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''Archived discussion for [[January 2010]] from [[Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates]].''
==January 31==
{{Portal:Current events/2010 January 31}}
===ITN candidates for January 31===
====Mexico student party massacre====
Anything for [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8490366.stm this]? --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 21:14, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Wait for details'''. The BBC article linked suggests this may be linked to drug violence which, sadly, is not that uncommon in Mexico. However, I'll likely support once all the details are known. Any sign of an article or shall I start one? [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJ Mitchell'''</font>]] | [[User_Talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">fancy a chat? </font>]]  21:30, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''Support''' Article ?--[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'''</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 04:36, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

====2010 Australian Open (men's tennis)====
[[File:Federer 2007 cropped.jpg|right|100x100px|Roger Federer, the 2010 Australian Open men's singles champion]]
The [[2010 Australian Open]] finishes in [[Melbourne]] on 31st January. If [[Andy Murray]] wins the final, he will be the first [[United Kingdom|Briton]] to win a [[Grand Slam (tennis)|Grand Slam]] since 1936. [[User:ISD|ISD]] ([[User talk:ISD|talk]]) 18:43, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
:Doesn't [[Virginia Wade]] count then? [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 21:40, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
::Sorry, I mean the first British man since 1936 to win a Grand Slam, and the first Scotsman to ever win one. [[User:ISD|ISD]] ([[User talk:ISD|talk]]) 11:42, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Well [[Roger Federer]]'s taken the first two sets, so it looks like Murray is continuing the great British tradition of not winning. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 10:19, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
And now, from the ITN/C breaking news service:
*In [[tennis]], [[Roger Federer]] ''(pictured)'' wins the '''[[2010 Australian Open]]''' [[2010 Australian Open – Men's Singles|men's singles]] title, while [[Serena Williams]] wins the [[2010 Australian Open – Women's Singles|women's singles]] title.

:: Federer has just won 3-0 after a third set tie breaker. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 11:29, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
::I assume that someone will be updating [[2010 Australian Open]] with a match report, as they did yesterday for Serena Williams. It is pretty much impossible to put the update on Roger Federer, the guy has just won too much! [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 11:39, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' The women's result is already up so the men's result which happened a while ago should be up as well.--[[User talk:Giants27|<font face="Bauhaus 93" color="black" size="3">Giants</font>]][[User:Giants27|<font face="Bauhaus 93" color="black" size="3">27</font>]]<small>([[Special:Contributions/Giants27|<span style="color:black;">Contribs</span>]]<nowiki>|</nowiki>[[WP:CFL|<span style="color:black;">WP:CFL</span>]])</small> 17:29, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
::If nobody can be bothered to write at least a couple more sentences with a couple more references about the match then sorry, it shouldn't go up. Compare the [[2010 Australian Open#Day 14 (31 January)|description of the men's final]] with [[2010 Australian Open#Day 13 (30 January)|description of the women's final]] just above it! [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 17:38, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
:::I have added Federer to the blurb, the match section has been updated enough now.  I will swap it over to his image in a short while - [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 19:23, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

====2010 Africa Cup of Nations====
* The [[2010 African Cup of Nations]] is to conclude in [[Angola]]. --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 02:38, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
**Final is between [[Egypt national football team|Egypt]] and [[Ghana national football team|Ghana]]: result around 1800 UTC. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 21:36, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' once result is known and article updated (also on ITNR). [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 17:08, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' See my reasoning below.--[[User talk:Giants27|<font face="Bauhaus 93" color="black" size="3">Giants</font>]][[User:Giants27|<font face="Bauhaus 93" color="black" size="3">27</font>]]<small>([[Special:Contributions/Giants27|<span style="color:black;">Contribs</span>]]<nowiki>|</nowiki>[[WP:CFL|<span style="color:black;">WP:CFL</span>]])</small> 17:27, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
From the ITN/C breaking news service:
*In [[Association football|football]], [[Egypt national football team|Egypt]] beat [[Ghana national football team|Ghana]] 1–0 to win the '''[[2010 Africa Cup of Nations]]''', their third successive title, while [[Togo national football team|Togo]] is '''[[Togo national football team#January 2010 bus ambush and ban|excluded]]''' from the next two editions of the [[Africa Cup of Nations|tournament]].
See below for the discussion about the second half of the blurb. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 18:00, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' including both somehow if any more support is needed. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 21:10, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
::And, according to the [http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/africa/8489708.stm BBC], Egypt's win is a record seventh if any more reason is needed. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 21:12, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
Posted. -- '''[[User:Tariqabjotu|<span style="color:black;">tariq</span><span style="color:gray;">abjotu</span>]]''' 03:09, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

====52nd Grammy Awards====
Normally you guys should include the Record and Album of the Year awards. &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 04:56, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
:Awards telecast is 0030–0330 UTC Monday. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 09:50, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

:"[[Use Somebody]]" by American (but more popular in the UK until recently) band [[Kings of Leon]] won Record of the Year. &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 02:26, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
::The article has been updated. &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 06:11, 1 February 2010 (UTC) Suggested blurb:
[[File:TaylorSwiftApr09.jpg|80px|right|Taylor Swift]]
*Singer [[Taylor Swift]] ''(pictured)'' wins [[Grammy Award for Album of the Year|Album of the Year]] for ''[[Fearless (album)|Fearless]]'' and rock band [[Kings of Leon]] wins [[Grammy Award for Record of the Year|Record of the Year]] for "[[Use Somebody]]" at the '''[[52nd Grammy Awards]]''' held at [[Los Angeles]].
:I was thinking of using a Kings of Leon photo but the photos were bad at 80px. &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 06:19, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
::Posted, thanks - [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 08:15, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
:::I dont wanna be kanye west here but it looks awfully odd that beyonce isnt mentioned in blurb with her record 6 wins in single grammy, since that seems to be the main news for this grammy awards. -- [[User:Ashishg55|Ashish]][[User talk:Ashishg55|-g55]] 14:10, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
::::Agree. Beyoncé seems to be the news. (And we have lots of pictures of her.) -[[User:SusanLesch|SusanLesch]] ([[User talk:SusanLesch|talk]]) 17:46, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::I seem to be in a minority, but I prefer to look at Taylor Swift! ;) There's a discussion about this going on at [[WP:ERRORS]] if people want to chip in. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJ Mitchell'''</font>]] | [[User_Talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">fancy a chat? </font>]]  18:39, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::no i also prefer taylor's pic. but beyonce should be mentioned besides her. -- [[User:Ashishg55|Ashish]][[User talk:Ashishg55|-g55]] 18:45, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

====Togo banned for four years and fined after team bus attack====
[[File:Togo-nationalmannschaft.jpg|right|100x100px|Togo national football team in 2006]]
[http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/africa/8489127.stm (BBC Sport)]. I have learned a lot in recent months about the ways and rules of football authorities but this seems like a new low... --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 00:50, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
:I have expanded it and offer: <code> The '''[[Togo national football team]]''' ''(pictured'') are fined $50,000 and banned from the [[2012 Africa Cup of Nations|2012]] and [[2014 Africa Cup of Nations|2014]] [[Africa Cup of Nations]] for withdrawing from the [[2010 Africa Cup of Nations|2010]] tournament following the [[Togo national football team attack|fatal attack on their team bus]].</code> --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 01:11, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
::FIFA suspending teams after withdrawing from an international tournament sounds like normal fare. &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 01:52, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Even after they've been attacked? --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 01:58, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Normal fare? When is the last time this happened? [[User talk:Algebraist|Algebraist]] 02:00, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
::::I don't know, I was hoping someone might. It seems this has happened more often than I thought, oh well. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 02:09, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::the only reason i would ''''oppose''' is because we already posted the attack on the bus. if we hadnt posted that then this would have full support. -- [[User:Ashishg55|Ashish]][[User talk:Ashishg55|-g55]] 02:15, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::'''Comment''' We are due to post the final of the [[2010 Africa Cup of Nations]] later today.  Are we going to consider doing both items?  They're related but I'm not sure how to put them in a single blurb easily.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 04:03, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Sporting federations such as FIFA always suspend a team when they withdraw from a tournament when the tourney is ongoing, no matter what is the reason except when an entire team dies. [[FIBA]] suspended the [[Philippine national basketball team]] in the 1960s, for example, while they didn't suspend the Krygyzstan national basketball team when they didn't play in the [[FIBA Asia Under-18 Championship 2008]] when the entire team perished in a plane crash. &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 04:21, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::Well... apparently [http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/piersedwards/2010/01/caf_decision_over_togo_makes_n.html "not since Buckingham Palace took so long to respond Princess Diana's death in 1997 has an organisation so badly misjudged the mood of the public"]. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 04:47, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::Hyperbole again? I would accept this being a part of the Africa Cup of Nations blurb when the final is done, but not on its own. &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 04:54, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::Probably. How about a mention in the "UK Soccer" section of the website of [http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2010/01/30/sports/sports-uk-soccer-nations-togo-appeal.html ''The New York Times'']? --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 04:59, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::::Or [http://blogs.aljazeera.net/africa/2010/01/30/crime-togos-punishment "The crime of Togo's punishment"] on Al Jazeera? --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 05:02, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I'd bet it's not even the top story on either the NYT or Al-Jazeera. &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 07:45, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
'''Oppose''' as a separate blurb.  That would be three blurbs for the [[Africa Cup of Nations]], two on the same day.  Possible support if it can be fitted into the the blurb on the final winner, but I really see the actual winner of the tournament as bigger news than this.  That said, if England were banned from the European Football Championship, I'm sure we would be posting that.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 05:21, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' a blurb like "Ghagypt beats Egyana 1–0 to win the '''[[2010 Africa Cup of Nations]]''', while [[Togo national football team|Togo]] is '''[[Togo national football team#January 2010 bus ambush and ban|excluded]]''' from the next two editions of the [[Africa Cup of Nations|tournament]]." [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 09:56, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''Support''' - its pretty notable for a team to be kicked out of two editions of such a big tournament, especially given the circumstances. However, there is a logical reason for why its happened and that because the Togolese government told the team to withdraw (the majority of players and staff were willing to stay), which isn't allowed because because its considered government interference, which is itself not allowed. As such, they've been penalised not for actually withdrawing, but for the fact that the government told them to  --[[User:Daviessimo|Daviessimo]] ([[User talk:Daviessimo|talk]]) 10:41, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Then this is somewhat more frequent, FIFA suspending federations due to government interference, but the "sentence" is quite harsh. &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 10:54, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
::::Quite. The [[Confederation of African Football]] (CAF) had discretion as to whether to suspend the team or not, it would have been wiser to use it in this case. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 11:11, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::We should wait. I'm betting FIFA would rescind or lessen the punishment. If they lift the suspension this is a non-story. &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 11:22, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::But it is the severity of the punishment that makes this notable. Yugoslavia was only banned for one tournament when they where bombing the hell out of their neighbours, so for Togo to be punished like this is quite frankly remarkable --[[User:Daviessimo|Daviessimo]] ([[User talk:Daviessimo|talk]]) 11:33, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::::When the final is over and FIFA still hasn't rescinded, it can be added along with the final result. I'd oppose a separate blurb or adding it before the final is over. &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 11:38, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::::'''Comment'''--FIFA did not issue this ban and have made no comment regarding it.[http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/africa/8489127.stm 1]  I think it can be reasonably assumed that they don't support it but they're not going to interfere with CAF.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 13:58, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::I'd answer this below. &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 14:11, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' This is about as far from normal as you could get. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 11:28, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
:''Comment''. Although the CAF [http://www.cafonline.com/competition/african-cup-of-nations-angola_2010/news/4587-togos-withdrawal.html press release] says the sanction is for government interference, the sanction is based on a forfeit by the team (Art.&nbsp;78, [http://www.cafonline.com/userfiles/file/CAN2010Eng.pdf CAN Regulations]), not on a withdrawal (Arts.&nbsp;80–85). Makes it all the more ludicrous, but at least it gives the CAF a way out if it chooses to take it. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 12:06, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
:''Support'' - worldwide importance - [[User:TouLouse|TouLouse]] ([[User talk:TouLouse|talk]]) 13:46, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''Question'''--Togo is [http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2010/01/30/sports/sports-uk-soccer-nations-togo-appeal.html appealing] the ban; is it worth waiting to see if the ban is rescinded?  I think given the reaction to it, it's a possibility.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 13:53, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
:::I'd say wait until Togo has exhausted all means for reconsideration. &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 14:11, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
::::Will it be remembered then? The rest of the world (outside Africa anyway) might have moved on. And what exactly is Togo's last option? --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 16:27, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' if combined with the result of the final. Certainly extremely unusual. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 17:10, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' Per Modest Genius, unusual but since the original attack was posted it's best to combine it with the final result.--[[User talk:Giants27|<font face="Bauhaus 93" color="black" size="3">Giants</font>]][[User:Giants27|<font face="Bauhaus 93" color="black" size="3">27</font>]]<small>([[Special:Contributions/Giants27|<span style="color:black;">Contribs</span>]]<nowiki>|</nowiki>[[WP:CFL|<span style="color:black;">WP:CFL</span>]])</small> 17:25, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''This is a totally separate story to the final. It absolutely no surprise to see it being tarpitted into oblivion though. Posting it with the (very imminent) final result of the ACN would be an absolute utter joke. As ever, ITN is an utter joke. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 17:28, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
:Learn to take rejection a little better please. i am getting tired of you continously calling ITN a "joke". looking at figures physic posted at main page talk i would say ITN does a pretty decent job. I opposed to this story and others have compromised to add it in single blurb. i will change to '''support''' for single blurb too. i see nothing wrong with it since ITN has limited space. -- [[User:Ashishg55|Ashish]][[User talk:Ashishg55|-g55]] 00:21, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support'''To me it's seems to be quite an unusual step, instead of supporting a victimized team, FIFA bans it! I think football is the most followed sport currently. Well we may decide whether to combine it with final story or not.--[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'''</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 04:14, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

====[[Wittelsbach-Graff Diamond]]====
There's something important going on here I think but is it important enough? [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8488183.stm (BBC)] [http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/world/2010/0130/1224263436144.html (''The Irish Times'')] [http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/7103328/Graff-accused-of-painting-over-a-Rembrandt-by-gemologists.html (''The Daily Telegraph'')] --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 05:17, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
:Interesting.  Article needs an update.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 05:30, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

==January 30==
{{Portal:Current events/2010 January 30}}
===ITN candidates for January 30===
====12 dead and at least 20 missing in boat incident====
*[http://beta.thehindu.com/news/national/article97319.ece (''The Hindu'')] [http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0130/india.html (RTÉ)] [http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Hindu-Pilgrims-Drown-As-Crowded-Boat-Capsizes-In-Indian-State-Of-Andhra-Pradesh/Article/201001415538647?lpos=World_News_First_World_News_Article_Teaser_Region_1&lid=ARTICLE_15538647_Hindu_Pilgrims_Drown_As_Crowded_Boat_Capsizes_In_Indian_State_Of_Andhra_Pradesh (Sky News)] [http://www.etaiwannews.com/etn/news_content.php?id=1168892&lang=eng_news (''Taiwan News'')]. According to [http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/01/30/india.boat.capsize/ CNN], the dead include four women and one child. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 19:46, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Weak Oppose''' i'm not sure that is really important. - [[User:TouLouse|TouLouse]] ([[User talk:TouLouse|talk]]) 20:29, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

====Australian Open (women's tennis)====
[[File:Serena Williams July 2008.jpg|right|100x100px|Serena Williams, 2010 Australian Open Women's Singles Champion]]
Currently in the final set. Apparently an exciting match, but I've only got text commentary :( [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 10:26, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
:And from the ITN/C breaking news service:
*'''[[Serena Williams]]''' ''(pictured)'' beats [[Justine Henin]] in three sets to win her fifth [[2010 Australian Open – Women's Singles|Women's Singles title]] at the [[2010 Australian Open|Australian Open]].
:Now we just need an article update! [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 10:58, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
::We have to '''wait''' until tomorrow when will ends the '''[[2010 Australian Open|men's singles]]''' to mix in one blurb - [[User:TouLouse|TouLouse]] ([[User talk:TouLouse|talk]]) 11:08, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
:::No we don't, that would be silly. We can post the women's result now, and then mix the blurbs tomorrow. That's what we do as a standard on developing stories – we certainly don't delay a story artificially! [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 11:19, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
::::I agree with Physchim62. After all, if [[Andy Murray]] wins tomorrow it will become an even bigger news story, as will be the first British man to win a Grand Slam since 1936 and the first Scotsman ever to win a Grand Slam. [[User:ISD|ISD]] ([[User talk:ISD|talk]]) 11:22, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
:::We waited [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:In_the_news&diff=next&oldid=267818067 last year] and what was the result? People were typing "Serena Williams" into the search box [http://stats.grok.se/en/200901/Serena%20Williams on the day of the women's final], but fewer were clicking on the link [http://stats.grok.se/en/200902/Serena_Williams the day after] when the ITN story was posted. ITN serves as a simple set of links for people to access stories that are "in the news": to artificially delay a story as we did last year and as TouLouse wants to do this year is to go against the ''raison d'être'' of the Main Page section. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 11:57, 30 January 2010 (UTC)..
::::'''Support''' Let's post it right away. (Edit--support pending article update--The [[Serena Williams]] article has adequate prose update but isn't sourced.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 12:17, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::I've added a couple of sources for the result. The update isn't glorious, but the content is uncontroversial. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 12:37, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::I'd agree with posting if you add something to the article and hook make it a bit more historically informative. How about [http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/tennis/8489161.stm Serena Williams draws level with Billie-Jean King in the all-time Grand Slam winners' list with victory at the Australian Open] (noting that I copied that from the BBC article)? The update [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Grand_Slam_Women%27s_Singles_champions&diff=340879417&oldid=340189294 here] has been made to [[List of Grand Slam Women's Singles champions]]. [[User:Carcharoth|Carcharoth]] ([[User talk:Carcharoth|talk]]) 17:31, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::::I hardly see how getting to be joint-sixth on a list is more particularly ITN worthy than winning a major sports tournament. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 18:22, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::::She has won it four times before and won eleven other Grand Slam titles, and is the world number one woman's tennis player. Henin played well (and I wanted her to win), but it's not like it was a surprise that Williams won. I'm not objecting to posting, but sport updates don't really tell the reader any more than "this player/team won the event". As you said yourself, ''"The update isn't glorious"''. The ITN entry can just announce the event and result, but the article needs to go further, to have updates and reactions to the story. For that, you need to wait and see what the news services write about this victory. Ditto for tomorrow - if Murray wins, there will be a lot of news coverage and the article will be updated over the next few days - it is those updates (which lag by a day or two) that we should be showcasing, not just the result. Anyway, per Bradjamesbrown, '''post it now''' and edit the blurb to include tomorrow's men's final. [[User:Carcharoth|Carcharoth]] ([[User talk:Carcharoth|talk]]) 18:56, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Post it now''' and edit the blurb to include tomorrow's men's final. [[User:Bradjamesbrown is travelling|Bradjamesbrown is travelling]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|Talk to my master]]) 16:33, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Post it now''' - the admins seem to be bottling it and pretending not to notice until they can merge them anyway. Why do we have to wait for it to be old news? <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User: SteveRwanda| SteveRwanda]] ([[User talk: SteveRwanda|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/ SteveRwanda|contribs]])  20:58, 30 January 2010 </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
::Posted.  I changed the blurb a bit to clarify that it was her fifth win at the Australian Open, not overall - [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 23:41, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
:::I have also changed the bolded article to the event which is how (I think) I remember we do sports events.  The event article has a reasonable bit on the match - [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 23:47, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

==January 29==
{{Portal:Current events/2010 January 29}}
===ITN candidates for January 29===

====Korean situation====
I think an article is needed about the [http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/world/2010-01/29/c_13155902.htm current conflict] event between [[North Korea|North]] and [[South Korea]]. Any thoughts? - [[User:TouLouse|TouLouse]] ([[User talk:TouLouse|talk]]) 19:09, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
*[[Korean War|State of War]] on the [[Korean Peninsula]] enters its seventh decade? (actually, that won't be until 25&nbsp;June) [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 08:34, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
::These flare ups are rather common in Korea, and it doesn't seem to affect the North/South Korea relationship much.  If it resulted in a significant worsening of ties, then maybe.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 12:20, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

====Toyota Recall====
[[2010 Toyota Vehicle Recall]] is the article and its decently updated already. 2.3 mil cars worldwide recalled with stoppage in 6 production plants and sales of all recalled cars is quite a big deal. Acceleration pedal sticking isnt a small deal to begin with. This is major news in pretty much all news papers and the headline in all business sections. Toyota is biggest car company in the world. I will give it a '''support''' for being international news affecting many people world wide. -- [[User:Ashishg55|Ashish]][[User talk:Ashishg55|-g55]] 16:02, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

:'''Support''' Was going to post this myself after seeing it on the [http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8487984.stm BBC]. - [[User:JuneGloom07|<font color="Purple" face="Arial">'''JuneGloom07'''</font>]]  [[User_Talk:JuneGloom07|<font color="Green" face="Times New Roman">Talk? </font>]] 16:33, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''Support''', clearly of international interest. Possible caption ..Following the discovery of an accelerator pedal fault [[Toyota]] announces the '''[[2010 Toyota Vehicle Recall|recall of 7.5 million vehicles]]''' worldwide.  [[User:Yorkshiresky|yorkshiresky]] ([[User talk:Yorkshiresky|talk]]) 18:15, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
:::'''Support''' I like it, the story is good, and that the article about it is pretty well-developed is a bonus. [[User:Random89|<span style="color:#3B9C9C;">Random</span>]][[User Talk:Random89|<span style="color:#F87217;">89</span>]] 19:18, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''Support''', I'd been wondering when we should post this. 2.3M cars is '''''a lot of cars'''''! far larger than any other product recall I can remember. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 19:34, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
::However, [[2010 Toyota Vehicle Recall]] (''sic'') has a quite justified orange tag on it... work is needed (and not just at Toyota). [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 19:40, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' once the article is ready.  [[User:Bradjamesbrown is travelling|Bradjamesbrown is travelling]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|Talk to my master]]) 19:41, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
::even though the tag is there i dont see what can we put to make it more international since it already mentions that recall was extended to europe and china. i think its big enough for ITN right now and it will improve once its on main page. -- [[User:Ashishg55|Ashish]][[User talk:Ashishg55|-g55]] 19:53, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
:::'''Support''', as not knowing much about the car industry I came here to ask if this was a large enough recall and finding it already nominated I will support as well. If it has its own article it must be unusual. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 21:26, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support''' '''[[User:YellowMonkey|<span style="color:GoldenRod;">YellowMonkey</span>]]'''  (''[[User_talk:YellowMonkey|<span style="color:#FA8605;">bananabucket</span>]]'')  23:02, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support'''Major recall, involves the world's largest automaker.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 00:01, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
::Posting soon. --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 00:06, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
:::woh i didnt notice before. it should not be 7.5 mil, only 2.3 since the rest are not for accelerator fault but rather the size of mat. we can say 7.5 but then we should also mention that its the total for accelerator and floor mat. -- [[User:Ashishg55|Ashish]][[User talk:Ashishg55|-g55]] 00:18, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
::::How is it now? --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 00:23, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::thanks for fast fix -- [[User:Ashishg55|Ashish]][[User talk:Ashishg55|-g55]] 00:26, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::actually im still not sure about the numbers. since the article says 5.2 mil for mats and 2.3 for pedal but it doesnt say that they are mutually exclusive. i will research more in a bit but hopefully someone will give the proper number in [[WP:ERRORS]]. -- [[User:Ashishg55|Ashish]][[User talk:Ashishg55|-g55]] 00:31, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::::I was just coming here to mention that.  The [http://pressroom.toyota.com/pr/tms/toyota/toyota-files-voluntary-safety-152979.aspx Toyota Press Release] says "2.3 million vehicles to correct sticking accelerator pedals", "separate from the on-going recall of approximately 4.2 million" for floor mats and "Approximately 1.7 million Toyota Division vehicles are subject to both separate recall actions".  Therefore the number is 4.8 million (2.3 plus 4.2 minus 1.7) by my reckoning.  I'll fix the article - [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 00:43, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Sorry, that was just for the original recall, there have been others since.  Apparently the worldwide recall [http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2010/0129/Toyota-recall-update-dealers-face-full-lots-anxious-customers currently stands at 9 million].  I'll mention that in the article (and ref it) - [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 00:46, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
:Guess what, [[Honda]] joined the club. [http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/jan/29/honda-jazz-toyota-recall] --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 06:51, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
::And [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8489079.stm Peugeot]. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 05:28, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

====The Iraq Inquiry====
For those unfamiliar with the topic, please allow me to explain this before making up your minds. [[Tony Blair]], the prime minister who took the UK to war in Iraq is to give evidence to [[The Iraq Inquiry]], the most comprehensive inquiry into the Iraq War which is investigating everything from the legality of the war to the type of boots worn. This is attracting attention from media across the world- [http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/29/AR2010012900644.html ''The Washington Post''], [http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe/01/28/england.iraq.inquiry/ CNN], [http://english.aljazeera.net/news/europe/2010/01/201012963753131636.html Al Jazeera!]. Although the article, [[The Iraq Inquiry]], does not meet our criteria, [[List of witnesses of The Iraq Inquiry]] most certainly is sufficiently updated and up to date. Suggested blurb:
*Former [[Prime Minister of the United Kingdom|British Prime Minister]] [[Tony Blair]] '''[[List of witnesses of The Iraq Inquiry#January 29|gives evidence]]''' to [[The Iraq Inquiry]].
--[[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJ Mitchell'''</font>]] | [[User_Talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">fancy a chat? </font>]]  08:54, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
::I can't see how this story is going to work. We need an update to an article somewhere that goes beyond what is said in the blurb and that gives background information to the news story. We can only do that once Blair has been questioned, and there's no single page where the update would easily fit. We can't just report what he said, that would be for Wikisource (and it's copyright anyway). We can't just say that he appears, because that can be summarized in the one-sentence blurb.
::Also, if we do run it, we shouldn't just call it "The Iraq Inquiry" in the blurb, as most readers will not know what we're talking about. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 09:17, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
:::An update at [[List of witnesses of The Iraq Inquiry]] with a summary of his evidence and possibly the surrounding events (there are quite a few protesters outside making a bit of noise) would, I would have thought, be sufficient. The inquiry article is effectively a stub and an update there wouldn't fit. Even if it isn't a huge chunk of prose, the list is a far better place to put it. As for the name, it's called [[The Iraq Inquiry]] and it's linked for those who wish to read about it in context. To call it anything else would seem strange. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJ Mitchell'''</font>]] | [[User_Talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">fancy a chat? </font>]]  09:36, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
::::'''Oppose, for now''' Unless he says something shocking. If not, we can wait until the commission gives its final report.[[User:Random89|<span style="color:#3B9C9C;">Random</span>]][[User Talk:Random89|<span style="color:#F87217;">89</span>]] 19:52, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
*'''oppose''' unless/until someone lands a big hit '''[[User:YellowMonkey|<span style="color:GoldenRod;">YellowMonkey</span>]]'''  (''[[User_talk:YellowMonkey|<span style="color:#FA8605;">bananabucket</span>]]'')  23:03, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

====Big step forward in fusion power?====
BBC announced[http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8485669.stm] that a breakthrough was made at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory yesterday, giving hopes that fusion power might become practical in the near future.  --[[Special:Contributions/131.188.3.20|131.188.3.20]] ([[User talk:131.188.3.20|talk]]) 11:28, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
:It's a fairly technical 'breakthrough', which apparently just turned out to not be as big a problem as they thought it was going to be (rather than an actual problem that was overcome), so I'm going to '''oppose'''. If/when someone gets more energy out than they put in, we can post that. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 17:16, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

:I'm not sure if this is notable enough<s>, but in any case the information should be added to [[HiPER]] first</s>.--[[User:Roentgenium111|Roentgenium111]] ([[User talk:Roentgenium111|talk]]) 17:12, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
:I just noted that the info is present in the correct article [[National Ignition Facility|NIF]]. Since the result is apparently highly praised by a competing experiment's team, this makes a '''support''' from me. --[[User:Roentgenium111|Roentgenium111]] ([[User talk:Roentgenium111|talk]]) 17:21, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

==January 28==
{{Portal:Current events/2010 January 28}}
===ITN candidates for January 28===

====Bernanke re-appointed as Fed chief====
[[File:Ben Bernanke official portrait cropped.jpg|right|100x100px|Ben Bernanke, Chairman of the United States Federal Reserve]]
*The [[U.S. Senate]] votes to give '''[[Ben Bernanke]]''' a second term as [[chair of the Federal Reserve|chair]] of the [[Federal Reserve]].
**Hugely important to Wall Street types and the most hotly contested Fed appointment ever. Only three paragraphs about his re-appointment in his article, but we tend to ignore that criterion when it comes to the election of political leaders. Bernanke was the 2009 [[Time Person of the Year]]. -- [[User:Mwalcoff|Mwalcoff]] ([[User talk:Mwalcoff|talk]]) 00:55, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' Stock markets around the world are always looking at Wall Street, US economic data, Us monetary policy, Greenspan, Bernanke etc, and when they raise/lower rates '''[[User:YellowMonkey|<span style="color:GoldenRod;">YellowMonkey</span>]]'''  (''[[User_talk:YellowMonkey|<span style="color:#FA8605;">bananabucket</span>]]'')  01:12, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support'''. Globally important position (and it doesn't change very often). [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 09:21, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support'''. The head of the central bank of the world's largest economy works for me. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJ Mitchell'''</font>]] | [[User_Talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">fancy a chat? </font>]]  09:38, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
::Updated; posting soon. --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 09:52, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' as well; though I doubted the Democrats would go against Obama in this right now at any rate. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 09:56, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

====Death of [[J. D. Salinger]]====
*I know we generally don't like an expected death, but I wondered if J. D. Salinger would be notable enough for our death criteria. His iconic ''[[The Catcher in the Rye]]'' remains "widely read and controversial, selling around 250,000 copies a year." The article is thorough and extensive, just needs some update on his death. --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 18:24, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
:I'll '''support'''. Salinger has a certain iconic status about him, even if (or perhaps because) he hasn't published anything in 45 years, nor given an interview in 30 years. And we have a good biography. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 18:27, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
:: '''Support''': "[http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8486169.stm Source from the BBC] Possible caption: [[United States|American]] [[novellist]] '''[[J. D. Salinger]]''', author of ''[[The Catcher in the Rye]]'', dies at the age of 91." [[User:ISD|ISD]] ([[User talk:ISD|talk]]) 18:32, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
:::'''Strong support'''.  Author of one of the most commonly and widely read books of the 20th century. (added comment, it's already made the news in [http://www.rbc.ru/ Russia])--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 18:34, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
::::'''Support'''. Author of a very popular and iconic book. - [[User:JuneGloom07|<font color="Purple" face="Arial">'''JuneGloom07'''</font>]]  [[User_Talk:JuneGloom07|<font color="Green" face="Times New Roman">Talk? </font>]] 18:37, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::'''Support'''. Iconic author. [[User:Hektor|Hektor]] ([[User talk:Hektor|talk]]) 18:49, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::'''Additional source''' - [http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3786891.stm BBC Obituary] [[User:ISD|ISD]] ([[User talk:ISD|talk]]) 18:54, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::::It appears that the article already contains all the information given in the mentioned sources. --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 19:03, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::::The article has been updated. Posting soon. --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 19:05, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::No pic?--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 19:11, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::No. Do you expect a free image from a recluse? :-D --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 19:14, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::Perhaps an image of the ''Catcher'' cover could be used? [[User:Unitanode|<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-variant:small-caps;color:#999999">Unit</span>]][[User talk:Unitanode|<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-variant:small-caps;color:#63739F">'''''Anode'''''</span>]] 00:44, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
::Pile-on '''support''', if just to show I don't auto-oppose deaths. Now here's an example of a front-page death. [[User:Wizardman|<span style="color:#030">'''''Wizardman'''''</span>]] <sub>[[User:Wizardman/Operation Big Bear|<span style="color:#600">Operation Big Bear</span>]]</sub> 19:16, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Who says ITN never gets anything done?  That was ''fast''.  (i.e. completely unnecessary pile-on '''support''') [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 20:37, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
::::Wow! That ''was'' fast... support as well and thanks to the ITN section of Wikipedia for telling me this first (sort of undoes the point about Wikipedia not being breaking news). --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 20:41, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::its already been posted. but ill pile on more '''support''' -- [[User:Ashishg55|Ashish]][[User talk:Ashishg55|-g55]] 21:55, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::Personally I '''oppose''' this on the basis that there are too many supports and this quite clearly contravenes the unwritten rule of ITN that all candidate based discussion should descend into talk about obscure, not even remotly related topics. Bah Humbug :P --[[User:Daviessimo|Daviessimo]] ([[User talk:Daviessimo|talk]]) 23:10, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
'''Remove''' Can items be removed after they've been posted ? If so, then remove it.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/81.132.90.165|81.132.90.165]] ([[User talk:81.132.90.165|talk]]) 00:38, 29 January 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:They can, but why do you suggest removal? '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082567">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T♦</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|<span style="color:#FFBF00">Nominate!</span>]]</sup> 03:26, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
'''Note''' - this has been posted. —<font face="Baskerville Old Face">[[User:the_ed17|<font color="800000">Ed</font>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:the_ed17|<font color="800000">(talk</font>]] • [[WP:OMT|<font color="800000">majestic titan)</font>]]</font> 23:15, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
::Can I repeat the question about using an image of the book?  Is there no usuable image of ''Catcher''?  The current pic is of the third story down and really should be replaced.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 02:26, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

==January 27==
{{Portal:Current events/2010 January 27}}
===ITN candidates for January 27===
====Death of [[Howard Zinn]]====
This probably has little chance given the recent posting of Salinger's death, but I thought it at least deserved a nomination.  He's certainly a widely read and influential writer,  Coverage: [http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/jan/28/howard-zinn-america Guardian], [http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/28/us/28zinn.html?em NYT]--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 19:17, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Situational oppose''' because there don't need to be two writers on the front page at once, and I'd rather keep Salinger.  (Not sure I'd support this nom without Salinger, even.) [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 20:41, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
:May deserve a nomination, but does not, IMO, deserve a place in ITN, so '''oppose'''. Wide read, but I can't say that his works were crazy sellouts. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082567">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T♦</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|<span style="color:#FFBF00">Nominate!</span>]]</sup> 03:27, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' - certainly influential to historians, but he does not compare to the writer of one of the most influential works of the 20th century. Cheers! [[User:Scapler|Scapler]] ([[User talk:Scapler#top|talk]]) 00:59, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

====[[Sinosauropteryx]]====
"a team of Chinese and British scientists reported Wednesday in Nature, providing the first clear evidence of dinosaur colors from studies of 125-million-year-old fossils of a dinosaur called Sinosauropteryx."

[http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/28/science/28dino.html New York Times]  <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Shiplevelone|Shiplevelone]] ([[User talk:Shiplevelone|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Shiplevelone|contribs]]) 02:54, 28 January 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Support. --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 07:12, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
:Support as well. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 08:19, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
::Weak oppose.  The headline looks great "Scientists discover that dinosaur was ginger with white stripes", but v little further reading reveals that the evidence is far from conclusive and only pertains to its tail, the dinosaur in question is not one that features in public perception of dinosaurs, and they don't know what shade the red pigment might have rendered, nor in what type or body covering.  When early stages of research make headlines, they often make mislading ones. [[User:Kevin McE|Kevin McE]] ([[User talk:Kevin McE|talk]]) 08:44, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

But I think since the article was published in Nature, the research meets a respectable starting point.  [[User:Shiplevelone|Shiplevelone]] ([[User talk:Shiplevelone|talk]]) 20:53, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

:'''Oppose''' for the same reasons as [[User:Kevin McE]]. Interesting, but not earth-shattering and the headlines are indeed misleading. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 00:25, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

====[[Machu Picchu]]====
Is there any article for events there? It seems quite bad from Portal:Current events in recent days, with people dead and tourists trapped, and it doesn't seem like anybody has nominated it? --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 20:57, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
:There's a town in the valley below Machu Picchu, so noone is really trapped. Really it depends how many people were killed in the landslides. -- [[User:Eraserhead1|Eraserhead1]] &lt;[[User_talk:Eraserhead1|talk]]&gt; 11:19, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''Support'''. Although we didn't post [[2010 Rio de Janeiro floods]], this is a major flood at a major tourist site and is linked to [[El Nino]]. ~[[User:AstroHurricane001/A|<span style="color:blue;">A</span>]][[User:AstroHurricane001|<span style="color:blue;">H</span>]][[User:AstroHurricane001/D|<span style="color:blue;">1</span>]]<sup>([[User:AstroHurricane001/T|T]][[Special:Contributions/AstroHurricane001|C]][[User:AstroHurricane001/U|U]])</sup> 02:50, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

====Algeria and Egypt====
I have no idea if this has happened yet or if it will be important but maybe it will. It is a football game which appears to be [http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5h-ApGtT_xWsspRK6kflilEOrypgg highly controversial]. Their foreign ministers have been phoning each other, the [[Arab League]] has commented, one of the footballers, [[Mohamed Zidan]], has said it is "war" and "a matter of life and death". The best [http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/football/top-stories/Fierce-regional-rivals-Egypt-and-Algeria-do-battle-again/articleshow/5503285.cms summary of their history] I could find was in ''The Times of India'', describing brawls, violence spread as far as France and Sudan, one footballer sentenced for ''blinding'' the other side's team doctor with a bottle, one Egyptian footballer who refused to join a team when he learned there were players from Algeria there, etc, etc, so not a very ordinary rivalry at all and one of which had political importance even outside the two countries. However, I don't know if anything has happened or will happen. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 20:54, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
:Let's wait and see if a serious conflict develops.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 17:24, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
::Well Algeria finished the match with eight players on the pitch, so it sounds like it was pretty muscular! Maybe one for April Fool's Day ("War between Algeria and Egypt concluded in less than two hours") [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 21:27, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
:::DYK would love it.  ITN, well, holding on to it for 2+ months means it isn't exactly news.   3 red cards for one side is a lot, but it's still just a football match, which we'll be posting soon enough when the Cup of Nations concludes, so '''oppose'''. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 08:34, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

====Apple announces iPad====
*'''Apple tablet''' to be announced shortly  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/86.147.43.106|86.147.43.106]] ([[User talk:86.147.43.106|talk]]) 17:15, 27 January 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:*And the article is at [[iPad]].  Haven't had time to think about this one yet. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 18:33, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
::Was thinking about nominating it myself.  Perhaps it's worth waiting a bit to see what the general opinion is of the Ipad's significance, but this was certainly a highly anticipated event.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 18:37, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
:::At the very least this can't be truly considered until Jobs finishes his presentation. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 18:54, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
:*'''Oppose'''. Yes, it is getting a lot of coverage, but we should be cautious that we're just not providing advertising for Apple. There isn't any indication (other than hype) that this will be the next Big Thing. -- [[User:Flyguy649|Flyguy649]] [[User talk:Flyguy649|<sup>talk</sup>]] 19:18, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''strong oppose''' - this is just announcement of a release which isnt that big of a deal to begin with. ITN would look like an apple fanboy. -- [[User:Ashishg55|Ashish]][[User talk:Ashishg55|-g55]] 20:00, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
:::'''Comment'''. If we posted Windows 7, why can't we post this? —<small> <span style="border:2px solid #000;padding:1px;">&nbsp;[[User:Cargoking|<span style="color:#000080;">'''Cargoking'''</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Cargoking|<span style="color:#f9f9f9;background:#000000;">&nbsp;talk&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 20:29, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
::::we didnt post the announcement... we posted the day it was released. and windows 7 isnt a new product that people may or may not use. its a release for software that like 90% of computers use -- [[User:Ashishg55|Ashish]][[User talk:Ashishg55|-g55]] 20:36, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
*Apple release the '''[[iPad]]'''? -- [[User:Sk8er5000|Sk8er5000]] ([[User talk:Sk8er5000|talk]]) 20:34, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''', we don't feature the [[Paris Fashion Week]] either. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 20:39, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
:I'm going '''neutral''' on this one. I can't see any ''good'' reason not to put this up but I can't see any strong argument in favour of it. What about an update, anyway? [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJ Mitchell'''</font>]] | [[User_Talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">fancy a chat? </font>]]  20:52, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
::I prefer [[Live Nation Entertainment]], makes more sense in my opinion. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 21:00, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
:::"A news item involving Windows 7 was featured on Wikipedia's Main Page in the In The News section on 23 October 2009." Theres been quite abit of hype on this, more than 7, I think 7 sets a precedent. -- [[User:Sk8er5000|Sk8er5000]] ([[User talk:Sk8er5000|talk]]) 22:07, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
::::this is no bigger than google's nexus one which was no posted. and that was actually released not just announced. windows 7 reason i explained above. its not about the "hype" -- [[User:Ashishg55|Ashish]][[User talk:Ashishg55|-g55]] 22:53, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::Agreed, let's revisit the iPad in March when it is available. -- [[User:Flyguy649|Flyguy649]] [[User talk:Flyguy649|<sup>talk</sup>]] 01:53, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
:There's really no other way to put this: '''Hell no'''. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 23:51, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Opposed''' Now I have had time to think about this one- and agree, posting this is just giving Apple a quarter million+ eyeballs.  This could be the next [[iPod]].  It could also be the next [[Apple TV]].  We just don't know yet. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 05:17, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Opposed''' It's just a product of a company, I think we are not a Tv channel.--[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'''</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 05:45, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
::It's probably a futile gesture but I'm going to offer '''weak support''' here because this item is clearly [http://news.google.com/news/search?aq=f&pz=1&cf=all&ned=us&hl=en&q=ipad in the news].  Admittedly a large portion of those google news hits are tech-specific sources but the mainstream media covered this heavily.  Given the extensive coverage already given to this announcement I don't think there's a worry if it's posted at ITN--we'd just be repeating what the mainstream media has already done.  The [[iPad|article]] we have is good as well.  And if I understand [http://stats.grok.se/en/201001/iPad these statistics] correctly, the article is already popular among WP viewers.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 11:56, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose'''.  [[WP:SOAPBOX|Wikipedia is not a forum for advertising]].  For a new product announcement to be featured on ITN it should have clear and obvious international impact at the time of announcement, not just potential impact or regular incremental change.  Examples of product announcements that would have been appropriate are the 1981 [[IBM PC]] (transforming microcomputers from toys for hobbyists to legitimate business tools) and [[New Coke]] (redefinition of the best known brand in the world).   This is just another product in a steady stream of regular technological improvements. --''[[User: Allen3|Allen3]]''&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Allen3|talk]]</sup> 12:24, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

==January 26==
{{Portal:Current events/2010 January 26}}
===ITN candidates for January 26===
====Avatar====
Wall Street Journal makes it official. [[User:Nergaal|Nergaal]] ([[User talk:Nergaal|talk]]) 08:37, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
:The version that gained consensus on the 24th is:
::"[[James Cameron|James Cameron's]] '''''[[Avatar (2009 film)|Avatar]]''''' becomes the '''[[List of highest-grossing films|highest-grossing]]''' film of all time, surpassing his 1997 ''[[Titanic (1997 film)|Titanic]]''."
[[User:Nergaal|Nergaal]] ([[User talk:Nergaal|talk]]) 08:39, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
::: Posting. Is there any free image of those blue guys? :-) --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 08:43, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
::::I highly doubt it, but I think Cameron's bust would be appropriate also. [[User:Nergaal|Nergaal]] ([[User talk:Nergaal|talk]]) 08:49, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::I can only find fair use ones, as well. (And unless someone was in that make-up at the premiere or something, its doubtful one exists.) All of the ones we use in articles are fair use.  Cameron's face would be appropriate, since the hook is as much about him as the movie. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 08:50, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::[[:File:JamesCameronStarDec09.jpg]] might be pushing it, but in a way also deserving. If not, [[:File:JamesCameronCCJuly09.jpg]] would work. [[User:Nergaal|Nergaal]] ([[User talk:Nergaal|talk]]) 08:52, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::Either image would work for me.  'Chemical Ali' has been hanging there long enough.  [[User:DC|<span style="color:#8B0000">'''''~DC'''''</span>]] <sub>[[User talk:DC|<font color="#ffb612" face="Tahoma">Talk To Me</font>]]</sub> 08:58, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::::I'm on it. --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 09:00, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
:Quick note on the blurb now: "The science fiction film Avatar, directed by James Cameron (pictured), becomes the highest-grossing film of all time, surpassing his 1997 Titanic." the second his is confusing as to whether it is referring to Avatar or Cameron. [[User:Nergaal|Nergaal]] ([[User talk:Nergaal|talk]]) 09:11, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
::How is it now? --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 09:14, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
:::I think just witching to " surpassing his previous 1997 film Titanic" would be fine (but I might be wrong). [[User:Nergaal|Nergaal]] ([[User talk:Nergaal|talk]]) 09:29, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
::::That would be a bit too wordy - "previous" is unnecessary, I think. --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 09:36, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
:This new item as frased is wrong, IMO. The only measure which makes sense when comparing amounts of money over time, and which I expect unless otherwise specified, is gross ''adjusted for inflation''. ''Titanic'' and ''Gone with the Wind'' still outgross Avatar by that measure. [[User:Thue|Thue]] | [[User talk:Thue|talk]] 12:21, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
::The story which is "in the news" is the headline figure, not adjusted for inflation, and so that is the one which is appropriate for a section entitled "In the news". [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 12:29, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Just because some news media are sensationalist or incompetent, it doesn't mean we should emulate them. [[User:Thue|Thue]] | [[User talk:Thue|talk]] 14:01, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
::::I think we're safe to go with the "sensationalist or incompetent" [http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2010/01/25/avatar-passes-titanic-to-set-world-wide-box-office-record/ ''Wall Street Journal''], or the equally "sensationalist or incompetent" [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/8480622.stm BBC]! We really have no need to insult our readers' intelligence by pedantically reminding them that a 2010 dollar is worth somewhat less than a 1997 dollar, and far less than a [[Gone with the Wind (film)|1939 dollar]]. It is a topic worthy of discussion in the article that ''Avatar'' has gained about two-thirds of its receipts from the 3-D version, which had significantly higher ticket prices than is usual for a normal 2-D film, but that is not the news story. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 14:35, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::I shall gladly call the WSJ or BBC sensationalist or incompetent for bringing those stories without mentioning inflation adjustment. Because I am capable of independent evaluation, and not just repeating other people's inaccuracies. Also note that I could not find a corresponding new iten at the NYT, which usually have a higher standard. I say that Wikipedia ITN should aim at the NYT standard, not the BBC or WSJ standard. [[User:Thue|Thue]] | [[User talk:Thue|talk]] 14:52, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::That's what letters to the editor are for. [[User:DC|<span style="color:#8B0000">'''''~DC'''''</span>]] <sub>[[User talk:DC|<font color="#ffb612" face="Tahoma">Talk To Me</font>]]</sub> 15:02, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::::we are not trying to aim at any standards here. This story was discussed 3 weeks ago then again 2 days ago then now. and it was decided on that inflation adjusted figure is not accurate since this is worldwide gross. If NYT doesnt have this story then that means their updates are too slow. not because their standards are too high. -- [[User:Ashishg55|Ashish]][[User talk:Ashishg55|-g55]] 15:13, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::::''Of course'' we should be aiming at a high standard here. The reverse, that we don't care about news quality, is just an absurd idea. I mentioned the NYT because they have a ''high'' standard, not because they have an arbitrary "NYT-standard". And it would be quite possible to calculate a reasonable worldwide inflation-adjusted figure, for example by first converting the foreign gross to US dollars before adjusting for inflation. As also discussed at [[List_of_highest-grossing_films#Issues_with_calculation]], ranking films non-inflation-adjusted is basically meaningless information. We should not select meaningless information for inclusion in the Wikipedia ITN; if this news item can not be fixed, then it should be removed. [[User:Thue|Thue]] | [[User talk:Thue|talk]] 16:38, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::Movie grosses are not matter of simple calculation. you can see that in the [[List_of_highest-grossing_films#Issues_with_calculation]]. inflation is not the only factor that effects it but also the ticket prices which maybe different in many countries during different times. All such calculations are only guesses and nothing exact. the 1.84b number by titanic is only decent exact value that we can compare avatar to and we did that. Its a big international news with a nice article. i see absolutely no reason why it should not be posted. -- [[User:Ashishg55|Ashish]][[User talk:Ashishg55|-g55]] 16:48, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::Agree with Ashish & Physchim re posting the gross sales record.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 18:19, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

====[[Sri Lankan presidential election, 2010]]====
[[File:Mahinda Rajapaksa 2006.jpg|right|100x100px|The President of Sri Lanka, Mahinda Rajapaksa.]]
Ongoing now[http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8478386.stm], results will be out by this time tomorrow. This is a pretty controversial election, coming just after the [[Sri Lankan Civil War|war]] ended, with the former [[Sarath Fonseka|Chief of Defence Staff]] competing against the [[Mahinda Rajapaksa|current president]]. If this does go up on ITN, will it be now or when the results are out? ≈&nbsp;[[User:Chamal_N|'''C'''hamal]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Chamal_N|<sup><span style="color:#B22222;">talk</span></sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Chamal_N|¤]] 02:52, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
:Normal policy is to wait for results.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 02:54, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
::Right, thanks. Plenty of time to get it ready then :) ≈&nbsp;[[User:Chamal_N|'''C'''hamal]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Chamal_N|<sup><span style="color:#6B8E23;">talk</span></sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Chamal_N|¤]] 02:57, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
:::'''Support''' but wait for result as Johnsemlak said.--[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'''</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 07:31, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Naturally. '''Support''' when results are known. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJ Mitchell'''</font>]] | [[User_Talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">fancy a chat? </font>]]  22:47, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
::::All results have now been declared, so we can post this as soon as people are happy with the update. We're still waiting for the election commission's spreadsheet to give us the total votes for the minor candidates, if anyone wonders why the able is still looking empty: we could, in theory, calculate them ourselves, but there are ''twenty'' minor candidates so it's simpler if someone else does it! [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 11:43, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::Official results are now out ([http://www.slelections.gov.lk/presidential2010/AIVOT.html Dept. of Elections]) and the article has been updated, with a lot of help from {{user|Snowolfd4}}, {{user|Chanakal}} and of course {{user|Physchim62}}. Should be good to go now. ≈&nbsp;[[User:Chamal_N|'''C'''hamal]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Chamal_N|<sup><span style="color:#B22222;">talk</span></sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Chamal_N|¤]] 11:58, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::Yep, this one's ready to fly: it helped a lot that the article was already in good shape before the results came in! There's also a free image we can use: we might want to wait a while for an image change, as the current image has only been up twelve hours or so, but I've linked it anyway. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 12:18, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
:: Posted. Feel free to update the image. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 12:50, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

====[http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8478764.stm PS3 Hacked]====

Call me crazy, but the more I think about this one the more I say, 'Why not?'  Certainly of international interest.  Potentially affects millions of PS3 users.  Not a commercial story since Sony wouldn't want this publicized.  Any support for this?  Right now this is the most viewed article on the BBC website.  Plus WP users are probably more interested in tech stories.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 03:00, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
:Tech stories (except for major records) actually tend not to appear as much on ITN.  The key word you mention is "potentially". Unless there are definite effects, then I '''oppose'''. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082567">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T♦</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|<span style="color:#FFBF00">Nominate!</span>]]</sup> 03:49, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
::I would agree in principle, but I think you might be overemphasizing the word 'potentially' here, and perhaps I could use a more precise word.  It can be fairly reasonably assumed that a large number (hunderds of thousands, if not millions) of users will be affected. (assuming that the hack is in fact something which will be used on a mass scale).  I'm basing this on the already widespread use of hacked Xboxes, Wiis, and PS2s.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 04:03, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
:::the problem i see is that the guy hasnt released the code yet. so all we have is his word that he hacked it. this might become a story once the code is released to see what impact it causes. i suggest waiting till then -- [[User:Ashishg55|Ashish]][[User talk:Ashishg55|-g55]] 04:06, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' even if I had the code in front of my eyes.  A game console is claimed to be hacked.  Compared to the rest of the stories currently on ITN, this is of little importance- and is of none at all until it becomes more than a claim. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 04:20, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
::I don't think this is of any less importance than a number of sports-related items regularly put in ITN.  But if the details of story is unsubstantial at the moment then yeah, let's hold off.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 10:16, 26 January 2010 (UTC)


==January 25==
{{Portal:Current events/2010 January 25}}
===ITN candidates for January 25===
====Live Nation Entertainment====
*[[Live Nation]] and [[Ticketmaster]] reach agreement with [[Canada]] and the [[United States Department of Justice|United States]] to merge, becoming '''[[Live Nation Entertainment]]'''.

:'''Support''' (for ITN I mean). -[[User:SusanLesch|SusanLesch]] ([[User talk:SusanLesch|talk]]) 04:16, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
: [http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/01/25/ticketmaster-and-live-nation-get-approval-to-merge/ This] says the US District Court in Washington first has to approve. (Reuters said the deal was done.). -[[User:SusanLesch|SusanLesch]] ([[User talk:SusanLesch|talk]]) 04:46, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''Opposed''' Neither company is of great significance.  The best analogue I can think of was the XM and Sirius merger from a couple years ago, which is interesting in that they both created near-monopolies, but I question the global interest/significance of both. (Article talk pages have no evidence that merger was featured on ITN, either)  [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 08:56, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
:::'''Opposed''' per above. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 12:02, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
::::''Rolling Stone'' said, "Live Nation and Ticketmaster, the two biggest players in the $4.4 billion '''worldwide''' concert business, received U.S. Department of Justice approval Monday for a '''merger that is likely to affect every live-music fan, artist, agent, manager and promoter'''."  So I guess you guys want what's coming to you. Good luck! -[[User:SusanLesch|SusanLesch]] ([[User talk:SusanLesch|talk]]) 17:32, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::'''Support''' for the following reasons as well as Susan's above. [http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1630487/20100126/index.jhtml MTV] says the merge is "creating a live entertainment conglomerate the likes of which has never been seen before in the music industry" and that Live Nation Entertainment will be a "ticketing and promotions mega-company". The BBC's [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8480066.stm business section] describes the controversy surrounding this: "Consumer groups, ticket resellers and some politicians have been worried that the new firm will control too much of the concert-going experience". From [http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-technology/live-nation-ticketmaster-merge-after-approval-20100126-muua.html ''The Sydney Morning Herald''], "Its operations span more than 30 countries" and it "will handle all aspects of the concert business, including promoting them, selling tickets, beer and parking, putting out albums and managing an artist roster that includes U2, Madonna, Jay-Z and the Eagles" so that's not one part but a lot of parts as well as many recognisable musicians. So the effects are felt in many countries therefore I think this is a good reason to include it if it is ready. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 18:17, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::'''Support''' as per SusanLesch. -- [[User:Eraserhead1|Eraserhead1]] &lt;[[User_talk:Eraserhead1|talk]]&gt; 23:53, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::::This is a hard one. its just companies merging as usual but it happens to be 2 significant international ones who have quite a large impact on people on daily basis. we posted kraft buyout of cadbury. IMHO this one is more significant than that. so i must '''support''' this. -- [[User:Ashishg55|Ashish]][[User talk:Ashishg55|-g55]] 02:03, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::::'''Oppose'''.  This just doesn't seem to impact much outside the entertainment sphere, and it's not even that big an entertainment story.  It's not getting much prominent coverage, and I think it's global significance is minimal.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 03:41, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::Both of these companies are smaller than [[Cadbury plc]], which itself significantly smaller than [[Kraft Foods]].  This isn't in the same league of business story as that merger, at least not in financial terms. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 03:57, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::its not big in financial terms but it impacts people way more than kraft cadbury merger. as this has created an almost monopoly on live entertainment. ticketing and live entertainment itself. i think general population would care more for this merger than kraft/cadbury's.  -- [[User:Ashishg55|Ashish]][[User talk:Ashishg55|-g55]] 04:19, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::In what way will this have an impact on people?--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 06:11, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
{{outdent|::::::::::::}}I can try to explain. The ''[http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704905604575027531997592958.html?mod=WSJ_Deals_LEFTTopNews Wall Street Journal]'' says ticket prices might rise and that scalpers could be cut out (this is in the vertical area of overlap that the Justice department tried to eliminate). Also for example ''[http://books.google.com/books?id=0BAEAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA106 Billboard]'' (story is about radio and Clear Channel): Live Nation, which spun off from [[Clear Channel]], is worrisome in that you are unlikely to get a show unless you have a deal with them which serves to narrow the whole music business. Live Nation in effect becomes the gate keeper for what music audiences see and hear. -[[User:SusanLesch|SusanLesch]] ([[User talk:SusanLesch|talk]]) 17:05, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
::So it basically affects ticket purchasing/prices. This seems to be a very narrow range of impact--and it won't affect the music itself, just getting tickets to concerts.  Also, most people either go to concerts rarely (once a year or so) or never.  Live concerts are far and away not how people usually experience music.  I can't see the impact on people  as a major argument for this item.  I realize it may seem different to people who go to concerts relatively frequently (or used to) but I'll maintain that that's still a relatively rare event in people's lives compared to switching on an Ipod, or going to the cinema.  That said, perhaps I have a skewed perspective as I live in a country where these companies don't operate and I don't go to concerts.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 18:05, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Sorry, but I disagree with the above, particularly the statement "Live concerts are far and away not how people usually experience music", as well as "Just getting tickets to concerts". Perhaps it is due to where I am in the world or some other reason but I was under the impression that live performances were more financially beneficial to musicians than releasing an album these days. I cannot remember the last time I switched on an Ipod, or went to the cinema actually but I think it likely I went to a live performance more recently. It could be argued that people also go to the cinema on rare occasions or once a year (I haven't been at all in the last several months but I understood and supported the [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:In_the_news&diff=340098025&oldid=340089605 current cinema topic]) and there are certainly many who don't have an Ipod. And in the ''SMH'' quote above it does mention albums and lots more besides... --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 19:10, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

====Venezuela's vice president resigns====
*'''[[Ramón Carrizales]]''' resigns as [[Vice President of Venezuela]]. The article is short, but has potential. [http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2010/0125/breaking73.htm] —<small> <span style="border:2px solid #000;padding:1px;">&nbsp;[[User:Cargoking|<span style="color:#000080;">'''Cargoking'''</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Cargoking|<span style="color:#f9f9f9;background:#000000;">&nbsp;talk&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 22:38, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
::<s>'''Support'''</s>. '''Neutral''' He was also the [[Defence Minister of Venezuela|Defence Minister]]. His wife, the [[Energy Minister of Venezuela|Energy Minister]], also stepped down. I'll see if I can work on the article. '''[[User:Grsz11|<span style="color:black;">Grsz</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Grsz11|<b><span style="color:red;">11</span></b>]]</sup>''' 22:58, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
:::<small>(I thought there was something more to his resignation, not just for "personal reasons".) '''[[User:Grsz11|<span style="color:black;">Grsz</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Grsz11|<b><span style="color:red;">11</span></b>]]</sup>''' 01:35, 26 January 2010 (UTC)</small>
::Is there something I'm missing? The news link says he resigned fro "personal reasons" which odes not sound that significant in and of itself. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJ Mitchell'''</font>]] | [[User_Talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">fancy a chat? </font>]]  23:05, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
:::That's how I looked at it as well. But he was also the Defence Minister, and his wife was Energy Minister. That's three cabinet posts. '''[[User:Grsz11|<span style="color:black;">Grsz</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Grsz11|<b><span style="color:red;">11</span></b>]]</sup>''' 23:14, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
::::If we're going to have a Venezuela item I think the removal of the anti-Chavez cable TV stations is of higher news value. -- [[User:Mwalcoff|Mwalcoff]] ([[User talk:Mwalcoff|talk]]) 00:46, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

====Picasso====
:''Misposted at [[WT:MP]], transferring here.'' <small>[[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 22:07, 25 January 2010 (UTC)</small>
This item - from todays news Jan. 25, 2010 should be mentioned in the news: Picasso Rose period painting ''The Actor'' 1904 at the [[Metropolitan Museum of Art]] was damaged when a woman fell into it after losing her balance. The painting had a 6 inch gash that the museum said can be fixed.
[http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1245910/Picassos-The-Actor-painting-damaged-student-Metropolitan-Museum-New-York.html]  <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Modernist|Modernist]] ([[User talk:Modernist|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Modernist|contribs]]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
:'''Opposed''' The damage was minor, and is expected to be easily repaired.  Interesting, but not really news. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 22:17, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
:: And there is presumably no separate article for the painting itself... one more reason to oppose. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 22:38, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

====[[Saint Kitts and Nevis general election, 2010]]====
*'''Nom''' - [[User:TouLouse|TouLouse]] ([[User talk:TouLouse|talk]]) 21:45, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
:''Comment'' Thanks for the tip, I'll see what I can find. But remember that we only post stories if there's an update to the article within a reasonable time after the event. For Caribbean elections, that can be difficult. For example, at the moment, I don't even know when the polls close (UTC) in Saint Kitts and Nevis, which is fairly fundamental for looking for results. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 21:57, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Comment''' Do sovereign state elections ''always'' go up if there's an update? There are only ~50K people in the country, my [[county commissioner]] has a larger constituency. However, there seems to be a bit of [http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/Army--police-called-to-quell-St-Kitts-election-disturbance a disturbance] surrounding the election that may make it more worthy. '''[[User:Grsz11|<span style="color:black;">Grsz</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Grsz11|<b><span style="color:red;">11</span></b>]]</sup>''' 23:18, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
::[[WP:ITNR]] includes all sovereign state elections at the national (or federal) level, meaning that policy dictates that they should be posted w/o the need for consensus here.  The article requirements need to be met, but as far as I remember the articles usually get updated.  Beyond that, in my half-year here I've seen that elections have a near 'sacred' status as a news item.  They (and replacement of head of state for monarchies or the like) are one item in which all nations regardless of size are treated pretty equally in terms of ITN coverage.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 01:49, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Indeed. Elections are something of a tradition on ITN! I'm sure we can find some worthy reason why (I can think of a few, but I'm not sure which is the historical one) but its basically just a harmless idiosyncrasy. And I doubt that Grsz11's county commissioner election got coverage in [http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/25/AR2010012501673.html ''The Washington Post''], so we're not the only ones with a minor national election fetish! In practice, we do miss a few (like [[Netherlands Antilles general election, 2010|this one last week]]) because of problems with updates or articles or just because we forget. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 12:00, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
[[File:Denzil Douglas flipped and cropped.jpg|right|100px|The Prime Minister of Saint Kitts and Nevis, Dr Denzil Douglas]]
*In [[Saint Kitts and Nevis]], the ruling [[Saint Kitts and Nevis Labour Party|Labour Party]] led by [[Denzil Douglas]] ''(pictured)'' is '''[[Saint Kitts and Nevis general election, 2010|returned to power]]''' for the fourth time, albeit with a reduced [[Majority government|majority]].
:OK, results are in, at least in terms of seats (and, even then, only a couple of hours ago). The overall result is no surprise, the article has been updated. We have a free picture of the winner, although the version I've proposed here has been mirrored so that he faces left. That's slightly controversial for biographies, but I don't think it's a worry here. No voting figures yet. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 15:30, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
:: Fair enough, I'd just like to see some more support and then this is ready to post. I agree with the proposed blurb. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 15:51, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
:::I was just posing a question, I do '''Support''' this item. '''[[User:Grsz11|<span style="color:black;">Grsz</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Grsz11|<b><span style="color:red;">11</span></b>]]</sup>''' 16:23, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
::A note to check the article as well to see if there's any problem that I've missed: I think it's done, but that's just my opinion. The result is now also [http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/26/AR2010012601245.html ''Washington Post''] (article updated), so we're not just relying on small local media outlets. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 16:55, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
:::I have posted it, I changed the blurb slightly as I don't like to start with "in..." but if it doesn't sound right someone else can feel free to change it - [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 21:36, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
::::Forgot to say, uploads are disabled now so I couldn't add the image (I am not a fan of flipping images just for stylistic reasons).  I'll add it when they are re-enabled - [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 21:38, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::The flipped-and-cropped image above is already on Wikipedia, but no probs. The image could probably do with some tone adjustment anyway, for the bright sunlight vs dark skin in shadow. The current image hasn't been up for 24&nbsp;hours yet so there's really no rush to change. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 22:44, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

*It's funny how this sailed through, and there was a huge fight when the Democrats lost their supermajority in the US Senate. Just sayin'... [[User:Unitanode|<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-variant:small-caps;color:#999999">Unit</span>]][[User talk:Unitanode|<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-variant:small-caps;color:#63739F">'''''Anode'''''</span>]] 00:34, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
:Not all that confusing- this was a general election in a sovereign country.  Massachusetts was a by-election in a first-level national subdivision.  ITN always puts up these, whereas by-elections are very rarely of any importance. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 05:21, 28 January 2010 (UTC) 
:::I think the explanation is much simpler. That's all I'll say about that. And you ''do'' realize that the Massachusetts election involved a loss of the Democratic supermajority, right? And that that fact affected the ''national'' government, right? [[User:Unitanode|<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-variant:small-caps;color:#999999">Unit</span>]][[User talk:Unitanode|<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-variant:small-caps;color:#63739F">'''''Anode'''''</span>]] 05:31, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
::::Of course I realize the effect of the special election; in the US one would have had to avoid newspapers like the plague last week not to understand it.  The process worked; though.  Remember that the special election in fact '''did''' get posted. (And I have no idea what subtext you're implying with the "That's all I'll say about that) [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 05:37, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::I'm implying that the reason there was a huge fight about the US story was ''because'' it was a US story. [[User:Unitanode|<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-variant:small-caps;color:#999999">Unit</span>]][[User talk:Unitanode|<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-variant:small-caps;color:#63739F">'''''Anode'''''</span>]] 05:59, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
::Just popped on to change the image but David Levy has already sorted it (and found a better pic), cheers David - [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 01:05, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

====Chemical Ali====
[[File:Detail Ali Hassan al-Majid cropped.jpg|right|100x100px|Ali Hassan al-Majid at one of his several capital trials (here in 2004).]]
*[[Ali Hassan al-Majid]], nicknamed Chemical Ali for his role in Saddam Hussein's gassing of Kurds is executed in Iraq after umpteen death sentences.
**I ''think'' we agreed, upon his latest sentencing, that we'd post this when the sentence was carried out. According to the BBC, it's ''just'' happened. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJ Mitchell'''</font>]] | [[User_Talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">fancy a chat? </font>]]  14:06, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''support'''--[[User:TheFEARgod|<span style="color:#003399;">The'''FE'''</span><span style="color:red;">'''AR'''god</span>]] ([[User talk:TheFEARgod|'''Ч''']]) 14:14, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
::[http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8479115.stm BBC link]. ''Just been announced'' in any case. '''Support''' as per previous discussion, and so that we don't have to add his recurrent death sentences to ITNR. I count four in total, each for different crimes. There's a free image as well (I'm getting tired of the Serbian Orthodox Church...) [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 14:16, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Support when updated. --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 14:18, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

::::It's updated, I will post it now.  Bye, bye, bad guy. [[User:Jehochman|Jehochman]] <sup>[[User talk:Jehochman|Brrr]]</sup> 14:50, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

====Romanian winter====
*At least 22 people have died due to lower temperatures in [[Romania]] in only five days.[http://www.hotnews.ro/stiri-ultima_ora-6843711-gerul-provocat-22-decese-ultimele-cinci-zile.htm][http://www.antena3.ro/stiri/meteo/mai-frig-ca-la-polul-nord-temperaturile-din-romania-mai-scazute-ca-in-nordul-continentului_90311.html][http://www.antena3.ro/stiri/romania/au-murit-de-frig-11-decese-din-cauza-gerului-in-ultimele-24-de-ore_90318.html][http://www.mediafax.ro/english/cold-weather-kills-11-people-in-romania-health-ministry-5194135] - [[User:TouLouse|TouLouse]] ([[User talk:TouLouse|talk]]) 10:40, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
:For the moment, I see no international coverage. And we have had two stories about the cold European winter already this year. How many people died from road traffic accidents, or influenza, in Romania in those five days? '''Oppose'''. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 18:00, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

====[[Martin Kaymer]]====


[[File:Martin Kaymer.JPG|right|100x100px|Martin Kaymer]]
*'''[[Martin Kaymer]]''' wins the "lucrative" Abu Dhabi Golf Championship for the second time in three years.
**He [http://edition.cnn.com/2010/SPORT/01/24/golf.abu.dhabi.kaymer.poulter/ will move up to sixth place in the world rankings on Monday] according to CNN. He [http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/golf/europeantour/7067504/Martin-Kaymer-holds-off-Ian-Poulter-and-Rory-McIlroy-to-win-Abu-Dhabi-Championship.html birdied the final hole to win the Abu Dhabi Championship by one shot. The German, who is only just 25, has the talent and mind to be one of the greats of the modern game] according to ''The Daily Telegraph''. [http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/golf/8477570.stm "A thrilling finish"], according to BBC Sport. [http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/golf/kaymer-on-rise-after-desert-duel-1877919.html If the rest of this European Tour season turns out to be as enthralling as this curtain-raiser then the organisers and sponsors should lick their lips and the Americans had better watch out] according to ''The Independent''.
***Not many sports from this region on ITN, not many German sportspeople on ITN, event seems high profile, Google has sources from around the world covering the event, including [http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-sport/kaymer-leads-abu-dhabi-championship-20100124-mrxo.html ''The Sydney Morning Herald''], [http://gulfnews.com/sport/golf/germany-s-martin-kaymer-swoops-on-falcon-trophy-1.572984 Gulfnews], [http://www.khaleejtimes.com/sport/inside_sport.asp?xfile=/data/golf/2010/January/golf_January41.xml&section=sports ''Khaleej Times''], [http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5gzywHHJokh8nlJ4-QmR7nkVod-hw The Canadian Press], [http://tvnz.co.nz/golf-news/kiwi-trio-miss-cut-in-contrasting-fashion-3340129 TVNZ], [http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2010/0123/1224262925565.html ''The Irish Times''] and these don't just report on the end but different parts of the event. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 00:25, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Oh, I've just discovered [http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5hyINRcQ3CiHTHdjm_lAhTMGGtwfA this] as well which says he has to "play the entire 2010 season with the plates and screws in his foot which were inserted after last year's go-karting accident" and might make his win more important perhaps (or not)? --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 00:28, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' this really isn't an important golf tournament.  Its not one of the four majors, or the Ryder/Presidents Cup. [[User:DC|<span style="color:#8B0000">'''''~DC'''''</span>]] <sub>[[User talk:DC|<font color="#ffb612" face="Tahoma">Talk To Me</font>]]</sub> 00:58, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per DC. '''[[User:Grsz11|<span style="color:black;">Grsz</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Grsz11|<b><span style="color:red;">11</span></b>]]</sup>''' 01:04, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
*'''Opposed''' The only golf tournaments that really matter are the Majors and WGC's.  This wasn't even the biggest golf tournament ''this week''.  [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 03:42, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. I ''just'' LOVE hyperbole. &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 03:47, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''-- Non-major golf tournament.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 07:31, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

====[http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8478916.stm Iraq capital Baghdad rocked by deadly triple bombing]====
*I'm not sure about this one myself with several fatal incidents reported recently, but this certainly has a high causality figure--36 deaths at least.  There's also debate about whether it's connected to the Ali execution.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 16:32, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''Oppose'''. 36 dead in a Baghdad bombing isn't enough. And the link with the "Chemical Ali" hanging seems spurious to say the least: don't forget there are also elections in Iraq in March. Coincidence seems more likely to me, especially as the bombings were being reported before the reports of the execution. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 17:57, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
:::oppose. per phsychim. too common for baghdad. if it was deaths over 100 then it would be easier to consider. -- [[User:Ashishg55|Ashish]][[User talk:Ashishg55|-g55]] 18:34, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

====Ethiopian airlines crash====
An Ethiopian Airlines plane with 85 passengers on board crashed into the Mediterranean sea shortly after taking off from Beirut airport in the early hours of Monday, airport sources said. The plane disappeared off the radar shortly after takeoff, the sources said. There were no further immediate details. [http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE60O08T20100125] --<font size="4"><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Anhamirak|<b><font color="cc6699">Pri</font></b>]][[User talk:Anhamirak|<b><font color="ff9999">yan</font></b>]][[User:Anhamirak/Sandbox|<b><font color="cc6699">ka</font></b>]]</font></font> 02:33, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support'''. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 02:35, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' when we have something substantial. I created [[Ethiopian Airlines Flight 409]]. '''[[User:Grsz11|<span style="color:black;">Grsz</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Grsz11|<b><span style="color:red;">11</span></b>]]</sup>''' 03:00, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support''' The article is still developing of course, but it's on the way. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 03:54, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support'''.  The article is nearly ready I think.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 07:32, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
: Posting, using the blurb from CE. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 08:27, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

==January 24==
{{Portal:Current events/2010 January 24}}
===ITN candidates for January 24===
====[[Kelly Kulick]]====
She became the first woman to win a [[PBA Tour]] event, winning the Tournament of Champions.  Her article needs expanding though. -<small>[[User:CWY2190|<span style="color:black;">CWY2190</span>]]</small><small><small>([[User talk:CWY2190|<span style="color:red;">talk</span>]] • [[Special:Contributions/CWY2190|<span style="color:darkblue;">contributions</span>]])</small></small> 19:31, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support'''. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 19:33, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
:The article will need some work- it's little more than a stub, it only cites three references and they're not properly formatted. I have no strong opinion on whether or not to feature it if the article is sufficiently improved. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJ Mitchell'''</font>]] | [[User_Talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">fancy a chat? </font>]]  19:55, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''Oppose'''--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 20:31, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose'''. She won the [[PBA Women's World Championship]] back in October, the first time it was held by the PBA, that's a PBA Tour event. See [[PBA Bowling Tour: 2009-10 season]]. '''[[User:Grsz11|<span style="color:black;">Grsz</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Grsz11|<b><span style="color:red;">11</span></b>]]</sup>''' 20:41, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

====''Avatar'' - the best grossing movie worldwide====

It will become the best grossing movie worldwide[http://boxofficemojo.com/alltime/world/] within probably less than 24h. Once that happens, this should go on the main page. [[User:Nergaal|Nergaal]] ([[User talk:Nergaal|talk]]) 18:46, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

*since i nominated this a while ago. here is the discussion moved... -- [[User:Ashishg55|Ashish]][[User talk:Ashishg55|-g55]] 18:51, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

I just wanna start a support/oppose debate on this since i can see this being controversial (being a US movie, plus being a movie...). Will we post if Avatar were to beat Titanic's worldwide total of 1.8 billion$? (Notice the "if"). It still has many millions to go and there is no way to project if it will. But i will give it a '''strong support''' if and when it does. Being the first one in 12 years, and clearly affecting people worldwide (plus its worldwide gross). PS: i have been gone for couple months :) im back and hopefully can get back on ITN. -- [[User:Ashishg55|Ashish]][[User talk:Ashishg55|-g55]] 02:23, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support'''. Yes. If. And not because it is or isn't American. Welcome back! :-) --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 02:55, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''Support'''. Although really shouldn't they figure inflation into account with these things? I wonder how much ''Gone With the Wind'' would have made in 2010 dollars. -- [[User:Mwalcoff|Mwalcoff]] ([[User talk:Mwalcoff|talk]]) 03:16, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''', as per obviously. Also, with regards to accounting for inflation, I think BoxOfficeMojo.com has a ranking where they've already done that. I ''know'' they ''used'' to, but I haven't used the site regularly in quite some time. [[User:Unitanode|<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-variant:small-caps;color:#999999">Unit</span>]][[User talk:Unitanode|<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-variant:small-caps;color:#63739F">'''''Anode'''''</span>]] 04:07, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
::well there are 2 separate lists. i personally support real number of 1.8b rather than inflated amout since inflation is a guestimate. -- [[User:Ashishg55|Ashish]][[User talk:Ashishg55|-g55]] 04:37, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''', even though I strongly suspect this is going to lead to nasty arguments about advertising etc when/if it actually happens and is put up. [[User:Nil Einne|Nil Einne]] ([[User talk:Nil Einne|talk]]) 04:43, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support'''. I thought about nominating ''Avatar'' when it became the fastest movie to take in $1bn, but didn't in the end. We regularly post the winners of the major cinema awards, so I don't think the 'advertising' argument is a reason to to run the story. Besides, if it is already the "Most Popular Movie of All Time"™, what difference would a few thousand page hits on Wikipedia make??!! Mwalcoff makes a valid point about inflation, but we should probably post it at the same time that everyone else is shouting about it (ie, not taking inflation into account) – we'd risk looking a little precious if we didn't. Notice as well that the [[Avatar (2009 film)|article]] has had more than 150k hits per day for the last 19 days, peaking at [http://stats.grok.se/en/200912/Avatar_%282009_film%29 371k hits] on 21 December and [http://stats.grok.se/en/201001/Avatar_%282009_film%29 227k hits] on 4 January! [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 09:33, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' Highest-grossing film ever.  Pretty big deal. [[User:HonouraryMix|HonouraryMix]] ([[User talk:HonouraryMix|talk]]) 19:01, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' as soon as the takings reach whatever the record is (if they haven't already) and even in the highly-unlikely-event that it doesn't, its failure would probably be newsworthy! [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJ Mitchell'''</font>]] | [[User_Talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">fancy a chat? </font>]]  19:42, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Strong support''' If any movie is worthy of ITN, this is the one. We also included Harry Potter on ITN so this should go up too. ~[[User:AstroHurricane001/A|<span style="color:blue;">A</span>]][[User:AstroHurricane001|<span style="color:blue;">H</span>]][[User:AstroHurricane001/D|<span style="color:blue;">1</span>]]<sup>([[User:AstroHurricane001/T|T]][[Special:Contributions/AstroHurricane001|C]][[User:AstroHurricane001/U|U]])</sup> 20:00, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''Support''' Avatar breaking a record that some thought would never be broken for twenty years is huge news. --[[User:Plasma Twa 2|<span style="color:#FF0000;">Plasma</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Plasma Twa 2|<span style="color:#FFFFFF;">Twa</span>]][[User talk:Plasma Twa 2|<span style="color:#FF0000;">2</span>]] 20:06, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
'''''Update''''' ''[http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN2414728620100124?type=marketsNews Reuters]'' and [http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i84347827022cc7930e4d1b870cb249a4 ''HollywoodReporter''] say Avatar is only 2 million behind Titanic's 1,843 million mark. [[User:Nergaal|Nergaal]] ([[User talk:Nergaal|talk]]) 20:21, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' That James Cameron sure knows how to make movies. Is it worth mentioning in the blurb that he bested his own film? '''[[User:Grsz11|<span style="color:black;">Grsz</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Grsz11|<b><span style="color:red;">11</span></b>]]</sup>''' 20:36, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
::Yes, that can't have happened very often either. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 20:40, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
:::[[James Cameron|James Cameron's]] '''''[[Avatar (2009 film)|Avatar]]''''' becomes the '''[[List of highest-grossing films|highest-grossing]]''' film of all time, surpassing his 1997 ''[[Titanic (1997 film)|Titanic]]''. '''[[User:Grsz11|<span style="color:black;">Grsz</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Grsz11|<b><span style="color:red;">11</span></b>]]</sup>''' 20:48, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
:[[James Cameron|James Cameron's]] '''''[[Avatar (2009 film)|Avatar]]''''' becomes the '''[[List of highest-grossing films|highest-grossing]]''' film of all time (not accounting inflation), surpassing his 1997 ''[[Titanic (1997 film)|Titanic]]''. [[User:Nergaal|Nergaal]] ([[User talk:Nergaal|talk]]) 20:50, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
'''''Update2''''' [http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i84347827022cc793b84b7bf2a9bc8261 ''HollywoodReporter''] states "Monday is the day "Avatar" flies past "Titanic" in its historic global journey." So I guess at some point tomorrow morning someone can easily put this on the ITN template. [[User:Nergaal|Nergaal]] ([[User talk:Nergaal|talk]]) 22:38, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
:and getting banned in China. That should be put up as well '''[[User:YellowMonkey|<span style="color:GoldenRod;">YellowMonkey</span>]]'''  (''[[User_talk:YellowMonkey|<span style="color:#FA8605;">bananabucket</span>]]'')  02:29, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
::What?! That's ridiculous. Humanity needs to wake up to its own conscience '''now'''. ~[[User:AstroHurricane001/A|<span style="color:blue;">A</span>]][[User:AstroHurricane001|<span style="color:blue;">H</span>]][[User:AstroHurricane001/D|<span style="color:blue;">1</span>]]<sup>([[User:AstroHurricane001/T|T]][[Special:Contributions/AstroHurricane001|C]][[User:AstroHurricane001/U|U]])</sup> 03:11, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Citation please. ~[[User:AstroHurricane001/A|<span style="color:blue;">A</span>]][[User:AstroHurricane001|<span style="color:blue;">H</span>]][[User:AstroHurricane001/D|<span style="color:blue;">1</span>]]<sup>([[User:AstroHurricane001/T|T]][[Special:Contributions/AstroHurricane001|C]][[User:AstroHurricane001/U|U]])</sup> 03:14, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
::::Erm, the 2D version is being pulled from Chinese cinemas [http://www.poconorecord.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100124/FEATURES/1240343/-1/NEWSMAP (AP)], but that is hardly the same as it "being banned"! It is already the highest-grossing film in China of all time [http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i84347827022cc7930e4d1b870cb249a4 (''Hollywood Reporter'')]. Seems like YellowMonkey has got the hyperbole bug ;-) [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 09:25, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
:Is it necessary to mention 'adjusted for inflation' in the blurb?  I find this a bit of a subjective detail.  It's not as if there's a definitive 'inflation-adjusted' list.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 07:49, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
::''Agree''. It's a factoid that deserves its place in the article, but not on the top corner of the Main Page. The story that will be "in the news" will be for the simple unadjusted figures. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 09:25, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
That's a great idea, could you also mention that I'm now richer than King Alfred the Great? But sure, ''Avatar'' now has a real shot at [http://boxofficemojo.com/alltime/adjusted.htm #25], that's newsworthy. [[User:Lampman|Lampman]] ([[User talk:Lampman|talk]]) 02:21, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

====Iranian plane crash====
All 170 passengers and crew escape from a burning aircraft after '''[[Taban Air Flight 6437|a crash on landing]]''' at [[Mashhad International Airport]], [[Iran]]. ([http://www.itar-tass.com/eng/level2.html?NewsID=14749448&PageNum=0 ITAR-TASS] Created by {{user|Zaps93}}, nominated by [[User:Mjroots|Mjroots]] ([[User talk:Mjroots|talk]]) 15:26, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
::I'm going to '''oppose''' this one I'm afraid. There seems to be a precedent of not posting plane crashes that don't cause injuries- there was one in Scotland not so long ago that wan't posted. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJ Mitchell'''</font>]] | [[User_Talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">fancy a chat? </font>]]  15:57, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''Oppose''' - no deaths - [[User:TouLouse|TouLouse]] ([[User talk:TouLouse|talk]]) 16:08, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
:::It's pretty rare that there are no deaths in an airplane crash.  That said, the [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8477389.stm BBC article] does not call this accident a 'crash'.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 16:31, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
::::There were no deaths in [[US Airways Flight 1549]] either, and that accident made ITN. In this case, the aircraft has been effectively destroyed. <soapbox> I note the BBC are still spouting the crap about sanctions against US sourced parts are the cause of Russian built aircraft crashes. Again there is no evidence to say that this was a cause in this accident. </soapbox> [[User:Mjroots|Mjroots]] ([[User talk:Mjroots|talk]]) 16:39, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''Oppose'''. I wouldn't make an absolute rule against aviation accidents with no deaths, but there has to be ''something'' to make the story a bit different – otherwise we would post every single accident, and we don't and can't – and I can't see anything special about this story. Third serious aviation accident in Iran in less than twelve months doesn't do it for me. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 17:13, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} '''Support'''. 170 people surviving one of these incidents is as notable as 170 people dying in my opinion. Deaths were not required for [[US Airways Flight 1549]] (as Mjroots has said) and that seems to have had several dozen less passengers. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 17:15, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
::::Third doesn't seem very much. In the same year as US Airways Flight 1549 the United States had [[Northwest Airlines Flight 253]], [[Southwest Airlines Flight 2294]], [[Colgan Air Flight 3407]], [[2009 Montana Pilatus PC-12 crash]], [[2009 California mid-air collision]], [[2009 Hudson River mid-air collision]]. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 17:24, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::There are 47 incidents listed at [[:Template:Aviation accidents and incidents in 2009]]: if we posted them all, we would almost always have an aviation incident story on ITN. That seems to be an exaggeration of the importance of aviation incidents in the news and on Wikipedia. We posted a story on [[FedEx Express Flight 80]] at the same time as a story on the [[2009 Montana Pilatus PC-12 crash]]: the FedEx story was pulled from the Main Page as not sufficiently important because there were only two deaths (the FedEx story got more than twice the interest from our readers than the Montana Pilatus story, but that's another issue). So I'd say we need to make ''some sort'' of a choice between aviation incidents, even if it is a subjective one and if we sometimes make "mistakes". [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 18:04, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::That's true and I wouldn't support them all either but I still believe that 170 people surviving a fire on a plane in Iran is of similar significance to less people surviving an incident on a plane in the United States. In fact the pilot alone saved the passengers in the US incident, I doubt he ran around the plane to carry them all out of this fire so that they all escaped alive is remarkable enough. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 18:55, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::::There's a key fact you're neglecting when talking about [[US Airways Flight 1549]]- planes don't land on rivers very often! [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJ Mitchell'''</font>]] | [[User_Talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">fancy a chat? </font>]]  19:48, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::That's also true but doesn't take away from the significance of all these people saving themselves. Some more facts just revealed [http://www.tehrantimes.com/index_View.asp?code=212935 here]: the captain is being blamed, the 46 people who received treatment were simply "shocked" and all but seven were fine by that afternoon. There was one similar accident with a fire on a plane in Iran last year but 16 people died on that occasion. As Press TV [http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=116899&sectionid=351020101 said earlier], "An explosion separated almost a third of the plane's fuselage on landing, ripping away the rear section. The aircraft had ultimately landed off the runway. One of the wings and the landing gear also came apart in the fire, as the flames spread through the fuselage". It still sounds no different than all people surviving an incident in the United States (where far more aviation incidents seem to occur) but that could be just me. Some emphasis put on faulty planes being common in Iran, suggesting accidents are also common, but if it was the captain's fault for ignoring a warning it doesn't matter how high or low quality your plane is or where you are in the world. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 20:27, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
:Was undecided, now strongly '''opposed'''- the Ethiopian story above is likely more important. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 04:15, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
::They could be combined. It is just unfortunate timing that they happened so close to each other, it has been ages since there was a proper plane crash. :) --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 04:27, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Ages? [[Caspian Airlines Flight 7908]] was only six months ago, and we had a rush of them around that time.  These accidents have nothing in common- not even the date- that could be used to naturally link them.  ITN didn't feature [[American Airlines Flight 331||AA 331]] because it was in the end analysis, insignificant.  Same with this one. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 05:32, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

==January 23==
{{Portal:Current events/2010 January 23}}
===ITN candidates for January 23===
====2010 Canada anti-Prorogation protests====
There does not seem to be an article on this at the moment, but many Canadian news sources has coverage on this, and it is notable since the protests took place all over the country.[http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20100123/proroguing_parliament_100123/20100123?hub=TopStoriesV2html] According to a facebook [http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=227662474562&index=1 event page] posted by the original group that started the protests, the rallies have occured in over 60 different towns and cities, in addition to international locations: London, New York, Dallas, San Francisco, and The Hague. ~[[User:AstroHurricane001/A|<span style="color:blue;">A</span>]][[User:AstroHurricane001|<span style="color:blue;">H</span>]][[User:AstroHurricane001/D|<span style="color:blue;">1</span>]]<sup>([[User:AstroHurricane001/T|T]][[Special:Contributions/AstroHurricane001|C]][[User:AstroHurricane001/U|U]])</sup> 01:49, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
:Best article I can find right now is the [[Stephen_Harper#2010_prorogation 2010 Prorogation|2010 Prorogation]] section of the [[Stephen Harper]] article.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 08:28, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
::[[40th Canadian Parliament]] would be a better candidate in my view. In one sense, the prorogation issue seems like a reasonable ITN story. But 3000–7000 protesters in Toronto? I know it's cold in Canada at the moment, but that hardly sounds like an internationally important protest! Not sure, <s>but leaning towards oppose</s>. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 12:46, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
::OK, convinced, '''Support'''. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 18:30, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Actually, according to the images on [http://www.blogto.com/city/2010/01/canadians_against_proroguing_parliament_protest_in_photos this] blog, it appears that more than 10,000 people attended the Toronto rally. Also, there were protests in 64 different cities in Canada, and also in other countries: the US, England, the Netherlands, and Costa Rica. Over 200,000 people attended the rallies in Canada, and since we featured last year's parliamentary crisis on ITN, this should be featured as well. We never mentioned the actual second prorogation, but these rallies are notable enough for an article. I could create one myself, as there is enough news coverage. '''Strong support''' if a separate article is created. ~[[User:AstroHurricane001/A|<span style="color:blue;">A</span>]][[User:AstroHurricane001|<span style="color:blue;">H</span>]][[User:AstroHurricane001/D|<span style="color:blue;">1</span>]]<sup>([[User:AstroHurricane001/T|T]][[Special:Contributions/AstroHurricane001|C]][[User:AstroHurricane001/U|U]])</sup> 14:54, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
::::'''Oppose''' we didn't put the tea party protests on.  Listing this would be pure Canada-centrism.  [[User:DC|<span style="color:#8B0000">'''''~DC'''''</span>]] <sub>[[User talk:DC|<font color="#ffb612" face="Tahoma">Talk To Me</font>]]</sub> 16:43, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::'''Support''' the article I found at [[tea party protests]] describes a national event across many cities. If this one also occurred internationally I believe it is more internationally significant and therefore more important than the tea party protests. I don't think this is "pure Canada-centrism". I don't recall hearing much about the tea party protests when they happened but I heard this yesterday and I am not in Canada or in North America. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 18:01, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::I think "Canada-centric" is a new accusation for ITN! But I think the analogy with the tea party protests is completely spurious: people protesting peacefully against taxes or the government in general is not usually news anywhere. However, the Canadian prorogation is a bit more serious. Imaging if a U.S. President said that Congress couldn't meet for 2½ months because he didn't like what Congress was discussing! Yet that is what happened in Canada (just before the New Year, so it didn't get onto the international news radar at the time). Running the protests would just be a way to belatedly run the prorogation story, and that certainly isn't Canada-centric. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 18:19, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::::i am from canada hence ill stay neutral... but "canada-centric"? are u kidding me. we have one of those in span of years. IMO i wouldnt post this for opening up a huge hole for certain other country. otherwise we will see a quite a large amount of protest news going up just because this one did (no matter how important they are). -- [[User:Ashishg55|Ashish]][[User talk:Ashishg55|-g55]] 18:45, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
:::'''Comment''' We need a blurb. How about "Over 60 protests take place in [[Canada]] and in other cities outside the country against the [[prorogation]] of the '''[[40th Canadian Parliament]]''' by [[Stephen Harper]]"? We could link and bold "'''protests'''" when an actual article is written. ~[[User:AstroHurricane001/A|<span style="color:blue;">A</span>]][[User:AstroHurricane001|<span style="color:blue;">H</span>]][[User:AstroHurricane001/D|<span style="color:blue;">1</span>]]<sup>([[User:AstroHurricane001/T|T]][[Special:Contributions/AstroHurricane001|C]][[User:AstroHurricane001/U|U]])</sup> 20:03, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
::::'''Support''' protests this big against our government aren't every day occurences. You should probably mention that Stephen Harper is the Prime Minister in the blurb, though. --[[User:Plasma Twa 2|<span style="color:#FF0000;">Plasma</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Plasma Twa 2|<span style="color:#FFFFFF;">Twa</span>]][[User talk:Plasma Twa 2|<span style="color:#FF0000;">2</span>]] 20:07, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
::Tweaking proposed blurb: Harper didn't formally do the prorogation he requested it, but if we say "at the request of PM S.H.", it sounds like Harper requested the protests! [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 20:15, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
[[File:Protests against prorogation in Saskatoon.jpg|right|100px|The protest in Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, against the prorogation of the Canadian Parliament]]
*Protests take place across [[Canada]] ''(one in [[Saskatoon]] pictured)'' and in cities outside the country against the '''[[40th Canadian Parliament#Second prorogation|prorogation]]''' of the [[40th Canadian Parliament]].
::Is there a way to get a "pictured" tag in there so we can put up one of [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Protests_against_the_prorogation_of_the_40th_Parliament the many pictures] that Commons has of these protests? - [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 20:30, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Protests ''(pictured)'' take place. But which one... --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 20:43, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
::::Personally, I'd say one from Saskatoon, but that's only because there's a chance I'd be in the photo. I think [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Protests_against_prorogation_in_Vancouver_%284%29.jpg this one] might be the best one as a thumbnail. --[[User:Plasma Twa 2|<span style="color:#FF0000;">Plasma</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Plasma Twa 2|<span style="color:#FFFFFF;">Twa</span>]][[User talk:Plasma Twa 2|<span style="color:#FF0000;">2</span>]] 20:56, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::I think the one Plasma suggests is not the best for the Main Page – it really needs a caption to explain the placard. I'll suggest one of the Saskatoon ones, in fact, because I think the snow goes nicely with the image of protesters: you must have to be angry to go outside and protest in the middle of a Canadian winter! Also, picking a fairly small city illustrates the nationwide nature of the protests. I've modified the suggested blurb accordingly.
: It could work without picture as well. The item has my conditional support but the update needs to be much bigger - there are currently two lines about the protests in the paragraph. I am saying this because it is not clear from the state of the blurb and the article whether we would like to highlight the prorogation or the protests. If protests, I'd suggest a separate article. If they are as big as you say, it should not be hard to write one. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 21:48, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
::Alternatively, we could turn the blurb around: The prorogation of the 40th Canadian Parliament leads to protests across Canada and in cities outside the country. That way, as well, we could get Stephen Harper in there without ambiguity ("the prorogation ..., requested by PM Stephen Harper, leads to...") [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 21:56, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
I'm all for having important Canadian news in ITN, but should we have had the proroguation (sp?) itself rather than the protests a couple of weeks later? -- [[User:Mwalcoff|Mwalcoff]] ([[User talk:Mwalcoff|talk]]) 01:25, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
:I was going to nominate that too, but didn't have enough time. ~[[User:AstroHurricane001/A|<span style="color:blue;">A</span>]][[User:AstroHurricane001|<span style="color:blue;">H</span>]][[User:AstroHurricane001/D|<span style="color:blue;">1</span>]]<sup>([[User:AstroHurricane001/T|T]][[Special:Contributions/AstroHurricane001|C]][[User:AstroHurricane001/U|U]])</sup> 03:12, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
::I agree with Mwalcoff that we should have had the prorogation rather than the protests.  However, we haven't posted anything related to this story so far, and the protests are directly linked the the main story.  We can link to the 2010 Prorogation in the blurb.  So, I '''Support.'''--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 07:36, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
:::We need more of an update on the article.  The news item is the protests (the prorogation was in December) and they just have two sentences at the moment - [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 19:17, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
::::I've created a separate article: [[2010 Canada anti-prorogation protests]]. It's still under construction but we could post the blurb now then update the main link to direct to the article. ~[[User:AstroHurricane001/A|<span style="color:blue;">A</span>]][[User:AstroHurricane001|<span style="color:blue;">H</span>]][[User:AstroHurricane001/D|<span style="color:blue;">1</span>]]<sup>([[User:AstroHurricane001/T|T]][[Special:Contributions/AstroHurricane001|C]][[User:AstroHurricane001/U|U]])</sup> 22:18, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

====Netherlands Antilles elections====
More by some sense of duty than any real conviction! This one is really inconsequential, unless you're into [[postcolonialism]] and are willing to write something about it. Nevertheless: "A coalition of parties backing the [[Politics of the Netherlands Antilles|dissolution]] of the [[Netherlands Antilles]] '''[[Netherlands Antilles general election, 2010|wins]]''' what is expected to be the last general election in the Carribean multi-island territory." [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 15:51, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
:Hmm, wasn't dissolution already certain, it's just a matter of what each entity votes decides to become afterwards? I would favor what remaining referendums there are, but I'm not too sure about this one. '''[[User:Grsz11|<span style="color:black;">Grsz</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Grsz11|<b><span style="color:red;">11</span></b>]]</sup>''' 15:57, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
::Looking more, I would say '''oppose''' to this. It's just a legislative election for a small territory. '''[[User:Grsz11|<span style="color:black;">Grsz</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Grsz11|<b><span style="color:red;">11</span></b>]]</sup>''' 16:01, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
::Sorry, I should have give a news link there: [http://www.rnw.nl/english/article/hague-welcomes-antilles-par-victory (Netherlands Radio)]. We think the last referendum was the [[Bonaire constitutional referendum, 2010]] – I say "we", because it was discussed on this page only last week! That story wasn't posted, in part because of the difficulty in getting results: If Netherlands Radio is correct, Bonaire must have voted for the "municipality" option. As for the dissolution, it has already been put off (at least) twice, in 2008 and 2009. The ''Staten'' of the Netherlands Antilles (elected Friday) would deal with the last remaining questions, at least in principle! I've lived in the Netherlands, I can read Dutch reasonably well, but I'm still fighting to find any more info than that! [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 16:06, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
:::According to that article, the vote didn't happen, but according to other articles here, Bonaire was already set to become a municipality. '''[[User:Grsz11|<span style="color:black;">Grsz</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Grsz11|<b><span style="color:red;">11</span></b>]]</sup>''' 16:08, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

====Death of Jean Simmons====
*Actress [[Jean Simmons]] dies at the age of 80 [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJ Mitchell'''</font>]] | [[User_Talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">fancy a chat? </font>]]  14:37, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
: I'll oppose here, we already have one obituary on ITN and I'd prefer keeping the Sultan. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 15:10, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
::Though she had a long career and starred in many films, I'd say there's nothing particularly notable about her.  I wouldn't say she was one of the most influential actresses of that period.  She didn't win any Oscars.  From that period I'd say Katherine Hepburn, Audrey Hepburn, Grace Kelly, Vivian Leigh, and several others were more notable Hollywood actresses.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 07:25, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

====Haiti====
*The Haitian government announces and end to the search and rescue operation after the '''[[2010 Haiti Earthquake]]''' [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJ Mitchell'''</font>]] | [[User_Talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">fancy a chat? </font>]]  14:37, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
: I'd prefer keeping the current blurb until it cycles out. This is just a part of the whole story. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 15:10, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
::Agree with Tone on this one. The Haiti earthquake is still "in the news", and we're still getting [http://stats.grok.se/en/201001/2010%20Haiti%20earthquake very respectable viewing figures] for the [[2010 Haiti earthquake|Wikipedia article]] but, at some point, we have to stop bumping the story up the list so that readers can get some new stories. The story is obviously cycling down in both external news sources and Wikipedia article hits (even if it was still viewed nearly once a second yesterday), so I think the time has come to let it slowly drop off the bottom of the ITN list. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 15:33, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Agreed- not to mention this isn't all that surprising.  It's a cold calculus, but we all knew in the back of our minds the SAR efforts had to end sometime.  There may still be significant stories left in this, but this one isn't it. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 20:33, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
::::Agree with above posts.  The story is now a 1 1/2 weeks old so it's probably time to let it drop.  We did 'bump' the story up once, which is something which we rarely do, so I think we've given the earthquake its due coverage.  However, if a further development in the Haiti earthquake aftermath occurs that is notable, we should consider it.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 06:47, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

==January 22==
{{Portal:Current events/2010 January 22}}
===ITN candidates for January 22===
====[[Sibutramine]] suspended====
*The Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency has told doctors to stop prescribing sibutramine. - [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8473555.stm] - [[User:TouLouse|TouLouse]] ([[User talk:TouLouse|talk]]) 21:14, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
====Death of [[Iskandar of Johor]]====
*The sultan dies at 77. - [[User:TouLouse|TouLouse]] ([[User talk:TouLouse|talk]]) 21:08, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' since he was formerly King of Malaysia.  Article needs more work on the death section first, though. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 22:40, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
:I can't support simply on the basis that he was a former King of Malaysia: I don't think we should be systematically posting the deaths of former heads of state (as opposed to those who die in office, which I have no problem with). On the other hand, he does appear to have been a particularly – how can I put it, controversial? extravagant? psychopathic? – ruler... responsible (at least partly) for the loss of [[sovereign immunity]] for Malaysia's royal families (there are several, who elect the King from among their number). There seems to be material in the article to justify an ITN piece... [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 22:52, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
:[[Iskandar_of_Johor#Death]] needs expansion, but the article as a whole seems in good shape. Unsure, but leaning toward support, when it comes to notability. And that's IF the death section is expanded. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082567">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T♦</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|<span style="color:#FFBF00">Nominate!</span>]]</sup> 02:36, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support'''. Current Sultan of Johor. [[User:Tripledot|...]] ([[User talk:Tripledot|talk]]) 03:55, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
::The article is certainly very extensive.  The update is short however.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 06:05, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Updated more. [[User:Tripledot|...]] ([[User talk:Tripledot|talk]]) 09:28, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
::::Nice work. Any objections? --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 11:34, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::Posted. --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 11:51, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

:::::A bit late, but I '''oppose''' bringing this on the main page. Deaths of ''former'' heads of state is not notable enough IMO, especially when they only had five years of rule.--[[User:Roentgenium111|Roentgenium111]] ([[User talk:Roentgenium111|talk]]) 21:54, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::I would '''support''' this one as it says above he holds a "current" position. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 04:33, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

====Guantanamo====
*A [[United States|U.S.]] [[United States Justice Department|Justice Department]] [[task force]] recommends 47 [[Guantanamo Bay detention camp|Guantanamo Bay]] [[List of Guantanamo Bay detainees|detainees]] should be [[Internment|held indefinitely without charge]]. [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8476075.stm (BBC)]
I'll nominate this as it will almost certainly get more international attention, and so that U.S. (or otherwise knowledgeable) editors can clarify if this is a major development or just another minor one. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 19:50, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
:*'''Support'''...it violates the US Constitution to hold someone indefinitely without charge (see [[Sixth Amendment to the United States Constitution]], so this I would think is a major development that the government recommends it be done. [[w:User:Ks0stm|<b style="color:#009900;">Ks0stm</b>]] <sup>([[User talk:Ks0stm|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Ks0stm|C]]•[[User:Ks0stm/Guestbook|G]])</sup> 22:25, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
::I'm not sure on this one. There have been a lot of recommendations and whatever else over Gitmo. I think I'll '''oppose''' until we have something concrete (an action rather than a recommendation). [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJ Mitchell'''</font>]] | [[User_Talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">fancy a chat? </font>]]  22:47, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Have to agree with HJ Mitchell- The federal government here issues "recommendations" all the time; very few of which are of consequence.  There are four or five people whose opinions really matter with respect to Gitmo- and none of them have spoken here. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 00:51, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
::*'''Oppose''' until the recommendation becomse something more stringent. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082567">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T♦</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|<span style="color:#FFBF00">Nominate!</span>]]</sup> 02:36, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
:::'''Oppose''' as per HJ Mitchell.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 05:58, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

====[[ADE 651]]====
*The [[United Kingdom|UK]] government suspends exports to [[Iraq]] and [[Afghanistan]] of the '''[[ADE 651]]''', a device based around a [[Electronic article surveillance|retail anti-theft tag]] that had been marketed as a portable bomb detector. [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/8471187.stm (BBC News)] [http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article6997859.ece (''The Times'')]
Breaking in the UK at the moment. Apparently, these useless devices have been widely sold to the Iraqi police force at US$40k a time. The director of the company that makes them was briefly arrested then released on bail under suspicion of fraud. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 17:29, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
::A curious one. I'd be inclined to wait, at least a few hours, to see if anything big comes of this. Where would and update go, out of curiosity? [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJ Mitchell'''</font>]] | [[User_Talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">fancy a chat? </font>]]  18:02, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
::I would update the bolded article, '''[[ADE 651]]'''. It's been done partially (thanks to someone who isn't me), but not yet with all the details. I've just had to update the proposed blurb after [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/8475875.stm clarification from the UK govt.] As for timing, I would be "polite" to wait until after the ''[[Newsnight]]'' programme on BBC2 tonight (finishes 2300&nbsp;UTC), and the story is hardly "urgent". [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 18:35, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Hmmm, I'll make a point of watching Newsnight. It makes a change from trying to reference 50,000 flaming BLPs! [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJ Mitchell'''</font>]] | [[User_Talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">fancy a chat? </font>]]  21:45, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
::::I've seen the coverage of this now, but I'm not convinced it's Main Page worthy, interesting and controversial though it is. One to keep an eye on though... [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJ Mitchell'''</font>]] | [[User_Talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">fancy a chat? </font>]]  01:36, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Getting some international coverage: [http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/stories/2010/01/23/1247ecb45c99 (Radio New Zealand)] [http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2010869273_apeubritainbombdevice.html (''Seattle Times'')] [http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/23/AR2010012300780.html (''Washington Post'')] [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 13:18, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
::::Doesn't seem to be 'big' news but we have a decent and well-referenced article on it.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 07:40, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

====Patriarch Irinej====
*'''[[Patriarch Irinej of Serbia|Irinej]]''' is chosen as the 45th [[Patriarch]] of the [[Serbian Orthodox Church]].

This should be included in the ITN. Precedent is that the death of the previous Patriarch, Pavle, was on the MP. Patriarch in Eastern Orthodox Churches is similar to the position of Pope in Roman Catholic Church, the difference being each of the recognised churches elects an equal patriarch.--[[User:Avala|Avala]] ([[User talk:Avala|talk]]) 16:36, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support'''. Senior religious figures such as Patriarch Irinej are probably more influential than many of the Prime Ministers and Presidents we mention. Also, they don't usually change that often, so there's no risk of bogging down ITN! [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 16:56, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support'''. We posted the election of some senator in the US! This is obviously of considerable significance in Eastern Europe and, as Physchim says, it doesn't happen that often. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJ Mitchell'''</font>]] | [[User_Talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">fancy a chat? </font>]]  18:08, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
::Yes, I should link to the [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8475608.stm BBC story] and [http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/wires.php?id=3468101_serbia-patriarch-belgrade-serbia-moderate-bishop-irinej-elected-as-serbian-orthodox-church-leader this piece] from ''[[Hürriyet]]'''s English-language service (Turkey). Plenty of regional sources as well, the article seems OK. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 18:20, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
:::I support but would prefer if the article were expanded a bit.  It just barely meets the update requirement and has really very little information on the new Patriarch.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 18:24, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' as soon as the article is updated just a little more. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 20:35, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
::What else do people want to see in an update? There are nine references, from various different countries, all of them apparently published in relation to the event (I can't read all of the languages, but I can usually figure out dates!) Our biography is at least as long as the one on [[:sr:Патријарх српски Иринеј|Serbian Wikipedia]], and gives the basic details of his ecclesiastical career – it is much more than a simple date of birth. The "readable" article (as DYK likes to put it, ie not counting infoboxes and such things) is 363 words, and the article would easily qualify for DYK. We probably have the best resource on this person currently available in English, and yet we don't want to tell people about it?! [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 20:59, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
:::I'm happy with it now. It needed work with copyediting, reference formatting, and I also added a couple new sources I found. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 21:50, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
: Posting. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 00:45, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

====Umaru Yar'Adua====
*The Federal High Court of [[Nigeria]] rules that the [[Federal Ministries of Nigeria|Cabinet]] must decide within fourteen days if [[President of Nigeria|President]] '''[[Umaru Yar'Adua]]''', absent from the country for medical reasons since last November, is fit to stay in office. [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8474669.stm (BBC News)]
Time to put this story up I think. Its been ongoing for two months now in a large country, and was mentioned in media reports in connection with the [[2010 Jos riots]]. Yar'Adua has long suffered from kidney problems, and is currently in Saudi Arabia being treated for a heart condition, usually quoted as [[pericarditis]]. He has given only [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8455130.stm one interview] over the last two months, leading to widespread speculation that he was dead or permanently incapacitated. I realise that many will prefer to wait for the Cabinet's decision, but I think there is no harm in putting the court ruling up now, given the long duration of the story. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 14:45, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
:i think the decision after 14 days would be lot more notable -- [[User:Ashishg55|Ashish]][[User talk:Ashishg55|-g55]] 14:48, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
:Wait until the decision is made.--[[User:Avala|Avala]] ([[User talk:Avala|talk]]) 16:37, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
:I concur. When the decision is made, I'l be much more inclined to support. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJMitchell'''</font>]]  [[User_Talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">You rang? </font>]]  16:57, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
:Count me as a support if they decide to remove him, I'll finally be on wikibreak by then. '''[[User:Grsz11|<span style="color:black;">Grsz</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Grsz11|<b><span style="color:red;">11</span></b>]]</sup>''' 01:06, 25 January 2010 (UTC)


==January 21==
{{Portal:Current events/2010 January 21}}
===ITN candidates for January 21===
====''[[Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission]]''====
*Overturning two precedents, the [[U.S. Supreme Court]] '''[[Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission|rules]]''' [[corporation]]s and [[labor union]]s may spend money to influence elections.
**A pretty monumental decision. The article isn't quite up to par yet but is being updated. -- [[User:Mwalcoff|Mwalcoff]] ([[User talk:Mwalcoff|talk]]) 00:36, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support!''' Astounding that it hasn't even been proposed before. It is or was the lead article on most American newspapers (tabloids excluded) as well as of the international pages of BBC, Le Monde, and the Dutch newspapers I checked. This decision seems awfully consequential. [[User:Afasmit|Afasmit]] ([[User talk:Afasmit|talk]]) 01:09, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
::"Influence elections" seems to imply impropriety. Something more like "finance campaigns" would be more appropriate. '''[[User:Grsz11|<span style="color:black;">Grsz</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Grsz11|<b><span style="color:red;">11</span></b>]]</sup>''' 01:25, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' the proposal, <s>and Grsz11's proposed rewording.</s> (See below This opinion is a sea change in U.S. election law. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 01:29, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
::A clarification: I don't think the ruling overturns the bans on direct corporate contributions to candidates' campaign funds. I think it allows corporations to spend money independently on "propaganda," or whatever you call it, aimed at swaying voters one way or another. The wording shouldn't mix that up. -- [[User:Mwalcoff|Mwalcoff]] ([[User talk:Mwalcoff|talk]]) 01:51, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
::Ooh... you're right.  This ruling doesn't allow direct contributions to campaigns, it only allows political expenditures independent of a campaign. (Like running TV ads "Not endorsed by the candidate or candidate's committee").  Strike that part of my last comment, then. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 01:56, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Okay, then say "finance campaign ad" or something like it. The most important issue is we cannot use "influence elections." '''[[User:Grsz11|<span style="color:black;">Grsz</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Grsz11|<b><span style="color:red;">11</span></b>]]</sup>''' 02:55, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''<s>Oppose</s>''' primarily per lack of importance or significance outside of the District of Columbia and because, examining this, it doesn't appear all that significant at all- yes, it reverses a previous decision, but that's how the Doctrine of Judicial Precedent works. This didn't, as far as I can tell, overrule the President or some government action and it didn't, for example, alter the US Constitution so I fail to see how it is much more than a few judges overturning a previous decision. Finally, I would comment (but it didn't decide my oppose) that we already have on item on American politics on ITN. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJMitchell'''</font>]]  [[User_Talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">You rang? </font>]]  02:04, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
::Huh?  This ruling voids limitations on campaign spending that have been part of US Federal Law in one form or another since the [[Tillman Act of 1907]].  It's a huge deal from the point of view of permissible election advertising, as it allows corporations to spend unlimited amounts of their own funds to promote specific candidates (that by implication might be expected to craft legislation favorable to the corporations).  The ruling also establishes for the first time that corporations are entitled to the same free speech guarantees as individuals.  It's being called the most important ruling of the Supreme Court since Chief Justice Roberts joined.  [[User:Dragons flight|Dragons flight]] ([[User talk:Dragons flight|talk]]) 02:17, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support'''.  Likely to have a large effect on the conduct of US election campaigns.  Also see my comment above.  [[User:Dragons flight|Dragons flight]] ([[User talk:Dragons flight|talk]]) 02:19, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
::Not opposing or supporting. but ''Likely''? wikipedia isnt a [[WP:CRYSTALBALL|crystal ball]]? -- [[User:Ashishg55|Ashish]][[User talk:Ashishg55|-g55]] 03:44, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Yes, likely.  Content guidelines about what can go in articles are not some straitjacket that prevents us from taking positions in meta discussions based on reasonable judgments about the future.  And for the record, much of the news coverage is making the same prediction.  [[User:Dragons flight|Dragons flight]] ([[User talk:Dragons flight|talk]]) 04:45, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' as domestic politics, not of international interest (I can't find any mention of it in the UK media for example). Edit: I found an article buried in the Guardian `world news' section. Still not major coverage. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 11:12, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
::The [[Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe|OSCE]] has expressed [http://www.osce.org/odihr/item_1_42468.html concerns] over the ruling. <span style="background:black;color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;'''''—&nbsp;'''''[[User:CMBJ|<span style="background:black;color:white">'''''C&nbsp;M&nbsp;B&nbsp;J'''''</span>]]&nbsp;&nbsp;</span> 05:22, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose'''. Reading the article gives me this huge weary sense of "so what?". The Supreme Court has ruled that one section of a law is unconstitutional: that is its job to make such rulings. That single section has no direct international implications. This is big news if you're running for public office in the United States, and we notoriously have some such people (or their direct employees) among our occasional editors, especially at election time, but it's really no big deal even for 99% of the U.S. population, let alone anyone anywhere else. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 11:46, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
::Let's hope you're kidding. These are still headlines in US papers today: [http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/22/us/politics/22donate.html?hp Lobbyists Get Potent Weapon in Campaign Finance Ruling], [http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/22/us/politics/22scotus.html?hp Ruling on Spending May Alter Political Terrain], [http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/thegaggle/archive/2010/01/22/the-sweeping-impact-of-scotus-campaign-spending-decision.aspx The results of the Supreme Court decision will be nothing less than revolutionary], 
:<s>'''Neutral''' for now.</s> (EDIT now support)  I do agree with Dragonsflight that this is a BIG deal, perhaps bigger than the media is making it out to be.  It WILL affect all elections in the US in the future, though the exact affects are yet to be determined according to [http://www.slate.com/id/2240308/ this].  I agree with Modest Genius that it hasn't been covered prominantly in the UK media or in the [http://irishtimes.com Irish Times] or in the [http://smh.com.au Sydney Morning Herald].  While this does seem to be a very significant US domestic story, we've just posted a US domestic item amid some opposition and perhaps it's better to hold back on this one.  (not just because of opposers here, but because we may draw some outside complaints).--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 12:06, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Strong Support'''. It's a drastically important ruling, and I think one that's not being understood properly.----[[User:Occono|<span style="color:orange;">occono</span>]] ([[User talk:Occono|talk]]) 14:56, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
::I'm sure it is "drastically significant". In Washington, D.C. To most Americans? Probably not. To anyone outside the USA? Not a ''hope''! [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJ Mitchell'''</font>]] | [[User_Talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">fancy a chat? </font>]]  18:13, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
:::I'm not supporting this item for now but this frequent argument that items are 'not significant to anyone outside the US' could be made to most items posted on ITN.  Nearly all ITN events are not significant to the majority of WP users.  I really think its a meaningless argument.  As to it being significant to Americans, I'd say that to believe that this ruling doesn't matter to most Americans requires one to believe elections don't matter, though I would agree the exact effects are somewhat speculative.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 18:40, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
::::I can't let that logic lie without a comment! One can believe that elections are important and still feel that this story is somewhat banal. If we followed the logic above, we'd run stories about every [[redistricting]] which occurs, because we know that redistricting is important in the United States, home of the original "[[Gerrymandering|Gerrymander]]"! [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 19:37, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::This has a much broader effect than any redistricting decision.  It will affect all elections in this US, not just particular districts.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 20:27, 22 January 2010 (UTC)  
::::'''It affects the whole of the US, not just [[Washington D.C.]]''' It applies to any kind of election, Federal or State. Also, I'm Irish myself. ----[[User:Occono|<span style="color:orange;">occono</span>]] ([[User talk:Occono|talk]]) 19:44, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' I know this is a monumental decision, but there needs to be some sort of limit on the number of US Supreme Court cases appearing on ITN, and I personally don't find this as an extraordinary decision. It's just campaign financing. I probably wouldn't support a campaign financing ITN in general. Note that I'm not opposing because it's related mainly to the US. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082567">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T♦</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|<span style="color:#FFBF00">Nominate!</span>]]</sup> 02:44, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
:*And also, the whole article should be updated (see the sections with the tags for more content) if it were to go up. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082567">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T♦</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|<span style="color:#FFBF00">Nominate!</span>]]</sup> 02:46, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Hugely significant.  ⇌ [[User:Jake Wartenberg|<span style="color:#21421E; font-family:Harrington;">Jake</span>]] [[User talk:Jake Wartenberg|<span style="color:#21421E; font-family:Harrington;">Wartenberg</span>]] 19:11, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
*'''Strong support'''. The significance of this ruling can be best understood by the explanation presented in [http://video.pbs.org/video/1393398091/# this video] at -15:41. This headline should be listed ITN before anymore time passes; frankly, I was surprised when I realized it was absent. <span style="background:black;color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;'''''—&nbsp;'''''[[User:CMBJ|<span style="background:black;color:white">'''''C&nbsp;M&nbsp;B&nbsp;J'''''</span>]]&nbsp;&nbsp;</span> 04:29, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
::I'm switching to '''support''' on this one.  The Massachusetts election story has been removed, and I was uncomfortable with having two contentious US domestic stories up at once.  I actually think this is the more important of the two.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 06:56, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
:::This event was the lead subject for several weekly news roundup shows in the US [http://wamu.org/programs/dr/10/01/22.php#29311 1], [http://www.slate.com/id/2240308/ 2].  In the first link above, a NYT journalist compared its significance to [[Plessy vs Ferguson]] and suggested it will appear in future US history textbooks.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 09:18, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
::::Just goes to show that you can get ridiculous hyperbole in the NYT too! [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 13:42, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
::Switch to neutral. I still fail to see any great importance outside of Washington, D.C., however, I think it's probably of more significance and has a more lasting effect than the special election. I was uncomfortable with having 2 US domestic politics stories on ITN, but since the election has been removed, I won't object to this, but I won't support it either. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJ Mitchell'''</font>]] | [[User_Talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">fancy a chat? </font>]]  13:13, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
* I'm going to list this one now that a couple editors have switched their positions to be more supportive, or less opposive. [[User:Jehochman|Jehochman]] <sup>[[User talk:Jehochman|Brrr]]</sup> 13:34, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
** Finally!----[[User:Occono|<span style="color:orange;">occono</span>]] ([[User talk:Occono|talk]]) 14:43, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

====[[Conan O'Brien]] leaves ''[[The Tonight Show]]''====
See [[2010 Tonight Show host and timeslot conflict]] as well as the [[Wikipedia_talk:In_the_news#Conan_O.27Brien_leaves_The_Tonight_Show|thread]] on this subject on our discussion page. Short version: While we almost never have entertainment items, this is somewhat different because it's become more of a general news/business news item (it was one of the lead stories in ''The New York Times'' the day before the earthquake). It's gotten a lot of attention because of the iconic nature of ''The Tonight Show'', which has had five hosts in 55 years, and because of the tremendous amount of money involved in this -- not the amount of Conan's settlement but the billions at stake in ad revenue at the 10 p.m. and 11:30 p.m. slots. While ''The Tonight Show'' and ''Doctor Who'' (whose change in star we didn't have on ITN) are similar in viewers and stature, this is different because of its unexpected and hostile nature. -- [[User:Mwalcoff|Mwalcoff]] ([[User talk:Mwalcoff|talk]]) 00:03, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''OPPOSE'''. maybe we will post this on april fools day. Even [[Jimmy Kimmel]] described this whole thing as a prank played by leno -- [[User:Ashishg55|Ashish]][[User talk:Ashishg55|-g55]] 00:33, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' nothing of substance. Just a TV talk show. '''[[User:YellowMonkey|<span style="color:GoldenRod;">YellowMonkey</span>]]'''  (''[[User_talk:YellowMonkey|<span style="color:#FA8605;">bananabucket</span>]]'')  02:23, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
*'''Opposed''' I disagree that there's "nothing of substance", but there's not much, and ITN turns down far more significant stories every week. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 04:54, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

====Goldman Sachs====
[[Goldman Sachs]] has paid out US$16 billion in bonuses. I'm not particularly sold on this, but it's making news internationally ([http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/banksandfinance/7044679/Goldmans-staff-to-get-16bn-as-profits-surge.html Telegraph], [http://www.ajc.com/business/goldman-earns-record-4-279751.html AP]) '''[[User:Grsz11|<span style="color:black;">Grsz</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Grsz11|<b><span style="color:red;">11</span></b>]]</sup>''' 22:13, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' If anything, the record Q4 profit would be the thing I'd post, and I'm opposing that too. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082567">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T♦</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|<span style="color:#FFBF00">Nominate!</span>]]</sup> 23:20, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
*'''Opposed''' Making news, but not, IMO, of broad enough interest or noteworthy enough for ITN.[[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 23:40, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''Oppose'''.  There are a number of strories nowadays involving companies connected to the bank bailout in the US last year.  We can't report all of them.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 11:48, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''Weak oppose'''. I can't see anything which replies to the question "Why Goldman Sachs on the front page?". That was also my worry about the Japan Airlines story, but at least JAL had lots of support from other editors. I can see that the Kraft–Cadbury deal is a bit out of the ordinary, and so a good candidate to be posted simply because of our general lack of business stories. This one, it's a news story, but it's a bit bland for my liking. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 13:58, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''Oppose'''. I'd like such bonuses. I'll accept it in Gold, man! —<small> <span style="border:2px solid #000;padding:1px;">&nbsp;[[User:Cargoking|<span style="color:#000080;">'''Cargoking'''</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Cargoking|<span style="color:#f9f9f9;background:#000000;">&nbsp;talk&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 22:43, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
:::In the UK, bankers' bonuses have in the past been given out in works of art, to avoid [[National Insurance]]. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 22:52, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
::::Gold, man as in Gold and Goldman Sachs. —<small> <span style="border:2px solid #000;padding:1px;">&nbsp;[[User:Cargoking|<span style="color:#000080;">'''Cargoking'''</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Cargoking|<span style="color:#f9f9f9;background:#000000;">&nbsp;talk&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 23:00, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::I'd accept it in sex as well, to give the other common joke on the name of the bank! Not sure I'd be able to cope with the quantity, and certainly not in a politically correct manner that would still be acceptable to my current partner but, in any case, we are proving that this story is not good for ITN (which is what we're here for). [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 23:11, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::I would say we're here to promote something to the Main Page. But in this case we gave Goldman Sachs the axe, and that's the facts to the max. That is a bit off the tracks. Now time for some snacks so I can relax. —<small> <span style="border:2px solid #000;padding:1px;">&nbsp;[[User:Cargoking|<span style="color:#000080;">'''Cargoking'''</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Cargoking|<span style="color:#f9f9f9;background:#000000;">&nbsp;talk&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 16:43, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

====John Edwards admits illegitimate child====
Not sure on this either, but has international coverage as well. ([http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8472545.stm BBC], [http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/video/2010/01/21/VI2010012101899.html Wash. Post]) '''[[User:Grsz11|<span style="color:black;">Grsz</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Grsz11|<b><span style="color:red;">11</span></b>]]</sup>''' 22:13, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
:Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 22:17, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
::Nooooooooooooooooooo as in dont post or Noooooooooooooooooooo as in you cant believe he has illegitimate child...lol -- [[User:Ashishg55|Ashish]][[User talk:Ashishg55|-g55]] 22:18, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Noooooooooooooooo as in noooooooooooooo effing way. &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 22:19, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
:::'''Strong oppose''' as utterly inconsequential. Other people's sex lives only interest me if I'm directly and physically involved in them. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 22:22, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
::::lol physically involved. -- [[User:Ashishg55|Ashish]][[User talk:Ashishg55|-g55]] 00:31, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''Strongest possible oppose'''. Even if I have to invoke IAR, no. Absolutely not. This has no place on the front page of an ''encyclopaedia'' of all places- we're not a tabloid newspaper. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJMitchell'''</font>]]  [[User_Talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">You rang? </font>]]  22:26, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''Strongest Oppose'''. As mentioned above, we're not a tabloid. Absolutely not. No. We don't put Tiger's mistresses and we don't put his stuff. --[[User:Smashville|'''Smashville''']][[User Talk:Smashville|<sup style="color:#03F">talk</sup>]] 22:44, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
:::'''Support (!)'''. Sure we're an encyclopedia -- the kind of encyclopedia that has articles like [[John Edwards extramarital affair]], which is an extraordinarily complete article with 116 references. Maybe people shouldn't be interested in politicians' personal lives, but many are, and this saga has been covered in all of the "serious" U.S. media, which I think makes it different from a Paris Hilton-type story. -- [[User:Mwalcoff|Mwalcoff]] ([[User talk:Mwalcoff|talk]]) 23:40, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
'''Opposed''' Just, no.  HJ Mitchell is right- we are '''''not''''' a tabloid. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 23:46, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Irrelevant, if there was some major political ramifications, like Clinton, or Berlusconi appointing his mistresses into positions of power using govt money etc, COI, then yes, but no, there is nothing involved here. If Edwards wants to hire personal staff on their looks or whatever instead of skill, that's his own problem '''[[User:YellowMonkey|<span style="color:GoldenRod;">YellowMonkey</span>]]'''  (''[[User_talk:YellowMonkey|<span style="color:#FA8605;">bananabucket</span>]]'')  02:22, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Strong oppose''' His private life is not anyone else's business. Even if it was, this is lacking in any significant ramifications that might lead to widespread notability. If people want to write an article (and can keep it within BLP guidelines) fine, but that doesn't make it suitable for ITN. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 02:34, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''Oppose'''.  (not strong, just 'oppose') Pretty much what people have said.  Although it is 'in the news' and we have articles on similar topics, I think the appearance of a tabloid-style story in ITN would draw complaints.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 11:41, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
'''Oppose''': the reaction of most of the world outside the US will be, "Who the hell is John Edwards?" [[User:Kevin McE|Kevin McE]] ([[User talk:Kevin McE|talk]]) 20:17, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
:Ah, but we have [[John Edwards (disambiguation)]] for those people... [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 20:27, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
::[[John & Edward]] had a child? [[Image:Tongue.png|16px]] —<small> <span style="border:2px solid #000;padding:1px;">&nbsp;[[User:Cargoking|<span style="color:#000080;">'''Cargoking'''</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Cargoking|<span style="color:#f9f9f9;background:#000000;">&nbsp;talk&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 21:51, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
:::It's true that they're a bit young, but 18-year old fathers have never been uncommon in Ireland (or in most other places, for that matter). And, as identical twins, they have been forced by Irish law to have their child out of wedlock – we'll just wait for the press release from [[Simon Cowell]] and we can post the story! [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 22:15, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. Tabloid hogwash is antithetical to both ITN and Wikipedia in general. <span style="background:black;color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;'''''—&nbsp;'''''[[User:CMBJ|<span style="background:black;color:white">'''''C&nbsp;M&nbsp;B&nbsp;J'''''</span>]]&nbsp;&nbsp;</span> 05:54, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

====Northern Ireland====
I've a feeling this one may be slightly contentious, but worth nominating, nonetheless. according to the BBC, "''Police in Northern Ireland have launched a criminal investigation into the financial dealings of [...] [[Iris Robinson]]''" which I'm led to believe is related to her hubby, [[Peter Robinson (politician)|Peter]] stepping down as First Minister of NI. Perhaps someone more knowledgeable in the area can fill in the blanks? [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJMitchell'''</font>]]  [[User_Talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">You rang? </font>]]  19:51, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
:If this turned into something on the scale of [[Rod Blagojevich]] I would possibly support, but we've voted down the Robinson issue here a few times already, and there doesn't seem to be much worth mentioning. '''[[User:Grsz11|<span style="color:black;">Grsz</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Grsz11|<b><span style="color:red;">11</span></b>]]</sup>''' 19:55, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''Strong oppose''' for the moment. There have been rumours (and more-than-rumours) going around for a while about the penal implications of the Robinson case, but they seem to be consistent that the amount of money involved (£55k, $90k) is pretty small on the scale of normal political corruption. Obviously, that's more money than most Wikipedians have in their wallets at the moment, and so it's normal that the police investigate, but the story is still far too local for me to support posting on the Main Page of Wikipedia. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 21:20, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
::Let's also not forget that we have never run stories about a [[Silvio Berlusconi|prominent 73-year old man]] sleeping with women (plural) less than half his age, so I don't see why we should run a story which is basically about a 61-year old woman sleeping with a man less than half her age. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 21:28, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

====Dominican Republic to grant Zelaya asylum====
[[Honduras]] has agreed to give booted President [[Manuel Zelaya]] safe-passage from the Brazilian embassy in [[Tegucigalpa]] where he has been for months to the [[Dominican Republic]]. Looks as if this will finally end the [[2009 Honduran constitutional crisis|issue]]. ([http://washingtontimes.com/news/2010/jan/21/dr-honduras-reach-deal-zelaya/?feat=home_headlines Washington Times], [http://in.reuters.com/article/marketsNewsUS/idINN2015924620100121 Reuters], [http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2010/01/20/world/international-uk-honduras-zelaya.html?ref=global-home New York Times]) '''[[User:Grsz11|<span style="color:black;">Grsz</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Grsz11|<b><span style="color:red;">11</span></b>]]</sup>''' 03:16, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
:If we're planning to use the '''[[Manuel Zelaya]]''' article, it needs an update, and it is also flagged for lack of neutrality.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 12:09, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
::I've updated [[2009 Honduran constitutional crisis]]. '''[[User:Grsz11|<span style="color:black;">Grsz</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Grsz11|<b><span style="color:red;">11</span></b>]]</sup>''' 16:50, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support'''. It's not the perfect ITN story, but at least it is a possible solution to a long-running international crisis. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 22:41, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
'''Support''' if he agrees to go.  I don't think the mere offer is noteworthy enough, but if he agrees to take the offer, thus resolving this situation, then, yes. 23:59, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
:Zelaya has now agreed to the arrangement. ([http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/22/world/americas/22briefs-Honduras.html NYT], [http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE60K58420100121 Reuters]). '''[[User:Grsz11|<span style="color:black;">Grsz</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Grsz11|<b><span style="color:red;">11</span></b>]]</sup>''' 04:08, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
::I'm not against this one, and I'm not an expert on this situation.  This isn't the change of a head of state for Honduras (that happened).  I'm not sure if it resolves the situation in Honduras--can someone better outline what effect this actually has?--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 11:44, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Sure, i'll try. Last year, the Supreme Court ordered the military to arrest President Zelaya because they claimed he was undermining the constitution trying to earn more time in office, so he was removed and an interim government took over. He later returned to the country and has been living in the Brazilian embassy for months. There was an election in November that Lobo won, and he is to assume office on the 27th. Zelaya had previously maintained the illegitimacy of the election, but agreeing to this arrangement indicates he is stepping aside. '''[[User:Grsz11|<span style="color:black;">Grsz</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Grsz11|<b><span style="color:red;">11</span></b>]]</sup>''' 01:36, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

====Angola abolishes presidential elections====
The Angolan parliament has voted to amend the constitution, abolishing direct presidential elections, declaring Portuguese the official language and designating Luanda as the capital.  This is a highly controversial move in a country which has had allegations of electoral fraud in the past and is seen by some as a one party system.  The Angolans have also been accused of using the African cup of Nations as a distraction for this vote, which was originally scheduled for March. [http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/8472127.stm (BBC)].  I haven't found an update yet, but [[Constitution of Angola]] is probably the place and I may have time to update it later - [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 12:24, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' if there's a decent update.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 12:43, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
::Support when updated. --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 13:20, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
:::I have updated [[Constitution of Angola]] - [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 14:19, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
::::Nice work. Any objections? --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 14:21, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
::::: There is nothing about the language or Luanda in the article yet. Besides, nothing about the controversy you mention. I support this on ITN once some more updates are made. Also, what would be the blurb? --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 14:27, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::The BBC changed their story just after I posted this, which didn't have the stuff about Portuguese, Luanda or electoral irregularities in it and I couldn't find it elsewhere.  I will keep looking and add any more info that comes out - [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 14:31, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::::In that case, I recommend waiting a little while until all the facts are clear. I '''support''' the story itself, but the world is not going to end because we didn't put it up "[[WP:DEADLINE|on time]]". Is this being covered by any of the big news outlets other than the beeb? Maybe they could shed more light on it. Regardless, I'd rather wait than risk another embarrassing incident like the "diamond incident". [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJMitchell'''</font>]]  [[User_Talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">You rang? </font>]]  14:36, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::::I think the story has stabilised enough, how about: "The [[National Assembly of Angola|National Assembly]] of [[Angola]] passes a '''[[Constitution of Angola|new constitution]]''' which abolishes the [[direct election]] of [[President of Angola|Presidents]]".  Though someone can probably improve on that - [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 19:33, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::Works for me. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJMitchell'''</font>]]  [[User_Talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">You rang? </font>]]  19:46, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
(outdent) Why not mention they're exchanging direct election for the [[Party-list proportional representation|party-list system]]? '''[[User:Grsz11|<span style="color:black;">Grsz</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Grsz11|<b><span style="color:red;">11</span></b>]]</sup>''' 19:57, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
:In most countries I'd agree that a change in the method of electing the President would be news-worthy. But in Angola, where they've only had two Presidents in 35 years of independence? How about being brief and to the point (as it's true that we need a new story) and just saying: "The [[National Assembly of Angola|National Assembly]] of [[Angola]] passes a '''[[Constitution of Angola|new constitution]]'''. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 21:09, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
::I think it's quite significant that they've changed the election system itself, but maybe I'm just being an anorak? [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJMitchell'''</font>]]  [[User_Talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">You rang? </font>]]  21:22, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support''' New constitution, new system of electing presidents- I think the presidential change is significant enough to mention in the same blurb.  Sure, they've only had two, but the incumbent has been in office since 1979. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 23:52, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''', but prefer to just mention the new constitution, not the presidential election bit. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 02:36, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
::Posting soon. --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 03:53, 22 January 2010 (UTC)


==January 20==
{{Portal:Current events/2010 January 20}}
===ITN candidates for January 20===
====[[2010 IPL Player Auction]]====
This auction has generated enough debate in Pakistan, that I think it deserves a place in ITN. [http://www.cricinfo.com/ipl2010/content/current/story/445037.html Pakistan players hurt and angered by snub] and [http://www.cricinfo.com/ipl2010/content/current/story/445201.html Ijaz Butt 'highly disappointed' by IPL cold shoulder Ijaz Butt 'highly disappointed' by IPL cold shoulder]. Even our parliament has discussed it in detail, with parliamentary delegations trip to India has been called off. --[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'''</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 03:00, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
:The article is flagged.  Probably not a good candidate for the main page at the moment.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 04:21, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''Oppose'''. I don't think it's big enough. It's a domestic tournament, albeit a big one, and the Indian businesses refused to buy the Pakistani players even though Pakistan won the last World Cup. This is more likely due to the fact that they didn't want to buy Pakistanis when the Pakistani govt banned their own players from participating last year, lest they end up with a bunch of unusable personnel. Secondly, this isn't any different to a captain or coach of a big sports team being sacked in controversial circumstances. When [[Sourav Ganguly]] was sacked as India's captain, people in his home state staged fiery protests and the parliament passed a motion. Not important enough. When Pakistan lose badly, or to India, sometimes the govt starts a senate inquiry or accuses the players of matchfixing and they investigate them. It's not as though India convinced all the other countries to ban Pakistan from competition or anything, or that a major doping or matchfixing ring has been uncovered. We can't have an ITN item each time India or Pakistan have a bad day because the silly politicians decide to waste time on debating frivolous things instead of national security, education, poverty, clean drinking water etc '''[[User:YellowMonkey|<span style="color:GoldenRod;">YellowMonkey</span>]]'''  (''[[User_talk:YellowMonkey|<span style="color:#FA8605;">bananabucket</span>]]'')  04:34, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Is this just a player draft? I don't know a thing about cricket, but '''Oppose'''. '''[[User:Grsz11|<span style="color:black;">Grsz</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Grsz11|<b><span style="color:red;">11</span></b>]]</sup>''' 04:38, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
::::'''Comment''' I have read it again and again before posting it here, at first I wasn't supporting to post it here, but when Pakistani opposition and government started sharing the same sentiment in National assembly then I decided we should get an opinion from fellow wikipedians whether to post it. 

This argument that franchises feared that players might be not be available, is without any base,according to a report published in an Indian daily )published before the auction), it was quite clear that [[Lalit Modi]] has "advised" the franchises not to bid any Pakistani player [http://www.mid-day.com/sports/2010/jan/200110-Pakistani-players-IPL-auction.htm Pak players' unavailability theory thrown up by IPL bosses is fiction]. And according to cricinfo<blockquote>
'' ..inclusion of Pakistani players in the IPL's final auction list, released on January 6, was on the basis of specific requests received from the franchises - every player on that list had to be officially sought by at least one franchise...''
[http://www.cricinfo.com/ipl2010/content/current/story/445037.html Cricinfo]</blockquote>

It has already started a major diplomatic row, with Leader of opposition in NA, quoted as asking for ban on any sporting relationship with India(which includes the upcoming [[2010 Men's Hockey World Cup|Hockey World cup]]).
--[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'''</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 05:21, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
:I am not a cricket expert, but as I understand, 11 Pakistani cricketers (I assume 'big name' cricketers but I don't know the sport well) were drafted into the IPL, but have not been signed by their clubs due to political reasons, specifically that they will not be issued visas.  To add a bit more context, the IPL I believe is the only purely professional club cricket league along the lines of the English Premier League in soccer or the NFL in American Football and has top players from India, Australia, England, etc. (the point being that I think it would be false to call it a mere 'domestic' league as there are very few, if any, equivalents in other countries).  Anyway, I think we need to see more evidence of the effects of this before we consider posting it, and the article's flag must be dealth with.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 12:02, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
::The IPL has been described by no less of a source than the [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/8470796.stm BBC] as "the new powerhouse in world cricket", and the India–Pakistan cricket series is listed at ITN/R, just to give some background to those who do not appreciate the beautiful game. I do, but I'd still like some more explanation in [[2010 IPL Player Auction]] as to what this story is all about before I could support posting it on the Main Page. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 13:51, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
:::'''Oppose''' for several reasons, but I'll try to keep it concise. Firstly, this is not the highest level tournament (if I was to support a cricket item, it would have to be the world cup [or equivalent] or, at a push, something like The Ashes and only then if there was a news story). Second, India and Pakistan are not exactly known for being the best of chums so it's hardly surprising that politics has come into this. I did have a third, but I've forgotten it. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJMitchell'''</font>]]  [[User_Talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">You rang? </font>]]  14:06, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
::I think I'm going to '''oppose''' as well. The story is basically about player transfers in a franchised sporting organization, and we don't usually cover those. We have occasionally covered transfers in soccer, but then soccer is a far more global sport than cricket (and the sums of money are far higher than those quoted for the IPL auction): also, soccer teams are not usually franchised, although I admit that the practical difference these days is pretty minor. I agree with HJM that it is well known (and hence not "news") that India and Pakistan are "not the best of chums". I read an interview with India's deputy foreign minister in the Spanish press yesterday: just after discussing relief efforts in Haiti, he was asked about Pakistan, to which he replied "and there's another disaster zone!" Nice way to treat your neighbour, not! But not news either. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 14:22, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
:::'''oppose''' as this is only issues with player auction. We ''will'' post the results of IPL when it is done as we did last year. @HJ for the issue of this not being highest level tournament. we discussed this last year and came to decision that it is highest level for a cricket league. Just because it is happening in india (and the name IPL) doesnt mean its purely domestic. The players are mostly from outside that specially come to play in the league. It is pretty much like NBA, NHL, NFL, MLB etc. for cricket its at highest level. but ya oppose for this auction. -- [[User:Ashishg55|Ashish]][[User talk:Ashishg55|-g55]] 14:50, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Strong oppose''' We came to consensus last time that the IPL wasn't important enough to even post the winner. Internal details regarding who plays for whom certainly don't qualify. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 21:16, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
::care to explain? because we clearly posted it last year and i just explained above why... -- [[User:Ashishg55|Ashish]][[User talk:Ashishg55|-g55]] 00:27, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
:::No, the IPL results should not be in ITN (I edit cricket articles). Only the Indian internationals can play the full tournament, as the overseas players have commitments for their own country and only about 50-70% make themselves available and even then they are often there for only half the time. Also, as only 4 of the 11 players in a team can be imports, the other 7 must be Indian and many of these players are mandatory inclusions under the youth and regional quota, and aren't close to international standard in many cases. '''[[User:YellowMonkey|<span style="color:GoldenRod;">YellowMonkey</span>]]'''  (''[[User_talk:YellowMonkey|<span style="color:#FA8605;">bananabucket</span>]]'')  02:17, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
::::we will just discuss this again when IPL finishes... no point doing it all over again -- [[User:Ashishg55|Ashish]][[User talk:Ashishg55|-g55]] 02:27, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::Are you sure the IPL was posted? I remember it being debated, but am fairly sure we agreed it was a national championship and not notable enough for ITN (it's possible it went up briefly). Furthermore, we've discussed this at various times when the Ashes and India-Pakistan stories have come up, each time agreeing not to add the IPL to [[WP:ITNR]] (sorry, I don't have difs, the page history for this page is frightening). [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 02:46, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::::yup im positive it was posted. there were 2 conversations that took place. i know the one you are referring to. that one got out of control with usual name calling lol (maybe howard can confirm) so there was another one in which we decided otherwise. i would also like to give a diff but its ridiculously far back and i dont remember the date. and i am not entirely sure why ITNR does not have IPL. i really thought we added it when we posted it on main page. -- [[User:Ashishg55|Ashish]][[User talk:Ashishg55|-g55]] 04:09, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::[[Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates/March 2009#ITN candidates for March 25|Link to the discussion]]. Heh. That was bad (but the Massachusetts election was worse). And I supported for IPL. (The link below screwed up-- it's March, not May, where the long discussion happened.) &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 14:13, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::::We're now off topic but here's the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates/May_2009 May 2009 ITN discussion]--see the May 25 section.  The IPL final result was posted.  And I'm surprised at the opposition to it, it's clearly the top professional 20/20 club cricket league--if not the top professional club cricket league in general--with players from around the world.  The cricket world cup may be a much bigger deal, but that's not a ''club'' competition.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 12:36, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

====Another Earthquake in Haiti====
I think we can add that an aftershock as hit Haiti at 6.0 on the richter scale. This just happened. [http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/100120/world/cb_haiti_earthquake_7]--[[User:Everyone Dies In the End|Everyone Dies In the End]] ([[User talk:Everyone Dies In the End|talk]]) 12:12, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support'''' - an article need for example: ''[[List of 2010 Haiti earthquake aftershocks]]''. - [[User:TouLouse|TouLouse]] ([[User talk:TouLouse|talk]]) 13:26, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''support''' considering this is still one of the top stories all around. i suggest replacing the current earthquake blurb to mention this aftershock and moving it up. -- [[User:Ashishg55|Ashish]][[User talk:Ashishg55|-g55]] 14:46, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''', and updates could simply be added to the main earthquake article. [[User:Unitanode|<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-variant:small-caps;color:#999999">Unit</span>]][[User talk:Unitanode|<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-variant:small-caps;color:#63739F">'''''Anode'''''</span>]] 14:48, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''', + agree with Unitanode. [[w:User:Ks0stm|<b style="color:#009900;">Ks0stm</b>]] <sup>([[User talk:Ks0stm|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Ks0stm|C]]•[[User:Ks0stm/Guestbook|G]])</sup> 15:17, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
:FYI there was an earthquake of a similar reading yesterday. —<small> <span style="border:2px solid #000;padding:1px;">&nbsp;[[User:Cargoking|<span style="color:#000080;">'''Cargoking'''</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Cargoking|<span style="color:#f9f9f9;background:#000000;">&nbsp;talk&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 15:22, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''Support'''. There have been quite a few serious aftershocks, so perhaps a list isn't a bad thing, but it could always be added to a section in the article. The blurb is getting old, but the story isn't so I see no problem with this. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJMitchell'''</font>]]  [[User_Talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">You rang? </font>]]  15:24, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
:::If someone can update the [[2010 Haiti earthquake|main article]] a bit more (it is two sentences at the moment) and can think of a good blurb then I am happy to post this - [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 17:02, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
::::'''Support'''--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 17:32, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''Updated'''. I've added 3 or 4 refs to news services and all the essential details. Background information was already present. Is that sufficient? [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJMitchell'''</font>]]  [[User_Talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">You rang? </font>]]  17:41, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Yeah, that looks great.  Can you think of a blurb to go up? - [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 17:58, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
Hmm, best I can think of is:
*A strong '''[[2010 Haiti earthquake#Aftershocks|aftershock]]''' measuring 6.5[[Moment magnitude scale|M<sub>w</sub>]] strikes [[Haiti]], one week after an [[2010 Haiti earthquake|earthquake]] which caused widespread disruption. 
::::The article has plenty of pretty pictures in it, can we use one of them? [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJMitchell'''</font>]]  [[User_Talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">You rang? </font>]]  18:14, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

: Why not just change the current blurb to say "An earthquake, and a series of very stong aftershocks, stikes Haiti."? - [[User:Adolphus79|Adolphus79]] ([[User talk:Adolphus79|talk]]) 18:16, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
:::I think a new blurb is probably in order to avoid it going stale- the original quake was over a week ago now, so it's probably better to take a ''slightly'' different angle. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJMitchell'''</font>]]  [[User_Talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">You rang? </font>]]  18:19, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
*A 6.5[[Moment magnitude scale|M<sub>w</sub>]] [[aftershock]] to the '''[[2010 Haiti earthquake|recent earthquake in Haiti]]''' causes panic among the <s>local</s> population, as the [[United Nations Security Council|UN Security Council]] approves more [[Peacekeeping|peacekeepers]] and the [[United States Marine Corps|U.S.&nbsp;Marines]] deploy in the country.

:(''ec'')I've extended the blurb to cover other recent developments that have been internationally reported: I hope this won't offend anyone who was only supporting the relatively minor aftershock. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 18:26, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
::I see no problem with that- I've got BBC News 24 on at the minute and they're reporting the other developments. You wording's better than my hastily concocted blurb anyway! [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJMitchell'''</font>]]  [[User_Talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">You rang? </font>]]  18:30, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
:reading it again, after a few minutes pause, the "local" should be removed! Nobody's perfect, especially not myself! [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 18:38, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Posted''' I considered adding the new material here, but I think we'd be talking about too much; the aftershock and the UN/US stuff isn't exactly related. However, I think if we were to include more info about recovery efforts, we should omit the piece about the U.S. Marines. There are a lot of countries helping out in the effort, and I don't see any reason why one country (the U.S.) should be singled out for their efforts. The UN peacekeepers are a more collaborative effort, so that's fine. -- '''[[User:Tariqabjotu|<span style="color:black;">tariq</span><span style="color:gray;">abjotu</span>]]''' 19:05, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
::Fair enough. I don't entirely agree, but discussion (if anyone wants to make any) should be directed to [[WT:ITN]] please. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 19:08, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
:::I think this is a good way to keep Haiti in ITN for a little longer. -- [[User:Mwalcoff|Mwalcoff]] ([[User talk:Mwalcoff|talk]]) 23:34, 20 January 2010 (UTC)


==January 19==
{{Portal:Current events/2010 January 19}}
===ITN candidates for January 19===

====[[United States Senate special election in Massachusetts, 2010]]====
(Carried over from the talk page)
As mentioned in the talk page, this is not a typical special election (by-election) for several reasons:
*If the Republicans win the seat, they will have enough seats to successfully [[filibuster]] legislation if they maintain party unity.
*Speculation is that if the Republicans win the seat, it may derail the [[Health care reform in the United States|Democratic health-care legislation]].
*Massachusetts is often considered the most Democratic state in the country, and the seat being contested had been won by a Kennedy in every election since 1952. A Republican victory would generate huge waves in the American political scene and be a sign of tremendous trouble in the Democratic camp going into the nationwide general elections in November.
*Obama is personally campaigning for the Democratic candidate in Massachusetts, and a loss would be seen as a major blow to his prestige.
*Because of the above factors and the Republican's unexpectedly strong showing in the polls, the election has generated tremendous national attention, far more than would be the case in a typical special election for a congressional seat. It is right now (before the polls have closed) the top story or among the top stories at Google News, The New York Times, The Washington Post, The Wall Street Journal and USA Today and will undoubtedly show up on the top of more places when the results come out. Google News counts 5,546 articles in its thread on the election including Reuters (that's UK), AFP (France), BBC, the Telegraph (UK), the Guardian (UK) and the Canadian Press.
*There's solid Wikipedia content on this topic.
*To repeat what I said on the talk page, U.S. senators have tremendous leeway and power and are not comparable to backbenchers in a Westminster system or even first-term members of the U.S. House of Representatives.

I'm of the belief that because this race has generated such crazy attention, it's very newsworthy even if the Democrats hold onto the seat and should go up either way. Polls close at 8 EST (0000 UTC).

Suggested wording:
*[[U.S. Republican Party|Republican]] [[Scott Brown]] is '''[[United States Senate special election in Massachusetts, 2010|elected]]''' to the [[U.S. Senate]] from [[Massachusetts]] in a major upset that may derail [[Health care reform in the United States|Democratic health-care legislation]].
*[[U.S. Democratic Party|Democrat]] [[Martha Coakley]] is '''[[United States Senate special election in Massachusetts, 2010|elected]]''' to the [[U.S. Senate]] from [[Massachusetts]] in a [[special election]] that generated much national attention.

I'm done now. -- [[User:Mwalcoff|Mwalcoff]] ([[User talk:Mwalcoff|talk]]) 23:49, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

'''Conditional, and weak, support''' Normally, I would oppose this type of nomination, because it's dealing with a single senate seat in one country.  However, so long as the blurb talks about how this victory has lost the Democrats their supermajority, I would support ONLY IF Brown wins.  It's one thing to be dealing with a nomination regarding a couple of governors, as we had a little while back.  However, if the Democrats lose their their supermajority, this is a big deal, and I'm saying this as a Brit with a track record of opposing this kind of nomination.  IF, however, Coakley wins, I would not support, because that result won't have altered the strategic situation, regardless of the national coverage. [[User:HonouraryMix|HonouraryMix]] ([[User talk:HonouraryMix|talk]]) 00:15, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
:Suggested blurb if Brown wins: The [[Republican Party (United States)|Republican Party]] victory in the [[United States Senate special election in Massachusetts, 2010|Senate election in Massachusetts]] results in the [[Democratic Party (United States|Democratic Party]] losing their [[supermajority]] in the [[United States Senate]]. [[User:HonouraryMix|HonouraryMix]] ([[User talk:HonouraryMix|talk]]) 00:23, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
**'''Oppose''' if Democrats retain the seat, because it's just business as usual '''[[User:YellowMonkey|<span style="color:GoldenRod;">YellowMonkey</span>]]'''  (''[[User_talk:YellowMonkey|<span style="color:#FA8605;">bananabucket</span>]]'')  00:19, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
**'''Conditional support''' if Brown(R) wins - As pointed out above, the important issue is the balance of power.  A Brown victory would have the result of the Democrats losing their current super-majority and thus causing a significant change to the current balance of power.  A Coakley victory will simply maintain the current situation until the next regularly scheduled election. --''[[User: Allen3|Allen3]]''&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Allen3|talk]]</sup> 00:29, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' if Democrats retain, as that changes nothing; '''very, very weak support''' if Brown wins. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 00:32, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
:::'''Strongest possible oppose'''. This is of no relevance to anyone outside the United States. The reason we don't feature things like this and state gubernatorial elections is because, despite the number of people affected (cue hurling of statistics to prove how important America is...), it has no bearing on the international community-  nothing will change outside of the US and very little will change within Massachusetts on a day to day basis as a result of this election. Someone will inevitably argue that we feature the national elections of "obscure" small states with populations of only a few hundred thousand but these have a direct impact on that country and its neighbours and the foreign policy of those countries. Hence, various heads of state/government fly to meet them. Whoever wins this election, though, life will go on as normal everywhere except Capitol Hill- I doubt the Canadian Prime minister or the Mexican President will be queueing up to meet some state senator. For the record, my opinion would be the same wherever this was happening. It simply is not of international significance, regardless of how significant it is in America. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJMitchell'''</font>]]  [[User_Talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">You rang? </font>]]  00:34, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
::::"It has no bearing on the international community" ... '''So what?''' Who says we can only include items with "bearing on the international community?" If there is a great deal of interest among Wikipedia users in a subject and it is "encyclopedic" and it affects a lot of people ''and'' there is quality Wikipedia content behind it, what possible reason is there not to put it up? -- [[User:Mwalcoff|Mwalcoff]] ([[User talk:Mwalcoff|talk]]) 00:56, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::Oh, and by the way, [[Ted Kennedy]] (whose seat this was) was not a [[state senator]]. A state senator would sit in the [[Massachusetts Senate]] in Boston. Kennedy was a U.S. Senator, which is quite a different thing. -- [[User:Mwalcoff|Mwalcoff]] ([[User talk:Mwalcoff|talk]]) 00:59, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
::::The election has got the sort of international coverage we usually require for ITN pieces, so I won't oppose on those grounds. I still think we shouldn't run it if the Democrat wins: echoing other people above, a Democrat winning in a Massachusetts election is not a big deal. On the other hand, a Republican win would mean that the democrats lose their supermajority in the [[United States Senate]], which is probably an ITN story. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 01:06, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
::::In the case of a Republican victory, my suggested blurb is: "The [[Democratic Party (United States|Democratic Party]] loses their [[supermajority]] in the [[United States Senate]] after a '''[[United States Senate special election in Massachusetts, 2010|special election]]''' in [[Massachusetts]]."
:::::Minor tweak: U.S. English would say '''its''' supermajority, not "their." -- [[User:Mwalcoff|Mwalcoff]] ([[User talk:Mwalcoff|talk]]) 01:28, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
*The AP is now calling the race for Brown. -- [[User:Mwalcoff|Mwalcoff]] ([[User talk:Mwalcoff|talk]]) 02:27, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per HJ. ''No'' international significance. Even the domestic importance is speculation and requires the assumption that health care was going to pass in the first place. '''[[User:Grsz11|<span style="color:black;">Grsz</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Grsz11|<b><span style="color:red;">11</span></b>]]</sup>''' 02:38, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
**There is no requirement that ITN items have "international significance." The only requirement is that there be "international interest," which in this case has been demonstrated. There is little "international significance" in many ITN items, such as the bus crash in Papua New Guinea. As for the "domestic importance," the entire national American media thinks this is important enough to dominate the news right now (along with Haiti follow-ups). If The Wall Street Journal and New York Times and Washington Post and CNN and MSNBC and Time and Newsweek and every other "serious" news outlet you can think of considers this to be "important," doesn't that indicate that it might be? -- [[User:Mwalcoff|Mwalcoff]] ([[User talk:Mwalcoff|talk]]) 03:08, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' I'm afraid I must oppose. Although this is a highly significant election here in the US its significance is essentially that the US Health Care Reform Act will likely not pass in Congress, at least in its current form. This issue is almost strictly domestic.--[[User:Cdogsimmons|Cdogsimmons]] ([[User talk:Cdogsimmons|talk]]) 03:31, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
**I don't mean to try to dominate the discussion, but I'm afraid I'm having a very hard time understanding what the big issue is with this being a "domestic" item. First of all, we have plenty of domestic items. The death of the West Bengal chief minister is an Indian domestic item. The bus crash in Papua New Guinea is a PNG domestic item. The riots in Nigeria are a Nigerian domestic item. Secondly, '''who cares?''' All ITN items are of interest to some people and not to others. The eclipse item is of interest to astronomy fans. The diamond thing was of interest to people who like chemistry. The item on the stolen art was of interest to art lovers. None of them were of interest to everyone. This suggested item is of interest predominantly to Americans. So what? It's only one item! No one's suggesting making it the only item. All that's important is that, to quote the ITN criteria, it's "of wide interest to the encyclopedia's readers." The ironic thing is this election is probably of interest to many times more English Wikipedia users than most ITN items. Can't people see the fallacy in disqualifying exceptionally notable American domestic items on the basis that not everyone is interested in them while regularly putting up items of interest to far fewer users? Am I the only one who sees this? -- [[User:Mwalcoff|Mwalcoff]] ([[User talk:Mwalcoff|talk]]) 03:43, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
**<unlurk>In my opinion, this election probably has more global significance than at least two of the items up there now, and possibly more than three. <relurk> [[User:J.delanoy|<span style="color:green;">J'''.'''delanoy</span>]][[User Talk:J.delanoy|<sup style="color:red;">gabs</sup>]][[Special:Contributions/J.delanoy|<sub style="color:blue;">adds</sub>]] 04:27, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
***Mwalcoff - no, you are not alone in seeing that. —<font face="Baskerville Old Face">[[User:the_ed17|<font color="800000">Ed</font>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:the_ed17|<font color="800000">(talk</font>]] • [[WP:OMT|<font color="800000">majestic titan)</font>]]</font> 04:42, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
Well the Democrats have lost the supermajority now [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8466995.stm (BBC News)], so this is no longer a hypothetical discussion. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 03:59, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Neutral'''.  The election of one US senator is clearly not an ITN item by itself.  The notability clearly lies in the 'supermajority' issue.  The loss of power in a country's legislature by the ruling power would be reported in the normal course of events for any country.  The loss of a 'supermajority' isn't quite that big a deal.  My main problem here is that I'm not sure most Americans know what the 'supermajority' really is, let alone people outside the US.  It's only become significant in recent years.  In past decades I would have assumed a 'supermajority' meant enough to override a veto (67 votes).--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 04:27, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''Comment'''--I think the 'no international significance' argument here is invalid.  As Mwalcoff has demonstrated many items on ITN have arguably little or no international significance.  And 'international significance' is highly subjective anyway.  This item certainly has some international significance as the US senate deals with foreign policy, plus it is being reported in foreign newspapers.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 04:27, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
*'''Strong support''' - what's more important here: the death of Jyoti Basu, a West Bengali politician, or the Democrats' loss of a supermajority and the resultant loss of the ability to stop a Republican filibuster? Anti-American bias sickens me just as much as pro-American bias. This has attracted much international attention, and&mdash;when you factor in that 3395 million people from the US come to Wikipedia in any given month&mdash;it would be utterly ridiculous for this not to appear on ITN. —<font face="Baskerville Old Face">[[User:the_ed17|<font color="800000">Ed</font>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:the_ed17|<font color="800000">(talk</font>]] • [[WP:OMT|<font color="800000">majestic titan)</font>]]</font> 04:40, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
*'''Strong support''' - I actually keep checking back here to see if it's been updated yet. I love how the most significant story with the strongest influence isn't up there, while Japan Airlines, a candy company, and a West Bengali Communist politican are. As if the death of a West Bengali socialist has any international influence? Bizarre. [[Special:Contributions/75.69.179.131|75.69.179.131]] ([[User talk:75.69.179.131|talk]]) 04:56, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
**Well '''Support''' and the bus crash should be kicked off. Sad, but unfortunately, transport safety is horrible in third world countries, and while a plane or rail crash will lead to inquiries and maybe reforms, a bus crash or other road accidents never do, and there is never any "legacy". As for the Bengali, well he was regarded as the spiritual head of the communists across India in addition to his explicit rule over 100 million people for 23 years, and the communists have been in coalition with the ruling Congress, and did try to scupper teh nuke deal with the US. So communists do have international impact (unfortunately) '''[[User:YellowMonkey|<span style="color:GoldenRod;">YellowMonkey</span>]]'''  (''[[User_talk:YellowMonkey|<span style="color:#FA8605;">bananabucket</span>]]'')  06:58, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
**I'd strongly oppose any anti-candy bias here at ITN. :P &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 05:40, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
*'''Strong support''' per the two above.  I suggest it be worded "[[Republican Party (United States)|Republican]] [[Scott Brown]] wins the  '''[[United States Senate special election in Massachusetts, 2010‎|Special election]]''' in [[Massachusetts]] for a seat in the [[United States]] [[United States Senate|Senate]], ending the [[Democratic Party (United States)|Democratic]] [[supermajority]]" [[User:DC|<span style="color:#8B0000">'''''~DC'''''</span>]] <sub>[[User talk:DC|<font color="#ffb612" face="Tahoma">Talk To Me</font>]]</sub> 05:10, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
*'''Note:''' There has to be more prose updates on the article. The only prose I see is the "Review" section. We need more reactions and stuff. &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 05:40, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support''' when expanded further. --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 06:33, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support''': You guys should put this on the main page as soon as possible, this is probably the most important American election since Obama was elected. --[[User:William S. Saturn|William S. Saturn]] ([[User talk:William S. Saturn|talk]]) 06:34, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
*'''Additional''' Above, at the top, I gave my weak and conditional support.  Well, further to that, I want to reiterate my position.  Brown has won, and the Democrats has lost its supermajority, so I support.  I'm saying this as a guy who has a consistent record of opposing this type of nomination.  I don't support on the grounds that a dude became a Senator.  I support because Brown's win has resulted in a huge shift in power that's up there with the importance of midterm elections. To the fellows that oppose, I hear you.  I really do, as I'm usually there opposing with you.  But, some individual elections are extremely important, and I believe this is one. [[User:HonouraryMix|HonouraryMix]] ([[User talk:HonouraryMix|talk]]) 06:41, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
**There'll be Congressional elections in the States later this year. Are you guys posting that or only if the GOP becomes the majority? &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 06:45, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
***If you're talking about the midterms, those will be posted, because there's no dispute over whether we should be posting high-level broad legislative electoral events.  If you're talking about elections outside the midterms, then the vast majority of the time, no. [[User:HonouraryMix|HonouraryMix]] ([[User talk:HonouraryMix|talk]]) 06:50, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
****He's refereeing to the midterms I assume since there are no more special elections planned.  [[User:DC|<span style="color:#8B0000">'''''~DC'''''</span>]] <sub>[[User talk:DC|<font color="#ffb612" face="Tahoma">Talk To Me</font>]]</sub> 06:57, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
*****I was referring to the midterms. Not too many countries have midterm elections so there'll be little to compare it with. &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 07:00, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
**Thanks for the clarification.  As I said, midterms will be posted. [[User:HonouraryMix|HonouraryMix]] ([[User talk:HonouraryMix|talk]]) 07:08, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
*Right, so shall we put this up on the front page now?  Remember, there is a consensus that any blurb should note the Democratic Party has lost its supermajority.  Something like "The [[Republican Party (United States)|Republican Party]] victory in the [[United States Senate special election in Massachusetts, 2010|Senate election in Massachusetts]] results in the [[Democratic Party (United States|Democratic Party]] losing their [[supermajority]] in the [[United States Senate]]." [[User:HonouraryMix|HonouraryMix]] ([[User talk:HonouraryMix|talk]]) 07:08, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
**The article still has to be updated. &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 07:15, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
*'''Weak Support''' as a natural continution of our decision to feature the feature the Al Franken victory last time something which I supported then and in fact and issue which I was one of the first to raise/suggest IIRC. Note that this support only arises because Brown won [[User:Nil Einne|Nil Einne]] ([[User talk:Nil Einne|talk]]) 07:11, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
*'''No particular oppose''' but in the interest of the sadly too often overlooked clause of ENGVAR that calls for the use of [[Wikipedia:VNE|version neutral English]] wherever possible, I would argue against this word ''supermajority'' which I, as a fairly close follower of the news, have never come across before reading this thread.  My knowledge of the workings of the US Senate is limited, but it would appear that the phrase ''three fifths majority'' would be clearer to an international audience. [[User:Kevin McE|Kevin McE]] ([[User talk:Kevin McE|talk]]) 07:23, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' It was only by-elections, we going to have almost upto 10 of them in March. Not significant according to our standards --[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'''</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 07:27, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' It is one seat, and like yousaf said there will be more in March. Ten seems to be more significant than one. --[[User:Plasma Twa 2|<span style="color:#FF0000;">Plasma</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Plasma Twa 2|<span style="color:#FFFFFF;">Twa</span>]][[User talk:Plasma Twa 2|<span style="color:#FF0000;">2</span>]] 07:51, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
::Where are the articles for the special/by-elections in March? Are these in the States? Is there a mathematical possibility of the ruling party being beaten? &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 11:15, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support''', the "no international significance"-argument is both irrelevant and wrong. First of all, international significance is not a criterion, secondly , anyone who has been alive and awake the last 10-20 years will know what enormous significance it has for the international community which partly is in charge of Washington. I'm not too sure about the headline though. Is it strictly correct to say that the Democratic Party have lost their supermajority, seeing how there were only 58 Democrats, and two independents who caucus with the Democrats? Perhaps "the [[Democratic Caucus of the United States Senate|Democratic caucus]]...? [[User:Lampman|Lampman]] ([[User talk:Lampman|talk]]) 08:24, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
'''oppose''' not significant enough.  'nuff said.[[User:Rhodesisland|Rhodesisland]] ([[User talk:Rhodesisland|talk]]) 09:59, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
*Absolutely not "'nuff said." It's "significant enough" by a country mile, as this is being reported on all over the English-speaking world. If this doesn't go up, it will be just another brick in the wall of proof of ITN's anti-American nonsense. So, I guess you might want to count this as a '''strongest possible support'''. [[User:Unitanode|<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-variant:small-caps;color:#999999">Unit</span>]][[User talk:Unitanode|<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-variant:small-caps;color:#63739F">'''''Anode'''''</span>]] 11:09, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
*BTW, would someone post this already? It makes the '''''English''''' Wikipedia look absolutely frigging idiotic to have "The Liberal Democratic Party wins a plurality of seats in elections to the Legislative Chamber of Uzbekistan" and ''not'' have a much more significant electoral happening in the '''''largest English-speaking nation in the world''''' up. Sheesh! [[User:Unitanode|<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-variant:small-caps;color:#999999">Unit</span>]][[User talk:Unitanode|<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-variant:small-caps;color:#63739F">'''''Anode'''''</span>]] 11:17, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
** I just posted it.  Purge your cache. ;) [[User:Jehochman|Jehochman]] <sup>[[User talk:Jehochman|Brrr]]</sup> 11:25, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
*** ITN items are supposed to be posted by consensus. Now, my maths may be off here, but going strictly by numbers, I count almost 50/50. I wouldn't call that consensus. Kudos for having the stones to post it though. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJMitchell'''</font>]]  [[User_Talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">You rang? </font>]]  11:31, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
***:Yes, and consensus isn't number-crunching. The opposes here were all a weak variant of "too American" or "not enough international significance." The former is a laughable and expected argument, that pops up any time a significant American event happens, and the latter is even ''more'' laughable, given that we have electoral results from Uzbekistan included. [[User:Unitanode|<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-variant:small-caps;color:#999999">Unit</span>]][[User talk:Unitanode|<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-variant:small-caps;color:#63739F">'''''Anode'''''</span>]] 11:42, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
**** {{ec}} Consensus also goes by strength of argument, not just numbers.  I found the argument that this event has very substantial geopolitical significance to be convincing.  At the moment this story is on the front page of websites such as [http://www.bbc.co.uk/ The BBC], [http://www.lemonde.fr/ Le Monde], and [http://english.aljazeera.net/ Al Jazeera (English)].  I doubt anybody would accuse those sites of having a pro-American bias. [[User:Jehochman|Jehochman]] <sup>[[User talk:Jehochman|Brrr]]</sup> 11:45, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
*****I'd like to add it's the lead story in this morning's edition of Canada's two national newspapers, the ''National Post'' and ''Globe and Mail''. -- [[Special:Contributions/199.172.169.33|199.172.169.33]] ([[User talk:199.172.169.33|talk]]) 12:32, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
***** The same 'front page story in many countries' argument is routinely ignored for non-US events. Nobody here should be pretending this went up for any other reason other than US centrism. While this circle is not squared in the ITN guidance, nothing will change, and this same hypocritical dance will be played out again and again. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 13:13, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
******Let me know next time that happens and I will do my best to set things right. If wrong in the past, we are not required to continue being wrong for the sake of consistency. [[User:Jehochman|Jehochman]] <sup>[[User talk:Jehochman|Brrr]]</sup> 13:56, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''': How come a by-election (no matter how different the outcome of it is) is just for one seat of a state in USA? Has ITN ran out of other significant international stories? Just because it is a election happening in "English-speaking" region of world does not mean it features in ITN. --[[User:gppande|<font color="red" face="cursive">'''GP'''</font>]][[User talk:gppande|<font color="black" face="cursive">'''Pande'''</font>]] 11:36, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
**The people supporting the item has replied to the opposes. Those who opposed still have to reply to the replies. &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 11:41, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
*** I would like to point out that the article hasn't had significant prose updates since I last pointed out that fact. The article has detailed per-city results, though. &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 11:39, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Local politics, nothing more, nothing less. The idea that this event has international significance would never ever scale up to other countries items - it is pure US centrism, but in the bad way - picking stuff nobody outside America is ''extremely'' interested in. That it 'may' stop legislation and 'harms' Obama's ratings are frankly not Earth shatteringly significant events, except to Republicans, who are not particularly known for their world view perception skills. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 12:41, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
*:Nonsense. Many major foreign press organizations are covering this. And for god's sake, we covered some random development in Uzbekistan's electoral process. Your oppose is nothing more than anti-US bias, and complete and utter rubbish. Fortunately, this isn't a vote, and such nonsense as "not Earth shatteringly significant" are most likely simply discarded. That there are regulars at ITN that actually ''believe'' such nonsense is just astounding, and it makes Wikipedia look insanely stupid. [[User:Unitanode|<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-variant:small-caps;color:#999999">Unit</span>]][[User talk:Unitanode|<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-variant:small-caps;color:#63739F">'''''Anode'''''</span>]] 13:13, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
*::And 'it should go up because we have Uzbek elections' is the same tedious and pointless apples and oranges argument that ITN/C sees everyday. You won't ever see me support the boring treadmill of national election items, but that position is utterly irrelevant to whether this item has merits though. The 'many foreign stories' is another argument that shockingly only seems to work more often than not, for US events. Yes, ITN is insanely stupid, you won't get an argument from me on that point. But sadly, there are enough who think everything's hunky dory to mean that ITC/C just rehashes the same crap day in day out, wasting page after page. I would support anybody attempting to codify the obvious will in some people to have a US bias in ITN, but right now, it goes against what little routinely ignored guidance we do actually have, and more importantly, it blatanly violates NPOV, so my argument is valid - no story with only US implications should get coverage unless it is extremely significant outside of the US. If you think its Earth shatteringly significant, feel free to actually tell me what it effects in non-US citizens people's lives? I'll tell you what I think it affects - sod all!. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 13:28, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
*:::Complete rubbish. There is no requirement that the event be "earth shatteringly significant" to be included. Nor is there a requirement that "effects in non-US citizens people's lives" be shown before inclusion. You really need to stop allowing your anti-Americanism to color your statements. It makes you look quite foolish. [[User:Unitanode|<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-variant:small-caps;color:#999999">Unit</span>]][[User talk:Unitanode|<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-variant:small-caps;color:#63739F">'''''Anode'''''</span>]] 13:42, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::@Unitanode, i have chosen not to participate in this discussion but im still reading... please do not call anyone's comments ''rubbish'' or '' nonsense''. You were warned about it before and you are doing it again. None of your comments will be taken seriously if you continue it. -- [[User:Ashishg55|Ashish]][[User talk:Ashishg55|-g55]] 14:06, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::::@Ashishg55, save your lectures. When someone (in this case, MacNee) posts anti-US rubbish, I'll [[WP:SPADE|call it that]], thanks. I've backed up my reasoning with facts (international media coverage, particularly), while the opposes have used only rubbish like "not earth shatteringly significant." Sorry, but calling rubbish "rubbish" is not inappropriate. If you don't like it, that's fine, but it doesn't make me wrong to have done so. As I said, save your lectures. [[User:Unitanode|<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-variant:small-caps;color:#999999">Unit</span>]][[User talk:Unitanode|<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-variant:small-caps;color:#63739F">'''''Anode'''''</span>]] 14:21, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::::I'm fine with that. You can bring your spade to any future debate on a similar non-US item, it will come in handy digging that big hole you will find yourself in when you try and reverse your arguments to keep the item off the page based on 'international significance'. I'll be there with my 'bias' making the exact same points, and you'll be ... well, we'll see what you do. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 14:48, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::Unitanode, can I point out one tiny difference between Massachusetts and Uzbekistan? The latter is a ''country''. A ''sovereign state''. The former is not. We didn't cover a very important story about the head of the Northern Ireland Assembly stepping down (probably more significant to UK/Irish politics than this is to American politics) and rightly so, because it was of no interest to the majority of readers outside Western Europe at most. This is of some bearing on Massachusetts politics and a bit on US politics, but nothing more. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJMitchell'''</font>]]  [[User_Talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">You rang? </font>]]  14:15, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::::This election affected greatly the legislature of the US, making your "it's only a state" argument completely without merit. [[User:Unitanode|<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-variant:small-caps;color:#999999">Unit</span>]][[User talk:Unitanode|<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-variant:small-caps;color:#63739F">'''''Anode'''''</span>]] 14:21, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::::It's one seat! One seat in a legislature is not a big deal. Frankly, give it 24 hours and most ''Americans'' will have forgotten so how can the rest of the world be expected to give a flying fuck? [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJMitchell'''</font>]]  [[User_Talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">You rang? </font>]]  14:26, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::The "one seat" removed the Democratic party's supermajority. And there's some irony in your dropping of a moronic civility warning on my talkpage, while simultaneously talking about what you don't give a "flying fuck" about. [[User:Unitanode|<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-variant:small-caps;color:#999999">Unit</span>]][[User talk:Unitanode|<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-variant:small-caps;color:#63739F">'''''Anode'''''</span>]] 14:50, 20 January 2010 (UTC)  
*::::I couldn't give a monkeys what you think my motives are or what general insults you want to fling my way. My arguments and observations are there in black and white, and hold water for both US and non-US stories. It is utterly pointless to be talking about what the 'requirements' say, they don't say anything useful at all, as you well know. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 14:16, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
*<big><big>'''Oppose!'''</big></big> Last summer I was in a debate over the death of Ted. I opposedddddddd. People chit-chatted about me [http://wikipediareview.com/lofiversion/index.php?t26226.html on the far corners of the internet]. I don't care and am fighting now. I am giving with this example: Senator X of the [[National Congress of Bolivia]] (the equivalent of where Ted was) has died. Everyone is sad, so they should be. Senator X of Party J had held the party seat for decades. Now, Person Y of Party J is contesting Person Z of Party K for Senator X's place. Person Z wins the bye-election reducing some crappy majority that helps stop Party K from delaying Senate proceedings. This is not changing the government nor changing Party J's majority. Based on discussion above this should be posted. So should every bye-election, every time a politician dies or moves aside. But no. No person in their right mind will post all of these. But sure you can post this, because it's the US. This is wrong. —<small> <span style="border:2px solid #000;padding:1px;">&nbsp;[[User:Cargoking|<span style="color:#000080;">'''Cargoking'''</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Cargoking|<span style="color:#f9f9f9;background:#000000;">&nbsp;talk&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 14:29, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
*:Congratulations. Your oppose has just taken over as the most anti-US and uninformed yet. You should be proud. [[User:Unitanode|<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-variant:small-caps;color:#999999">Unit</span>]][[User talk:Unitanode|<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-variant:small-caps;color:#63739F">'''''Anode'''''</span>]] 14:32, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
::I disagree with both of those titles. I am not "anti-US". On a separate note, some people have mentioned the international coverage. Take a look at all the other Wikipedias. It is quite visible that they do not have this story. —<small> <span style="border:2px solid #000;padding:1px;">&nbsp;[[User:Cargoking|<span style="color:#000080;">'''Cargoking'''</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Cargoking|<span style="color:#f9f9f9;background:#000000;">&nbsp;talk&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 15:02, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
:::This is "In the '''''NEWS'''''", not "In the non-English Wikipedias." [[User:Unitanode|<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-variant:small-caps;color:#999999">Unit</span>]][[User talk:Unitanode|<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-variant:small-caps;color:#63739F">'''''Anode'''''</span>]] 15:14, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
;Comment by closing admin:
As I said above, I was not at all convinced by the oppose arguments. I also discounted any opposes prior to the close of the election who said "no if the Democrat wins" because in fact the Republican candidate won.  At the moment this story is on the front page of news websites such as [http://www.bbc.co.uk/ The BBC], [http://www.lemonde.fr/ Le Monde], and [http://english.aljazeera.net/ Al Jazeera (English)].  I doubt anybody would accuse those sites of having a pro-American bias.  Clearly this is a highly notable event, drawing news coverage around the world. It appears to be much more substantial than some of the other ITN listings.  The meta debate going on here about appropriate ITN criteria should be taken to [[Wikipedia talk:In the news]]. Should another administrator wish to review my decision, please do two things, (1) contact me, and (2) make sure you get my agreement or a good thorough consensus here before reversing this listing.  Thank you. [[User:Jehochman|Jehochman]] <sup>[[User talk:Jehochman|Brrr]]</sup> 14:17, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
*:What is the international implecations of this election? Atleast within US? Is it affecting entire US? Also, what is the impact of the election result? One party losing a supermajority in Senate of one US state is the only impact as seen from the blurb. There are many significant events happening across the globe. From my past memory, ITN never sported subnational elections in 2008 or 2009. Is this a new trend in 2010? --[[User:gppande|<font color="red" face="cursive">'''GP'''</font>]][[User talk:gppande|<font color="black" face="cursive">'''Pande'''</font>]] 14:22, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
*::Good grief, people aren't even paying attention! It's not the supermajority in ONE STATE, it's the supermajority in the Senate of the WHOLE COUNTRY! Did you even bother to read any of the actual news stories about it? Did you bother to read the linked articles? This is about the loss of the necessary supermajority in the Senate for the largest English-speaking country in the world. [[User:Unitanode|<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-variant:small-caps;color:#999999">Unit</span>]][[User talk:Unitanode|<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-variant:small-caps;color:#63739F">'''''Anode'''''</span>]] 14:29, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Sorry my bad in typing. Yes, I did read. My point is, has Obama or any party collapsed? As it did during [[Indian general election, 1998]]? The 16 day old central government collapsed due to 1 vote or Member of Parliament. That is a significant event. For this by-election, what is the over all impact in terms of entire state or US? --[[User:gppande|<font color="red" face="cursive">'''GP'''</font>]][[User talk:gppande|<font color="black" face="cursive">'''Pande'''</font>]] 14:36, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
::::Read the articles in any of the major international newspapers. It will explain the significance to you. I'm under no obligation to do so, when the international coverage is so extensive, and the significance so easy to understand simply from reading said coverage. [[User:Unitanode|<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-variant:small-caps;color:#999999">Unit</span>]][[User talk:Unitanode|<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-variant:small-caps;color:#63739F">'''''Anode'''''</span>]] 14:40, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::I've read all the coverage. It told me nothing of how this affects the life of anybody who is not a US citizen. US health policy is not a matter of international significance. The Republicans can pretend all they want that this derails Obama's presidency and therefore has international significance, but they are living in cloud-cuckoo land tbh. It at best causes a delay due to not having a 'super majority'. But a country not having a super majority is hardly unusual either in the rest of the world. Don't confuse 'newsworthy' with 'significant', and don't pretend that internationally 'newsworthy' has ever been the sole bar for inclusion for ITN, US item or not. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 15:14, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::Very few ITN items would conform to your "affects the life of anybody who is not a [X] citizen." How exactly did the bus crash affect any lives outside that country? You set up convenient bars, when it suits your purposes, that aren't required of ITN items. It's of international ''interest'' whether you like it or not, and that is ''all'' that matters. [[User:Unitanode|<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-variant:small-caps;color:#999999">Unit</span>]][[User talk:Unitanode|<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-variant:small-caps;color:#63739F">'''''Anode'''''</span>]] 15:40, 20 January 2010 (UTC) 
:::::::I could give less of a toss about the bus crash currently being on ITN. I didn't support it, Tone is the admin that posted it with just two supports and no opposes, and he has in the past pulled items with even more support than this US story has when they are, like this one, utterly disputed. Like I said, ITN is insane, but that is irrelevant to this item. Like it or not, it is utter crap to simply say that ITN always posts items of 'international interest', anybody who spends any time here knows this to be totally false, and is only something that handily crops up when people come along to railroad a US news item (and again, this is funnily enough the only time that people also start insisting ITN is about posting what is 'in the news'). Unless or until that wish for a clear US slant is acted on in the criteria, rather than just happening in situations where an admin who knows nothing of ITN turns up, then I will continue to ask you how this item is internationally significant instead of just international interest, something I and many others often ask for any item of only ''local'' significance, whether 'local' means the US or not. Alternativley, you can stop regular ITN admins like like Tone from listing barely supported items giving a bad impression that ITN is consistent, or worse, stop him from delisting items which have already been shown to have 'international interest', but are otherwise disputed, giving the impression that ITN is not just for stuff which is in the international news. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 16:15, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
*::{{ec}} The international implication is very large, as is the national implication. With a supermajority the Democrats can pass all the legislation they spell out in their agenda, including domestic and foreign policy. Without that supermajority, the Obama Administration is much less powerful. (As you suggest, yes, this is partial collapse.) This is a very significant '''national''' and international event. Why else do you think it is making headlines around the world? Check the three links I posted above. To address another argument above, many US states are comparable to nations. The gross state product of Massachussets is USD 351 billion; Uzbekistan has a GNP of about USD 72 billion. Per [[California|our article]], "As of 2006, California's GDP is larger than all but eight countries in the world." [[User:Jehochman|Jehochman]] <sup>[[User talk:Jehochman|Brrr]]</sup> 14:38, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
*:::Its internationaly 'interesting', claiming anything else is just highly dubious. You need to stick around ITN longer then just dipping in for this debate to see how often these 'international interest but only national significance' type items succeed when they are not US stories. If its not a national election, its almost never. If you want to stick around for the meta discussion for how to fix that issue, you will be waiting a long time. But suffice to say, arguments such as 'the US is a really big place' is nothing new to ITN, and there is still no consensus either way as whether that means anything for ITN or not. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 15:01, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::I've been lurking here for a long time.  This interesting debate drew me out of my cave.  As I said above, if wrong has been done before, let's stop it now and for good. [[User:Jehochman|Jehochman]] <sup>[[User talk:Jehochman|Brrr]]</sup> 15:44, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::I'm aware of the statistics and they make a compelling argument, but state governors do not sit on bodies like the UN Security Council or represent the USA on an international stage, though thank you for bothering to justify your position in such an articulate manner. I have followed this argument and the news coverage of this election, so I'm probably at least as well informed as anybody here and I still fail to see how this is of significance outside the USA. As an aside (this is not directed at Mr Hochman), I do wish people would shut up about some supposed bias- any pro-US or anti-US bias is entirely imagined and the majority of participants here are capable of making a neutral, detached analysis. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJMitchell'''</font>]]  [[User_Talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">You rang? </font>]]  14:51, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

::::::Do the drivers of the two buses that collided, killing 40 people, sit on any international councils?  We have a lot of relatively unimportant news listed, yet people are arguing to exclude an event that will surely be noted in future history books.  (Ten years from now who will remember the bus collision?)  Does the USD 11.5 billion merger of two candy companies somehow eclipse a change in power at the US Senate?  (The Senate has the ability to restrict trillions of dollars of budget.)  The criteria being advocated by the opposers seems completely arbitrary and illogical.  I for one am going to stand up and apply common sense to decide which opinions are clueful, and which are not, when judging the consensus.  To your question, the US Congress has several possible statuses.  In addition to one party or the other being in the majority, there is also a divided Congress where the House goes to one party and the Senate to the other, and there is a supermajority status where one party has enough votes to prevent a Senate [[fillibuster]].  That status has just changed.  All political strategies on a national level in the United States are now different.  This will impact US foreign policy for sure. A change in the status does not happen very often, and when it does, it is big news.  So big that it is reported on the front page of every major news site worldwide.  Why should Wikipedia be any different?  I am not convinced by the oppose arguments. We should be concerned that various political interests have occasionally tried to sway the content in Wikipedia to support their political goals.  We should allow none of that. [[User:Jehochman|Jehochman]] <sup>[[User talk:Jehochman|Brrr]]</sup> 15:41, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::::OK, just humour me a little more. When ''was'' the last time this happened? Also, as I mentioned above, the bus crash was the worst in the history of Papau New Guinea , which I'd say makes it pretty significant and the Kraft buyout of Cadbury created the largest confectionery company on the planet, I believe. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJMitchell'''</font>]]  [[User_Talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">You rang? </font>]]  15:50, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::About 30 years ago. The last supermajority was the [[95th United States Congress]]. [[User:Jehochman|Jehochman]] <sup>[[User talk:Jehochman|Brrr]]</sup> 19:06, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

:I echo the sentiment that accusations of bias should not been thrown around.  Such accusations are unfounded (I'm a Brit, and I supported this nom, for example), and do nothing to promote working together in a productive manner. [[User:HonouraryMix|HonouraryMix]] ([[User talk:HonouraryMix|talk]]) 15:00, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

*'''Oppose''' rather than getting into personal opinions, I'll go by news organisations. No mention of it on [http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/default.stm BBC News America], not even in the "other top stories" list. No mention on [http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/ CNN World News]. Now I haven't checked all international news sources, only these two. The fact that there is ''no'' mention of this asserts to me that this is just a US politics "shock" that the newspapers love to write about. Nothing of significane here what so ever. Please remove it. '''[[User:Jolly Janner|<span style="color:#00824A;">Jolly</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Jolly Janner|<span style="color:#2A5FFF;">Ω</span>]] [[User talk:Jolly Janner|<span style="color:#00824A;">Janner</span>]]''' 16:29, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
**Eh... it's (the aftermath of the story anyway) is [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8470187.stm the top story] in the Americas section of BBC News. Heck, the picture of Brown is the first thing you'll see in the [http://www.bbc.co.uk/ BBC News homepage] (except for the header). &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 16:33, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
**Likewise, entering cnn + CTRL + ENTER brings me up to [http://www.cnn.com/ this webpage] the Brown story is the top story. &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 16:38, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

:Six hours ago, it [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8466995.stm was a top story] on the BBC, and as Howard pointed out, the aftermath is still on the front page. [[User:Unitanode|<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-variant:small-caps;color:#999999">Unit</span>]][[User talk:Unitanode|<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-variant:small-caps;color:#63739F">'''''Anode'''''</span>]] 16:41, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' Oppose or support aside, what prose update was there? I see two sentences under "Review" and two under "Results". Is this substantial enough? '''[[User:Grsz11|<span style="color:black;">Grsz</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Grsz11|<b><span style="color:red;">11</span></b>]]</sup>''' 16:54, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
**This is what I've been saying half-a-day ago. There was not enough prose updates. &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 17:19, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

:'''Strongest possible oppose'''. Technicalities of domestic politics have no place on ITN. This has ZERO interest for anyone outside the US, and runs completely counter to the ITN guidelines. Incidentally there's no such thing as a 'closing admin' on ITN/C, discussion can continue after it goes up. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 18:02, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
::ZERO (ALL CAPS) interest? Why is it the top story on non-U.S. websites? So the U.S. invaded those? &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 18:07, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
'''Pathetic''' This whole conversation is reminiscent of what happened after Ted Kennedy's death when people jostled for hours about how the item shouldn't have gone up because, despite the fact it was well-covered in the news, it happened in the U.S. and so there must have been some kind of U.S. bias involved. Get over it. Please. -- '''[[User:Tariqabjotu|<span style="color:black;">tariq</span><span style="color:gray;">abjotu</span>]]''' 18:11, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
*Who needs to ge over what exactly? It's pretty clear that both Ted Kennedy and this by-election was only posted because it is an American interest story. That is a simple fact. The only reason the conversation is reminiscent of Ted Kennedy, is that ITN likes to rehash the same argument time and again, and people look at you all confused when you suggest there might be a better way to regularise this obvious tendency to US bias. Either that, or we will all meet back here when similar type stories emerge in the UK and everybody decides to forget what definitions of ITN worthyness they used last time. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 21:18, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
:[[Hear hear|<s>Here here</s> hear hear]] &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 18:13, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
::This argument that this story is of ZERO interest to people outside the US is simply false given the extensive media coverage outside the US.  If it's zero interest why was it a top headline on a French newspaper?  And this is the only argument I can really see from the opposers on this one.  It may be objectionable that US politics receives a disproportionate amount of coverage in the global media, but that's something Wikipedia cannot change.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 02:27, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
:::US politics does not get disproportionate coverage in international media, not compared to similar English speaking countries anyway. Americans might think it does, but it really doesn't. But on the 'its a French headline' argument, just take a look at what appears on the French site quoted for the other 364.5 days of the year, and see how many times it is is also an international story, and then whether it corresponds to something that makes it onto ITN. Then maybe you might understand why people are saying that this on its own is not evidence of international interest that carries any weight in ITN normally, and why it looks such an obviously biased and weak argument now, for a US local significance event. Not necessarily a bad thing, but the sad fact is nobody is ever likely to accept that this test of international interest could just apply normally, because then we are back to the old chestnut that 'ITN is not for news, unless or until it is for news'. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 02:52, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Can you give an example of an event that was a top headline on Le Monde, BBC News, and Al Jazeera that didn't make ITN?--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 03:07, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
::::Very likely, 'balloon boy' and the death of Anna Nicole Smith being two. Possibly also Madeline McCann at some stage. IIRC we didn't mention any of the notable captive & raped former kid cases either. Also regular stories like the beginning of the new year. Note that I supported the inclusion of this, I don't however believe the argument 'it's a top headline' so has to be included has any merit, since there are almost definitely items that are top headlines we don't want to mention [[User:Nil Einne|Nil Einne]] ([[User talk:Nil Einne|talk]]) 13:17, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

'''Comment''' OK I'm not coming here to give a view on the notability of the item, but instead want to point something out. When the Ted Kennedy item was listed there was a degree of opposition from many (including myself), because at the time it completely went against the death criteria, which had stated that in political cases only former heads of state got a main page listing. The repecussion of the decision to list Kennedy's death are still be felt now and rather ironically are often criticised by many of the same people who had no problem with TK's listing. As you will be aware since that day there has been a marked increase in the number of deaths being listed on ITN and as far as I am concerned the reason for this is because after Kennedy's death was put up, the threshold for inclusion was dropped remarkably. At the time many of the pro-inclusion users became agressive and insulting and notably a load of admins who never participated before popped to blast and criticise the runnings of ITN. Funnily for most if not all (and I do apologise if any have stayed) they were gone again within days. Now with regards to this item, there are similar parallels. Listing what is effectively an internal by-election that will have no effect outside the US and as of yet no effect within (interestingly the principles of [[WP:CRYSTAL]] have been overlooked) the threshold for political inclusion is being dropped, which could mean that in future we are going to see a huge increase in the number of less notable political items going up. I mean how would it be fair to list this sought of incident for the US, but not for say China, India, Germany, Japan, the UK, France, Brazil, Mexico etc etc. I think my point is, I have no problem with this item being listed, but when, in future a similar case occurs in any major country across the globe, anyone who supported this does not have a leg to stand on terms of opposing. Its all well and good saying this is top story on X or Y, but Wikipedia shouldn't fall in the trap of media sensationalism that so many news organisations seem to follow --[[User:Daviessimo|Daviessimo]] ([[User talk:Daviessimo|talk]]) 10:38, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
:Why should we consider everything equally? Are we commies or something? For example, in the IPL player auction nomination below, let's say there is a cricket league in Samoa that has a similar player auction, are we even going to consider that? &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 12:37, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
::I Agree with Daviessimo with one thing for sure that there are a lot more Deaths that get listed on ITN now. I prefer not to comment on death nominations (after TK) anymore as a result my oppose that used to come for a lot of deaths turned into neutral. Similar thing i can see has happened with many other editors. And a lot more get supported too. Every now and then now we get complaints of how ITN posts too many deaths. i dont know how this will effect later nominations but i hope people are ready for it. -- [[User:Ashishg55|Ashish]][[User talk:Ashishg55|-g55]] 21:34, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
'''Comment''' I've already expressed my support for this item. I just wanted to comment the argument that we wouldn't list a by-election for other countries is IMHO groundless. I would very likely support mentioning a by-election which results in a party losing it's majority (or gaining one) in a parliament or other legislative body for most other countries even if that didn't result in the collapse or change of the government (which it sometimes would) if it were considered resonably significant i.e. made a substanial change to the way the parties to work togethe. In some cases, if there are two parties in a close coalition and one of them formerly had a majority but choose to rule in coalition anyway and then later lost the majority this may not be significant enough. Of course this isn't quite the same thing, the problem is the US has the unusual system of the supermajority being in some ways nearly as important as the majority for the Senate (although I acknowledge because of the oddities of their system, neither are necessarily as big as they are in many other countries since party loyalty is rather less common). Super majorities when they exist in other countries are often less significant. Having said that, I would probably support it if the government of Malaysia gained the 2/3 majority allowing them to amend the constitution since it's often seen as a significant milestone even if even when they had the supermajority for a long time, they didn't really use it that much [[User:Nil Einne|Nil Einne]] ([[User talk:Nil Einne|talk]]) 13:17, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' because you guys put up a stink when [[Al Franken]] won his recount, which made a supermajority in the first place. Mr. Franken was taken down (ask BorgQueen). -[[User:SusanLesch|SusanLesch]] ([[User talk:SusanLesch|talk]]) 22:03, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

* I've taken this off ITN.  The "filibuster-proof supermajority" bit is [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=United_States_Senate_special_election_in_Massachusetts,_2010&diff=prev&oldid=339526796 not referenced] in the [[United States Senate special election in Massachusetts, 2010]] article.  --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 13:17, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

====[[2010 Jos riots]]====
*150 dead - [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8468456.stm] [[User:TouLouse|TouLouse]] ([[User talk:TouLouse|talk]]) 17:00, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
::Support, once the article is longer - [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 17:19, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
::Support, and I've done some work on expanding the article.  I can cite 192 dead, though other sources are still saying ~150.  [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 20:26, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
:::'''Support''' once the article is expanded. --[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 04:32, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support''' [[User:HonouraryMix|HonouraryMix]] ([[User talk:HonouraryMix|talk]]) 06:57, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Thinking about the "hook"

* Around 200 people are killed in '''[[2010 Jos riots|four days of rioting]]''' in the central [[Nigeria]]n town of [[Jos]]

:May include too many numbers that need to be updated, so

* [[2010 Jos riots|Riots]] in the central [[Nigeria]]n town of [[Jos]] result in at least 192 deaths

::Eh, that's not much better. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 18:36, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' -- '''[[User:Tariqabjotu|<span style="color:black;">tariq</span><span style="color:gray;">abjotu</span>]]''' 19:07, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

====[[Neutrality Arch]] to be moved====
An interesting story: This 75m tall arch was built by eccentric dictator [[Saparmyrat Niyazov]] in 1988 and is topped by a rotating gold plated statue of Niyazov.  His successor has ordered it to be moved out of [[Ashgabat]]'s city centre. [http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/8466622.stm (BBC)]  The article needs some work (it is quite short) - [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 15:47, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''I like it'''! 75m tall arches topped with gold-plated statues of dictators that rotate to face the Sun – they just do it for me! Especially when they are being dismantled and moved, rather than simply being violently demolished as is their usual fate. On a par with the [[Gävle Goat|traditional arson of (14m-high) straw goats]]. '''''Strongest support'''''. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 16:28, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' the Neutrality Arch article is a stub. --[[User:Plasma Twa 2|<span style="color:#FF0000;">Plasma</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Plasma Twa 2|<span style="color:#FFFFFF;">Twa</span>]][[User talk:Plasma Twa 2|<span style="color:#FF0000;">2</span>]] 21:27, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
::Yes, I think we need more content before we should feature this. -- [[User:Mwalcoff|Mwalcoff]] ([[User talk:Mwalcoff|talk]]) 23:31, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
:::I have updated and expanded the article, any opinions on it's suitability for the main page? - [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 00:26, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
::::Also note that this move was announced on 18 Jan so that is the correct date for it - [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 00:30, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
:::The article now more than fits our criteria, thanks to Dumelow (and to anyone who helped out whom I've forgotten). But one last question: do we post now or do we wait for April Fool's Day? I propose two blurbs:
*The '''[[Neutrality Arch]]''', a 75-metre high monument to the late [[President of Turkmenistan|President]] of [[Turkmenistan]] [[Saparmurat Niyazov]] capped with a gold-plated statue, is to be relocated to the suburbs of [[Ashgabat]]. (''for now'')
*[[Turkmenistan]] announces the ritual movement of its '''[[Neutrality Arch|monument]]''' to the late [[Saparmurat Niyazov|Sun God]]. (''for April Fool's'')
::Oppose.  This just isn't that big of a deal and will seem awefully obscure to some people.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 09:29, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
'''Opposed''' Concur with Johnsemlak that this isn't that big of a deal, and will be especially obscure if held until 1 April. <s>[[Special:Contributions/75.183.179.28|75.183.179.28]] ([[User talk:75.183.179.28|talk]]) 01:08, 21 January 2010 (UTC)</s> Whoops. This was me logged out for some reason. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 01:11, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
'''Oppose''' I doubt many readers know what the neutrality arch is.  [[User:DC|<span style="color:#8B0000">'''''~DC'''''</span>]] <sub>[[User talk:DC|<font color="#ffb612" face="Tahoma">Talk To Me</font>]]</sub> 01:13, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
:The story obviously isn't going up for now, but I'll take the chance to advertise our April Fools' Day nomination list at [[WP:ITN/APRIL]]: if you really don't like stories about rotating Sun Gods, please find something funnier! [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 14:32, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

====[[Japan Airlines]] bankruptcy====
The Japanese national carrier and largest airline in Asia has filed for bankruptcy and will fire 15,700 employees. The Japanese state is to inject £2 billion into the company.  [http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8466997.stm (BBC)].  [[Japan Airlines|The article]] has a two paragraph update at the moment.  Seems like a good candidate to me - [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 15:43, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
::Sounds good to me- especially since this is a national carrier, not just some budget airline. I'll '''support'''. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJMitchell'''</font>]]  [[User_Talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">You rang? </font>]]  15:59, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
:::'''Support'''. --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 16:12, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
::::'''Neutral'''. I can't find a good reason to oppose, except that there are an awful lot of airlines in trouble at the moment. If we want to run a business story (which I think we should from time to time), I prefer the Cadbury takeover below. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 16:30, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
:A well-worded blurb please? The update is overdue. --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 17:25, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
::See below ;-) [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 17:49, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
:::It is a national carrier, Physchim, and national airlines don;t file for bankruptcy every day- Imagine in if it was British Airways, Air France or American Airlines. As for a blurb:
*[['''Japan Airlines]], the [[national carrier]] of [[Japan]], declares bankruptcy.
:::Short and sweet. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJMitchell'''</font>]]  [[User_Talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">You rang? </font>]]  17:55, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
::::Posting. --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 18:02, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::The [[Swissair|national airline]] of [[Switzerland]] (of all those poor impoverished countries) went bust not so long ago: many of the other are merging (as in [[Air France]]–[[KLM]], or the much postponed [[British Airways]]–[[Iberia]]). '''Oppose posting''': if BorgQueen is just going to act like how she feels like, let's have another playground scrap! [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 18:14, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::Hey, you are confusing me. You said neutral, not oppose. --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 18:16, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::::I wouldn't want to confuse you, Your Borg Majesty! There is some sort of a story here, but not one which is a "no-brainer" for ITN. Many flag-carring airlines are in trouble, why should we chose the one that is Japanese? It is a business story for ITN, yes, but I don't see it's international significance. Certainly, as we have had many stories pulled recently, I would have wanted the posting admin to make sure of consensus. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 18:37, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Ok, I will revert the posting for now so the discussion can continue, but do you really have to use such phrases like ''if BorgQueen is just going to act like how she feels like, let's have another playground scrap!''? All you had to say was that it was too early to post this. --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 18:44, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::Maybe it was a little early, but I think it probably should go up- even if we do end up woth two business stories on at the same time. This may not appear to be of international significance, but the BBC, thousands of miles away (distance from London to Tokyo anyone?) have been blabbing on about it all day and the [http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703837004575012700372766336.html?mod=WSJ_latestheadlines ''Wall Street Journal'') and [http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jImktW1_NeyY3oPEh30x7pJFWSlw AFP] are all covering it. Although lots of airlines are going bust, we ''are'' dealing with the national carrier of the world's second largest economy. As I say above, this would be a no-brainer if it was BA, American Airlines, air France etc. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJMitchell'''</font>]]  [[User_Talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">You rang? </font>]]  19:02, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
'''support''' since its one of the major asian airlines. We have only posted GM going down till now. This isnt as big but its of interest to a lot of people. -- [[User:Ashishg55|Ashish]][[User talk:Ashishg55|-g55]] 18:53, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Flag carriers/major companies don't file bankruptcy everyday; in Japan that is next to never.  For the record, London Heathrow to Tokyo-Narita is [http://gc.kls2.com/cgi-bin/gc?PATH=NRT-LHR%0D%0A&RANGE=&PATH-COLOR=red&PATH-UNITS=km&PATH-MINIMUM=&SPEED-GROUND=&SPEED-UNITS=kts&RANGE-STYLE=best&RANGE-COLOR=navy&MAP-STYLE= 9,615 km], not that it matters for ITN purposes. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 19:22, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
:Ok, now we have enough supports. Posting again. Btw, I know it is a matter of principle, Physchim62, but you just made it more time-consuming. --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 19:26, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
::For the record, Your Borg Majesty, the less than three hours between [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AIn_the_news%2FCandidates&action=historysubmit&diff=338769208&oldid=338763874 nomination] at 15:43 and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3AIn_the_news&action=historysubmit&diff=338792127&oldid=338772285 posting] at 18:03 are fairly rare, and only occur on those occasions when Your Borg Majesty personally likes the story. We can compare them, for the sake of an example, to the time it took to change the image at ITN, despite discussion here and despite the fact that the image had been up for way over 24 hours. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 20:13, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Those occur when I have free time and notice the item, and yes, it will be faster if I find it interesting. You see, I am not some kind of an "official ITN admin" who must post every single item nominated and supported here. Other admins can post those supported items when they have their own free time and notice the items, and it will certainly help if they find them interesting. This is a voluntary project and no one is obliged to do anything. What does it matter if some item is delayed a bit? If you are in hurry, you could always ask any admin. --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 20:41, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support''' -- [[User:Mwalcoff|Mwalcoff]] ([[User talk:Mwalcoff|talk]]) 23:30, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

====Death of [[Bill McLaren]]====
Retired rugby union commentator [[Bill McLaren]], awarded an OBE, CBE ''and'' an MBE, dies at the age of 89. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJMitchell'''</font>]]  [[User_Talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">You rang? </font>]]  15:10, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
*'''Opposed''' for now.  His death is only a single line in the article; he was old, and he died.  It's sad, but I don't think he was of truly great international importance (Nor did he hold high office). [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 20:01, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' an old sports identity dying isn't important enough. Political moves, giant scientists etc can be '''[[User:YellowMonkey|<span style="color:GoldenRod;">YellowMonkey</span>]]'''  (''[[User_talk:YellowMonkey|<span style="color:#FA8605;">bananabucket</span>]]'')  00:21, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' Very highly respected and a real loss, but I'm afraid he simply isn't important enough. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 18:09, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

====Cadbury buyout====
*American corporation [[Kraft Foods]]  is to purchase British chocolate manufacturer [[Cadbury plc|Cadbury]] for £11.5 billion after months of negotiations between the two companies. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJMitchell'''</font>]]  [[User_Talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">You rang? </font>]]  07:46, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
I assume that [[Cadbury plc|Cadbury]] is the article to link to.  It appears to have a decent update.  Cadbury is certainly a very notable company on both sides of the pond.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 08:49, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
::Yes, that's the article I'm working on at any rate. The article is in pretty decent shape, though there's not a huge amount to add beside the facts and figures just yet- this only broke just over an hour ago. The BBC News Channel tells me that a formal announcement is expected at "lunchtime" GMT. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJMitchell'''</font>]]  [[User_Talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">You rang? </font>]]  09:03, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support'''. Corporate news. Very big. __[[User:Meco|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco|talk]]) 10:36, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
::Just to give a few facts and figures- this will surpass [[Mars, Inc]] as the world's largest confectionery company and Cadbury currently employs 45,000 people worldwide, this is currently leading Google News' business section and is attracting attention from sources both sides of the Atlantic, [http://www.smh.com.au/business/kraft-sweetens-cadbury-deal-20100119-mj4o.html Australia][http://www.heraldsun.com.au/business/cadbury-takeover-of-kraft-all-sweet/story-e6frfh4f-1225821405550], [http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/biz/international-business/Cadbury-accepts-Krafts-119-billion-takeover-offer/articleshow/5477343.cms India], [http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0119/cadbury.html Ireland], [http://www.montrealgazette.com/business/Kraft+Cadbury+talks+over+potential+deal+sources/2456689/story.html Canada], [http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,5143368,00.html Germany] etc etc. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJMitchell'''</font>]]  [[User_Talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">You rang? </font>]]  13:25, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
*The [[board of directors]] of [[Cadbury plc]] '''[[Cadbury plc#Kraft buyout|recommends acceptance]]''' of the revised [[Pound sterling|£11.5&nbsp;billion]] offer from [[Kraft Foods]] for the [[equity (finance)|equity]] of the company.
:'''Support''' as a better business story than Japan airlines above, article is updated and ready to post. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 17:41, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' its an important story. -- [[User:Eraserhead1|Eraserhead1]] &lt;[[User_talk:Eraserhead1|talk]]&gt; 18:12, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
::Posting. --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 18:20, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
:::I dont think the nationalities of either company is needed since they are both really famous -- [[User:Ashishg55|Ashish]][[User talk:Ashishg55|-g55]] 18:55, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. -- [[User:Mwalcoff|Mwalcoff]] ([[User talk:Mwalcoff|talk]]) 23:30, 19 January 2010 (UTC)


==January 18==
{{Portal:Current events/2010 January 18}}
===ITN candidates for January 18===
====Islamic Solidarity Games canceled====
*The '''[[2010 Islamic Solidarity Games]]''', scheduled to take place in April in [[Tehran]], are canceled due to [[Persian Gulf naming dispute|a dispute]] over the name of the [[Persian Gulf]].
:'''Support''' This is a sporting event that involves a number of (Islamic) countries, and it's an interesting piece involving a longstanding international dispute. The article might need a bigger update though. -- '''[[User:Tariqabjotu|<span style="color:black;">tariq</span><span style="color:gray;">abjotu</span>]]''' 03:33, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
::Article needs to be updated and expanded significantly.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 04:17, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

====[[Mehmet Ali Ağca]]====
*[[Mehmet Ali Ağca]], the [[Turkey|Turkish]] man who shot [[Pope John Paul II]] in 1981, is released from [[Prisons in Turkey|prison]]. [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8464823.stm (BBC)] - [[User:TouLouse|TouLouse]] ([[User talk:TouLouse|talk]]) 16:26, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
:Update is currently too short; Not sure about notability. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082567">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T♦</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|<span style="color:#FFBF00">Nominate!</span>]]</sup> 03:34, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

====Kabul attacks====
I don't have a blurb yet as we should wait for estimates of casualties, and possibly also for a separate article. This should however clearly find its way to the ITN box. __[[User:Meco|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco|talk]]) 09:27, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

[http://www.cnn.com| CNN] puts the count at 5 to include two [[Taliban]]

::I'd be inclined to '''support''', but we have had similar incidents with higher casualties that have not been featured. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJMitchell'''</font>]]  [[User_Talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">You rang? </font>]]  11:46, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
:::The [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8464763.stm BBC] quotes US envoy Richard Holbrooke: "We can expect this sort of thing on a regular basis". A few people killed in a notorious war zone is not really my idea of significant news, but we can wait and see how things develop. Apart from anything else, we would need an article (or an update) before we could post. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 12:28, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
::::Meh, I'll start an article. We'll see what comes of it. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJMitchell'''</font>]]  [[User_Talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">You rang? </font>]]  12:44, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
:The two "features" of this attack which makes this stand out from the future as projected by Richard Holbrooke is that the presidential palace was the central target and it was timed to coincide with the inaugurations of the new cabinet. __[[User:Meco|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco|talk]]) 13:04, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
::So I see upon further research. Anyway, for anyone who's interested, [[January 18 2010 Kabul attack]] is the target article. I invite suggestions for a more concise but unambiguous title, but that'll do for now. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJMitchell'''</font>]]  [[User_Talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">You rang? </font>]]  13:16, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
:::We could combine this with the nomination a bit further down for the controversy surrounding the proposed [[Afghan Cabinet of Ministers]]. That one got some support, as it it is unusual ''anywhere'' for a Cabinet to be (effectively, though only partially) refused two times: still the story never got posted. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 13:22, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
::::If you could think of a decent blurb. The 2 events are clearly related... [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJMitchell'''</font>]]  [[User_Talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">You rang? </font>]]  13:36, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
::::I too think this is a good idea. __[[User:Meco|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco|talk]]) 13:40, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::OK, I'll formally '''support''' a combined story. As for the blurb, I'll see what I can do later. I think we should still wait a little bit for more comments, and also to have more information, before posting. The news reports I read a couple of hours ago were still quite sketchy. Also we have not had a very good 2010 so far in terms of having to pull ITN stories – at least five since the New Year, when we only had to pull thirteen in the first five ''months'' of 2009 – so it is probably better to be cautious, especially when we are currently having a good day for updates! [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 14:05, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
:I '''oppose''' combining because one didn't cause the other.  I do support both of them individually though.  [[User:DC|<span style="color:#8B0000">'''''~DC'''''</span>]] <sub>[[User talk:DC|<font color="#ffb612" face="Tahoma">Talk To Me</font>]]</sub> 14:16, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
::Maybe you're thing of the Malaysian church attacks, one of the stories that was pulled this month? I agree that we need to be careful about the blurb, more careful than we were for the church attacks, but we do (quite often) run joint blurbs for similar events which have no causal connection between them, such as men's and women's titles in high-ranking sports events or even the [[Monaco Grand Prix]] and the [[Indianapolis 500]]. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 14:34, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
'''Update''' Please update, the article is not more than a detailed headline currently.--[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'''</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 05:50, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

====[[2010 Masters (snooker)|2010 Masters]]====
[[File:Mark selby cropped.jpg|right|100x100px|Mark Selby]]
Just nominating this to see what everybody thinks, front page of BBC Sport. Apparently the guy who won ([[Mark Selby]]) came from being far behind to win at the very last possible moment. He beat the defending champion [[Ronnie O'Sullivan]], according to the [http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/other_sports/snooker/8464301.stm BBC]. O'Sullivan was equalling the record for appearances in the final as well so he can't be a bad player. [http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12243_5867411,00.html Sky Sports] says O'Sullivan was the world number one. Selby described it as "the best final I've ever been in". The BBC says it was "one of the most memorable finals in Masters history". It is also [http://www.rte.ie/sport/snooker/2010/0118/snooker.html "the first major tournament since Barry Hearn's appointment as chairman"] of the sport's governing body. Probably not a case of ITNR but maybe just right for this year? There hasn't been much sport recently, just [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:In_the_news&diff=336737045&oldid=336687847 the Togo football attack] if that even counts as sport. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 00:58, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
:Oh! there's a picture of him as well. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 01:11, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
::It wouldn't bother me to run this as a one-off, if the blurb made it clear that the final was unusually tight. However, the article is in no state to be posted yet, so I shaln't support for the moment. We have the Australian Open and the African football coming up, not to mention the Winter Olympics next month, so we will be getting some sport on the Main Page whatever happens. If anyone had nominated the Dakar rally (ITNR event), we would have some on there right now. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 02:44, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
::::Don't forget [[Super Bowl XLIII|this]]... &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 03:16, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::I think you mean [[Super Bowl XLIV|this]]... Don't worry, I've added it at [[WP:ITN/FE]], just in case we all get too excited by the [[Costa Rican general election, 2010]], and forget to post it! [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 03:31, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::Oooops. Why can't they just name it Super Bowl 2010 or something like that. Tee hee. &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 03:33, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::::It is a good thing we have snooker then which does [[2010 Masters (snooker)|go by year]]. :) --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 03:36, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::::So... what? &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 03:52, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::Nothing. No harm intended. :) --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 04:09, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
:::'''Strong Oppose'''.  Snooker already has one event on ITNR, and I frankly see that as one too many for a fringe sport.  I know it gets coverage in the UK but looking at the [http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport BBC Sport] and the [http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport Guardian sport] pages, this event is featured very unprominantly and below many other events.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 02:48, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
::::It just has tennis and cricket above it on ''The Guardian'' and is on the main page of BBC Sport alongside the tennis actually. It seemed the most prominent final (the other events appear to be ongoing so aren't really ITNable). --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 03:05, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::Yeah but if it were the final of a more prominent event (and more ITNable) like the [[FA Cup]] or the [[Champions League]] it would be splashed across the main page, with numerous articles.  And it gets NO coverage [http://www.lequipe.fr/ across the channel].  --[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 03:23, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Neither does the cricket from ''The Guardian'' though. Each country has different interests. And I think football beats all sports for main page coverage like that yet sport on ITN is not all about football. :) --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 03:33, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::::The 'ITN isn't all about football' argument doesn't seem to help US college sports.  Anyway, as I said, this is getting minimal or no coverage outside the UK as far as I can see.  Certainly very little coverage in Russia. [http://www.sport-express.ru/ 1] [http://news.sportbox.ru/ 2].--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 03:50, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::::I'm afraid I can't read that but I can see pictures of yet more football and some winter sports. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 04:07, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''Oppose'''. For a sports item to get my support, it has to be of real significance- for example, a World Cup or possibly the Formula 1 world championship. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJMitchell'''</font>]]  [[User_Talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">You rang? </font>]]  08:11, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
:::'''Oppose'''. Non-ranking tournament. [[User:Tripledot|...]] ([[User talk:Tripledot|talk]]) 12:00, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' Sorry, but snooker just isn't big enough to post more than the world championship. The events at the masters were hardly earth-shattering either, so I see no reason to run this as a one-off. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 16:09, 18 January 2010 (UTC)


==January 17==
{{Portal:Current events/2010 January 17}}
===ITN candidates for January 17===

====[http://www.newscientist.org/article/dn18383-major-antarctic-glacier-is-past-its-tipping-point.html Scientists discover that sea level will rise irreversibly 0.52m within a century from one of the ice sheets alone]====

Their non-complete model which predicts this is already underestimating reality after only 14 years.. [[User:Sagittarian Milky Way|Sagittarian Milky Way]] ([[User talk:Sagittarian Milky Way|talk]]) 11:52, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
:The story – both the [http://rspa.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/early/2010/01/13/rspa.2009.0434.full scientific paper] and the [http://www.newscientist.org/article/dn18383-major-antarctic-glacier-is-past-its-tipping-point.html secondary source] – is dated 13&nbsp;January: too old? [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 12:39, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

====[[67th Golden Globe Awards]]====
...will take place tonight. Last year, we posted ''The 66th Golden Globe Awards takes place in Beverly Hills, California, with Slumdog Millionaire winning four awards including best picture.'' A preliminary question is, do we follow the same pattern this year? --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 14:30, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
:I certainly think we should post the story. It's not as big as the Oscars, but we still got a peak of 85k hits last year, which puts it securely in the top 10% of ITN stories. I would prefer it if we can avoid the verb problem ("Awards takes place" is correct U.S. English, but sounds strange to a Brit), but we won't really know what we have to do until the awards are announced. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 14:44, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
::This is also the first ever Golden Globes to be screened live. '''Support''' what ever presentation the community think is right. —<small> <span style="border:2px solid #000;padding:1px;">&nbsp;[[User:Cargoking|<span style="color:#000080;">'''Cargoking'''</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Cargoking|<span style="color:#f9f9f9;background:#000000;">&nbsp;talk&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 17:40, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
:::'''Support'''--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 19:07, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' - rather vehemently... This is by no standards that I can condone news worthy of an ITN spot. __[[User:Meco|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco|talk]]) 19:35, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''Oppose''' It was agreed upon months ago that the Golden Globes were to be taken of ITN:R. --[[User:Plasma Twa 2|<span style="color:#FF0000;">Plasma</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Plasma Twa 2|<span style="color:#FFFFFF;">Twa</span>]][[User talk:Plasma Twa 2|<span style="color:#FF0000;">2</span>]] 19:38, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Then it certainly shouldn't be listed as there is a consensus-developed list at [[WP:ITN/R]] of recurring items that should be listed and the Golden Globes isn't among them. __[[User:Meco|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco|talk]]) 19:51, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
::::I can't find any discussion of the issue either way. Could someone link to a place where this has been discussed before if we are supposed to take the ITN/R argument? [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 21:57, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::This was discussed back during either TIFF or the Berlin Film Festival. The discussion is not located at ITN:R. A group of editors, including BorgQueen, if I remember correctly, decided to take it off. --[[User:Plasma Twa 2|<span style="color:#FF0000;">Plasma</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Plasma Twa 2|<span style="color:#FFFFFF;">Twa</span>]][[User talk:Plasma Twa 2|<span style="color:#FF0000;">2</span>]] 22:04, 17 January 2010 (UTC) 
:::::The discussion took place on September 21. It was decided that having the Golden Globes on ITN:R made no sense when we had the Academy Awards, which are more prestigious and cover the exact same thing as the Globes. --[[User:Plasma Twa 2|<span style="color:#FF0000;">Plasma</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Plasma Twa 2|<span style="color:#FFFFFF;">Twa</span>]][[User talk:Plasma Twa 2|<span style="color:#FF0000;">2</span>]] 22:11, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support'''. Especially if we posted it last year. Not until the winners are all known though, obviously. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJMitchell'''</font>]]  [[User_Talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">You rang? </font>]]  19:47, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
::The American media [http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/2010/01/16/2010-01-16_golden_globe_oscar_grammy_sag__which_trophy_has_the_most_mantle_mojo.html doesn't seem to care] for this event as much as the Academy or Grammy Awards... is the third most important entertainment awards ceremony in the United States worthy of inclusion? On the other hand, [http://www.accesshollywood.com/golden-globes-jewels-auctioned-for-haitian-relief-fund_article_27795 Haiti mania] is to be found here too... --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 20:24, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
:::It's getting a fair amount of global media coverage (and the awards haven't even been announced yet), so I'd say that it is significant enough. We ran the (cancelled) awards in [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:In_the_news&oldid=184149853 2008], but not (it appears) in [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:In_the_news&direction=next&oldid=101259879 2007] or [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:In_the_news&oldid=35645533 2006]. The list at [[WP:ITN/R]] shouldn't be seen as restrictive when it can be changed at any time. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 20:40, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
::::'''oppose''' as this has been talked about before. since we post oscars there is no need for golden globes. they are considered less prestigious and more domestic. we discussed this during TIFF convos and few other times since it was posted last year without consensus. -- [[User:Ashishg55|Ashish]][[User talk:Ashishg55|-g55]] 22:40, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::The [[Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates/January 2009#ITN candidates for January 12|discussion last year]] had a fair consensus for posting: out of eight editors who commented, only one opposed the posting (with a comment of "it's just people getting awards. Not really news.") [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 23:14, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::In the discussion on [[Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates/September 2009#ITN candidates for September 21|September 21, 2009]], to my count there were five editors commenting at the time when we decided to remove the Golden Globes. Not one of the five objected to the removal, myself included. --[[User:Plasma Twa 2|<span style="color:#FF0000;">Plasma</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Plasma Twa 2|<span style="color:#FFFFFF;">Twa</span>]][[User talk:Plasma Twa 2|<span style="color:#FF0000;">2</span>]] 23:26, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' gets attention, just not as much as the Oscars.  Also, I don't see how it's more domestic, since it's voted on by the [[Hollywood Foreign Press Association]].  [[User:DC|<span style="color:#8B0000">'''''~DC'''''</span>]] <sub>[[User talk:DC|<font color="#ffb612" face="Tahoma">Talk To Me</font>]]</sub> 22:49, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
::I'm unsure about posting two American awards for film. Particularly in the link I've provided above one of their own newspapers rates it third in a list of (entertainment only) awards at the same time it is actually happening (don't know how low it ranks when non-entertainment awards are included as well or far it would drop in those ratings in the same week as the Academy Awards). One ITN for the Academy Awards is understandable as film is an area where America has been successful but what about other countries with a successful film industry being included as well? --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 23:15, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Interestingly, the ''New York Times''' ranking of Oscars > Grammys > Golden Globes is borne out in the viewing figures for the ITN stories last year! I'm not sure the fact that the awards are handed out in Beverly Hills is too relevant, so long as they have wide international media coverage (which the Golden Globes definitely do). And we do publish film awards from other countries as well.
:::I think ITN/R is getting to be a farce when it is '''''preventing''''' us from publishing news stories which have significant international impact (and, in this case, significant Wikipedia readership: 85k hits last year, roughly four times the figure for the Cannes or Toronto film festivals). If we're not careful, ITN will end up like DYK, with a perfectly logical and consistent system for selecting stories that nobody wants to read! [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 00:06, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
::::To me, it is not the fact that the Golden Globes is not on ITN:R that makes me oppose, it is the fact that it was taken off of it because consensus was that the Golden Globes do not represent the highest achievement in the film industry. I always thought that ITN was here not to merely report what is popular (Cause, you know, then we would have to put up the Tonight Show on the 22nd), but to put links to other things in the news that wouldn't necessarily get a whole lot of views, like the recent item about diamonds. What Candlewicke says below this comment is true. --[[User:Plasma Twa 2|<span style="color:#FF0000;">Plasma</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Plasma Twa 2|<span style="color:#FFFFFF;">Twa</span>]][[User talk:Plasma Twa 2|<span style="color:#FF0000;">2</span>]] 01:17, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::But then if people are so interested in this topic they'll just search for the Golden Globes anyway? As they have to do now before it happens. Maybe there are readers who prefer obscure stories that they don't see anywhere else, don't they matter? --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 00:39, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::If they want something obscure, they can scroll down to (dare I say it!) DYK. We distinguish ourselves from them by posting information that is genuinely interesting to a lot of people and of timely relevance and this is both. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJMitchell'''</font>]]  [[User_Talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">You rang? </font>]]  00:47, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::Of course the "more obscure" stories matter ''as well'', particularly because a lot of the "more obscure" stories we run on ITN are actually very popular. I just checked [[diamond]], for example, it got 60.6k hits yesterday. For comparison, the average DYK hook doesn't even generate a thousand hits, while TFAs are usually 20–40k hits (yesterday's was 37.0k). We should be very careful of the argument that "if people are interested, they'll find the article anyway." If that is the argument, why are we running the Haiti earthquake? Well, we're running the Haiti earthquake because it is "in the news", not because it's popular! Depending on which popularity statistic you choose, the Haiti earthquake is not even our most popular ITN story of January 2010. But the Golden Globe Awards are also "in the news", we '''''know''''' that a lot of our readers will be looking for the article: we should give them a simple link to it from the Main Page because that is what ''In the news'' is there for, it is our ''raison d'être''! [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 01:28, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Is anyone going to comment on the other nominations? I'm surprised this has more interest than [[Jyoti Basu]] and Senegal's offer to Haiti. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 01:01, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' -- also aired ''live'' in countries outside its mother country or near the mother country. &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 02:44, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
::Well, I'm going to '''oppose''' per my above reasons plus the supports not yet convincing me. We posted it last year doesn't work for me with this one. The attention it receives is less than the Oscars as demonstrated and we don't post everything which gets a tiny amount of attention. The 2008 cancellation may have been notable but this year it appears to be going ahead.  Physchim62 says media ranking = Wikipedia views so interest is clearly not there on the same level. That leaves the live screening and we don't post everything which is screened live for the first time. Oh, last one, being aired ''live'' outside its mother country or near the mother country did not get [http://soccernet.espn.go.com/world-cup/story/_/id/727191/ce/uk/&cc=5739?ver=global this example] posted so being aired ''live'' in countries outside its mother country or near the mother country is not a fully convincing argument either (in my opinion). I think I've beaten all supports that gave a reason there. Try harder. :-) --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 03:22, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Candlewicke, I wasn't aware that to get an item posted we had to 'beat' your oppose.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 03:34, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
::::You don't. I was talking about my support. :) --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 03:37, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::OK fair enough.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 03:42, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
:::I'd hardly consider this event as "a tiny amount of attention," as demonstrated by prominent mention at the [http://news.bbc.co.uk/low BBC Website]. Both arguments "Wikipedia views/media ranking same level" don't hold much water, and live screening outside the mother country is frequent for sporting events (even for non-championship games, heck, even [[NBA All-Star Game|no-bearing games]]), but not on entertainment events such as this (only the Oscars might be broadcast internationally live elsewhere, I don't think even the Grammy Awards is broadcast live outside North America). &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 03:51, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
::::OK, I've changed my mind. '''Support'''. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 04:04, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
Ok one note i will add. if this is posted then there should be no problem in posting Indian Filmfare awards for bollywood movies... Because as far as i remember and have read over that was the main point made against Golden Globes before taking them off ITNR. Otherwise there is a clear systemic bias that we have introduced into ITN (not that it wasnt there before :) ). Also Golden globes are for both TV and Movies. So both should be mentioned in the blurb. -- [[User:Ashishg55|Ashish]][[User talk:Ashishg55|-g55]] 04:24, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
:I do support posting [[Filmfare Awards]] (and the golden globes).  That said, in order to post the Filmfare awards, they would need to be much better covered on Wikipedia to meet our requirements.  Currently there are know year by year articles for the awards.  Unfortunately systemic bias is hard to beat. --[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 04:29, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
:I'd post this item right now, but the article isn't very good. I don't really consider bolding winners updating the article. -- '''[[User:Tariqabjotu|<span style="color:black;">tariq</span><span style="color:gray;">abjotu</span>]]''' 05:33, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
:: Hm, I am somehow towards oppose now. Simply, what's a nice blurb? Avatar won two globes? Yes, but so did Dexter and 3 others. And just putting a blurb saying that the ceremony took place does not seem good enough. (it's different with the Oscars because there's only one winner of the best picture) --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 08:12, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
*'''''[[Avatar (2009 film)#Awards and nominations|Avatar]]''''' and '''''[[The Hangover (film)#Critical reception|The Hangover]]''''' win the [[67th Golden Globe Awards|Golden Globe Awards]] for best motion picture.
::Or alternatively with the Golden Globe Awards bolded. I agree that we should be able to do a better job of updating before posting, though. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 09:33, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose'''. If sports only get top level events, why should entertainment gets more. [[User:Tripledot|...]] ([[User talk:Tripledot|talk]]) 11:57, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
::Well, sports events get a lot more luv here on ITN compared to entertainment, at least if you look at ITNR.  A little more on the popular entertainment front wouldn't hurt IMO. However, in any case, the article is not yet suitable for posting.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 15:42, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
I came to support, but after reading the discussion find I '''oppose'''.  Although the point must be made that the GG are not an "American awards for film" as the Academy Awards are; they are selected by film critics from an international organization, none of whom (if I understand correctly) are American.  This should add weight to the support side of this debate.  ''However'', IMHO, I must think that more weight is added to the oppose side by the fact that the GG are a "second level" award.  They maybe a presigious award, however they do not have the gravitas that the Oscars do. This can be seen by how people discus that winning a GG is a stepping stone, or precursor, to winning the Oscar.  So, I would '''Oppose'''.[[User:Rhodesisland|Rhodesisland]] ([[User talk:Rhodesisland|talk]]) 02:12, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

====Haiti update====
The President of Senegal has [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8463921.stm issued an open invitation] to all Haitians to come back to Africa. An entire fertile region is waiting for them. Surely this is not an everyday event? --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 12:15, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support'''--[[User:Avala|Avala]] ([[User talk:Avala|talk]]) 14:49, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' so far, it looks like it's just an invitation. If Haitians take him up on it, then I'll support on that day. --[[User:Plasma Twa 2|<span style="color:#FF0000;">Plasma</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Plasma Twa 2|<span style="color:#FFFFFF;">Twa</span>]][[User talk:Plasma Twa 2|<span style="color:#FF0000;">2</span>]] 02:26, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''', this sounds like the sort of offer you make while knowing it won't be accepted. There are, what, three million Haitians affected by the earthquake – how are they all supposed to cross the Atlantic? And fertile regions around the world, especially in Africa, tend to have people already living in them… [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 02:38, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''', per Plasma Twa, but only if a significant number do (i.e., not 15 people). '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082567">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T♦</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|<span style="color:#FFBF00">Nominate!</span>]]</sup> 03:36, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

====Death of [[Jyoti Basu]]====
*Article says he was "India's longest-serving Chief Minister as of 2010 of any Indian state". [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8463957.stm BBC] correspondent says he "was credited with restoring stability to the state, and bringing in land reforms", "leaves behind a controversial and mixed legacy", was "easily India's most respected communist leader". There is also the "historic blunder". [http://ibnlive.in.com/news/jyoti-basu-the-last-bhadralok-communist/108801-37.html "Jyoti Basu, the last Bhadralok Communist"]. [http://in.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idINLDE60G06920100117 Reuters] describes him as "Jyoti Basu, the patriarch of Indian communism whose pragmatic politics twice brought him close to becoming prime minister". The Indian [[Ted Kennedy]] if there ever was one... or was he only once close to being President, I can't remember. Lots of coverage in India anyway. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 11:55, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
:The [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8151230.stm additional obituary] which the BBC now supplies says he "ran the world's longest serving elected Communist government". --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 12:37, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''Support''', that's more like my idea of a notable politician, someone who did a bit more than "just" get elected. The biography looks in reasonable shape as well, and has been updated. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 13:37, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Anyone else? --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 23:18, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
::::Now front page under "FEATURES, VIEWS, ANALYSIS" with headline "The man who was nearly India's first Communist leader" at [http://news.bbc.co.uk/ http://news.bbc.co.uk/] (between articles on Hillary Clinton and the Africa Cup of Nations in Angola). --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 00:42, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' I looked at several American news sites, and couldn't find a single story on him.  [[User:DC|<span style="color:#8B0000">'''''~DC'''''</span>]] <sub>[[User talk:DC|<font color="#ffb612" face="Tahoma">Talk To Me</font>]]</sub> 02:06, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
::They're all too busy with the Golden Globes, obviously ;-) But ''[http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-01-17/jyoti-basu-communist-who-ran-indian-state-for-23-years-dies.html Business Week]'' is American, isn't it? [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 02:34, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
:::So is CNN, Fox News, MSNBC, the NY Times, Boston Globe, LA Times.  Couldn't find on those sites.  [[User:DC|<span style="color:#8B0000">'''''~DC'''''</span>]] <sub>[[User talk:DC|<font color="#ffb612" face="Tahoma">Talk To Me</font>]]</sub> 02:42, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
::::''[http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/18/world/asia/18basu.html?ref=world New York Times]''. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 03:16, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
::::: User:Dc, the world doesn't end with US... If you study the world history specially about [[Cold War]], you will see that the US were against the Communists, ([[Truman Doctrine]]) they cannot believe that the Communist can rule a state for long which has been democratically ruled. [[Special:Contributions/220.227.133.250|220.227.133.250]] ([[User talk:220.227.133.250|talk]]) 12:14, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' elected leader of [[West Bengal]] for 23 years, a state with 100 million people, and frankly, it's rare for communists to get power without banning all opponents. It's also on ABC, the lack of US coverage, well perhaps not surprising when winners of US sports compettions call themselves "world champions" '''[[User:YellowMonkey|<span style="color:GoldenRod;">YellowMonkey</span>]]'''  (''[[User_talk:YellowMonkey|<span style="color:#FA8605;">bananabucket</span>]]'')  02:22, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''Weak Support'''.  Was going to oppose but the article is good and he was in power at the regional (was he the equivalent of a governor?) level for a long time.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 02:44, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Yes, he was the head of government there. A British-style system where the member of parliament who is the head of the biggest party/alliance is the leader of the jurisdiction. '''[[User:YellowMonkey|<span style="color:GoldenRod;">YellowMonkey</span>]]'''  (''[[User_talk:YellowMonkey|<span style="color:#FA8605;">bananabucket</span>]]'')  02:58, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
::::Why should he have coverage on an American site? Would an American be opposed for not having coverage on an Indian site? This person ruled over for more than two decades over an area with a population more than three times the size of California, which is apparently the most populous US state. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 03:00, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::[http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/18/world/asia/18basu.html There is coverage on an American site] though I agree that shouldn't be a requirement.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 03:13, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
:Suggest: <code> [[Communist Party of India (Marxist)|Communist]] patriarch '''[[Jyoti Basu]]''', the longest serving [[List of Chief Ministers of West Bengal|Chief Minister]] of [[West Bengal]], dies of [[multiple organ dysfunction syndrome]] at the age of 95. </code> --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 03:30, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' -- He was an important indian leader. Any INDIAN newspaper or newschannel would be highlighting him all day today. Why would you look for him on an American news channel an oppose this decision. Sounds very ameri-centric to me. Also, I'm sure if an article about two buses colliding (an incident that probably occurs on  a daily basis in all countries in the world) can be highlighted in the news, than this news is far more important. [[User:Pleasantfartsa|Pleasantfartsa]] ([[User talk:Pleasantfartsa|talk]]) 04:51, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support'''. Maybe I'm being unfair but, in my experience the American media (the ''New York Times'' excepted) don;t report anything much that's not of pressing concern to Americans and what is often big news everywhere is in the worlds might not rate a mention in such news sources, thus someone who is relatively obscure outside of southern Asia is not likely to receive significant coverage. I think this guy satisfies our death criteria and he was obviously a prominent figure in India which, if memeory serves, accounts for something like one sixth of the world's population. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJMitchell'''</font>]]  [[User_Talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">You rang? </font>]]  05:04, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Strongest Support''': He was the old man of Indian politics. He holds the record of being the longest serving chief minister democratically elected. Can this be matched with anyone else? Don't forget every Indian mourns his death (even if he/she is affiliated to any other political party). WP is as much read in India as in US or UK. Need admins to put up this story. --[[User:gppande|<font color="red" face="cursive">'''GP'''</font>]][[User talk:gppande|<font color="black" face="cursive">'''Pande'''</font>]] 08:25, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
:: Posting. And omitting reason of death from the blurb, this is not that relevant in this case. We could add the picture but the new president of Chile is a more recent blurb. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 08:27, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Thanks a lot Tone. You rock as usual !!!! --[[User:gppande|<font color="red" face="cursive">'''GP'''</font>]][[User talk:gppande|<font color="black" face="cursive">'''Pande'''</font>]] 12:22, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Assuming we don't get a new story with a good picture before then, we can (and possibly should) swap the pictures after Piñera has been there for 24 hours (which is about midnight UTC). That way we get a rotation of images as well. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 14:14, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
::::: This is a good idea, my support. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 15:13, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
::::Question--is it normal to put his political affiliation in the blurb?  It seems to me he's notable whether he's a communist or a nationalist.  We don't usually say 'former Republican president Ronald Reagan died yesterday.'--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 14:51, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::True, but there are several people above who have commented on the fact that he was an ''elected'' communist in supporting the story. I think we need a little leeway in how we write the blurbs for obituaries: to take an example from this very story, Tone didn't mentioned the cause of death, although we usually do mention it when it is known, simply because it is rather banal for a 95-year old man to die of multi-organ failure (aka "old age"). [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 15:10, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::  (ec) Somewhere above it says he was a democratically elected communist politician with the longest stay in the office. I think this is the reason his party is there, though it is not fully explained in the blurb. As far as I am concerned, this can be omitted as well. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 15:13, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

====Chilean presidential election====
The [[Chilean presidential election, 2009]] and [[Chilean parliamentary election, 2009]] take place.  If no candidate gains 50% of the vote a run-off will be held on 17 January 2010.  The president-elect will not succeed current president [[Michelle Bachelet]] until 11 March 2010 - [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 11:51, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
:[http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8410345.stm (BBC)] It has gone to the run-off between [[Sebastián Piñera]] and [[Eduardo Frei Ruiz-Tagle]].  I'll move it to January - [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 10:05, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
: Support, sure. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 10:07, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''Support''' when we have the result. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJMitchell'''</font>]]  [[User_Talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">You rang? </font>]]  14:57, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''Support''' result per ITNR [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 15:50, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
:::'''Support'''. [[User:Wizardman|<span style="color:#030">'''''Wizardman'''''</span>]] <sub>[[User:Wizardman/Operation Big Bear|<span style="color:#600">Operation Big Bear</span>]]</sub> 17:45, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
::::'''Support'''.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 18:59, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

====Chemical Ali====
*Former [[Iraq]]i minister '''[[Ali Hassan al-Majid]]''', also known as "Chemical Ali", is [[capital punishment in Iraq|sentenced to death]] for the fourth time, for his role in the [[Halabja poison gas attack]] in 1988. [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8463955.stm (BBC)] --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 08:22, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
:Alternatively, I suppose we could update and feature [[Halabja poison gas attack]] instead. --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 08:24, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
::Does "sentenced to death for the fourth time" not indicate this is a regular occurrence? --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 08:53, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Indeed it seems to be [http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0302/iraq.html an annual event]... :P --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 08:54, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
::::Yes, but I thought the fact that he received four death sentences would be notable. Is it common for a war criminal? --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 09:03, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
:: If I remember correctly he was on ITN when there was the first sentence. I think this is enough. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 10:07, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
:::[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:In_the_news&diff=140271955&oldid=140062978 Good memory!] June 2007 he was sentenced to death. —<small> <span style="border:2px solid #000;padding:1px;">&nbsp;[[User:Cargoking|<span style="color:#000080;">'''Cargoking'''</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Cargoking|<span style="color:#f9f9f9;background:#000000;">&nbsp;talk&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 14:52, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support''' quite notable person and trial.--[[User:Avala|Avala]] ([[User talk:Avala|talk]]) 14:44, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
*'''Wait'''. I might support if they actually carry out the sentence or if it's repealed but it's not beyond the realms of possibility that this will happen again. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJMitchell'''</font>]]  [[User_Talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">You rang? </font>]]  14:55, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
*I have to agree with HJ.  This is the fourth time he's received the sentence, so let's just wait til they hang him.  It doesn't take too long in Iraq.  [[User:DC|<span style="color:#8B0000">'''''~DC'''''</span>]] <sub>[[User talk:DC|<font color="#ffb612" face="Tahoma">Talk To Me</font>]]</sub> 19:04, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
**Not too long? This person must hold the national record. :) --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 01:02, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''I think this was the fourth such sentence against him ?--[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'''</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 05:54, 19 January 2010 (UTC)


==January 16==
{{Portal:Current events/2010 January 16}}
===ITN candidates for January 16===

====Florence Green====
*Previously unknown '''[[Florence Green]]''', at 108, is believed to be Britain's oldest surviving UK-resident [[First World War]] veteran, and the last known female First World War veteran, having served with the [[Women's RAF]] (WRAF) in 1918 [http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/6996800/108-year-old-woman-emerges-as-Britains-oldest-first-World-War-veteran.html (The Daily Telegraph)]
:After waiting for ''ages'' for a World War One story that might be of remote international interest, this one comes along and I nearly miss it. I didn't create the article, or even update it, and the article is unlikely to expand further, but if you want larger articles to link to (which I'd be happy to update), we have [[Women's Royal Air Force]] (I just updated that one [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Women%27s_Royal_Air_Force&diff=338430359&oldid=329422888 here]) and [[List of surviving veterans of World War I]] (updated by others). [[User:Carcharoth|Carcharoth]] ([[User talk:Carcharoth|talk]]) 21:31, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''Support'''. This is an amazing discovery for women. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 01:03, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
::No, this one doesn't really do it for me. One problem is that I can't really see the news story; the other is that the possible articles to link to are very short on info. I don't mind posting stubs if I think we are going to get more information quickly, but that doesn't seem to be the case with [[Florence Green]]. [[Women's Royal Air Force]] would be another possible target, but again, it leaves me underwhelmed by the information it teaches me about the WRAF in this era. The idea that Mrs Green was "previously unknown", strikes me as a strange wording as well: after all, she was married and had three children, she wasn't "unknown" to her family! '''Oppose'''. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 01:56, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
:::She may have always existed but she was, however, an ordinary woman who was probably thought not notable enough to have an article on Wikipedia. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 04:02, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
::::'''Support''' I thought the last WW1 veteran was now dead, so there really can't be many left at all. This probably is worth covering. 13:28, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
:: There still are some veterans alive, see [[List of surviving veterans of World War I]]. To be precise, 5 plus one unverified. According to that list, Green was first mentioned on January 5, what makes this old news, considering the oldest item presently on ITN, January 12. Oppose for that reason. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 16:04, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Uh, the ''Daily Telegraph'' article I first read about this in was on 16th January. It may have been mentioned before then, but it sometimes takes time for major papers to pick up a story. Really, you should go by the ''last'' date it appears in newspapers, not the first. Can anyone tell me if the deaths of [[Henry Allingham]] and [[Harry Patch]] appeared on ITN? <small>Allingham appeared on ITN on April 1, 2009 has an [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:In_the_news&oldid=280973499 April Fools joke], but his death or his becoming briefly the oldest man in the world, didn't make it (don't know if it was nominated) and I don't think Patch appeared on ITN either.</small> It seems that the only news about World War I (I have a collection of recent news stories in my userspace) that would get the coverage to justify an ITN-worthy article update is the death of a veteran, so I thought this would be a less morbid angle on things. [[User:Carcharoth|Carcharoth]] ([[User talk:Carcharoth|talk]]) 04:38, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

====FBI admits using bearded Spanish politician for photo of Osama bin Laden====
I find this very strange. The US has admitted it, according to [http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/7004715/FBI-admits-Spanish-politican-was-model-for-high-tech-Osama-bin-Laden-photo-fit.html this headline], and now [[Gaspar Llamazares]] fears for his life, according to [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8463657.stm this]. I would be very worried for American security if their idea of "cutting edge security" is using "cut and pastes" of old campaign photos. Or is this normal behaviour? --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 22:05, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
:Oh, he's going to [http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKTRE60F1XB20100116?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews sue] them now as well. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 22:16, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''Support'''. At least they didn't use his name. -[[User:SusanLesch|SusanLesch]] ([[User talk:SusanLesch|talk]]) 22:42, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''Neutral, leaning towards oppose''' I thought about nominating this myself, but desisted. This seems more like a case of incompetence than anything else. [[Gaspar Llamazares]] is on the extreme left-wing of Spanish politics, but he is certainly not a terrorist by any stretch of the imagination. The worrying part of this story seems to be that the U.S. kept the images of his 2004 election campaign – one can hardly believe that they just found them by accident – but even then it is a bilateral issue between Spain and the USA, without wider consequence or interest. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 22:44, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''Support''' ⇌ [[User:Jake Wartenberg|<span style="color:#21421E; font-family:Harrington;">Jake</span>]] [[User talk:Jake Wartenberg|<span style="color:#21421E; font-family:Harrington;">Wartenberg</span>]] 02:46, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''Strong oppose'''. I'm sorry, it's quite unlike me to strong oppose, but this is not that big a deal and it seems more like trivia than news. Maybe I'd support if he actually sued them and got a hefty settlement, but not now. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJMitchell'''</font>]]  [[User_Talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">You rang? </font>]]  03:01, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''Oppose''' This is only newsworthy because it's embarrassing. -- '''[[User:Tariqabjotu|<span style="color:black;">tariq</span><span style="color:gray;">abjotu</span>]]''' 03:20, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
:::'''Support''' per Tariqabjotu. This is a very embarassing mess up by the FBI. --[[User:Plasma Twa 2|<span style="color:#FF0000;">Plasma</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Plasma Twa 2|<span style="color:#FFFFFF;">Twa</span>]][[User talk:Plasma Twa 2|<span style="color:#FF0000;">2</span>]] 03:23, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''Oppose''' not newsworthy enough for main page IMO. —[[User:Krm500|Krm500]] <sup>([[User talk:Krm500|Communicate!]])</sup> 03:26, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
:::The Reuters link above said Spain's US embassy had to apologise after being asked to explain. If it is phrased as an apology would that be good enough? I'm sure it must affect international relations... --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 03:30, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
::::I doubt it will affect Spain–U.S. relations much! I mean, it's not as if they [[1966 Palomares B-52 crash|dropped four H-bombs on us]] or anything like that… Seriously, it's not even this week's most serious diplomatic incident (that would probably be the public humiliation of Turkey's ambassador to Israel, no article update as yet). [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 13:30, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''Wait for now'''. If and when he sues the US federal government, and gets a verdict, I will be happy to support. Certainly an interesting story! --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 06:56, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
:::I presume anyone successfully suing the US government would automatically be certain of an ITN. :) --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 10:54, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
::::Americans regularly sue their own government, right? That's what happened in Gitmo and Bush a few years back. &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 11:03, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::I suppose people would argue it's not international enough if they're doing it to themselves. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 11:38, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::I do remember foreigners suing the American government. I remember those same Gitmo prisoners who were let go said they're playing to sue the American government for not upholding their rights. &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 12:05, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' To be blunt, a dude's face got partly used for a photo, and he's understandably annoyed.  This is not a big story. [[User:HonouraryMix|HonouraryMix]] ([[User talk:HonouraryMix|talk]]) 11:24, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
::Yes, but it's a very worrying development. And I'm not convinced about their response which reads like: "Oops, we didn't mean to use such a high-profile person, next time we'll make sure they're not famous". --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 11:38, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
:::I still don't see how it's a big story.  Although involving a prominent organization, this is in effect some guy at a computer taking a short-cut in his work that's caused a public figure to lash out.  In the grand scheme of things, this story is in no-way worldly significant. [[User:HonouraryMix|HonouraryMix]] ([[User talk:HonouraryMix|talk]]) 11:44, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''Strong Oppose''' This is one of those stories that makes me think 'so what?' [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 13:54, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''Oppose''' '''[[User:Grsz11|<span style="color:black;">Grsz</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Grsz11|<b><span style="color:red;">11</span></b>]]</sup>''' 03:46, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

====Official government statement====
*The [[Germany|German]] government asks its citizens to stop using [[Microsoft]]'s [[web browser]] [[Internet Explorer]] to protect their own security. [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8463516.stm (BBC)] [http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-technology/german-government-warns-against-ms-explorer-use-20100117-mdp4.html (''The Sydney Morning Herald'')] [http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/microsoft/7006671/German-government-warns-against-using-Microsoft-Explorer.html (''The Daily Telegraph'')] --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 21:50, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
:*'''Support'''. Good sense but too bad the government had to step in. -[[User:SusanLesch|SusanLesch]] ([[User talk:SusanLesch|talk]]) 22:44, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' Whole can of worms, and sets a bad precedent. Besides, this is just aftermath from the Google/China story, and we didn't post that. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 02:08, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

====Death of [[Asim Butt (artist)|Asim Butt]]====
*A [http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2010%5C01%5C16%5Cstory_16-1-2010_pg12_6 prominent] artist has committed suicide at the age of 31. He was a [http://www.stuckism.com/world.html#Pakistan founder member] of the [[Stuckism|Stuckist]] art movement and was [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/629/629/7140085.stm profiled] by the BBC in 2007 and in 2008 the ''[[Chicago Tribune]]'' [http://archives.chicagotribune.com/2008/jan/13/science/chi-corr_pakistanjan13 noted] in an article on the spread of "youth rebellion" "challenging a repressive military regime" how he "started a “protest art” movement in [Karachi], spray-painting “eject” symbols near the headquarters of the paramilitary rangers". So he has international significance, was top of his field as a founder and his work is known in the UK and US. He seems to have been important in his field of expertise and to have had a significant contribution/impact on the country. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 21:02, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
:And, on Stuckism, the article [[Go West (exhibition)]] says: "The Stuckists had previously been seen as art world outsiders, but with the backing of a West End gallery in a "major exhibition"[1] became "major players" in the art world.[2]". --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 21:07, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' the arts on principle. Don't know anything about him or if he is well known. -[[User:SusanLesch|SusanLesch]] ([[User talk:SusanLesch|talk]]) 22:47, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''Oppose''', I'm not seeing major notability here. [[User:Wizardman|<span style="color:#030">'''''Wizardman'''''</span>]] <sub>[[User:Wizardman/Operation Big Bear|<span style="color:#600">Operation Big Bear</span>]]</sub> 23:24, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

====Diamond's melting point====
Is it important enough to give the ITN a change of pace? [[User:Nergaal|Nergaal]] ([[User talk:Nergaal|talk]]) 20:45, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
:In future, please do not presume we have all read the P:CE template above. Provide at least a source and an article if possible. —<small> <span style="border:2px solid #000;padding:1px;">&nbsp;[[User:Cargoking|<span style="color:#000080;">'''Cargoking'''</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Cargoking|<span style="color:#f9f9f9;background:#000000;">&nbsp;talk&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 20:48, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
:: The article says it's preliminary and there are some speculations, I'd say wait. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 20:51, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
:::[http://www.nature.com/nphys/journal/v6/n1/full/nphys1491.html This] doesn't look that preliminary. [[User:Nergaal|Nergaal]] ([[User talk:Nergaal|talk]]) 21:06, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
:::: Ok, I take that back ;-) Do we have an article update? --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 21:16, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''Support'''. It's interesting and different. Blurb? Update? What's the target article? [[Diamond]] would seem the logical choice. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJMitchell'''</font>]]  [[User_Talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">You rang? </font>]]  21:25, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Diamond is an FA so an expert in diamond studies might be needed. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 22:14, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
:::'''Support''' for chemistry and physics appeal. -[[User:SusanLesch|SusanLesch]] ([[User talk:SusanLesch|talk]]) 22:48, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
:::'''Support''' as the on-call scientist around here. This is actually pretty big news, as well as being a science story that we can try to explain. The article to be updated is surely [[diamond]]; it has been updated, but more could be done. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 22:56, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
:::'''Support''' as the not-really-paying-attention scientist around here ;). Interesting stuff, though I found the statement 'Diamond is a relatively common material on Earth' rather amusing. Suggested blurb below (tried to avoid repeating 'diamond' many times). Article needs a prose update. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 02:19, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
::::''The first [[experiment]]al measurement of the [[melting point]] of '''[[diamond]]''' indicates that the solid [[buoyancy|floats]] on the liquid''
:::::So who's going to update the article? <small>(Scratches head)</small> --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 02:45, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::I have! Posting... ⇌ [[User:Jake Wartenberg|<span style="color:#21421E; font-family:Harrington;">Jake</span>]] [[User talk:Jake Wartenberg|<span style="color:#21421E; font-family:Harrington;">Wartenberg</span>]] 02:56, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::So far there's only one article about this in Google News, from [http://news.discovery.com/space/diamond-oceans-jupiter-uranus.html Discovery news]. Unless someone would like to spend USD18 for the [http://www.nature.com/nphys/journal/v6/n1/abs/nphys1438.html Nature article]. Maybe there's enough in the abstract. -[[User:SusanLesch|SusanLesch]] ([[User talk:SusanLesch|talk]]) 02:54, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
::::[[Material properties of diamond]] could be a good link also. [[User:Nergaal|Nergaal]] ([[User talk:Nergaal|talk]]) 04:02, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::Did anyone supporting this even notice the lack of a proper update? The only relevant update in the bolded article ([[diamond]]) has been the addition of exactly [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Diamond&action=historysubmit&diff=338407600&oldid=338214848 one sentence], and there's nothing at all in [[material properties of diamond]]. Even though I'm a non-scientist, I generally like reading about findings of this sort, but with the info in the article, it seems more like primary research trivia than relevant news. Something like this should not be placed on the mainpage without a proper explanatory update. [[User:Peter Isotalo|Peter]] <sup>[[User talk:Peter Isotalo|Isotalo]]</sup> 19:52, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

====[[2010 Haiti earthquake]]====
I know many people are interesting in keeping this as far up as possible. Would a [http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Strong-Aftershock-Hits-Haiti-Forcing-Port-Au-Prince-Residents-To-Run-In-Fear-From-Unstable-Buildings/Article/201001315525844 4.5 magnitude aftershock] be important enough to add to the Main Page? --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 20:33, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
::I'd say it's worth sticking on the end, but a blurb of its own? I'd be inclined to say not. However, if we're looking for a frwhser angle, the UN is calling this the biggest disaster they've ever had to deal with (I'll see if I cna dig up the news article I was reading earlier). [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJMitchell'''</font>]]  [[User_Talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">You rang? </font>]]  20:41, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
::: Agree, not a separate blurb, maybe rather update the present one and eventually move it to the top of the ITN. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 20:51, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' keeping a story up on ITN artificially is rarely a good option in terms of page clicks. We are not here to determine which news stories are most notable, thank God, just to give links to articles which people might want to read. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 21:02, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
::I heard the UN statement too. Here is verification from ''The Daily Telegraph'': [http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/centralamericaandthecaribbean/haiti/7005853/Haiti-earthquake-UN-says-worst-disaster-ever-dealt-with.html "Haiti earthquake: UN says worst disaster ever dealt with"]. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 21:31, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
::It wouldn't be artificial to keep this up longer than other items- it'll be news for weeks to come in all probability. However, we could take a different tack on it and use [[Response to the 2010 Haiti earthquake]] as the target article- I came across it patrolling the recent changes earlier and it looks in good shape. Not that we desperately ''need'' it. Yet. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJMitchell'''</font>]]  [[User_Talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">You rang? </font>]]  21:57, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
:::I support reposting this (perhaps after it finally falls off the page) with a story linking to the Haiti Earthquake Response article linked above.  I can't believe that articles related to the earthquake won't get a lot of traffic now. This is still the top headline in nearly all the international media.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 18:54, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

====Afghanistan====
The [[National Assembly of Afghanistan|Afghan national Assembly]] rejects (for the second time in a row) the majority of candidates for Cabinet ministers put forward by [[President of Afghanistan|President]]. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJMitchell'''</font>]]  [[User_Talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">You rang? </font>]]  13:48, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
:I'd be happy to work on an update, but I'm not sure where it would be best placed. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJMitchell'''</font>]]  [[User_Talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">You rang? </font>]]  13:48, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
::[[Politics of Afghanistan]]? [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 15:20, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
::Actually [[Afghan Cabinet of Ministers]] seems to have the details (not yet updated with the latest events). [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 15:22, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
:::'''Support''' if this is unlikely to be repeated. -[[User:SusanLesch|SusanLesch]] ([[User talk:SusanLesch|talk]]) 22:52, 16 January 2010 (UTC)


==January 17==
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===ITN candidates for January 17===

====[http://www.newscientist.org/article/dn18383-major-antarctic-glacier-is-past-its-tipping-point.html Scientists discover that sea level will rise irreversibly 0.52m within a century from one of the ice sheets alone]====

Their non-complete model which predicts this is already underestimating reality after only 14 years.. [[User:Sagittarian Milky Way|Sagittarian Milky Way]] ([[User talk:Sagittarian Milky Way|talk]]) 11:52, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
:The story – both the [http://rspa.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/early/2010/01/13/rspa.2009.0434.full scientific paper] and the [http://www.newscientist.org/article/dn18383-major-antarctic-glacier-is-past-its-tipping-point.html secondary source] – is dated 13&nbsp;January: too old? [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 12:39, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

====[[67th Golden Globe Awards]]====
...will take place tonight. Last year, we posted ''The 66th Golden Globe Awards takes place in Beverly Hills, California, with Slumdog Millionaire winning four awards including best picture.'' A preliminary question is, do we follow the same pattern this year? --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 14:30, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
:I certainly think we should post the story. It's not as big as the Oscars, but we still got a peak of 85k hits last year, which puts it securely in the top 10% of ITN stories. I would prefer it if we can avoid the verb problem ("Awards takes place" is correct U.S. English, but sounds strange to a Brit), but we won't really know what we have to do until the awards are announced. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 14:44, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
::This is also the first ever Golden Globes to be screened live. '''Support''' what ever presentation the community think is right. —<small> <span style="border:2px solid #000;padding:1px;">&nbsp;[[User:Cargoking|<span style="color:#000080;">'''Cargoking'''</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Cargoking|<span style="color:#f9f9f9;background:#000000;">&nbsp;talk&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 17:40, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
:::'''Support'''--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 19:07, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' - rather vehemently... This is by no standards that I can condone news worthy of an ITN spot. __[[User:Meco|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco|talk]]) 19:35, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''Oppose''' It was agreed upon months ago that the Golden Globes were to be taken of ITN:R. --[[User:Plasma Twa 2|<span style="color:#FF0000;">Plasma</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Plasma Twa 2|<span style="color:#FFFFFF;">Twa</span>]][[User talk:Plasma Twa 2|<span style="color:#FF0000;">2</span>]] 19:38, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Then it certainly shouldn't be listed as there is a consensus-developed list at [[WP:ITN/R]] of recurring items that should be listed and the Golden Globes isn't among them. __[[User:Meco|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco|talk]]) 19:51, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
::::I can't find any discussion of the issue either way. Could someone link to a place where this has been discussed before if we are supposed to take the ITN/R argument? [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 21:57, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::This was discussed back during either TIFF or the Berlin Film Festival. The discussion is not located at ITN:R. A group of editors, including BorgQueen, if I remember correctly, decided to take it off. --[[User:Plasma Twa 2|<span style="color:#FF0000;">Plasma</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Plasma Twa 2|<span style="color:#FFFFFF;">Twa</span>]][[User talk:Plasma Twa 2|<span style="color:#FF0000;">2</span>]] 22:04, 17 January 2010 (UTC) 
:::::The discussion took place on September 21. It was decided that having the Golden Globes on ITN:R made no sense when we had the Academy Awards, which are more prestigious and cover the exact same thing as the Globes. --[[User:Plasma Twa 2|<span style="color:#FF0000;">Plasma</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Plasma Twa 2|<span style="color:#FFFFFF;">Twa</span>]][[User talk:Plasma Twa 2|<span style="color:#FF0000;">2</span>]] 22:11, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support'''. Especially if we posted it last year. Not until the winners are all known though, obviously. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJMitchell'''</font>]]  [[User_Talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">You rang? </font>]]  19:47, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
::The American media [http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/2010/01/16/2010-01-16_golden_globe_oscar_grammy_sag__which_trophy_has_the_most_mantle_mojo.html doesn't seem to care] for this event as much as the Academy or Grammy Awards... is the third most important entertainment awards ceremony in the United States worthy of inclusion? On the other hand, [http://www.accesshollywood.com/golden-globes-jewels-auctioned-for-haitian-relief-fund_article_27795 Haiti mania] is to be found here too... --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 20:24, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
:::It's getting a fair amount of global media coverage (and the awards haven't even been announced yet), so I'd say that it is significant enough. We ran the (cancelled) awards in [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:In_the_news&oldid=184149853 2008], but not (it appears) in [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:In_the_news&direction=next&oldid=101259879 2007] or [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:In_the_news&oldid=35645533 2006]. The list at [[WP:ITN/R]] shouldn't be seen as restrictive when it can be changed at any time. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 20:40, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
::::'''oppose''' as this has been talked about before. since we post oscars there is no need for golden globes. they are considered less prestigious and more domestic. we discussed this during TIFF convos and few other times since it was posted last year without consensus. -- [[User:Ashishg55|Ashish]][[User talk:Ashishg55|-g55]] 22:40, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::The [[Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates/January 2009#ITN candidates for January 12|discussion last year]] had a fair consensus for posting: out of eight editors who commented, only one opposed the posting (with a comment of "it's just people getting awards. Not really news.") [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 23:14, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::In the discussion on [[Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates/September 2009#ITN candidates for September 21|September 21, 2009]], to my count there were five editors commenting at the time when we decided to remove the Golden Globes. Not one of the five objected to the removal, myself included. --[[User:Plasma Twa 2|<span style="color:#FF0000;">Plasma</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Plasma Twa 2|<span style="color:#FFFFFF;">Twa</span>]][[User talk:Plasma Twa 2|<span style="color:#FF0000;">2</span>]] 23:26, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' gets attention, just not as much as the Oscars.  Also, I don't see how it's more domestic, since it's voted on by the [[Hollywood Foreign Press Association]].  [[User:DC|<span style="color:#8B0000">'''''~DC'''''</span>]] <sub>[[User talk:DC|<font color="#ffb612" face="Tahoma">Talk To Me</font>]]</sub> 22:49, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
::I'm unsure about posting two American awards for film. Particularly in the link I've provided above one of their own newspapers rates it third in a list of (entertainment only) awards at the same time it is actually happening (don't know how low it ranks when non-entertainment awards are included as well or far it would drop in those ratings in the same week as the Academy Awards). One ITN for the Academy Awards is understandable as film is an area where America has been successful but what about other countries with a successful film industry being included as well? --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 23:15, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Interestingly, the ''New York Times''' ranking of Oscars > Grammys > Golden Globes is borne out in the viewing figures for the ITN stories last year! I'm not sure the fact that the awards are handed out in Beverly Hills is too relevant, so long as they have wide international media coverage (which the Golden Globes definitely do). And we do publish film awards from other countries as well.
:::I think ITN/R is getting to be a farce when it is '''''preventing''''' us from publishing news stories which have significant international impact (and, in this case, significant Wikipedia readership: 85k hits last year, roughly four times the figure for the Cannes or Toronto film festivals). If we're not careful, ITN will end up like DYK, with a perfectly logical and consistent system for selecting stories that nobody wants to read! [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 00:06, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
::::To me, it is not the fact that the Golden Globes is not on ITN:R that makes me oppose, it is the fact that it was taken off of it because consensus was that the Golden Globes do not represent the highest achievement in the film industry. I always thought that ITN was here not to merely report what is popular (Cause, you know, then we would have to put up the Tonight Show on the 22nd), but to put links to other things in the news that wouldn't necessarily get a whole lot of views, like the recent item about diamonds. What Candlewicke says below this comment is true. --[[User:Plasma Twa 2|<span style="color:#FF0000;">Plasma</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Plasma Twa 2|<span style="color:#FFFFFF;">Twa</span>]][[User talk:Plasma Twa 2|<span style="color:#FF0000;">2</span>]] 01:17, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::But then if people are so interested in this topic they'll just search for the Golden Globes anyway? As they have to do now before it happens. Maybe there are readers who prefer obscure stories that they don't see anywhere else, don't they matter? --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 00:39, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::If they want something obscure, they can scroll down to (dare I say it!) DYK. We distinguish ourselves from them by posting information that is genuinely interesting to a lot of people and of timely relevance and this is both. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJMitchell'''</font>]]  [[User_Talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">You rang? </font>]]  00:47, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::Of course the "more obscure" stories matter ''as well'', particularly because a lot of the "more obscure" stories we run on ITN are actually very popular. I just checked [[diamond]], for example, it got 60.6k hits yesterday. For comparison, the average DYK hook doesn't even generate a thousand hits, while TFAs are usually 20–40k hits (yesterday's was 37.0k). We should be very careful of the argument that "if people are interested, they'll find the article anyway." If that is the argument, why are we running the Haiti earthquake? Well, we're running the Haiti earthquake because it is "in the news", not because it's popular! Depending on which popularity statistic you choose, the Haiti earthquake is not even our most popular ITN story of January 2010. But the Golden Globe Awards are also "in the news", we '''''know''''' that a lot of our readers will be looking for the article: we should give them a simple link to it from the Main Page because that is what ''In the news'' is there for, it is our ''raison d'être''! [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 01:28, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Is anyone going to comment on the other nominations? I'm surprised this has more interest than [[Jyoti Basu]] and Senegal's offer to Haiti. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 01:01, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' -- also aired ''live'' in countries outside its mother country or near the mother country. &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 02:44, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
::Well, I'm going to '''oppose''' per my above reasons plus the supports not yet convincing me. We posted it last year doesn't work for me with this one. The attention it receives is less than the Oscars as demonstrated and we don't post everything which gets a tiny amount of attention. The 2008 cancellation may have been notable but this year it appears to be going ahead.  Physchim62 says media ranking = Wikipedia views so interest is clearly not there on the same level. That leaves the live screening and we don't post everything which is screened live for the first time. Oh, last one, being aired ''live'' outside its mother country or near the mother country did not get [http://soccernet.espn.go.com/world-cup/story/_/id/727191/ce/uk/&cc=5739?ver=global this example] posted so being aired ''live'' in countries outside its mother country or near the mother country is not a fully convincing argument either (in my opinion). I think I've beaten all supports that gave a reason there. Try harder. :-) --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 03:22, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Candlewicke, I wasn't aware that to get an item posted we had to 'beat' your oppose.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 03:34, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
::::You don't. I was talking about my support. :) --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 03:37, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::OK fair enough.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 03:42, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
:::I'd hardly consider this event as "a tiny amount of attention," as demonstrated by prominent mention at the [http://news.bbc.co.uk/low BBC Website]. Both arguments "Wikipedia views/media ranking same level" don't hold much water, and live screening outside the mother country is frequent for sporting events (even for non-championship games, heck, even [[NBA All-Star Game|no-bearing games]]), but not on entertainment events such as this (only the Oscars might be broadcast internationally live elsewhere, I don't think even the Grammy Awards is broadcast live outside North America). &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 03:51, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
::::OK, I've changed my mind. '''Support'''. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 04:04, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
Ok one note i will add. if this is posted then there should be no problem in posting Indian Filmfare awards for bollywood movies... Because as far as i remember and have read over that was the main point made against Golden Globes before taking them off ITNR. Otherwise there is a clear systemic bias that we have introduced into ITN (not that it wasnt there before :) ). Also Golden globes are for both TV and Movies. So both should be mentioned in the blurb. -- [[User:Ashishg55|Ashish]][[User talk:Ashishg55|-g55]] 04:24, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
:I do support posting [[Filmfare Awards]] (and the golden globes).  That said, in order to post the Filmfare awards, they would need to be much better covered on Wikipedia to meet our requirements.  Currently there are know year by year articles for the awards.  Unfortunately systemic bias is hard to beat. --[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 04:29, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
:I'd post this item right now, but the article isn't very good. I don't really consider bolding winners updating the article. -- '''[[User:Tariqabjotu|<span style="color:black;">tariq</span><span style="color:gray;">abjotu</span>]]''' 05:33, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
:: Hm, I am somehow towards oppose now. Simply, what's a nice blurb? Avatar won two globes? Yes, but so did Dexter and 3 others. And just putting a blurb saying that the ceremony took place does not seem good enough. (it's different with the Oscars because there's only one winner of the best picture) --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 08:12, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
*'''''[[Avatar (2009 film)#Awards and nominations|Avatar]]''''' and '''''[[The Hangover (film)#Critical reception|The Hangover]]''''' win the [[67th Golden Globe Awards|Golden Globe Awards]] for best motion picture.
::Or alternatively with the Golden Globe Awards bolded. I agree that we should be able to do a better job of updating before posting, though. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 09:33, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose'''. If sports only get top level events, why should entertainment gets more. [[User:Tripledot|...]] ([[User talk:Tripledot|talk]]) 11:57, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
::Well, sports events get a lot more luv here on ITN compared to entertainment, at least if you look at ITNR.  A little more on the popular entertainment front wouldn't hurt IMO. However, in any case, the article is not yet suitable for posting.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 15:42, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
I came to support, but after reading the discussion find I '''oppose'''.  Although the point must be made that the GG are not an "American awards for film" as the Academy Awards are; they are selected by film critics from an international organization, none of whom (if I understand correctly) are American.  This should add weight to the support side of this debate.  ''However'', IMHO, I must think that more weight is added to the oppose side by the fact that the GG are a "second level" award.  They maybe a presigious award, however they do not have the gravitas that the Oscars do. This can be seen by how people discus that winning a GG is a stepping stone, or precursor, to winning the Oscar.  So, I would '''Oppose'''.[[User:Rhodesisland|Rhodesisland]] ([[User talk:Rhodesisland|talk]]) 02:12, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

====Haiti update====
The President of Senegal has [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8463921.stm issued an open invitation] to all Haitians to come back to Africa. An entire fertile region is waiting for them. Surely this is not an everyday event? --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 12:15, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support'''--[[User:Avala|Avala]] ([[User talk:Avala|talk]]) 14:49, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' so far, it looks like it's just an invitation. If Haitians take him up on it, then I'll support on that day. --[[User:Plasma Twa 2|<span style="color:#FF0000;">Plasma</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Plasma Twa 2|<span style="color:#FFFFFF;">Twa</span>]][[User talk:Plasma Twa 2|<span style="color:#FF0000;">2</span>]] 02:26, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''', this sounds like the sort of offer you make while knowing it won't be accepted. There are, what, three million Haitians affected by the earthquake – how are they all supposed to cross the Atlantic? And fertile regions around the world, especially in Africa, tend to have people already living in them… [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 02:38, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''', per Plasma Twa, but only if a significant number do (i.e., not 15 people). '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082567">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T♦</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|<span style="color:#FFBF00">Nominate!</span>]]</sup> 03:36, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

====Death of [[Jyoti Basu]]====
*Article says he was "India's longest-serving Chief Minister as of 2010 of any Indian state". [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8463957.stm BBC] correspondent says he "was credited with restoring stability to the state, and bringing in land reforms", "leaves behind a controversial and mixed legacy", was "easily India's most respected communist leader". There is also the "historic blunder". [http://ibnlive.in.com/news/jyoti-basu-the-last-bhadralok-communist/108801-37.html "Jyoti Basu, the last Bhadralok Communist"]. [http://in.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idINLDE60G06920100117 Reuters] describes him as "Jyoti Basu, the patriarch of Indian communism whose pragmatic politics twice brought him close to becoming prime minister". The Indian [[Ted Kennedy]] if there ever was one... or was he only once close to being President, I can't remember. Lots of coverage in India anyway. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 11:55, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
:The [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8151230.stm additional obituary] which the BBC now supplies says he "ran the world's longest serving elected Communist government". --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 12:37, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''Support''', that's more like my idea of a notable politician, someone who did a bit more than "just" get elected. The biography looks in reasonable shape as well, and has been updated. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 13:37, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Anyone else? --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 23:18, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
::::Now front page under "FEATURES, VIEWS, ANALYSIS" with headline "The man who was nearly India's first Communist leader" at [http://news.bbc.co.uk/ http://news.bbc.co.uk/] (between articles on Hillary Clinton and the Africa Cup of Nations in Angola). --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 00:42, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' I looked at several American news sites, and couldn't find a single story on him.  [[User:DC|<span style="color:#8B0000">'''''~DC'''''</span>]] <sub>[[User talk:DC|<font color="#ffb612" face="Tahoma">Talk To Me</font>]]</sub> 02:06, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
::They're all too busy with the Golden Globes, obviously ;-) But ''[http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-01-17/jyoti-basu-communist-who-ran-indian-state-for-23-years-dies.html Business Week]'' is American, isn't it? [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 02:34, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
:::So is CNN, Fox News, MSNBC, the NY Times, Boston Globe, LA Times.  Couldn't find on those sites.  [[User:DC|<span style="color:#8B0000">'''''~DC'''''</span>]] <sub>[[User talk:DC|<font color="#ffb612" face="Tahoma">Talk To Me</font>]]</sub> 02:42, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
::::''[http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/18/world/asia/18basu.html?ref=world New York Times]''. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 03:16, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
::::: User:Dc, the world doesn't end with US... If you study the world history specially about [[Cold War]], you will see that the US were against the Communists, ([[Truman Doctrine]]) they cannot believe that the Communist can rule a state for long which has been democratically ruled. [[Special:Contributions/220.227.133.250|220.227.133.250]] ([[User talk:220.227.133.250|talk]]) 12:14, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' elected leader of [[West Bengal]] for 23 years, a state with 100 million people, and frankly, it's rare for communists to get power without banning all opponents. It's also on ABC, the lack of US coverage, well perhaps not surprising when winners of US sports compettions call themselves "world champions" '''[[User:YellowMonkey|<span style="color:GoldenRod;">YellowMonkey</span>]]'''  (''[[User_talk:YellowMonkey|<span style="color:#FA8605;">bananabucket</span>]]'')  02:22, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''Weak Support'''.  Was going to oppose but the article is good and he was in power at the regional (was he the equivalent of a governor?) level for a long time.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 02:44, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Yes, he was the head of government there. A British-style system where the member of parliament who is the head of the biggest party/alliance is the leader of the jurisdiction. '''[[User:YellowMonkey|<span style="color:GoldenRod;">YellowMonkey</span>]]'''  (''[[User_talk:YellowMonkey|<span style="color:#FA8605;">bananabucket</span>]]'')  02:58, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
::::Why should he have coverage on an American site? Would an American be opposed for not having coverage on an Indian site? This person ruled over for more than two decades over an area with a population more than three times the size of California, which is apparently the most populous US state. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 03:00, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::[http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/18/world/asia/18basu.html There is coverage on an American site] though I agree that shouldn't be a requirement.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 03:13, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
:Suggest: <code> [[Communist Party of India (Marxist)|Communist]] patriarch '''[[Jyoti Basu]]''', the longest serving [[List of Chief Ministers of West Bengal|Chief Minister]] of [[West Bengal]], dies of [[multiple organ dysfunction syndrome]] at the age of 95. </code> --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 03:30, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' -- He was an important indian leader. Any INDIAN newspaper or newschannel would be highlighting him all day today. Why would you look for him on an American news channel an oppose this decision. Sounds very ameri-centric to me. Also, I'm sure if an article about two buses colliding (an incident that probably occurs on  a daily basis in all countries in the world) can be highlighted in the news, than this news is far more important. [[User:Pleasantfartsa|Pleasantfartsa]] ([[User talk:Pleasantfartsa|talk]]) 04:51, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support'''. Maybe I'm being unfair but, in my experience the American media (the ''New York Times'' excepted) don;t report anything much that's not of pressing concern to Americans and what is often big news everywhere is in the worlds might not rate a mention in such news sources, thus someone who is relatively obscure outside of southern Asia is not likely to receive significant coverage. I think this guy satisfies our death criteria and he was obviously a prominent figure in India which, if memeory serves, accounts for something like one sixth of the world's population. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJMitchell'''</font>]]  [[User_Talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">You rang? </font>]]  05:04, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Strongest Support''': He was the old man of Indian politics. He holds the record of being the longest serving chief minister democratically elected. Can this be matched with anyone else? Don't forget every Indian mourns his death (even if he/she is affiliated to any other political party). WP is as much read in India as in US or UK. Need admins to put up this story. --[[User:gppande|<font color="red" face="cursive">'''GP'''</font>]][[User talk:gppande|<font color="black" face="cursive">'''Pande'''</font>]] 08:25, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
:: Posting. And omitting reason of death from the blurb, this is not that relevant in this case. We could add the picture but the new president of Chile is a more recent blurb. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 08:27, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Thanks a lot Tone. You rock as usual !!!! --[[User:gppande|<font color="red" face="cursive">'''GP'''</font>]][[User talk:gppande|<font color="black" face="cursive">'''Pande'''</font>]] 12:22, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Assuming we don't get a new story with a good picture before then, we can (and possibly should) swap the pictures after Piñera has been there for 24 hours (which is about midnight UTC). That way we get a rotation of images as well. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 14:14, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
::::: This is a good idea, my support. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 15:13, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
::::Question--is it normal to put his political affiliation in the blurb?  It seems to me he's notable whether he's a communist or a nationalist.  We don't usually say 'former Republican president Ronald Reagan died yesterday.'--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 14:51, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::True, but there are several people above who have commented on the fact that he was an ''elected'' communist in supporting the story. I think we need a little leeway in how we write the blurbs for obituaries: to take an example from this very story, Tone didn't mentioned the cause of death, although we usually do mention it when it is known, simply because it is rather banal for a 95-year old man to die of multi-organ failure (aka "old age"). [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 15:10, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::  (ec) Somewhere above it says he was a democratically elected communist politician with the longest stay in the office. I think this is the reason his party is there, though it is not fully explained in the blurb. As far as I am concerned, this can be omitted as well. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 15:13, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

====Chilean presidential election====
The [[Chilean presidential election, 2009]] and [[Chilean parliamentary election, 2009]] take place.  If no candidate gains 50% of the vote a run-off will be held on 17 January 2010.  The president-elect will not succeed current president [[Michelle Bachelet]] until 11 March 2010 - [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 11:51, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
:[http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8410345.stm (BBC)] It has gone to the run-off between [[Sebastián Piñera]] and [[Eduardo Frei Ruiz-Tagle]].  I'll move it to January - [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 10:05, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
: Support, sure. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 10:07, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''Support''' when we have the result. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJMitchell'''</font>]]  [[User_Talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">You rang? </font>]]  14:57, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''Support''' result per ITNR [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 15:50, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
:::'''Support'''. [[User:Wizardman|<span style="color:#030">'''''Wizardman'''''</span>]] <sub>[[User:Wizardman/Operation Big Bear|<span style="color:#600">Operation Big Bear</span>]]</sub> 17:45, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
::::'''Support'''.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 18:59, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

====Chemical Ali====
*Former [[Iraq]]i minister '''[[Ali Hassan al-Majid]]''', also known as "Chemical Ali", is [[capital punishment in Iraq|sentenced to death]] for the fourth time, for his role in the [[Halabja poison gas attack]] in 1988. [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8463955.stm (BBC)] --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 08:22, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
:Alternatively, I suppose we could update and feature [[Halabja poison gas attack]] instead. --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 08:24, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
::Does "sentenced to death for the fourth time" not indicate this is a regular occurrence? --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 08:53, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Indeed it seems to be [http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0302/iraq.html an annual event]... :P --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 08:54, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
::::Yes, but I thought the fact that he received four death sentences would be notable. Is it common for a war criminal? --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 09:03, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
:: If I remember correctly he was on ITN when there was the first sentence. I think this is enough. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 10:07, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
:::[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:In_the_news&diff=140271955&oldid=140062978 Good memory!] June 2007 he was sentenced to death. —<small> <span style="border:2px solid #000;padding:1px;">&nbsp;[[User:Cargoking|<span style="color:#000080;">'''Cargoking'''</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Cargoking|<span style="color:#f9f9f9;background:#000000;">&nbsp;talk&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 14:52, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support''' quite notable person and trial.--[[User:Avala|Avala]] ([[User talk:Avala|talk]]) 14:44, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
*'''Wait'''. I might support if they actually carry out the sentence or if it's repealed but it's not beyond the realms of possibility that this will happen again. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJMitchell'''</font>]]  [[User_Talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">You rang? </font>]]  14:55, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
*I have to agree with HJ.  This is the fourth time he's received the sentence, so let's just wait til they hang him.  It doesn't take too long in Iraq.  [[User:DC|<span style="color:#8B0000">'''''~DC'''''</span>]] <sub>[[User talk:DC|<font color="#ffb612" face="Tahoma">Talk To Me</font>]]</sub> 19:04, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
**Not too long? This person must hold the national record. :) --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 01:02, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''I think this was the fourth such sentence against him ?--[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'''</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 05:54, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

==January 15==
{{Portal:Current events/2010 January 15}}
===ITN candidates for January 15===
====Russia ratifies European Court of Human Rights reform====
*[[Russia]] ratifies [[European Court of Human Rights#Reform|European Court of Human Rights reform]], as the last of the 47 [[Council of Europe]] member-states to do so. [http://english.aljazeera.net/news/europe/2010/01/20101151432738981.html (Al Jazeera)] [http://rt.com/Politics/2010-01-15/russia-ratifies-protocol-14.html (RT)] [http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/16/world/europe/16russia.html (NY Times)] [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8460934.stm (BBC)] --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 06:15, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' We have been publishing these type of agreements before, so I don't find any objection this.--[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'''</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 07:30, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose'''. Reading the article shows that these reforms are technical and procedural, not the sort of stuff that's likely to interest a lot of people. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 17:28, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
::I can't find any coverage of this in Russia.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 17:40, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' the Court is the model of upholding the human rights of the people versus their states. Making this more efficient could easily see an stream of high-profile rulings against Russia in particular but also in the Balkans and Belarus and the United Kingdom and France's new, strict laws. [[User:Therequiembellishere|Therequiembellishere]] ([[User talk:Therequiembellishere|talk]]) 17:55, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' per Physcim.  If this were more than a few technical changes I'd support. I haven't seen much coverage of it here in the US. [[User:DC|<span style="color:#8B0000">'''''~DC'''''</span>]] <sub>[[User talk:DC|<font color="#ffb612" face="Tahoma">Talk To Me</font>]]</sub> 18:08, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose'''. Accession would be a news story, changes to the way the court operates are not. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 14:04, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

====[[Claude Monet|Monet]]====
[[File:Beach at Pourville.jpg|right|100x100px|Beach in Pourville]]
Is [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/arts_and_culture/8461814.stm this story] unusual? I am aware that famous paintings and "priceless masterpiece"s are stolen very often but how many are recovered ten years later? --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 16:12, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
:I'll support, as the story's received a fair amount of attention.  But there isn't an article for the panting (I believe the painting is [[Beach in Pourville]]) so I'm not sure which article needs updating.  [[User:DC|<span style="color:#8B0000">'''''~DC'''''</span>]] <sub>[[User talk:DC|<font color="#ffb612" face="Tahoma">Talk To Me</font>]]</sub> 20:05, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support'''. Not earth-shattering news but it's unusual enough to interest people and it has had a lot of international coverage. The article has been created. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 17:26, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
::That seems ready. And there's a picture in the article which I've just inserted here. Suggest: <code> [[Impressionism|Impressionist]] painter [[Claude Monet]]'s '''''[[Beach in Pourville]]''''' is recovered after a ten-year search. </code> --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 20:42, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
::: Actually this is a nice story with a picture as well. Support. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 22:14, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
::I'm glad the story has found support. May I propose another blurb? ('cos I don't really like candlewicke's blurb, nothing personal)
:*'''''[[Beach in Pourville]]''''', a painting by [[Impressionism|Impressionist]] artist [[Claude Monet]] stolen in September 2000, is recovered in [[Poland]].
::We should really try to keep the featured article as near to the front as English grammar would allow us ;-) [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 23:28, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
:::That's fine, just stops anyone delaying it further by asking for one. ;) --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 00:18, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
::::'''Support'''. Good story and photo. -[[User:SusanLesch|SusanLesch]] ([[User talk:SusanLesch|talk]]) 00:26, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::Posted, with image and Physchim62's blurb.  The article is a little short but sufficient enough, I believe, to convey all the important info - [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 00:54, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::I have moved it from the top spot as I found a source (and added it to the article) giving the date of recovery as 12 Jan (when it was also [http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5hYKIj54PEEnxudCUwH8hCo_0yIlw reported by the PA]) - [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 01:11, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Valid point, but it's also valid to take the date of the confirmation, which was (I believe) 15&nbsp;Jan. Without a confirmation of autheticity, we would have had no ITN piece. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 01:33, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

====Mr Gay China====
China's first [[gay pageant]] has been [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8461643.stm shut down] by police an hour before opening. This is news in the [http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article6989681.ece#cid=OTC-RSS&attr=797093 UK] and [http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakingnews/world/view/20100115-247523/Police-block-Chinas-first-gay-pageant-organizers Philippines] so has international relevance and is not another gay marriage story either. There are also articles [http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/asia/165451/mr-gay-contenders-on-parade-in-first-for-china here], [http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-world/mr-gay-contenders-on-parade-in-china-20100115-mcbt.html here] and [http://star-ecentral.com/news/story.asp?file=/2010/1/15/soundnstage/20100115091612&sec=soundnstage here] describing in detail the underwear show which it now seems will now not happen. <small>Shouldn't [[gay pageant]] redirect to somewhere?</small> --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 15:51, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' there is no article. --[[User:Plasma Twa 2|<span style="color:#FF0000;">Plasma</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Plasma Twa 2|<span style="color:#FFFFFF;">Twa</span>]][[User talk:Plasma Twa 2|<span style="color:#FF0000;">2</span>]] 19:26, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
::I found [[Homosexuality in China|one]] and [[Societal attitudes toward homosexuality|another one]] very easily. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 19:38, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
:::'''Oppose''' it doesn't seem to important.  [[User:DC|<span style="color:#8B0000">'''''~DC'''''</span>]] <sub>[[User talk:DC|<font color="#ffb612" face="Tahoma">Talk To Me</font>]]</sub> 20:06, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
::::'''Oppose''' Not important also, I have already seen too much china bashing since last week.--[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'''</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 07:28, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

====Bonaire referendum====
[[Bonaire]], part of the [[Netherlands Antilles]], will hold the [[Bonaire constitutional referendum, 2010]] to determine what the country should do when the Netherlands Antilles [[Dissolution of the Netherlands Antilles|ceases to exist]] on 10 October.  The two choices will be full integration with the [[Netherlands]] or else the formation of a [[Associated state|Free Association]] - [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 17:09, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
:'''Question''' are there any more of these referenda in Netherlands Antilles? I'll support, except I'm worried that we may end up having a string of identical stories for each island. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 00:34, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
::There are no other referenda that are not in the past on the somewhat detailed and somewhat frequently edited dissolution of the NA article, so maybe not. I might be wrong, though. [[User:Sagittarian Milky Way|Sagittarian Milky Way]] ([[User talk:Sagittarian Milky Way|talk]]) 11:07, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
:::My understanding is that this will be the only one, but I haven't found anything that says that explicitly - [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 12:03, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
:::: Support when the results are known. This is going to be a major decision for Bonaire, knowing that the Netherlands Antilles will be dissolved. And regarding the other islands, each can be evaluated separately. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 12:06, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''Weak support'''. I'd rather wait until we know the result f the referendum, but the story is interesting and newsworthy. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJMitchell'''</font>]]  [[User_Talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">You rang? </font>]]  12:07, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''Depends on the result'''. We have always taken referendums on a case-by-case basis, so no exception involved here. As I understand it, this is one of the last steps in dissolving the Netherlands Antilles, but just next week we have the [[Netherlands Antilles general election, 2010]]. If Bonaire votes to integrate with the Netherlands, I would oppose as it is simply the ''status quo'' result. If Bonaire votes for "free association", I would support, as it would open a can of worms in the whole process: the (European) Dutch have said that only integration or independence are on offer. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 12:34, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

====Doomsday clock====
A bit of good news for a change.  The ''[[Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists]]'' [[Doomsday Clock]] has moved back one minute to 6 minutes to midnight.  It's first move away from midnight since 1991. [http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8460324.stm BBC] - [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 01:48, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
:It's interesting, but it is just the opinion of a magazine.  We don't put [[Time Person of the Year]] on here.  [[User:DC|<span style="color:#8B0000">'''''~DC'''''</span>]] <sub>[[User talk:DC|<font color="#ffb612" face="Tahoma">Talk To Me</font>]]</sub> 01:58, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
::I agree we shouldn't feature this atomic clock. --[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'''</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 05:38, 15 January 2010 (UTC)


==January 14==
{{Portal:Current events/2010 January 14}}
===ITN candidates for January 14===
====[[Solar eclipse of January 15, 2010]]====
* '''Nom''' - Is visible in [[Uganda]], [[Indian Ocean]], South [[India]], and [[Sri Lanka]]. - [[User:TouLouse|TouLouse]] ([[User talk:TouLouse|talk]]) 15:57, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
::[[China]], too. [[User:Sagittarian Milky Way|Sagittarian Milky Way]] ([[User talk:Sagittarian Milky Way|talk]]) 21:06, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support'''. Although only an annular eclipse, this is visible from many heavily-populated areas. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 16:25, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''oppose''' since its not total. so nothing really special about it. last one we posted was because it was like longest in many years to come. -- [[User:Ashishg55|Ashish]][[User talk:Ashishg55|-g55]] 17:27, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
:::[http://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/SEsearch/SEsearch.php Actually], this is the longest eclipse of the ''millennium''. The only central eclipse over 11 minutes between [[1992]] [http://eclipses.gsfc.nasa.gov/SEcatmax/SE-3999-6000MaxA.html and] [[3043]]. [[User:Sagittarian Milky Way|Sagittarian Milky Way]] ([[User talk:Sagittarian Milky Way|talk]]) 20:45, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
:::: In this case, I believe this is interesting enough to make it to ITN. Eclipses as long as this one are indeed rare. The article is well-written. If this goes up, I suggest it some time at the beginning of the eclipse tomorrow. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 21:11, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::''change to'' '''support''' as per Sagittarian Milky Way. And we can actually post it early as it is confirmed that it will happen. Its not like there is a chance it may not =). Also the fact about it being longest should be in the blurb -- [[User:Ashishg55|Ashish]][[User talk:Ashishg55|-g55]] 21:33, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
::Support as well, per above. But wait 'til it starts. It should say it's the longest of the millennium.   [[User:DC|<span style="color:#8B0000">'''''~DC'''''</span>]] <sub>[[User talk:DC|<font color="#ffb612" face="Tahoma">Talk To Me</font>]]</sub> 21:47, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

:::The '''[[Solar eclipse of January 15, 2010|longest central solar eclipse]]''' until the year [[31st century|3043]] occurs over parts of Africa, the Indian Ocean and Asia.

::'''Support'''. The eclipse starts at 04:05 UTC. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 23:19, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
::The 'longest of the millennium' fact does not currently appear in the article [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 00:44, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

:::Fixed. [[User:Sagittarian Milky Way|Sagittarian Milky Way]] ([[User talk:Sagittarian Milky Way|talk]]) 03:34, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

:::<s>Is timeanddate.com a reliable source? It summarizes there won't be an equal or longer one 'til Dec. 23, 3043 very well. Or the two sources above? Which would you prefer? I'll add it or them to the article. [[User:Sagittarian Milky Way|Sagittarian Milky Way]] ([[User talk:Sagittarian Milky Way|talk]]) 02:04, 15 January 2010 (UTC)</s>
::::I think you should try some newspaper.--[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'''</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 05:33, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::I don't think the newspaper does the very complex calculations involving among other things the day getting 1 millisecond longer/century and which mountains of the Moon are where (in 3 dimensions) 30,000,000,000.0km from now to the accuracy approaching 100 meters (0.1 sec). They probably get it from the ones that do (Fred Espenak@NASA) anyway. [[User:Sagittarian Milky Way|Sagittarian Milky Way]] ([[User talk:Sagittarian Milky Way|talk]]) 11:36, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::Posting. --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 06:37, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::Could I suggest we put the picture from the Haiti earthquake story back up for another day or two?  It clearly is the main news story and will be for some time.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 01:54, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

====Death of 40 people in [[Papua New Guinea]]====
*[http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=116132&sectionid=3510212 "One of the saddest days in the history of road accidents"]. Fears death toll may rise. Is this enough death for the Main Page? --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 13:44, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' - I start a stub - [[2010 Papua New Guinea bus crash]] - [[User:TouLouse|TouLouse]] ([[User talk:TouLouse|talk]]) 15:19, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
:: If the article is expanded (depends how many sources there are available), I'll support. Though, we have the Haiti earthquake on the top of ITN at the moment and this is a totally different scale of a disaster. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 21:35, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
:::I support when expanded but like Tone I see this as having tough competition with the Haiti story.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 23:22, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Neutral'''. We got rapid complaints last year about the [[2009 Yambol bus crash]]: apparently, 16 dead in Bulgaria was not enough death for the Main Page… [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 23:24, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
::I think 40 is enough.  The timing might be wrong here though.  In any case it's a moot point until the article is expanded.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 23:43, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Expanded. Some of the coverage is horrific and the [http://www.thenational.com.pg/?q=node/5114 pictures] are [http://pacific.scoop.co.nz/2010/01/40-killed-in-horrific-head-on-png-bus-crash/ quite] disturbing. I can't see how anyone would complain about this being unimportant. <code> [[Papua New Guinea]]'s worst '''[[2010 Papua New Guinea bus crash|road accident]]''' kills at least 40 people after two buses collide near [[Lae]]. </code> --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 11:07, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
:::: This is ready to post now. I would like to have at least one more opinion before, though. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 11:55, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support'''. I think the unusually high number of deaths qualifies this item for a spot on ITN. __[[User:Meco|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco|talk]]) 14:49, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''Go for it!''' [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 15:47, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Well? --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 16:14, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
:::: Posting. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 16:16, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
:I'd be interested in whether or not "Bus crash outside of Lubbock, Texas kills 40" would have made ITN. [[User:Unitanode|<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-variant:small-caps;color:#999999">Unit</span>]][[User talk:Unitanode|<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-variant:small-caps;color:#63739F">'''''Anode'''''</span>]] 04:39, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

====Death of [[Masoud Alimohammadi]]====
*His death has been controversial, with [http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/13/AR2010011304392.html two Iranian Presidents] honouring him as a [http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2010/01/201011445424655326.html "victim of terrorism"] and Israel and the United States have been accused of killing him. There are seemingly endless reports on Google from all over the world on this death and lots of reports discussing it in some detail. [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8456076.stm BBC], [http://www.tehrantimes.com/Index_view.asp?code=212142 ''Tehran Times''], [http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/6972265/Iranian-nuclear-scientist-killed-by-bomb.html ''The Daily Telegraph''], [http://beta.thehindu.com/news/international/article79451.ece ''The Hindu''], [http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2010-01/13/content_12804852.htm Xinhua], [http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/LA14Ak02.html Asia Times Online], [http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/749990--scientist-s-killing-rattles-iran ''Toronto Star''], [http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article6985568.ece ''The Times''] and so on. His article has also been well developed although could do with some more improvement. [http://stats.grok.se/en/201001/Masoud%20Alimohammadi 5.5k views on the first full day alone]. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 10:53, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
:Can we send the article to DYK? They'd love those sort of viewing figures! 5.5k hits is not all that many for a reported death that's not even featured on the Main Page – [[Éric Rohmer]] peaked at 16.1k, for example, and [[Miep Gies]] got (an exceptional) 54.1k, just to quote two very recent examples. On the other hand, do we think the ''death'' is significant (as opposed to the person)? I'm leaning towards '''oppose''', as Iran says he wasn't involved in their nuclear program and Irael and the US say they had nothing to do with his death. Running this story would be to give weight to all sorts of speculation. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 12:46, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

====Death of [[Ken Colbung]]====
*An important [http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/breaking-news/aboriginal-leader-ken-colbung-dies/story-e6frf7jx-1225818928688 world leader] has died. "In his heyday, Ken was a force to be reckoned with - and he worked around the world, using that influence for the benefit of Aboriginal people". He did a lot of things: "Mr Colbung lobbied for Aboriginal land rights, conservation, education and the preservation of indigenous culture and spirituality. He was instrumental in the development of the Aboriginal Heritage Act 1972 for the protection and preservation of material of cultural significance. Mr Colbung was successful in his search for the remains of Aboriginal warrior [[Yagan]] whose head was taken to England." Yagan is an FA who seems important and interesting. Ken is indigenous but hopefully this won't be his downfall. --<font face="serif">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wick</span>]]</font> 10:09, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
: '''Oppose''', the article is too short. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 10:12, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
::But if it could be expanded? --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 10:14, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
::I would support if the article can be expanded to at least three times its current length. I think his position as an aboriginal politician (if that is this week's politically correct term) makes his life more significant rather than less. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 12:52, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
:::I confess I know nothing of the man, but he sounds like an interesting figure.  However, beyond expanding the article, I think we need some more evidence of his notability in the media (which may exist).  Also the article is very short, and I think it may be difficult to get it to an suitable state in time for posting.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 14:49, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

====Death of [[Teddy Pendergrass]]====
*'''[[Teddy Pendergrass]]''', the [[quadriplegic]] American soul singer and [http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8458472.stm the first black male singer to record five consecutive multi-platinum albums in the US] (BBC) dies at the age of 59. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJMitchell'''</font>]]  [[User_Talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">You rang? </font>]]  08:42, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''', also performed at [[Live Aid]] which I suppose is as big an audience as it gets. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 08:58, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
: '''Oppose''', the article is too short. At least the biography section.  --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 10:12, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
::No, I don't think the article is too short, although I suspect posting the death of an American singer will draw massive complaints on [[Talk:Main Page]] regardless of the article's condition. --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 21:22, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
::: [[Les Paul]] was American but the article was very elaborate back then. So it was easy to answer to the complaints. No need to worry about the complaints if there are good arguments to put something on ITN. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 21:35, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''Weak support''', I'd be happier if there were more career details in the article. My argument would be that we run comparatively few arts & entertainment stories, so this is an opportunity to redress the balance a bit. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 23:16, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
:::I would prefer if the article were better developed.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 23:20, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
::::Maybe I'm just not country enough, but to me the kind of country star whose death would merit an ITN item would be someone like Garth Brooks, Faith Hill or Shania Twain. Willie Nelson, Dolly Parton or Tim McGraw would be a maybe. -- [[User:Mwalcoff|Mwalcoff]] ([[User talk:Mwalcoff|talk]]) 23:36, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::'''Neutral''' I think a quadriplegic man who was the first black singer to record five consecutive multi-platinum albums is noteworthy, but the article said he had colon cancer, so I'm not sure if this was unexpected. --[[User:Plasma Twa 2|<span style="color:#FF0000;">Plasma</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Plasma Twa 2|<span style="color:#FFFFFF;">Twa</span>]][[User talk:Plasma Twa 2|<span style="color:#FF0000;">2</span>]] 00:21, 15 January 2010 (UTC)


==January 13==
{{Portal:Current events/2010 January 13}}
===ITN candidates for January 13===
====[[Rodrigo Rosenberg Manzano]]====
A truly bizarre story if ever there was one. Rosenberg was the Guatemalan lawyer who was shot dead in May 2009. He had secretly made a video in which he states that, if he were killed, it would be the fault of the Guatemalan President [[Álvaro Colom Caballeros]] (as well as Colom's wife and one of his senior advisers). Now, after an international investigation led by a Spanish prosecutor, it seems that Rosenberg arranged his own murder. He persuaded his business associates to hire a gunman to knock off a person who was supposedly threatening him, but that person was really Rosenberg himself. The story is on [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8455537.stm BBC News], and there are references in the article to ''Christian Science Monitor'' and CNN. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 13:32, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
:On my, I think I've seen something like this in a film... A man hiring an assassin to kill himself. Leaning towards '''support'''. --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 13:39, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
:Was Rosenberg previously on ITN? This seems more like an oddity than actual news, but if it involves the Guatemalan government, then support. Until then, '''neutral'''. --[[User:Plasma Twa 2|<span style="color:#FF0000;">Plasma</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Plasma Twa 2|<span style="color:#FFFFFF;">Twa</span>]][[User talk:Plasma Twa 2|<span style="color:#FF0000;">2</span>]] 18:25, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
::The controversy surrounding the death was nominated on [[Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates/May 2009#ITN candidates for May 15|15&nbsp;May 2009]] (a bit late, given that the death occurred on 10&nbsp;May), but it didn't make it to the Main Page. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 20:23, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
:Sorry this doesn't sound terribly important.  Maybe if the government had actually killed him.  '''Oppose'''  [[User:DC|<span style="color:#8B0000">'''''~DC'''''</span>]] <sub>[[User talk:DC|<font color="#ffb612" face="Tahoma">Talk To Me</font>]]</sub> 20:21, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
::Are you sure about that one, DC? An eight-month international investigation concerning a head of state "doesn't sound terribly important"? We're each entitled to our own opinions, of course, but that one surprises me! [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 20:31, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
:::But the result was that this was a really elaborated suicide, not some kind of government conspiracy. '''Oppose''' from me in this case. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 21:43, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Weak Support'''. It's perhaps not amazingly important in itself, but it IS a unique and interesting story, and did involve a head of state and the UN. I imagine we'd get a lot of clickthroughs on it, though that's not really a reason to post. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 23:52, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Neutral leaning towards a "why the hell not?" support'''. DC and Tone make good arguments- it was, after all, an elaborate suicide, but, as Modest Genius says, it's different, interesting and involved a head of state. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJMitchell'''</font>]]  [[User_Talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">You rang? </font>]]  00:00, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' Fascinating.  ⇌ [[User:Jake Wartenberg|<span style="color:#21421E; font-family:Harrington;">Jake</span>]] [[User talk:Jake Wartenberg|<span style="color:#21421E; font-family:Harrington;">Wartenberg</span>]] 00:05, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' I updated when I came across this from CNN yesterday, so it should be ready to go. It's interesting (to say the least), and at least somewhat significant, involving a head of state. The UN felt it significant enough to launch an inquiry. '''[[User:Grsz11|<span style="color:black;">Grsz</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Grsz11|<b><span style="color:red;">11</span></b>]]</sup>''' 02:42, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
::A well-worded blurb please? --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 06:00, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
:::"A [[United Nations]] investigation into the death of [[Guatemala|Guatemalan]] lawyer [[Rodrigo Rosenberg Marzano]], who had left a pre-recorded message saying President [[Álvaro Colom Caballeros]] was responsible, determines Rosenberg staged his own murder." or something along those lines. '''[[User:Grsz11|<span style="color:black;">Grsz</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Grsz11|<b><span style="color:red;">11</span></b>]]</sup>''' 17:25, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
'''Comment''' : Are we reading Harry Potter in real ? I would only offer a weak support in this case.--[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'''</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 07:36, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
:But the UN enquiry would have been because a head of state was accused of murder. In which case is this so unusual that the UN was involved? Yet he didn't commit the murder at all. So how is this important? He seems to actually ''have'' been reading Harry Potter in real. This is certainly interesting but Main Page? Therefore I suppose I agree with Tone here. If this is posted I'm afraid everyone will start murdering themselves and blaming the government so they can be on the Main Page... --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 09:58, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
::Suicides dressed up as murders are already pretty rare occurrences – usually it's the other way round. A suicide dressed up as murder so as to accuse the local head of state must be fairly high up on anyone's WTF scale! If it '''''had''''' been the Guatemalan government, I don't think there'd be any reason for putting the story up: unfortunately, the Guatemalan authorities don't inspire much confidence for their respect for the rule of law, which is why there is a standing UN commission in the country to investigate such (alleged) crimes. After all, we don't usually post murders of political opposants. Still, we'd probably post the [[Alexander Litvinenko]] case if it happened today, simply because it is unusual in its nature. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 10:28, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
:::The notability of this item seems to depend on how bizarre it is, rather than how significant it is.  It also seems to be an awfully complex story to summarize in an ITN blurb.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 23:17, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
*An [[International Commission against Impunity in Guatemala|international investigation]] clears [[Guatemala]]n [[President of Guatemala|President]] [[Álvaro Colom|Álvaro Colom Caballeros]] of involvement in the murder of '''[[Rodrigo Rosenberg Manzano]]''', concluding that Rosenberg had organized his own assassination. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 23:29, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
:So, are we going to put this up? Roughly 2:1 in favour, depending how you count 'weak' and 'leaning towards' (and yes I know it's not a vote). [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 00:39, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
::Posted. --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 07:03, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

====Elections in Uzbekistan====
"The elections to the Legislative Chamber of Oliy Majlis of the Republic of Uzbekistan held on December 27, 2009, became one of the central topics in the world’s leading media." according to the [http://elections.uz/eng/news_and_events/news_e/world_media_on_elections_in_uzbekistan.mgr Central Election Commission of the Republic of Uzbekistan], so obviously they had to come down off whatever they'd been smoking before they could count the ballot papers! (NB. there was also a second round on 10&nbsp;January) Still, the results have now been published, so...
*The [[Uzbekistan Liberal Democratic Party|Liberal Democratic Party]] wins a [[plurality (voting)|plurality]] of seats in '''[[Uzbekistani parliamentary election, 2009–2010|elections]]''' to the [[Legislative Chamber of Uzbekistan|Legislative Chamber]] of [[Uzbekistan]]. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 10:31, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
:: Yep, support. Are the percentages also available, I see they are missing in the results table... --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 12:16, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Ok, posting. --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 12:18, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
:: No voting figures available (apart from the total number of votes cast), not even for the first round, I've even brushed off my more-than-dusty Russian to look for some in the regional media. I assume that means that there were an embarrassing number of blank votes... It was, of course, a farce of an election, as the article tries to make clear in an NPOV sort of way, but hell, we ran the [[North Korean parliamentary election, 2009|North Korean parliamentary election]] last year, and it got reasonable viewing figures! [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 13:51, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

====Google pulling out of China====
I know they havent pulled out yet. But it ''may'' happen shortly. '''support''' for a major internet company intentionally pulling out after censoring its content for 3 years. Part of news is also gmail getting hacked by people in China. [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8455712.stm BBC] [http://www.thestar.com/business/companies/google/article/750109--google-may-pull-out-of-china-over-censorship?bn=1 Star] [http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/01/12/google.china/index.html CNN] [http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/Google-may-pull-out-of-China-after-web-attacks/articleshow/5439090.cms TimesOfIndia] -- [[User:Ashishg55|Ashish]][[User talk:Ashishg55|-g55]] 14:40, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
:Leaning towards oppose, as it's not entirely clear what the story is here. Google is obviously pissed off, but reading the news reports makes me think that this is just Google trying (possibly counter-productively) to bolster its negotiating position. A story to watch, but I don't think it's ripe for inclusion just yet, until we can actually give our readers some hard facts when they click on the article link. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 15:06, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
::Support if it happens.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 15:14, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Support if it happens, but I personally found it difficult to believe Google would give up such a huge market without fighting to the last breath. --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 15:25, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
::::it seems like google is the one thats keen on pulling out. story might turn into china trying to stop google by allowing uncensored content. even though i highly doubt that but lets see -- [[User:Ashishg55|Ashish]][[User talk:Ashishg55|-g55]] 15:39, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::This seems like a gradual process, instead of Google merely saying "We're done". Would the itn item be the announcment itself, or when Google actually completes the pull-out? --[[User:Plasma Twa 2|<span style="color:#FF0000;">Plasma</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Plasma Twa 2|<span style="color:#FFFFFF;">Twa</span>]][[User talk:Plasma Twa 2|<span style="color:#FF0000;">2</span>]] 20:17, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::I wouldn't want to speculate too much, but shutting down the google.cn domain would seem like a fairly major step to me. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 23:17, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::::I think we can wait till, it is actually carried out.--[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'''</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 07:38, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

====The Kyiv Court of Appeal accused Josef Stalin and other leaders of the former Soviet Union and Soviet Ukraine of organizing mass famine in Ukraine in 1932-1933====
It's interesting and important. I think. --[[User:TarzanASG|TarzanASG]] ([[User talk:TarzanASG|talk]]) 21:26, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
:Is there a suggested article on Wikipedia that needs to be (is?) updated? Or a news link? '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082567">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T♦</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|<span style="color:#FFBF00">Nominate!</span>]]</sup> 21:33, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
::The Kyiv Court of Appeal accused [[Josef Stalin]] and other leaders of the former [[Soviet Union]] and [[Soviet Ukraine]] of organizing '''[[Holodomor|mass famine]]''' in [[Ukraine]] in 1932-1933. [http://www.kyivpost.com/news/city/detail/56954/ (Kyiv Post)] [http://en.rian.ru/exsoviet/20100113/157536602.html (RIA Novosti)] --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 21:53, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Is this any kind of surprise? -- [[User:Mwalcoff|Mwalcoff]] ([[User talk:Mwalcoff|talk]]) 23:50, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
::::'''Oppose''' because this isn't really news, plus there will be no punishments given due to the untimely death of (among others) Stalin a couple of years ago in '53. --[[User:Plasma Twa 2|<span style="color:#FF0000;">Plasma</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Plasma Twa 2|<span style="color:#FFFFFF;">Twa</span>]][[User talk:Plasma Twa 2|<span style="color:#FF0000;">2</span>]] 00:30, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::Doesn't seem to be a lot of substance to this right now--Oppose.  Certainly a major push in Ukraine to blame the Famine on Stalin would be a major news item.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 01:32, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

==January 12==
{{Portal:Current events/2010 January 12}}
===ITN candidates for January 12===
====International court rules UK's Terrorism Act in breach of human rights====
*The [[European Court of Human Rights]] rules that powers contained in the UK '''[[Terrorism Act 2000]]''' violate convention on human rights. [http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jan/12/stop-and-search-ruled-illegal] [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8453878.stm] --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 11:16, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
:Leaning towards support, although the relevant articles still need some work. While at first sight it might seem a bit too local, I think there is international debate (not to say concern) about the sweeping powers given to the security forces through the excuse of the "War on Terra". [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 14:09, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
:[[Stop and search]] is another possible lead article for this story. I think we need to be a little more specific in the blurb. (but there's no rush at the moment, thanks to the democratic fervor of the Uzbekistanis) [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 14:12, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
:: I'd prefer to wait if there's any development following. Neutral otherwise. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 14:13, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
::: What sort of "development" are you thinking of? We need to wait a bit anyway, because the article(s) aren't up to scratch yet (and I'm too busy on other things to improve them myself). [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 14:19, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
:::: Developments such as overturning some decisions made on basis of this act, compensations for people affected etc. I am not too familiar with the topic but as you say, the article is far from ITN material at the moment. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 14:33, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
::::: Those sort of developments will take months to come about, far longer than the ITN timescale of (roughly) 3–5&nbsp;days. We should be able to get comments from the UK government, and maybe a bit of analysis, although most of my usual international news outlets are so focussed on the Haiti quake at the moment that nothing has come up. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 14:52, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose'''. It's a moderately big event for citizens of the UK, but utterly irrelevant to anyone else. The ECHR makes judgements which overturn national laws several times a year; also take a look at [[European Court of Human Rights]] to see how many of its 'notable cases' have involved overturning UK law. And yes, I'm British. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 23:58, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

====Al-Muhajiroun banned in UK====
*<s>The [[United Kingdom]] bans the [[Islamist]] organisation '''[[Al-Muhajiroun]]''' and its three offshoot groups, [[Al-Ghurabaa]], [[Islam4UK]] and [[The Saved Sect]]. [http://www1.voanews.com/english/news/europe/Radical-Islamic-Banned-Britain-12Jan10--81246377.html]</s> --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 11:24, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
:Perhaps this is a bit too domestic/UK-centric? --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 13:55, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose'''. Too local, especially given that the main reason for the banning was a planned march by this organization through [[Wootton Bassett]], the village which receives the coffins of the British soldiers killed in Afghanistan. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 14:09, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
: '''Oppose''', they have been banned before. How big was the group anyway? --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 14:13, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
::Thanks for the comments. I withdraw the nomination. --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 14:18, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

====[[2010 Haiti earthquake|Haiti earthquake]]====
*Severe (7.0) earthquake in Haiti, will affect Cuba, Bahamas, and Dominican as well. CNN has reported a hospital collapse in [[Port-au-Prince]]. '''[[User:Grsz11|<span style="color:black;">Grsz</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Grsz11|<b><span style="color:red;">11</span></b>]]</sup>''' 22:31, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
:I've created a [[2010 Haiti earthquake|stub]]. '''[[User:Grsz11|<span style="color:black;">Grsz</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Grsz11|<b><span style="color:red;">11</span></b>]]</sup>''' 22:34, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
::Obvious '''support''' once the article is sufficient. -- [[User:Mwalcoff|Mwalcoff]] ([[User talk:Mwalcoff|talk]]) 23:23, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''Support'''. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJMitchell'''</font>]]  [[User_Talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">You rang? </font>]]  23:42, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
:::I'm working on this...there are no casualty figures at this time, though, just to mention. (Unfortunately, it will likely not remain that way). '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082567">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T♦</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|<span style="color:#FFBF00">Nominate!</span>]]</sup> 23:43, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
::::'''Support''' if the following line in the article is true. "The earthquake was called the "largest earthquake ever recorded in the area". --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 00:21, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
::Can we put this up now. its starting to look odd that its not there since its become a major international news -- [[User:Ashishg55|Ashish]][[User talk:Ashishg55|-g55]] 01:34, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
:(posted before above, but got lost somewhere) Posted, with a blurb mentioning the collapsed hospital (which seems to be the only damage reported so far). Will someone else update it when more info is available, I am about to go to bed - [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 01:33, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Just wondering, shouldn't this go to the main page? --[[User:Fixman|<b style="color:darkgreen;">Fixman</b>]][[User_talk:Fixman|<sup style="color:red;">Praise me</sup>]] 00:39, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' This is huge news with thousands presumed dead.--[[User:Metallurgist|Metallurgist]] ([[User talk:Metallurgist|talk]]) 00:47, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
Just saw the evening newscast, which used images credited to Twitter. Would these be available under an appropriate license? -- [[User:Llywrch|llywrch]] ([[User talk:Llywrch|talk]]) 01:06, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
:Can we post this image? The Croat president is now pretty old. '''[[User:Grsz11|<span style="color:black;">Grsz</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Grsz11|<b><span style="color:red;">11</span></b>]]</sup>''' 01:41, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
[[File:Haiti-2010-quake.png|right|100px]]
::We generally don't like to use maps as at the 100x100px resolution (right), they become pretty meaningless - [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 01:44, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
:::True. I guess we'll have more useful pictures soon. '''[[User:Grsz11|<span style="color:black;">Grsz</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Grsz11|<b><span style="color:red;">11</span></b>]]</sup>''' 01:47, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
::::Obvious '''Support'''.  The BBC main page now calls this a 7.3 magnitude.  Also, I assume we'll update the blurb once we get casualty estimates?--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 02:10, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
:Can we alter the blurb to mention that several government buildings including the National Palace have been destroyed? I believe that is the most significant fact in lieu of casualty numbers. '''[[User:Grsz11|<span style="color:black;">Grsz</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Grsz11|<b><span style="color:red;">11</span></b>]]</sup>''' 03:31, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''Support'''-- [[User:Moumouza|Moumouza]] ([[User talk:Moumouza|talk]]) 10:53, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
::: Are there any photos available already? Now it would be really appropriate to put one on ITN if there is any. Even a cropped map may be ok. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 22:32, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
::::There was a picture of the destroyed presidential palace a while back, but I can't seem to find it...was it deleted? [[w:User:Ks0stm|<b style="color:#009900;">Ks0stm</b>]] <sup>([[User talk:Ks0stm|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Ks0stm|C]]•[[User:Ks0stm/Guestbook|G]])</sup> 22:41, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
::::: If it was a copyvio, it was probably deleted. For the main page, it needs to have a free licence anyway... --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 22:49, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::: I would guess that free licence images from Haiti are in pretty short supply at the moment. Can we beg for a clear and informative map? [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 23:10, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
[[File:Palacio presidencial de Haiti.jpg|150px|right]]
:A couple of options moving forward that perhaps we can alter the hook. There are now numerous reports stating casualties to be in the hundreds of thousands, we could reflect these reports. Or, several (more like most) government buildings have been destroyed, including the [[National Palace (Haiti)]]. We could use the pre-quake image for the time being. '''[[User:Grsz11|<span style="color:black;">Grsz</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Grsz11|<b><span style="color:red;">11</span></b>]]</sup>''' 00:44, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
::While the reports of collapsed schools and hospitals are moving, and the destruction of the city's historical landmarks will impact the city for centuries, I still feel it's best to concentrate the deaths of people.  THere are fairly reliable reports that the deaths number in the 'thousands' and eventually we'll have a more precise count.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 02:45, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
[[File:Haiti earthquake damage overhead.jpg|left|150px]]
:::Here is a new image (left) that seems reasonable. '''[[User:Grsz11|<span style="color:black;">Grsz</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Grsz11|<b><span style="color:red;">11</span></b>]]</sup>''' 02:48, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
:::: Looks like an illustrative image. And yes, we could start thinking of updating the hook, something like ''Earthquake strikes Haiti, causing a widespread destruction with thousands dead and (more thousands?) missing''. This part is pretty clear already. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 10:42, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::: Any comments here, please? --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 23:04, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
:::: Looks like an illustrative image. And yes, we could start thinking of updating the hook, something like ''Earthquake strikes Haiti, causing a widespread destruction with thousands dead and (more thousands?) missing''. This part is pretty clear already. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 10:42, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::::I strongly support adding the above left image, or any other appropriate picture connected to this story.  This is clearly the biggest news story for some time.  We really should have a picture posted, IMO.  Having the picture from the China map story while this earthquake is the top headline doesn't look good.

:::::::The BBC now quotes red cross estimates of the death toll at 45000-50000.  Can we add that to the blurb?--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 23:10, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Suggested updated blurb (with added text in italics): A 7.0 Mw earthquake strikes Haiti, causing widespread destruction in Port-au-Prince ''(pictured) with an estimated 50,000 deaths.''--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 23:30, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
::Can we pleeeeease get a new image? [[:File:Haitian national palace earthquake.jpg|This one of the National Palace]] or the one from earlier seems appropriate. '''[[User:Grsz11|<span style="color:black;">Grsz</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Grsz11|<b><span style="color:red;">11</span></b>]]</sup>''' 04:21, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
:::[[:File:Downtown Port au Prince after earthquake.jpg|This image]] is very good as well. '''[[User:Grsz11|<span style="color:black;">Grsz</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Grsz11|<b><span style="color:red;">11</span></b>]]</sup>''' 04:36, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

:::: I have this ([[File:Haitian national palace earthquake-Mcropped ITN.JPG|100x100px]]) already protected, if you guys are still interested. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 06:48, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

====[[2010 Habikino shooting|Deaths and injuries in Japan gun attack]]====
*Japan has had a [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8454625.stm "deadly shooting"] which is apparently quite rare. In fact, India: [http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/rest-of-world/Japan-gunman-kills-himself-after-shooting-two-people-police-/articleshow/5438654.cms "Gun crimes are rare in Japan, where illegal possession of a firearm carries a prison sentence of up to 10 years"]. China: [http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/2010-01/12/content_9310138.htm "Guns are strictly controlled in Japan and shootings are rare. When such attacks do occur, they are often linked to gangsters known as yakuza"]. [http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=9541144 ABC News] the same. Does an article exist yet? --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 21:35, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
:[[2010 Habikino shooting|It does now]]. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 21:49, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
::Well? Is it worth expanding? --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 05:06, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
:::I have to '''oppose'''.  Only two deaths and two injuries just isn't that notable (unless there are other circumstances that make it more unusual). I understand the rationale that gun violence is very rare in Japan, but it's still a quite minor incident on a global scale.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 10:17, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
:::'''Oppose''' This one isn't too significant internationally.  I don't buy into the "gun violence is rare in country x, so when it happens in country x, we must put it up" argument.  [[User:DC|<span style="color:#8B0000">'''''~DC'''''</span>]] <sub>[[User talk:DC|<font color="#ffb612" face="Tahoma">Talk To Me</font>]]</sub> 10:27, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
:::'''Oppose''' this is hardly even what one would call a "shooting". The gunman was in the bar to discuss the terms of his divorce with his mother-in-law (in Japan, not as strange as it might sound to Westerners). He stormed out of the bar and returned with a firearm (reports have said shotgun, but hunting rifle seems more likely). He kills the mother-in-law and seriously injures the bar-owner and an employee (who later die). The gunman then kills himself outside the bar. Tragic, but too local by far for ITN! [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 15:29, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
:::If you won't expand it only because you won't be getting the ITN notice/award that's pretty sad. &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 10:29, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

====[[Dagestan]] pipeline explosion====
'''Nom''' - Links: [http://www.itar-tass.com/eng/level2.html?NewsID=14712436&PageNum=0] [http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE60B4FD20100112] - [[User:TouLouse|TouLouse]] ([[User talk:TouLouse|talk]]) 20:08, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
:The links seem to say there has not been much damage. Has there been further damage? --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 21:56, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
::It has [http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8456319.stm left 200,000 people without a gas supply] in Dagestan.  There is an article at [[Mozdok – Makhachkala – Kazi Magomed pipeline]].  Support once updated - [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 12:23, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
:::I would like to see the article on [[Mozdok – Makhachkala – Kazi Magomed pipeline]] to be promoted on the main page, of course, but it is not the first time when that kind of incident happens with this pipeline in Dagestan. And the sources refers also to other current terrorist attacks in this region, so probably the explosion is not a very big news taking account the context. However, I will add a little bit more information to the article. [[User:Beagel|Beagel]] ([[User talk:Beagel|talk]]) 17:49, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
::::Not the main export line, but the local branch line. The Azerbaijani export through the main pipeline continues. [[User:Beagel|Beagel]] ([[User talk:Beagel|talk]]) 18:27, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

====Matteo Ricci's map====
The first [[map]] in [[Chinese language|Chinese]] to show the [[Americas]], created by '''[[Matteo Ricci]]''' at the request of the [[Wanli Emperor]], goes on public display. [http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_chinese_map_debut] --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 17:45, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
:Alternatively, we could update [[History of cartography]]. --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 17:47, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''Support''', not earth-shattering but I think readers will be interested. A slight tweak on the blurb below. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 17:59, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
*The [[History of cartography|first map]] in [[Chinese language|Chinese]] to show the [[Americas]], created by '''[[Matteo Ricci]]''' in 1602 at the request of the [[Wanli Emperor]], goes on public display.
:'''Support''' An interesting item. --[[User:Plasma Twa 2|<span style="color:#FF0000;">Plasma</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Plasma Twa 2|<span style="color:#FFFFFF;">Twa</span>]][[User talk:Plasma Twa 2|<span style="color:#FF0000;">2</span>]] 18:30, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
::I have to go offline soon, I will try to update within 24 hours if consensus continues to support. --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 19:01, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Your Majesty, I'm sure there are others who can do the update as well! take care, see you soon. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 19:02, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
:::: Interesting story, do we have an update anywhere? --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 22:22, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
:::'''Support:''' Quite fascinating. [[User:Wizardman|<span style="color:#030">'''''Wizardman'''''</span>]] <sub>[[User:Wizardman/Operation Big Bear|<span style="color:#600">Operation Big Bear</span>]]</sub> 22:23, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
::::It is a very interesting item, and perhaps deserves posting on that alone.  Still, as I understand all that's happening here is it's on display in the US.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 02:03, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::Thanks for all the supports. I see someone has created [[Impossible Black Tulip (map)]] already. Posting soon. --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 03:59, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
::: '''Oppose''' I love maps and I love China, but I just dont see this as that noteworthy to put on ITN.--[[User:Metallurgist|Metallurgist]] ([[User talk:Metallurgist|talk]]) 05:20, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

====Chile joins OECD====
*[[Chile]] becomes the first [[South America]]n country to be admitted to the '''[[Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development]]'''. [http://www.santiagotimes.cl/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=18011:chile-official-oecd-member-first-in-south-america-&catid=48:other&Itemid=122 (''Santiago Times'')] [http://english.aljazeera.net/news/americas/2010/01/201011123388497507.html (Al Jazeera)] --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 15:36, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
: Support. The wording seems a bit awkward to me, would not be easier to say Chile becomes a member of OECD, the first member of the organization from South America? Either way, the updates are there, post when you feel. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 15:47, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''', story has had coverage in the Spanish press today. The accession still has to be ratified by the Chilean parliament (probably in March), but one would assume that that is a formality, given that there aren't exactly many obligations to OECD membership. I would say that the story is now. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 15:53, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
*[[Chile]] accepts the invitation to join the '''[[Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development]]''', and will become the first member from [[South America]]. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 15:55, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
::Posting soon. I have only two supports but this is not a particularly controversial or borderline item and the update is overdue. --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 15:57, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
:::How about this? ''[[Chile]] joins the '''[[Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development]]''', becoming the group's first South American member.'' [[User:GreenGourd|GreenGourd]] ([[User talk:GreenGourd|talk]]) 16:07, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
::::I would prefer Physchim62's wording because the accession still has to be ratified by the parliament, as he commented above. --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 16:14, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::That's fine. I was suggesting we not connect an independent clause with a dependent clause with a comma and an 'and.' [[User:GreenGourd|GreenGourd]] ([[User talk:GreenGourd|talk]]) 16:26, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::How is it now? --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 16:29, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Nicely played. It's even better with Dumelow's suggestion. [[User:GreenGourd|GreenGourd]] ([[User talk:GreenGourd|talk]]) 16:34, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
'''Oppose'''. Chile signed the accession agreement, ut to become a member it should ratify the agreement first and to deposit the accession instrument (ratification letter). This topic was nominated here when Chile was invited and the agreement then was that it will be posted when becoming a member. [[User:Beagel|Beagel]] ([[User talk:Beagel|talk]]) 16:31, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
:The previous nomination and discussion is [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates&oldid=332086460 here]. &nbsp;
::There is no need for diffs. According to the [[Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates/December_2009|archive]], your very own words: "Of course, alternatively it could be published in the main page on 11 January 2010 when Chile signs the accession agreement." And I said "Let's wait until Chile actually joins." I meant when Chile signs the agreement. --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 16:39, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Well, but formally Chile is not a member yet. [[User:Beagel|Beagel]] ([[User talk:Beagel|talk]]) 16:46, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
::::This year, also probably Israel, Slovenia and Estonia will become members. Do we will post news related to the accession of these countries when they sign the agreement instead of the real date of joining? Just to knew for the future. [[User:Beagel|Beagel]] ([[User talk:Beagel|talk]]) 16:50, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::If the relevant articles are properly updated, I personally don't see any particular problem. Is there any possibility that it won't be ratified after signing? --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 16:53, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::I don't think so. There is a very strong intention to ratify the agreement before the next elections. So, the possibility that the agreement will be not ratified is just theoretical. [[User:Beagel|Beagel]] ([[User talk:Beagel|talk]]) 17:00, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Thanks for the answer. But then, knowing that yourself, why would you want to wait for the formality? I am curious. --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 17:02, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Well, I misunderstood you and thought you meant to wait until Chile becomes formally a member. It is clear that it is not practical to published this issue on the main page several times. At the same time I believe that the signing accession agreement is enough important to be published. So, my opposition based on my misinterpretation of the previous discussion. [[User:Beagel|Beagel]] ([[User talk:Beagel|talk]]) 17:19, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::Thanks for the clarification, and I realize my wording in the previous discussion wasn't too precise. --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 17:23, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::I'm curious why Israel isn't a member yet? It's per capita GDP should've qualified it for sure. [[User:Sagittarian Milky Way|Sagittarian Milky Way]] ([[User talk:Sagittarian Milky Way|talk]]) 17:11, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::That's kinda off-topic here, don't you think? :-D --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 17:14, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Israel (like Estonia, Russia and Slovenia) holds an accession negotiations right now and most likely will join later this year. It will be a good opportunity to promote the OECD article again. [[User:Beagel|Beagel]] ([[User talk:Beagel|talk]]) 17:22, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
'''Oppose''' wait til its ratified.  [[User:DC|<span style="color:#8B0000">'''''~DC'''''</span>]] <sub>[[User talk:DC|<font color="#ffb612" face="Tahoma">Talk To Me</font>]]</sub> 16:48, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Comment''' we ran both the Irish referendum vote and the Czech President's signature concerning the [[Treaty of Lisbon]], as they were both of international significance. Neither of them were "ratifications" in the sense of international law, and the vote of the Chilean parliament won't be either. There is a confusion in English between American usage of "ratification" (approval by the Senate, and never guaranteed these days) and the international legal usage (deposition of the instruments of ratification with the depositary, which is usually a simple bureaucratic act). If the Chilean parliament refuses the offer of OECD membership, that would be a separate story: if it accepts, we probably won't hear a dickie-bird about it in the international media. The section is entitled "In the news", so we should go with stories that are actually in the news, and not artificially delay them for our own internal criteria. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 17:08, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
::Thanks for the excellent explanation. --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 17:20, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support'''. I was going to say wait 'til it's ratified, but Physchim makes a compelling argument. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJMitchell'''</font>]]  [[User_Talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">You rang? </font>]]  17:23, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
::Agree 100% with Physchim.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 02:15, 13 January 2010 (UTC)


==January 11==
{{Portal:Current events/2010 January 11}}
===ITN candidates for January 11===
====Death of Miep Gies====
*The [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8453331.stm death] has taken place of Miep Gies: "The last surviving member of the group who helped protect [[Anne Frank]] and her family from the Nazis, has died in the Netherlands". She also rescued from destruction the well-known account of World War II, ''[[The Diary of a Young Girl]]'' (''The Diary of Anne Frank'') which has sold "tens of millions of copies in dozens of languages" and, by preserving her life and providing meat and vegetables for that time, would have allowed her to write it. "Mrs Gies became a kind of ambassador for the diary, travelling to talk about Anne Frank and her experiences, campaigning against Holocaust denial and refuting allegations that the diary was a forgery. For her efforts to protect the Franks and to preserve their memory, Mrs Gies won many accolades". --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 01:52, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
**'''Support'''. Noteworthy by far. [[w:User:Ks0stm|<b style="color:#009900;">Ks0stm</b>]] <sup>([[User talk:Ks0stm|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Ks0stm|C]]•[[User:Ks0stm/Guestbook|G]])</sup> 02:38, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
::How far? :-) --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 02:45, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Far reaching scope...she even was a character (played by Pat Carroll) in the movie [[Freedom Writers]] (based on [[The Freedom Writers Diary]])...see the second to last paragraph of the plot summary for details. This death is one of those that affects multiple areas of society. [[w:User:Ks0stm|<b style="color:#009900;">Ks0stm</b>]] <sup>([[User talk:Ks0stm|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Ks0stm|C]]•[[User:Ks0stm/Guestbook|G]])</sup> 02:56, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
::An interesting person certainly, but I don't see how she meets ITN's death criteria.  [[User:Dragons flight|Dragons flight]] ([[User talk:Dragons flight|talk]]) 04:13, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
:::'''Oppose''' I don't beleive her connection to another famous person makes her more notable than anyone else. --[[User:Plasma Twa 2|<span style="color:#FF0000;">Plasma</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Plasma Twa 2|<span style="color:#FFFFFF;">Twa</span>]][[User talk:Plasma Twa 2|<span style="color:#FF0000;">2</span>]] 05:05, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
::::'''Comment'''.  The notability is obviously tied to Anne Frank, so whether this item is worthy depends largely on whether one considers Gies' connection to Anne Frank relevant.  That said, Anne Frank's ''Diary'' is one of the most famous books of the 20th century, and Meip Gies enabled it to be published.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 08:44, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''', but we need to address the citation problem with the entry. [[User:GreenGourd|GreenGourd]] ([[User talk:GreenGourd|talk]]) 15:01, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Weak oppose'''. I'm almost convinced by Ks0stm's arguments, I want to be convinced by them, but this story just doesn't hit me as exceptional enough for a natural death. I agree that we need to be a little bit more relaxed with our draconian death criteria, but I still don't think this is the right story. By the time we've explained why she is notable in the blurb, there's very little left to discover in the article. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 16:06, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''Support''' Comparison does not make a compelling argument, but this woman acted in a way that contributed directly to one of the best known human interest stories of WWII, whereas the Japanese man whom we currently feature did no more than be unfortunate in where he was, but fornunate in surviving despite where he was, on two occasions. [[User:Kevin McE|Kevin McE]] ([[User talk:Kevin McE|talk]]) 18:16, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
:::I accept your point that Yamaguchi did no more (himself) than Gies, and actually less (as he was just doing his job), to deserve Main Page coverage. However, we're not giving out awards here: ITN provides a small selection of the possible obituaries, fewer than some other language versions (German is running three at the moment, Dutch runs five, French is running [[Éric Rohmer]] within a shorter ITN section than we have). Of the many people who risked their lives to protect the oppressed during the Nazi régime, why should we feature this woman? Because of the ''Diary''? But she didn't protect Anne Frank because she was protecting a literary superstar! Gies protected Anne Franck because she was a little girl who would otherwise have been killed (as she was in the end). Very noble, and fortunately not all that exceptional in such circumstances. The connection just doesn't hold for me. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 19:15, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
:::: I am somewhere in between support and oppose since I've supported Yamaguchi. Still, I think the opposing arguments prevail here - if we are to include an obituary, I'd prefer Rohmer. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 20:44, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

====Simon Cowell quits ''Idol''====
Simon Cowell has quit American Idol, effective at the end of this season, after Fox announced that they had acquired the rights to an American version of his popular British show, ''X-Factor''. I have already updated the Cowell article with a few sentences. ([http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/8453267.stm BBC])([http://www.thrfeed.com/2010/01/simon-cowell-quits-american-idol-.html THR]) [[User:Unitanode|<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-variant:small-caps;color:#999999">Unit</span>]][[User talk:Unitanode|<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-variant:small-caps;color:#63739F">'''''Anode'''''</span>]] 22:22, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose'''. We have a better entertainment story below. Cowell's career in the U.S. has always (seemed to me to have) been a series of contact problems anyway. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 22:28, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
:::How is the death of a ''French'' film director a "better entertainment story" than the biggest reality star in two countries quitting the top reality show in America? That just seems utterly nonsensical. [[User:Unitanode|<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-variant:small-caps;color:#999999">Unit</span>]][[User talk:Unitanode|<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-variant:small-caps;color:#63739F">'''''Anode'''''</span>]] 22:37, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''Oppose''' Yes, he's the most important element of the biggest show in America, but it's still a TV show.  Besides, he hasn't actually left yet, but says he will at the end of the next season.  If this is notable potentially, it can only be so once he's done his final episode. [[User:HonouraryMix|HonouraryMix]] ([[User talk:HonouraryMix|talk]]) 22:31, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
:::This is sheer madness. It isn't a "contract problem" at all. It's the most popular reality star in the world quitting. It's reported both stateside, and internationally. Why do people even ''try'' to get real news stories through the gauntlet of this process? [[User:Unitanode|<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-variant:small-caps;color:#999999">Unit</span>]][[User talk:Unitanode|<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-variant:small-caps;color:#63739F">'''''Anode'''''</span>]] 22:32, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
::::this doesnt seem any more notable than a character getting killed off on a tv show to me. next time someone important dies on [[Dexter_(TV_series)]] are we going to post it... (given that the character getting killed off was due to some contract issue)? just because this is reality tv doesnt make it any more special -- [[User:Ashishg55|Ashish]][[User talk:Ashishg55|-g55]] 22:36, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::Complete and utter nonsense. Comparing Cowell quitting to the death of a character on a TV series? Is that what this place is about? [[User:Unitanode|<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-variant:small-caps;color:#999999">Unit</span>]][[User talk:Unitanode|<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-variant:small-caps;color:#63739F">'''''Anode'''''</span>]] 22:39, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
:This is more notable than a character in a fictional show being killed off, because Cowell is undoubtedly a huge star.  But, we're still talking about a TV show, and Cowell hasn't left yet.  He's still doing a whole season yet.  If this is notable potentially, wait until his final episode.  And please refrain from calling other editors' opinions "nonsense". [[User:HonouraryMix|HonouraryMix]] ([[User talk:HonouraryMix|talk]]) 22:45, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
::It's notable ''now'' because it's in the news ''now''.  It will also be notable after his last show on ''Idol'', but that fact doesn't make it less notable ''now''. And I'll call nonsense "nonsense", thanks. And it's patent nonsense to think that the death of a French film director is notable, but this is not. [[User:Unitanode|<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-variant:small-caps;color:#999999">Unit</span>]][[User talk:Unitanode|<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-variant:small-caps;color:#63739F">'''''Anode'''''</span>]] 22:48, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
:::so according to you death of a person in real life is less notable than someone quitting a tv show...? (this isnt support for the french director just observation). And i still think getting killed off in fictional tv show is same thing. even fictional shows can have ''huge stars''. leaving or quitting the show in fiction or reality tv is not that different. -- [[User:Ashishg55|Ashish]][[User talk:Ashishg55|-g55]] 22:54, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
::::How about we put both up, and see which gets more hits? Then we'll see which is more notable. As I said, this line of argument is utter nonsense. [[User:Unitanode|<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-variant:small-caps;color:#999999">Unit</span>]][[User talk:Unitanode|<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-variant:small-caps;color:#63739F">'''''Anode'''''</span>]] 22:55, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::well im out of this conversation. good luck getting both up :) -- [[User:Ashishg55|Ashish]][[User talk:Ashishg55|-g55]] 22:57, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::Oh, it won't happen now, and you helped with that. Thanks for the snark, though... <rolls eyes> [[User:Unitanode|<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-variant:small-caps;color:#999999">Unit</span>]][[User talk:Unitanode|<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-variant:small-caps;color:#63739F">'''''Anode'''''</span>]] 23:01, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
:I must ask again that you show your fellow editors some respect by not repeating the word "nonsense" all the time.  It's not necessary. [[User:HonouraryMix|HonouraryMix]] ([[User talk:HonouraryMix|talk]]) 23:00, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
::When they stop posting nonsense like Ashish has, I will. [[User:Unitanode|<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-variant:small-caps;color:#999999">Unit</span>]][[User talk:Unitanode|<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-variant:small-caps;color:#63739F">'''''Anode'''''</span>]] 23:01, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Why don't you withdraw that comment, and we might listen to you. I refuse to consider an editor who treats another editor's comments as "nonsense". [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 23:06, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
::::How else should a comment comparing the biggest reality star in American (a Brit, for that matter) quitting the biggest reality show in America to a character dying on a TV show? It ''is'' nonsense, and I won't say otherwise. I didn't call him an ignorant git or anything like that. I characterized his comments as nonsense, which they were. That's not a violation of WP:CIVIL, and I won't be withdrawing it. I highly doubt that you would have been giving this nomination any serious consideration, though, so I'm not too worried about your ''quid pro quo'' offer. [[User:Unitanode|<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-variant:small-caps;color:#999999">Unit</span>]][[User talk:Unitanode|<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-variant:small-caps;color:#63739F">'''''Anode'''''</span>]] 23:11, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

:'''Strong oppose''' Changes in TV presenters are not significant news. Furthermore, this only affects ONE programme on ONE channel in ONE country - even the recent [[Jonathan Ross]] story is bigger than that. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 23:09, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

::{{ec}} I don't know. I'm not sure what exactly Cowell has achieved, can this be demonstrated here (with sources)? I have outlined why I believe the death of Éric Rohmer is significant below rather than just nominating the event. When I compare the death of someone whose career spans from the 1950s until 2010 to someone who was apparently born as 1960 approached, whose career in television seems to date from about 2001 and who isn't even dead, not to mention that he has announced he is to quit rather than that he has factually quit right now, I am not compelled to support this with such little detail. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 23:11, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
*This is the most asanine "debate" in which I've ever participated. I believe I'll just head for the door now. Miss me, okay? [[User:Unitanode|<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-variant:small-caps;color:#999999">Unit</span>]][[User talk:Unitanode|<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-variant:small-caps;color:#63739F">'''''Anode'''''</span>]] 23:12, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Strong oppose''' The English wikipedia is not the American Wikipedia. I cannot imagine a non-american wikipedia reader being interested in this. [[User:Moumouza|Moumouza]] ([[User talk:Moumouza|talk]]) 20:30, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
::[http://news.google.com/news/search?pz=1&cf=all&ned=us&hl=en&as_q=&as_epq=simon+cowell&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_scoring=r&btnG=Search&as_drrb=q&as_qdr=a&as_minm=12&as_mind=17&as_maxm=1&as_maxd=16&as_nsrc=&as_nloc=philippines&geo=&as_author=&as_occt=any Are] [http://news.google.com/news/search?aq=f&pz=1&cf=all&ned=us&hl=en&q=%22simon+cowell%22+location%3Aireland you] [http://news.google.com/news/search?aq=f&pz=1&cf=all&ned=us&hl=en&q=%22simon+cowell%22+location%3Acanada sure] [http://news.google.com/news/search?aq=f&pz=1&cf=all&ned=us&hl=en&q=%22simon+cowell%22+location%3Abrazil ?] &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 07:01, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

====[[Mark McGwire]] admits using steroids====
McGwire, who was a gigantic story in North America when he broke [[Lou Gehrig]]'s single-season home-run record in 1998, has admitted juicing up that season. This is the number-one Associated Press story on Yahoo News right now, which is very rare for a sports story. It's also on the top section of the nytimes.com and washingtonpost.com homepages. Not a surprise, but an important story nonetheless. In '98, McGwire was a huge national hero on the scale of [[Charles Lindbergh]] after his trans-Atlantic flight. (You have to understand the meaning of baseball in America and the meaning of statistics in baseball.) Now he's admitting he cheated. ([http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/12/sports/baseball/12mcgwire.html?hp]) -- [[Special:Contributions/199.172.169.17|199.172.169.17]] ([[User talk:199.172.169.17|talk]]) 23:43, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
*It was [[Roger Maris]]'s record.  Anyway, I '''oppose''' this nomination, mainly because people have suspected/known this for years. He doesn't even hold the home run record anymore (it now belongs to another [[Barry Bonds|suspected juicer]]. [[User:DC|<span style="color:#8B0000">'''''~DC'''''</span>]] <sub>[[User talk:DC|<font color="#ffb612" face="Tahoma">Talk To Me</font>]]</sub> 00:37, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' if this is the case. If it is already known it is not a new event. If he doesn't even hold the record well... --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 00:51, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''', I don't think we would run this sort of story for a top footballer (soccer player) who had the record for the most goals in a season. We would probably have run the [[Ben Johnson (sprinter)|Ben Johnson]] story, but it would need that sort of a record (100m sprint world record) to do it. As for those years in U.S. baseball: "Looking back, I wish I had never played during the steroid era." is how McGwire put it, which really speaks for itself. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 01:45, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' Anybody who didn't think he was doing them was kidding themselves, so this isn't news, nor is it internationally significant. '''[[User:Grsz11|<span style="color:black;">Grsz</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Grsz11|<b><span style="color:red;">11</span></b>]]</sup>''' 02:28, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

====Temporary resignation====
The [[Office of the First Minister and deputy First Minister|First Minister]] of [[Northern Ireland]], [[Peter Robinson (politician)|Peter Robinson]] temporarily [[Peter_Robinson_(politician)#Spotlight_investigation|steps down]]. [http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0111/north.html (RTÉ)], [http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article6984110.ece (Times Online)], [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/8453229.stm (BBC)], [http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe/01/11/nireland.robinson/index.html?eref=igoogle_cnn (CNN)], [http://www.euronews.net/2010/01/11/n-irish-first-minister-to-temporarily-stand-aside/ (Euronews)]. —<small> <span style="border:2px solid #000;padding:1px;">&nbsp;[[User:Cargoking|<span style="color:#000080;">'''Cargoking'''</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Cargoking|<span style="color:#f9f9f9;background:#000000;">&nbsp;talk&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 21:34, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
: I was thinking about this one. Leaning towards oppose since Northern Ireland is a part of UK, not a separate country (and we didn't post various US states with governors or senators resigning). --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 22:03, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' I agree with Tone, this is on the same level as US State governors. And he's only stepping down temporarily anyway (quite how that's possible I'm not sure). [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 22:08, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
::The Northern Ireland article on Wikipedia describes it as a country. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 22:26, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
::: I know. Sovereign country? Anyway, it's not the same as France or Germany. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 22:27, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
::::'''Oppose''' Tone worded it best.  Northern Ireland is a country, but it's not at the level of the two countries noted.  To all intents and purposes, this is all on the level of US states, and so not notable enough. [[User:HonouraryMix|HonouraryMix]] ([[User talk:HonouraryMix|talk]]) 22:28, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
::Candlewicke, Northern Ireland is a 'constituent country' but not a sovereign state. It's the same status as England, Wales and Scotland have - all are countries which make up the sovereign state of the United Kingdom. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 23:12, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose'''. Completely local news, the sort of mix of sex and petty abuse of power that happens in most places. I will just note that our article on [[Iris Robinson]] is getting [http://stats.grok.se/en/201001/Iris%20Robinson more hits] than either the college football or the darts, just to say that I don't '''''just''''' go on viewing figures! [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 22:33, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' Northern Ireland isn't a sovereign country, so this would be the same as Eliot Spitzer or Sarah Palin resigning.  <small> Of course, one could make an argument that those resignations could've been added, given the media attention they received.</small> [[User:DC|<span style="color:#8B0000">'''''~DC'''''</span>]] <sub>[[User talk:DC|<font color="#ffb612" face="Tahoma">Talk To Me</font>]]</sub> 00:41, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
::''Comment'' we ran the [[Rod Blagojevich]] story this time last year, but only just and only after he refused to resign and was unanimously voted out of office: I'd also say that that was a rather more serious corruption scandal than the one going on in Northern Ireland at the moment. I still go with my assesment that the Robinson scandal (as alleged) would only be a petty and local abuse of power, and so not ITN material. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 01:24, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
:::I wasn't around Wikipedia then, but he was impeached which is a lot rarer.  Plus, this one's only temporary.  [[User:DC|<span style="color:#8B0000">'''''~DC'''''</span>]] <sub>[[User talk:DC|<font color="#ffb612" face="Tahoma">Talk To Me</font>]]</sub> 03:49, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' His wife's resignation was on the front page of my local US paper, but all he's really doing is taking a six-week holiday. '''[[User:Grsz11|<span style="color:black;">Grsz</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Grsz11|<b><span style="color:red;">11</span></b>]]</sup>''' 02:27, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Random factoid''' (just to lighten things up a bit around here) The Simon & Garfunkel song "[[Mrs. Robinson]]" is also getting twice it's usual number of Wikipedia hits in recent days [http://stats.grok.se/en/201001/Mrs._Robinson], and that's even before the Facebook campaign to try to get it to the UK number one single for next Sunday [http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=235645771055&ref=nf]. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 14:56, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
::Meh, [[Mark Sanford]] had 209,000 views in June. But he's American so... &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 15:03, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Interesting, the current hits for [[Iris Robinson]] and last June's hits for [[Mark Sanford]] are almost in proportion to the UK/US populations! I still say that neither story is really earth-shattering in its implications, and that the [[Rod Blagojevich]] story was objectively more important (and unusual). Let's just spare a thought for [[Peter Robinson (politician)]], whom our reders consider [http://stats.grok.se/en/201001/Peter%20Robinson%20%28politician%29 far less interesting] than [http://stats.grok.se/en/201001/Iris%20Robinson his wife]. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 15:40, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
::::There's something wrong there. How about in countries where internet use isn't as prevalent as that in the US and UK? And that Sanford story, if we'd follow the darts championship argument, was an international story, since he "went out" with an Argentine woman. Even the Spanish Wikipedia article had a spike in views. &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 15:45, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

====Death of [[Éric Rohmer]]====
*Seems to be an important figure in film.

''The New York Times'' [http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/12/movies/12rohmer.html?partner=rss&emc=rss says] he was "one of the founding figures of the internationally influential movement that became known as the French New Wave, and the director of more than 50 films for theaters and television" and he "remained true to a restrained, rationalist aesthetic, close to the principles of the 18th-century thinkers whose words he frequently cited in his movies". He was known in America for his film ''[[My Night at Maud's]]'' (1969).

The BBC [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/8452993.stm says]: "He was the director of the critically acclaimed ''Tales of Four Seasons'' and one of the key figures of the post-war New Wave cinema movement" and "Rohmer was awarded the [[Golden Lion]] at Venice in 2001 for his career's work".

The ''Philippine Daily Inquirer'' [http://showbizandstyle.inquirer.net/breakingnews/breakingnews/view/20100112-246832/French-film-maker-Rohmer-dies-at-89 says] his films were "widely distributed abroad".

CBC News [http://www.cbc.ca/arts/film/story/2010/01/11/eric-rohmer-obit.html describes] the New Wave: "The New Wave rejected Hollywood tropes and sought to bring a more edgy, improvised style to cinema. Rohmer avoided both closeups and background music and his slow-moving films show characters in mundane situations such as riding a bicycle or waiting for a train".

His death is also reported in [http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=10619694 ''The New Zealand Herald''].

His obituary in ''The Daily Telegraph'' [http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/culture-obituaries/film-obituaries/6969166/Eric-Rohmer.html describes] him as "the most durable film-maker of the French New Wave" who outlasted his peers and "in his seventies was still making movies the public wanted to see". --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 20:36, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' - important person - [[User:TouLouse|TouLouse]] ([[User talk:TouLouse|talk]]) 20:53, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''', while I have concerns about whether this death was expected or not, he was important in [[Cinema of France|French Cinema]].  I suggest a blurb mention that he was influential in the development of [[French New Wave]].  [[User:DC|<span style="color:#8B0000">'''''~DC'''''</span>]] <sub>[[User talk:DC|<font color="#ffb612" face="Tahoma">Talk To Me</font>]]</sub> 21:06, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
:: Important figure in his field. Support when the article is updated a bit. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 22:03, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''', as this is the ''English'' Wikipedia, if I remember correctly. The death of a ''French'' film director hardly seems of all that great importance. If we were the ''French'' Wikipedia, perhaps, but we're not. [[User:Unitanode|<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-variant:small-caps;color:#999999">Unit</span>]][[User talk:Unitanode|<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-variant:small-caps;color:#63739F">'''''Anode'''''</span>]] 22:42, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
::I don't know whether this is notable enough or not, but one quick point Unita, we don't discriminate on the basis of nationality.  We examine nominations on the basis of the subject's worldwide importance.  Now, I'm not saying this guy is important, I don't know.  But we don't disqualify because he's French and we speak English. [[User:HonouraryMix|HonouraryMix]] ([[User talk:HonouraryMix|talk]]) 22:50, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Okay, so it's ''not'' "discriminating" when people knee-jerk oppose US-based noms, but it ''is'' "discriminating" when I point out that we're editing the English Wikipedia, and that perhaps we should focus on issues that are of more interest to people who are in some way ''English''? I see. [[User:Unitanode|<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-variant:small-caps;color:#999999">Unit</span>]][[User talk:Unitanode|<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-variant:small-caps;color:#63739F">'''''Anode'''''</span>]] 22:53, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
::::{{ec}} I specifically provided sources from prominent English-speaking countries and media, some with a large population (which appeals to some of those whose opinions are often found here). I did not mention the amount of coverage he has received in the French media. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 22:54, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::'''Oppose'''.  He clearly was an important film director but he seems a bit unfamiliar to English-speaking audiences.  He died at the age of 89 and not during an active stage of his career.  He only gets about 1500 hits on [http://news.google.co.uk/news/search?aq=f&pz=1&cf=all&ned=uk&hl=en&q=%C3%89ric+Rohmer google news], which isn't a huge number.  Plus, there really isn't that much prose in the article.  Also, there's been some talk that too many deaths are mentioned on ITN and this certainly seems to be one that doesn't have to go up.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 22:55, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
:It is discriminating when people "knee-jerk oppose US-based noms", but I see no evidence of that.  Case in point, I opposed the nomination of Cowell, but I also opposed a UK-based nomination, and I'm British. [[User:HonouraryMix|HonouraryMix]] ([[User talk:HonouraryMix|talk]]) 22:58, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''support''' when more content about reaction over his death is added to the article -- [[User:Ashishg55|Ashish]][[User talk:Ashishg55|-g55]] 22:59, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
:::'''Comment'''.  We did not report the death of [[Ingmar Bergmann]], a director who is far more notable.  Now, I don't really support the 'we report x so we must report y' argument, but it does get me thinking which film directors, or film personalities in general, are considered worthy for ITN mention.  I think the deaths of many much more notable and certainly more familiar to English-speaking audiences would be hotly contested here.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 23:02, 11 January 2010 (UTC)a
::::Oh, and FWIW the article gets [http://stats.grok.se/en/201001/%C3%89ric%20Rohmer far less traffic than Iris Robinson].--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 23:07, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
:::: (ec) We didn't have the same criteria back in 2007. Anyway, one of the criteria is the quality and update of the article and this one is not ready yet. I think we can continue the debate when/if the article is expanded, otherwise we're just losing time here... --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 23:08, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
::::: {{ec}} [[Ingmar Bergman]] died at the wrong time (like [[Luciano Pavarotti]], etc, they would have a better chance if they had chosen to die today). The death criteria were tighter then. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 23:19, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Weak support''', I think this is harmless. The guy is notable, we have fulfilled all the criteria (including international reaction to his death). My hesitation is the state of the article, which doesn't give much to suggest his exceptional notability, but at least it give more than the blurb (which is not always the case for "general news" stories that are posted. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 23:32, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''', not notable enough for inclusion. There are many far more notable directors out there. [[User:Wizardman|<span style="color:#030">'''''Wizardman'''''</span>]] <sub>[[User:Wizardman/Operation Big Bear|<span style="color:#600">Operation Big Bear</span>]]</sub> 02:05, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
:Who are they? --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 02:14, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
::Besides the obvious (scorcese and others of that magnitude), even his contemporary [[Jean-Luc Godard]] is more well-known to film audiences, as are other French filmmakers such as [[Jean-Pierre Jeunet]]. [[User:Wizardman|<span style="color:#030">'''''Wizardman'''''</span>]] <sub>[[User:Wizardman/Operation Big Bear|<span style="color:#600">Operation Big Bear</span>]]</sub> 02:39, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Mr. Jenuet appears not to have an article. And Jean-Luc Godard, Scorsese and all his associates can go up when they die too. :-) --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 02:44, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
::::Lol, typo on Jeunet. Godard I'd at least consider, which proves my point. Besides, we already have a page for deaths in 2010, we don't have to list every third one on the main page. [[User:Wizardman|<span style="color:#030">'''''Wizardman'''''</span>]] <sub>[[User:Wizardman/Operation Big Bear|<span style="color:#600">Operation Big Bear</span>]]</sub> 02:57, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Can't see the wide significance. And he was 90. '''[[User:Grsz11|<span style="color:black;">Grsz</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Grsz11|<b><span style="color:red;">11</span></b>]]</sup>''' 02:22, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

*Well anyway, <small>this always happens ''after'' I update it. :P</small> In case anyone changes their mind I suggest:
<code> Film director '''[[Éric Rohmer]]''', a key figure in the [[French New Wave]] movement, dies at the age of 89. </code> --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 02:35, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

:It is also 24 hours since there has been an update... --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 02:36, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
::True, but there's no consensus for this one. [[User:Wizardman|<span style="color:#030">'''''Wizardman'''''</span>]] <sub>[[User:Wizardman/Operation Big Bear|<span style="color:#600">Operation Big Bear</span>]]</sub> 02:39, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
:::'''Oppose''' his death wasn't exactly unexpected. --[[User:Plasma Twa 2|<span style="color:#FF0000;">Plasma</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Plasma Twa 2|<span style="color:#FFFFFF;">Twa</span>]][[User talk:Plasma Twa 2|<span style="color:#FF0000;">2</span>]] 05:08, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

====Chinese gender (im)balance report====
*The [[Chinese Academy of Social Sciences]] warns than the skewed '''[[Human sex ratio|gender ratio]]''' in the [[People's Republic of China]], with 119 boys born for every 100 girls, will mean that more than 24&nbsp;million men will be unable to find spouses by 2020. [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8451289.stm (BBC News)]
:I've come up with better nominations, but we seem to be short on stories at the moment. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 12:46, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
::It's an interesting story, but I'm leaning towards oppose.  First, there isn't much of an update (if any) that I saw to the article you bolded. Plus I don't think it's of much significance.  [[User:DC|<span style="color:#8B0000">'''''~DC'''''</span>]] <sub>[[User talk:DC|<font color="#ffb612" face="Tahoma">Talk To Me</font>]]</sub> 17:36, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
:::I think the update can be sorted out, if there's interest in the story. In the international media, we have [http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article6983716.ece#cid=OTC-RSS&attr=797093 (''The Times'')] [http://news.theage.com.au/breaking-news-world/over-24m-chinese-men-face-lonely-future-20100112-m2v9.html (''The Age'')] [http://www.bangkokpost.com/life/family/165010/skewed-china-birth-rate-to-leave-24-mln-men-single (''Bangkok Post'')] [http://www.france24.com/en/20100111-skewed-china-birth-rate-leave-24-mln-men-single (France24)], just to do a quick check. The ''general subject'' is of great significance: the question for me is whether this is the story to go on ITN. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 18:30, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
::::I'm not sure. It is simply a ''possibility'' which ''may'' happen in future. It does not seem to be <code> fact </code>. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 22:59, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' So....? Pretty meaningless announcement. '''[[User:Grsz11|<span style="color:black;">Grsz</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Grsz11|<b><span style="color:red;">11</span></b>]]</sup>''' 02:24, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

==January 10==
{{Portal:Current events/2010 January 10}}
===ITN candidates for January 10===
====Issa bin Zayed Al Nahyan====
*[[Sheikh]] '''[[Issa bin Zayed Al Nahyan]]''', a member of the [[United Arab Emirates]]' ruling family, is acquitted of all charges connected to the videotaped beating and torture of an [[Afghan]] grain dealer. [http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/01/10/uae.sheikh.torture.aquittal/ CNN] [http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE60911O20100110 Reuters] "It was the first time that a member of the ruling family of this wealthy Gulf Arab nation had been put on trial, but human rights groups were quick to criticize Issa's acquittal."[http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010/01/10/world/AP-ML-Emirates-Torture-Tape.html] Seems significant enough to me. Any comments? --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 22:05, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
:The article needs a lot of work though. --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 22:07, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
::Seems like a BLP nightmare to me, and one where the person concerned is extremely rich and powerful (as well as alledgedly being not very nice to people he doesn't like). Just try writing a blurb, and you'll see what I mean! [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 22:23, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
:::That thought occurred in my mind. I suppose we can only post guilty verdicts, not acquittals then. --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 22:28, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
::::I wouldn't go to that extreme! In fact my analysis is rather different. In this case, it would have been the detention the most significant act, as it is very rare '''''anywhere''''' for a member of a royal family to be held in prison for seven months on the charges of a commoner. 
:::::<small>That's the way it's ''supposed'' to be. If Physchim62 is shocked that when a royal happens to set a man's genitals on fire, drive over him with an SUV and electrocute his anus he gets arrested then I feel sorry for the world.
:::::If there was a "Prince Charles tortures someone video" (just an example, I have no reason to believe that, and '[[no homo|no libel]]') when people found out I think that would be on ITN. If he was acquitted (!), that would be news too, don't you think?  
:::::It's very rare because there aren't many royals out there (and they're supposed to be brought up to be good citizens and grew up in basically the opposite a rough environment) so the only ones that'd do this would be the ones who are just born naturally sadistic (and possibly ones where some guy killed his mother or something and was later at his mercy, I dunno)</small> [[User:Sagittarian Milky Way|Sagittarian Milky Way]] ([[User talk:Sagittarian Milky Way|talk]]) 10:42, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
::::Unfortunately, we seem to have stopped posting significant detentions about six months ago, insisting on a verdict instead.
::::An aquittal from any of the international courts would be a potential ITN piece, I'm sure (depending on the state of the article). I'm equally sure that we would post the detention of [[Ratko Mladic]], regardless of our recent push towards "verdict-only" posts. So let's not add dogma onto dogma, but take each of these cases as they come. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 18:48, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::'''Strong Support''' There was video evidence and he still wasn't convicted. This shows that the criminal justice system of the United Arab Emirates doesn't work, which being the justice not of some banana republic but a highly-regarded country is striking. I think that if you're not [[Afghani grain dealer|that person]], this acquittal is even more important than the crime because it shows this is systematic of an entire society instead of an isolated individual (maybe that particular royal just happens to be evil, so what?, humans.. it happens) The contrast between the most technologically advanced building ever and the most liberal country in the Muslim world with near-slavery labor and a rotten system from police to courts is striking. [[User:Sagittarian Milky Way|Sagittarian Milky Way]] ([[User talk:Sagittarian Milky Way|talk]]) 10:42, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::Thanks for the comments. Anyone else? --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 15:43, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

====World's first sex robot====
*World's first [[sex robot]] '''[[Roxxxy]]''' makes debut at the [[AVN Adult Entertainment Expo]] in [[Las Vegas]]. --[[User:Defender of torch|Defender of torch]] ([[User talk:Defender of torch|talk]]) 14:57, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose'''. Take this to [[T:TDYK|DYK]] instead. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 15:20, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Strong oppose''' Not worldly-significant by any stretch of the imagination. [[User:HonouraryMix|HonouraryMix]] ([[User talk:HonouraryMix|talk]]) 16:38, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

====China world's largest exporter====
[[File:Flag of the People's Republic of China.svg|right|75px]]
*[[People's Republic of China|China]] overtakes [[Germany]] to become the '''[[List of countries by exports|world's largest exporter]]'''. __[[User:Meco|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco|talk]]) 13:39, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
:: The article is not updated. When it is, tentative support. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 16:52, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
:::'''Support.''' Pretty big news (many news reports) and don't think this position will change in our lifetimes or maybe also the story about China become the no 1 market for cars.
::'''Support''', pretty notable event. [[User:Wizardman|<span style="color:#030">'''''Wizardman'''''</span>]] <sub>[[User:Wizardman/Operation Big Bear|<span style="color:#600">Operation Big Bear</span>]]</sub> 06:09, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support'''. However, I'd like to note that it won't be confirmed until Germany publishes its 2009 figures in February.[http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8450434.stm]. [[User:Offliner|Offliner]] ([[User talk:Offliner|talk]]) 06:34, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

====Hong Kong Theft====
*Six Chinese arrested in [[Honk Kong]] involved in '''[[2010 Tokyo jewellery heist|jewellery theft]]''' in [[Tokyo]], [[Japan]] <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Saqib Qayyum|Saqib Qayyum]] ([[User talk:Saqib Qayyum|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Saqib Qayyum|contribs]]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
:Is this one a prediction? --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 21:01, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
::The date is 3 jan I think, or otherwise it could have been for people in western side of our globe, because sun rises first in Japan.--[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'''</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 12:25, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
:::'''Oppose'''. Arrests are not enough, a conviction is required. Even then, I doubt this is important enough. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 15:22, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

====Darts World Championship====
*The final of the [[2010 BDO World Darts Championship]] (following [[Phil Taylor]]'s win on 3 January in the [[2010 PDC World Darts Championship]]). See also [[Wikipedia_talk:Recurring_items_on_ITN#Why no darts?]]. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 14:38, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
::Support, I don't see why darts shouldn't be on ITN when we have almost every other sport - [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 21:01, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
:::'''Support''' for the same reason. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 21:02, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
::::Who won? --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 12:34, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Weak Support''' I think darts is a waste of time, but we post other minor sports, so it should go up. As discussed previously, BOTH titles should be combined into a single blurb. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 13:06, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Comment''' Doesn't this have all the problems of the college football piece? A sport which is centred on a single country – and championship darts (as opposed to the pub variety) doesn't even have much of a following there. It's all very well to give ourselves a nice cosy warm feeling inside by being inclusive to minority sports and all that, but we're not supposed to be compiling this column for ourselves. The 2009 BDO championship got about [http://stats.grok.se/en/200901/2009%20BDO%20World%20Darts%20Championship 2000 hits a day] while it was on: that's  [http://stats.grok.se/en/200909/All-Ireland_Senior_Hurling_Championship more than hurling] but [http://stats.grok.se/en/200810/World%20Chess%20Championship%202008 less than chess]. That hardly suggests a large pool of darts fans who are being let down by Wikipedia coverage. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 13:24, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
::It's certainly not a big sport, and I fully understand your concerns. However, it's certainly international (I count 19 different nationalities in the PDC event, and 7 in the BDO), and the highest level of competition in the sport worldwide. Unlike college sports there are no major restrictions on entry, and competitors are professional. If we're going to continue listing events in hurling, snooker, aussie, canadian and gaelic rules football, badminton, sailing etc then this qualifies too. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 15:06, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' who cares?  [[User:DC|<span style="color:#8B0000">'''''~DC'''''</span>]] <sub>[[User talk:DC|<font color="#ffb612" face="Tahoma">Talk To Me</font>]]</sub> 16:11, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
:Lots of people it would seem, judging by the amount of countries mentioned here, and they're not all located in the same part of the world. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 00:45, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per concerns above. This is a relatively minor sport and I don't favour those on ITN unless something really spectacular happens. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 16:52, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

*'''Support'''. Players from England, Norway, Scotland, Wales, Ireland, Australia, Netherlands, Phillipines, Germany, Finland, Canada, and holy fuck, even the United States, participated in these two televised World Championship tournaments. College football this is not. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 20:50, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
*:Suggested blurb: In the  World Championships of [[darts]], '''[[Martin Adams|Martin "Wolfman" Adams]]''' wins the [[2010 BDO World Darts Championship|2010 BDO World Championship]] while '''[[Phil Taylor|Phil "The Power" Taylor]]''' wins the [[2010 PDC World Darts Championship|2010 PDC World Championship]].
:::You can add Northern Ireland, Spain, Slovenia, Sweden, Japan, Gibraltar, Austria, Denmark*, Guyana*, Russia*, Poland*, South Africa* to that list as well (*=preliminary round).  A Chinese player was also due to compete but had to pull out after he couldn't get a British travel visa (he was replaced by a Dutch player).  That makes a total of 25 nations competing across the two championships.  That makes it more of a worldwide event than many of the other sports we feature - [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 21:32, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
::::Wow, the Philip''p''ines sent in a representative? It got ZERO press here. The BCS game sure had a lot more press. &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 01:45, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
:Go on, '''support'''. To post this, just after we refuse the ten-times more popular college football game, on the grounds that the darts championships are somehow "more international", will make us look SO RIDICULOUS that it might even knock some sense into our choice of sporting events to feature.  [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 21:45, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
::::I know this is a tongue in cheek supprt, but yes, if you do the math, a higher percentage of the UK population looked at the 2010 PDC World Championship page on the final day, compared to the percentage of the US population that looked at the page for the 2010 BCS National Championship Game. (0.0096% of the population is the US interest figure in the college football page, which means around 6,000 UK people would have to have looked at the darts page, whereas it was actually looked at by nearly 8,000 people, which is more like 0.013%) So yes, if you supported the college football page based on sheer popularity, you would have to do the same for Darts on principle (which is not even just a UK sport). (unless of course you are ony measuring popularity in raw total numbers, which I am sure you can see has huge issues w.r.t. Wikipedia and basic US centrism) Ignoring the similar levels of apparent interest, I opposed the college football listing because it is just sheer US centrism, irrespective of how popular it is, whereas darts is a top level international interest sport. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 12:53, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::Erm, the [http://stats.grok.se/en/201001/2010%20BDO%20World%20Darts%20Championship BDO World Darts Championship viewing figures] peaked at 3.5k hits on 9&nbsp;January (10th was 2.5k; no figures for 11th yet, which might skew things slightly): that's 57&nbsp;readers per million of the UK population (and rather less if you insist that darts is really an international sport). The [http://stats.grok.se/en/201001/2010%20BCS%20National%20Championship%20Game BCS Championship viewing figures] peaked at 23.9k on 8&nbsp;January: that's 77.5&nbsp;readers per million of the U.S. population (nobody suggests that college football is an international sport). [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 17:43, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::I did say PDC not BDO. I won't bore you with the reasons why one is more popular than the other, that would require you getting into the whole 'what is professional darts' issue, but suffice to say, this is a double nomination because there are two World Championships, and because they both occur at nearly the same time, it was logical to defer listing the PDC until the less popular BDO version finishes. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 18:07, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''Oppose'''.  It's Darts.  The fact that it's 'international' doesn't make it notable.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 22:23, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
:::But why is it considered not notable? As Dumelow said it is played by many more nations than some other sports which have featured on the Main Page. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 00:45, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
::::Sure its played in a lot of countries, but few people in those countries play it (professionally) and care about it.  [[User:DC|<span style="color:#8B0000">'''''~DC'''''</span>]] <sub>[[User talk:DC|<font color="#ffb612" face="Tahoma">Talk To Me</font>]]</sub> 03:02, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
::::'''Support''' if this is indeed the world championship of darts. --[[User:Plasma Twa 2|<span style="color:#FF0000;">Plasma</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Plasma Twa 2|<span style="color:#FFFFFF;">Twa</span>]][[User talk:Plasma Twa 2|<span style="color:#FF0000;">2</span>]] 01:00, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::This is not notable necause it's relagated to a very minor headline in the [http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport BBC Sport]] page; it gets NO mention at [http://www.lequipe.fr/ L'Equipe], [http://www.gazzetta.it/ Gazzetta Dello Sport], [http://espn.go.com/ ESPN.com], and [http://cnnsi.com CNNSI.com].  The sport doesn't have Olympic status or a major international fanbase.  This is a trivial event at best.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 04:45, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::The question is not how "international" a sports event is, not whether it is professional or "recognized by a governing body," whatever that means. The question is how "big of a deal" it is, that is, how many people follow it, how many people care, how many people watch on TV and how much of an economic impact it has. I can't imaging darts qualifying in any of those categories. '''Oppose'''. -- [[User:Mwalcoff|Mwalcoff]] ([[User talk:Mwalcoff|talk]]) 06:53, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::::The BDO version, seen as the lesser of the two, has just had wall to wall coverage on the BBC, the UK's national terrestrial broadcaster. The PDC version gets prime billing on [[Sky Sports]], one of the reasons why this year it was a £1 million tournament. Professional darts is not a trivial or marginal interest sport, and if counting pub leagues, the number of players is gigantic in many countries, it even gives the national sport of football a run for its money in the UK that respect. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 12:22, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
{{posted}}, as the final of the highest level tournament of an international sport. &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 13:30, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
:Removed by [[User:Tone]]. --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 13:39, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
::As it should have been, there is obviously not a [[WP:CONSENSUS|consensus]] to post it. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 13:47, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
:::I suppose this must be the only Wikipedia discussion venue that you can both participate in the discussion and call the consensus on it then. Tone seemingly will only post these 'minorty' sports if they contain spectacular events, well maybe he is just unaware then that the PDC victory represented an unprecedented 15th world title for a single player in Darts. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 14:14, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Infact, it would appear to meet his own criteria - [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:In_the_news/Recurring_items&diff=prev&oldid=337072823 "I oppose darts, hurling and snooker unless there is something special at a specific event - '''like a new record set'''"] [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 14:23, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Not to mention that in the BDO version, another record was set - Adam's now holds the record for consecutive world championship tournament appearances, at 17. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 14:37, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
::::There are always records broken in events such as these championship game/s; there's bound to be at least one record broken or tied in each sporting event ITN featured. &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 14:54, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::I'm pretty sure there is no logical basis for that assertion. Granted Adams creates a new record unless or until he doesn't qualify, but that was merely an afterthought. What actual record is broken if Taylor doesn't win the PDC though? I can't see it. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 15:01, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::I am not Tone, but I'd assume the record he refers to must be of importance that even non-followers of this championship would care about. For example, in North American sporting championships last year, all 4 had at least one record broken. In baseball, the Yankees broke their own record with most World Series titles (and [[Hideki Matsui]] being the first Asian to win the World Series MVP award); in the Super Bowl, [[Wes Welker]] had the most catches; in the Stanley Cup, the the Pittsburgh Penguins have the most Americans in the roster to win the title, and in the NBA Finals, the Orlando Magic had the record for highest field goal percentage in a game. I'd argue all of those records weren't that important. &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 15:12, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Well, yes, it can be taken to ridiculous degrees, but I would dispute whether Taylor's 15 titles or the Yankees similar record are insignificant acheivements. Infact its probably the only record non-Darts people are even vaguely aware of. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 15:30, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::In both cases, it calls into question the real level of competition in these events. You see the same thing in Formula&nbsp;1 racing, and sometimes in cycling, where the rules are bent to preserve the spectacle. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 15:49, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::?. Are you saying we would never have listed a Schumacher World Championship win because it's not a competitive sport? No rules have been bent, Taylor is just a phenomenal player, much like Schumacher was a phenomenal driver.  [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 15:58, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Well there is no need to single out people. Tone removed it since there is no clear consensus which there isnt yet. I will '''support''' this for being multinational event at its highest level. And for the matter of sport not being popular enough, i am not a fan of darts but we posted ''hurling''. need i say more? -- [[User:Ashishg55|Ashish]][[User talk:Ashishg55|-g55]] 15:15, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
:: Just to comment, I removed the item because of no consensus, as already pointed above, and not because of my preferences (that are not relevant in this case). And according to length of this debate, I really doubt whether we'll reach some consensus here... --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 16:21, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
:::I proffer no opinion on the underlying nom, but the removal by someone who had already made their opinion known doesn't seem appropriate to me. [[User:Unitanode|<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-variant:small-caps;color:#999999">Unit</span>]][[User talk:Unitanode|<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-variant:small-caps;color:#63739F">'''''Anode'''''</span>]] 16:30, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
:::We won't see any consensus if simply the ability to type and not the quality of the debate is the only thing being looked at by (un)involved admins. You are involved, and you over-rode an uninvolved admin to support the side that has such brilliant arguments as 'it's darts' and 'who cares'. Why should people even bother making suggestions in such an environment? [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 16:51, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Infact, [[Wikipedia:In the news]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:In_the_news&oldid=336113049 permalink] only calls for evidence of multiple supports, which existed. It says nothing about the presence of a consensus, least of all whether that has to be assessed by involved or uninvolved people. (note that I have raised this as a wider issue at ITN talk also). [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 16:57, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
::::reading all the posts. i would say there is consensus for posting since out of 4 opposes 2 dont even attempt to justify the oppose. we all know posts like "who cares" do not get taken into consideration. I think ITN/C should have little more strict policy towards posting opposes/supports without any justification. This is not a poll! -- [[User:Ashishg55|Ashish]][[User talk:Ashishg55|-g55]] 17:08, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::If you read on, I back it up later with the comment that it may be played in many countries, but few people play it.  Also, the fact that it gets little media attention anywhere illustrates my point that people don't care. [[User:DC|<span style="color:#8B0000">'''''~DC'''''</span>]] <sub>[[User talk:DC|<font color="#ffb612" face="Tahoma">Talk To Me</font>]]</sub> 17:24, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::Which is shockingly also true for US college football over here. No coverage in the news and no channel carried it, a complete opposite to darts. Conclusion - who cares? [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 18:17, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::::The BCS Championship Game and the [[2010 Rose Bowl]] were broadcasted throughout Asia via [[ESPN Star Sports]]. &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 03:23, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::College football is irrelevant, esp. since we didn't post that. However, 'little media attention anywhere' is plainly false, since two of the half-dozen largest television channels in the UK carried the two championships live, and booked out many hours of prime-time to do so. It was all over the sports pages of the newspapers too. I don't know about media in other countries. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 20:41, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::Ok, change it to "little media attention in most of the world".  [[User:DC|<span style="color:#8B0000">'''''~DC'''''</span>]] <sub>[[User talk:DC|<font color="#ffb612" face="Tahoma">Talk To Me</font>]]</sub> 21:08, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support.''' This is not a minor sport. [[User:GreenGourd|GreenGourd]] ([[User talk:GreenGourd|talk]]) 03:56, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

====Uzbekistani parliamentary election====
*The second round of the [[Uzbekistani parliamentary election, 2009–2010]] in 41 of the 135 districts of the [[Legislative Chamber of Uzbekistan]] (94 districts were decided in the first round). [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 21:24, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
*Polls close in the run-off round of the [[Uzbekistani parliamentary election, 2009–2010]] at 1500&nbsp;UTC. When the results will be announced is anybody's guess (it took 48&nbsp;hours for the first round count, although this round is smaller and simpler). [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 10:54, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

:'''Support''' We need more turnover, don't we? [[User:Sagittarian Milky Way|Sagittarian Milky Way]] ([[User talk:Sagittarian Milky Way|talk]]) 16:58, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

====Croatian presidential election====
*The second round of the [[Croatian presidential election, 2009–2010]] between [[Ivo Josipović]] and [[Milan Bandić]]. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 21:31, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
:*'''Support''' when we have the result. '''[[User:Grsz11|<span style="color:black;">Grsz</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Grsz11|<b><span style="color:red;">11</span></b>]]</sup>''' 17:25, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
*Presidential election is taking place today. According to predictions, the difference in votes will be high enough to be able to call the winner in the evening already. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 10:09, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' I think we can wait till the results are announced. Which admin will be online at that time ?--[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'''</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 12:27, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support'''. Is there consensus to add elections of heads of state (as well as general elections) to [[WP:ITNR]]? [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 13:07, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
::That's been our general practice, yes, even indirect elections to the head of state (we ran the [[German presidential election, 2009]], for example). I would say that the notable event is the ''change'' of head of state for whatever reason, to include monarchies, although the election should take precedence over formal inaugurations unless there's a good reason to include the inauguration as well. Note that we ''don't'' usually run changes of heads of government (apart from elections) unless there's a particular international significance. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 13:46, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Indeed. For elected heads of state the election is obviously what we should post, but what about unelected ones? Is it the succession, or the coronation/investiture? If the former, the death/abdication of the predecessor and the succession could be incorporated into a single item. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 14:56, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
::::I have [[WP:BOLD|boldly]] added to [[WP:ITNR]] [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 16:08, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
::::: Hm, when did we have the last change of monarch on ITN? I think in this case death of old monarch is the key, as the successor is usually known well in advance. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 16:52, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::Indeed, succession is instantaneous, though it's possible for abdication as well as death to be the reason. We could end up with an ITN entry akin to 'John I of Genericland dies at the age of 83, and is succeeded by his son Frank II' or whatever. Feel free to change what I've written if you have concerns. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 17:42, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::: Well, yes, abdication or abolition of monarchy (Nepal, not that long ago) is also possible. Coronation is then just a ceremony. And yes, the generic wording seems appropriate. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 17:54, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
: Ok, back to the original topic, Josipović won in a landslide, according to exit pools. I think we'll be able to post this shortly. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 18:03, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
::Yep, it's official, by 60–40. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 23:27, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
*[[Social Democratic Party of Croatia|Social democrat]] [[Ivo Josipović]] is '''[[Croatian presidential election, 2009–2010|elected]]''' [[President of Croatia|President]] of [[Croatia]], beating [[Milan Bandić]] by 60.3% to 39.7%.
:Posted.  ⇌ [[User:Jake Wartenberg|<span style="color:#21421E; font-family:Harrington;">Jake</span>]] [[User talk:Jake Wartenberg|<span style="color:#21421E; font-family:Harrington;">Wartenberg</span>]] 02:16, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
::Shouldn't "Social Democrat" be capitalized, considering that Josipovic is a member of a Social Democratic Party and not merely a person who subscribes to social democracy? [[User:Lockesdonkey|Lockesdonkey]] ([[User talk:Lockesdonkey|talk]]) 03:31, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Fixed, thanks.  ⇌ [[User:Jake Wartenberg|<span style="color:#21421E; font-family:Harrington;">Jake</span>]] [[User talk:Jake Wartenberg|<span style="color:#21421E; font-family:Harrington;">Wartenberg</span>]] 03:52, 11 January 2010 (UTC)


==January 9==
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===ITN candidates for January 9===

==January 8==
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===ITN candidates for January 8===
====Portugal Legalizes Same-Sex Marriages====
* [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8448640.stm BBC]. Portugal parliament passed a law that would legalize same-sex marriage. -- [[User:Ashishg55|Ashish]][[User talk:Ashishg55|-g55]] 00:03, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support'''. It seems to have been reported around the world as tends to be usual for this sort of event. Either way it a major change to a law affecting an incalculable amount of people. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 00:55, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose'''. Votes of same-sex marriage in Europe are not a big deal these days. I would support if it were the [[Vatican City]] which had voted for same-sex marriage. As for "an incalculable amount of people", the population of Portugal is 10.7&nbsp;million, which is a perfectly calculable number. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 01:20, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
::And what about those who are from Portugal but who weren't there to be counted? And minus those who just don't care either way. It's not that easy. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 04:38, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' mostly because it still needs a final vote, but also partially per Physchim's above argument.  [[User:DC|<span style="color:#8B0000">'''''~DC'''''</span>]] <sub>[[User talk:DC|<font color="#ffb612" face="Tahoma">Talk To Me</font>]]</sub> 01:25, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
::I've just noticed as well that the bill hasn't actually passed yet, which must be a killer for an ITN piece. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 01:27, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' until such time this is certain to happen; or even until it is formally adopted. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 05:18, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

====Georgia plane====
* [http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2010-01/08/content_12778269.htm "Russia, Georgia resume flights after 2008 war"]. The war was internationally significant and this is a new landmark being [http://ca.reuters.com/article/topNews/idCATRE6074HE20100108 reported] [http://www.euronews.net/2010/01/08/first-russia-georgia-flight-since-28-war/ around] [http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory?id=9509807 the] [http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=115637&sectionid=351020602 world]. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 23:44, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''Neutral'''. I'd prefer to wait until the land border reopens, which is due to happen in April. That way we get all the developments at once. For the moment, I'm a bit concerned about aht we could say other than that this flight has happened – the ITN blurb would say that the flight has happened, but we should give more information for readers who chose to click on the link. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 00:01, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

====BCS Championship====

*In [[college football]], The [[University of Alabama|Alabama]] [[Alabama Crimson Tide football|Crimson Tide]] ''(head coach [[Nick Saban]] pictured)'' defeat the [[University of Texas at Austin|Texas]] [[Texas Longhorns football|Longhorns]] 37-21 to win the '''[[2010 BCS National Championship Game]]''' 
:While I acknowledge this isn't the highest level of competition, college sports are hugely important in the US, and the story will be of interest to people in the US.  ~ [[User:DC|DC]] ([[User talk:DC|Talk]]&#124;[[Special:Contributions/DC|Edits]]) 08:56, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' as a harmless way to show that we're not actually anti-American around here! The blurb should start "In [[American football]]" or "In [[college football]]". [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 09:56, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
::I added "In college football" and a picture.  ~ [[User:DC|DC]] ([[User talk:DC|Talk]]&#124;[[Special:Contributions/DC|Edits]]) 10:20, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Considering the importance of college football in the US, and the subsequent worldwide image of that importance, I'm open to considering a support.  I'd have to know, however, is this competition the highest level of competition for college football? [[User:HonouraryMix|HonouraryMix]] ([[User talk:HonouraryMix|talk]]) 12:40, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
::::I'd need an expert opinion (of which mine is not) to be sure, but I think it is. Either way, it's harmless: either it proves popular or it get the sort of ITN hits that are usually reserved for dead ex-presidents and [[Andorra]]n elections. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 14:15, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::It is the highest the level.  ~ [[User:DC|DC]] ([[User talk:DC|Talk]]&#124;[[Special:Contributions/DC|Edits]]) 17:55, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
:: Just to make sure, is this the top college event of all sports in the US? Because, I'd prefer having max one non-top professional competition on ITN per year - so that this would not be used as a precedent to also post college basketball, baseball etc. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 18:18, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Ouch, you have a good point Tone.  This could set a precedent for including other US college sports, something I would not approve of, since at the end of the day these are only competitions for domestic educational facilities. [[User:HonouraryMix|HonouraryMix]] ([[User talk:HonouraryMix|talk]]) 18:23, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
::::There's also the Division 1 basketball tournament.  Those are the only two that people really care much about, and I'd say this one is bigger.  ~ [[User:DC|DC]] ([[User talk:DC|Talk]]&#124;[[Special:Contributions/DC|Edits]]) 19:13, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::im going to '''oppose''' since we oppose college basketball. The reason is the same. This particular event is of a domestic sport to begin with which isnt even on domestic level but rather college level. I dont think this should be posted. -- [[User:Ashishg55|Ashish]][[User talk:Ashishg55|-g55]] 19:44, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
::I don't think the "max one non-top professional competition on ITN per year" is a valid argument: a year is a long, long time on Wikipedia, and we have no idea which editors will be voting on ITN stories in December. We're not talking about adding this to [[WP:ITN/R]], merely about adding a news story with an updated article at a time when we are not exactly overwhelmed with good stories. This event has also featured in the discussions at [[WT:ITN]] about the supposed "anti-American bias" of ITN. But if we spend our time worrying about which stories will "set precedents" then we'll never end up doing anything to improve the encyclopedia, which is surely a major role of ITN.
::It's hard to say which is the more popular among WP readers between college football and college basketball. Last year, the [[NCAA Men's Division I Basketball Championship]] got far more hits than the [[2009 BCS National Championship Game]], but college football topics seem to get more year-round and general viewing figures than college basketball topics. DC makes a fair point about the popularity of college sport in the U.S. compared to other countries. I can only think of one non-U.S. college event which we might consider – [[The Boat Race]], which got more views than the [[2009 BCS National Championship Game]] last year. But let's take each one as it comes up. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 21:30, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
:::With the attack on the Togo team there is another sport event for today, one which was a matter of life and death and possibly the end of an international tournament. I know which one I would pick. Would it be too much to include this as well now? I know some people like variety. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 23:04, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
::::I think we can cope! We have a good range of topics and locations at the moment, but we have no sports stories and no stories from the U.S. That's not a calamity in any way – we shouldn't ''always'' be featuring a sports story or a U.S. story – but it's harmless to put one up at the moment. I don't really think the Togo football team attack qualifies as a sports story either: it's a terrorist attack in which at least one person died. When people die, it stops being sport, IMHO. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 23:21, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support'''. Just for the records. --[[User:Bender235|bender235]] ([[User talk:Bender235|talk]]) 02:14, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' On the grounds that we don't feature records from domestic tournaments also bcz of [[WP:ITNSPORTS]]. --[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'''</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 04:19, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
::Consensus can change.  The Japan series wasn't added to that list 'til last year, for example.  [[User:DC|<span style="color:#8B0000">'''''~DC'''''</span>]] <sub>[[User talk:DC|<font color="#ffb612" face="Tahoma">Talk To Me</font>]]</sub> 05:11, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Weak support''' for now, given the expansion of ITNsports and the claims above which I accept in good faith that this is the most prominent of American college sports and also the top level of American college football. Just to make that clear, that means I would oppose using this as a justification for including any other American college sports, at least for now [[User:Nil Einne|Nil Einne]] ([[User talk:Nil Einne|talk]]) 06:06, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
:I think we should make way for two U.S. collegiate sporting events to be included: this, and Division I men's basketball. I'd argue that basketball may a larger international audience than this one. &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 06:39, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''Support''' In America at least, college football is definately more popular than the [[Final Four]] (college basketball). (However, teams are [[BCS Ranking|ranked by a complicated, convoluted system that probably uses computers]] instead of a tournament like in most normal sports and the #1 and 2 ranked simply play each other to determine the winner. But ''somebody'' has to be the champion..) [[User:Sagittarian Milky Way|Sagittarian Milky Way]] ([[User talk:Sagittarian Milky Way|talk]]) 15:06, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' US-centrism is not automatically a Bad Thing if it picks topics that would vaguely interest anybody else outside America (Ted Kennedy etc). College football is ''only'' of interest to Americans, and is thus why this candidate is exactly the kind of US-centrism ITN can do without. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 15:14, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
:The Formula One Championship vaguely interests me, though I can't speak for the least unredneck 7/8ths or so.. [[User:Sagittarian Milky Way|Sagittarian Milky Way]] ([[User talk:Sagittarian Milky Way|talk]]) 15:47, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
::The BCS Championship Game is the championship for US college football at its highest level ([[Division I]]), so it represents the highest level of college football.  That said, I'm not sure I can support, though I would add that I think this event is more notable than many sports events on [[WP:ITNR]], and the article is good enough.  College football is very important in the US but just doesn't have much traction elsewhere.  I suppose I'm '''neutral'''.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 18:51, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''', not the highest level of American football, and was deliberately omitted from [[WP:ITNR]]. Edit: upon closer inspection, this isn't even a formal championship, and is not recognised by the sport's governing body; as a result I'm changing to '''Strong oppose'''. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 21:36, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' Decisive argument for me was the fact this was omitted from [[WP:ITNR]].  Also, comparing this to Formula 1 is a bad example, in my opinion, because F1 is an international sporting tournament, whereas American college football only concerns one country. [[User:HonouraryMix|HonouraryMix]] ([[User talk:HonouraryMix|talk]]) 22:27, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
::The [[AFL Grand Final]] is on there despite being the followed by (much less being the #1 sport of) only some of the states in a country with 14 times less population. See the comment below about not much less than half of Americans having college football as "their" #1 sport. [[User:Sagittarian Milky Way|Sagittarian Milky Way]] ([[User talk:Sagittarian Milky Way|talk]]) 07:54, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
::It should be said that at [[WT:ITNR]] this issue is hotly contested just like here.  I don't think it's correct to say it's 'deliberately omitted', though it certainly is omitted.  I personally think that many items on ITNR are significantly less worthy that either US college basketball or football.  

::The common argument against these items is that they are not the 'highest level' of their sports.  I think the reason so many US WP users strongly support inclusion is that college football and college basketball are seen to some extent as separate sports.  Aside from minor rules differences, the college sports have very separate media coverage and fan bases.  It's very difficult to find an analogue in non-US sports that fully equates this.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 05:54, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

::::What Johnsemlak says is true. Sport almanacs here treat college football and football, and college basketball and basketball as if they were completely different sports. There are 32 professional American football teams for 50+1 American states, some of which have more than one. So many states with no insignificant populations or hectarage such as [[Virginia Cavaliers football|Virginia]], [[Mississippi Rebels football|Mississippi]]*, Montana, Nevada, [[Nebraska Cornhuskers football|Nebraska]]*, and yes, even [[Alabama Crimson Tide football|Alabama]]* have no [[major U.S. Professional Sports League|pro sports]] teams at all. [[Oklahoma Sooners football|Oklahoma]]* has only one sucky pro team (basketball). Due to this, and football being the most common favo(u)rite sport of Americans, most of the people who live in a large portion of the US will therefore root most for a college football team in their area. *=powerhouse [[User:Sagittarian Milky Way|Sagittarian Milky Way]] ([[User talk:Sagittarian Milky Way|talk]]) 07:54, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::(The aptly named [[2010 International Bowl|International Bowl]] might have an easier time here... :P &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 09:50, 10 January 2010 (UTC))

::::In reply to [[User:Johnsemlak]], so what? It's still the same sport. The difference in media coverage and fan base also exists in many other sports (eg motor sports, disability sports). Simply because the US media has separate sections for pro- and college- American football does not make them separate sports. At the end of the day, this is just an amateur variety, which is only open to 'students' (most of whom are on essentially professional athletic 'scholarships' anyway) from a single country, and this game isn't even recognised by the governing body of the sport. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 13:16, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::And separate stadiums, which can even be larger than the professionals'.
::::::Some people would say the same thing about [[Rugby Union]] and [[Rugby League]].  They're both rugby, they look the same.  Why does ITNR have events for both? (I do recognise the difference but I know many people are unaware of the difference.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 08:02, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

::::In reply to [[USer:Sagittarian Milky Way]], again so what? There aren't many big American football teams in the UK either, but that doesn't mean we should post the winners of the [[British American Football League|BAFL]]. You also appear to be falsely conflating 'professional sporting team' with 'member of the big four major leagues'. There are plenty of professional teams outside the major leagues, some of which are even in Alabama - we even have a [[List of professional sports teams in Alabama]]. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 13:22, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::The difference is no one in Britain cares about American football. In America, 50-100K attendences of the college game are common and 24 hours of matches are shown on national TV a Saturday. {{frac|1|3}} of all 12-12 autumn Saturday national TV is live college football. [[User:Sagittarian Milky Way|Sagittarian Milky Way]] ([[User talk:Sagittarian Milky Way|talk]]) 10:24, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::I can't see the relevance of the fact that the match is not recognised by "the sport's governing body". When it comes down to it, the vast majority of sporting events that are featured on ITN are completely irrelevant in any global context: the only reason they are featured is because people watch them and read our articles about them. We don't do a simple count of viewing figures to try to keep a bit of balance and variety on ITN, but I hardly see how balance and variety would have been hurt by featuring this match, which was obviously very popular in the United States [http://stats.grok.se/en/201001/2010_BCS_National_Championship_Game and on Wikipedia]. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 14:00, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::What is this sport's governing body? As far as I know, American football in the U.S. (and most pro sports there) isn't under the control of any "governing body". The NCAA and NFL govern the sport separately. I guess you meant the NCAA doesn't ''recognize'' the champion as the national champion (that distinction goes to [[NCAA Division I Football Championship]] (aka Division I-F''C''S formerly Division I-AA), in which in British terms, Division I-F''B''S (formerly Division I-A) = [[Premier League]] (which is not within the control of the [[Football League]]), while Division I-FCS (I-AA) = [[Football League Championship]]. &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 14:20, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::All the levels from I-A, to I-AA, to II and III (progressively tinier colleges) are governed by the same association, the [[NCAA]]. They decrease in quality of play and most people probably couldn't even name who won I-AA. [[User:Sagittarian Milky Way|Sagittarian Milky Way]] ([[User talk:Sagittarian Milky Way|talk]]) 14:50, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::And, I don't think most Alabamans even know that they have pro sports teams. &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 15:03, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::The governing body of college football is the NCAA. But according to our [[NCAA Division I FBS National Football Championship]] article 'the championship team is not determined by an NCAA championship or tournament', 'the NCAA, the sport's governing body, does not determine or declare a national champion' and multiple restatements of this amongst the related articles. That's what I meant by it not being recognised by the governing body. Your British football analogy is completely off the mark, since the Premier League and Football League are entirely recognised by the Football Association (which is the governing body) and the champions are determined by the top team after all games have been played, not a third-party playoff based on computer-generated rankings. Besides, we don't post the Premier League champions anyway, since it's not the highest level of club competition (that's the UEFA Champions League), and that certainly has higher interest, both nationally and internationally, than this. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 15:17, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::::The [[Football Association]] is the governing body of football in England. There is no governing body of American football in the U.S., and even if there is, no one cares/knows about it. The NCAA has never controlled or held a championship for this type of football at this level, just like they did on basketball or any other NCAA sport. This doesn't diminish the impact of this event. The NFL and the NCAA are not under one umbrella just as the Premier League and the Football League. As for club competition and interest, just as lawyers ask to the judge, it is irrelevant.
:::::::To make it clear, the NCAA is not the "governing body" in this level of this sport. There is no "governing body". &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 15:27, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
:May I opinion that, with the game having occurred nearly 3 days ago, it might be too late to put this up anyway. [[User:HonouraryMix|HonouraryMix]] ([[User talk:HonouraryMix|talk]]) 15:57, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
::Considering that listings usually stay up for longer than that, I don't think this is an issue.  [[User:DC|<span style="color:#8B0000">'''''~DC'''''</span>]] <sub>[[User talk:DC|<font color="#ffb612" face="Tahoma">Talk To Me</font>]]</sub> 16:11, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Good point. [[User:HonouraryMix|HonouraryMix]] ([[User talk:HonouraryMix|talk]]) 16:37, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Comment''': It is inconceivable to me that we didn't see fit to feature the most important sports story in the States in weeks. [[User:GreenGourd|GreenGourd]] ([[User talk:GreenGourd|talk]]) 04:01, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

====[[Ady Gil]] sinks====
[http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/jan/07/sea-shepherd-japanese-whaling-ship Guardian], [http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/sea-shepherd-lose-ady-gil-after-collision-with-whaler/story-e6frfku0-1225817238562 news.com.au] The ''[[Ady Gil]]'' has sunk.  The ship was owned by the [[Sea Shepherd Conservation Society]] and was involved in a collision with the Japanese whaling ship [[Shonan Maru 2]] on 6 January.  In addition both Australia and New Zealand (where the ship was registered) have said that they will launch investigations into the event, which has been called "a dramatic escalation in hostilities between whalers and campaigners".  This might be a bit of a long shot but the articles seem good enough, there are free pictures of the boat and people have been requesting a quicker turn around of stories recently - [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 00:19, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support'''. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 08:53, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
::Support, a nice blurb please? --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 11:53, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
[[File:Ady Gil 2.jpg|100x100px|right]]
''Suggest'': The '''''[[Earthrace|Ady Gil]]''''' ''(pictured)'', a [[trimaran]] used by the [[Sea Shepherd Conservation Society]], sinks following a collision with the [[Whaling in Japan|Japanese]] [[whaling]] vessel ''[[MV Shōnan Maru 2|Shōnan Maru 2]]''. [[User:Arsonal|Arsonal]] ([[User talk:Arsonal|talk]]) 13:28, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
:Posting soon. --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 13:37, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' I don't see this as important enough for the ITN spot. This is blatantly playing into the hands of PR savvy Watson's publicity stunt strategy. So, please, take this off. __[[User:Meco|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco|talk]]) 14:44, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
::I hardly see how sinking a crewed boat in the [[Southern Ocean]], one of the most inhospitable places on the planet, can be seriously regarded as a "publicity stunt". If you have any sources to back up your claims, feel free to add them to the article. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 14:57, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Watson intentionally and regularly provokes such confrontations. This has been widely documented, indeed ''Discovery channel'' has run a dedicated series showcasing Sea Shepherd's acutely media-conscious policy of engaging in high-risk stunts in order to attract attention of international news media. This was no unfortunate accident. As all news reports do in fact seem to agree. The only disagreement is who's (the more) to blame. By selecting this incident for ITN we are being played, and although we shouldn't categorically reject any headlines which have this aspect to them, that certainly should make us reconsider twice before posting. THAT was definitely not done in this case. __[[User:Meco|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco|talk]]) 15:46, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
:Can I register a "wait, what?" '''oppose''' here, despite being late to the party? As noted above, the Sea Shepherd folks are likely using this incident for their own promotional needs, and it's not, to me, a notable enough story to be included. I'd rather see it pulled for further discussion. [[User:Tony Fox|Tony Fox]] <small>[[User_talk:Tony Fox|(arf!)]]</small> 16:54, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''Support keeping the story up'''. I don't see a single outside source to back up the claims being made here, which are verging on a BLP violation. The place to take this is the article talk page, should anyone consider that the sinking was in any way intentional. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 17:06, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
::Either that, or we pull it and never again post a story about terrorism, war or random shopping mall shootings, which are also "publicity stunts" under this sort of definition. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 17:13, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Actually, my point is more of a "who cares?" thing; is there nothing more important going on that we can highlight? Seems to be a very fringe topic for ITN. I also wasn't suggesting there was anything intentional in the sinking, just that Watson and his folks are very good at using the media for their own gains in situations like this. [[User:Tony Fox|Tony Fox]] <small>[[User_talk:Tony Fox|(arf!)]]</small> 19:16, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' - what? This has nowhere near enough significance to be featured on ITN - don't these people go around trying to get in situations like this anyway? Interesting for fans of the show, presumably, but not an important global event. I had to have a good rummage to find external coverage of it too. –&nbsp;<span style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC; font-size:15px;">'''[[User talk:Toon05|Toon]]'''</span> 18:27, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
::Whose significance? The story was far more popular than the gas pipeline or the Malaysian church burning. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 21:03, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Could you clarify what you mean by popular? Are you talking about number of people reading the stories on external sites? I agree that significance is subjective, if that's what you mean, but IMO (as ITN has loose inclusion criteria compared with elsewhere on WP), the coverage that this conflict has garnered has been due to the fact that the crew feature on a TV show that is reasonably popular in the US, rather than because of the events' implications and wider impact. I don't see it as an extraordinary event given the group's apparently confrontational attitude, and the results do not have the devastating or far-reaching effects (not just in terms of lives but also social and political effects) that, to take an example from above, a terrorist attack that kills civilians would have. –&nbsp;<span style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC; font-size:15px;">'''[[User talk:Toon05|Toon]]'''</span> 21:40, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::By "popular", I'm talking about Wikipedia page hits. ''[[Earthrace]]'', the article bolded in this piece, got [http://stats.grok.se/en/201001/Earthrace 20.2k hits on Wednesday and 16.0k hits on Thursday] – note that those are not huge figures for an ITN story, but Friday's figures aren't out yet, and the story only made it to the Main Page on Friday. ''[[Malaysia v. The Herald]]'' has yet to make a thousand daily hits (although it was only posted on Friday), while [[Dauletabad – Salyp Yar pipeline]] (former link for the pipeline story) got 5.2k hits on Thursday. To give a better comparison for the Malaysia story, while we're waiting for Friday's figures, you can just about see an increase in page hits to [[Allah]] and [[Malaysia]] over the last few days compared with December, but it is 2–3k, far from the 20k hits shown by ''[[Earthrace]]''. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 22:19, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::Thankfully, popularity ≠ significance, or we would have Gordon Brown [[Britain's Got Talent|singing songs]] from Les Miserables as Simon Cowell decided who wins the general election. Although, I think a "popular articles" tab would be quite an interesting feature, to be honest. –&nbsp;<span style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC; font-size:15px;">'''[[User talk:Toon05|Toon]]'''</span> 22:42, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
:::: Removed for now. Apparently, I removed another one as well, my bad... I see this is fixed now. Thanks. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 21:41, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support'''. Who gives a damn if it "plays into" what tis Sea Shepherd crowd is trying to do? That isn't what ITN ''should'' be about. It was a very notable, very widely-played story. These opposes sounda lot like IDONTLIKEIT arguments, at least to me. [[User:Unitanode|<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-variant:small-caps;color:#999999">Unit</span>]][[User talk:Unitanode|<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-variant:small-caps;color:#63739F">'''''Anode'''''</span>]] 22:39, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
::Friday's stats have now been published. They are:
::*[[Dauletabad–Sarakhs–Khangiran_pipeline]]: 5.6k
::*[[Ulster Defence Association]]: 6.4k
::*''[[Malaysia_v._The_Herald]]'': 10.1k
::*''[[Earthrace]]'': 57.7k
::I have no problem with posting news stories which don't attract much attention. However, our readers certainly read this story, which makes me very wary of simply saying that it is "insignificant". After all, "significant" ≠ what I like. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 00:28, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Are those viewing stats systematically published somewhere for ITN entries? I was following the response an article I nominated got once on ITN, and the increase in viewing was quite staggering. Not as much as for the Burj Dubai (you have to combine the views for the current name and the redirect from the old name), but some/much of that will be people arriving at the article from outside or just searching for the article after reading about it in the news. Watching the viewing figures tail off over time is interesting as well. The ones I looked at: [http://stats.grok.se/en/201001/Magnus%20Carlsen], [http://stats.grok.se/en/201001/Burj%20Dubai], [http://stats.grok.se/en/201001/Burj%20Khalifa]. [[User:Carcharoth|Carcharoth]] ([[User talk:Carcharoth|talk]]) 03:41, 9 January 2010 (UTC) <small>Please move this to [[WT:ITN]] if that is a more appropriate place.</small>
::::I'm compiling the figures for 2009 at the moment. You have to be a little bit careful with ''directly'' comparing two stories, as there are several effects which can skew the figures for individual articles (such as the time of day the story is posted, or the presence of personal names in the blurb). Still, you can say that [[Magnus Carlsen]] (peak 68.6k) was a popular story, in the top quartile, while [[Burj Khalifa]] (peak 212k) was an exceptionally popular story, in the top 2%. The record is held by [[Michael Jackson]] with a peak of 5.9&nbsp;'''million''' page views in a single day. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 13:29, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support'''. This was a world record attempt, made using environmentally-friendly materials ''and'' it sank after colliding with a whaling vessel, after an anti-whaling campaign. Icelandic fishermen killing a fin whale made ITN, so this should as well. ~[[User:AstroHurricane001/A|<span style="color:blue;">A</span>]][[User:AstroHurricane001|<span style="color:blue;">H</span>]][[User:AstroHurricane001/D|<span style="color:blue;">1</span>]]<sup>([[User:AstroHurricane001/T|T]][[Special:Contributions/AstroHurricane001|C]][[User:AstroHurricane001/U|U]])</sup> 18:55, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

====[[Malaysia v. The Herald]]====

[http://in.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idINIndia-45233720100107 Reuters] [http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/index.php/malaysia/48918-security-tightened-as-politicians-condemn-church-attacks The Malaysian Insider]
[http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010/01/07/world/AP-AS-Malaysia-Allah-Ban.html?_r=6 New York Times]

Controversy of a court ruling on the use of Allah escalates. A church was torched as a protest against a court ruling which determined that the term "Allah" is not exclusively owned by Muslims and that it can be used by the Catholic Church in Malaysia. There were attacks on several churches in the country which failed. <strong>[[User:Earth|__earth]]</strong> <sup>([[User talk:Earth|Talk]])</sup> 04:16, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

:Another church suffered slight damage according to [[Malaysiakini]] -- it's not entirely clear what's going on right now. I'm somewhat biased since I used to attend that church, but this is rather notable I think -- Malaysia is not exactly a country where you expect this sort of thing to happen. [[User:Johnleemk|Johnleemk]] | [[User talk:Johnleemk|Talk]] 04:36, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

[[File:TorchedChurchKualaLumpurAllahRulingControversy.jpg|thumb|100x100px|A church in Kuala Lumpur was torched.]]

:We have picture too. Though there's issue with the license, I've sent an email regarding permission to use the photo from the author to permission-en at wikimedia.org <strong>[[User:Earth|__earth]]</strong> <sup>([[User talk:Earth|Talk]])</sup> 10:06, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

::'''Weak support'''. The impact of this ruling is mainly domestic. However, this is an interesting case by its own right because neighboring Indonesia does allow churches to use Allah to refer to God. Newspapers are talking about it in Indonesia and Singapore as well. [[User:Arsonal|Arsonal]] ([[User talk:Arsonal|talk]]) 11:16, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

:::Support. A blurb please? --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 11:56, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

''Suggest'': Several churches in [[Malaysia]] are attacked following a '''[[Malaysia v. The Herald|dispute]]''' involving the ''[[The Herald (Malaysian Catholic Weekly)|Herald]]'', a [[Catholic Church|Catholic]] newsweekly which used the word ''[[Allah]]'' for the [[God in Christianity|Christian God]]. [[User:Arsonal|Arsonal]] ([[User talk:Arsonal|talk]]) 13:15, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
:Posting soon. --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 13:37, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
Article talks of one church torched and attempt was made on another. What's the definition of "several"? Even Reuter news says 1 church only. Why is this so important news? --[[Special:Contributions/122.248.161.91|122.248.161.91]] ([[User talk:122.248.161.91|talk]]) 15:47, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
*News reports suggest at least 3 churches were targeted in the violence, not just one. [http://beta.thehindu.com/news/international/article77778.ece] [[User:Scanlan|Scanlan]] ([[User talk:Scanlan|talk]]) 01:22, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

It should be noted that any suggestion that there is a connection between the court ruling and the attacks is speculative at this time. I have removed the link, with the suggestion that it be re-added if a separate article is created for the attacks, or if arrests are made and a connection is publicly confirmed. [[User:Andrew Levine|Andrew Levine]] ([[User talk:Andrew Levine|talk]]) 11:52, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

====Togo Africa Cup attack====
[http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/8449319.stm (BBC)] Gunmen have attacked the Togo squad bus, at the Congo-Angola border, wounding several players and staff.  The [[2010 African Cup of Nations]] is due to start on Sunday.  It is not yet mentioned in the Africa cup article and I couldn't find a stand alone article on it, the story has only recently broken and details are few and far between.  This is similar to the [[2009 attack on the Sri Lanka national cricket team]] which we put up, although thankfully there are not yet any reported fatalities - [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 17:58, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' once an appropriate article is updated.  ~ [[User:DC|DC]] ([[User talk:DC|Talk]]&#124;[[Special:Contributions/DC|Edits]]) 18:00, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
(''duplicate nominations merged'')
*'''Violence''' - Gunmen open fire on a bus carrying the [[Togo national football team]] to the [[2010 African Cup of Nations]], two players are amongst those reported injured. [http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/8449319.stm (BBC)] [http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=722453&sec=global&campaign=rss&source=soccernet&cc=5739 (ESPN)] [[User:TouLouse|TouLouse]] ([[User talk:TouLouse|talk]]) 19:25, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
:Update need at : [[Togo national football team#Coach ambush]]
::'''Support''', have they [http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/africa/8449611.stm withdrawn] yet? Even if they don't I would still support but especially if they do. Plus with that many players and staff injured physically and psychologically  would it not severely affect their performance anyway? They don't seem to want to play which makes it more tragic that their sport would be affected. Also several of the players seem to play in England and this is the English Wikipedia as well but even if that isn't the case I would still support as well. And there has been one death now too which I don't think has been mentioned above. So yes in every way, can't see any way to oppose it if it is updated. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 22:26, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''Support''', but I don't think we should rush this one. It is notable, but it is a team from a French-speaking country attacked in a Portuguese-speaking country, it is going to take a little longer than usual to do the update properly! I would say check back in 12 hours time. There should really be an article: [[2010 attack on the Togo national football team]]. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 22:34, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
[[File:Togo-nationalmannschaft.jpg|right|100x100px|Togo national football team in 2006]]
:::I've updated it. The details are known. <code> One person is killed and several are injured as the '''[[Togo national football team]]'''{{'}}s bus ''(team pictured)'' comes under attack ahead of the [[2010 Africa Cup of Nations]].</code> --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 22:58, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''', with updated article. As already stated, we had the attack on the Sri Lankan cricket team too and although there's no evidence this is related to terrorism, it has similar ramifications [[User:Nil Einne|Nil Einne]] ([[User talk:Nil Einne|talk]]) 02:39, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' - I was going to nominate this myself, and then realised it would have been nominated already. There will be more updates over the next few days, so if it does go up, someone may need to keep an eye on the tagline. [[User:Carcharoth|Carcharoth]] ([[User talk:Carcharoth|talk]]) 03:34, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
::Posting, but there is something about the picture's license. It says "Own work of The weaver" and, at the same time, "Public domain Photo with permission from weberberg.de". Who is the author, the user or the website? And I don't see the picture on the website... Just to be safe, I won't use the picture. --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 03:51, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
:::'''Strong Support'''.  However, if the tournament is cancelled (or Togo pull out of the tournament) I recommened we either modify the blurb or replace it.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 18:52, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
::::[http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/africa/8449611.stm Togo pulls out of the African Cup of Nations].  I suggest we update the blurb accordingly.  There could be more serious fallout consequences to come.  I'd rather we keep it as one item though it may become necessary to report a later development separately.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 19:09, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
*The [[Togo national football team]] withdraw from the [[2010 African Cup of Nations]] after an '''[[Togo national football team bus attack|attack]]''' on their team bus kills three people and injures several others. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 20:16, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
::Strongly support Physchim's updated blurb.  The current one is now out-of-date.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 20:54, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
:::I have changed it to Physchim's blurb.  Thanks for updating it - [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 21:07, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
*[http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8450421.stm Togo to play in African Cup].  Jeez, well, that story just reversed itself.  Can we go back to the previous blurb?  Or further update the blurb, noting that the Togo team have decided to participate despite its government's order to withdraw?--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 06:45, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
::Someone has fixed it after it came up at WP:errors - [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 12:16, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

====Knock Nevis scrapped====
[http://www.lloydslist.com/ll/news/knock-nevis-heading-for-indian-scrapyard/20017729869.htm;.5fa4e8cc80be35e2653c9f87d8b8be45bf6ba69a Lloyd's List]
[http://www.bluepulz.com/?Id=1342 bluepulz.com]
[http://www.indianexpress.com/news/crude-oil-carrier-mont-awaits-clearance-to-d/556257/]

[[:File:Knock Nevis.jpg|thumb|right|100x100px|''Knock Nevis''. This is a copyrighted photograph, but I put it here so you could get some idea as to how big this ship is.]]<!--Non free image removed by DASHBot-->
The [[supertanker]] '''''[[Knock Nevis]]''''', the world's largest sea vessel currently in existence, is sold to an [[India]]n company for [[Ship breaking|scrapping]] at the Alang Ship-breaking Yard.
*I admit that this is pushing the number of ship articles linked to in the in the news section, and that the nom is fashionably late, but here we have the largest ship ever built, and she's being scrapped. I feel that the distinction of death of titan like ''Knock Nevis'' ought to be something worthy of a main page ITN appearance. I ask for a little leniency with the nom on account of the fact that since ''Knock Nevis'' has been in the middle east and is heading further east still the news agencies of the west have been slow to pickup on the story. [[User:TomStar81|TomStar81]] ([[User talk:TomStar81|Talk]]) 18:54, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''Oppose''' I don't see how this meets out death criteria ;-) Seriously, the story just doesn't do it for me. Big ships are scrapped all the time. I'd be more likely to support a story about the ''launch'' of a ridiculously big ship than it's ultimate demise, unless there were a huge amount of fuss over the scrapping (see, eg, [[French aircraft carrier Clemenceau (R98)]]). When I see that the ''Lloyd's List'' story is date 15&nbsp;December, that really kills any enthusiasm. Sorry. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 21:42, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
::According to our article she's the longest ship but only the 5th largest ship [[User:Nil Einne|Nil Einne]] ([[User talk:Nil Einne|talk]]) 02:42, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
:::<s>The [[Batillus class supertankers|other four]] have all been scrapped though so technically TomStar81 is right when he said that it was "world's largest sea vessel currently in existence".</s>  (Just seen the other part where he says "largest ship ever built").  I still oppose this story though as it occurred back on 15 December - [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 12:13, 9 January 2010 (UTC)


==January 7==
{{Portal:Current events/2010 January 7}}
===ITN candidates for January 7===

==January 6==
{{Portal:Current events/2010 January 6}}
===ITN candidates for January 6===
====Japan replaces finance minister====
* [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8443484.stm "Japan's PM Yukio Hatoyama is forced to replace his experienced finance minister, who has resigned over ill health"]. This sort of event usually affects the markets, doesn't it? --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 23:49, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''Neutral'''. It usually has to be a complete governmental collapse, if possible with violent street protests, for it to feature on ITN. Still, I shaln't oppose if anyone else thinks we should feature this. [[Hirohisa Fujii|The article]] is very short. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 00:14, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''Oppose''' Don't think its significant enough. [[User:Nirvana888|Nirvana888]] ([[User talk:Nirvana888|talk]]) 02:09, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''Neutral''. Although I'd like to make a note that if the U.S. or even U.K. finance minister resigned suddenly, it is ''guaranteed'' to be posted simply because of systemic bias. Note below recent Chinese snowstorms were not posted, but European and American snowstorms were. [[User:Colipon|Colipon]]+<small>([[User talk:Colipon|Talk]])</small> 03:08, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
:::I don't remember any ''single'' cabinet secretary/minister resignation from any country that was added here. &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 15:50, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

====25 dead in China====
International coverage: [http://af.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idAFTRE6050YX20100106 Africa] [http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=115519&sectionid=351020404 Iran] [http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/china/18-killed-in-China-coal-mine-fire/articleshow/5415487.cms India], [http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0106/china.html Ireland] [http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/06/AR2010010601364.html United States]. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 23:44, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Neutral''' after reading the RTÉ story: "China has the world's deadliest coal-mining industry with more than 3,000 people killed in mine floods, explosions, collapses and other accidents in 2008 alone. A gas blast at a coal pit in China in November killed at least 104." [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 00:20, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

====Severe weather across Europe====
122 deaths in Poland, according to the BBC. [[European winter storms of 2009–10]] is up to date on UK stuff, but doesn't have the Polish deaths yet. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 23:19, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
:This seems to be affecting most of Europe, for example, the avalanche deaths in Switzerland, most extreme weather since 1963 in Ireland, something in the UK as well apparently. Poland seems to have been hit hardest though. That's a lot of deaths. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 23:31, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''Support''' This seems quite unusual weather conditions, even deaths are too high.--[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'''</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 06:11, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
::: We're short on new items and this one is updated. Could you suggest a blurb? --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 09:37, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
*A new wave of '''[[European winter storms of 2009–10|very cold weather]]''', with [[temperature]]s dropping to −41&nbsp;°C (−42&nbsp;°F), affects much of [[Europe]], killing at least 122 people in [[Poland]].
:modify as necessary ;) [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 10:18, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
:: Posting. Omitting the number in Poland because that was for all the winter. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 10:59, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

====[[pi|π]]====
*<s>Computer scientist [[Fabrice Bellard]] claims that he has computed '''[[pi|π]]''' to almost 2.7&nbsp;trillion digits. [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8442255.stm (BBC)] [http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/science/In-a-record-value-of-Pi-calculated-to-27tn-digits/articleshow/5417977.cms (''The Times of India'')] [http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/6942553/French-scientist-calculates-Pi-to-record-number-of-digits.html (''The Daily Telegraph'')]</s> --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 19:43, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' - really interesting information - [[User:TouLouse|TouLouse]] ([[User talk:TouLouse|talk]]) 20:15, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
::It says: "The prior record of about 2.6 trillion digits was set in August 2009 by Daisuke Takahashi at the University of Tsukuba in Japan". Is this a record that is broken regularly? --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 20:34, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose'''. Tabloid maths. Bellard himself says "Arbitrary-precision arithmetic with huge numbers has little practical use, but some of the involved algorithms are interesting to do other things." Those algorithms have not been published in peer-reviewed journals. To reply to Candlewicke, yes, this is a record that gets broken regularly. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 20:46, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
::Thought so. Cleverly disguised to interest those who don't work in this field. Oppose. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 20:50, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
::::Wow. "Cleverly disguised"? Talk about assumptions of bad faith. [[User:Unitanode|<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-variant:small-caps;color:#999999">Unit</span>]][[User talk:Unitanode|<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-variant:small-caps;color:#63739F">'''''Anode'''''</span>]] 05:44, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Sigh.. Withdraw the nomination. --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 21:20, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
::::For the record, I would have supported this nomination, had it not been withdrawn. [[User:Unitanode|<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-variant:small-caps;color:#999999">Unit</span>]][[User talk:Unitanode|<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-variant:small-caps;color:#63739F">'''''Anode'''''</span>]] 05:49, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::There was no assumption of bad faith intended. I meant that the media have a habit of dressing up events and discoveries like this. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 18:59, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

====[[Dauletabad – Salyp Yar pipeline]]====
* Opened today. It is an important project, regarding energetics and politics. And for a change, Iran-related topic that is not about protests. The article is a bit short but contains the basic information. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 18:33, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
:Yes, it is quite short. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 19:33, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
::The article (4 sentences) or the pipelins (37 miles)?  ~ [[User:DC|DC]] ([[User talk:DC|Talk]]&#124;[[Special:Contributions/DC|Edits]]) 19:37, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support'''. The article is short, but could be improved through Main Page coverage. The subject is notable in global energy markets, and hence geopolitics. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 20:49, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
::I was under the impression that the article was improved ''before'' it reached the Main Page. Or is this an exception? --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 22:09, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
:::As the long as the article says something a bit more than the blurb, I'm OK. We're here to provide information first and foremost. The China high-speed rail link article, for example, was vastly improved during its first six hours on ITN. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 22:23, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
::::I understand what you mean but I thought the article had to be in good condition before it appeared on the Main Page. If it is posted too early another administrator removes it and says it is not ready. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 23:15, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::Our absolute minimum is five sentences and three references ("5/3"), and we have have posted an article in that state quite recently. The guidelines say that the ''update'' should be "5/3", but I'm a little wary of being too pedantic on that criterion '''''if''''' the article says something which isn't in the main media outlets (eg, background information) and if it is clear that it has potential for further expansion. It's pretty rare for an admin to pull a story unless there are complaints on [[WT:ITN]]: it is more usual to have opposes on this page on the basis of poor article quality, but then none of us get our way all the time! I'm still waiting for [[Dongo conflict]] to be posted ;) [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 23:56, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::I'm working on adding to this... (If anyone wants to help, you are very welcome). '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082567">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T♦</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|<span style="color:#FFBF00">Nominate!</span>]]</sup> 02:58, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Spencer have done a good work to expand this article. However, there was not enough substantial information (e.g. technical information, constructors etc) published about this pipeline. I really hope it changes as we have more public coverage now. As of importance, it can't be compered with the Central Asia – China pipeline, which was on the main page just two weeks ago. 6 bcm is not very significant and this is not a totally new direction of Turkmen gas export as there is already link to Iran. Therefore I did not nominate this article when information about the inauguration ceremony became available on Monday. But of course, I have nothing against to publish it on the main page. [[User:Beagel|Beagel]] ([[User talk:Beagel|talk]]) 05:21, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
:: I agree this is not of same importance as the last one but it's still important in the region. And it's been expanded. Everyone fine if this goes up? --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 09:37, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
:::As the hesitations above seem to have been about the article length, and this has now been fixed, I'd say there's no problem with posting this. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 10:42, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
*[[Turkmenistan]] gains a new route to export its [[natural gas]] production with the opening of the '''[[Dauletabad – Salyp Yar pipeline]]'''.
:Probably one more thing we need to clarify before the posting. Previously when the article was created, this pipeline was dominantly referred as the [[Dauletabad – Salyp Yar pipeline]]. Right now it seems that the commonly used name is the [[Dauletabad–Sarakhs–Khangiran pipeline]]. Maybe we should change the name before posting? [[User:Beagel|Beagel]] ([[User talk:Beagel|talk]]) 11:21, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
::Yes, I'd rather change the name before posting, if possible and if [[Dauletabad–Sarakhs–Khangiran pipeline]] is really the more common name now. I know nothing of the issue, so could you move the article and leave a note on the article talk page explaining the move? However, the situation regarding ITN updates is getting critical, so we might to post under [[Dauletabad – Salyp Yar pipeline]] (as it is not 'incorrect') and change later. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 12:12, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

====UDA decomissions====
[http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8442683.stm (BBC)] The [[Ulster Defence Association]], a loyalist group responsible for 400 murders during and after [[The Troubles]] has announced that it has completed the decommissioning of all of its weapons and renounces violence.  The decommissioning has been confirmed by General [[John de Chastelain]] the head of the [[Independent International Commission on Decommissioning]].  The UDA article is probably the main one, but needs updating - [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 14:13, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
:Support when updated. --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 15:09, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' pending update [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 15:50, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Comment''' These articles still need work on them, if anyone has a bit of time and motivation. Some parts of the IICD article have not been updated since May 2006! The UDA has a one sentence update with a single ref: I'm not too bothered about the number of references, but the news story needs to be integrated with the rest of the article. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 10:50, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
::I have updated the UDA and IICD articles (the IICD one was particularly poor), hopefully they are OK now.  Possible blurb: "The [[Ulster loyalism|loyalist]] paramilitary [[Ulster Defence Association]] is confirmed by the [[Independent International Commission on Decommissioning]] to have decommissioned all of its weapons".  It could probably use a link to [[The Troubles]] somewhere and maybe mention Northern Ireland, but it is a start - [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 11:49, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
:::There is a picture of their flag at [[:File:Uda flag.jpg]] which could be used but we have had complaints in the past about featuring symbols of terrorist groups - [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 11:52, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
::::Posting. --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 11:58, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
::::I '''oppose''' this post. Of great importance in the British Isles but would not make much of a dent outside them. [[User:Colipon|Colipon]]+<small>([[User talk:Colipon|Talk]])</small> 14:00, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

====Death of [[Tsutomu Yamaguchi]]====
*The ''only'' person recognized by the Japanese government to have survived the two atomic bombs has died. &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 09:40, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' - I am very tired. Too many people who had died due to natural causes. [[User:TouLouse|TouLouse]] ([[User talk:TouLouse|talk]]) 10:05, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''Oppose''' per above. [[User:Wizardman|<span style="color:#030">'''''Wizardman'''''</span>]] <sub>[[User:Wizardman/Operation Big Bear|<span style="color:#600">Operation Big Bear</span>]]</sub> 15:13, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
:::'''Weak support''' I think he did died of natural causes but didn't he also survived some most unnatural cause. Who could even think of surviving such a double nuclear attack.--[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'''</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 15:23, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' very tabloid like.   ~ [[User:DC|DC]] ([[User talk:DC|Talk]]&#124;[[Special:Contributions/DC|Edits]]) 15:32, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' not very tabloid to survive two atomic bombs and live on for decades. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 17:50, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''', as these are the kinds of stories that normal people poke araound ITN to find. Also, the only person to have survived two atomic bombs passing away is, well, kind of a big deal. [[User:Unitanode|<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-variant:small-caps;color:#999999">Unit</span>]][[User talk:Unitanode|<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-variant:small-caps;color:#63739F">'''''Anode'''''</span>]] 05:53, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''' - if nothing else, he was a real medical phenomenon. And the article is well-written. The story is not only about this man but also about atomic bombs. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 09:37, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support'''. There's absolutely no way that this story could set a precedent, which seems like a good check that it is very unusual. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 10:38, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
*'''[[Tsutomu Yamaguchi]]''', the only person to have [[Hibakusha|survived]] both the [[Atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki|Hiroshima and Nagasaki atomic bombings]], dies of [[stomach cancer]] aged 93.

====[[2010 Bratislava hidden explosives incident and Dublin bomb alert|"We know airport security is a problem when European governments are planting plastic explosives on travellers"]]====
* Suggest: <code> The [[Government of Slovakia]] apologises to the [[Government of Ireland]] after planting explosives on a civilian and '''[[2010 Bratislava hidden explosives incident and Dublin bomb alert|triggering a bomb alert]]''' in [[Dublin]].</code> Or something like that. If it is supported. It has even been compared to [[Northwest Airlines Flight 253|the Detroit incident]] (and involved more explosives). --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 02:29, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
:I'm wary. It's not the first time that tests like this have ended up with explosives taken onto a plane. The crazy thing is that Slovakia didn't tell Ireland about this until after the guy had been arrested… to compare the incident to the recent Detroit attempted bombing is pure hyperbole. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 02:51, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
*'''Weak Oppose''' - not really important - [[User:TouLouse|TouLouse]] ([[User talk:TouLouse|talk]]) 05:58, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per above.  ~ [[User:DC|DC]] ([[User talk:DC|Talk]]&#124;[[Special:Contributions/DC|Edits]]) 06:38, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

====Death of [[Sandro de América|Sandro]]====
* '''[[Sandro de América|Roberto "Sandro" Sanchez]]''', a popular Argentinian singer, died 45 days after having a [[heart transplant]].<small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Fixman|Fixman]] ([[User talk:Fixman|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Fixman|contribs]]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
:Heard about this earlier but thought I wouldn't nominate him since death of politicians hasn't been well-received lately but anyway '''support''' when ready the inclusion of [http://edition.cnn.com/2010/SHOWBIZ/Music/01/04/argentina.sandro.obit/ "Argentina's Elvis"] who is in the news from [http://in.reuters.com/article/entertainmentNews/idINIndia-45147520100105 India] to the [http://www.rnw.nl/english/article/argentinian-elvis-sandro-dies Netherlands], sold millions of records and "He enjoyed international success, twice winning the prestigious Viña del Mar festival in Chile and performing as the first Latin American artist to play to a full house in the legendary Madison Square Garden in New York".  --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 02:56, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''Support''' once the article is expanded a bit. This gentleman really does seem to have been 'someone' in his field. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 03:10, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
:::'''Weak oppose'''. Some of the notes are compelling, but my death criteria is stricter then the recent movement, so it doesn't quite work for me. [[User:Wizardman|<span style="color:#030">'''''Wizardman'''''</span>]] <sub>[[User:Wizardman/Operation Big Bear|<span style="color:#600">Operation Big Bear</span>]]</sub> 04:09, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
::::'''Oppose'''. I'd think that if he really were extraordinarily notable, he'd have more than a few paragraphs in his English Wikipedia article already. I'm sure he is extraordinarily notable to Argentinians, but perhaps only plain old "notable" from the perspective of the English Wikipedia. Note that the "Indian" news source cited above is simply the Indian version of the Reuters website and carries the same material as Reuters websites worldwide; it doesn't indicate there was a separate story written about Sandro in India. Google News finds only a couple hundred English-language hits on the story, a very modest figure. Kudos to Fixman for suggesting it, though. -- [[User:Mwalcoff|Mwalcoff]] ([[User talk:Mwalcoff|talk]]) 04:24, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::'''Oppose''' per above, he wasn't overly notable in the English-speaking world.  ~ [[User:DC|DC]] ([[User talk:DC|Talk]]&#124;[[Special:Contributions/DC|Edits]]) 05:30, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::'''Oppose''' - [[User:TouLouse|TouLouse]] ([[User talk:TouLouse|talk]]) 05:49, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::: Care to give a reason? --[[Special:Contributions/190.226.50.130|190.226.50.130]] ([[User talk:190.226.50.130|talk]]) 17:18, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::::'''Support''' He was extremely notable not only in Argentina, but in all of Latin America, and also he was known around the world. --[[Special:Contributions/190.226.50.130|190.226.50.130]] ([[User talk:190.226.50.130|talk]]) 17:18, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
::: '''Oppose''', the article is simply too short. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 12:47, 7 January 2010 (UTC)


==January 5==
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===ITN candidates for January 5===
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==January 4==
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===ITN candidates for January 4===
====Genocide lawsuit====
[[Serbia]] sues [[Croatia]] for '''[[Croatian Genocide Case|genocide]]''' before the [[International Court of Justice]] with historical account of the [[World War II persecution of Serbs|Holocaust]].

*Main article updated and expanded accordingly. This is important for several reasons, obviously such trials are important themselves but this is also important because Serbia decided to include the crimes committed by the [[Independent State of Croatia]], puppet state of Nazi Germany, and [[Ustaše]] regime during the [[World War II]], it is also important because both sides seek tens of billions of US dollars of war reparations, it is important because this is a new event, taking countries before the court while until now everything regarding [[Yugoslav Wars]] was taken before the [[ICTY]] that dealt with individuals, this could affect the EU neighbor policy which is probably why both sides keep claiming how they want the best neighbourly relations despite the lawsuit, it is also important because the Croatian lawsuit is now activated as well. I think it is enough reasons and they are all significant.--[[User:Avala|Avala]] ([[User talk:Avala|talk]]) 15:07, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
:::I think we need to be meticulously neutral over this case, especially if it is going on the Main Page. We cannot say that Serbia has filed a case against Croatia without mentioning that Croatia had previously filed a case against Serbia. The article title in unsatisfactory in this respect: [[Croatian Genocide Case]], apart from having bad capitalization, is also ambiguous (did the Croatians commit genocide or suffer it?). [[Croatia–Serbia genocide case]] would be more neutral (the order of countries is simply alphabetical). [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 15:42, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
::::Croatia filed it in 1999 , it is a known fact by know I guess and I don't see it being put as "news" on Main Page. "Croatia filed a lawsuit" on a main page now is not the best idea. As for the title, I don't know, to my knowing it was made after [[Bosnian Genocide Case]] and is named Croatian because it happened on territory of Croatia not because it relates to Croatians. As for the question "did the Croatians commit genocide or suffer it?" - that is the whole point of the lawsuits and the International Court of Justice is the one that will give the answer not us.--[[User:Avala|Avala]] ([[User talk:Avala|talk]]) 16:12, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
:A neutral blurb might be:
*[[Serbia]] files lengthy counter-claims against [[Croatia]] in an ongoing '''[[Croatia–Serbia genocide case|genocide case]]''' before the [[International Court of Justice]]. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 15:45, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
**These are not counter-claims during the trial which are usual thing but a new lawsuit, by nature a counter-lawsuit but a lawsuit not claims during the proceedings.--[[User:Avala|Avala]] ([[User talk:Avala|talk]]) 16:12, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

:The court hasn't ruled if these World War II accounts are even admissible. Any such crimes aren't part of the actual charges anyway, so Avala's blurb is misleading. Physchim62's blurb sounds fine. But I'm not exactly sure what makes an international lawsuit "lengthy" or not. :)--[[User:Thewanderer|Thewanderer]] ([[User talk:Thewanderer|talk]]) 16:00, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
::The court hasn't ruled on much of anything (just that it has the jurisdiction) because they usually don't do that when lawsuits are filed but verdicts are made ;) It's the right of every party to include whatever they want in the lawsuit and then in some time when the verdict is made we will know what was found to be admissible and what was not. The ICJ is not a regular court, where for each evidence the court says it's OK or not, here the lawsuits are filed as a huge pile of papers and then all sides are given a chance to hold a speech in front of the judges and then they make a decision. There is no need to call it lengthy because each ICJ lawsuit is like that because of the specific nature of the proceedings.--[[User:Avala|Avala]] ([[User talk:Avala|talk]]) 16:12, 4 January 2010 (UTC)


:: I believe it is too early to put this on ITN. Usually, trials go up when there is a verdict. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 16:13, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
::: Not entirely true, we had [[Omar al-Bashir]] on, plus I said why this specific case is important even before the verdict.--[[User:Avala|Avala]] ([[User talk:Avala|talk]]) 16:16, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
:::: Bashir was a special case because the conflict in Darfur is ongoing and he's the head of state in the present while this case is about something that happened around 15 years ago. Not to mention that WW2 events probably are not admissible. However, if they are acknowledged in a verdict, I will support then. Before, not. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 19:11, 4 January 2010 (UTC) 

::Avala's proposed blurb is unacceptable to me because it only recounts the Serbian claims against Croatia, while not mentioning the Croatian claims against Serbia. As I mentioned above, we should be strictly neutral as to who is right and who is wrong, especially as it is well known that there were bastards on both sides, as well as a much larger number of innocent victims on both sides. This is not the trial of a person, it is a diplomatic dispute: we usually post dipolamtic disputes when there is a significant development. If NPoV can be maintained, I would support this story. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 17:21, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Even though I said that I don't see it necessary to mention a ten year old news on the main page, I made a second proposal that outlines that the case is ongoing. I hope it is a compromise solution that we are looking for and that it is satisfactory for you:

*[[Serbia]] files a genocide lawsuit against [[Croatia]], with historical account of the [[World War II persecution of Serbs|Holocaust]], in an ongoing '''[[Croatian Genocide Case|case]]''' before the [[International Court of Justice|ICJ]].

or if you really insist on mentioning Croatian lawsuit
*[[Serbia]] files a counter lawsuit against [[Croatia]] for genocide, with historical account of the [[World War II persecution of Serbs|Holocaust]], in an ongoing '''[[Croatian Genocide Case|case]]''' before the [[International Court of Justice|ICJ]].

I hope you agree to one these two. What do you say?--[[User:Avala|Avala]] ([[User talk:Avala|talk]]) 16:12, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
:I say try removing the reference to the Holocaust, because it simply comes across as PoV pushing otherwise. Remember [[Godwin's law]]! [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 18:01, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
::I think it will not be newsworthy if we remove the reference on that because that is what makes it interesting. We are not saying that Croatia or Serbia is guilty (or Omar al-Bashir when we mention charges againt him), we are saying clear and square - Serbia filed a lawsuit for that and that and it is part of an ongoing process where Croatia also sued Serbia. There is no PoV in facts. And please don't mention the Godwin's law as this lawsuit didn't arise from the online discussion but from real events. Packing up Holocaust as another product of online bickering based on Godwin's law is not the best thing we can do as responsible and historically aware human beings. Holocaust is an indisputable fact, and in this case the ICJ is called to decide if it is related to the events from the 1990s. It's a completely different issue if we don't like the facts but reporting on them shouldn't be mixed with feelings. I gave three proposals so far and it's impossible you don't like any of them if you really want for this to be mentioned on the ITN, as you claim. Please choose one of the proposals and don't diminish the Holocaust by mentioning Godwin's law as Godwin's law is not something that relates to it but to online petty fights.--[[User:Avala|Avala]] ([[User talk:Avala|talk]]) 18:18, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Keep in mind anyone can sue anyone for anything. The filing of a lawsuit, even in an international court, doesn't really mean anything -- it's the result that counts (although in the case of the ICJ, even the result doesn't necessarily have a real impact). -- [[User:Mwalcoff|Mwalcoff]] ([[User talk:Mwalcoff|talk]]) 03:09, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
::::That is true but we have a precedent on reporting on it. Oh and the ICJ very much counts, especially if one side is told to pay billions of dollars to the other side.--[[User:Avala|Avala]] ([[User talk:Avala|talk]]) 09:35, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::I agree with Mwalcoff, don't we normally just post the results of cases? - [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 13:46, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

'''OK since we can't come to an agreement what text should go up will an admin please decide and put one of the versions or something fourth up on the main page as we seem to agree that this is newsworthy (just can't agree on the text and the time is flowing)? Thank you.'''--[[User:Avala|Avala]] ([[User talk:Avala|talk]]) 09:35, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

:'''Strong oppose'''. We only ever feature the ''results'' of court cases. If and when someone is found guilty of genocide, I'll support. Merely starting legal proceedings is not enough. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 17:10, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''Support'''. This is big politics. Of course any considerations which we should apply to criminal charges being pressed against indivduals should be disregarded with respect to a case such as this one. I certainly think we ought to present this as soon as possible and there appears to be a consensus to do so. __[[User:Meco|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco|talk]]) 20:25, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per modest genius, let's wait til the legal proceedings wrap up.  ~ [[User:DC|DC]] ([[User talk:DC|Talk]]&#124;[[Special:Contributions/DC|Edits]]) 05:36, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Modest Genius, thanks for "reading" through the discussion and all of the explanations why this case is important even as the case not just for the result and on the '''precedent''' to include lawsuits and not only results on the MP. I mean it really feels nice that after going through an effort of discussing one thing into detail, somebody else comes and mentions that one thing with an obvious lack of knowledge of the previous discussion shown through the disregard and ignorance of those details. I really like when someone appreciates other peoples' hard work so much.--[[User:Avala|Avala]] ([[User talk:Avala|talk]]) 09:54, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
:Thanks for being [[WP:CIVIL|civil]] and [[WP:AGF|assuming good faith]]. As it happens, I ''did'' read the full discussion above. I simply don't think we should have listed the [[Omar al-Bashir]] case either. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 16:16, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

====Burj Dubai====
[[Burj Dubai]] opens as the [[List of tallest buildings in the world|tallest building in the world]] after its initial opening date was postponed. [http://abcnews.go.com/Travel/wireStory?id=8995743] [[User:Arsonal|Arsonal]] ([[User talk:Arsonal|talk]]) 15:35, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
*The following is moved from the original post at December 2 2009:
The '''[[Burj Dubai]]''', the [[List of tallest buildings and structures in the world|tallest man-made structure]] ever built, is to be completed in [[Dubai]], [[United Arab Emirates]]. [http://www.arabianbusiness.com/563236-exclusive-burj-dubai-to-open-on-dec-2] --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 03:03, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
:Delayed to January 4. [http://abcnews.go.com/Travel/wireStory?id=8995743] [[User:Arsonal|Arsonal]] ([[User talk:Arsonal|talk]]) 15:32, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
::'''Support''' - [[User:TouLouse|TouLouse]] ([[User talk:TouLouse|talk]]) 11:45, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
::'''Support''' [[User:Nirvana888|Nirvana888]] ([[User talk:Nirvana888|talk]]) 16:50, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
::'''Support'''. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 21:35, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
::'''Support''' [[User:Bob bobato|theBOBbobato]] ([[User talk:Bob bobato|talk]]) 17:58, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''Support''' [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJMitchell'''</font>]]  [[User_Talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">You rang? </font>]]  02:47, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''Support''' [[w:User:Ks0stm|<b style="color:#009900;">Ks0stm</b>]] <sup>([[User talk:Ks0stm|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Ks0stm|C]]•[[User:Ks0stm/Guestbook|G]])</sup> 03:38, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''Support''' [[User:Sagittarian Milky Way|Sagittarian Milky Way]] ([[User talk:Sagittarian Milky Way|talk]]) 04:34, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''Support''' Post it already. [[Special:Contributions/130.115.76.0|130.115.76.0]] ([[User talk:130.115.76.0|talk]]) 05:26, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
:::I think it is best if we wait for the official opening ceremony later today. --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 07:38, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
::::'''Support''' I agree your majesty, we should wait till the official ceremony.--[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'''</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 08:32, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::For those who are wondering, the opening ceremony begins at 20:00 local time (16:00 [[UTC]]). [http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jyqlKn7DrDqGugLvn5BqyXhKHOLQ] [[User:Arsonal|Arsonal]] ([[User talk:Arsonal|talk]]) 12:12, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
::Wait for the official ceremony and '''support'''. [[User:M.K|M.K.]] ([[User talk:M.K|talk]]) 09:13, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''Support''' ''once it's officially open'': this tory has already been delayed twice, so let's get it right when we do post it! [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 11:19, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''Support''' Significant event and I'd exclude info on postponement.--[[User:Avala|Avala]] ([[User talk:Avala|talk]]) 15:07, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Definately. One would think the height (818&nbsp;m/2,684&nbsp;ft) would be more important than the postponement. [[User:Sagittarian Milky Way|Sagittarian Milky Way]] ([[User talk:Sagittarian Milky Way|talk]]) 16:26, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
::::Though it seems we have a naming issue. It's called Dubai on the Main Page and Khalifa in the article. Someone should look into this.--[[User:Avala|Avala]] ([[User talk:Avala|talk]]) 16:51, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

====Kepler Mission Results====
[[Exoplanets]]: The first of the new [[Kepler mission]] results will be announced on January 4, 2010 at the [[American Astronomical Society]] meeting at the [[Marriott Wardman Park|Marriott Wardman Park Hotel]] in [[Washington, D.C.]]<ref>[http://aas.org/meetings/aas215 215th AAS Meeting]</ref>  A presentation by William J. Borucki titled "Kepler Planet Detection Mission: Introduction and First Results", will be held from 8:30am-9:20am in the Marriott Ballroom.<ref>[http://aas.org/files/DC%20Block%20Program%20for%20215th%20Website%2023%20December.pdf Schedule of the 215th AAS Meeting]</ref>  According to Borucki's abstract, "During the first month of operation, the photometer detected transit-like signatures from over 100 stars. Careful examination of these events shows many of them to be false-positives such as background eclipsing binaries. However ground-based follow up observations confirm the discovery of exoplanets with sizes ranging from 0.6 Rj to 1.5Rj and orbital periods ranging from 3 to 9 days."<ref>[http://aas.org/node/651 AAS Meeting Program and Block Schedule] - click the itinerary builder to get to the abstracts - direct URL links don't work</ref> The meeting will also include several other presentations by the Kepler team throughout the day, including [[astrometry|astrometric]] results:"The Kepler Mission was not designed to obtain high precision astrometric measurements, but the excellent design of the photometer enables such analysis." [[Special:Contributions/86.147.42.244|86.147.42.244]] ([[User talk:86.147.42.244|talk]]) 14:11, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
:Of course need to wait until after the announcements to see what they are going to say, but at the very least expect this to be the biggest haul of planets announced in one day. [[Special:Contributions/86.147.42.244|86.147.42.244]] ([[User talk:86.147.42.244|talk]]) 14:14, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
::There will be a news briefing<ref>[http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/kepler/main/index.html Kepler News]</ref> at 10 a.m. PST (1 p.m. EST) with a live web feed<ref>[http://www.showmaestro.com/press/ Kepler News live web feed]</ref> and the slides for the briefing will be available online.<ref>[http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/kepler/multimedia/images/aas_conference.html Kepler News Slides]</ref> [[Special:Contributions/86.149.232.118|86.149.232.118]] ([[User talk:86.149.232.118|talk]]) 14:44, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

:::'''Oppose'''. We feature far too much stuff about space on ITN wihtout due regard to it s greater significance. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJMitchell'''</font>]]  [[User_Talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">You rang? </font>]]  02:49, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

::::'''Oppose'''. This is just a conference abstract. If any of the planets turn out to be particularly unusual, and ''when'' they are published in a peer reviewed journal, ''then'' we can feature one or more of them. Atm, this isn't good enough. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 12:33, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

::Only 5 planets were announced, but one of them [[Kepler-7b]] is the least dense planet found yet. [[Special:Contributions/86.145.191.48|86.145.191.48]] ([[User talk:86.145.191.48|talk]]) 14:14, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

:::Certainly interesting to us astronomers, but I don't think that's ITN material, and even if it was, we should wait for the journal article. In addition, the article won't be able to grow beyond a few sentences without more information being released. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 01:18, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

====Chinese winter storm====
See [http://news.google.ca/news/more?pz=1&cf=all&ned=ca&ncl=d595QGwjysdkObMQDG_n3815cJl2M&topic=w no reason] this should not be posted if both European and American snow storms earlier were. Having experienced both EU and Chinese snowstorms this year I can say they had effects of similar proportions, or this one is actually bigger.  People are trapped in trains, school is cancelled, [http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE60204B20100104 90% of flights delayed and cancelled etc.] [[User:Colipon|Colipon]]+<small>([[User talk:Colipon|Talk]])</small> 05:30, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
:We need an article (or an update) before we can post, but I'm leaning towards support based on your short description. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 17:25, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''Support''' when it is ready. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 19:35, 4 January 2010 (UTC)


==January 3==
{{Portal:Current events/2010 January 3}}
===ITN candidates for January 3===
====US, UK and France close embassies====
[http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0103/yemen.html The US embassy in Yemen has closed in response to threats by al-Qaeda and has instructed its Yemeni employees to stay away until further notice.] <small> <span style="border:2px solid #000;padding:1px;">&nbsp;[[User:Cargoking|<span style="color:#000080;">'''Cargoking'''</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Cargoking|<span style="color:#f9f9f9;background:#000000;">&nbsp;talk&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 11:39, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
:[[United States – Yemen relations#Closure of American Embassy in 2010|Updated]]. Any supports, blurbs? <small> <span style="border:2px solid #000;padding:1px;">&nbsp;[[User:Cargoking|<span style="color:#000080;">'''Cargoking'''</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Cargoking|<span style="color:#f9f9f9;background:#000000;">&nbsp;talk&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 12:08, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
::Don't know if this will get any support considering the reaction to the CIA attack in Afghanistan... --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 12:20, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
:::This is different. Also, embassy related things have been [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:In_the_news&diff=next&oldid=275625467 featured] before. <small> <span style="border:2px solid #000;padding:1px;">&nbsp;[[User:Cargoking|<span style="color:#000080;">'''Cargoking'''</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Cargoking|<span style="color:#f9f9f9;background:#000000;">&nbsp;talk&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 12:24, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
::::[http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/UK-And-US-Embassies-In-Yemen-Closed-As-UK-And-America-Unite-To-Tackle-Terrorism-In-Gulf-State/Article/201001115513344?lpos=World_News_Carousel_Region_0&lid=ARTICLE_15513344_UK_And_US_Embassies_In_Yemen_Closed_As_UK_And_America_Unite_To_Tackle_Terrorism_In_Gulf_State UK Embassy Now.] This is spreading. <small> <span style="border:2px solid #000;padding:1px;">&nbsp;[[User:Cargoking|<span style="color:#000080;">'''Cargoking'''</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Cargoking|<span style="color:#f9f9f9;background:#000000;">&nbsp;talk&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 13:09, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''Neutral'''. Temporary embassy closures are not common events, and the Mauritania story last March got a respectable [http://stats.grok.se/en/200903/Foreign%20relations%20of%20Mauritania 14.8k hits peak] as a result of being on ITN. The update meets the minimum requirements, but I'm a little bit worried that there is no more to say about this story beyond what is already in the update. My gut feeling is that we're short-changing our readers a little bit with this story, which is why I'm not quite supporting. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 13:20, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
:::If diplomatic ties are formally severed, I'll support as important international relations news. If this is just a temporary closure, I'm leaning towards oppose. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 14:22, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
::::I don't think there is any suggestion of breaking diplomatic relations – quite the reverse, according to the Spanish press, which reports a joint US–UK initiative to support the Yemeni security forces (police and coast guard in particular). The embassy closures are security measures to protect embassy staff. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 22:38, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
:::'''<s>Neutral leaning towards </s>{{small|France's closure works for me.}} Support'''. It's interesting, but it doesn't seem that significant to me. However, I'll support unconditionally if this spreads and other countries (especially UN Security Council members) start closing embassies. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJMitchell'''</font>]]  [[User_Talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">You rang? </font>]]  20:19, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
::::[http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/france-closes-embassy-in-yemen/article1417931/ France.] <small> <span style="border:2px solid #000;padding:1px;">&nbsp;[[User:Cargoking|<span style="color:#000080;">'''Cargoking'''</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Cargoking|<span style="color:#f9f9f9;background:#000000;">&nbsp;talk&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 13:40, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
::If people are going to support, we need to have an update that does justice to the story: [[Foreign relations of Yemen]] would be the obvious place, but this article hardly mentions the current (alledged) terrorist activity at all. Still neutral, until I can see how this is going to pan out, oppose any story that only covers the U.S.&nbsp;embassy closure. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 16:05, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
:::[[Foreign relations of Yemen#2010 Embassy Closures|Updated]] suggested article. Feel free to expand. <small> <span style="border:2px solid #000;padding:1px;">&nbsp;[[User:Cargoking|<span style="color:#000080;">'''Cargoking'''</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Cargoking|<span style="color:#f9f9f9;background:#000000;">&nbsp;talk&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 16:34, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
::::A well-worded blurb please? --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 21:04, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::"Several nations '''[[Foreign relations of Yemen#2010 Embassy Closures|close]]''' their embassies in [[Yemen]] in response to threats by [[al-Qaeda]]." [[w:User:Ks0stm|<b style="color:#009900;">Ks0stm</b>]] <sup>([[User talk:Ks0stm|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Ks0stm|C]]•[[User:Ks0stm/Guestbook|G]])</sup> 21:18, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::Thanks but I think it is better if we mention the names. --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 21:22, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
There are now too many countries to list them all, especially as we don't like too many links on ITN pieces. Compare these three examples:
*Several countries, including three [[United Nations Security Council|permanent members of the United Nations Security Council]], '''[[Foreign relations of Yemen#2010 Embassy Closures|close their embassies]]''' in [[Yemen]].
*Several countries, including [[France]], the [[United Kingdom]], and the [[United States]], '''[[Foreign relations of Yemen#2010 Embassy Closures|close their embassies]]''' in [[Yemen]].
*[[France]], the [[United Kingdom]], and the [[United States]], among other countries, '''[[Foreign relations of Yemen#2010 Embassy Closures|close their embassies]]''' in [[Yemen]].
What's the hook on this? The number of countries or the Al-Quaeda threat? [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 21:51, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
:The hook should be the al-Qaeda threat, in my opinion. I believe we tend to overemphasize diplomatic news on ITN because of the mistaken belief that the "international-ness" of items make them more newsworthy. The real "news hook" here is that the group that carried out terrorist attacks in the U.S. and Europe may have found a haven. -- [[User:Mwalcoff|Mwalcoff]] ([[User talk:Mwalcoff|talk]]) 00:50, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
::Err, no, it's that they've issued specific threats. al-Qaeda has been in Yemen for years, it's only since Christmas that people have started paying attention. yay kneejerk reactions! I'm still '''neutral''' on this. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 01:25, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''Support''' mentioning both, like "Several countries, including [[France]], the [[United Kingdom]], and the [[United States]], '''[[Foreign relations of Yemen#2010 Embassy Closures|close their embassies]]''' in [[Yemen]] in response to threats by [[al-Qaeda]]." '''[[User:Grsz11|<span style="color:black;">Grsz</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Grsz11|<b><span style="color:red;">11</span></b>]]</sup>''' 00:54, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
:::'''Support''' the situation in Yemen is of high significance internationally, and three world powers closing embassies, even temporarily,  is ITN worthy. ~ [[User:DC|DC]] ([[User talk:DC|Talk]]&#124;[[Special:Contributions/DC|Edits]]) 01:39, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
::::'''Support'''. I added more about the Italian and Czech Republic embassies, which are also changing accesssability. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082567">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T♦</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|<span style="color:#FFBF00">Nominate!</span>]]</sup>  03:03, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::Posting soon. --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 05:45, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::The embassy of the US is now reopen [http://online.wsj.com/article/SB126267927485416197.html?mod=googlenews_wsj].--[[User:Avala|Avala]] ([[User talk:Avala|talk]]) 09:32, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

====China diesel spill====
[http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/8438362.stm (BBC)] A construction accident has caused the release of 150,000 litres of diesel from a [[China National Petroleum Corporation]] pipeline into the [[Wei River]] (a tributary of the [[Yellow River]]) in [[Shaanxi]] province, [[China]].  Around 700 emergency personnel are battling to stop the pollution reaching the Yellow River, a drinking water source for millions of people.  No sign of an article yet - [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 16:40, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
:''Comment'' this is on a similar scale to the [[2005 Jilin chemical plant explosions]], so ''a priori'' significant. However, the accident happened on 30 December and there's no article and precious little in the way of hard facts to write one, so I think it will probably drop off the ITN timescale. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 02:21, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
::It reached the Yellow River today, so something new happened. [[User:Sagittarian Milky Way|Sagittarian Milky Way]] ([[User talk:Sagittarian Milky Way|talk]]) 14:26, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Here's an article - [[Yellow River oil spill]]; help in expanding this is welcome and appreciated. :)  --[[User:Zvn|Zvn]] ([[User talk:Zvn|talk]])  15:02, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support'''. The current article is short, but meets minimum standards and can be improved. That will do for me! [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 21:57, 4 January 2010 (UTC)


==January 2==
{{Portal:Current events/2010 January 2}}
===ITN candidates for January 2===
====MV Asian Glory====
[http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/feedarticle/8881261] [http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-01-02/somali-pirates-hijack-u-k-flagged-ship-fourth-vessel-in-week.html] [http://www.zeenews.com/news592097.html]
* The UK flagged car transport ship '''[[MV Asian Glory]]''' was hijacked off the Somali coast.
:Suggesting this due to the high profile nature of the hijacking.  [[User:Mifter|Mifter]] ([[User talk:Mifter|talk]]) 18:08, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''Oppose''', Somali hijackings are common. The only reason this is in the UK news is because it is a UK-flagged vessel. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 00:19, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
:*'''Oppose''' for now.  Though this story could definitely develop into more, right now it's just a Somali hijacking, entirely too common lately. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 02:51, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

====Dubai to open world's tallest building====
[http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100101/ts_afp/uaedubaiarchitecturetower_20100101182045 Yahoo], this is going to be on monday informing in advance.--[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'''</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 12:31, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
:Unnecessary. It is already [[Wikipedia:In_the_news/Future_events/2010#January_4|here]]. --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 14:25, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''Support'''. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 00:53, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
:::I can see no reason why this ''shouldn't'' be posted. [[w:User:Ks0stm|<b style="color:#009900;">Ks0stm</b>]] <sup>([[User talk:Ks0stm|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Ks0stm|C]]•[[User:Ks0stm/Guestbook|G]])</sup> 01:11, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
::::Sorry I didn't read that, thanks for pointing Your majesty. Will be careful next time ;)--[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'''</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 05:34, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::Just a note to remind people: events that will happen in the future can be posted to [[WP:ITN/FE]]. They then get automagically nominated on the appropriate day (assuming someone remembers to check ITN/FE, which they usually do). [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 12:23, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
:: Any chance we put the image in the way that it covers the whole right part of the ITN box? Given that the skyscraper is very tall so that the picture will be likewise. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 21:23, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
:::You can try recropping the [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/archive/5/58/20090921221702!Burj_Dubai_20090916.jpg original photo] so that the proportions aren't too extreme. [[User:Arsonal|Arsonal]] ([[User talk:Arsonal|talk]]) 21:33, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
::::Here are also two more recent photos from the Commons with better proportions: [[:File:Burj Dubai-Dubai3214.JPG|(1)]], [[:File:Burj Dubai-Dubai3232.JPG|(2)]]. [[User:Arsonal|Arsonal]] ([[User talk:Arsonal|talk]]) 21:46, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

====Youngest-ever chess world number one====
*19-year-old Norwegian [[chess]] grandmaster '''[[Magnus Carlsen]]''' is confirmed as the youngest-ever world number one in the official January 2010 [[FIDE]] rating list.
:Suggesting this, as I've updated the article and referenced and included the latest news articles on this, including the following: [http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE5BT17H20091230 (Reuters)] [http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1948809,00.html (TIME)] [http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5g1QmAdxADzyQCWyLLzs2N63owZEA (AFP)] [http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=6027 (Chessbase)]. The latter is one of the main chess news websites, but this has received coverage in the mainstream press as well. The article has freely-licensed pictures as well, if needed. [[User:Carcharoth|Carcharoth]] ([[User talk:Carcharoth|talk]]) 10:16, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''Support''', significant record breaking, of interest even to those who don't play chess. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 13:21, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Leaning towards support. Any objections? --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 14:26, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
::::Does age count? <small> <span style="border:2px solid #000;padding:1px;">&nbsp;[[User:Cargoking|<span style="color:#000080;">'''Cargoking'''</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Cargoking|<span style="color:#f9f9f9;background:#000000;">&nbsp;talk&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 14:47, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::'''Support'''. [[w:User:Ks0stm|<b style="color:#009900;">Ks0stm</b>]] <sup>([[User talk:Ks0stm|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Ks0stm|C]]•[[User:Ks0stm/Guestbook|G]])</sup> 18:34, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::'''Support'''. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 20:22, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::::'''Support''' [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 02:55, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
:Posting. --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 03:32, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

====Afghanistan attack deadliest on CIA====
I think no one has mentioned this, reported death toll now stands somewhere around 8 ( in actual terms it might be around 2).[http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/news/world/07-afghanistan-attack-deadliest-on-cia-ha-03 Afghanistan attack deadliest on CIA=] and [http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/the-newspaper/front-page/ttp-owns-attack-on-khost-base-210 TTP owns attack on Khost base].--[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'''</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 06:19, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
:This one had more deaths than the Espoo shooting. But it's in Afghanistan and those who died were Americans so... &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 06:28, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
::Yes but it's was no ordinary attack the worst ever for the CIA, an agency which is know world over.--[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'''</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 09:38, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
:::'''Oppose'''. It's a war zone. Several Westerners die each day, let alone the Afghan casualties. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 13:23, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Strong oppose'''. I find it almost offensive that we should be comparing the deaths of CIA operatives in Afghanistan with the deaths of supermarket employees in a Helsinki suburb! IMHO, we shouldn't have posted the Helsinki shooting, let alone this attack. As for the thinly veiled pre-accusations of "anti-Americanism", I notice that nobody has had a word for the five Canadians (four soldiers and a journalist) killed in [[Kandahar Province]], '''[[Afghanistan]]''' the very same day, who also had mothers and fathers, friends and colleagues — surely were are more at risk of '''''pro'''''-Americanism, given current nominations. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 19:15, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''Support'''. Don't understand the logic of opposing this. '''Support''' for the Canadians also, perhaps combine the two, would that help? --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 20:32, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
:::'''Oppose''' American deaths. '''Neutral''' if Canadians are included. It is a war, and people die all the time. The death toll is small compared to something like that volleyball suicide bomb item this week. --[[User:Plasma Twa 2|<span style="color:#FF0000;">Plasma</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Plasma Twa 2|<span style="color:#FFFFFF;">Twa</span>]][[User talk:Plasma Twa 2|<span style="color:#FF0000;">2</span>]] 21:35, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
::::'''Neutral now'''. The event is now three to four days old. I would have supported it had it been nominated earlier, as the [[Forward_Operating_Base_Chapman_attack|article]] is a good example of quality Wikipedia content. While it's true that six deaths (tragically) is not that many for this conflict, this was "the most lethal attack against the CIA in more than 25 years," according to the article. -- [[User:Mwalcoff|Mwalcoff]] ([[User talk:Mwalcoff|talk]]) 23:25, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
:::'''Oppose'''. Sadly this is far from a unique event in Afghanistan. Besides, it's not news any more. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJMitchell'''</font>]]  [[User_Talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">You rang? </font>]]  23:53, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
::::Comment, This is first time IMHO, the war has really being fought on equal terms. Killing 700 people ([http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/news/pakistan/18-over-700-killed-in-44-drone-strikes-in-2009-am-01 90 percent of them civilians] ) without a single causality of your own was just like playing any other computer game. Anyway in coming days we might see more of this type of news. We can combine it with the Canadians deaths.--[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'''</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 05:45, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
::::: it is also the first time in history IMHO a country will be destroyed by [[Drone attacks in Pakistan]].  wait till India joins NATO and Americans realize that the best Army to defeat Pakistanis is Indian. another job that can be outsourced ;-)[[User:Wikireader41|Wikireader41]] ([[User talk:Wikireader41|talk]]) 21:22, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

====Teenage depression====
A study (published in a peer-reviewed journal) suggests that teenagers with late bedtimes are more prone to depression. Of interest to our readers? (asks this non-teenage editor at 2am local time) I'm not sure what the article to update would be. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 02:03, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
:Interesting to me, because I'm a teenager, yes. Interesting to parents of teenagers, yes. Interesting to everyone else, I doubt it. [[w:User:Ks0stm|<b style="color:#009900;">Ks0stm</b>]] <sup>([[User talk:Ks0stm|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Ks0stm|C]]•[[User:Ks0stm/Guestbook|G]])</sup> 02:45, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
::Well, between teenagers, parents and grandparents, that covers about half our editors and probably more than half our readers! The SINKYs, DINKYs and OBITONs can put up with it. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 03:03, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Where is the study's article? <small> <span style="border:2px solid #000;padding:1px;">&nbsp;[[User:Cargoking|<span style="color:#000080;">'''Cargoking'''</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Cargoking|<span style="color:#f9f9f9;background:#000000;">&nbsp;talk&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 12:32, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
::::Which study? Reference please. Which article has been updated? Also, [[correlation does not imply causality]]; unless this is comprehensively addressed in the study I don't think we should post it. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 13:31, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::[http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8435955.stm Is this it?] <small> <span style="border:2px solid #000;padding:1px;">&nbsp;[[User:Cargoking|<span style="color:#000080;">'''Cargoking'''</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Cargoking|<span style="color:#f9f9f9;background:#000000;">&nbsp;talk&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 13:57, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::Yep. The [[P:CE]] link is under 1 January, as that was the date of publication. The reference to the study is there (the ''Sleep'' link, that is the name of the journal). I am looking for suggestions for the best article to update, as I don't think the study deserves an article on it's own – I am more than willing to update an article, but I'd like a bit of feedback first! In terms of correlation-and-cause, the study neatly side-stepped the problem by looking at parental set bedtimes (as opposed to trying to figure out how much sleep teenagers actually got). This obviously can't factor out other social influences (eg, bad parents set bad bedtimes), but the study still seems to be more scientific than most of the "how to educate your teenager" rubbish, and might even be notable just for that! [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 19:25, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::The story is currently on the [http://news.bbc.co.uk/ BBC News Main Page], although that might say more about the UK than anything else ;) [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 20:11, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::::'''Comment''' Have we ever put up the result of a study on ITN before? --[[User:Plasma Twa 2|<span style="color:#FF0000;">Plasma</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Plasma Twa 2|<span style="color:#FFFFFF;">Twa</span>]][[User talk:Plasma Twa 2|<span style="color:#FF0000;">2</span>]] 21:36, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Plenty of scientific papers, particularly those announcing the discoveries of planets, dinosaur species and early humans. I can't remember a medical study off the top of my head; it's entirely possible though. As for the BBC news listing, it's still slow news time, there hasn't been much since Christmas (a combination of lack of news and staff being away). Bizarrely, whilst it ''is'' listed on their front page, it's the 'Americas' entry, below the fold. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 00:24, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

====Rio mudslides====
About 50 people killed in two days. [http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/8437207.stm (BBC)] Dunno if there's an article yet, but that seems like quite a lot for a natural disaster. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 02:03, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support'''. Yes this is a lot. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 04:56, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''Support'''I think we should feature this.--[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'''</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 12:29, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
:::There is an inadequate stub at [[2010 Rio de Janeiro floods and mudslides]] that I shall try to expand if I can this evening (travel commitments mean that I'm currently at 32 hours without real sleep). [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 19:29, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
::::'''Strong support''' when it is expanded. [[User:Nirvana888|Nirvana888]] ([[User talk:Nirvana888|talk]]) 01:16, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::Oppose given the current state of article, but if it's in better shape then I'll retract my oppose. [[User:Wizardman|<span style="color:#030">'''''Wizardman'''''</span>]] <sub>[[User:Wizardman/Operation Big Bear|<span style="color:#600">Operation Big Bear</span>]]</sub> 01:31, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::'''Update please'''  Somebody please update it.--[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'''</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 05:47, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
:I'm having inspiration failure on this article, so all help is welcome, even if it now meets our minimum standards. Death toll now at 70. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 01:54, 4 January 2010 (UTC)


==January 1==
{{Portal:Current events/2010 January 1}}
===ITN candidates for January 1===
====Judge drops Blackwater case====
*A US judge drops a case against [[Blackwater Worldwide]] contractors accused of [[Blackwater Baghdad shootings|killing 17 Iraqi civilians]]. Causing outrage in Iraq. ([http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/02/us/02blackwater.html NY Times], [http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/iraq-outraged-as-blackwater-case-is-dropped-1855401.html The Independent]). '''[[User:Grsz11|<span style="color:black;">Grsz</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Grsz11|<b><span style="color:red;">11</span></b>]]</sup>''' 00:51, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
**The shooting incident had big international ramifications: the UN ruled the contractors were the same as mercenaries, and as such, illegal under interntional law; Blackwater was kicked out of Iraq; they went into damage control, changing their name from Blackwater USA to Blackwater Internation, and now go by Xe Services; Congress passed laws making contractors liable in US court. '''[[User:Grsz11|<span style="color:black;">Grsz</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Grsz11|<b><span style="color:red;">11</span></b>]]</sup>''' 00:57, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Unfortunately, it's not unusual to have charges dropped over murders committed in wartime situations. I don't think there's anything special about this being a U.S. case, as the same thing could have happened (and has happened with depressing regularity) in other countries. A conviction would have been ITN-worthy, success in the civil case might still be ITN-worthy but, for the moment, '''oppose'''. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 01:49, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

====Devil facial tumour disease====
*Researchers announce that the likely origin of '''[[devil facial tumour disease]]''', a [[transmissible cancer]] which has caused the population of [[Tasmanian devil]]s to collapse by 60% in the past decade, is [[Schwann cell]]s. [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8433645.stm (BBC)] [http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1950787,00.html?xid=rss-topstories (''Time'')] [http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/01/science/01devil.html (''New York Times)''] [http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/short/327/5961/84/ ''(Science)''] Interesting research on a rare disease, I think. Any comments? The article will have to be updated first, of course. --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 02:00, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
::I'll '''Support'''. That's very interesting, newsworthy (especially given the decline in population) and it would be nice to have a story that's not necessarily bad news on ITN! [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJMitchell'''</font>]]  [[User_Talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">You rang? </font>]]  02:34, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''Strong support'''. I was thinking of this one myself, but I wondered if it were too obscure even for me to propose! :P If other people like it, I'm fine with it. I'll see if I can start an update before I have to fly back to Spain in a few hours. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 02:38, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
:::'''Support'''. This sounds like a good discovery for all Tasmanian devils around the world, probably the best news they've had for some time. Hopefully they can go on from here to find a cure for them. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 05:05, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
::::Updated, posting soon. --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 06:02, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::'''Support''' Yes a major discovery I think, it has already caused a large damage to this beautiful creature.--[[User:yousaf465|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#9B30FF">'''yousaf465'''</span>]][[User talk:yousaf|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:#63B8FF"></span>]] 06:12, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

====Volleyball suicide bomb====
[http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0101/pakistan.html 88 people have been killed after a suspected suicide bomb attack at a volleyball match.] I think this is particularly sad. <small> <span style="border:2px solid #000;padding:1px;">&nbsp;[[User:Cargoking|<span style="color:#000080;">'''Cargoking'''</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Cargoking|<span style="color:#f9f9f9;background:#000000;">&nbsp;talk&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 22:16, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support'''. 88 is a lot of people and I honestly think we've been under-reporting the violence that's going in Pakistan/Afghanistan of late. I'll start an article- unless you want to, Cargoking? [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJMitchell'''</font>]]  [[User_Talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">You rang? </font>]]  22:23, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
:: '''Support'''.  I have started the article [[January 2010 North-West Frontier Province bombing]]. [[User:Wikireader41|Wikireader41]] ([[User talk:Wikireader41|talk]]) 22:30, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
:::'''Support'''. The "20 houses destroyed" does it for me: this is a big attack, even by Pakistan/Afghanistan standards. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 22:41, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Note'''. I'm suggesting moving the article to [[2010 Lakki Marwat suicide bombing]] which I will mark as "db-move" in a moment. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJMitchell'''</font>]]  [[User_Talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">You rang? </font>]]  22:54, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''Support'''. Yes definitely(!), if this many people died at once in ''Iraq'' it would probably be posted. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 23:17, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
:::<small>Oh how strange ("2010" attack/disaster articles). :P --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 23:19, 1 January 2010 (UTC)</small>
*At least 95 people are killed, over 100 injured and 20 houses destroyed in a '''[[2010 Lakki Marwat suicide bombing|suicide bombing]]''' in [[Lakki Marwat District]] in [[Pakistan]]'s [[North West Frontier Province]].
::The article now more than meets our minimum requirements for posting, but don't let that stop anyone from continuing to improve it! [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 23:34, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support'''; a significant attack; would be a much bigger news item on another day.  [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 02:32, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
:Posting soon. --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 05:56, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

====Death of [[Helen Lewis]]====
[http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/8436948.stm Auschwitz survivor Helen Lewis dies] Article needs improvement but is she well known? It says she was originally from Czechoslovakia and had a "widely acclaimed autobiography" about her time in camp. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 15:22, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
: '''Oppose'''. I don't think ITN/D are met here. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 15:24, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose'''. I don't want to diminish what this lady went through for so much as one moment but there were a lot of people in Auchwitz and other camps and, sadly, many of them are reaching old age and dying with it being 65 years ago and we can't and shouldn't report each and every one of them unless there's something particularly notable about the individual or their death. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJMitchell'''</font>]]  [[User_Talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">You rang? </font>]]  17:08, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' per HJMitchell.  Really can't say it any better.  [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 02:25, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' per Bradjamesbrown ;) [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 03:07, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

====[[Michael Jackson's Thriller]]====
*[http://news.google.ie/news/story?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=1G1GGLQ_ENIE308&q=thriller&lr=&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ncl=dJcjvCuqrkGCwCM&ei=kOo9S8qDFIP00gToqZyTBQ&sa=X&oi=news_result&ct=more-results&resnum=1&ved=0CAoQqgIwAA Google News]: '''''[[Michael Jackson's Thriller]]''''' video is added to the [[National Film Archive]], the first ever music video. <small> <span style="border:2px solid #000;padding:1px;">&nbsp;[[User:Cargoking|<span style="color:#000080;">'''Cargoking'''</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Cargoking|<span style="color:#f9f9f9;background:#000000;">&nbsp;talk&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 12:35, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''', not a big deal.[[User:sephia_karta|<font face="Palatino">sephia karta</font>]] | [[User talk:Sephia karta|<font face="Palatino">di mi</font>]] 13:28, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Weak support''' if the article is updated and we have nothing better to put up. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 14:47, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''Support''' because it's the first music video so it wouldn't need to be posted every year. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 14:49, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
:: '''Oppose'''. I don't find it that significant. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 15:17, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
:::I did a small update under the awards heading. <small> <span style="border:2px solid #000;padding:1px;">&nbsp;[[User:Cargoking|<span style="color:#000080;">'''Cargoking'''</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Cargoking|<span style="color:#f9f9f9;background:#000000;">&nbsp;talk&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 16:10, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
::Interesting, but not of ITN significance imho. '''Oppose'''. It would sound good as a DYK hook though. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJMitchell'''</font>]]  [[User_Talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">You rang? </font>]]  16:42, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''', not all that significant.  If added, it needs tweaking, like "the first music video to be included."  Thriller was not the first music video ever, as the text seems to imply.  [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 02:24, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

====End of the Tenth Doctor era====
* " [[The End of Time]] ", the final episode of ''[[Doctor Who]]'' with [[David Tennant]] as the '''[[Tenth Doctor]]''' airs on [[BBC One]]. 23:05, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
::Something on the lighter side amongst all this doom and gloom for the New Year. [[User:Hektor|Hektor]] ([[User talk:Hektor|talk]]) 23:05, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
:::Ah why not. '''Support'''. "[[The End of Time]]", ''[[Doctor Who]]'' and [[David Tennant]] seem to be in good condition and is broadcast in US and Canada too? The [[Doctor Who|programme article]] says, √The programme is listed in Guinness World Records as the longest-running science fiction television show in the world, and as the "most successful" science fiction series of all time, in terms of its overall broadcast ratings, DVD sales, book sales and iTunes traffic, as well as "illegal downloads"√. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 23:13, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
:::'''Strong oppose''' it is just a TV show, albeit a popular one. It is not ending its run, it is merely replacing some of its actors, which is not notable IMO. As far as I know when Daniel Craig became 007, that didn't go up. --[[User:Plasma Twa 2|<span style="color:#FF0000;">Plasma</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Plasma Twa 2|<span style="color:#FFFFFF;">Twa</span>]][[User talk:Plasma Twa 2|<span style="color:#FF0000;">2</span>]] 00:41, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' Just a change of actors - in no way worldly-significant. [[User:HonouraryMix|HonouraryMix]] ([[User talk:HonouraryMix|talk]]) 01:28, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''Support'''. My favourite TV show if that is relevant. One of the most watched programmes on BBC, and has a very wide international fan base. <small> <span style="border:2px solid #000;padding:1px;">&nbsp;[[User:Cargoking|<span style="color:#000080;">'''Cargoking'''</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Cargoking|<span style="color:#f9f9f9;background:#000000;">&nbsp;talk&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 01:42, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Strong Oppose'''. Doctor Who changes actors every few series as a matter of course (that's how they've had 10 already). Really not significant. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 02:04, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
:::'''Oppose'''. I would support if this were really the last ''Doctor Who'' episode, as I think it is an iconic television series, but a well known online encyclopedia informs me that [[Matt Smith (British actor)|Matt Smith]] will be the Eleventh Doctor at some point in 2010. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 02:10, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose'''.  I love the show, but I don't believe this change of actor rises to the level of something appropriate for ITN.  [[User:Dragons flight|Dragons flight]] ([[User talk:Dragons flight|talk]]) 05:26, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' While I too will be watching, this is trivia more suited for DYK than ITN.  By coincidence, DYK will be running a Doctor Who hook ([[Amy Pond]]) Saturday morning. [[User:Bradjamesbrown|Bradjamesbrown]] ([[User talk:Bradjamesbrown|talk]]) 07:58, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Strong oppose''' per Plasma's vey well put rationale. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJMitchell'''</font>]]  [[User_Talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">You rang? </font>]]  16:30, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

====China-ASEAN FTA====
*The free trade area, the first of its kind between [[China]] and [[ASEAN]], is scheduled to be officially launched on Jan. 1, 2010. Covering a total population of 1.9 billion, according to [http://www.chinaknowledge.com/Newswires/News_Detail.aspx?type=1&NewsID=30031 this]. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 02:18, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
:[http://www.straitstimes.com/BreakingNews/Asia/Story/STIStory_472142.html More] [http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/china-business/6911721/China-and-South-East-Asia-create-huge-free-trade-zone.html information]. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 22:23, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
:'''Support''' Largest Free Trade Area in the world. [[User:Nirvana888|Nirvana888]] ([[User talk:Nirvana888|talk]]) 23:12, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
::'''Support''' [[User:sephia_karta|<font face="Palatino">sephia karta</font>]] | [[User talk:Sephia karta|<font face="Palatino">di mi</font>]] 13:29, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Comment''' Also ANZCERTA-ASEAN FTA [http://www.15thaseansummit-th.org/PDF/25-01_2.4outcome_AANZFTA.pdf] [[User:Therequiembellishere|Therequiembellishere]] ([[User talk:Therequiembellishere|talk]]) 06:01, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
:What is the article? [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 14:47, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
::I have no idea but I was hoping that at least one of those 1.9 billion people might. :P --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 16:45, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
:::The update could go under [[ASEAN Free Trade Area]]. [[User:Therequiembellishere|Therequiembellishere]] ([[User talk:Therequiembellishere|talk]]) 17:47, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
::::Yeah, I don't see an article for it. Someone with time on their hands should probably create a new article or update an existing article. There should be plenty of reliable sources out there. [[User:Nirvana888|Nirvana888]] ([[User talk:Nirvana888|talk]]) 18:01, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::WIP. [[ASEAN–China Free Trade Area]] will be created soon. It has been previously mentioned in the [[list of bilateral free trade agreements]]. [[User:Arsonal|Arsonal]] ([[User talk:Arsonal|talk]]) 18:10, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::Ready now I think. Other contributors welcome. [[User:Arsonal|Arsonal]] ([[User talk:Arsonal|talk]]) 19:45, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
::: Very nice! It's still a bit short but I believe it is ready to post. Can you give me an appropriate blurb, please? --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 20:05, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, that's OK by me: a few days on the Main Page should get it beefed out a bit! [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 20:15, 1 January 2010 (UTC) Suggest:
*The '''[[ASEAN–China Free Trade Area]]''', the world's largest [[free trade area]] in terms of [[population]], comes into effect.
:: Yep, I was thinking of something like that. Posting. Do we have a map with the countries highlighted? Maybe we could use it as an image. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 20:27, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
:::That would be helpful. I'm traveling, and the computer I'm using has no capability to produce such an image. [[User:Arsonal|Arsonal]] ([[User talk:Arsonal|talk]]) 20:45, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

====Five countries assume UNSC seats==== 
*Five new countries take their non-permanent seats in the [[UNSC]]: Bosnia and Herzegovina, Brazil, Gabon, Lebanon and Nigeria.
:If I remember correctly, this has been posted before in previous years. [[User:Nirvana888|Nirvana888]] ([[User talk:Nirvana888|talk]]) 23:12, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
::Support when updated. --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 11:43, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support''', [[United Nations Security Council]] looks good [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 12:38, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
::That article has no prose update. We can feature [[United Nations Security Council election, 2009]] instead. --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 12:42, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' as the nomination is based on a false premise. We haven't included this event in the past, see the template on 3&nbsp;January [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:In_the_news&oldid=261736000 2009], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:In_the_news&oldid=181825664 2008], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:In_the_news&oldid=98098846 2007], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:In_the_news&oldid=33687259 2006]. We may well have posted the election of new UNSC members ''when the election happens'', which would be more logical on ITN practice. Note as well that we don't include the January change in EU presidency (what I was checking for when I was looking at these historical revisions!), before anyone nominates the Spanish presidency. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 14:26, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
:: I second that. This is annual cycling of the functions and it was well known in advance who will take the seats. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 15:19, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''Support'''. Even if it is recycled and it was known in advance, I think it's significant given the influence these countries will have on the UNSC and given Brazil's increasing significance in the world- 9th largest economy in the world by purchasing power. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJMitchell'''</font>]]  [[User_Talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">You rang? </font>]]  16:39, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''Comment'''. This is by no means purely a rotation like the EU presidency which is done on a rotational basis every six month. Instead, its an annual election of UNSC seats. Your analogy would be more appropriate for the [[President of the United Nations Security Council|UNSC Presidency]] which is actually done on a rotatory monthly process, and which would not posted on ITN much like the EU presidency. I agree that it can be posted either when the election took place or now when they assume their seats - I honestly have no preference. But I updated the appropriate articles to reflect the new events. [[User:Nirvana888|Nirvana888]] ([[User talk:Nirvana888|talk]]) 17:12, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
:::I think we've missed it. I'd probably support a story at the time of the election (I think we've done that in the past), but this simply isn't news any more. Thanks for the updates all the same (I've spent the afternoon updating articles that have fallen off the ITN timescale as well!). Just to say that this is geopolitically important so we should post it regardless of the news value is simply geopolitics creep, and there's more than enough of that on ITN as it is. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 17:54, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
::::'''Comment''': This happens every year just like the knighthood nomination. --<span style="font-family:serif;">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</span> 18:14, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

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