive'', ''massive'' deal in the U.S., and has importance in Canada as well, and the sport appears to be growing in global popularity as a version of it was [[Flag football at the Summer Olympics|approved for the Olympics]]. [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 17:54, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
::::I cannot properly assess its impact, but I assure you that it’s much more globally widespread than American football. I’ve seen people playing darts across pubs in every single place I’ve visited, which isn’t really the case with American football. It’s highly questionable whether darts should be considered a sport, but it’s not time for it now.--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 18:33, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
::::: There's a difference between people randomly playing it for fun at some pubs versus something that is the most popular and loved sport in one of the world's most influential countries (that is also now an Olympic sport, which darts is not). [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 18:39, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
::::::I wish that influence included this sport so that I could wholeheartedly support this event.--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 19:19, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
::::::: What kind of "influence" are you looking for? It is ridiculously popular, has higher viewership than almost every. single. other. event that we consider notable enough to post, is clearly in the news, including being featured in nearly every U.S. media source and ones from at least 11 other countries per above... what else could there possibly be? [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 19:23, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
:::::::: Please stop making claims about viewing figures when those statistics you keep quoting are a total farce. I've already pointed out above that your list has Netball with '''15x''' the viewing figures of Cricket, so it's clearly nonsense. [[User:Effy Midwinter|Effy Midwinter]] ([[User talk:Effy Midwinter|talk]]) 20:14, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
::::::::: <small>FWIW, I included notes for stats that seemed less certain, and netball was one of them. I also didn't get the stats for most of the cricket events.</small> [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 20:17, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
:::::That is an apples to oranges comparison. Darts is just a little more accessible for pub customers than a 22-player game that requires a large field. Personally, I can't say I've seen association football, ice hockey, athletics, or tennis at any pub I've visited either. [[User:The ed17|Ed]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:The ed17|[talk]]]&nbsp;[[WP:OMT|[OMT]]]</sup> 18:41, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
::::::I’m wondering why was it mentioned in relation to this event when they’re completely different sports.--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 18:58, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
:::::::The reason why darts is being mentioned (though yes, they are vastly different sports) is because darts is ITNR and recently featured at ITN: {{tq|In darts, Luke Humphries wins the PDC World Championship.}} The argument being made is, "if the darts world championship gets to be on ITN, why can't college football?" [[User:Natg 19|Natg 19]] ([[User talk:Natg 19|talk]]) 19:51, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
:::::::: American Football is on ITN/R in the form of the Superbowl. The game played in American universities is not generally considered to be a different sport, despite claims to the contrary. [[User:Effy Midwinter|Effy Midwinter]] ([[User talk:Effy Midwinter|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Kiril Simeonovski}} Even by the barely-there standards of [[WP:ITNSIGNIF]], this opinion is a bit wide of the mark. [[User:The ed17|Ed]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:The ed17|[talk]]]&nbsp;[[WP:OMT|[OMT]]]</sup> 18:05, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
::::At the end of the day, ‘significance’ means different thing for different people.--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 18:21, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
* Can I suggest that perhaps we stop arguing about Darts, since it isn't really relevant to this anyway? [[User:Effy Midwinter|Effy Midwinter]] ([[User talk:Effy Midwinter|talk]]) 19:08, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

*'''Support''' per Ed [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 19:24, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
*:Despite my support, I suggest a close because this isn't going to get consensus and people are wasting time arguing with each other; no-one on either side of that argument is going to be convinced by the other side. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 20:39, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
*:: <small>FWIW I'm done arguing in this discussion, if that makes any difference.</small> [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 20:52, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per Ed and BeanieFan. [[User:Kline|Kline]] • [[User talk:Kline|talk to me!]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kline|contribs]] 20:54, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' on quality, and notability. ITN-worthy, clearly. Opposers unconvincing. [[User:Jusdafax|Jusdafax]] ([[User talk:Jusdafax|talk]]) 05:32, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
* '''Oppose''' per many of the above (second (third?) tier, insufficient notability, insufficient importance, etc). Supporters unconvincing. - [[User:SchroCat|SchroCat]] ([[User talk:SchroCat|talk]]) 06:49, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
** Sorry, I said I'd stop. But one more reply: let me just tell you that this is absolutely not a third-tier event. That would be [[NCAA Division II Football Championship]] (third-tier); with [[NCAA Division I Football Championship]] being the second-tier, and this ([[College Football Playoff National Championship]]) being the top tier. College football is different than NFL football (it's not really accurate to call them "tiers" in gridiron football; although at the professional level the second-level would probably be the [[United Football League (2024)|UFL]]). [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 16:34, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
**:I suspect he was referring to its position within the whole American Football hierarchy, where the Superbowl would be the top tier. [[User:Nigej|Nigej]] ([[User talk:Nigej|talk]]) 16:41, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
**:{{ec}} BeanieFan11, You really don't need to [[WP:BLUDGEON]] quite so many people. You've had your say in multiple places, and it's not going to change my mind. I still oppose this, whether it's second, third or fourth tier: it's not ITN-worthy. - [[User:SchroCat|SchroCat]] ([[User talk:SchroCat|talk]]) 16:45, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Reopened''' as a bad [[WP:NAC]]. No explanation given as to the determination of no consensus and the outcome wasn't obvious. [[User:Hurricane Noah|<b style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah</b>]], [[Associate of Arts|AA]]<sup>[[User talk:Hurricane Noah|<b style="color:#ff0000">Talk</b>]]</sup> 19:11, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Strong oppose''' per above. Would like to add that we don't nominate other College Championship games, why is the American one suddenly ITN-worthy? <span style="font-family: Courier New; background-color: green; padding: 2px 3px 1px 3px;">[[User:Twistedaxe|<span style="color: yellow">TwistedAxe</span>]] [[User talk:Twistedaxe|<span style="color: navy">[contact]</span>]]</span> 19:59, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Admin comment''' I've gone through the above comments with regards to notability (as opposed to article quality). We have 15 supports, 2 nuanced supports, 14 opposes, and 1 neutral. Views are expressed backed up by a variety of references to policy and guidance. I don't detect consensus to post. '''[[User:Schwede66|<span style="color: #000000;">Schwede</span>]][[User talk:Schwede66|<span style="color: #FF4500;">66</span>]]''' 22:21, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
*:It doesn't look like it ''was'' a bad close then. With the vote count evenly split and decent guidelines quoted by both sides, that's not a consensus as far as it goes. - [[User:SchroCat|SchroCat]] ([[User talk:SchroCat|talk]]) 08:54, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
*::{{re|SchroCat}} Any non-admin close is bad if the result is close or controversial per [[WP:BADNAC]]. Combine that with their lack of experience in general and the lack of explanation for how they determined there to be no consensus. [[User:Hurricane Noah|<b style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah</b>]], [[Associate of Arts|AA]]<sup>[[User talk:Hurricane Noah|<b style="color:#ff0000">Talk</b>]]</sup> 12:30, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
*:::I disagree. The result here is that there really is no consensus to post, if you go by [[Wikipedia:Consensus|what consensus actually means]]. - [[User:SchroCat|SchroCat]] ([[User talk:SchroCat|talk]]) 12:48, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
*:@[[User:Schwede66|Schwede66]]: What are some of the "references to policy and guidance"? AFAICS, the only relevant one might be [[WP:ITNSIGNIF]]: {{tq2|It is highly subjective whether an event is considered significant enough, and ultimately each event should be discussed on its own merits.}} Basically, ITN posting is just purely subjective. And seems that votes on it not being worldwide or being domestic should be discounted per [[WP:ITNCDONT]]: {{tq2|Please do not...Oppose an item just because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one. We post a lot of such content, so these comments are generally unproductive.}} —[[User:Bagumba|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba|talk]]) 10:12, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
::* Can someone close this again (I can't as I commented on the Oppose side).  I understand why Noah re-opened it, but the result isn't really controversial. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 14:57, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
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| article       = Adan Canto
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/10/us/adan-canto-dead.html ''The New York Times'']; [https://apnews.com/article/adan-canto-dies-2c2f676b57563b2f79341b7d929eb08d Associated Press]; [https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/tv/story/2024-01-09/adan-canto-dead-obituary-cleaning-lady ''Los Angeles Times'']
| updated       = yes
| nominator     = Bloom6132
| updaters       = Bloom6132
| nom cmt       = 
| sign          = [[User:Bloom6132|Bloom6132]] ([[User talk:Bloom6132|talk]]) 05:38, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
}}

:'''Support''' article looks good and ready.  [[User:Alsoriano97|_-_Alsor]] ([[User talk:Alsoriano97|talk]]) 12:47, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Support''' This has enough details & references. [[User:Blaylockjam10|Blaylockjam10]] ([[User talk:Blaylockjam10|talk]]) 01:17, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted to RD'''. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082529">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T•</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">C</span>]]</sup> 04:34, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

==== (Posted) RD: Denis Walker ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Denis Walker
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://thehaveringdaily.co.uk/2024/01/09/he-was-a-great-man-andrew-rosindell-mp-pays-tribute-to-former-romford-deputy-president/]
| updated       = yes
| nominator     = The C of E <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = The C of E
}} Former Rhodesian government minister and Zimbabwean MP  <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.5em 0.5em 0.6em;"> '''[[User:The C of E|<span style="color:red;">The C of E </span><span style="color:blue;"> God Save the King!</span>]]''' ([[User talk:The C of E|<span style="color:darkblue;">talk</span>]])</span> 19:32, 10 January 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->

*<s>'''Oppose for now''' There are too many cn tags & as I said in the “POV deletions” section of the article’s talk page, I have concerns about a user removing referenced info for partisan reasons.</s> '''Support''' This has enough details & references now. [[User:Blaylockjam10|Blaylockjam10]] ([[User talk:Blaylockjam10|talk]]) 20:49, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
**{{ping|Blaylockjam10}} I have tried to source what I could find and remove the unsourced stuff. I am disappointed to see that happening, I didn't know it was going on. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.5em 0.5em 0.6em;"> '''[[User:The C of E|<span style="color:red;">The C of E </span><span style="color:blue;"> God Save the King!</span>]]''' ([[User talk:The C of E|<span style="color:darkblue;">talk</span>]])</span> 09:00, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
***{{tq|I am disappointed to see that happening, I didn't know it was going on.}} That’s understandable. I only noticed it because I expected an article about a Rhodesian politician to have that sort of content & I looked at the article’s history when I didn’t see that content. [[User:Blaylockjam10|Blaylockjam10]] ([[User talk:Blaylockjam10|talk]]) 07:29, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 22:16, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

==== (Closed) Élisabeth Borne resigns as French prime minister ====
{{atop
| status = 
| result = Superseded by the Attal nomination above. {{nac}} [[User:Curbon7|Curbon7]] ([[User talk:Curbon7|talk]]) 01:34, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
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{{ITN candidate
| article       = Élisabeth Borne
| image         = La Première ministre française Élisabeth Borne (cropped).jpg
| blurb         = '''[[Élisabeth Borne]]''' resigns as [[Prime Minister of France]] following the passage of an immigration bill.
| altblurb      = '''[[Gabriel Attal]]''' replaces [[Élisabeth Borne]] as [[Prime Minister of France]], following the latter's resignation after the passage of an immigration bill.
| recent deaths = no
| sources       = [https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-67914869 BBC] [https://www.midilibre.fr/2024/01/09/en-direct-remaniement-ministeriel-gabriel-attal-un-jeune-homme-brillant-mais-un-ministre-sans-bilan-pour-olivier-faure-11684620.php MidiLibre]
| updated       = no <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Twistedaxe<!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}}
Quite significant and expected to be apart of a larger cabinet reshuffle in 2024. <span style="font-family: Courier New; background-color: green; padding: 2px 3px 1px 3px;">[[User:Twistedaxe|<span style="color: yellow">TwistedAxe</span>]] [[User talk:Twistedaxe|<span style="color: navy">[contact]</span>]]</span> 23:41, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
*Seems to be big news, but how much power does the PM of France have? Does not seem to have the same power that prime ministers in other countries have. [[User:Natg 19|Natg 19]] ([[User talk:Natg 19|talk]]) 23:53, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
**Our govt heads list has the French president as the position of power, not PM.<span id="Masem:1704758244826:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> —&nbsp;[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 23:57, 8 January 2024 (UTC)</span>
*:France is a [[semi-presidential system]] with the concept of [[cohabitation (government)]]. When the majority in Parliament is an opposition party to the President, that opposition is appointed the government by the President because the government must have the support of the Parliament, and there is some measure of power-sharing. But when the majority in Parliament is on the President's side, like in this case, the President is the leader of the majority coalition and thus largely controls the appointment of officials, so PM has little power and basically serves as a second-in-command. From what I know, at least. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 00:01, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*::That's basically it, the PM is the more powerful one when from the opposition (happened three times, [[Chirac]], [[Balladur]], and [[Jospin]]), and otherwise mostly executes the President's leadership. Under Macron especially, PMs have had comparatively little power. [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#947E00">Chaotıċ<span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:30deg;color:indigo">Enby</span></span>]]<span style="font-size:85%">([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|c]])</span> 01:04, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*:::This is my general question though - if the PM has little power, then is this a "notable" or ITN event? <s>Or is this akin to a cabinet member getting fired or dismissed?</s> [[User:Natg 19|Natg 19]] ([[User talk:Natg 19|talk]]) 01:59, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*::::Probably not that notable, but not irrelevant either, although I'm probably biased by it being from my own country in thinking it's more notable than it actually is. [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#947E00">Chaotıċ<span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:30deg;color:indigo">Enby</span></span>]]<span style="font-size:85%">([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|c]])</span> 02:09, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Wait/Support'''. Would be in favor of posting when a new PM is sworn in. [[User:DarkSide830|DarkSide830]] ([[User talk:DarkSide830|talk]]) 00:20, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*:[[Gabriel Attal]] got the job. [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#947E00">Chaotıċ<span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:30deg;color:indigo">Enby</span></span>]]<span style="font-size:85%">([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|c]])</span> 11:24, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' and I'm bringing the popcorn to watch who Macron is picking next. [[Bruno Le Maire|Le Maire]]? [[Gérald Darmanin|Darmanin]]? [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#947E00">Chaotıċ<span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:30deg;color:indigo">Enby</span></span>]]<span style="font-size:85%">([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|c]])</span> 01:05, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*:Probably [[Gabriel Attal]].  [[User:Alsoriano97|_-_Alsor]] ([[User talk:Alsoriano97|talk]]) 09:19, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*::Would that make him the youngest Prime Minister until now? Probably an interesting thing that could be added to a potential Attal blurb, if that ever comes to be. [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#947E00">Chaotıċ<span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:30deg;color:indigo">Enby</span></span>]]<span style="font-size:85%">([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|c]])</span> 09:52, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*:::For me it's trivial and not significant. It is more noticeable, I think, that ''again'' a woman has not been nominated as a likely PM.  [[User:Alsoriano97|_-_Alsor]] ([[User talk:Alsoriano97|talk]]) 13:22, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*::::? A woman was just PM. What do you mean ''again''? [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 17:34, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' - the PM in France's system does not control the executive like the PM in a Parliamentary system does. -- [[User:Rockstone35|<span style="color:#DF0101"><b>Rockstone</b></span>]][[User talk:Rockstone35|<span style="color:0000ff;font-size:15px"><sup><small><b>Send me a message!</b></small></sup></span>]] 02:54, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*:But it has very important executive powers (mainly in domestic affairs other than international relations and defense). France has a semi-presidential system.  [[User:Alsoriano97|_-_Alsor]] ([[User talk:Alsoriano97|talk]]) 09:22, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*::It does, but it's de facto under the influence of the president outside of cohabitations. Of all semi-presidential systems we don't really have the most effective PMs... [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#947E00">Chaotıċ<span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:30deg;color:indigo">Enby</span></span>]]<span style="font-size:85%">([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|c]])</span> 09:50, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per Rockstone. [[User:The Kip|<span style="color:#333f42;">'''The'''</span>]] [[User talk:The Kip|<span style="color:#b4975a;">'''Kip'''</span>]] 03:51, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' &ndash; Just a one-line update. Needs a solid paragraph on recent events. Article can use some work in general I think. ~[[User:Maplestrip|<span style="color:#005080">Maplestrip/Mable</span>]] ([[User talk:Maplestrip|<span style="color:#700090">chat</span>]]) 07:42, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

:'''Oppose''' on quality. There are multiple unsourced paragraphs. --[[User:MtPenguinMonster|MtPenguinMonster]] ([[User talk:MtPenguinMonster|talk]]) 08:14, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Weak oppose''' The position of prime minister in France is not as stable as in other countries, so changes and reshuffles of governments are not very extraordinary and represent "one more political crisis". I do not think that Borne's resignation is ITN, nor do I think that the appointment of his successor is ITN because the important political figure is the president of the republic. [[User:Alsoriano97|_-_Alsor]] ([[User talk:Alsoriano97|talk]]) 09:25, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Weak Oppose''' I'm actually inclined to believe that there's more than just "the one head of government" in each country whose replacement merits blurbing, even if the secondary figure doesn't particularly influence their respective government. (after all, it's practically an automatic blurb when certain members of royalty change...) And for France, that second seat ''would'' be the nominal Head of Government, their Prime Minister. However, this appears to be part of a ''broader'' event that extends well beyond just this one office, as also alluded to by the fact that this has basically been a one-sentence update. So at face value, it's notable, but I'm not seeing much direct specific substance to this event. [[User:Nottheking|Nottheking]] ([[User talk:Nottheking|talk]]) 11:14, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' This isn't very notable in a country where the president exercises the executive power.--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 11:39, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*Note: Attal as her replacement nominated separately above. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:Sandstein|<span style="color:white;background:blue;font-family:sans-serif;">''' Sandstein '''</span>]]</span></small> 12:17, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

:'''Support'''. Youngest PM in the history is important news and should be thd focus of the blurb. [[User:Кирилл С1|Kirill C1]] ([[User talk:Кирилл С1|talk]]) 16:25, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
{{abot}}

==== (Posted) RD: Wissam al-Tawil ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Wissam al-Tawil
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-strike-lebanon-kills-senior-commander-elite-hezbollah-unit-security-2024-01-08/ Reuters]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = 69.156.166.201 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      =
}}
Senior Hezbollah commander. [[Special:Contributions/69.156.166.201|69.156.166.201]] ([[User talk:69.156.166.201|talk]]) 21:02, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Weak support''' The article feels not much longer than a stub, but it’s adequately-cited. [[User:The Kip|<span style="color:#333f42;">'''The'''</span>]] [[User talk:The Kip|<span style="color:#b4975a;">'''Kip'''</span>]] 05:16, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 22:14, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

====(Posted) RD: J. P. R. Williams ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = J. P. R. Williams
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/67912287 BBC]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = The C of E <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = The C of E, Asto77
}} Wales and British Lions rugby union international <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.5em 0.5em 0.6em;"> '''[[User:The C of E|<span style="color:red;">The C of E </span><span style="color:blue;"> God Save the King!</span>]]''' ([[User talk:The C of E|<span style="color:darkblue;">talk</span>]])</span> 20:54, 8 January 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->
*'''Support''' Article looks good. --[[User:TDKR Chicago 101|TDKR Chicago 101]] ([[User talk:TDKR Chicago 101|talk]]) 00:37, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Looks very well sourced. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 15:32, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 22:15, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

==== (Posted) Vulcan rocket launches Peregrine ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Vulcan Centaur |article2= Peregrine Mission One
| image         = Peregrine launch.jpg
| blurb         = [[United Launch Alliance]]'s '''[[Vulcan Centaur]]''' rocket debuts with the successful launch of the '''''[[Peregrine Mission One|Peregrine]]''''' lunar lander, the first mission on NASA's [[Commercial Lunar Payload Services]] program.
| recent deaths = 
| sources       = [https://spacenews.com/vulcan-centaur-launches-peregrine-lunar-lander-on-inaugural-mission/ Spacenews]
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| nominator     = Jolielegal<!-- Do NOT change this -->
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}}
Historical launch notable for two independent reasons. It is the first launch of the brand new [[Vulcan Centaur]] rocket, and the first mission on NASA's [[Commercial Lunar Payload Services]] program and the first time the US launches a lunar lander since the Apollo era. [[User:Jolielegal|Jolielegal]] ([[User talk:Jolielegal|talk]]) 09:03, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support.''' Not just the first successful flight of an entirely-new rocket, it also brings a number of firsts. And that's even ''before'' getting to it being the launch of a mission to land on the Moon. I fixed all CN tags I found, and removed an orange-tagged empty section; both articles seem to be in good shape to me, but I'd welcome more looks. [[User:Nottheking|Nottheking]] ([[User talk:Nottheking|talk]]) 10:18, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - LFG!! Definitely should be posted as per @[[User:Nottheking|Nottheking]].  [[User:PrecariousWorlds|PrecariousWorlds]] ([[User talk:PrecariousWorlds|talk]]) 11:38, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Historic moment in space exploration. [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#947E00">Chaotıċ<span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:30deg;color:indigo">Enby</span></span>]]<span style="font-size:85%">([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|c]])</span> 11:55, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
*It'll be ITNR when it gets there. —[[User:Cryptic|Cryptic]] 11:55, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
*:The lander would be ITNR if it successfully lands. The launch wouldn't be ITN, but for that it's the first launch of a major new rocket - Vulcan. This will replace the Atlas and Delta rockets. Though given the shear number of Lunar landings the USA has scheduled in the next 12 months, perhaps we need to review that. [[User:Nfitz|Nfitz]] ([[User talk:Nfitz|talk]]) 16:05, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Unmanned rocket takes off successfully. [[User:Nigej|Nigej]] ([[User talk:Nigej|talk]]) 12:36, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
:Are you aware, [[User:Nigej]] that this is the first flight of Vulcan - a major new rocket that will replace Atlas and Delta rockets. [[User:Nfitz|Nfitz]] ([[User talk:Nfitz|talk]]) 16:05, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
::I am aware of that. The problem is that there's much going on in this area at the moment. Plenty of new rockets/missions from many different countries. Let's focus here on missions that actually achieve something significant, not just taking off. [[User:Nigej|Nigej]] ([[User talk:Nigej|talk]]) 16:12, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' &ndash; I support this will be our feature for [[Vulcan Centaur]], which is a lovely article that clearly a lot of work has gone into. I expect we'll replace the blurb with a new one post-landing? ~[[User:Maplestrip|<span style="color:#005080">Maplestrip/Mable</span>]] ([[User talk:Maplestrip|<span style="color:#700090">chat</span>]]) 12:55, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
:* Landing isn't scheduled until late-February.
*'''Support''' - this is more than just a routine launch of a satellite into orbit  <small> ✈</small> [[User:mike_gigs|mike_gigs]] <sup>[[User talk:mike_gigs|talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/mike_gigs|contribs]]</sub> 14:28, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - though the blurb focus should be on the Vulcan Centaur - not the lunar lander, which should be blurbed at the end of February if it successfully lands. Vulcan Centaur is a major new rocket, that will be the workhorse of ULA launches for the rest of decade, now that production has ended on the Atlas and Delta rockets. [[User:Nfitz|Nfitz]] ([[User talk:Nfitz|talk]]) 16:05, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. Boldly going somewhere we've gone plenty of times before, I guess? [[User:DarkSide830|DarkSide830]] ([[User talk:DarkSide830|talk]]) 16:09, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' the launch as this type of rocket series has been used before so not a breakthrough, but do Support when the lander reaches the destination. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 18:14, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
*:BTW, this series has ''not'' been used before: this is the first-ever Vulcan rocket. While it derives some heritage from a few other vehicles, its design is still pretty alien compared to any other rocket to ever have attempted flight. While it shares a 5.4-meter diameter tank size with Delta IV, the differences largely end there, as it's shorter, the panels use an orthogrid (instead of isogrid) structure, and it has a common bulkhead between the oxidizer & fuel tanks instead of an intertank section. (which as far as I can tell is a first for *any* booster stage) Oh yeah, and it's also propelled using liquid natural gas as its fuel; this marks just the second-ever successful [[methalox]] rocket to reach orbit. (after the Chinese [[Zhuque-2]]) 
*:To put it into perspective, it represents just the 9th medium-or-greater (>2,000kg to LEO) launcher family in United States history. (a list that includes Atlas, Titan, Thor/Delta, Saturn, Space Shuttle, Falcon, Antares, Space Launch System, and now Vulcan.) [[User:Nottheking|Nottheking]] ([[User talk:Nottheking|talk]]) 12:52, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' Surely the current blurb is untenable, given that it seems that, despite the successful take-off, the mission will fail to achieve any of its important scientific objectives. [[User:Nigej|Nigej]] ([[User talk:Nigej|talk]]) 19:15, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Support''' per above [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 20:55, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' The news now is that the lander has developed a fault and so may not be able to land.  This is generating more coverage <u>now</u> and so it seems best to post this now rather than waiting on its uncertain future. [[user:Andrew Davidson|Andrew]]🐉([[user talk:Andrew Davidson|talk]]) 23:29, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
**When the Indian probe failed to land properly on the moon, we posted that. Similarly we should wait until it's fully confirmed that the mission failed as the point to post. If they somehow pull an Apollo 13 and have a successful landing, that would be as important.<span id="Masem:1704758360594:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> —&nbsp;[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 23:59, 8 January 2024 (UTC)</span>
**:Fully agree with your reasoning, but I don't remember Apollo 13 having a successful lunar landing... :p [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#947E00">Chaotıċ<span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:30deg;color:indigo">Enby</span></span>]]<span style="font-size:85%">([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|c]])</span> 01:16, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
**::I meant it as pulling off an engineering miracle to save the astronauts. [[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 01:23, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' humans launch a rocket into space (or fail to); specifically, if it's space-related and not INTR, it's unlikely to be significant enough for ITN. [[User:Kcmastrpc|Kcmastrpc]] ([[User talk:Kcmastrpc|talk]]) 23:43, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
*:* ITN/R isn't the only reason for things to get posted. After all, that's the case for every blue- and yellow-box nomination here. Being listed in ITN/R (which is due for a revision) merely means it automatically passes the "notability" test, but that doesn't mean things that don't are automatically ''not'' notable. This was the first successful orbital launch of a brand-new rocket family, which there is a fairly broad consensus is notable. (and probably strong support to be re-added to ITN/R, which it ''previously was'') But the important thing to note is that "not being ITN/R means it's not notable" isn't really true. [[User:Nottheking|Nottheking]] ([[User talk:Nottheking|talk]]) 02:27, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' as there's consensus for this. I've deleted the word "successful" from the blurb. If something happens regarding failed landings, we'll update the hook. Media is currently awaiting protection. '''[[User:Schwede66|<span style="color: #000000;">Schwede</span>]][[User talk:Schwede66|<span style="color: #FF4500;">66</span>]]''' 01:53, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
== January 7 ==
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==== (Posted blurb) RD/blurb: Franz Beckenbauer====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Franz Beckenbauer
| recent deaths = yes
| blurb         = Former German footballer and manager '''[[Franz Beckenbauer]]''' dies at the age of 78.
| sources       = <ref>https://www.theguardian.com/football/2024/jan/08/franz-beckenbauer-world-cup-winning-captain-and-manager-dies-aged-78</ref><ref>https://www.thesun.ie/sport/11967973/franz-beckenbauer-dead-german-legend/</ref><ref>https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/other/german-world-cup-winning-captain-and-coach-franz-beckenbauer-dies-at-78/ar-AA1mDVSj</ref>
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| nominator     = Shakya2007 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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}} <!-- Additional comments go before here --> Former [[Bayern Munich]] and [[Germany national football team|Germany]] captain [[Franz Beckenbauer]] died on 7 January 2024. He was considered to be one of the greatest defenders of all time,<ref name="FIFA profile">{{cite web|url=https://www.fifa.com/u20womensworldcup/news/y=2007/m=4/news=der-kaiser-the-brains-behind-germany-503637.html|title=Der Kaiser, the brains behind Germany|access-date=24 July 2009|publisher=[[FIFA]]|archive-date=9 April 2016|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20160409234351/http://www.fifa.com/u20womensworldcup/news/y=2007/m=4/news=der-kaiser-the-brains-behind-germany-503637.html|url-status=dead}}</ref><ref name="Independent">{{cite news|url=https://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/profiles/franz-beckenbauer-the-kaiser-480839.html|title=Franz Beckenbauer: The Kaiser|first=James|last=Lawton|work=The Independent|location=UK|date=3 June 2006|access-date=24 July 2009|archive-date=27 February 2010|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20100227094958/http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/profiles/franz-beckenbauer-the-kaiser-480839.html|url-status=live}}</ref><ref name="libero">{{cite web|url=http://www.ifhof.com/hof/beckenbauer.asp|title=Franz Beckenbauer bio|publisher=ifhof.com – International Football Hall of Fame|access-date=29 March 2008|archive-date=20 May 2012|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20120520002940/http://www.ifhof.com/hof/beckenbauer.asp|url-status=live}}</ref> and perhaps one of the greatest players to ever play the sport. [[User:Shakya2007|Shakya2007]] ([[User talk:Shakya2007|talk]]) 16:38, 8 January 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->
*'''Support blurb once ready'''. NOW we're talking about one of the greatest of this sport. The greatest defender of all time, two-time World Champion (one of only three to win both as player and coach), two-time Ballon d'Or, the list goes on and on. While reputation definitely suffered in the last decade or two, he's still widely revered in Germany and beyond. - [[User:CDE34RFV|CDE34RFV]] ([[User talk:CDE34RFV|talk]]) 16:55, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Support'''. Anyone who was considered the best in soccer for that year (except Sir Bobby for some reason), should be put in RD. Keep in mind that he was considered the best in soccer for '''TWO''' years. [[User:Sadbunny3|Sadbunny3]] ([[User talk:Sadbunny3|talk]]) 16:59, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Support once ready''': Beckenbauer's life and achievements speak for themselves (both in a good and a bad way), so he's undoubtedly eligible. However, I should note that many sentences in the first half of the article, as well as many accolades in the "Career statistics" section, still need to be supported by citations... I hope I'll be able to provide some help myself on that front. [[User:Oltrepier|Oltrepier]] ([[User talk:Oltrepier|talk]]) 17:20, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
::allocades that "speak for themselves" I'd not sufficient for a blurb. They should be described as part of why the person was significant or important for merit ing a blurb. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 18:20, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
:::He was called Der Kaiser — the Emperor — for a reason. This ''does'' speak for itself, in my opinion. [[User:Кирилл С1|Kirill C1]] ([[User talk:Кирилл С1|talk]]) 20:30, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
::::But nit to anyone not familiar with football. The article should have clear context for that, and it is lacking that now.<span id="Masem:1704750449115:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> —&nbsp;[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 21:47, 8 January 2024 (UTC)</span>
: And while we're at it, [[Mario Zagallo]]. Funny both men with such similar deeds die so near each other in time. [[Special:Contributions/41.58.54.167|41.58.54.167]] ([[User talk:41.58.54.167|talk]]) 17:30, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
::They also look confusingly similar. --[[User:Florian Blaschke|Florian Blaschke]] ([[User talk:Florian Blaschke|talk]]) 17:36, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support blurb when ready''' Considered one of the greatest footballers of his time, article reflects this, however the article has some ref work to be done. --[[User:TDKR Chicago 101|TDKR Chicago 101]] ([[User talk:TDKR Chicago 101|talk]]) 17:28, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support blurb''' when ready. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|~~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:48, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Strong oppose blurb''' Like I said on the other active football blurb nom, "winning at sports" is not sufficient for a blurb. The systemic bias is strong here. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 17:49, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
*:Top of the field is what counts. He was top of the field. [[User:Кирилл С1|Kirill C1]] ([[User talk:Кирилл С1|talk]]) 20:02, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - Beckenbauer was one of the most important people (not just as a player) in soccer history, so definitely worthy of a blurb. [[User:Rlendog|Rlendog]] ([[User talk:Rlendog|talk]]) 17:57, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose blurb'''. Given that Mario Zagallo has been rejected, there is zero reason to blurb Beckenbauer. Their achievements are very similar. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 18:02, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
*:Beckenbauer has more achievements than Zagallo, and frankly speaking more famous to most current readers. 85 wiki pages in different languages for Beckenbauer and 51 for Zagallo. They are figures of different level. Beckenbauer is also famous as long term Bauern chief. [[User:Кирилл С1|Kirill C1]] ([[User talk:Кирилл С1|talk]]) 19:57, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose blurb''' As with Zaggallo, the article does not clearly explain how he was an influential player or manager, and hand-waving these claims do not help. '''Oppose RD''' at this time due to several missing citations. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 18:17, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
*:He was transformative figure in German football, and also international. He was even inducted in U.S. football Hall of Fame.
*:He helped German 2006 bid, and World Cup in Germany was a transformative and very big event that changed the way joe football is viewed in Germany. [[User:Кирилл С1|Kirill C1]] ([[User talk:Кирилл С1|talk]]) 20:01, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
*:Agree with Kirill. Beckenbauer's transformative nature as a footballer, manager and executive/ambassador are the source of the title of [https://www.simonandschuster.co.uk/books/The-Three-Lives-of-the-Kaiser/Uli-Hesse/9781471189104 this biography] (Yes, I know anyone can write a book on anything, but it shows the breadth of his impact). I can't access the NYT homepage to see its billing, but there's a long obituary in the NYT which covers the main points (revolutionary defender, winning manager, controversial ambassador) [https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/08/world/europe/franz-beckenbauer-dead.html]. [[User:Unknown Temptation|Unknown Temptation]] ([[User talk:Unknown Temptation|talk]]) 20:08, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
*::From New York Times:
*::"A cerebral player whose technical skills and tactical awareness revolutionized his position in central defense, Beckenbauer was nicknamed “Der Kaiser” for his ability to control games and score goals from a position largely charged with preventing them." [[User:Кирилл С1|Kirill C1]] ([[User talk:Кирилл С1|talk]]) 20:19, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
*:::That's nice and all, but failing to have a significant section in ''our'' Article is a problem. RD blurbs should be very clear why we are promoting this person over the dozens of other deaths happening. Until that stuff is actually written onto our articles, it's hand waving claims of importance even if you can provide links here.<span id="Masem:1704750306315:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> —&nbsp;[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 21:45, 8 January 2024 (UTC)</span>
*::::I will add that there is now a Legacy section which partially satisfies my concern. But the article is still undersourced, so that's still a barrier to posting anything.<span id="Masem:1704752478249:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> —&nbsp;[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 22:21, 8 January 2024 (UTC)</span>
:'''Strong support blurb'''. If we blurb a footballer, this is who we should blurb. Captain of German World Cup winning team, ultimate footballer.
:He wasn't only a football player, his activities as Bayern Munich chief are very notable. [[User:Кирилл С1|Kirill C1]] ([[User talk:Кирилл С1|talk]]) 19:52, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Oppose blurb''' old man dies. No disrespect intended. Keyword is ''former''. ITN should not be an obituary celebrating life achievements. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 19:57, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
::In my opinion, when someone dies who is world famous, to the point of being not only household name, but the representative of an era, or a certain field, like Tina Turner, Mikhail Gorbachyov, then this person should be blurbed. [[User:Кирилл С1|Kirill C1]] ([[User talk:Кирилл С1|talk]]) 20:07, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
::"Keynote is ''former''" — Gorbachyov, Jim Brown, Henry Kissinger, Sidney Poitier, Jiang Zemin, former Fillipines president, former Angola president dos Santos were all ''former'' or retired. It didn't stop them from getting blurb. [[User:Кирилл С1|Kirill C1]] ([[User talk:Кирилл С1|talk]]) 20:10, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
:::I believe that my first ITN appearance was only in September, so the only one I was here for was Kissinger, and I opposed it. If you go back in the archive and look I actually said the exact same thing I said here: "old man dies". Also I said key''word'', not key''note'', so that's a misquote. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 20:12, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
::::Can I blame autocorrect? 😉 I would edit it but you already noticed this so don't know ehat to do. [[User:Кирилл С1|Kirill C1]] ([[User talk:Кирилл С1|talk]]) 20:27, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
:::::It's not a big deal, just felt the need to point it out for accuracy's sake. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 20:31, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
* '''Support blurb''' One of the greatest players, and hugely influential in the game overall. Complaints that another player-manager wasn’t listed are odd: just because there was a mistake in not listing them doesn’t mean we shouldn’t list this one. - [[User:SchroCat|SchroCat]] ([[User talk:SchroCat|talk]]) 20:06, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Addendum''': I’d also be happy supporting a blurb with both FB and Zagallo mentioned in the same entry. - [[User:SchroCat|SchroCat]] ([[User talk:SchroCat|talk]]) 22:56, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support blurb'''. Probably the most notable player of his generation. His death is widely covered in the news around the world. [[User:Shanes|Shanes]] ([[User talk:Shanes|talk]]) 20:08, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose blurb''' If Zagallo doesn’t merit a blurb, no way Beckenbauer does. Also, “one of the greatest” in football is a very broad category. It’s not even clear that he was the greatest German footballer ever because many regard [[Gerd Müller]] as such.--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 20:38, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
::It seems odd to reject one just because someone else who could have been listed wasn’t. I suspect it’s because WP is Western-centric, but that is hardly FB’s fault. - [[User:SchroCat|SchroCat]] ([[User talk:SchroCat|talk]]) 22:56, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
:::It's not his fault, but it'd be unjust. I don't think it's a matter of Western-centrism as we didn't post a blurb for Cruyff, who was at least as notable and influential in the sport as Beckenbauer. The main problem is that we have death blurbs in the current form. There are no death blurbs on the German Wikipedia, and the community there didn't make an exception for him.--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 11:51, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
::::We should have blurbed Cruyff. Period. [[User:Кирилл С1|Kirill C1]] ([[User talk:Кирилл С1|talk]]) 16:27, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

*'''Support blurb''' - According to the sources in the article, he was one of the greatest players in the history of the most popular sport in the world. Several accomplishments too that are internationally recognized. Comparing him to Zagallo is a mistake because sources widely covered Beckenbauer's career in more detail.  [[User:Morogris|Morogris]]<small> (</small><big>[[User talk:Morogris|<span style="color:darkred">'''✉'''</span>]]</big> • [[Special:Contributions/Morogris|<span style="color:darkgreen">'''✎'''</span>]]<small>)</small> 20:41, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Weak support blurb on principle, oppose on quality''' Beckenbauer is widely considered the greatest football defender of all time, or at least tied for the GOAT with Maldini.  As such, he is probably notable enough for a blurb.  However, the article is not yet ready. [[User:NorthernFalcon|NorthernFalcon]] ([[User talk:NorthernFalcon|talk]]) 20:51, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

:'''Comment'''. There is an article in The Guardian entitled ''Franz Beckenbauer was the complete footballer and a triumphant coach'' [https://www.theguardian.com/football/2024/jan/08/franz-beckenbauer-complete-footballer-coach-der-kaiser-bayern-west-germany-world-cup] [[User:Кирилл С1|Kirill C1]] ([[User talk:Кирилл С1|talk]]) 22:54, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. My question here is just how many soccer players do we consider there to be/have been that were given blurbs/are worthy of future blurbs? Can't say I know enough about Zagallo or Beckenbauer, but are these individuals we would rank within the five most important soccer figures ever? Ten? Generally speaking, most fields don't see so many blurbs for their members short of people with truly transformative impact on the world, ie politicians, scientists, etc. Do we really consider either of these men in that category? [[User:DarkSide830|DarkSide830]] ([[User talk:DarkSide830|talk]]) 01:37, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*:I am not really a football (soccer) fan, but it appears that Beckenbauer is considered one of the greatest defensemen of all time. Unsure about Zagallo. [[User:Natg 19|Natg 19]] ([[User talk:Natg 19|talk]]) 02:04, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*:It is quite the opposite for politicians. Every time head of the state dies, we make a blurb. We blurbed Queen Elizabeth II, former Philippines President,  dos Santos — former Angola President, Henry Kissinger, Kuwait head, Mikhail Gorbachyov in 2022 and 2023 alone. During that time we only blurbed Pele. [[User:Кирилл С1|Kirill C1]] ([[User talk:Кирилл С1|talk]]) 07:14, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*::And that's how it should be. Politicians are more impactful then sportspeople. [[User:DarkSide830|DarkSide830]] ([[User talk:DarkSide830|talk]]) 19:50, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*::In the case of monarchies like Kuwait, it's also due to the fact that they tend to get replaced when dying, which is usually newsworthy. [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#947E00">Chaotıċ<span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:30deg;color:indigo">Enby</span></span>]]<span style="font-size:85%">([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|c]])</span> 20:43, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support blurb'''. Transformative player followed by a most successful career as coach. Would also be happy to have a double blurb with [[Mário Zagallo]]. '''[[User:Schwede66|<span style="color: #000000;">Schwede</span>]][[User talk:Schwede66|<span style="color: #FF4500;">66</span>]]''' 02:06, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*:I'd be unhappy. Even having heard of neither, I can tell these are different people with different stories. Nothing in either article suggests their teams even played each other. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 04:43, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*::Beckenbauer is the pillar of football, I can't believe anyone has not heard of him.
*::He was very active while at Bayern Munich, very influential. [[User:Кирилл С1|Kirill C1]] ([[User talk:Кирилл С1|talk]]) 07:16, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*:::I've heard of Cristiano Ronaldo, David Beckham and Lionel Messi. These are the Wayne Gretzkys, Michael Jordans and Hulk Hogans of the sport, as far as I and millions of other non-fans know. Even if he was "that damn good", his death doesn't change that and it doesn't make him anything like Zagallo (aside from making them dead, like the other eight notable footballers this year). [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 07:21, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*::::It's a trite and completely incorrect comparison you're making, based on a view of the sport that shows no real understanding of it (this isn't meant as an insult, but Der Kaiser was twice as good as Beckham and a lot more influential than the others when football was a different beast altogether). People have heard of the three you've listed because they are current or very recent players and all are goalscorers (who get much more press than defenders), but I wouldn't vote for Beckham for a blurb simply based on his footballing at the moment. Neither Beckham nor Ronaldo have won the World Cup and Messi only won it once. That's very, very different from Beckenbauer's record. - [[User:SchroCat|SchroCat]] ([[User talk:SchroCat|talk]]) 09:41, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*:::::I'm not trying to make any sort of "correct" comparison. It's just that as one of the millions (maybe billions) of people with no real understanding of the sport, these are the three I've heard of. Believe it or not! I'm voting OMD on all of them, if there's nothing more to the stories of their demises. I have no opinion on who's bigger ''everywhere'' or why, who would win if they played each other or who deserves higher praise immediately after they can't read it. I just know [[Franz Beckenbauer#Death|there's nothing remarkable about this recent death]]. Wonderful life, apparently, cheers to that much! [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 10:05, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*::::::I don't know much about 50% of the people that appear as a blurb (and I haven't heard of about 25% of those who appear), but that's entirely down to my ignorance and shouldn't affect whether they appear or not. "Remarkable death" is not the only criteria for inclusion as a blurb, and Beckenbauer's impact went way beyond his playing career. - [[User:SchroCat|SchroCat]] ([[User talk:SchroCat|talk]]) 10:43, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*:::::::Agreed. I haven't heard of many of the most formerly impactful people on Earth and wouldn't hold that against their fans at a time like this. This is only a sidetrack attempting to assure C1 of how culturally insulated I (and mine) ''actually'' am/are; my vote and its reasons are all per JM. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 11:27, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*:::::::Death blurb requirements are found at [[WP:ITNRDBLURB]]: {{tqb|In general, if a person's death is only notable for what they did while alive, it belongs as an RD link. If the person's death itself is newsworthy for either the manner of death or the newsworthy reaction to it, it may merit a blurb...The death of major figures may merit a blurb. These cases are rare, and are usually posted on a sui generis basis through a discussion at WP:ITNC that determines there is consensus that the death merits a blurb.}} Practically, this means that the death is supposed to be the story, not the life. In the case of this person, the life is the main story. It's up to individual standards to determine whether or not this person has a "major figure" exception and if major figures even have an exception. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 17:28, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*::::Beckham was born at the time Beckenbauer was active, Ronaldo and Messi were born afterwards. They are more famous now because their peak was long after his. [[User:Кирилл С1|Kirill C1]] ([[User talk:Кирилл С1|talk]]) 16:32, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*:::The only male soccer players I’ve heard of are Pelé, Ronaldo, Cristiano Ronaldo, Messi, Maradona & Beckham. The only female soccer players I’ve heard of are the stars of the U.S. women’s soccer team. Since I’m not a soccer fan, I don’t feel qualified to determine the blurbability of Beckenbauer & Zagallo. [[User:Blaylockjam10|Blaylockjam10]] ([[User talk:Blaylockjam10|talk]]) 21:25, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Blurbless''', per JM. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 05:59, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Strong support blurb''' transformative figure as a player (sweeper). David Beckham was nowhere near world-leading, he was a celebrity [[User:Bumbubookworm|Bumbubookworm]] ([[User talk:Bumbubookworm|talk]]) 07:54, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*:He ''is'' a celebrity, and made soccer cool for a sizable chunk of the New World's youth (not me, though). You [https://www.ipl.org/essay/David-Beckhams-Influence-On-American-Soccer-C7B8AC8DA480F515 kind of] had to be here to get it. What did this guy change? [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 08:07, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*::Fun fact,  Beckenbauer did play in the US, from 1977-80 and '83. I bet Americans in the 70s were influenced by him. In fact, he was inducted into the [[National Soccer Hall of Fame]] (in the US). [[User:Natg 19|Natg 19]] ([[User talk:Natg 19|talk]]) 08:20, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*:::As a Canadian from the '80s, I can't say. All I know is Beckham's movie and later MLS signing were much [https://nationalpost.com/sports/soccer/david-beckhams-allure-in-full-effect-in-montreal ''more''] influential (though that ''is'' a fun fact, thanks). Did you hear Canada might host a World Cup? [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 08:41, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support blurb'''. While Beckham is a celebrity, objectively his success is below the success of Beckenbauer, who won about everything one can win and definitely was on "top of his game". Beckenbauer was voted third in the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IFFHS_World%27s_Best_Player#The_World's_Best_Man_Player_of_the_Century_(1901%E2%80%932000)|World's Best Man Player of the Century]] in 2000 by FIFA. [[Pelé]] (first place in the list), [[Johan Cruyff]] (second) and [[Diego Maradona]] (fifth) all received blurbs, so it would only be fitting for Beckenbauer to get a blurb, too. --[[User:Clibenfoart|Clibenfoart]] ([[User talk:Clibenfoart|talk]]) 09:07, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*:Cruyff was posted only to RD in a heated discussion with many reasonable claims for a blurb because of his overall influence on the game. His omission is another problem to argue that Beckenbauer merits a blurb.--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 11:44, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*::Ok, on Cruyff's discussion page it said that a news item with him was featured after his death. In my personal opinion, anyone who is seen as being among the greatest in a very popular field of sport (and football/soccer is the most popular in the world) should be able to get a news item. Of course, the problem is probably that the popularity of sportsmen depends upon the age and the nationality of the person you ask (American football player [[Jim Brown]] recieved a blurb last year and is not really well-known in many countries outside of the US). --[[User:Clibenfoart|Clibenfoart]] ([[User talk:Clibenfoart|talk]]) 16:51, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose blurb'''. This is what RD is for. Also currently oppose on quality, plenty of uncited information. [[User:Nigej|Nigej]] ([[User talk:Nigej|talk]]) 10:25, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*:I gave 6 citations, how many do you want? [[User:Shakya2007|Shakya2007]] ([[User talk:Shakya2007|talk]]) 15:31, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*::I've counted 7 paragraphs without a single reference, plenty of other sentences without one, club career statistics unreferenced, international goals unreferenced, plenty of honours unreferenced. Currently this article shouldn't even get to RD. [[User:Nigej|Nigej]] ([[User talk:Nigej|talk]]) 16:22, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

:'''Support Blurb''' very notable player [[User:Setarip|Setarip]] ([[User talk:Setarip|talk]]) 16:03, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

*'''Support Blurb''' I came here because I did not see his name on the front page - and I don't really watch football. After reading I am convinced he is a good footballer. My guess is Beckenbauer must be the next important living footballer since [[Pelé]] and [[Diego Maradona|Maradona]] are dead? But now he is dead too. Zagallo winning World Cup is interesting statistic. Beckenbauer did this ''and'' he did so much more. I confess to not know the name Zagallo. But I know the name Beckenbauer.
:All the extra articles and other content on Beckenbauer - not obituaries. Some mention his influence not in football and "reshaping" his ''country''.
:Daily Telegraph
:*[https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2024/01/08/franz-beckenbauer-tribute-west-germany-bayern-munich/ "Franz Beckenbauer: A groundbreaking centre-half and football's finest thinker: With the great West Germany captain's death, the game has lost '''the last of a generation of players who became global TV superstars'''"]
:Sky News
:*[https://news.sky.com/story/beckenbauer-der-kaiser-who-changed-the-perception-of-germany-13044454 "Beckenbauer: Der Kaiser who changed the perception of Germany"] - "We associate Germany as a footballing force because of one man. Franz Beckenbauer became synonymous with success with whatever he touched. '''Reshaping perceptions of his nation.''' Redefining how the game was played. A pioneer and visionary. A legend as a player who tasted glory at the highest levels as a manager - unlike contemporaries Pele and Bobby Charlton."
:Guardian
:*[https://www.theguardian.com/football/2024/jan/08/franz-in-luck-how-beckenbauers-fairytale-career-inspired-germany "'Franz in luck': how Beckenbauer's fairytale career inspired Germany: Der Kaiser's footballing journey '''personified a resurgent country as it looked for unity and to restore its reputation'''"]
:*[https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2024/jan/09/franz-beckenbauer-was-a-player-out-of-time-who-made-football-evolve-with-him "Franz Beckenbauer was a player out of time who '''made football evolve with him''': Germany and Bayern Munich could not quite fathom where to play the young Beckenbauer, so '''he effectively invented a role for himself'''"]
:*[https://www.theguardian.com/football/2024/jan/09/football-daily-farewell-franz-beckenbauer "Building an all-time male football XI ... half-a-dozen players who are automatic picks]. [[Lev Yashin]], [[Paolo Maldini]], Diego Maradona, Leo Messi, Pelé and Franz Beckenbauer... '''Beckenbauer is the greatest centre-back of all time. Those in England will shout for Bobby Moore, and in Italy there will be calls for Franco Baresi. But they are just contenders, understudies, sous chefs.''' Beckenbauer ... combining Franco Baresi's longevity, Moore's intelligence, Koeman's goals, Nesta's bravery (playing the extra time of the 1970 World Cup semi-final against Italy – widely known as the 'Match of the Century' – with a dislocated shoulder and an arm in a sling), Ramos's aggression into one extremely sentient being that elevated both Bayern Munich and West Germany to the top of the sport." No automatic place in the team for [[Johan Cruyff]], [[Cristiano Ronaldo]], [[Gerd Müller]], Zagallo or Beckham - others mention/ask above.
:*[https://www.theguardian.com/football/2024/jan/09/beckenbauer-defined-an-era-as-a-player-and-that-was-just-the-beginning "Beckenbauer defined an era as a player and that was just the beginning: Der Kaiser was not without his controversies but '''his impact''' on German football '''after he hung up his boots was unprecedented'''"]
:*[https://www.theguardian.com/football/2024/jan/08/franz-beckenbauer-complete-footballer-coach-der-kaiser-bayern-west-germany-world-cup "Franz Beckenbauer was the complete footballer and a triumphant coach"]
:*[https://www.theguardian.com/football/live/2024/jan/08/january-transfer-window-2024-follow-the-latest-moves-in-football-live "'The best footballer in German history': tributes paid after Beckenbauer's death"]
:*[https://www.theguardian.com/football/gallery/2024/jan/08/franz-beckenbauer-a-life-in-pictures "Franz Beckenbauer – a life in pictures"]
:BBC
:*[https://www.bbc.com/sport/av/football/67917102 "Franz Beckenbauer: '1966 World Cup final was the toughest game in my life'"] - "Former Bayern Munich player Beckenbauer, '''widely regarded as one of the greatest footballers of all time''', died on Sunday at the age of 78."
:*[https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/67918946 "Franz Beckenbauer: German legend was one of football's most important figures"]
:*[https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0h3ty3p "Monday Night Club: Remembering Franz Beckenbauer"]

:And these not Germany? All England - I thought they liked themselves to be [[England–Germany football rivalry|the enemy]] of Germany?
:I saw [https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/mar/16/jurgen-klopp-liverpool-franz-beckenbauer-bayern-munich this] too. Liverpool manager [[Jürgen Klopp]] in 2019 - praise from Beckenbauer like being knighted ("It is just like the king with his sword calling a man 'sir'") and "Beckenbauer is Der Kaiser rather than the king, though '''when he speaks everyone in Germany listens'''". [[User:Hagesen|Hagesen]] 19:29, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
:As Germany's biggest footballer of all time, he absolutely deserves a blurb [[User:Tommie345|Tommie345]] ([[User talk:Tommie345|talk]]) 14:33, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
'''Support Blurb''' Pelé level football player, who additionally was vastly influential after his active career as a footballer. [[User:Khuft|Khuft]] ([[User talk:Khuft|talk]]) 21:12, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. I’m not seeing the case for the blurb and the entry has many missing citations (I’ve just tagged ten or so, and was pretty lax at that.) [[User:Innisfree987|Innisfree987]] ([[User talk:Innisfree987|talk]]) 22:58, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

*'''Admin note''' this has enough support to be blurbed, but my hands are tied due to the current quality of the article. {{u|Shakya2007}}, there's some work here to be done if you'd like to see it go up. [[User:The ed17|Ed]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:The ed17|[talk]]]&nbsp;[[WP:OMT|[OMT]]]</sup> 00:43, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
*{{Edited2}} I have completely added citations to all paragraphs that need sources, {{u|The ed17}} you can go ahead. --[[User:Ibrahim.ID|<b style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; color:green;">Ibrahim.ID ✪</b> ]] 03:47, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
**{{ping|Ibrahim.ID}} I did some spotchecks of the new references and with all due respect, it's a bit sloppy. I pretty quickly found three places where the new references did not line up with the untouched text they purported to support. I don't have the time right now to dig deeper to determine if there's more issues. [[User:The ed17|Ed]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:The ed17|[talk]]]&nbsp;[[WP:OMT|[OMT]]]</sup> 05:00, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
*::{{ping|The ed17}} Me and {{u|Jmorrison230582}} should have fixed the most glaring issues now; however, I'm struggling a lot to find proper sources to support the paragraph about Civil honours (at the bottom of the page)... [[User:Oltrepier|Oltrepier]] ([[User talk:Oltrepier|talk]]) 12:58, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
*:::Some of the box scores at the bottom also need sourcing for their tables (like the one for goals). This is likely where one source can cover the full table but that once source is needed. [[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 13:13, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
*::::{{ping|Masem}} Done! I think the [https://www.national-football-teams.com/player/16659.html National-Football-Teams profile] is good enough to cover all of the statistics. [[User:Oltrepier|Oltrepier]] ([[User talk:Oltrepier|talk]]) 14:42, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' per article improvements. Kudos to {{u|Ibrahim.ID}}, {{u|Oltrepier}}, and {{u|Jmorrison230582}} for their work in improving the article. Note that in vote count, I'm seeing 16 blurb supports, 2 RD-only supports, and 7 opposes. I'm also seeing multiple strong cases being made e.g. that this player reached the pinnacle of their profession versus at least 2 opposes comparing prior players we haven't posted, which I gave less weight to per [[WP:ITNRDBLURB]]. [[User:The ed17|Ed]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:The ed17|[talk]]]&nbsp;[[WP:OMT|[OMT]]]</sup> 16:45, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

==== (Posted) RD: Joan Acocella ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Joan Acocella
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/07/obituaries/joan-acocella-dead.html NY Times]
| updated       = yes<!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Thriley <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = Mohamad Darilin,Innisfree987<!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}}
Dance critic for ''[[The New Yorker]]'' from 1998 to 2019. [[User:Thriley|Thriley]] ([[User talk:Thriley|talk]]) 04:47, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. I’ve expanded a bit and improved the referencing; I think it’s in acceptable shape. [[User:Innisfree987|Innisfree987]] ([[User talk:Innisfree987|talk]]) 08:01, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
* '''Posted'''. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 21:40, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

====2024 Bangladeshi general election====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = 2024 Bangladeshi general election
| image         = Sheikh Hasina in Sep 2023.jpg
| blurb         = [[Prime Minister of Bangladesh]] [[Sheikh Hasina]] wins record fifth term.
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR          = yes <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb      = In the '''[[2024 Bangladeshi general election|Bangladeshi general election]]''', the ruling [[Awami League]], led by [[Sheikh Hasina]], wins a large majority.
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/south-asia/bangladesh-general-elections-prime-minister-sheikh-hasina-opposition-boycott-bangladesh-nationalist-party/liveblog/106607133.cms The Times of India] [https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/bangladeshs-sheikh-hasina-wins-re-election-for-a-5th-term-her-party-takes-at-least-half-of-seats-afp-quoting-poll-body-4818694#pfrom=home-ndtv_bigstory NDTV]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Pharaoh of the Wizards<!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator       = Nitesh003 
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt= Bangladesh election Hasina wins 5 term.[[User:Pharaoh of the Wizards|Pharaoh of the Wizards]] ([[User talk:Pharaoh of the Wizards|talk]]) 01:25, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
}}
*'''Oppose for now on quality''' but '''support''' on notability once improvements are made [[User:Orbitalbuzzsaw|This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang]] ([[User talk:Orbitalbuzzsaw|talk]]) 01:52, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose on quality''' - the "Reactions" section is wholly empty, and the article needs improvement otherwise. I'd also recommend noting in the blurb that opposition parties boycotted the election. [[User:The Kip|<span style="color:#333f42;">'''The'''</span>]] [[User talk:The Kip|<span style="color:#b4975a;">'''Kip'''</span>]] 03:47, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support on notability''' once the article improves in quality. --[[User:MtPenguinMonster|MtPenguinMonster]] ([[User talk:MtPenguinMonster|talk]]) 05:39, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
* '''Support on notability''' - Even a small European country's election gets highlighted, so why create biasedness and don't show this? [[User:Shakya2007|Shakya2007]] ([[User talk:Shakya2007|talk]]) 10:56, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
*:Because the article is not of sufficient quality. [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 11:29, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
*:What Stephen said. I would add that absolutely no one has opposed this because of notability. All opposes are on quality. That's not bias; you should [[WP:AGF]]. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 19:49, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
* '''Support but wait for a while''' until the page gets more updated. Also I would propose a alternate blurb:
:'''''"Ruling [[Awami League]] led by [[Sheikh Hasina]] (pictured) wins a fifth consecutive term in <u>[[2024 Bangladeshi general election|a election]]</u> [[2022–2023 Bangladesh protests|boycotted by the opposition]]."'''''
:— [[User:Zeeshan Y Tariq|Zeeshan Y Tariq]] ([[User talk:Zeeshan Y Tariq|talk]]) 11:40, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
* '''Support once ready''' per above. Support blurb by Zeeshan Y Tariq, as this should normally be mentioned as well. - [[User:CDE34RFV|CDE34RFV]] ([[User talk:CDE34RFV|talk]]) 17:06, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
:Note it is the fourth consecutive term of  Sheikh Hasina since 2009 .She had one non consecutive term 1996-2001.[[User:Pharaoh of the Wizards|Pharaoh of the Wizards]] ([[User talk:Pharaoh of the Wizards|talk]]) 17:55, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
::Ah sorry I accidentally missed that fact. [[User:Zeeshan Y Tariq|Zeeshan Y Tariq]] ([[User talk:Zeeshan Y Tariq|talk]]) 07:17, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Qualified support''' - it looks like only the tables at [[2024 Bangladeshi general election#Candidates]] need to be addressed now. Given their length, it might be best to move them to a sub-article anyway. [[User:The ed17|Ed]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:The ed17|[talk]]]&nbsp;[[WP:OMT|[OMT]]]</sup> 00:56, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

==== (Posted) RD: Tim Steele ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Tim Steele (racing driver)
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://frontstretch.com/2024/01/07/3-time-arca-champion-tim-steele-dead-at-55/ Frontstretch]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = TheBlueSkyClub <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}}
ARCA racing legend who racked up 41 wins in his 15 years of competition. [[User:TheBlueSkyClub|TheBlueSkyClub]] ([[User talk:TheBlueSkyClub|talk]]) 22:59, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Weak oppose''' Found a single CN, and some minor copyediting is needed, but article as a whole is about adequate. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:The Kip|The Kip]] ([[User talk:The Kip#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/The Kip|contribs]]) 03:49, 8 January 2024 (UTC)</small>
*:That lone {cn} tag has been replaced with a footnote. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 08:10, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' A bit short but this is good to be posted under RD. [[User:Vida0007|Vida0007]] ([[User talk:Vida0007|talk]]) 12:43, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' article looks good to go. [[User:Alsoriano97|_-_Alsor]] ([[User talk:Alsoriano97|talk]]) 21:55, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
* '''Posted'''. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 23:40, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
== January 6 ==
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==== [Attention needed] RD: Richard Wallace (bishop) ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Richard Wallace (bishop)<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = https://www.thepress.co.nz/nz-news/350142477/bishop-te-waipounamu-right-rev-richard-wallace-dies-wairoa <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = yes<!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updaters      = Paora <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}} New Zealand Māori Anglican bishop. <!-- Additional comments go before here --> 13:47, 13 January 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->

* With only 307 words of prose, this wikibio seems a bit stubby, but it actually exceeds my 300-word threshold and thus long enough to qualify.  Footnotes can be found at expected spots. [https://copyvios.toolforge.org/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&oldid=1194257838&action=search&use_engine=1&use_links=1 Earwig found no problems]. So, this wikibio seems '''Ready for RD''' to me. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 22:09, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

==== RD: Burke Dales ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Burke Dales<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/burke-dales-death-calgary-stampeders-football-player-1.7076963 <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}} Canadian professional football player. <!-- Additional comments go before here --> 13:47, 13 January 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->

* A stubby wikibio (only 311 words of prose) lacking info in this professional sportsman's on-field performance. How did he become a 6-time all-star as listed in the infobox? --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 21:56, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

==== (Posted) RD: Roy Yorke Calne====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Roy Calne
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.telegraph.co.uk/obituaries/2024/01/07/roy-calne-transplant-pioneer-immunosuppression-obituary/ The Telegraph] [https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-67907549 BBC][https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/roy-calne-surgeon-led-europes-liver-transplant-died-106169893 ABC News]
| updated       = yes<!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Pharaoh of the Wizards <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = Whispyhistory <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->| nom cmt= Performed Europe's first liver transplant.[[User:Pharaoh of the Wizards|Pharaoh of the Wizards]] ([[User talk:Pharaoh of the Wizards|talk]]) 02:47, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
}}
*<s>'''Oppose''' Bio is fairly short and about half-awards, and more importantly, article is orange-tagged for an uncited section.</s> [[User:The Kip|<span style="color:#333f42;">'''The'''</span>]] [[User talk:The Kip|<span style="color:#b4975a;">'''Kip'''</span>]] 03:53, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
**'''Support''', article has been massively expanded and is now well-cited. Kudos to those who updated it. [[User:The Kip|<span style="color:#333f42;">'''The'''</span>]] [[User talk:The Kip|<span style="color:#b4975a;">'''Kip'''</span>]] 16:03, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' Also performed [https://www.theguardian.com/science/2024/jan/08/sir-roy-calne-obituary two ''world'' firsts.] [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 05:00, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Comment 2''' I've removed the uncited parts and am now '''wait'''ing on ''you'' to expand the lead to three good sentences. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 05:52, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Kudos indeed! [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 18:51, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' article looks good now. [[User:Alsoriano97|_-_Alsor]] ([[User talk:Alsoriano97|talk]]) 12:41, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
* Can an admin please  take a look now.[[User:Pharaoh of the Wizards|Pharaoh of the Wizards]] ([[User talk:Pharaoh of the Wizards|talk]]) 13:43, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
* '''Support''' This has enough details & references. [[User:Blaylockjam10|Blaylockjam10]] ([[User talk:Blaylockjam10|talk]]) 01:39, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted to RD'''. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082529">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T•</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">C</span>]]</sup> 04:27, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
{{abot}}

== January 5 ==
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==== RD: Nicholas Rescher ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Nicholas Rescher
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://dailynous.com/2024/01/05/nicholas-rescher-1928-2024/ Daily Nous]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Thriley <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}}
[[User:Thriley|Thriley]] ([[User talk:Thriley|talk]]) 12:13, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' German-American polymath, aged 95, no update in body. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 06:36, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Not ready''' Thirty-six hours later, the prose still doesn't tell us that he's dead. '''[[User:Schwede66|<span style="color: #000000;">Schwede</span>]][[User talk:Schwede66|<span style="color: #FF4500;">66</span>]]''' 18:55, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

====(Closed) Alaska Airlines Flight 1282====
{{atop
| status = {{NAC}}
| result = Good faith nomination but consensus to post is unlikely to develop. 🛧[[User:Midori No Sora|<span style="color:#32CCB9;text-shadow:0.2em 0.2em 0.2em #69CC77;">'''Midori No Sora♪'''</span>]]🛪 (<small>[[User talk:Midori No Sora|<span style="color:#0066cc;text-shadow:0.2em 0.1em 0.2em #ffcc00;"> '''☁＝☁＝✈'''</span>]]</small>) 07:56, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
}}

{{ITN candidate
| article       = Alaska Airlines Flight 1282
| image         = N704AL 2023-10-28 KBFI.jpg
| blurb         = 171 [[Boeing 737 Max 9]] aircraft have been grounded globally after '''[[Alaska Airlines Flight 1282]]''' suffered an uncontrolled decompression mid-flight due to an emergency door being blown out.
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb      = 171 [[Boeing 737 Max 9]] aircraft have been '''[[Boeing 737 Max groundings|grounded globally]]''' after [[Alaska Airlines Flight 1282]] suffered an uncontrolled decompression mid-flight due to an emergency door being blown out.
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-67905336 BBC] [https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/jan/06/alaska-airlines-grounds-boeing-737-max-9-planes-after-mid-air-window-blowout The Guardian] [https://apnews.com/article/alaska-airlines-portland-oregon-emergency-landing-b522e36ff228b5ea9a89ea13ee24f597 AP News]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Captain Galaxy <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator       = Reschultzed
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}}
Article is in good quality. I believe this to be notable as it affects a lot of flights but apologise if this isn't notable to others. [[User:Captain Galaxy|<span style="font-family:Impact;color: #ffb93c">Captain</span>]][[User talk:Captain Galaxy|<span style="font-family:Impact;color: #b06ad4">Galaxy</span>]] 18:38, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Good faith nom, but something like this with no fatalities, even if it resulted in a grounding, just isn't notable enough for ITN in my opinion. [[User:Iamstillqw3rty|'''<span style="color:#ff6ae4">q</span><span style="color:#dc79e9">w</span><span style="color:#b987ef">3</span><span style="color:#9696f4">r</span><span style="color:#73a4fa">t</span><span style="color:#50b3ff">y</span>''']] 19:34, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''', per above.  And let's face it, Boeing MAX planes being grounded for safety concerns isn't exactly a new thing.  Oh and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Boeing_737_MAX&diff=1194006174&oldid=1194004391 this].  [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 19:36, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

:'''Support''' - There's no such policy as WP:MINIMUMDEATHS. That isn't a reason to oppose. This has definitely been In The News [[User:PrecariousWorlds|PrecariousWorlds]] ([[User talk:PrecariousWorlds|talk]]) 20:08, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Given the history of the max and the impact this grounding is having, this news clearly meets the requirement for posting ITN. [[User:Kcmastrpc|Kcmastrpc]] ([[User talk:Kcmastrpc|talk]]) 20:18, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Given this is like the 3rd or 4th major problem with the Max, and that we typically do not post major product defects without a significant loss of life involved, this doesn't meet ITN significance. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 20:21, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' The in-flight incident isn't the significant thing here, the grounding is.  However, the flight article is ready, whereas the grounding article is not (although it's close). [[User:NorthernFalcon|NorthernFalcon]] ([[User talk:NorthernFalcon|talk]]) 22:09, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' a minor incident. Not ITN-worthy. [[User:Alsoriano97|_-_Alsor]] ([[User talk:Alsoriano97|talk]]) 22:25, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' I think it would be better to put the groundings as the target article; however, this incident is not covered enough in the Boeing 737 MAX groundings article, aside from a few bullet points in the Timeline section. This could be considered as ITN (at least that is how I see it) but I believe the grounding of the MAX 9s is the bigger news here. [[User:Vida0007|Vida0007]] ([[User talk:Vida0007|talk]]) 00:29, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

:'''Oppose''' a good faith nomination. This incident is too minor; even the plane itself didn't suffer a hull loss. [[User:Bremps|'''<span style="background:#000000; color:white; padding:2px;">Bremps</span>''']][[User talk:Bremps|'''<span style="color:grey;">...</span>''']] 00:53, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per most of the above. A serious safety incident, but not critical or catastrophic. Long term significance is unlikely to be high. -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 01:37, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Per above: Impact of grounding won't be very wide-spread, not notable for ITN.  ~~[[User:Maylingoed|<span style="color: orange">'''m'''A'''y'''L'''i'''N'''g'''O'''e'''E'''d'''</span>]]  ([[User talk:Maylingoed|Talk to me!]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Maylingoed |My contributions to Wikipedia📜]])  03:06, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per all above. Thankfully a fairly minor incident, unlikely to have long-term implications. [[User:The Kip|<span style="color:#333f42;">'''The'''</span>]] [[User talk:The Kip|<span style="color:#b4975a;">'''Kip'''</span>]] 03:53, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
{{abot}}

==== RD: Anthony J. Alvarado ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Anthony J. Alvarado
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/05/nyregion/anthony-j-alvarado-dead.html NY Times]
| updated       =
| nominator     = Thriley <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = Alansohn
}} [[New York City School Chancellor]] from 1983 to 1984. Death reported 5 January. [[User:Thriley|Thriley]] ([[User talk:Thriley|talk]]) 20:36, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

:'''Not Ready''' The article is sufficiently well-sourced, but should be cleaned up and split into sections. --[[User:MtPenguinMonster|MtPenguinMonster]] ([[User talk:MtPenguinMonster|talk]]) 07:13, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

==== (Posted RD) RD/Blurb: Mário Zagallo ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Mário Zagallo
| recent deaths = yes
| image         = Mário Zagallo 1974.jpg
| blurb         = Brazilian footballer, coordinator and manager '''[[Mário Zagallo]]''', who won a record four [[FIFA World Cup]]s, dies at the age of 92.
| altblurb      = Brazilian footballer and manager '''[[Mário Zagallo]]''' dies at the age of 92.
| sources       = [https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/67900776 BBC]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Pharaoh of the Wizards
<!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}} World Cup winner.[[User:Pharaoh of the Wizards|Pharaoh of the Wizards]] ([[User talk:Pharaoh of the Wizards|talk]]) 10:30, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

*'''Support blurb''' as he was definitely a football legend and one of the most influential people in the history of the sport. He won a record four World Cups both as a player and manager, he managed the Brazilian squad to win the 1970 World Cup, which is considered the most dominant team ever, and he played a decisive role in reviving Brazilian dominance in the 1990s and early 2000s. Furthermore, his death receives front-page coverage with extensive obituaries.--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 11:35, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support blurb once ready''' per Kiril. - [[User:CDE34RFV|CDE34RFV]] ([[User talk:CDE34RFV|talk]]) 11:40, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose blurb''' Article is a bit thin but big enough. Needs some work to get up to the required standard. Personally I don't see him as a big enough name for the blurb. [[User:Nigej|Nigej]] ([[User talk:Nigej|talk]]) 11:51, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''On the fence'''. I feel like if anyone led England to four world cup wins, they'd be blutbed before I'd even finished my apple crumble with custard. [[Alf Ramsey]] won one, and while he was pre-Wikipedia, I can't imagine we'd have not blurbed him. But maybe Brazil winning is more of a run of the mill thing, they're expected to win it. And don't want to open the floodgates too much. Quality needs sorting anyway. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 12:23, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose blurb''' This article is way too short if we're supposed to consider him one of the best players or managers in the world. I would expect a significant amount of legacy and the like to be discussed, in addition to a more lengthy bio. '''Oppose RD''' at this time as I see unsourced paragraphs in it. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 15:14, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose blurb''' The proposed blurb is vague/misleading and unsourced. A casual observer might assume that he "won" four World Cups as a player, however he only played in two of those wins. The article claims that the fourth "win" was as an "Assistant Manager", whatever that means. (If someone is a waterboy for a team that wins four world cups, does that count as "winning" four world cups?) Furthermore, the claim that he was assistant manager in 1994 is unsourced. The claim  that "winning four world cups" is a record is also unsourced. Separate to all of the above, I don't think this person is sufficiently significant to warrant a blurb. He's not Pelé or Maradona  or Madonna. [[User:Chrisclear|Chrisclear]] ([[User talk:Chrisclear|talk]]) 16:09, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
:* There are plenty of reliable sources saying that he won four World Cups. See [https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/67900776 this] as an example.--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 16:19, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
::* That source was not in the article when I read it before posting my comment above. And at the time of writing this comment, the 1994 "assistant manager" claim is still unsourced. [[User:Chrisclear|Chrisclear]] ([[User talk:Chrisclear|talk]]) 16:43, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
:::* If something is not in the article, it doesn’t mean it’s not true.--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 17:02, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
:::*:It may be true, but if you want this as a blurbed RD, the article better be of the quality needed to show that. When nominating an RD for a blurb, simple hand-waving "oh, this is important" without reflection in the article won't cut it. [[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 17:24, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

:'''Oppose blurb''' old man dies. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 16:23, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
:* Technically true [[User:Iamstillqw3rty|'''<span style="color:#ff6ae4">q</span><span style="color:#dc79e9">w</span><span style="color:#b987ef">3</span><span style="color:#9696f4">r</span><span style="color:#73a4fa">t</span><span style="color:#50b3ff">y</span>''']] 17:45, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
:*:True, but not ITN-worthy. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 00:53, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Not Ready for RD''' Significant gaps in referencing. '''Neutral on Blurb''' -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 20:43, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose blurb and RD on quality''' There's missing refs and the article itself is far too short for blurb-level quality. [[User:The Kip|<span style="color:#333f42;">'''The'''</span>]] [[User talk:The Kip|<span style="color:#b4975a;">'''Kip'''</span>]] 23:25, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
*:Also, '''oppose''' blurb on notability - it’d be one thing if he’d been manager for four WCs, and playing in four would be near-unprecedented, but it’s a little less special when it’s neither of those. Anyways, the sports figure blurb standards are high and his article doesn’t show that he meets them imo. [[User:The Kip|<span style="color:#333f42;">'''The'''</span>]] [[User talk:The Kip|<span style="color:#b4975a;">'''Kip'''</span>]] 05:51, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support blurb once ready''' This is one of the greatest legends in football's history. He won two WCs as a player, one WC as a coach and one WC as technical director. He managed the Brazilian squad to win the 1970 World Cup, which is considered the greatest football national team ever. Saying that he was only "old man dies" is very disrespectful.--[[User:Kacamata|<span style="color:#000000;font-family:Broadway;">Kacamata!</span>]] <sup>[[User_talk:Kacamata|<span style="#0015A8;font-family:Comic Sans MS;">Dimmi!!!</span>]]</sup> 23:58, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
*:It's an easy way to say that this person has long been retired, and his death does not have the significance of a normal non-death event which would be blurbed. A significant life is not a significant death, and ITN's blurbs should not be obituaries telling us about someone's life, which means that death blurbs should have the same qualifications as a normal blurbs: an article or section for itself, and having the same significance as a normal blurb. (And if you want to call my comment "very disrespectful" without replying to it, feel free to ping me.) [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 01:01, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Strong oppose blurb''' "Winning at sports" is not a sufficient justification for a death blurb. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 00:06, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support blurb when ready''' Once the article is up to shape I can support a blurb largely per Kiril but also he was an influential figure in his field. --[[User:TDKR Chicago 101|TDKR Chicago 101]] ([[User talk:TDKR Chicago 101|talk]]) 01:25, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
*:The article has no support for this claim. I am sure it is true, but the article better have a detailed section as to why he was influential. Right now, it's hand waving of this claim. [[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 01:57, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose blurb, support RD on quality''' Zagallo is not on that Pele/Maradona/Messi level as a player, nor is he at the Sir Alex Ferguson level as a manager.  To make a comparison with a different sport: Zagallo was not the Gretzky/Bobby Orr of football, nor was he the Scotty Bowman of hockey coaches, so he's not notable enough within his sport to merit a blurb.  Article quality appears to be good enough for RD, though. [[User:NorthernFalcon|NorthernFalcon]] ([[User talk:NorthernFalcon|talk]]) 04:54, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
*:Really? So let's look at the media's opinion shall we - '''Mário Zagallo, one of the greatest figures in the history of Brazilian football – obituary''' (The Telegraph). '''Brazilian World Cup-winning great Mario Zagallo dies aged 92'' (RTE). '''Mario Zagallo: Brazilian football legend dies aged 92''' (Sky Sports). '''Mario Zagallo was everything to Brazil – his record-setting involvement defined the national team'' (The Athletic). '''Brazil declares three-day mourning for football legend, Zagallo''' (PunchNG). He was a hugely influential in Brazlian and World football as a coach as many of the obituaries have stated. [[User:Davidstewartharvey|Davidstewartharvey]] ([[User talk:Davidstewartharvey|talk]]) 13:29, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
*:Zagallo is way bigger than Ferguson as a coach. He built the best national team ever and coached them to win a World Cup. Ferguson never ever dreamt about winning a World Cup. He pretty much only coached a single notable team in the Premier League. He also had two World Cup as player and one as technical director. How many people have 4 world cups in their careers? [[User:Kacamata|<span style="color:#000000;font-family:Broadway;">Kacamata!</span>]] <sup>[[User_talk:Kacamata|<span style="#0015A8;font-family:Comic Sans MS;">Dimmi!!!</span>]]</sup> 22:17, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

:'''Oppose blurb, support RD''' Not as important to blurb. I do support the RD though. [[User:Setarip|Setarip]] ([[User talk:Setarip|talk]]) 09:49, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose blurb, support RD'''  No reason why this requires a blurb. --[[User:Rsrikanth05|Rsrikanth05]] ([[User talk:Rsrikanth05|talk]]) 19:26, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
*{{@ITNA}} Is this article ready for RD posting? [[User:BangJan1999|BangJan1999]] 14:45, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
*:Er... no? It has orange tags for missing citations. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 18:03, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
*:And the "Playing career" section is really thin for such an important figure. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 18:06, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
*::{{Reply to|Amakuru|Muboshgu}} I've tried to make some much-needed corrections and edits throughout the whole page: does it look better now? [[User:Oltrepier|Oltrepier]] ([[User talk:Oltrepier|talk]]) 19:46, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
* '''Support blurb''' - particularly if a joint one with Beckenbaur - [[User:SchroCat|SchroCat]] ([[User talk:SchroCat|talk]]) 22:52, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
*:[[WP:SYNTH]]? [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 23:01, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
*::No. Not even remotely close. I think you need to read that page before trying to use it in a discussion. - [[User:SchroCat|SchroCat]] ([[User talk:SchroCat|talk]]) 06:55, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*:::I believe connecting two unrelated stories for a one-sentence blurb is synthesis of material per that section. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 17:44, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*:::This would literally be a textbook case of SYNTH. [[User:DarkSide830|DarkSide830]] ([[User talk:DarkSide830|talk]]) 19:51, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*::::Nonsense. It depends entirely on the wording of the blurb. - [[User:SchroCat|SchroCat]] ([[User talk:SchroCat|talk]]) 06:54, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
**{{Edited2}} I think we should be ready to go now, given the recent edits I and others made to the article. {{ping|Amakuru|Muboshgu}} what do you think about it? [[User:Oltrepier|Oltrepier]] ([[User talk:Oltrepier|talk]]) 12:17, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Old Man Dies, Support RD''' [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 12:30, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Admin comment''' I'd be happy to post this to RD once the date of birth is sourced. Please ping me when done. '''[[User:Schwede66|<span style="color: #000000;">Schwede</span>]][[User talk:Schwede66|<span style="color: #FF4500;">66</span>]]''' 18:49, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' (I cited the birthdate).  [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 19:23, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

==== (Posted) RD: Joseph Lelyveld ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Joseph Lelyveld
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/05/business/media/joseph-lelyveld-dead.html NY Times]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Thriley <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}} The executive editor of The New York Times from 1994 to 2001. Pulitzer Prize winner. [[User:Thriley|Thriley]] ([[User talk:Thriley|talk]]) 07:46, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Weak support''' Brief, but well-cited. Just about meets requirements. [[User:The Kip|<span style="color:#333f42;">'''The'''</span>]] [[User talk:The Kip|<span style="color:#b4975a;">'''Kip'''</span>]] 03:54, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' – '''[[User:Schwede66|<span style="color: #000000;">Schwede</span>]][[User talk:Schwede66|<span style="color: #FF4500;">66</span>]]''' 18:43, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

====(Closed) Battle of Laukkai ====
{{atop
| status = 
| result = Good faith nom but consensus to post is not likely to develop. -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 20:40, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
}}


{{ITN candidate
| article       = Battle of Laukkai
| sources       = [https://apnews.com/article/kokang-laukkaing-laukkai-cyberscam-shan-state-6d5c00eb75d8b6f5aa257c3cdfa68970 AP], [https://myanmar-now.org/en/news/mndaa-captures-military-command-centre-outside-laukkai-taking-full-control-of-city/ The Guardian]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = EmeraldRange <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| blurb         = Anti-junta forces capture [[Laukkai]], the capital of the [[Kokang Self-Administered Zone]] in northeastern Myanmar, during the [[Myanmar civil war (2021-present)|Myanmar civil war]].
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}} 
Recent development of the completed capture, new article I created (~27000 chars). I expect more updates/changes as the situation/aftermath comes out on reliable sources and gets confirmed. First time, so apologies if new articles don't meet ITN standards. [[User:EmeraldRange|'''<span style="color:#307F37;">EmeraldRange</span>''']] ([[User talk:EmeraldRange|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/EmeraldRange|contribs]]) 05:28, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

*'''Oppose''' Covered by ongoing [[User:Kevinishere15|Kevinishere15]] ([[User talk:Kevinishere15|talk]]) 06:16, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' good faith nom but already covered [[User:Orbitalbuzzsaw|This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang]] ([[User talk:Orbitalbuzzsaw|talk]]) 06:26, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

:'''Oppose''' This is already covered in ongoing. --[[User:MtPenguinMonster|MtPenguinMonster]] ([[User talk:MtPenguinMonster|talk]]) 07:00, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Oppose'''  covered by ongoing [[User:Setarip|Setarip]] ([[User talk:Setarip|talk]]) 10:19, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' ongoing [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 16:25, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
{{abot}}

==== RD: Derek Draper ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Derek Draper
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-67742004 BBC], [https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/jan/05/lobbyist-turned-psychotherapist-derek-draper-dies-aged-56-kate-garraway The Guardian]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = 147.192.103.42 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}} <!-- Additional comments go before here --> [[Special:Contributions/147.192.103.42|147.192.103.42]] ([[User talk:147.192.103.42|talk]]) 16:23, 5 January 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->
*'''Support''' One CN tag that needs attention, but overall the article is in good shape. -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 17:16, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Not ready''' By now, it has five CN tags. '''[[User:Schwede66|<span style="color: #000000;">Schwede</span>]][[User talk:Schwede66|<span style="color: #FF4500;">66</span>]]''' 18:24, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
* Five {cn} tags persist. Please add more REFs. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 06:00, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

==== (Posted) RD: David Soul ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = David Soul
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-67895679 BBC]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = TheCorriynial <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = Tails Wx , <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}} Article may need some editing, but David Soul was best known as Hutch on [[Starsky and Hutch]] on TV, and one of the rare actors with a Billboard number one with [[Don't Give Up on Us (song)|Don't Give Up on Us]], in 1977. [[User:TheCorriynial|TheCorriynial]] ([[User talk:TheCorriynial|talk]]) 15:37, 5 January 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->
*'''Not Ready''' Referencing is quite poor. <small>[I remember him well from the 1979 version of Salem's Lot which scared the bleep out of me. Kids scratching on windows... shudder.]</small> -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 16:15, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
*:<small>[[Don't Give Up on Us (song)|"Don't give up on his RD (he can still pull through)..."]] [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 16:22, 5 January 2024 (UTC)</small>
*'''Support''' quality is good [[User:Setarip|Setarip]] ([[User talk:Setarip|talk]]) 20:33, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''<s>Oppose</s>''' Filmreference.com is heavily used for citations, but {{section link|Wikipedia:WikiProject_Film/Resources%23Repository of resources}} says it is unreliable.—[[User:Bagumba|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba|talk]]) 10:42, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
*:Per PFHLai below.—[[User:Bagumba|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba|talk]]) 11:30, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
* '''Time for a re-review?''' Seems to be much better sourced now. Filmreference.com has disappeared, but there are still a few {cn} tags. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 06:26, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
*:{{re|PFHLai}} A couple were under "Bibliography", a section which seemed superfluous, as they weren't his publicatiuons, and the sources didn't seem to add anything to the existing inline footnotes.  I sourced the reamining ones in his filmography.  Marking '''Ready'''.—[[User:Bagumba|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba|talk]]) 11:30, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' article looks good. [[User:Alsoriano97|_-_Alsor]] ([[User talk:Alsoriano97|talk]]) 12:42, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''', well sourced. <small>But we all know the real star was [[Antonio Fargas|Huggy Bear]].</small> [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 12:49, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''', gone ahead and took care with the reference issues and added sources to unsourced statements and the filmography section, with thanks to PFHLai and Bagumba for adding sources to the remaining unsourced films he starred in and removing the (agreed) superfluous "Bibliography" section. [[Don't Give Up on Us (song)|I didn't give up on his RD]], at least! ~ [[User:Tails Wx|<span style="background:#FFDF00;color:#0000FF">'''Tails'''</span>]] [[User talk:Tails Wx|<span style="color: orange">'''Wx'''</span>]] (he/him, [[Aromantic|aro]][[Asexuality|ace]], [[Furry fandom|🐾]]) 13:28, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
::<small> Far from it. [[Don't Give Up (Peter Gabriel and Kate Bush song)|Running up that hill]], I'd say. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 13:31, 12 January 2024 (UTC) </small>
* '''Support''' - [[User:SchroCat|SchroCat]] ([[User talk:SchroCat|talk]]) 14:01, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
:{{@ITNA}} ~ [[User:Tails Wx|<span style="background:#FFDF00;color:#0000FF">'''Tails'''</span>]] [[User talk:Tails Wx|<span style="color: orange">'''Wx'''</span>]] (he/him, [[Aromantic|aro]][[Asexuality|ace]], [[Furry fandom|🐾]]) 23:59, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 00:01, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

====(Closed) Ongoing: 2024 Sea of Japan earthquake aftermath====
{{atop
| status = 
| result = Good faith nomination, however consensus to post to ongoing is unlikely to develop. -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 03:01, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
}}


{{ITN candidate
| article       = 2024 Sea of Japan earthquake
| image         = 
| blurb         = 
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = add
| ITNR          = no
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [https://www.channelnewsasia.com/asia/japan-earthquake-death-toll-missing-wajima-new-years-day-4026471 CNA] [https://apnews.com/article/earthquake-rescue-ishikawa-japan-disaster-missing-coastline-7063cef9950f59b9702a6fc8364ff363 AP]
| updated       = yes
| nominator     =  Dora the Axe-plorer<!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator       = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters      = 
| nom cmt= Earthquake aftermath is still receiving local and international coverage. Death toll is being updated at least once or twice a day; the same going on for the number of missing. Search and rescue for the very high number of people missing in proportion to confirmed deaths is still ongoing. People are still being rescued and death toll expected to rise further. '''''[[User:Dora the Axe-plorer|Dora the Axe-plorer]]''''' ([[User talk:Dora the Axe-plorer|explore]]) 11:32, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
}}
*'''Oppose''', the earthquake isn’t ongoing and there’ll always be a slow increase in casualties as the clean up happens. [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 12:07, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Weak support''' &ndash; The earthquake rolled off so suddenly, while the article is still actively being updated every day. A very reasonable ongoing request, though it would be an extremely short one. I expect the edits will have slowed down a lot in just a week from now. ~[[User:Maplestrip|<span style="color:#005080">Maplestrip/Mable</span>]] ([[User talk:Maplestrip|<span style="color:#700090">chat</span>]]) 12:09, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Barring extraordinary conditions, we usually do not have natural disasters or the long tail of recovery and restoration in ongoing. The Japan quake clearly was notable but it was far from a catastrophe that it could have been for a quake that size, and only a few hundred missing is not a scale that would be considered necessary to keep track of. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 12:39, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - the ongoing rescue efforts are quite significant with both the death toll and missing account rising by the day. The same logic can basically be applied with the 2023 Turkey-Syria earthquake. [[User:Moctiwiki|Moctiwiki]] ([[User talk:Moctiwiki|talk]]) 13:14, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
*:That earthquake had tolls in the 100,000s, where the Japan quake at most will come out to around 1000, most of those injured. Very significant difference. [[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 13:27, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' I don't think this is suitable for ongoing. The earthquake itself is not ongoing and daily updates about the death toll aren't enough. Maybe if this was one of the major earthquakes, like Turkey-Syria last year or Japan in 2011, it would be on a different level. [[User:Johndavies837|Johndavies837]] ([[User talk:Johndavies837|talk]]) 13:29, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' The earthquake isn't ongoing and although it might be significant, it is not usual for one to post such in Ongoing. [[User:Editor 5426387|Editor 5426387]] ([[User talk:Editor 5426387|talk]]) 14:38, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per above. An item shouldn't be ongoing if it isn't currently occurring. And yes, the aftermath is, but the aftermath of any event comes after it ends. [[User:DarkSide830|DarkSide830]] ([[User talk:DarkSide830|talk]]) 22:01, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per all above. [[User:Alsoriano97|_-_Alsor]] ([[User talk:Alsoriano97|talk]]) 22:22, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

:'''Oppose''' per above [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 23:27, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' The earthquake was already posted. --[[User:MtPenguinMonster|MtPenguinMonster]] ([[User talk:MtPenguinMonster|talk]]) 02:13, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
{{abot}}
== January 4 ==
{{cot|[[Portal:Current events/2024 January 4]]}}
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==== RD: Christian Oliver ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Christian Oliver
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.theguardian.com/film/2024/jan/05/christian-oliver-dies-caribbean-plane-crash The Guardian], [https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/christian-oliver-dead-plane-crash-caribbean-1235780209/ The Hollywood Reporter]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = 240D:1A:4B5:2800:DCA8:D015:810F:1125 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}} German-born actor and aviation accident victim. [[Special:Contributions/240D:1A:4B5:2800:DCA8:D015:810F:1125|240D:1A:4B5:2800:DCA8:D015:810F:1125]] ([[User talk:240D:1A:4B5:2800:DCA8:D015:810F:1125|talk]]) 14:43, 8 January 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->

:'''Oppose ''' Poorly sourced stub. '''[[User:Schwede66|<span style="color: #000000;">Schwede</span>]][[User talk:Schwede66|<span style="color: #FF4500;">66</span>]]''' 18:21, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

==== (Posted) RD: Glynis Johns ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Glynis Johns
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://abc7.com/glynis-johns-actress-dies-mary-poppins/14274026/ ABC7]
| updated       = yes
| nominator     = Connormah <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = Connormah
}} Article seems in good shape. [[User:Connormah|Connormah]] ([[User talk:Connormah|talk]]) 19:26, 4 January 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->

:'''Strong Support''' very good article. [[User:Setarip|Setarip]] ([[User talk:Setarip|talk]]) 20:16, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Procedural support''' meets criteria [[User:Orbitalbuzzsaw|This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang]] ([[User talk:Orbitalbuzzsaw|talk]]) 21:39, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Meets the criteria. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.5em 0.5em 0.6em;"> '''[[User:The C of E|<span style="color:red;">The C of E </span><span style="color:blue;"> God Save the King!</span>]]''' ([[User talk:The C of E|<span style="color:darkblue;">talk</span>]])</span> 06:02, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
* [[Glynis Johns#Honours and awards]] is unsourced. Please add more REFs. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 13:54, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
:* I have added citations for all the entries in this table. [[User:Aoba47|Aoba47]] ([[User talk:Aoba47|talk]]) 01:51, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Up to standard and well-written too. [[User:Nigej|Nigej]] ([[User talk:Nigej|talk]]) 10:14, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - meets our standards [[User:Spiderone|<span style="color: #996600">Spiderone</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Spiderone|<span style="color:brown">(Talk to Spider)</span>]]</sup> 10:35, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' {{section link|Glynis_Johns#Filmography_and_discography}} has no citations, but a cursory random sample shows the items sourced in the page's earlier prose.  While the section is a [[WP:SS|summary]] of the main article [[Glynis Johns filmography and discography]], [[WP:CIRCULAR]] says: {{tq|Do not use articles from Wikipedia (whether English Wikipedia or Wikipedias in other languages) as sources...Content from a Wikipedia article is not considered reliable unless it is backed up by citing reliable sources. Confirm that these sources support the content, then use them directly|q=yes}} I have no opinion on posting this or not.—[[User:Bagumba|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba|talk]]) 13:53, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
*:Usually filmography is moved to a standalone article if there are no references. But here is another case — the article about filmography is well referenced.
*:Two solutions — either delete films in section  altogether and just leave reference to other article or insert good looking tables from filmography article to main article. [[User:Кирилл С1|Kirill C1]] ([[User talk:Кирилл С1|talk]]) 20:46, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''': Article meets standards. Ms. Johns had a long and distinguished career on stage and screen, crossing several generations. [[User:Just Another Cringy Username|Just Another Cringy Username]] ([[User talk:Just Another Cringy Username|talk]]) 20:04, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Page is up to standard for RD. [[User:Ollieisanerd|<span style="font-weight: bold; background-color: #007FFF; color: #98FB98;">Ollieisanerd</span>]] ([[User talk:Ollieisanerd|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ollieisanerd|contribs]]) 20:13, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' per consensus above that the article is good enough. [[User:The ed17|Ed]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:The ed17|[talk]]]&nbsp;[[WP:OMT|[OMT]]]</sup> 01:33, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

==== (Closed) Jeffrey Epstein's associates list ====
{{atop|Consensus to post is unlikely to develop.--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 10:04, 4 January 2024 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate|article=Jeffrey Epstein's associates list|image=Jeffrey Epstein mug shot.jpg|blurb='''[[Jeffrey Epstein's associates list|Hundreds of pages of unsealed documents]]''' containing the names of 187 people connected to sex-trafficker [[Jeffrey Epstein]] (pictured) are revealed.|sources=[https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/jan/03/jeffrey-epstein-list-names-released ''The Guardian''] - [https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/jeffrey-epstein-names-unsealed-latest-news-b2472177.html ''The Independent''] - [https://elpais.com/internacional/2024-01-04/la-lista-de-epstein-la-jueza-publica-documentos-con-los-nombres-de-personas-citadas-en-el-caso.html ''El Pais''] - [https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/03/business/jeffrey-epstein-documents-list-names/index.html CNN] - [https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/03/nyregion/jeffrey-epstein-court-documents.html NYT]|nominator=Knightoftheswords281|updaters=Jeraxmoira, Wow, Tanaya001, EphemeralPerpetuals, ARandomName123|creator=Vinicius mad|nom cmt=Major news across the world (with even some international coverage being made as seen in the sources section above). Let me remind y'all that this '''has verifiably occurred''' - documents were published that included the names of individuals - [[WP:BLP]] only applies in accusing anyone of anything for a supposed crime that they didn't commit, which hasn't happened yet.|sign=— [[User:Knightoftheswords281|<span style="background:black; color:white; padding:2px;">'''Knightof'''</span>]][[User talk:Knightoftheswords281|<span style="background:#70c6ff; color:black; padding:2px;">'''theswords'''</span>]] 01:57, 4 January 2024 (UTC)}}

*'''Wait, Leaning Support''', Event is recent and there hasn't been any updates/reactions and I would wait until there are further responses globally before posting. Article could also be expanded on as it's only start-class, I would also really like to see this article expanded on with reactions and developments from people related to this event.  ~~[[User:Maylingoed|<span style="color: orange">'''m'''A'''y'''L'''i'''N'''g'''O'''e'''E'''d'''</span>]]  ([[User talk:Maylingoed|Talk to me!]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Maylingoed |My contributions to Wikipedia📜]])  02:13, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Strong Oppose''' As the sources on this have clearly stated, this is only people that have had some type of connection to Epstein, and there are some that are not being investigated with any part of Epstein's crimes. While we can document the list, we should be aware that there's going to be a flurry of news of people on this list trying to distance themselves from it, and thus we should keep BLPCRIME in mind, since no one yet has been convicted or arrested on these charges. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 02:27, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
*:What charges? All we're saying is [[Michael Jackson]] is somewhat connected to the guy. That's not illegal. It's also not that important. Certainly ''could'' get "messy", among the living. Maybe living royalty and presidents, too, but they're used to it. Tough call. '''Strong Neutral'''. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 02:43, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
*::It's not about whether any of these people have done illegal actions, or maybe none are just connected to Epstein, but it is about that as an encyclopedia, we should not engage in gossipmongering particularly when there may be potential crimes involved. Again, we can document the list, but we should not be so over the moon about it as to make it an ITN item, because that feeds this gossipmongering aspect. [[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 02:51, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
*:::Fair enough. For the record, I in no way meant to suggest Michael Jackson was ever connected to underage girls. Not through Epstein or anyone. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 02:58, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per Masem, BLPCRIME, and BLPGOSSIP. Some people seem to think that this is a list of people who Epstein connected with underage girls. It is not. The incorrect implication is a major BLP issue. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 02:44, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Strong Oppose''' good faith nom per Masem and Muboshgu. There are huge BLP issues here. -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 02:52, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Strong oppose''' What they said. It's (ultimately) a bunch of documents showing that a dead criminal knew high-profile people. It passes GNG based on immense coverage, but it's only news for gossip, not actual news. (And FWIW, our article is not of a standard for MP inclusion by a long shot) [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 03:13, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' on BLP concerns, and also on article quality. [[User:Natg 19|Natg 19]] ([[User talk:Natg 19|talk]]) 04:04, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per above. [[User:The Kip|<span style="color:#333f42;">'''The'''</span>]] [[User talk:The Kip|<span style="color:#b4975a;">'''Kip'''</span>]] 05:18, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Wait, tending towards support''', per Maylingoed. Given the high-profile nature of some of the names, I think we should wait a bit to expand the article further. --[[User:Rsrikanth05|Rsrikanth05]] ([[User talk:Rsrikanth05|talk]]) 05:33, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Strong Oppose''' This is not a client list or anything even close to that. The fact that a rich financier (who is now one of the most notorious criminals) had contact with high-profile people at some point in the past is not notable in itself or evidence of a link to Epstein's sex crimes. The documents also include hearsay, most of the accusations have been known for years and no one has been charged. Not suitable for ITN and I'm not even sure if it should have its own article, it should be merged with Epstein's article. [[User:Johndavies837|Johndavies837]] ([[User talk:Johndavies837|talk]]) 05:44, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' for concerns about BLP and GOSSIP; willing to reconsider if something more notable occures on the back of it though [[User:Orbitalbuzzsaw|This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang]] ([[User talk:Orbitalbuzzsaw|talk]]) 08:08, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
{{abot}}
== January 3 ==
{{cot|[[Portal:Current events/2024 January 3]]}}
{{Portal:Current events/2024 January 3}}
{{cob}}
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==== (Posted) RD: J. P. S. Uberoi ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = J. P. S. Uberoi
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/delhi/prof-jps-uberoi-instrumental-in-establishing-the-sociology-discipline-in-india-dies-at-90-9094351/ The Indian Express]
| updated       = yes
| nominator     = Ktin <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = Apandeyhp89, Deleuzeserres, Ktin
}} Indian sociologist. <s>Article requires some small set of updates. Should be ready soon.</s> Basic edits done. Meets hygiene expectations. [[User:Ktin|Ktin]] ([[User talk:Ktin|talk]]) 18:22, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 00:17, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

==== (Posted) 2024 PDC World Darts Championship ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = 2024 PDC World Darts Championship
| image         = File:Luke Humphries Darts Actueel 2023.jpg
| blurb         = In [[darts]], [[Luke Humphries]] ''(pictured)'' wins '''[[2024 PDC World Darts Championship|the PDC World Championship]]'''.
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR          = yes
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/darts/67875251 BBC] [https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2024/jan/03/luke-humphries-luke-littler-pdc-world-darts-championship-final The Guardian]
| updated       = yes
| nominator     = OZOO <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator       = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters      = 
}} ITNR article, updated to include final information. [[User:OZOO|OZOO]] [[User talk:OZOO|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/OZOO|(c)]] 22:50, 3 January 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->
*'''Conditional Support''' (once orange tags are removed) -- it appears this is posted every year; some sections may need additional refs [[User:Kcmastrpc|Kcmastrpc]] ([[User talk:Kcmastrpc|talk]]) 22:59, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
*:{{tq|it appears this is posted every year...|q=yes}} @[[User:Kcmastrpc|Kcmastrpc]]: It's an [[WP:ITNR]] item, so posting is a given once consensus is that [[WP:ITNQUALITY|quality is met]]. —[[User:Bagumba|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba|talk]]) 03:53, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose on quality''' apart from the citation needed tags listed on there, the semi-final and particularly the final sections need more sources to verify all content. [[User:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b>]][[User talk:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#000000">2302</b>]] ([[User talk:Joseph2302|talk]]) 08:52, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
:* Looks good enough now to '''support'''. [[User:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b>]][[User talk:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#000000">2302</b>]] ([[User talk:Joseph2302|talk]]) 10:07, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. Quality now seems fine - there are referenced prose summaries of every round, including three paragraphs on the final. The text is jargon-heavy but I think it's good enough to post. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 15:00, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose on quality and principle''' per above on point 1 but also I really don't think ''darts'' is a sport with enough notability for front page [[User:Orbitalbuzzsaw|This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang]] ([[User talk:Orbitalbuzzsaw|talk]]) 21:57, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
:* It's [[WP:ITNR]], so front page notability is not in question. [[User:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b>]][[User talk:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#000000">2302</b>]] ([[User talk:Joseph2302|talk]]) 10:07, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
::{{replyto|Orbitalbuzzsaw}} If you want darts off [[WP:ITNR]], take it to [[WT:ITN]], not here. [[User:BangJan1999|BangJan1999]] 17:26, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Quality is there and it is covered by [[WP:ITNR]]. Arguments about whether darts articles are suitable is a discussion for another place. [[User:Nigej|Nigej]] ([[User talk:Nigej|talk]]) 09:52, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 10:14, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' mentioned on Errors also, but the image of Humphries is low quality. Is there a different picture of him that we can use? Or should we just use a different picture for ITN? [[User:Natg 19|Natg 19]] ([[User talk:Natg 19|talk]]) 20:42, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

====(Closed) Tetris broken ====
{{atop |status={{NAC}} |reason=[[WP:SNOW]], consensus will clearly not develop to post. [[User:The Kip|<span style="color:#333f42;">'''The'''</span>]] [[User talk:The Kip|<span style="color:#b4975a;">'''Kip'''</span>]] 21:37, 3 January 2024 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Tetris
| article2      = Willis Gibson
| image         = Typical Tetris Game.svg<!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = The videogame '''[[Tetris]]''' ''(pictured)'' is broken by a [[Willis Gibson|human]] for the first time, when they reached level 157
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-67871775 BBC], [https://www.ign.com/articles/impossible-tetris-nes-beaten-for-the-first-time-in-34-years-by-13-year-old-phenom IGN], [https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/13-year-old-boy-becomes-first-person-beat-original-tetris-rcna132048 NBC], [https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/03/arts/tetris-beat-blue-scuti.html NYT]
| updated       = yes <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Andrew Davidson <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator       = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters      =  Pablo Mayrgundter, DigitalIceAge, 3df <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}}
:I can't see an update for this yet and I suppose some authentication may be required.  But the mainstream media seem to be taking it seriously. [[user:Andrew Davidson|Andrew]]🐉([[user talk:Andrew Davidson|talk]]) 18:57, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
:Updates have been made to the NES article and I've added these details.  This seems to be the version used for the [[Classic Tetris World Championship]] and so has some credence as a recognised format. [[user:Andrew Davidson|Andrew]]🐉([[user talk:Andrew Davidson|talk]]) 21:29, 3 January 2024 (UTC) 
*'''Oppose''', I don't think it's really ITN worthy, especially because it is only the NES version of tetris. Also, article doesn't appear to have this in it. [[User:Vetrenarisisum|Vetrenarisisum]] ([[User talk:Vetrenarisisum|talk]]) 19:18, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' - This specifically relates to [[Tetris (NES video game)|''Tetris'' (NES video game)]] and not to ''[[Tetris]]'' as a whole. This seems to be receiving widespread media attention, although saying it was "broken for the first time" is an unusual way to word the blurb. No opinion on whether or not this is ITN worthy. Probably makes for a better video game related ITN blurb than whatever industry backpatting awards usually show up.  [[User:HumanBodyPiloter5|HumanBodyPiloter5]] ([[User talk:HumanBodyPiloter5|talk]]) 19:19, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[[User:HumanBodyPiloter5|HumanBodyPiloter5]] ([[User talk:HumanBodyPiloter5|talk]]) 19:22, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
:* As I understand it, there's no in-game endpoint and so the achievement is pushing the game to the point that the software can't cope any more.  The feat seems fairly well understood but has only been achieved by AI previously. [[user:Andrew Davidson|Andrew]]🐉([[user talk:Andrew Davidson|talk]]) 19:28, 3 January 2024 (UTC)   
<del> *'''Wait until article is updated, Leaning Support''': This story will likely further develop, Article needs to be updated to accommodate this event. This is notable as Tetris is a very popular game worldwide, not to mention that it took 34 years until someone has beaten it.  ~~[[User:Maylingoed|<span style="color: orange">'''m'''A'''y'''L'''i'''N'''g'''O'''e'''E'''d'''</span>]]  ([[User talk:Maylingoed|Talk to me!]]) </del>
*'''Oppose''': Per other comments; This is only for the NES edition and there is not much merit to "beating the game" because of a technical limitation of the NES. Not notable given additional context.  ~~[[User:Maylingoed|<span style="color: orange">'''m'''A'''y'''L'''i'''N'''g'''O'''e'''E'''d'''</span>]]  ([[User talk:Maylingoed|Talk to me!]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Maylingoed |My contributions to Wikipedia📜]])  20:22, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

*'''Oppose''' More trivia than anything else. [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#947E00">Chaotıċ<span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:30deg;color:indigo">Enby</span></span>]]<span style="font-size:85%">([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|c]])</span> 19:23, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per both Enby and Vetrenarisisum. [[User:DarkSide830|DarkSide830]] ([[User talk:DarkSide830|talk]]) 19:41, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Suggestions''' "Videogame" should be two words, "broken" should be "beaten", "they" should be "he", "reached" should be "reaches" and the picture should be an NES screenshot. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 19:45, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' absolutely not. [[User:Natg 19|Natg 19]] ([[User talk:Natg 19|talk]]) 19:48, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per above. It was just one version of Tetris, and more to do with a coding glitch than anything else. I think the media are kind of getting the wrong end of the stick here. Not ITN-worthy. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 20:08, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' This seems to be moreso a technical limitation of the [[8-bit]] NES. 20:10, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' while I'd want to see more video game stories on the main page, thus is just a technicality due to limitations of the NES hardware as others have pointed out. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 21:10, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Tetris is my favorite game, but this is way too trivial for ITN. (And as others have said, is only relevant to one version and due to a glitch.) [[User:Funcrunch|Funcrunch]] ([[User talk:Funcrunch|talk]]) 21:20, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' A teenager "beating" a 40 year old game by using a technical limitation is not news [[User:Iamstillqw3rty|'''<span style="color:#ff6ae4">q</span><span style="color:#dc79e9">w</span><span style="color:#b987ef">3</span><span style="color:#9696f4">r</span><span style="color:#73a4fa">t</span><span style="color:#50b3ff">y</span>''']] 21:22, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
:* The fact that a teenager is playing a 40-year-old game seems remarkable in itself.  How many other classics have such a timeless following? [[user:Andrew Davidson|Andrew]]🐉([[user talk:Andrew Davidson|talk]]) 21:32, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
{{abot}}

==== (Posted) Kerman bombings ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Kerman bombings<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = 103 people are killed in '''[[Kerman bombings|bombings]]''' in Kerman, Iran, during a ceremony commemorating the assassination of [[Qasem Soleimani]].<!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb      = Over 103 people are killed and dozens more injured in '''[[Kerman bombings|bombings]]''' in Kerman, Iran, during a ceremony commemorating the assassination of [[Qasem Soleimani]].
| altblurb2     = In Iran, [[Islamic State]] kill 84 people in a '''[[Kerman bombings|double bombing]]''' in [[Kerman]].
| sources       = [https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67872281 BBC] <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = yes <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Chaotic Enby <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator       = Homerethegreat <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}}
Major bombing, believed to be a terrorist attack. Current death count of <s>73</s> 103, at least 150 injured. Improvements to the blurb are welcome. <!-- Additional comments go before here --> [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#947E00">Chaotıċ<span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:30deg;color:indigo">Enby</span></span>]]<span style="font-size:85%">([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|c]])</span> 13:32, 3 January 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->
*'''Support''' upon article expansion. One of the deadliest attacks in Iran in decades. [[Special:Contributions/69.156.166.201|69.156.166.201]] ([[User talk:69.156.166.201|talk]]) 13:57, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Very notable due to large casualties, unusual for Iran and one of the most deadly attacks in Iran in recent times. [[User:Editor 5426387|Editor 5426387]] ([[User talk:Editor 5426387|talk]]) 14:14, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. Article could be expanded slightly more but apart from that, it's very notable due to the high death toll. 🛧[[User:Midori No Sora|<span style="color:#32CCB9;text-shadow:0.2em 0.2em 0.2em #69CC77;">'''Midori No Sora♪'''</span>]]🛪 (<small>[[User talk:Midori No Sora|<span style="color:#0066cc;text-shadow:0.2em 0.1em 0.2em #ffcc00;"> '''☁＝☁＝✈'''</span>]]</small>) 14:26, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''', Very notable event, deadly bombing that happened in Iran. Could wait a bit longer before posting to monitor any recent developments.  ~~[[User:Maylingoed|<span style="color: orange">'''m'''A'''y'''L'''i'''N'''g'''O'''e'''E'''d'''</span>]]  ([[User talk:Maylingoed|Talk to me!]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Maylingoed |My contributions to Wikipedia📜]])  14:31, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - Big attack on Iran. Seems ready for posting.[[User:BabbaQ|BabbaQ]] ([[User talk:BabbaQ|talk]]) 14:38, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Strong Support''' But it says at least 103 people killed, and the blurb says 73. Might have to wait for correct casualties or change blurb. [[User:Setarip|Setarip]] ([[User talk:Setarip|talk]]) 14:45, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
:: Thanks, updated! [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#947E00">Chaotıċ<span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:30deg;color:indigo">Enby</span></span>]]<span style="font-size:85%">([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|c]])</span> 14:48, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
:• '''Support''' It is a notable event but wait until it is clear whether this is a terrorist attack or not , even though deputy governor said so , wait for ministry of interior to say so. [[User:Harvici|Harvici]] 14:45, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' but suggest waiting a few more hours for details to emerge and settle down before posting. Article is sufficiently sourced.<span id="Masem:1704294112350:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> —&nbsp;[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 15:01, 3 January 2024 (UTC)</span>
	
:'''Support''' Due to impact, update hook when motives are known. [[User:Bremps|'''<span style="background:#000000; color:white; padding:2px;">Bremps</span>''']][[User talk:Bremps|'''<span style="color:grey;">...</span>''']] 15:03, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per above [[user:HistoryTheorist|<span style="font-family:Courier;color:#2F7E98">❤History</span>]][[User talk:HistoryTheorist|<span style="font-family:Courier;color:lightpurple">Theorist❤</span>]] 15:09, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Wait/Support''' Article is still coalescing information. I assume it'll be ready in a few hours. [[User:Kcmastrpc|Kcmastrpc]] ([[User talk:Kcmastrpc|talk]]) 15:12, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
* {{posted}}. [[User:El_C|El_C]] 15:17, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
** You forgot a period at the end. [[User:QueensanditsCrazy|QueensanditsCrazy]] ([[User talk:QueensanditsCrazy|talk]]) 15:36, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
*:Not sure how notable or true this is but i am seeing news articles suggesting this was done by Israel, so the question will arise over whether this deserves its own blurb or should just be treated as part of the Israel Hamas war ongoing. Not sure if I have a position on the matter, and I certainly don't care to contribute to a discussion on it, other than to bring it to y'all's attention. [[User:QueensanditsCrazy|QueensanditsCrazy]] ([[User talk:QueensanditsCrazy|talk]]) 15:38, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
*::That has no bearing on it being worthy of a blurb. [[User:El_C|El_C]] 15:43, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
*:Death count increased to 211+ [https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/middle-east/iran-eastern-states/1704283321-iranian-media-reports-explosion-near-soleimani-s-tomb-on-anniversary-of-irgc-commander-s-death (source)] [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#947E00">Chaotıċ<span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:30deg;color:indigo">Enby</span></span>]]<span style="font-size:85%">([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|c]])</span> 19:36, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
*::{{ping|Chaotic Enby}} i24 is not a good enough source to base that claim on—even hours later now, gold-standard news outlets are still reporting that there were "at least 103". [[User:The ed17|Ed]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:The ed17|[talk]]]&nbsp;[[WP:OMT|[OMT]]]</sup> 22:37, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
*Probably worth wikilinking "assassination" to [[Assassination of Qasem Soleimani]], it's an impressive-looking article. ~[[User:Maplestrip|<span style="color:#005080">Maplestrip/Mable</span>]] ([[User talk:Maplestrip|<span style="color:#700090">chat</span>]]) 08:47, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
*:Agree with this. [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#947E00">Chaotıċ<span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:30deg;color:indigo">Enby</span></span>]]<span style="font-size:85%">([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|c]])</span> 20:28, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
*::Added [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 23:08, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' Daesh has claimed responsibility and nobody's disputed it; should we add that to the blurb? [[User:The Kip|<span style="color:#333f42;">'''The'''</span>]] [[User talk:The Kip|<span style="color:#b4975a;">'''Kip'''</span>]] 22:56, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
::Yes, that's very important. I've written alt2 to include that. Mentioning the ceremony takes up a lot of space & the fact that the bombings were committed by IS is very important, especially because there has been a lot of speculation as well as false accusations. [[User:X2023X|X2023X]] ([[User talk:X2023X|talk]]) 00:16, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
:::ISIS mention {{done}}. [[User:El_C|El_C]] 09:02, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
::::Just a suggestion - the blurb now reads as if Daesh claiming responsibility is the story, rather than the bombings themselves. My personal suggestion would be something like:
::::: "In Iran, at least 84 people are killed by an [[Islamic State]] '''[[Kerman bombings|bombing]]''' during a ceremony commemorating the [[Assassination of Qasem Soleimani|assassination]] of [[Qasem Soleimani]]." 
::::[[User:The Kip|<span style="color:#333f42;">'''The'''</span>]] [[User talk:The Kip|<span style="color:#b4975a;">'''Kip'''</span>]] 09:42, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
:::::Agreed and {{done}}. [[User:El_C|El_C]] 10:19, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
== January 2 ==
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==== (Posted) RD: Chris Karrer ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Chris Karrer
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.br.de/nachrichten/kultur/chris-karrer-ist-gestorben-gruendungsmitglied-von-amon-dueuel,U0JMkt3 BR] (in German)
| updated       = yes
| nominator     = Gerda Arendt
| updaters      = Gerda Arendt
}} Pioneer of German (Kraut)rock and world music, playing guitar, violin, saxophone, oud ... - Filmpreis with band [[Amon Düül II|Anom Düül II]]. Was a rather stubby article, that's why it took so long. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 18:20, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

: COMMENT I appreciate your work on the article, but oppose its inclusion for now. I agree that the general criteria for inclusion of a recent death are met, but have some concerns about quality. Below, I will split those into separate comments to for a simpler structure. [[User:FortunateSons|FortunateSons]] ([[User talk:FortunateSons|talk]]) 18:35, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
::1. The use of Strawberry Bricks as source isn’t great. Is that really a [[WP:RS]]? [[User:FortunateSons|FortunateSons]] ([[User talk:FortunateSons|talk]]) 18:36, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
::2. The fifth footnote links to a 24 page pdf. Is there way to source it in way that allows for easier verification? [[User:FortunateSons|FortunateSons]] ([[User talk:FortunateSons|talk]]) 18:39, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
::3. I am unsure about some other footnotes whether or not they comply with [[WP:RS]], could you provide some context for the following sources:  progarchives.com,  rocktimes.com,  materiali-sonori.myshopify.com. Particularly the last one isn’t great, if you ask me? [[User:FortunateSons|FortunateSons]] ([[User talk:FortunateSons|talk]]) 18:45, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
::4. this is probably subjective, but 5 paragraphs of text is still pretty short. Is there other significant information with which the article can be extended, or is this all that can reliably sourced? [[User:FortunateSons|FortunateSons]] ([[User talk:FortunateSons|talk]]) 18:48, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
::: My time is limited, my knowledge of the kind of music very basic which includes knowledge about sources. I believe that he should appear, and appreciate all help.
:::1. The Strawberry was for a while the ''only'' source for his death, and I try to avoid to remove the work of others.
:::2. I'll check that now.
:::3. I keep being surprised about the need to source recordings, - if they exist, it should hardly mater which source says so. 
::: 4. This is subjective, - back to intro. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 19:50, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
::::I removed 1. and added 3. to the talk page. I think everything else is at least good enough for ITN, thank you for the good work! [[User:FortunateSons|FortunateSons]] ([[User talk:FortunateSons|talk]]) 20:55, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
::: The page number is 14. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 19:56, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
::::Thank you! [[User:FortunateSons|FortunateSons]] ([[User talk:FortunateSons|talk]]) 20:54, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
::: The article could be made longer by including more from the rather detailed one about his band, but is that what we'd want? --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 20:10, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
::::You’re right, it would probably be mostly filler. If you find something, that would be great, but otherwise probably fine as is [[User:FortunateSons|FortunateSons]] ([[User talk:FortunateSons|talk]]) 20:53, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''support!''' Per discussion above. [[User:FortunateSons|FortunateSons]] ([[User talk:FortunateSons|talk]]) 20:56, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Support''' This has enough details & references. [[User:Blaylockjam10|Blaylockjam10]] ([[User talk:Blaylockjam10|talk]]) 19:40, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 22:18, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

==== (Posted) RD: Matisyahu Salomon ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Matisyahu Salomon
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = https://hamodia.com/2024/01/02/bde-harav-matisyahu-chaim-salomon/ https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/general/2250855/baruch-dayan-haemes-bmg-mashgiach-rav-mattisyahu-salomon-ztl.html
| updated       = yes
| nominator     = StonyBrook <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = Ruttgc49, Proud Novice, Mohamad Darilin, Arminden, Rabbi Barry, Steamboat2020
}} One of the world's foremost ''[[mashgiach ruchani]]s'' operating out of the largest yeshiva in the western hemisphere. '''[[User:StonyBrook|<span style="color: #617aa3">Stony</span><span style="color: darkblue;">Brook</span>]]''' <sub>[[User talk:StonyBrook|''babble'']]</sub> 22:39, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

:'''Support''' Citations look good and article seems balanced [[Special:Contributions/68.192.102.58|68.192.102.58]] ([[User talk:68.192.102.58|talk]]) 00:05, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Comment:''' 2 more CN tags. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082529">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T•</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">C</span>]]</sup> 04:31, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
*:{{tick}} Added references and removed an unsourced sentence. '''[[User:StonyBrook|<span style="color: #617aa3">Stony</span><span style="color: darkblue;">Brook</span>]]''' <sub>[[User talk:StonyBrook|''babble'']]</sub> 09:15, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:The ed17|Ed]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:The ed17|[talk]]]&nbsp;[[WP:OMT|[OMT]]]</sup> 01:39, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

==== (Closed) Claudine Gay ====
{{atop|The consensus to post is unlikely to develop. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 18:46, 3 January 2024 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Claudine Gay
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = '''[[Claudine Gay]]''', the first [[African-American|black]] female [[President of Harvard University]] resigns amid allegations of anti-semitism and plagiarism.
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = https://apnews.com/article/harvard-president-plagiarism-claudine-gay-3b048da1f2ee17b5edec3680b5828e8f
| updated       = yes
| nominator     = 24.125.98.89 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator       = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters      = Alden Loveshade
}} Prestigious university president who was appointed by the university with much fanfare resigns after being accused of anti-semitism and plagiarism. Making international headline news, shortest tenure in the role in the nearly 400 year history of the school  [[Special:Contributions/24.125.98.89|24.125.98.89]] ([[User talk:24.125.98.89|talk]]) 12:09, 3 January 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->
:I agree with you suggestion in spirit, but please moderate your language, particularly insofar as it cannot be verified with sources compliant with WP:BLP [[User:FortunateSons|FortunateSons]] ([[User talk:FortunateSons|talk]]) 12:19, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
::fixed --[[Special:Contributions/24.125.98.89|24.125.98.89]] ([[User talk:24.125.98.89|talk]]) 12:20, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
:::Looks a lot better, thank you [[User:FortunateSons|FortunateSons]] ([[User talk:FortunateSons|talk]]) 12:24, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
::::who? this is not worthy of itn, shitty ass blurb gtfo [[Special:Contributions/2601:58A:8E7E:C300:1411:DF33:5D74:9A03|2601:58A:8E7E:C300:1411:DF33:5D74:9A03]] ([[User talk:2601:58A:8E7E:C300:1411:DF33:5D74:9A03|talk]]) 17:48, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''', tempest in a teapot, university presidents are nothin' but cheerleaders and fundraisers, and I don't see how somebody getting fired is ITN-level material. <span style="font-family: Cambria;"> [[User:Abductive|<span style="color: teal;">'''Abductive'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Abductive|reasoning]])</span> 12:31, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Support''' significant media attention, political and academic backlash, and it is reported by many news sites, including many national and international reliable sources. [[User:FortunateSons|FortunateSons]] ([[User talk:FortunateSons|talk]]) 12:39, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''', just a university, not a geopolitical authority or anything. Small impact. [[User:QueensanditsCrazy|QueensanditsCrazy]] ([[User talk:QueensanditsCrazy|talk]]) 13:01, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
::I disagree, it is one of the best ranked universities in the world. [[User:FortunateSons|FortunateSons]] ([[User talk:FortunateSons|talk]]) 13:08, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' Technically, tied to the situation in the Gaza strip, but also typically we would not post the resignation or retirement or other departure of the top person in a company or institution, unless there were serious ramifications that would come with that. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 13:13, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' trivial. [[User:Alsoriano97|_-_Alsor]] ([[User talk:Alsoriano97|talk]]) 13:40, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' - National story with little or zero impact outside its own jurisdiction.[[User:BabbaQ|BabbaQ]] ([[User talk:BabbaQ|talk]]) 14:41, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
::Hi, I was reading the instructions above [[Wikipedia:ITNCDONT]] and it says "Oppose an item just because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one." so I guess your comment is invalid. --[[Special:Contributions/24.125.98.89|24.125.98.89]] ([[User talk:24.125.98.89|talk]]) 15:14, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
:::The comment mentioned the ''jurisdiction'', not the entire US. You can't just decide that replies opposing your proposal are invalid, that's bad form. [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#947E00">Chaotıċ<span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:30deg;color:indigo">Enby</span></span>]]<span style="font-size:85%">([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|c]])</span> 15:37, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' We don't know what the ramifications are going to be, and any speculation here within is pure [[WP:CRYSTAL]]. This story is making headlines worldwide and is currently the subject of many emerging editorials and opinion pieces. [[User:Kcmastrpc|Kcmastrpc]] ([[User talk:Kcmastrpc|talk]]) 14:45, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
**ITN does not consider whether the story us headline news or not or widely it is being reported. And if there are no clear immediate ramifications reported as part of the story, then it is CRYSTAL to suggest there will be any.<span id="Masem:1704301244563:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> —&nbsp;[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 17:00, 3 January 2024 (UTC)</span>
*'''Oppose''' Someone gets fired at a prestigious university, not ITN-worthy. [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#947E00">Chaotıċ<span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:30deg;color:indigo">Enby</span></span>]]<span style="font-size:85%">([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|c]])</span> 15:35, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' this unworthy event. Not important at all for the world. [[User:Setarip|Setarip]] ([[User talk:Setarip|talk]]) 16:32, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
{{abottom}}

==== RD: Zvi Zamir ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Zvi Zamir
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.timesofisrael.com/zvi-zamir-the-man-who-sounded-the-alarm-in-1973-is-dead-at-98/ The Times of Israel]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = 240D:1A:4B5:2800:51E3:903B:140B:3B5E <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}} Former director of Mossad. [[Special:Contributions/240D:1A:4B5:2800:51E3:903B:140B:3B5E|240D:1A:4B5:2800:51E3:903B:140B:3B5E]] ([[User talk:240D:1A:4B5:2800:51E3:903B:140B:3B5E|talk]]) 10:15, 3 January 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->
*'''Oppose''' Article needs a lot of work done. --[[User:TDKR Chicago 101|TDKR Chicago 101]] ([[User talk:TDKR Chicago 101|talk]]) 11:05, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

====(Posted) RD: Sartaj Aziz ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Sartaj Aziz<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.brecorder.com/news/40281710 Business Recorder] <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Chaotic Enby <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = TDKR Chicago 101<!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}} Former finance minister of Pakistan, orange tag to fix but that should be doable. [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#947E00">Chaotıċ<span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:30deg;color:indigo">Enby</span></span>]]<span style="font-size:85%">([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|c]])</span> 17:57, 2 January 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->
*'''Support''' Article looks good and I've done some work in fixing the sourcing issues. --[[User:TDKR Chicago 101|TDKR Chicago 101]] ([[User talk:TDKR Chicago 101|talk]]) 18:44, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Article is generally good-quality. --[[User:MtPenguinMonster|MtPenguinMonster]] ([[User talk:MtPenguinMonster|talk]]) 07:11, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted'''—[[User:Bagumba|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba|talk]]) 15:34, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

==== (Posted) RD: Ken Bowman ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Ken Bowman
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2024/01/02/former-green-bay-packers-center-ken-bowman-dies-at-81/72084904007/]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Muboshgu <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}} <!-- Additional comments go before here --> &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 17:30, 2 January 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->
*'''Support''' Article looks good. --[[User:TDKR Chicago 101|TDKR Chicago 101]] ([[User talk:TDKR Chicago 101|talk]]) 18:45, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

*'''Oppose''' We dont even know whether or not he died in 2024 [[User:Setarip|Setarip]] ([[User talk:Setarip|talk]]) 19:00, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
:*{{u|Setarip}}, his death was reported today. Irrelevant of what day it was, this is eligible. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 19:01, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
::*Apparently he died on Dec 27. But Muboshgu is right. His death was announced today, thus this is RD eligible. [[User:Natg 19|Natg 19]] ([[User talk:Natg 19|talk]]) 01:37, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Article is in good quality. --[[User:MtPenguinMonster|MtPenguinMonster]] ([[User talk:MtPenguinMonster|talk]]) 07:44, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted'''—[[User:Bagumba|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba|talk]]) 15:35, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

====(Posted as RD) RD/blurb?: Saleh al-Arouri ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Saleh al-Arouri
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/hamas-deputy-leader-abroad-saleh-al-arouri-killed-in-alleged-israeli-strike-in-lebanon/]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| blurb         = In [[Beirut]], [[Lebanon]], senior [[Hamas]] leader '''[[Saleh al-Arouri]]''' is '''[[Assassination of Saleh al-Arouri|assassinated]]''' by an Israeli airstrike
| nominator     = Muboshgu <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}} Was a leader in Hamas. <!-- Additional comments go before here --> &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 17:15, 2 January 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->
*'''Support''' Article looks good. --[[User:TDKR Chicago 101|TDKR Chicago 101]] ([[User talk:TDKR Chicago 101|talk]]) 17:50, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Support''' Article quality is pretty good. [[User:Setarip|Setarip]] ([[User talk:Setarip|talk]]) 18:58, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
:*{{ping|Setarip}} Thoughts on it being a blurb? --[[User:TDKR Chicago 101|TDKR Chicago 101]] ([[User talk:TDKR Chicago 101|talk]]) 17:22, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
:*:'''Support Blurb''' An important figure from Hamas, his assassination article is good quality as well. [[User:Setarip|Setarip]] ([[User talk:Setarip|talk]]) 17:44, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 23:06, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

:Can we blurb it? We blurbed assassination of ISIS leader. And it is the first major figure from Hamas who was taken out by Israel. [[User:Кирилл С1|Kirill C1]] ([[User talk:Кирилл С1|talk]]) 23:26, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
::I was mulling with the idea of a blurb as well. We did blurb [[Qasem Soleimani]]'s death. Plus the [[Assassination of Saleh al-Arouri]] article doesn't look that bad as well. I'd '''support blurb''' [[User:TDKR Chicago 101|TDKR Chicago 101]] ([[User talk:TDKR Chicago 101|talk]]) 07:42, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
:::'''Oppose Blurb'''. Qasem Soleimani was the head of the IRGC while Saleh is merely the second-in-command of Hamas's political branch, which relatively speaking isn't that significant. It was a similar deal with ISIS since Kirili CT brought it up; we posted when Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi was killed, but not when his many deputies were drone striked. When the actual head gets assassinated, then it should be posted [[User:Mount Patagonia|<span style="color: #BA0000">Mount Patagonia</span>]] ([[User talk:Mount Patagonia|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mount Patagonia|contributions]]) 09:56, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Weak support''' on blurbing [[Assassination of Saleh al-Arouri]]. It's an appropriate level of detail for an ITN feature, though not the most impressive subject as per Mount Patagonia above. ~[[User:Maplestrip|<span style="color:#005080">Maplestrip/Mable</span>]] ([[User talk:Maplestrip|<span style="color:#700090">chat</span>]]) 10:01, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support blurb'''. Important figure within Hamas - afterall he was the Deputy Chairman of the Political Bureau, and the founding commander of one Hamas' military wing. He is more than just the "second in command" of Hamas. <span style="font-family: Courier New; background-color: green; padding: 2px 3px 1px 3px;">[[User:Twistedaxe|<span style="color: yellow">TwistedAxe</span>]] [[User talk:Twistedaxe|<span style="color: navy">[contact]</span>]]</span> 15:10, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose blurb''' not a key leader of Hamas, no practical effect on the Gaza strip conflict. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]])
*'''Oppose blurb''' on account of not knowing what actual effect al-Arouri's death with have on the conflict. [[User:DarkSide830|DarkSide830]] ([[User talk:DarkSide830|talk]]) 17:45, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose blurb''' per Masem/Mount Patagonia. [[User:The Kip|<span style="color:#333f42;">'''The'''</span>]] [[User talk:The Kip|<span style="color:#b4975a;">'''Kip'''</span>]] 19:12, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support blurb'''. Not just the deputy political leader of Hamas, but a founder of its military wing. —[[User:M3ATH|M3ATH]] <small>([[Special:Contributions/M3ATH|See]] '''·''' [[User talk:M3ATH|Say]])</small> 07:39, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

==== RD: Qaiser Rashid Khan ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Qaiser Rashid Khan
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://jang.com.pk/amp/1305756 Jang] 
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Ainty Painty <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}} <!-- Additional comments go before here --> [[User:Ainty Painty|Ainty Painty]] ([[User talk:Ainty Painty|talk]]) 16:03, 2 January 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->
*'''Oppose''' Article is a stub and has not been updated to reflect his death. --[[User:TDKR Chicago 101|TDKR Chicago 101]] ([[User talk:TDKR Chicago 101|talk]]) 18:46, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Comment''': Now updated. [[User:Ainty Painty|Ainty Painty]] ([[User talk:Ainty Painty|talk]]) 03:19, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
*Generally speaking the article badly needs more secondary sources, but it would barely surpass RD's low quality bar if the close parroting of the [https://www.peshawarhighcourt.gov.pk/app/site/63/c/Profile_Justice_Qaiser_Rashid_Khan.html primary source profile] didn't have me concerned. ("received his secondary education", uses the exact same cadence as the source in that section, "took oath as" farther down) [[User:The ed17|Ed]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:The ed17|[talk]]]&nbsp;[[WP:OMT|[OMT]]]</sup> 01:45, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

====(Posted) RD: Carmen Valero ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Carmen Valero
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://efe.com/deportes/2024-01-02/fallecimiento-carmen-valero-primera-atleta-olimpica-espanola/ EFE], [https://elpais.com/deportes/2024-01-02/muere-a-los-68-anos-carmen-valero-la-primera-atleta-olimpica-espanola.html El País], [https://www.elperiodico.com/es/deportes/20240102/muere-carmen-valero-primera-atleta-olimpica-espanola-96456450 El Periódico], [https://as.com/masdeporte/atletismo/muere-carmen-valero-la-pionera-del-atletismo-espanol-n/ Diario AS], [https://www.marca.com/atletismo/2024/01/02/65933003e2704edb638b45a9.html Marca], [https://www.relevo.com/atletismo/muere-pionera-carmen-valero-primera-20240101224426-nt.html Relevo]
| updated       = yes
| nominator     = Oltrepier <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = Oltrepier, Mohamad Darilin, Gianluigi02, Dominus Moravian,
}} Valero became the first woman to ever represent [[Spain at the Summer Olympics|Spain]] at the [[Summer Olympics]] in [[1976 Summer Olympics|1976]], and won two consecutive [[IAAF World Cross Country Championships]] in 1976 and 1977. [[User:Oltrepier|Oltrepier]] ([[User talk:Oltrepier|talk]]) 11:58, 2 January 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->
'''Comment''': I'm currently working on the article to "de-stub" it and bring it to a good level. [[User:Oltrepier|Oltrepier]] ([[User talk:Oltrepier|talk]]) 14:44, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' I'll be damned. Great job at expanding the article. Looks solid. Gonna be bold and marking it as ready. --[[User:TDKR Chicago 101|TDKR Chicago 101]] ([[User talk:TDKR Chicago 101|talk]]) 20:36, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Article looks great. Congrats for the job Oltrepier. [[User:Alsoriano97|_-_Alsor]] ([[User talk:Alsoriano97|talk]]) 08:51, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted'''—[[User:Bagumba|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba|talk]]) 15:36, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

==== (Posted) Japan Airlines Flight 516 ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Japan Airlines Flight 516
| image         = File:JAPAN_AIRLINES_A350-941_JA13XJ_HND_30-APR-2022.jpg
| blurb         = Five people are killed after '''[[Japan Airlines Flight 516]]''' (aircraft involved pictured) collides with a [[Japan Coast Guard]] aircraft while landing at Tokyo's [[Haneda Airport]].
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb      = A [[Japan Airlines]] [[Airbus A350]] (aircraft pictured) '''[[Japan Airlines Flight 516|collides]]''' with a [[Japan Coast Guard]] aircraft at Japan's [[Haneda Airport]], resulting in the death of five people on board the JCG aircraft.
| altblurb2      = At Tokyo's [[Haneda Airport]], '''[[Japan Airlines Flight 516]]''', (aircraft involved pictured) carrying 367 passengers collides with a [[Japan Coast Guard]] aircraft, killing 5 people and leaving several injured.
| altblurb3     =  '''[[Japan Airlines Flight 516]]''' (aircraft involved pictured) collides with a [[Japan Coast Guard]] aircraft while landing at Tokyo's [[Haneda Airport]]. Five out of six people are killed on board the JCG aircraft.
| sources       =  [https://edition.cnn.com/2024/01/02/asia/japan-airlines-plane-fire-airport-intl-hnk/index.html CNN], [https://www.bbc.com/news/world-67862011 BBC]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Midori No Sora <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator       = Kiwiz1338
| updaters      = 
}} <!-- Additional comments go before here --> A Japan Airlines Airbus A350 aircraft collided with a Japan Coast Guard Dash 8 aircraft while landing at Tokyo Haneda Airport. Everyone on the A350 survived (some are injured), while 5 out of 6 people on the Coast Guard plane died. Both planes are reportedly destroyed and this is JAL's first fatal accident since 1985. It was also widely reported by almost every major news sources. 🛧[[User:Midori No Sora|<span style="color:#32CCB9;text-shadow:0.2em 0.2em 0.2em #69CC77;">'''Midori No Sora♪'''</span>]]🛪 (<small>[[User talk:Midori No Sora|<span style="color:#0066cc;text-shadow:0.2em 0.1em 0.2em #ffcc00;"> '''☁＝☁＝✈'''</span>]]</small>) 10:09, 2 January 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->

:<s>Oppose on quality concerns</s>. We still need a flight/accident section. Otherwise I’m feeling OK for '''support'''. [[User:S5A-0043|<span style="color:#00A2E8">S5A-0043</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:S5A-0043|Talk]]</sup> 10:14, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
::By the way, since reports suggest a collosion with a SDF plane, I say we wait until that’s confirmed before we go ahead with ITN. [[User:S5A-0043|<span style="color:#00A2E8">S5A-0043</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:S5A-0043|Talk]]</sup> 10:22, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Oppose for now''' The article will be ready to go on In The News when it is a bit more fleshed out. [[User:Bremps|'''<span style="background:#000000; color:white; padding:2px;">Bremps</span>''']][[User talk:Bremps|'''<span style="color:grey;">...</span>''']] 10:24, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Comment''': If we eventually find significant consensus to post the blurb, I'd suggest to edit the final part to avoid confusion: according to [https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-asia-67862184 the latest reports], all of the passengers and staff members had been evacuated ''before'' the plane caught fire, whereas the only casualties were registered within [https://news.sky.com/story/japan-plane-fire-latest-hundreds-were-on-board-plane-footage-shows-explosion-as-it-taxies-on-runway-13040808#7001138 the crew of the Japan Coast Guard aircraft]. [[User:Oltrepier|Oltrepier]] ([[User talk:Oltrepier|talk]]) 11:46, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' It is now known that all of the passanger on the larger plane survived - it is the 5-to-6 crew of the coast guard plane that are dead or yet accounted for. This could have been a lot worse but in terms of what actually happened it was a close call. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 13:18, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' hull loss of a large passenger jet of a major airline makes this notable. [[Special:Contributions/2A02:908:676:E640:A968:92D3:DBA4:F952|2A02:908:676:E640:A968:92D3:DBA4:F952]] ([[User talk:2A02:908:676:E640:A968:92D3:DBA4:F952|talk]]) 13:39, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - runway/mid-air collision, double hull loss. Article in good enough state to post. [[User:Mjroots|Mjroots]] ([[User talk:Mjroots|talk]]) 13:42, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - Yes, it could have been a lot worse but thankfully it wasn't. However, it is worldwide news top story. Collision involving a full passenger airline leading to fatalities and two complete hull loss. -- [[User:KTC|KTC]] ([[User talk:KTC|talk]]) 13:59, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' as per above, but I stand on my previous comment: we need to avoid confusion in the blurb. [[User:Oltrepier|Oltrepier]] ([[User talk:Oltrepier|talk]]) 14:08, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
*:@[[User:Oltrepier|Oltrepier]], I've rewritten Alt Blurb and made Alt Blurb III mention the deaths are specifically from the JCG aircraft. How about that? 🛧[[User:Midori No Sora|<span style="color:#32CCB9;text-shadow:0.2em 0.2em 0.2em #69CC77;">'''Midori No Sora♪'''</span>]]🛪 (<small>[[User talk:Midori No Sora|<span style="color:#0066cc;text-shadow:0.2em 0.1em 0.2em #ffcc00;"> '''☁＝☁＝✈'''</span>]]</small>) 14:45, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
*::{{reply to|Midori No Sora}} That's better, well done! [[User:Oltrepier|Oltrepier]] ([[User talk:Oltrepier|talk]]) 15:04, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. Top news around the world, most significant aviation accident in Japan for nearly a decade, most significant aviation incident involving a civilian wide-body airliner since at least 2022. This is unquestionably notable and the article is in good enough shape for posting. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 14:17, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Support''' - [[Wikipedia:How ITN works (and how it doesn't)|WP:MINIMUMDEATHS]] is not a policy. This is getting a massive amount of coverage.  [[User:PrecariousWorlds|PrecariousWorlds]] ([[User talk:PrecariousWorlds|talk]]) 15:14, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support on notability''': Historic accident for Japan Airlines, currently making international headlines globally. However, article could be significantly improved on before posting.  ~~[[User:Maylingoed|<span style="color: orange">'''m'''A'''y'''L'''i'''N'''g'''O'''e'''E'''d'''</span>]]  ([[User talk:Maylingoed|Talk to me!]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Maylingoed |My contributions to Wikipedia📜]])
**What specifically do you think could be improved? Is there something in particular that is missing? [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 16:20, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''': Per above, a serious aviation incident that surpasses the bar for inclusion on ITN. There is no death count requirement here. [[User:Kcmastrpc|Kcmastrpc]] ([[User talk:Kcmastrpc|talk]]) 16:24, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted'''. I tweaked alt 3 to try to avoid repetition. Please feel free to improve it further. [[User:The ed17|Ed]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:The ed17|[talk]]]&nbsp;[[WP:OMT|[OMT]]]</sup> 17:02, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
*:I hate to be nitpicky but there was an update to the picture of JA13XJ (the Japan Airlines aircraft involved in the crash) on the article page, may i suggest to use this here aswell? [[User:TrainSimFan|TrainSimFan]] ([[User talk:TrainSimFan|talk]]) 17:20, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
*::I'm questioning if that photo was acceptable to upload here. That photo was taken from the "Jetphotos" website and wonder if it's copyrighted or not. From what I searched, Jetphotos does not license any of the the aircraft images under the Creative Commons policy. 🛧[[User:Midori No Sora|<span style="color:#32CCB9;text-shadow:0.2em 0.2em 0.2em #69CC77;">'''Midori No Sora♪'''</span>]]🛪 (<small>[[User talk:Midori No Sora|<span style="color:#0066cc;text-shadow:0.2em 0.1em 0.2em #ffcc00;"> '''☁＝☁＝✈'''</span>]]</small>) 17:27, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
*:::That photo is indeed a copyright violation, I've nominated it for speedy deletion on Commons. Someone else beat me to removing it from the article.  [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 18:15, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

*'''Comment''': The remains of JA13XJ is finally posted at the Commons that isn't copyrighted. Could I request the current image of the plane replaced with this? 🛧[[User:Midori No Sora|<span style="color:#32CCB9;text-shadow:0.2em 0.2em 0.2em #69CC77;">'''Midori No Sora♪'''</span>]]🛪 (<small>[[User talk:Midori No Sora|<span style="color:#0066cc;text-shadow:0.2em 0.1em 0.2em #ffcc00;"> '''☁＝☁＝✈'''</span>]]</small>) 08:06, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
*:@[[User:Midori No Sora|Midori No Sora]] I think you should try [[WP:ERRORS]]. It seems that someone beat you to it. [[:User:Aaron Liu|<span style="color: rgb(6,69,173); text-decoration: inherit;">Aaron Liu</span>]] ([[User talk:Aaron Liu#top|talk]]) 12:59, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
*::Yup. The image was awaiting media protection when I've requested this here. 🛧[[User:Midori No Sora|<span style="color:#32CCB9;text-shadow:0.2em 0.2em 0.2em #69CC77;">'''Midori No Sora♪'''</span>]]🛪 (<small>[[User talk:Midori No Sora|<span style="color:#0066cc;text-shadow:0.2em 0.1em 0.2em #ffcc00;"> '''☁＝☁＝✈'''</span>]]</small>) 14:29, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
[[File:Japan Airlines 516 JA13XJ wreckage.jpg|thumb|right]]

{{clear}}

====(Posted) Stabbing of Lee Jae-myung ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Stabbing of Lee Jae-myung
| image         = Lee Jae Myung in January 2024.jpg
| blurb         = South Korean opposition leader [[Lee Jae-myung]] is <b>[[Stabbing of Lee Jae-myung|stabbed]]</b> in Busan.
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb      = [[Lee Jae-myung]], the leader of the South Korean opposition, is <b>[[Stabbing of Lee Jae-myung|stabbed]]</b> in Busan.
| altblurb2     = [[Lee Jae-myung]], the leader of the South Korean opposition, is <b>[[Stabbing of Lee Jae-myung|stabbed]]</b> in Busan, but survives the attack.
| altblurb3     = [[Lee Jae-myung]], the leader of the South Korean opposition, is hospitalized following a <b>[[Stabbing of Lee Jae-myung|stabbing attack]]</b> in Busan
| sources       =  [https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/01/world/asia/south-korea-opposition-lee-jae-myung.html New York Times]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Bremps <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator       = ElijahPepe
| updaters      = ElijahPepe, Slinking Agony, Unknown-Tree, TDKR Chicago 101
}} <!-- Additional comments go before here --> [[User:Bremps|'''<span style="background:#000000; color:white; padding:2px;">Bremps</span>''']][[User talk:Bremps|'''<span style="color:grey;">...</span>''']] 03:45, 2 January 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->
*'''Wait''', leaning towards '''oppose''' — Reporting from ''The Chosun Ilbo'' suggests Lee will survive the attack. <span style="font-family: monospace;">[[User talk:ElijahPepe|elijahpepe@wikipedia]] (he/him)</span> 03:48, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
*:{{Ping|ElijahPepe}} The article has been expanded with the info available. While it appears that Lee will survive the attack, I believe it's worth blurbing per Chrisclear and that this event is making headlines. Also an assassination attempt like this on a high-profile figure is rare (no matter if it's successful or not). [[User:TDKR Chicago 101|TDKR Chicago 101]] ([[User talk:TDKR Chicago 101|talk]]) 12:10, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
*::Concur. Hard to imagine someone making this argument if something similar happened to [[Donald Trump|Trump]]. Or even [[Ron DeSantis]]. [[User:Bremps|'''<span style="background:#000000; color:white; padding:2px;">Bremps</span>''']][[User talk:Bremps|'''<span style="color:grey;">...</span>''']] 12:14, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Wait''' as per elijahpepe. --[[User:MtPenguinMonster|MtPenguinMonster]] ([[User talk:MtPenguinMonster|talk]]) 03:55, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
*:{{Ping|MtPenguinMonster}} Thoughts now? Article has been expanded and it looks like Lee survived the attack. [[User:TDKR Chicago 101|TDKR Chicago 101]] ([[User talk:TDKR Chicago 101|talk]]) 10:57, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
*::'''Support'''. The article seems to be in good quality now, and we have the update. --[[User:MtPenguinMonster|MtPenguinMonster]] ([[User talk:MtPenguinMonster|talk]]) 11:41, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' This is the leader of the opposition party of a country, and the presumptive candidate in the next presidential election. Whether or not Lee Jae-Myung survives the attack (and I hope he does) is irrelevant. Presumably if Hillary Clinton had been stabbed in the neck in 2016, or Mitt Romney had been stabbed in the neck in 2012, those incidents would be overwhelmingly supported for a blurb by a large number of (American) editors. The only difference is that this incident took place in South Korea to a South Korean politician, and not in the US to an American. [[User:Chrisclear|Chrisclear]] ([[User talk:Chrisclear|talk]]) 06:22, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Wait''', pending article expansion. Leaning support. [[User:Anarchyte|<span style="color:#202122;font-family:Trebuchet MS">Anarchyte</span>]] ([[User talk:Anarchyte|<span style="color:#202122">talk</span>]]) 06:46, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
*:{{Ping|Anarchyte}} Expanded article with the current info available. [[User:TDKR Chicago 101|TDKR Chicago 101]] ([[User talk:TDKR Chicago 101|talk]]) 10:55, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

:'''Support''', this is najor news. [[User:Кирилл С1|Kirill C1]] ([[User talk:Кирилл С1|talk]]) 07:08, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support altblurb II''' (which ive added), it's certainly in the news but I think it's important to clarify that he survived the attack, which it looks like he's doing. [[User:Unknown-Tree|Unknown-Tree🌲?]] ([[User talk:Unknown-Tree|talk]]) 07:21, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
*:It looks he will, but there's never any guarantees. We can put "hospitalized" or something similar that implies he is still being treated. [[User:Bremps|'''<span style="background:#000000; color:white; padding:2px;">Bremps</span>''']][[User talk:Bremps|'''<span style="color:grey;">...</span>''']] 08:57, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''', though article needs expansion. Notable whether he survives or not. A major politician gets stabbed in the neck is big news. [[User:Natg 19|Natg 19]] ([[User talk:Natg 19|talk]]) 07:48, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
*Article is rather short and barebones. We're not really telling our readers much of anything. Perhaps wait until more is known. ~[[User:Maplestrip|<span style="color:#005080">Maplestrip/Mable</span>]] ([[User talk:Maplestrip|<span style="color:#700090">chat</span>]]) 08:36, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
*:{{ping|Maplestrip}} Expanded article with info available. [[User:TDKR Chicago 101|TDKR Chicago 101]] ([[User talk:TDKR Chicago 101|talk]]) 11:37, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
**:{{ping|TDKR Chicago 101}} '''Support''' &ndash; Excellent work, the article looks in really good shape now and gives lots of details and background information. ~[[User:Maplestrip|<span style="color:#005080">Maplestrip/Mable</span>]] ([[User talk:Maplestrip|<span style="color:#700090">chat</span>]]) 12:01, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' A high-ranking political figure being, let's face it, the target of an assassination attempt is blurb worthy in my mind. Article is rather short, but I'm positive it'll be expanded once more info is known. --[[User:TDKR Chicago 101|TDKR Chicago 101]] ([[User talk:TDKR Chicago 101|talk]]) 10:27, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose on quality''' the article is barely more than a stub. I imagine that in the next 12-24 hours more information will be known, and so this article can then be properly expanded to make it a front page-worthy article. Once that's done, consider this a support vote. [[User:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b>]][[User talk:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#000000">2302</b>]] ([[User talk:Joseph2302|talk]]) 10:30, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
*:{{Ping|Joseph2302}} Expanded article with the current info available. [[User:TDKR Chicago 101|TDKR Chicago 101]] ([[User talk:TDKR Chicago 101|talk]]) 10:55, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
*:: '''Support now''' good expansion, thanks. [[User:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b>]][[User talk:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#000000">2302</b>]] ([[User talk:Joseph2302|talk]]) 13:11, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' on notability and quality, article looks good enough now. [[User:AryKun|AryKun]] ([[User talk:AryKun|talk]]) 12:04, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - quality looks good enough. Notable. [[User:BabbaQ|BabbaQ]] ([[User talk:BabbaQ|talk]]) 13:08, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

:'''Support'''. Quality and notability are both there to me. [[User:S5A-0043|<span style="color:#00A2E8">S5A-0043</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:S5A-0043|Talk]]</sup> 14:02, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Support Alternative blurb III''' quality is good enough to me [[User:Setarip|Setarip]] ([[User talk:Setarip|talk]]) 14:07, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' -- [[User:KTC|KTC]] ([[User talk:KTC|talk]]) 14:14, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
== January 1 ==
{{cot|[[Portal:Current events/2024 January 1]]}}
{{Portal:Current events/2024 January 1}}
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====(Posted) RD: Niklaus Wirth ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Niklaus Wirth
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://m.winfuture.de/news/140430 WinFuture], [https://twitter.com/Bertrand_Meyer/status/1742613897675178347 Bertrand Meyer tweet]
| updated       = yes
| nominator     = Gobonobo <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}} <!-- Additional comments go before here --> [[User:Gobonobo|<span style="font-family:DejaVu Sans; color: #333300">gobonobo</span>]] [[User talk:Gobonobo|<sup>+</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Gobonobo|<sup>c</sup>]] 20:45, 3 January 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->
*'''Oppose''' Article has several citation tags. --[[User:TDKR Chicago 101|TDKR Chicago 101]] ([[User talk:TDKR Chicago 101|talk]]) 21:06, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Addressed "citation needed" tags. [[Special:Contributions/70.181.1.68|70.181.1.68]] ([[User talk:70.181.1.68|talk]]) 01:06, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' article seems in good shape now. [[User:Skynxnex|Skynxnex]] ([[User talk:Skynxnex|talk]]) 21:11, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted to RD'''. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082529">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T•</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">C</span>]]</sup> 04:30, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

====RD: Basdeo Panday ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Basdeo Panday<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/basdeo-panday-trinidad-tobagos-prime-minister-indian-descent-106046829 ABC News]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Ktin <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = Shanel, Arimbaboss, Guettarda
}} Former Trinidad and Tobago PM. [[User:Ktin|Ktin]] ([[User talk:Ktin|talk]]) 09:01, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Article has several citation tags. --[[User:TDKR Chicago 101|TDKR Chicago 101]] ([[User talk:TDKR Chicago 101|talk]]) 21:08, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

====RD: Frank Ryan ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Frank Ryan (American football)<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39229703/ex-qb-frank-ryan-led-browns-last-title-dies-87 ESPN], [https://www.si.com/nfl/browns/news/frank-ryan-championship-winning-browns-qb-dies-at-87 SI], [https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/02/sports/football/frank-ryan-dead.html NYT], [https://www.reuters.com/sports/frank-ryan-last-browns-qb-win-title-dies-87-2024-01-02/ Reuters]  <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Natg 19 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}} 1960s American football player. Needs work. [[User:Natg 19|Natg 19]] ([[User talk:Natg 19|talk]]) 01:30, 3 January 2024 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->
*'''Oppose''' Article needs citations. Has orange tag. --[[User:TDKR Chicago 101|TDKR Chicago 101]] ([[User talk:TDKR Chicago 101|talk]]) 21:08, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
* Interesting career after football.  Much of the prose still in need of sourcing. Please add more REFs. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 21:28, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

==== Israeli judicial reform struck down ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = 2023 Israeli judicial reform
| image         = 
| blurb         = The [[Supreme Court of Israel]] '''[[2023 Israeli judicial reform#HCJ 5658/23 Movement for Quality Government in Israel v. Knesset (2024)|strikes down]]''' a [[2023 Israeli judicial reform|controversial judicial reform bill]] previously passed by the [[Knesset]].
| recent deaths = no 
| ongoing       = no 
| ITNR          = no 
| altblurb      = 
| altblurb2     = 
| sources       = [https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67859177 (BBC News)], [https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-historic-ruling-high-court-strikes-down-key-judicial-overhaul-legislation/ (''Times of Israel'')]
| updated       = yes
| nominator     = The Kip 
| creator       = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}} I can see arguments both ''for'' posting (sheer notoriety of the reform attempt and protests, was blurbed (I think?)/ongoing-d before) and ''against'' (short article update, internal political matter). Figured I'd float it here nonetheless. [[User:The Kip|<span style="color:#333f42;">'''The'''</span>]] [[User talk:The Kip|<span style="color:#b4975a;">'''Kip'''</span>]] 23:04, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

*If this is to be blurbed, I feel like it should succintly specify what made the bill so controversial in the first place. Does anyone here disagree? [[User:Kurtis|Kurtis]] [[User talk:Kurtis|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 03:52, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
*If this case really is that notable, it should have it's own article rather than just occupy one section in a different article. [[User:Edge3|Edge3]] ([[User talk:Edge3|talk]]) 06:52, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' individually notable resolution of one of the biggest political/legal stories of the past year. [[User:DarkSide830|DarkSide830]] ([[User talk:DarkSide830|talk]]) 17:48, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
* '''Support''', the bill (and the large protests against it) have been extensively covered globally. [[User:Unknown-Tree|Unknown-Tree🌲?]] ([[User talk:Unknown-Tree|talk]]) 19:38, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' The usual gridlock that you get when different branches of a government are dominated by opposing parties.  As the judges' opinions were quite individual and varied and the overall result was close (8-7), this seems unlikely to settle the power struggle between the Knesset and the Court. [[user:Andrew Davidson|Andrew]]🐉([[user talk:Andrew Davidson|talk]]) 21:04, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support with a better blurb''' While it may not change internal disputes in practice as much as would seem ITN-worthy, the fact that it got such global ongoing news coverage despite [everything else] makes it notable on public interest grounds. Also in the item's favour is that it's slightly less stark than death and disaster, which is all the box is at the moment (this is not a reason in itself, just a comment). As has been mentioned above, the blurb needs some context to convey this, or users could use it as precedent for nominating every internal bill decision. [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 21:42, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

==== (Posted) RD: Sidney M. Wolfe ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Sidney M. Wolfe
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.washingtonpost.com/obituaries/2024/01/01/sidney-wolfe-public-citizen-dies/ Washington Post]
| updated       = yes <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Thriley <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = Thriley , Nohomersryan <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}} American physician and the co-founder and director of [[Public Citizen]]'s Health Research Group, a consumer and [[health advocacy]] lobbying organization. [[User:Thriley|Thriley]] ([[User talk:Thriley|talk]]) 06:49, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Orange-tagged for citation issues. [[User:The Kip|<span style="color:#333f42;">'''The'''</span>]] [[User talk:The Kip|<span style="color:#b4975a;">'''Kip'''</span>]] 22:22, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
* The Works section could use more ISBN. Three {cn} tags remaining in the prose. Please add more REFs. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 08:28, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
*:I have fixed the issues raised. [[User:Thriley|Thriley]] ([[User talk:Thriley|talk]]) 04:44, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' I have fixed the citation and ISBN issues. [[User:Thriley|Thriley]] ([[User talk:Thriley|talk]]) 04:43, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 11:35, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

==== RD: Peter Magubane ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Peter Magubane
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/01/world/africa/peter-magubane-dead.html NY Times]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Thriley <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}} South African photographer and anti-apartheid activist. [[User:Thriley|Thriley]] ([[User talk:Thriley|talk]]) 04:54, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Some cn tags and lead could be expanded to reflect more of his work/how they had an impact. --[[User:TDKR Chicago 101|TDKR Chicago 101]] ([[User talk:TDKR Chicago 101|talk]]) 18:49, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
* The prose currently has a handful of {cn} tags. The string of bullet-points following the publication list is largely unsourced. Please add more REFs. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 07:54, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

==== Ethiopia–Somaliland relations ====
{{ITN candidate|article=Ethiopia–Somaliland relations|blurb=In East Africa, [[Ethiopia]] and the [[Somaliland War of Independence|breakaway]] state of [[Somaliland]] '''[[Ethiopia–Somaliland_relations#Modern_period|announce an agreement]]''' allowing Ethiopia to use the port city of [[Berbera]] in exchange for eventual [[Diplomatic recognition|recognition]] of Somaliland.|sources=[https://www.voanews.com/a/ethiopia-secures-access-to-sea-after-deal-with-somaliland/7420589.html VOA] - [https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20240101-ethiopia-somaliland-agree-deal-on-port-access France24] - [https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-67858566 BBC] - [https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/01/01/somaliland-ethiopia-agreement-security-sea-access/5f160ece-a8f1-11ee-bc8c-7319480da4f9_story.html WaPo] - [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/01/ethiopia-and-somaliland-reach-historic-agreement-over-access-to-red-sea-ports ''The Guardian''] - [https://www.reuters.com/world/africa/landlocked-ethiopia-signs-pact-use-somalilands-red-sea-port-2024-01-01/ Reuters]|nominator=Knightoftheswords281|updaters=Dn9ahx|updated=no|nom cmt=Major news in East Africa; Ethiopia will be the first country to recognize the Republic of Somaliland. This agreement also comes with Ethiopian usage of Somalilander ports, thus giving the country greater naval access, which is notable amidst a rise in tensions between Ethiopia and Eritrea. This will also likely affect Somali-Ethiopian relations as well and possibly trigger a domino affect regarding the recognition (Western countries don't like recognizing separatist countries in Africa since there is a policy of respecting colonial borders and so they usually delegate recognition first to African countries).|sign=— [[User:Knightoftheswords281|<span style="background:black; color:white; padding:2px;">'''Knightof'''</span>]][[User talk:Knightoftheswords281|<span style="background:#70c6ff; color:black; padding:2px;">'''theswords'''</span>]] 22:17, 1 January 2024 (UTC)}}
*'''Support''' – The first recognition of a country by a UN member state is huge news. [[User:DecafPotato|DecafPotato]] ([[User talk:DecafPotato|talk]]) 23:21, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Wait''' until formal recognition is granted, which is the bigger story here imo. For now, it’s just an agreement to do so, but assuming it happens the first formal recognition of a state by a UN member is front page-worthy. [[User:The Kip|<span style="color:#333f42;">'''The'''</span>]] [[User talk:The Kip|<span style="color:#b4975a;">'''Kip'''</span>]] 23:37, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
*I agree with The Kip; let's wait until official recognition is granted, at which point I will '''support'''. If nothing else, it'll have pretty seismic ramifications for Ethiopian-Somali relations. [[User:Kurtis|Kurtis]] [[User talk:Kurtis|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 01:15, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support, Wait, Comment''' ''In theory'', Ethiopia can now use the port of Berbera, not the whole port ''city''. And other ports, too, along 20km of coastline. This could be ''way'' bigger for the state most of us already recognize as arguably landlocked than the one which still unquestionably ''sounds like'' a land of Somalia's. That's the thing, though. ''Could be'' big for both. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 02:10, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''', major development for Ethiopian influence in the region, and down the line recognition for Somaliland. [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#947E00">Chaotıċ<span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:30deg;color:indigo">Enby</span></span>]]<span style="font-size:85%">([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|c]])</span> 02:11, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Weak oppose''' This doesn't seem like a major change but a small step towards recognition of Somalia. Not the type of country-country relation we'd post. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 02:13, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
*:It’s not recognition of Somalia (an already-recognized UN member state), it’s recognition of [[Somaliland]] (an as-yet-unrecognized breakaway state). [[User:The Kip|<span style="color:#333f42;">'''The'''</span>]] [[User talk:The Kip|<span style="color:#b4975a;">'''Kip'''</span>]] 02:24, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
*:I also don't think you fully grasp how many more countries a country can "have relations" with '''if''' granted access to even the surface of the world's interconnected oceans. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 02:34, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' I think the whole Somaliland recognition thing buries the lead here. Yeah sure, this ''could'' lead to recognition of Somaliland eventually. Or it could not. We really have to wait and see with that. I think the bigger story here is that Ethiopia is getting direct unrestricted port access for the first time since Eritrean independence in the 1990s, completely bypassing the [[Port of Djibouti]] and its heavy fees. I think this carries major implications for the whole [[Horn of Africa]] region beyond the surface-level political aspect. [[User:Curbon7|Curbon7]] ([[User talk:Curbon7|talk]]) 07:08, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
*:Since Eritrea broke away, the landlocked status of Ethiopia has been a massive issue in the region. East Africa is becoming a geopolitical hotspot, this is a very notable development in that. [[User:PrecariousWorlds|PrecariousWorlds]] ([[User talk:PrecariousWorlds|talk]]) 15:11, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
* '''Wait until recognition''', which would be a huge change as Ethiopia would be the first UN member to formally recognise the country; that's the main story here, not the port usage. [[User:Unknown-Tree|Unknown-Tree🌲?]] ([[User talk:Unknown-Tree|talk]]) 07:26, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
*:{{u|Unknown-Tree}}, can you please elaborate on why you think Ethiopia getting port access is not a major aspect of this story? [[User:Curbon7|Curbon7]] ([[User talk:Curbon7|talk]]) 07:59, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Not ready''' &ndash; Significant, but the relations article is extremely barebones and only got a single-line update. If we had a few paragraphs on this agreement, then we'd have something good to show to our readers. ~[[User:Maplestrip|<span style="color:#005080">Maplestrip/Mable</span>]] ([[User talk:Maplestrip|<span style="color:#700090">chat</span>]]) 08:39, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

:'''Weak Support''' - Pretty big news, this will have '''major''' effects on African geopolitics.  [[User:PrecariousWorlds|PrecariousWorlds]] ([[User talk:PrecariousWorlds|talk]]) 15:10, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Wait''' - I would strongly support putting this up if formal recognition materializes as a result of this deal. Indeed, we need to wait and see whether the deal involves some sort of true [[Concessions and leases in international relations|sovereign lease]] (cf. Guantanamo Bay), which would be ITN-worthy in its own right, or is simply an agreement for Ethiopian participation in a port project and an overseas base, which would be more prosaic. --[[User:Varavour|Varavour]] ([[User talk:Varavour|talk]]) 21:35, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''', already as is this development has been massive in relation to both Somaliland's external affairs, Ethiopia's trade and Ethiopia-Somalia relations, which in turn makes it very relevant to the entire Horn of Africa region. It's already geopolitically significant enough to blurb. [[User:Devonian Wombat|Devonian Wombat]] ([[User talk:Devonian Wombat|talk]]) 06:15, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

:'''Wait''' It's something that has not happened yet. When Somaliland actually does gain recognition from Ethiopia, then post. [[User:Bremps|'''<span style="background:#000000; color:white; padding:2px;">Bremps</span>''']][[User talk:Bremps|'''<span style="color:grey;">...</span>''']] 06:44, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' one sentence is not enough for ITN. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 23:31, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

==== (Posted) 2024 Japan earthquake ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = 2024 Sea of Japan earthquake
| image         =
| blurb         = '''[[2024 Sea of Japan earthquake|An earthquake]]''' strikes Japan.
| altblurb      = A '''[[2024 Sea of Japan earthquake|magnitude-7.5 earthquake]]''' strikes the [[Sea of Japan]]
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| sources       = [https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/1/1/magnitude-7-4-earthquake-strikes-japan-tsunami-warning-issued AlJazeera] [https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/jan/01/japan-tsunami-earthquake-warning-latest-updates-live The Guardian] [https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-asia-67856144 BBC] [https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2024/01/01/japan/science-health/new-years-2024-earthquake/ The Japan Times]
| nominator     = PrinceofPunjab <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
Two major Tsunami warnings issued. It is getting significant international coverage. [[User:PrinceofPunjab|PrinceofPunjab]] ([[User talk:PrinceofPunjab|talk]]) 09:32, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

:'''Support''' - Biggest earthquake since Fukushima. Really bad news.s [[User:PrecariousWorlds|PrecariousWorlds]] ([[User talk:PrecariousWorlds|talk]]) 09:51, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Wait''' – No indication of significant impact yet besides tsunami warnings across the Japan Sea '''''[[User:Dora the Axe-plorer|Dora the Axe-plorer]]''''' ([[User talk:Dora the Axe-plorer|explore]]) 10:12, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Wait, leaning towards support''' This is already the headline of several news agencies around the world, but I think we should wait for further reports to get a clearer picture (with regards to the scale of this event). [[User:Vida0007|Vida0007]] ([[User talk:Vida0007|talk]]) 10:17, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Wait''' We need reports about the impact of the Tsunamis first, before we can make any assessment of the importance of this event. [[User:Nigej|Nigej]] ([[User talk:Nigej|talk]]) 10:39, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Support''' on notability. I've proposed an altblurb. --[[User:MtPenguinMonster|MtPenguinMonster]] ([[User talk:MtPenguinMonster|talk]]) 11:17, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Lean support, wait for now''' Blurb is too general, altblurb could be worked on a bit more. Impact of earthquake and tsunami has not been fully accessed as of now, but is worth a post due to the significance. [[User:Tofusaurus|Tofusaurus]] ([[User talk:Tofusaurus|talk]]) 11:23, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Wait''' Casualty and damage reports seem to be nonexistent or relatively minor at the moment, and the tsunami has been relatively weak. While geologically interesting I would say we have to wait and see if any further reports of damage comes up - a 7.5 has less than 1% of the energy of the Fukushima quake, after all. [[User:Juxlos|Juxlos]] ([[User talk:Juxlos|talk]]) 12:02, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Support''' - A 7.5 magnitude earthquake is considered a major earthquake. However, blurb is too general. [[User:Setarip|Setarip]] ([[User talk:Setarip|talk]]) 12:24, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Support''' - One of the biggest news to possibly come out in 2024. [[User:Kampolama|Kampolama]] ([[User talk:Kampolama|talk]]) 12:52, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Support''' Quality is there, and while the number of fatalities and casualties are low for how big this was, it was unusual to have occurred in the Sea of Japan (rather than from the Pacific Ocean), where the country is not as well set up for tsunamis or the like. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 14:49, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Conditional support''' but wait until more info regarding fatalities and the like is received. [[User:Iamstillqw3rty|'''<span style="color:#ff6ae4">q</span><span style="color:#dc79e9">w</span><span style="color:#b987ef">3</span><span style="color:#9696f4">r</span><span style="color:#73a4fa">t</span><span style="color:#50b3ff">y</span>''']] 15:55, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Wait/Oppose''', obviously. Can we actually wait for impact reports to come in before we demand a blurb for a natural disaster be posted? And as of right now, we have all of three fatalities reported, so as things stand that;s a no from me. This probably will rise to a higher fatality level, but as things stand we should not be posting. [[User:DarkSide830|DarkSide830]] ([[User talk:DarkSide830|talk]]) 17:41, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

:'''Support''' regardless of whether this is a comparative blip or Fukushima II: SOJ Boogaloo; definitionally a major earthquake. — [[User:Knightoftheswords281|<span style="background:black; color:white; padding:2px;">'''Knightof'''</span>]][[User talk:Knightoftheswords281|<span style="background:#70c6ff; color:black; padding:2px;">'''theswords'''</span>]] 18:36, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per above. [[User:Davey2116|Davey2116]] ([[User talk:Davey2116|talk]]) 19:18, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' major earthquake, and ITN has been really slow over the holiday season as the oldest entry is from December 18th. (Unironically, that entry is an earthquake.) [[User:Kcmastrpc|Kcmastrpc]] ([[User talk:Kcmastrpc|talk]]) 19:26, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' Good article on a natural disaster, in the news around the world, there is no "minimum death" requirement that needs to be met. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 19:28, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

==== Congo elections ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = 2023 Democratic Republic of the Congo general election <!-- Do not wikilink -->
| image         = Félix Tshisekedi in 2021.jpg<!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = [[Félix Tshisekedi]] ''(pictured)'' is '''[[2023 Democratic Republic of the Congo general election|re-elected]]''' as [[President of the Democratic Republic of the Congo]]. <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR          = yes <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/12/31/felix-tshisekedi-re-elected-dr-congo-president-election-commission-says Al Jazeera], [https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-67850563 BBC], [https://www.economist.com/leaders/2023/12/18/why-congos-chaotic-election-matters The Economist], [https://www.france24.com/en/africa/20231231-dr-congo-s-president-tshisekedi-wins-second-term-with-73-of-the-vote France24], [https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/31/world/africa/congo-election-results.html NYT],  [https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/12/31/congo-elections-explainer/ Washington Post]
| updated       = yes <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Andrew Davidson <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator       = Moondragon21  <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters      = WikiCleanerMan  <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}} The election seems to have been significantly chaotic and disputed but such opposition is more democratic than none at all. <!-- Additional comments go before here --> [[user:Andrew Davidson|Andrew]]🐉([[user talk:Andrew Davidson|talk]]) 08:05, 1 January 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->
*'''Oppose on quality''' as the article is a long way off from front page-level. [[User:The Kip|<span style="color:#333f42;">'''The'''</span>]] [[User talk:The Kip|<span style="color:#b4975a;">'''Kip'''</span>]] 08:12, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. Significant improvements in article quality would be needed to make this front-page-worthy. --[[User:MtPenguinMonster|MtPenguinMonster]] ([[User talk:MtPenguinMonster|talk]]) 11:19, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

:'''Oppose'''. Article quality needs to be improved [[User:Setarip|Setarip]] ([[User talk:Setarip|talk]]) 16:02, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

==== BRICS Expansion ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = BRICS<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = [[Egypt]], [[Ethiopia]], [[Iran]], [[Saudi Arabia]], and the [[United Arab Emirates]] join '''''[[BRICS]]'''''.
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb      = [[Egypt]], [[Ethiopia]], [[Iran]], [[Saudi Arabia]], and the [[United Arab Emirates]] join '''''[[BRICS]]'''''. [[Argentina]] was invited to join BRICS, but declined.
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-66525474.amp BBC] [https://www.economist.com/films/2023/12/28/will-the-brics-challenge-america-in-2024 The Economist]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = MtPenguinMonster <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator       = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}}
BRICS expands on January 1st. --[[User:MtPenguinMonster|MtPenguinMonster]] ([[User talk:MtPenguinMonster|talk]]) 06:49, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' Should we mention the rejection from Argentina? [[User:Unnamelessness|Unnamelessness]] ([[User talk:Unnamelessness|talk]]) 07:41, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

*'''Oppose''' Not significant and not in the news.  That a hapless state like Argentina can't see any point in joining this overblown acronym seems quite telling.  The article is a bloated and disorganised mess too. [[user:Andrew Davidson|Andrew]]🐉([[user talk:Andrew Davidson|talk]]) 10:50, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
*:What are you talking about?Wait until,January 1 when it takes effect and besides ,this was extensively covered in the news when this was announced during the latest BRICS summit [[Special:Contributions/5.193.27.221|5.193.27.221]] ([[User talk:5.193.27.221|talk]]) 13:47, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
*:Huh? It's being covered by several major news outlets, and I would consider the expansion of an intergovernmental organization by a factor of 2 pretty significant. [[User:Iamstillqw3rty|'''<span style="color:#ff6ae4">q</span><span style="color:#dc79e9">w</span><span style="color:#b987ef">3</span><span style="color:#9696f4">r</span><span style="color:#73a4fa">t</span><span style="color:#50b3ff">y</span>''']] 15:32, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
*::Just Andrew being contrarian. [[User:The Kip|<span style="color:#333f42;">'''The'''</span>]] [[User talk:The Kip|<span style="color:#b4975a;">'''Kip'''</span>]] 06:45, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Being covered pretty heavily in the news, and is significant in and of itself. [[User:Iamstillqw3rty|'''<span style="color:#ff6ae4">q</span><span style="color:#dc79e9">w</span><span style="color:#b987ef">3</span><span style="color:#9696f4">r</span><span style="color:#73a4fa">t</span><span style="color:#50b3ff">y</span>''']] 15:32, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Article is nowhere close to being ready to post. No comment yet on the significance, but the article must be improved first. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 16:02, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
*'''Support''' on significance, expansion of a major international organisation, no comment on article state. [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#947E00">Chaotıċ<span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:30deg;color:indigo">Enby</span></span>]]<span style="font-size:85%">([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|c]])</span> 17:23, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' what is in the news is Argentina not joining, which seems hardly notable. The quality of the article is also not there. [[Special:Contributions/2A02:908:676:E640:7830:DBEE:B63:525E|2A02:908:676:E640:7830:DBEE:B63:525E]] ([[User talk:2A02:908:676:E640:7830:DBEE:B63:525E|talk]]) 18:06, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
*:The others who are joining has been covered extensively before and was advised to post this on the 1st of January when this actually takes effect [[Special:Contributions/2001:8F8:1473:923D:6862:3256:F94F:6E4E|2001:8F8:1473:923D:6862:3256:F94F:6E4E]] ([[User talk:2001:8F8:1473:923D:6862:3256:F94F:6E4E|talk]]) 08:04, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' If we can regularly post the expansion of [[NATO]], then we should most definitely post the expansion of BRICS.--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 18:33, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
*:NATO expansion has far greater geopolitical impact and receives far greater coverage. [[User:BilledMammal|BilledMammal]] ([[User talk:BilledMammal|talk]]) 06:48, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
:'''Support''' due to how extensively it is being covered in the news [[User:Lukt64|Lukt64]] ([[User talk:Lukt64|talk]]) 18:41, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
* '''Comment''' other than the participation in an annual summit, does this membership mean anything?  BRICS does not have an equivalent to NATO's Article Five mutual defense pact. [[Special:Contributions/217.180.228.138|217.180.228.138]] ([[User talk:217.180.228.138|talk]]) 19:32, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
:* It gives you entry to the [[BRICS Games]]... [[user:Andrew Davidson|Andrew]]🐉([[user talk:Andrew Davidson|talk]]) 19:52, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
:* They have a [[New Development Bank|development bank]], a [[BRICS Contingent Reserve Arrangement|reserve agreement]] and plans for a common currency that would have to largely replace the US dollar in international trade. NATO is a toy compared to BRICS.--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 20:02, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
::* The [[New Development Bank|bank]] is rather separate now as it has non-BRICS countries as members, such as Bangladesh, while Russia's participation is currently limited due to "sound banking principles". [[user:Andrew Davidson|Andrew]]🐉([[user talk:Andrew Davidson|talk]]) 20:38, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
:::* The bank is fully operated by BRICS, so it’s certainly an affiliated institution. It’s just that they allowed non-BRICS members to join.--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 21:13, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
::::* No, that bank is not operated by BRICS because BRICS doesn't seem to have a permanent staff or secretariat.  The bank is a separate institution with its own staff while the BRICS countries are its main shareholders.  So, BRICS seems to be modelled on the [[G7]] and [[G20]] which likewise started in an informal way and whose main focus is the summits which are organised by member countries in rotation.  These associations are thus different in structure from institutions like the EU, UN and Commonwealth who do have a permanent staff and secretariat. [[user:Andrew Davidson|Andrew]]🐉([[user talk:Andrew Davidson|talk]]) 21:52, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
:::::* It’s a separate institution, but it’s controlled by the BRICS countries, which have voting power and appoint its president on a rotational basis. UN organisations operate in the exactly same way. IMF Executive Board is not elected by the UN General Assembly, but it doesn’t mean the IMF is not a UN organisation.--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 22:39, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
*'''Support on notability, oppose on quality''' per above. [[User:The Kip|<span style="color:#333f42;">'''The'''</span>]] [[User talk:The Kip|<span style="color:#b4975a;">'''Kip'''</span>]] 06:44, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

:'''Strongest possible support''' - [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates&oldid=1172494102#BRICS_Expansion As I promised 126 days ago]. BRICS is a highly notable international organisation, especially in times like these.  [[User:PrecariousWorlds|PrecariousWorlds]] ([[User talk:PrecariousWorlds|talk]]) 10:04, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose on quality''' Very little in the article about the actual expansion. [[User:Nigej|Nigej]] ([[User talk:Nigej|talk]]) 10:44, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

:'''Support''' [[User:Setarip|Setarip]] ([[User talk:Setarip|talk]]) 16:01, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' – Though I also think we should consider a blurb that mentions Argentina's rejection of membership, as it seems to be a key part of this BRICS expansion. [[User:DecafPotato|DecafPotato]] ([[User talk:DecafPotato|talk]]) 21:29, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
*:I've added an altblurb which mentions Argentina declining to join BRICS. --[[User:MtPenguinMonster|MtPenguinMonster]] ([[User talk:MtPenguinMonster|talk]]) 00:18, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
*:Whether a rejection of membership or declining to join, it seems clear to me that Argentina has ''no'' part in this BRICS expansion. The other five clearly do, for the exact opposite reason. Anyway, it doesn't need a new sentence and unique tense; adding {{tq|, and Argentina declines.}} is enough, if anything must be said of the ''non''-factor. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 01:01, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''', not a serious organization. <span style="font-family: Cambria;"> [[User:Abductive|<span style="color: teal;">'''Abductive'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Abductive|reasoning]])</span> 06:36, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - A look at the article shows me that it needs work, as noted above, but that fact is not a deal-breaker, and that the BRICS expansion is clearly notable and In-the-News-worthy. Im OK with either blurb. [[User:Jusdafax|Jusdafax]] ([[User talk:Jusdafax|talk]]) 17:00, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' if anyone on this planet thinks that an organization where India and China have to work together to do anything will ever do anything, I have several bridges I'd like to sell them. [[User:AryKun|AryKun]] ([[User talk:AryKun|talk]]) 19:05, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
*'''Theoretically support, but oppose due to quality issues''' This seems important enough to post, but the article's quality isn't good enough to post it. [[User:Blaylockjam10|Blaylockjam10]] ([[User talk:Blaylockjam10|talk]]) 23:32, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

==== (Closed) Steamboat Willie in the public domain ====
{{atop
| status = 
| result = Good faith nom but this is already scheduled for WP:TFP. Consensus to also post at ITN is unlikely to develop. -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 04:00, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Steamboat Willie
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = '''''[[Steamboat Willie]]''''', the first appearance of [[Mickey Mouse]], enters the [[public domain]].
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb      = '''''[[Steamboat Willie]]''''', the first appearance of [[Mickey Mouse]], enters the [[public domain in the United States]].
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [https://www.theguardian.com/film/2023/dec/28/copyright-mickey-mouse-steamboat-willie The Guardian], [https://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/30/business/disney-copyright-mickey-mouse-expire-2024/index.html CNN], [https://apnews.com/article/mickey-mouse-public-domain-disney-minnie-tigger-1dbfa3982a172334503bc8cf87302b6f AP]
| updated       = no
| nominator     = Masem <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator       = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
}}
Obviously, this should not be posted until Jan 1 ticks over. The article does need sourcing improvement before it can be posted, but it does have a section dedicated to this copyright aspect, which has been one of those things that copyright experts have been anticipating for years and the fact Disney did not try to extend its copyright (though there's other protections around this). --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 16:47, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
* '''Stand in line''' [[WP:TFP]] has been [[Wikipedia_talk:Picture_of_the_day#Steamboat_Willie|planning and working]] on this for some time and so should get first crack at it.  Maybe ITN can blurb it after that. [[user:Andrew Davidson|Andrew]]🐉([[user talk:Andrew Davidson|talk]]) 17:33, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
**If TFP will be hosting this on Jan 1, then that absolutely makes sense to leave it there and not duplicate to ITN.<span id="Masem:1703968054578:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> —&nbsp;[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 20:27, 30 December 2023 (UTC)</span>
* '''Support once ready/once POTD is posted'''. I can't think of a film more historic and ground-breaking than this. The fact that Disney does not prevent this film from entering public domain is also pretty surprising, as normally, film studios try to keep their films copyrighted for as long as possible. Definitely an ITN event (also given that notable media talks about this) in my eyes. - [[User:CDE34RFV|CDE34RFV]] ([[User talk:CDE34RFV|talk]]) 17:37, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
* Let the POTD folks do it first. Afterwards, would be happy to '''support'''. [[User:Iamstillqw3rty|'''<span style="color:#ff6ae4">q</span><span style="color:#dc79e9">w</span><span style="color:#b987ef">3</span><span style="color:#9696f4">r</span><span style="color:#73a4fa">t</span><span style="color:#50b3ff">y</span>''']] 18:23, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' This isn't "news" in the sense of what ITN posts. The update to the article in the copyright section is minimal. It is also unclear to me from that section whether or not Disney's use of Steamboat Willie as a logo is allowing them to extend copyright, or why they didn't try. POTD is perfect for this case (assuming it really does enter public domain). &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 19:29, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
**They remain to have the ''trademark'' on the Steamboat Willie version of Mickey, but they no longer have copyright after Jan. 1. This is very clear from the sources.<span id="Masem:1703968014406:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> —&nbsp;[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 20:26, 30 December 2023 (UTC)</span>
**:I imagine I'm not the only person who is unclear on the difference between trademark and copyright, and SchroCat's point below further hardens my oppose. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 20:43, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
* '''Oppose'''. I think I’m right in saying that it’s not been in copyright in some other jurisdictions for a while, and it coming out in one territory is hardly news. - [[User:SchroCat|SchroCat]] ([[User talk:SchroCat|talk]]) 19:34, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
* '''Oppose''' another "hook" news story.  Every year a lot of stuff goes into the public domain in different countries.  This specific example has been talked about a fair amount because of Disney's lobbying for the 1998 [[Copyright Term Extension Act]].  But it is not "news". [[Special:Contributions/217.180.228.138|217.180.228.138]] ([[User talk:217.180.228.138|talk]]) 20:56, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per all above. [[User:Alsoriano97|_-_Alsor]] ([[User talk:Alsoriano97|talk]]) 22:46, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
* '''Oppose''' This isn't news. It's something that was always going to happen. [[User:HiLo48|HiLo48]] ([[User talk:HiLo48|talk]]) 01:14, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
*:So are solar and lunar eclipses (which are ITNR) not newsworthy because {{tq|it's something that was always going to happen}}. — [[User:Knightoftheswords281|<span style="background:black; color:white; padding:2px;">'''Knightof'''</span>]][[User talk:Knightoftheswords281|<span style="background:#70c6ff; color:black; padding:2px;">'''theswords'''</span>]] 01:29, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
*::Solar and lunar eclipses really aren't newsworthy, IMHO. [[User:HiLo48|HiLo48]] ([[User talk:HiLo48|talk]]) 01:41, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
*:::Hear, hear. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 02:50, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. Not news now, has been known for some time. We're already featuring it at POTD which is quite sufficient. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 02:14, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
{{abot}}