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== Your revert ==

The script owner/maintainer tells me: yes, it sometimes does that because it can't tell the difference between x and y (can't recall what they were – too tech for me); and why don't you use the appropriate template to avoid this, he says. My best. [[User:Tony1|<b style="color:darkgreen">Tony</b>]] [[User talk:Tony1|<span style="color:darkgreen">(talk)</span>]] 11:39, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
:{{ping|Tony1}} In {{diff|Plesiorycteropus|prev|891799728|that edit}}, specifically, the removal of parentheses around the "1" in the caption was wrong, the addition of the hyphen after "non" in the synonym list was wrong, lower-casing "Mayor" in the author list was wrong, and the removal of the doi links from the ref. list was very wrong. Now, it is true that the article was crafted in an idiosyncratic fashion (by the principal author, who has many other featured articles under his belt) and these sorts of errors might not crop up very often. However, given that this is a featured article, those mistakes are a fairly big deal. So, I suggest you use that script with extreme caution. [[User:WolfmanSF|WolfmanSF]] ([[User talk:WolfmanSF#top|talk]]) 17:12, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
::Thanks, yes, those are issues. But ... featured article? Don't make me laugh. As soon as I see that shit-coloured star I'm reminded of how corrupt and inadequate the FA process is. Wouldn't trust that status in a fit. [[User:Tony1|<b style="color:darkgreen">Tony</b>]] [[User talk:Tony1|<span style="color:darkgreen">(talk)</span>]] 02:11, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
:::Oh dear, somebody has a bad attitude. I always use the templates. But Wikipedia has a [[Wikipedia:CITEVAR|principle]] that editors can start articles with non-standard citation/reference styles, which then are supposed to be maintained. That's what we have to deal with. [[User:WolfmanSF|WolfmanSF]] ([[User talk:WolfmanSF#top|talk]]) 03:34, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
::::Oh I sure do have a bad attitude about FAC. I'm well-qualified to judge, too. So I wonder why you're bowing and scraping at the foot of FAC—self-degradation, in my view. The capping of "Mayor" is not consistent with MOSCAPS. Otherwise, fine. [[User:Tony1|<b style="color:darkgreen">Tony</b>]] [[User talk:Tony1|<span style="color:darkgreen">(talk)</span>]] 11:43, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
:::::In the ref. in question, "Mayor" is a surname. No doubt we are all aware, to varying degrees, that our system has shortcomings. [[User:WolfmanSF|WolfmanSF]] ([[User talk:WolfmanSF#top|talk]]) 19:41, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
::::::My apologies about "Mayor", then. "Shortcomings" is an understatement in the case of FAC. [[User:Tony1|<b style="color:darkgreen">Tony</b>]] [[User talk:Tony1|<span style="color:darkgreen">(talk)</span>]] 01:29, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

== ''[[Veronica perfoliata]]'' ==

Hello WolfmanSF,

I appreciate your edits to ''[[Veronica perfoliata]]''. Changing the wording to the "Taxonomy" section the way you have, avoids the constant repetition of the species name. I wonder, though, whether you might agree that it now doesn't read like Brown was the first to describe it? "Robert Brown first formally described..." does not read the same as "....was first formally described by Robert Brown", to me, anyway. Gardner first formally described ''[[Melaleuca suberosa]]'' in 1931 but it was first formally described by Schauer in 1844. I'm keen to read your response because I have started several thousand "Taxonomy" sections of plant articles with a species name. (Incidentally, I also appreciate your several edits to ''[[Eucalyptus]]'' which is a mess and would be a bigger mess without your changes.) [[User:Gderrin|Gderrin]] ([[User talk:Gderrin|talk]]) 02:13, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
:Given the number of articles you have created (thanks, by the way, for your massive contribution), I can understand the appeal of an efficient, assembly-line technique for generating them, but literary qualities may suffer when this approach leads to repetitive paragraph openings, something I try at times to address. I think there are a number of possible ways to handle the potential ambiguity you refer to without going back to a binomen-first sentence, such as "Robert Brown first formally described the species in 1810 as ...". Does that strike you as a good solution? [[User:WolfmanSF|WolfmanSF]] ([[User talk:WolfmanSF#top|talk]]) 03:58, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
::Thanks for your reply and your compliment. (I do not use an "assembly-line technique" as would be apparent from reading the articles I've written. Additionally the sentence starting "''Veronica perfoliata'' was first formally described...." was not written by me.) "Robert Brown first formally described the species in 1810 as ..." does not indicate that he was first person to formally describe the species. As I tried to indicate in my question, Gardner first formally described ''M. suberosa'' in 1931, but he was not the first. A far better wording (since you object to starting the sentence with a binomial) would be "The first person to formally describe [the species] was.....". I would be happy to start the sentence in the articles I write or expand, in other ways, but not the ways you have suggested so far. [[User:Gderrin|Gderrin]] ([[User talk:Gderrin|talk]]) 04:43, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
:::''I'' would interpret "Robert Brown first formally described the species in 1810 as ..." as indicating two firsts, but evidently not all would. Strategic addition of a comma, as in "Robert Brown first formally described the species in 1810, as ..." would remove any doubt that it refers to two firsts (at least from my perspective). However, there must be many other equally good solutions, and I don't think it matters which is used. To be clear, it is only the sequential repetition of binomial-first paragraphs (more than 1 in a sequence of 3 after the opening) I object to. [[User:WolfmanSF|WolfmanSF]] ([[User talk:WolfmanSF#top|talk]]) 05:06, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

== Westerlies / tidal locking ==

Thanks for working constructively and for a good explanation of your reasoning in your recent edits! [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Westerlies&oldid=896181118] I wholeheartedly approve of your decision to replace "non-rotating" with "tidally locked to the Sun". That wording exactly captures the hypothetical situation the remainder of the sentence describes, while the previous phrasing did not. As you noted, non-rotating was not strictly synonymous with tidally locked (because it's less correct - locked planets do rotate, only once per orbit). And "planet" was indeed superfluous, especially with the newest phrasing. Honestly, I should've come to the same conclusions when I was adjusting that sentence. [[User:Tofof|Tofof]] ([[User talk:Tofof|talk]]) 22:42, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

== IUCN template ==

Hi. I notice you lobbied for a simplified way of citing the redlist, something I just copy/paste from their page currently. What I want is an auto filled template, which seems to be a rudimentary task and I can't imagine what the difficulty is. Did you get any further than when you enquired in 2015? [[User talk:Cygnis insignis|cygnis insignis]] 09:21, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
:I actually did create a Microsoft Word macro that would automatically form the template citation from the web citation listing, but never got around to posting it because it didn't work in conjunction with all browsers and needed a bit more development and testing. The IUCN citation listing has changed since and the macro needs updating, which I will see about getting to when I have time. [[User:WolfmanSF|WolfmanSF]] ([[User talk:WolfmanSF#top|talk]]) 18:54, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
::Thanks. I have had a couple more thoughts, and may see a workaround. Should I let you know if there is some progress with that? [[User talk:Cygnis insignis|cygnis insignis]] 19:13, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
:::Sure. [[User:WolfmanSF|WolfmanSF]] ([[User talk:WolfmanSF#top|talk]]) 20:05, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

== FA Review for Ceres ==

I have nominated [[Ceres (dwarf planet)]] for a [[Wikipedia:Featured article review/Ceres (dwarf planet)/archive1|featured article review here]]. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets [[Wikipedia:What is a featured article?|featured article criteria]]. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are [[Wikipedia:Featured article review|here]]. 20:18, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

== A barnstar for you! ==

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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | For all your work on the page [[Deep-sea gigantism]].  [[User:Aven Az13|Aven Az13]] ([[User talk:Aven Az13|talk]]) 17:32, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
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== Mastodon ==
Hello, can you expand the information about the encounter of two mastodon skull fragments in South America? thank you in advance. --[[Special:Contributions/181.165.218.33|181.165.218.33]] ([[User talk:181.165.218.33|talk]]) 17:21, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
:The term "mastodon" is not always used consistently in nonscientific writing. It usually refers to proboscid species in the genus ''[[Mammut]]'' of the family [[Mammutidae]]. However, the scientific names of several gomphotheres (family [[Gomphotheriidae]]) sound similar (e.g., ''[[Stegomastodon]]'' and ''[[Notiomastodon]]''). Given that ''Mammut'' is not established as living in South America, while the presence of gomphotheres in South America is well known, I think we need to suspect that a nonscientic reference to a "mastodon" in South America may refer to a gomphothere. Thus, I think we should wait for a scientific publication before discussing a possible ''Mammut'' discovery in South America. [[User:WolfmanSF|WolfmanSF]] ([[User talk:WolfmanSF#top|talk]]) 23:48, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

== Endemism ==

Hello WolfmanSF,

Just to save us both a lot of work..... I noticed that you are changing "endemism in" to "endemic to". I have used both phrases, more recently "in" on hundred of pages (of ''Eucalyptus'' spp. for example). Do you have a good reason for changing? The fate of the world depends on it! (Agree with the other changes you've made lately, like the position of the word "family". Thanks for them.) [[User:Gderrin|Gderrin]] ([[User talk:Gderrin|talk]]) 03:21, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
:One of the better usage sources is [https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/endemic Oxford's Dictionary]. Under the adjective definition "(of a plant or animal) native and restricted to a certain place", they give 21 usage examples (if you click on the "More example sentences" button), including 13 examples of "endemic to" and zero examples of "endemic in". However, under "(of a disease or condition) regularly found among particular people or in a certain area", they also give 21 usage examples, including one example of "endemic to" and 10 examples of "endemic in". So, I conclude that when discussing a plant or animal species, it should be "endemic to", whereas when discussing a disease or condition, "endemic in" is appropriate. I hope I have discharged my heavy responsibility adequately. [[User:WolfmanSF|WolfmanSF]] ([[User talk:WolfmanSF#top|talk]]) 04:26, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

::World saved! Thanks. [[User:Gderrin|Gderrin]] ([[User talk:Gderrin|talk]]) 04:32, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

== African elephant ==

Re: "... edit caption, and '''remove''' two '''media''' files; I think editors should show restraint in adding their own images to an article"

Dear WolfmanSF

I can see that you are much more experienced in all things Wikipedia. However, this was really good faith editing, not self promotion. I have gone through the trouble of cutting the video down to a short piece, to only show the family hierarchy complete with sound, then convert it online into ogg, then upload and tag it on commons. Not everyone can travel to Africa to see elephant behavior in the wild. And the sound does not carry well with still photography.

Best,
[[User:Axel Tschentscher|Axel Tschentscher]] ([[User talk:Axel Tschentscher|talk]]) 22:33, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
:Here is my suggestion: go through the [[c:Category:Videos of Loxodonta africana|other available videos]], and if you honestly think after that yours is the most suitable, I won't interfere further. What drew my attention was that four of your media files were added in a short interval. Of those, the one of the trunk hairs seems most unique and useful. I think it tends to be harder for most of us to be objective about our own work. In the case of your brief video, to my thinking it doesn't tell an obvious story in terms of why one elephant chose another individual to shove. [[User:WolfmanSF|WolfmanSF]] ([[User talk:WolfmanSF#top|talk]]) 00:46, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
::Thanks! I went through all of those videos, found two actually relating to information and put one up as a replacement for the Japan zoo video. Also: removed one of my pictures. --[[User:Axel Tschentscher|Axel Tschentscher]] ([[User talk:Axel Tschentscher|talk]]) 01:40, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

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:Thanks, [[User:WolfmanSF|WolfmanSF]] ([[User talk:WolfmanSF#top|talk]]) 05:46, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

== Greetings ==

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== Disambiguation ==

Hi, it's the destination, that is ambiguous. It would be like creating an article (not a disambiguous) for [[giant earthworm]]s, [[giant frog]]s or [[giant lizard]]s. None of those terms would be taxonomically correct, rather a mixing up information with a colloquial or familiar name. Your thoughts would be welcome on [[Talk:Giant_tortoise#Not_a_taxonomically_correct_article]]. Regards, [[User:Sun Creator|Sun&nbsp;Creator]]<sup>([[User talk:Sun Creator|talk]])</sup> 23:57, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
:{{ping|Sun Creator}}It's about a single distinct subject that in this case comprises 2 extant non-sister taxa rather than one taxon. We are not bound to write biology articles only about unique taxa. Consider [[army ant]], [[amphibious fish]], [[marine mammal]] and [[flightless bird]] among many other examples. [[User:WolfmanSF|WolfmanSF]] ([[User talk:WolfmanSF#top|talk]]) 00:16, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
::Thanks for your thoughts. The taxonbox in this case has twenty-three different taxon, plus many others mentioned in the article.  Regards, [[User:Sun Creator|Sun&nbsp;Creator]]<sup>([[User talk:Sun Creator|talk]])</sup> 00:35, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
:::Among extant species, we're basically talking about two clades, Galápagos members of ''[[Chelonoidis]]'' and the genus ''[[Aldabrachelys]]''. [[User:WolfmanSF|WolfmanSF]] ([[User talk:WolfmanSF#top|talk]]) 04:47, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

== Society for Marine Mammalogy updates to articles (re: Phocoena sinus edits) ==

Hello! I am a marine ecologist and a member of the Society for Marine Mammalogy, and I'm working on a team of curators on the Education Committee to update and reformat information on all marine mammal Wikipedia pages so that they have a consistent style and reflect the most current information. This committee is being run by a marine mammalogist at NOAA, and in addition to that, each drafted Wikipedia page is reviewed by an expert on the species. I completed a full literature review on the vaquita, wrote this article fitting a uniform format for all marine mammal pages (although many are still in progress), had the article independently fact-checked by a vaquita researcher, and then uploaded the edits. I apologize for making all of the edits at once, but it is accurate and up-to-date. Additional information cited by peer-reviewed sources is welcomed! The goal is to have all marine mammal pages with updated, properly cited information under the same headings.[[User:KimNiels|KimNiels]] ([[User talk:KimNiels|talk]]) 05:22, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

==[[Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Mars Orbiter Laser Altimeter]]==
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== [[List of fishes of Colorado]] ==

What an enormous mess. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 22:52, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
== Article links ==

I suspect you're using a deprecated template for them. Sorry to cause that problem. [[User:Tony1|<b style="color:darkgreen">Tony</b>]] [[User talk:Tony1|<span style="color:darkgreen">(talk)</span>]] 08:13, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
:The problem is that no template at all was used. That is how [[User:Ucucha]] and some others like or used to like to set up their articles. I wouldn't have done that, but it's a featured article and we are generally discouraged from messing with the reference style, once established. [[User:WolfmanSF|WolfmanSF]] ([[User talk:WolfmanSF#top|talk]]) 08:17, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

::I'm guessing this is talking about https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Plesiorycteropus&diff=prev&oldid=953216551 ? A lot of my articles have been converted to use templates by now and I don't mind all that much, but clearly templateless citations with links are better than the same citations without them. [[User:Ucucha|Ucucha]] ([[User talk:Ucucha|talk]]) 15:26, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
:::Yes, that's what it's about. I don't mind maintaining templateless citations, but why would you have a preference for them? The most obvious advantage of templates comes in cases like MSW3 or IUCN, where occasional systematic changes in URLs can be repaired ''en masse'' via the templates rather than the much more laborious (and inevitably incomplete) process of fixing them individually. But even in the less problematic cases like cite journal, bots can do useful things like repair bad citations or add PMIDs. Without the templates, there's much less potential for such fixes or enhancements. [[User:WolfmanSF|WolfmanSF]] ([[User talk:WolfmanSF#top|talk]]) 23:22, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
::::Well well well if it isn't {{U|Ucucha}}--on the very day I'm working in the shed, checking the rat traps. Long time no see, sir. Fijne Kwoningsdag nog. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 22:55, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

== "Great Pyramid of Ceres" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] ==
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A discussion is taking place to address the redirect [[Great Pyramid of Ceres]]. The discussion will occur at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 May 1#Great Pyramid of Ceres]] until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. <!-- from Template:RFDNote --> [[User:2pou|2pou]] ([[User talk:2pou|talk]]) 20:23, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

== Your recent edits to [[Bath School disaster]] ==

Thank you for the addition of the information + sources about Kehoe's head injury. Who knows what made him a mass murderer but that serious head injury could certainaly have had something to do with it. However, within your recent series of edits to the article you also changed the <nowiki><ref group="Note"></nowiki> style to the efn nomenclature with no discussion on the talk page. So far as I know ref group = "Note" is not incorrect. I would like to change it back to the previous longstanding form but I thought I should check in with you first...if you have some MOS/etc objections we can move this discussion to the article talk page if you like. Cheers, [[User:Shearonink|Shearonink]] ([[User talk:Shearonink|talk]]) 03:17, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
:I have changed the note template to one that allows the notes to show up in the text as "Note1, Note2, etc., just as before. It may not matter for our purposes, but my impression is that [[Template:Refn]] is more versatile than just using <nowiki><ref>...</ref></nowiki>. [[User:WolfmanSF|WolfmanSF]] ([[User talk:WolfmanSF#top|talk]]) 06:39, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

== Thanks for explaining ==

Even though I do know that you need to specify what you do in the edit summary, I sometimes forget to specify it, like what happened in my recent edit at ''[[Dreadnoughtus]]'', that's why I only put "made some fixes". If that happens again, feel free to revert it, but now that I'm more aware of specifying my edit summaries even the minor ones, I'll try not to leave them in blank. [[User:JurassicClassic767|JurassicClassic767]] ([[User talk:JurassicClassic767|talk]]) 22:11, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

== Megalodon ==

The meg article makes no references to Megalodon being the largest shark. The article says meg was one of the largest predators, meg ''may'' have been the largest fish*, and meg had the largest known teeth of any shark found. There is no cited reference or mention to the fact Megalodon is the largest shark, and there should be. --[[User:Ylleknivek|Ylleknivek]] ([[User talk:Ylleknivek|talk]]) 20:53, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
:That is implied by the other superlatives, and it doesn't really need to be added to the lead. [[User:WolfmanSF|WolfmanSF]] ([[User talk:WolfmanSF#top|talk]]) 21:18, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

== Spider families ==
Thanks for all the work you're doing with spider articles. It looks like many of these are moving the word "family" behind the family name (example: your most recent edits of ''[[Shuyushka]]'' and ''[[Anapis]]''), but I'm not completely sure when or how this rule applies. Can you explain the rule(s) behind using the word "family" and using a family's name? I'm one of the group's more frequent editors, and I wrote a lot of the pages you're updating, so I want to make sure that I understand enough to help you out instead of contribute to the problem. Thanks! <span style="font-family:Courier;">[[User:Sesamehoneytart|<span style="color:green">Sesame</span>]][[User talk:Sesamehoneytart|<span style="color:blue">honey</span>]][[User:Sesamehoneytart/created articles|<span style="color:red">tart</span>]]</span> 13:54, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

:{{reply to|Sesamehoneytart}} In a noun combination consisting of a more general and a more specific term, the normative English syntax differs depending on whether the combination is, or is not, a compound noun. In a compound noun, the presence of the more general noun changes the meaning, and the more general term is second, while in a combination that isn't a compound noun, the meaning doesn't change and the category term comes first. As examples, consider that we say "aluminum can" (a compound noun) but "element aluminum" (not a compound noun).

So, the combination of taxonomic rank plus a ''formal taxon name'' is not a compound noun, and the normative syntax of this combination is "rank" followed by "formal name" (e.g., "family Cervidae"). On the other hand, the combination of taxonomic rank plus a ''popular taxon name'' is a compound noun, and the normative syntax of this combination is "popular name" followed by "rank" (e.g., "deer family"). There is a certain amount of confusion regarding this distinction, and not everyone gets it right. The confusion tends to be greater when the rank is '''family''', because that is also a common nontechnical term, unlike, say, '''genus'''.

You can see the statistics for various examples of application of the rule using formal taxon names in these [[Google Ngram Viewer|Google Ngrams]]: [https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=kingdom+Animalia%2CAnimalia+kingdom&year_start=1800&year_end=2008 '''kingdom Animalia''', Animalia kingdom], [https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=phylum+Chordata%2CChordata+phylum&year_start=1800&year_end=2008 '''phylum Chordata''', Chordata phylum], [https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=class+Mammalia%2CMammalia+class&year_start=1800&year_end=2008 '''class Mammalia''', Mammalia class], [https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=order+Primates%2CPrimates+order&year_start=1800&year_end=2008 '''order Primates''', Primates order], [https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=family+Mustelidae%2CMustelidae+family&year_start=1800&year_end=2008 '''family Mustelidae''', Mustelidae family], [https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=genus+Corvus%2CCorvus+genus&year_start=1800&year_end=2008 '''genus Corvus''', Corvus genus], [https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=species+Homo+sapiens%2CHomo+sapiens+species&year_start=1800&year_end=2008 '''species Homo sapiens''', Homo sapiens species]. This is the opposite of the normative syntax of the combination of a taxonomic rank plus an informal taxon name, e.g.: [https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=kingdom+animal%2Canimal+kingdom&year_start=1800&year_end=2008 kingdom animal, '''animal kingdom'''], [https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=phylum+chordate%2Cchordate+phylum&year_start=1800&year_end=2008 phylum chordate, '''chordate phylum'''], [https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=class+mammal%2Cmammal+class&year_start=1800&year_end=2008 class mammal, '''mammal class'''], [https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=order+primate%2Cprimate+order&year_start=1800&year_end=2008 order primate, '''primate order'''], [https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=family+weasel%2Cweasel+family&year_start=1800&year_end=2008 family weasel, '''weasel family'''], [https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=genus+crow%2Ccrow+genus&year_start=1800&year_end=2008 genus crow, '''crow genus'''], [https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=species+human%2Chuman+species&year_start=1800&year_end=2008 species human, '''human species''']. Some non-taxonomic examples are: [https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=element+mercury%2Cmercury+element&year_start=1800&year_end=2008&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2Celement%20mercury%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Cmercury%20element%3B%2Cc0 '''element mercury''', mercury element] vs. [https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=thermometer+mercury%2Cmercury+thermometer&year_start=1800&year_end=2008&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2Cthermometer%20mercury%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Cmercury%20thermometer%3B%2Cc0 thermometer mercury, '''mercury thermometer'''], or [https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=planet+Mars%2CMars+planet&year_start=1800&year_end=2008&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2Cplanet%20Mars%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2CMars%20planet%3B%2Cc0 '''planet Mars''', Mars planet] vs. [https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=rover+Mars%2CMars+rover&year_start=1800&year_end=2008&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2CMars%20rover%3B%2Cc0#t1%3B%2CMars%20rover%3B%2Cc0 rover Mars, '''Mars rover'''].

In Wikipedia, many species articles were started by a bot called Polbot, which got the syntax of formal family name plus "family" backwards. By now this error has been fixed in most expanded articles, but remains in a fair number of stub articles, I situation I have been addressing.

Please let me know if any of the above explanation is unclear or incomplete. Thanks, [[User:WolfmanSF|WolfmanSF]] ([[User talk:WolfmanSF#top|talk]]) 19:48, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

::Thanks for the explanation! I haven't been making a distinction between "formal" and "common" taxon names. I also copied syntax used in more common animals / expanded articles, and it's likely that I copied some of Polbot's mistakes for the article frameworks I use for spiders. For the last year or two, I've been moving through genera articles by World Spider Catalog ID#. I'm currently at [https://wsc.nmbe.ch/genus/3391/Munduruku #3391] ''[[Munduruku bicoloratum]]'', so that's the last time you should see this error in spider genera (except the ones I haven't gotten to yet). <span style="font-family:Courier;">[[User:Sesamehoneytart|<span style="color:green">Sesame</span>]][[User talk:Sesamehoneytart|<span style="color:blue">honey</span>]][[User:Sesamehoneytart/created articles|<span style="color:red">tart</span>]]</span> 16:53, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

== Biota = Vitae? ==
Hi, WolfmanSF. You reverted my edit at [[Taxonomic rank]] (I had changed "Vitae" to "Vita"). Perhaps you're right, but I'd like to see a reliable source, so I have now added "Citation needed". Your summary guided me to the page [[List of phrases containing the word vitae]], but there were two problems there: no source is cited, and this was not a phrase anyway. So I've removed the relevant line from that page and I've explained [[Talk:List of phrases containing the word vitae|on the talk page]].

I don't honestly see how "Vitae" could be the equivalent to "Biota", but very likely some biologist has a better brain than I have. [[User talk:Andrew Dalby|Andrew Dalby]] 09:00, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
:{{reply to|Andrew Dalby}} As the plural of "vita", usage of "vitae" for "biota" makes a certain amount of sense and this usage seems to have a degree of tradition and currency, although it does not appear to be widespread or considered "official". Here are some examples culled from searches: [[Two-empire system]], [[:wikt:Vitae]], {{oldid|Biota (taxonomy)|725463885}}, [https://jaspergeli256.wordpress.com/2015/05/11/taxonomic-rank/ 4], [https://independentaustralia.net/environment/environment-display/the-empire-of-life-needs-a-proper-name,11943 5], [https://www.biolib.cz/en/taxon/id14772/ 6], [https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:YL-m9Q12dFEJ:https://clever-geek.github.io/articles/2629356/index.html+&cd=12&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us 7]. [[User:WolfmanSF|WolfmanSF]] ([[User talk:WolfmanSF#top|talk]]) 19:24, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
::Sorry about the delay in responding: I didn't get any ping (at least, I don't think so). Thank you for finding those links, but I don't see any of them as reliable sources. It seems best to me to take this back to "[[Talk:Taxonomic rank]]", where someone may well be able to show that a real scientific Latinist has used the word "Vitae" as the name of the node at the top of the tree. Is that OK with you?
::I came here at first mainly because I had a little trouble understanding your edit summary, but of course I saw what you meant in the end. [[User talk:Andrew Dalby|Andrew Dalby]] 14:21, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
:::{{reply to|Andrew Dalby}} That's fine. I don't think there is an official formal taxonomic term for all life, my point was that "Vitae" has some degree of traditional usage, while "Vita" doesn't. [[User:WolfmanSF|WolfmanSF]] ([[User talk:WolfmanSF#top|talk]]) 18:39, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
::::I agree that "Vita" doesn't! [[User talk:Andrew Dalby|Andrew Dalby]] 19:29, 13 July 2020 (UTC)