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== Outline of knowledge project update - 2009/03/11 ==

Allow me to shift focus for the moment from the country outline project to outlines in general...

=== Where's the Outline of knowledge project headed? ===

It's growing fast, so fast that it is catching up to portals.

I just stumbled on to a subset of 50 more outlines (one for the history of each state of the United States), and have added them to the [[Portal:Contents/Outline of knowledge|top of the outline]].  [[User:Buaidh|Buaidh]] has been busy - it's nice to meet another fanatic outliner.  :)

That brings the total number of outlines in article space to about 450.

It won't be long before there are more outlines than portals (which number about 600).

=== How long before outlines outnumber portals?  ===

Four months, tops.

=== Then what? ===

I don't know.  Do you have any ideas?

Of course the set will continue to grow.  Which branch of knowledge should we tackle next?

And...

Perhaps we should push for Main page coverage?

=== Need for traffic analysis ===

We need to begin taking a deeper look at outlines and how they are integrated into (linked to from other pages on) Wikipedia, to optimize their usefulness.

The [http://stats.grok.se/ Traffic counter] is useful for monitoring page traffic on Wikipedia.

Though I'm not sure exactly what it measures.  Do you know?

What interests me most is the difference between outline traffic and portal traffic.  Use the above counter on various portals and the corresponding outlines, to see what I mean.

Is the traffic volume of portals related to the structure of their links?

Where is portal traffic coming from?  Can the answer be found in "What links here"?

And what about the portal menu bar at the top of every portal page?  Does that account for the huge number of hits the main portal list gets each month?

I also wonder how much of the traffic comes from the Main page.  Is there any way to tell?

If you have any ideas on this subject and how we should proceed, please visit my talk page and let me know!

And if you know of any other traffic analysis tools that we could make use of, please let me know!

''[[User talk:The Transhumanist|The Transhumanist]]'' 19:31, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

== Genova & Dimitrov article ==

Sorry, but I REALLY couldn't understand what is necessary to re-do in the article in order to be "accepted" -
one colleague of yours is saying "This is too much information", the next one "It is too few information", now you decide o decline the request because you consider The Library of Congree in Washington, the State University of Music and Drama in Hannover, all the numerous independant newspapers and magazines from the whole world NOT VERIFIABLE AND NOTABLE ENOUGH to prove the importance of the two artists, who were chosen i.e. to open the Winter Olympis in Salt Lake City?!?!?! What is the REAL REASON?
--[[Special:Contributions/84.131.69.36|84.131.69.36]] ([[User talk:84.131.69.36|talk]]) 22:19, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

== Geography WikiProject update - 03/15/2009 ==

The award images are complete!

After months of toil and attention to detail, Penubag has completed the set of images for this WikiProject's awards!

There are five race ribbons:

<div class="center">[[File:Racewik2.png|120px]][[File:Racewik2nd.png|90px]][[File:Racewik3rd.png|90px]][[File:Racewik4th.png|50px]][[File:Racewik5th.png|50px]] </div>
{{clear}}

There's an engraved medallion:

[[File:Medalian4.png|center|200px]]{{clear}}

And by far the hardest to create, a golden trophy:

[[File:Wikipedia World Developer Champion.png|center|160px]]

If you have any ideas about awards these images can be placed upon, and how to award them (to show appreciation and to attract participants), please let me know.

And be sure to pop by [[user talk:Penubag|Penubag]]'s talk page to let him know what you think of his graphics artistry.

''[[User talk:The Transhumanist|The Transhumanist]]'' 21:06, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

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== Outline of knowledge WikiProject update - 04/02/2009 ==

Hi everyone.

Things are going slow again.  Where have you been?!

Maybe what you need to get you going is a little competition...

=== Who are we competing with? ===

Encyclopedia Britannica.  Specifically, with its ''Outline of knowledge'' (presented in its volume called the ''[[Propaedia]]'').  Currently, they're kicking our asses.  You've really got to check out their Outline of Knowledge (available only in the encyclopedia's paper edition - not the online version).

Portals. Informally, of course, just for the fun of it.  There are around 600 portals.  We're about 100 behind them, with about 500 outlines.  Let's blow past them and leave 'em in the dust!

=== Confusion in editors at large ===

Now that the country outlines have been moved to the encyclopedia proper (article space), recruiting help on these is of high priority -- it will soon be time to alert all relevant editors to the nature and function of these and how they relate to other country coverage on Wikipedia.

However, I've noticed instances in which editors do not understand the nature and function of outline pages, and complain that they are redundant to articles.  Well, ya.  (That's the point of an outline - to provide the essentials in a structure for greater understanding, for easy viewing and faster reading, and to provide a topical guide).  

A few editors over the years have viewed outlines as redundant to portals, not understanding the purpose and scope of outlines, nor the benefits provided by their structure and standardization.

These problems of misunderstanding need to be solved before "going public", to prevent their expansion as the community's awareness of these pages increases.  Consider the response we'd get now if we announced these pages on the talk pages of 500 WikiProjects, 500 article talk pages, and placed links in 500 see also sections, etc.

That could be a nightmare.

So...

=== Encyclopedic and administrative support ===

I've been working on a couple things that will help alleviate confusion and hopefully reduce the need for editors to ask questions and seek advice.   They're drafts, still under construction.  Please look these over and jump in and help complete them (directly or by providing feedback):

First is an [[User:The Transhumanist/Outline|Outline]] article draft, intended to replace the current [[Outline]] article.

Next is a [[User:The Transhumanist/Outline of knowledge|guideline]] on the Outline of knowledge and its outline pages.

Let me know what you think.  Do they help you understand outlines better and how to develop them on Wikipedia?  What is missing?  How can they be improved?

''[[User talk:The Transhumanist|The Transhumanist]]'' 04:52, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

== Outline of knowledge WikiProject update - 04/06/2009 ==

As the country outlines have been approaching completion and more attention has been given to the non-country outlines and the Outline of knowledge as a whole, I've run into this...

=== Topic lists ===

As you know, we've been cleaning up sets of pages the links of which are displayed on the outlines.

One of the most prominent of the sets presented are the "List of x topics" (including "List of x-related topics) pages, and they are in a sorry state.

There's actually 2 different kinds mixed together in the same set: most of them are alphabetical indexes.  

The others are non-alphabetical hierarchical lists.  That is...

outlines! 

So, I've been renaming the indexes to "Index of x articles" or "Index of x-related articles", and wikifying them (especially their lead sections).  So far, all the country-related topics lists that are indexes have been renamed.  It appears the new name fits so well that nobody favors the old name over the new. It's been over a week since that was done, with no complaints, so I've started on the rest.  

As for the topic lists that are outlines, those can be absorbed or merged into the OOK.  Even though this would entail a lot of renaming and reformatting, and cutting and pasting, these pages might still save us some work!  I'm not sure how many there are, but that should become clear once the index pages are all renamed.

Feel free to join in and help.  It's hog's heaven!

''[[User talk:The Transhumanist|The Transhumanist]]'' 04:46, 6 April 2009 (UTC)


== Outline of knowledge project summary, and future direction ==

In response to a friend on Wikipedia who was wondering about how I've been and what I've been up to, I got to spewing about our little endeavor, and well, I got so carried away I pretty much told him everything.  :)  The message turned out to be a pretty good summary of what we've accomplished so far and the overall plan.  

See [[User talk:The Rambling Man#What's up?]]

''[[User talk:The Transhumanist|The Transhumanist]]'' 23:01, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

== Update on the Outline of knowledge WikiProject & Geography WikiProject (Country outlines workgroup) - 04/16/2009 ==

Momentum in the development of the outlines is continuing to build, even though we haven't added any new outlines lately.  Plenty of work is being done on the outlines we already have.

Keep up the good work everyone!

=== Inspiration! ===
Kudos go to [[User talk:Buaidh|Buaidh]], who has dived head first into outline development, continuing improvement of the country outlines, and doing so ''vigorously''.  Take a look at his [[Special:Contributions/Buaidh|contribs]].  He has taken the initiative and has been expanding those outlines' design and coverage.  Be sure to let him know what you think of his work!

=== Coming soon: the Super Huge Expansion (it will be really really big) ===
Excitement (mine at least) is building as we approach the ''Super Huge Expansion'', during which notices will be placed on ''thousands'' of subject talk pages and their corresponding WikiProjects (see below concerning which ones).  Though not all on the same day! - this will take place over a period of weeks or months, because it's best not to open the flood gates all at once.  

The existing outlines should serve as strong examples for editors who wish to develop new outlines, and so we need to complete them as much as we can before we start to take this to the next level (in about 3 months).  The [[User:The Transhumanist/Outline|rewrite of the outline article (the draft]], which explains outlines in detail), and the [[User:The Transhumanist/Outline of knowledge|guideline on outlines and outline development]], also need to be completed before the transcendence begins.  These will help guide the decisions and actions of editors, and reduce confusion.

=== [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Outline of knowledge#Projected outline|Projected outline, at the OOK WikiProject page]] ===

What's next?  Where is the Outline of knowledge headed?

Well, it will grow, to encompass all of human knowledge.

But, is there a plan?

YES!!!

Currently under construction on the Outline of knowledge WikiProject page is a version of the outline that will display links to all the outline pages currently in the encyclopedia proper, links to all outline drafts, and redlinks to all planned outline drafts.

You can help.  Please place links to the remaining drafts in there (with complete pagenames so we can easily tell they are drafts).  Once all the draft pages are placed, please look over the overall outline for gaps in coverage, and add missing subjects.  I expect there are thousands of missing subjects extensive enough to benefit from being outlined.  New subjects should be included as red draft links.  Thank you.

But it's not just an editing task list...

During the upcoming "Super Huge Expansion" (mentioned above), the article talk page and WikiProject for each of the subjects listed on the projected outline will receive a notice requesting the creation and development of the outline page for that subject.  Each notice will also explain how a subject's outline will integrate into the Outline of knowledge and into Wikipedia's navigation system as a whole.  

See [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Outline of knowledge#Projected outline]].

=== Topic lists ===

The nice thing about a [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22reverse+outline%22&aq=f&oq= reverse outline] is that it turns up problems that exist in the publication being outlined, which provides opportunities to fix them.  Since we get very little or no opposition to fixing problems even on sets of hundreds of pages, we've been plowing through them.

One of the biggest problems in Wikipedia that our work on the Outline of knowledge has uncovered so far is with the set of topics lists.  Their titles, in the forms "List of x topics" and "List of x-related topics" are ambiguous, and they are not the most common terms for describing their content.  See [[WP:COMMONNAME]].  To make matters worse, the set is divided between 2 competing types/sets of pages: alphabetical indexes, and outlines.  

In an effort to sort out this mess, the indexes are being renamed, and the outlines are being reformatted and moved, or merged, into the Outline of knowledge.

So far, [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3APrefixIndex&from=Index+of+&namespace=0 almost 300 topic lists have been renamed to indexes].  Nobody has objected to the names chosen, [[User_talk:The_Transhumanist#List of articles|but one editor has expressed reservation on the approach]] - he was concerned it would cause confusion by having 2 title standards in place at the same time for these.  Though he himself was not confused, nor did he object to the titles.  And nobody else has expressed confusion or dissatisfaction with the new titles either.  It has been over 2 weeks since the renaming has begun, and since no confusion seems to have been caused, and since there is no opposition to the new names, I plan to continue with the renaming.

Also, one topic list has been merged into its corresponding outline so far:  [[List of transport topics]] was merged into [[Outline of transport]].  It turned out very good.  [[List of cell biology topics]] is currently being merged into [[Outline of cell biology]] (see the link dump in hidden comments at the end of the outline).

I'm not sure how many lists have "topics" in their titles, but [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&as_q=topics+&as_epq=list+of&as_oq=&as_eq=&num=100&lr=&as_filetype=&ft=i&as_sitesearch=https%3A%2F%2Frp.liu233w.com%3A443%2Fhttp%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2F&as_qdr=all&as_rights=&as_occt=title&cr=&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&safe=images Google turned up 788], and these appear to include the ones that have already been renamed to indexes.  Subtracting those renamed so far, there are about 500 more to go.

=== Watching tips ===

I thought you might want to compare notes on the methods we use to watch over the outlines.  Here's how I keep an eye on things...

My watchlist had so many thousands of articles in it that I finally just deleted them all.  Now I have it set so that I have to manually add pages to be watched, and I use it only to watch trouble spots and collaborations I'm participating in.

Because I like to watch specific sets of pages at a time, I use "Related changes" on list pages.  That way the results are not watered down with edits from pages I'm not immediately concerned with.

I always use [[WP:POP]] and [[Special:RecentChangesLinked|Related changes]] together.  With POP installed, you go to a link list, like [[User:Buaidh/Country outlines of the Americas]], then click on "Related changes" in the toolbox menu, and then hover the mouse cursor over the diff and hist links so you can look at those without clicking on them.

It's pretty fast.

The technique turns Wikipedia's list system into a crystal ball.

==== Update Scanner ====

Penubag recommends [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/3362 Update Scanner], which is a Firefox add-on that periodically scans pages and pings you when a change is detected.  You can even set its level of sensitivity for each scanned page (e.g., "ignore changes of 100 words or less").  

I'd use it, but I don't have a computer.  :(

See also [[WP:OTS]] for more power tools and techniques, and [[User:Penubag/optimum toolsets]] for some more nice addons, that do a variety of things.

I'm always looking for new power tools and power skills, so if you know of any, please share (let me know)!

''[[User talk:The Transhumanist|The Transhumanist]]'' 04:47, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

== ''Do not read this one'' - The Hunt - Outline of knowledge WikiProject - 04/17/2009 ==

While surveying libraries, their outline-related resources, and our coverage of them, I came across something funny...

[[Talk:Library of Congress Classification:Class B, subclass BS -- The Bible|What subclass is the Bible in the Library of Congress Classification?]]

Do you think they'd like this one at [[WP:DYK]]?
  
(Nope.  They didn't.) &nbsp; &nbsp; :)

=== Libraries ===

For months, I've been sitting at a terminal in one of the largest libraries in the country, and I haven't even looked around at the available resources.

Until a few days ago.

I'm overwhelmed.

When compared to libraries, Wikipedia is small.  (See [http://nces.ed.gov/pubs2009/2009020_7.pdf Digest of Education Statistics 2008, Chapter 7:Libraries and Educational Technology Libraries], and turn to page 617).

But is that a fair comparison?

Yes.

Why?

Because we have growth potential.  :)

And we cover everything, including libraries!

Guess what else I found?

=== Hunting for outlines ===

I began to study libraries and librarians, since they are experts in organizing knowledge.  And of course I turned to Wikipedia to see what we had on the things I came across...

And while doing so I kept running into outlines on Wikipedia that are not (yet) part of the Outline of knowledge.

When I come across non-OOK outlines, generally I rename them, and reformat them to our standard outline format.  But there is the occasional exception.

Here are some outlines I just added:

# [[List of energy topics]] --> [[Outline of energy]] (it converted great)
# [[List of Dewey Decimal classes]] --> [[Outline of Dewey Decimal classes]] (no conversion)
# [[Library of Congress Classification]] --> ??? (no rename, no conversion)

The last 2 are outlines by their very nature, and so our standard outline subheadings didn't seem to fit.  So I left them as is.

I renamed the first 2, but the last one is the name of the outline, that is, the topic itself is an outline, and that outline is presented as the article's content, so I left the name as is.  For now.  This needs more thought.

Of course, that's not all.  Concerning those last 2 outlines above...

=== Alternate outlines of knowledge ===

...not only are they outlines, but they are outlines of knowledge!  Well, the top few levels, at least.

Uh, so?

What happens if we linkify them?  :)

That is, what happens if we linkify their classifications to Wikipedia's outlines? &nbsp;:)&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;:)&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;:)

=== They become alternate top ends to the OOK ===

Yep.

=== What can you find? ===

I challenge you to find some "hidden" outlines.  

I dare you to take a look around Wikipedia for hidden outlines (that is, outlines not yet hooked into the OOK), and add your kills to [[WP:WPOOK#The hunt for hidden outlines]].

My trophies are already there.

=== May the hunt begin! ===

''[[User talk:The Transhumanist|The Transhumanist]]'' 20:08, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
==New image project==
Hi. This little form letter is just a courtesy notice to let you know that a proposal to merge the projects [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Free images]], [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Fair use]], [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Moving free images to Wikimedia Commons]] and [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Illustration]] into the newly formed [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Images and Media]] has met with general support at [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals/Files]]. Since you're on the rosters of membership in at least one of those projects, I thought you might be interested. 
Conversation about redirecting those projects is located [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Images_and_Media#Redirect_proposal|here]]. Please participate in that discussion if you have any interest, and if you still have interest in achieving the goals of the original project, we'd love to have you join in. If you aren't interested in either the conversation or the project, please pardon the interruption. :) Thanks. [[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 16:48, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

==GA Sweeps invitation==
Hello, I hope you are doing well. I am sending you this message since you are a member of the GA WikiProject. I would like to invite you to consider helping with the '''[[Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles/Project quality task force/Sweeps|GA sweeps process]]'''. Sweeps helps to ensure that the oldest GAs still meet the criteria, and improve the quality of GAs overall. Unfortunately, last month only two articles were reviewed. This is definitely a low point after our peak at the beginning of the process when 163 articles were reviewed in September 2007. After nearly two years, the '''[[Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles/Project quality task force/Sweeps/Running total|running total]]''' has just passed the 50% mark. In order to expediate the reviewing, several changes have been made to the process. A '''[[Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles/Project quality task force/Sweeps worklist|new worklist]]''' has been created, detailing which articles are left to review. All exempt and previously reviewed articles have already been removed from the list. Instead of reviewing by topic, you can consider picking and choosing whichever articles interest you.

We are always looking for new members to assist with the remaining articles, so if you are interested or know of anybody that can assist, please visit the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles/Project quality task force/Sweeps|GA sweeps page]]. In addition, for every member that reviews 100 articles or has a significant impact on the process, s/he will get an award when they reach that threshold. If only 14 editors achieve this feat starting now, we would be done with Sweeps! Of course, having more people reviewing less articles would be better for all involved, so please consider asking others to help out. Feel free to stop by and only review a few articles, something's better than nothing! Take a look at the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles/Project quality task force/Sweeps worklist|list]], and see what articles interest you. Let's work to complete Sweeps so that efforts can be fully focused on the backlog at GAN. If you have any questions about the process, reviewing, or need help with a particular article, please contact me or [[User:OhanaUnited|OhanaUnited]] and we'll be happy to help. --Happy editing! [[User:Nehrams2020|Nehrams2020]] ([[User talk:Nehrams2020|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Nehrams2020|contrib]]) 08:41, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

== Outline of knowledge WikiProject update 05/10/2009 ==

Development is moving steadily forward.  We haven't created any new outlines lately, but a lot of editing of our existing outlines is taking place.  Take a look at [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Buaidh Buaidh's contributions].  :)

I'm impressed.

I can safely say we now have another fanatic working on the project.

=== Importance of watching ===

A big danger to new pages or pages that have low traffic are [[WP:PROD|prods]].  These are deletion proposals that don't have to go through AfD.  If a prod sits on a page, any page, 5 days without opposition, the page can be deleted without discussion.

Such pages can be undeleted without discussion too, but there's usually a delay, especially if you don't notice the page missing right away.  Prods create undesirable gaps in the subject coverage of list sets. 

I just caught one the other day, so keep an eye on the outline pages!

=== Tangent: Indexes ===

One of the benefits of reverse outlining is the discovery of problems (gaps in coverage, etc.) with the publication being outlined.  We've come across several and have been fixing those as we go.  Because hypertext tables of contents are only as good as the pages they link to, we've been cleaning up large sections of Wikipedia. This was something I did not foresee when I started this project. 

One of the sets of pages we link to on the outlines is the set of indexes, formerly called "List of x topics".  Unfortunately, the lists of topics were divided between 2 different sets competing for the same article names, and this impeded development of both sets.  One of those sets were indexes, and the rest are outlines (more about these below).

So I set about splitting up the 2 sets, by renaming the indexes to "Index of x articles" or "Index of x-related articles".

All 450 or so of them.

Nobody has complained about the new names, but 2 or 3 people thought I was way too bold to attempt this without a proposal or discussion first.  Just 2 or 3 people.  That's about as much opposition as you could expect for moving a single page.

Not bad for a move of this volume.

There are many more indexes out there, but our main concern are those which are provided links on the outlines.  Many of those are redlinks (gaps in coverage as mentioned above), and so we need a way to track these and direct editor attention to them so that somebody creates them...

So, I've created a page for the set, that parallels the OOK list:

: See '''[[Portal:Contents/Index]]'''.  

The complete list of "Index of" articles can be found at [[User:The Transhumanist/Index]], and this list needs to be gone over to make sure each article index listed is included on the portal page above.  If you help with this, please put '''- placed''' after each entry that you check and place.

Thank you.

To further support the development of index pages, and provide a central place for people to go to find out more about indexes and what needs to be done, I've created the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Index|Index WikiProject]].

=== Hidden outlines ===

There are outline pages hiding all over Wikipedia.  They aren't in OOK's formats, but we can fix that.  :)

Converting existing outlines and absorbing them into the OOK is a lot easier than creating outlines from scratch, and it avoids unnecessary duplication of effort.  But before we can convert them, we have to find them...

A hunt is underway for non-OOK outlines.  So far, '''[[User:Gimme danger]]''' is in the lead and has found the most.  See [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Outline of knowledge#The hunt for hidden outlines]] for more information.

Please don't rename any non-standard outlines you come across to OOK's standard naming until after you reformat them.  Renaming them only after they are reformatted helps us keep track of which outlines have and have not been converted.

Thank you.

=== Converting outlines ===

The way I usually do this is by substituting the relevant outline generator template at the beginning of the outline, which forces the existing outline to the bottom of the page.  Then I add an "under construction" tag, and then move all the links from the original outline to the relevant sections in the standard structure.  It is important to finish the conversion quickly, so as not to create confusion.  Then I scour Wikipedia for missing links (using Google to do a site-specific search of Wikipedia), to make the upgraded outline more comprehensive than the converted outline. Be sure to check all related categories too. Add a lead paragraph, add external links, and voila! 

Better than before.

=== Where we're heading ===

The next phase in the evolution of this project is to increase participation by expanding the Wikipedia community's awareness of the Outline of knowledge, its purpose, and what needs to be done for any given subject.  

This will entail placing banners on the outlines' talk pages, the talk page for the WikiProject associated with the subject of each outline and of each planned outline, and on the talk page of each article corresponding to each outline and to each planned outline.

Then instructions on improving subject access, including the creation and development of an outline for each subject, will be posted on every related WikiProject page.  (There's a WikiProject for the subject of most outlines).

We will also be sending notices to every member of every WikiProject associated with the subject of each and every outline and planned outline.

But before this happens, the [[User:The Transhumanist/Outline of knowledge|outline guidelines]] and the [[User:The Transhumanist/Outline|article draft for the topic "Outline"]] must be completed.  Without these, many editors will not know what an outline is, or what to do to build and improve them.

And that's our current bottleneck.

Once those are ready (the guideline and article), we can take this project to the next level.

=== Keep up the good work ===

Well, that's all for now.

Until next time,

''[[User talk:The Transhumanist|The Transhumanist]]'' 00:27, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

== A couple questions for you... ==
=== What are the benefits of a [[tree structure]]? ===

The article doesn't say.

I'm interested, because I need to explain the benefits in the guideline on outlines I'm writing. (Outlines are a type of tree structure).

I've also asked the question at various reference desks, and these threads may help to jump start your brain on this question.  :)

* [[Wikipedia:Reference desk/Science#What are the benefits of a tree structure?]]
* [[Wikipedia:Reference desk/Mathematics#What are the benefits to humans of using a tree structure?]]
* [[Wikipedia:Reference desk/Humanities#In the humanities, what are the applications and benefits of a tree structure?]]
* [[Wikipedia:Reference desk/Language#What are the benefits of using tree structures in linguistic communications?]]
* [[Wikipedia:Reference desk/Miscellaneous#With respect to the fields covered by this refdesk, what are the applications and benefits of a tree structure?]]

=== What are the benefits of outlines, over and above regular articles? ===

What benefits have you noticed?

How are Wikipedia's outlines useful to you?

I look forward to your answers on my talk page.

''[[User talk:The Transhumanist|The Transhumanist]]'' 04:31, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

== [[WP:WPOOK|WPOOK]] Update - 05/17/2009 - Blockbusting! ==

This project needs another shot in the arm.

So here it goes...

=== Countries WikiProject Collaboration - Contests! ===

I've contacted all 59 members of the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Countries|Countries WikiProject]] to help in designing and conducting contests for the further development of the [[User:The Transhumanist/Country outlines|country outlines]].

You are invited too.

=== [[Houston, we have a problem]] ===

The guidelines and outline article still aren't complete.

Which means you will be needed to help explain to the newcomers mentioned above what outlines are and how to develop them.

Please participate in the discussion at [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Countries#Hosting country coverage contests]].

''[[User talk:The Transhumanist|The Transhumanist]]'' 22:21, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

== A question for you, concerning a possible contest... ==

To promote work on the country outlines, maybe a contest between country WikiProjects could be run, to see which WikiProject could develop the best country outline.

What do you think?

(I look forward to your reply on my talk page).

''[[User talk:The Transhumanist|The Transhumanist]]'' 23:55, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

== IRC Helper  ==

Hiya.  A while back, you posted a Qn. re getting "helper" status in the [irc://irc.freenode.net/#wikipedia-en-help #wikipedia-en-help] channel.  Just checking you're all sorted now?  Cheers, [[User:Trafford09|Trafford09]] ([[User talk:Trafford09|talk]]) 00:55, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

== Has the shit hit the fan? - [[WP:WPOOK|WPOOK]] update, 05/25/2009 ==

Maybe...

=== We've started the next phase ===

I was experiencing mental block on the [[User:The Transhumanist/Outline|article draft for "outline"]] and on the [[User:The Transhumanist/Outline of knowledge|outline guideline draft]].  And this was holding the whole project back.  Without these (which are intended to explain the type of lists known as outlines in detail), the danger is higher that a controversy could go the wrong way.

I requested help on them, but there was none forthcoming.  

So I went ahead and started us on the next phase of operations without those 2 pages...

Our AWB'ers and I have placed about '''1600 notices all over Wikipedia.  And the plan is to place several thousand more'''.

This generated only one complaint, but it was a very vocal one, and attracted a few other detractors who seemed unfamiliar with the concept of hierarchical outlines and their benefits.  However, just as many or more editors came to the defense of the OOK, and there was no consensus formed.  But, dab is still trying to rally opposition to outlines at the Village Pump.  See below...

=== Administrator noticeboard incident and Village Pump policy discussion ===

It appears that the banner placed on the [[Talk:Outline of Switzerland|talk page of the Outline of Switzerland]] caught the attention of an editor named [[User:Dbachmann|Dbachmann]] who posted a rather forceful message on my talk page, another on [[WT:WPOOK]], another at [[WP:VPP#"Outlines"|WP:VPP]], and still another at [[WP:AN#Shadow Wikipedia|WP:AN]]!

He went well out of his way to use negative hype to cause a stir.  

It appears that Mr. Bachmann doesn't understand the nature of hierarchical outlines and their applications.  And though he implied that he has never seen an OOK outline before, he was involved with a discussion on these when they were called "lists of basic topics".

His primary argument is that outlines are content forks of articles, and violate [[WP:CFORK]].

But "topic lists", of which outlines are a type, have been around for almost as long as Wikipedia, and fall under the [[WP:LISTS]] and [[WP:STAND]] guidelines.  They aren't intended as forks, as they are lists, bringing the benefits of lists to the corresponding subjects, such as grouping and navigation.

Someone suggested an MfD, but lists are articles, and are within the jurisdiction of AfD.  Only the portal page, which merely lists the outline articles, falls within the scope of the MfD department.

The administrator's noticeboard was considered the wrong venue for the discussion, and the discussion was closed.

But the '''[[WP:VPP#"Outlines"|dab's discussion at the Village Pump]]''' is still active.  Hopefully level heads will prevail there too.

=== Now what? ===

Am I disheartened or deterred?  Hell no.  I say "full steam ahead!"

But we really need to finish the [[user:The Transhumanist|article draft]] and the [[User:The Transhumanist/Outline of knowledge|guideline]].  Otherwise there will continue to be confusion.

In a week or two, we'll be posting another 1600 or so notices.  It's a good thing we didn't send out 10,000 of them all at once.  :)

''[[User talk:The Transhumanist|The Transhumanist]]'' 22:52, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

P.S.: Another related thread has popped up at [[WP:VPR#OoK's expediency]].

== [[WP:WPOOK|WPOOK]] update - 05/27/2009 ==

Input on the OOK threads at the Village Pump has died down (at both [[WP:VPP]] and [[WP:VPR]]), and there is currently no consensus on either.

=== Negative feedback ===

For the number of notices we posted (over a thousand) the number of complaints we received (the two VP threads mentioned above) was quite low.

=== Silent majority ===

Considering most of the outlines are orphans, they get pretty good use.

Note that people who are happy with articles on Wikipedia generally don't say anything, so I simply interpret it as positive feedback.

=== Traffic, traffic comparison, and increasing traffic ===

Using [http://stats.grok.se/ Traffic], I compare the traffic of articles, their corresponding outlines, and their corresponding portals from time to time.

Outlines are starting to catch up to portals.  Though the main portals, which are included in a navbar menu at the top of most portals are still way ahead of their outline counterparts.

Both outlines and portals are way behind the articles on the same subjects.  Articles usually have 20 to 30 times the traffic.

Keep in mind that most outlines are orphans, with the primary link to them being [[Portal:Contents/Outline of knowledge]].

Traffic should improve once we include links on the corresponding subject pages, including the main subject as well as subjects that correspond to subheadings (e.g., History of x, and in the case of countries: Geography of x, Demographics of x, Culture of x, etc.) 

I'm convinced the traffic of outlines will overtake portals once we've link-integrated them into the encyclopedia.  And since outlines serve as tables of contents for each subject, it seems most fitting to place links to them in the form of hatnotes at the top of each subject's main articles (and the sub-subjects mentioned in the paragraph directly above).

By the way, there's another traffic counter called [http://wikirank.com/en Wikirank], but I haven't tested it out much yet, but will do so in the coming weeks.

=== Going for the Main Page ===

Once the traffic of outlines has overtaken portals, it will be time to replace portals on the Main Page, even if we need to spearhead a new main page redesign!  This isn't a far-fetched idea.  I was the one who jumpstarted and led the project responsible for the current main page design (until it hit critical mass and attracted other leaders), and I was also the most active editor on that project.  I even created the '''[[WP:CBB]]''' on the Community Portal to promote the main page election.  The second time around should be easier.

=== Back to the here and now ===

Targetting the Main Page is a few months off.

Right now, we need to continue posting notices and start link-integrating the OOK into the encyclopedia.

I have a whole slew of AWB tasks to assign.  I hope you are ready.  :)

=== Spread the word ===

[[WP:WPOOK]] needs members.  Tell all your friends about the OOK, and get them to join.

''[[User talk:The Transhumanist|The Transhumanist]]'' 02:45, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

== Why do we have outlines in addition to...? ==
{{main|Wikipedia:Why do we have outlines in addition to...?}}

[[Wikipedia:Outlines]] was growing so large that I split this section off as a separate page.

I look forward to your feedback and improvements. 

''[[User talk:The Transhumanist|The Transhumanist]]'' 22:36, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

== Outline update - ''Good news and bad news'' - 06/08/2009 ==

The big push continues.

And it seems to be working!

'''''The good news is''''' that there's growing support for outlines, and there are more editors than ever editing them!

'''''The bad news is''''' that the complainers are disproportionately represented on the project's various talk pages.  While many editors work diligently on the front end, a handful of complainers are trying to tear down the project behind the scenes.  Fortunately, barely enough supporters have been watching those pages that no consensus for moving or merging the outlines has succeeded.  So far...

=== Big problem: ignorance of what outlines are for and their benefits ===

Most of the opposition seems to be unaware of the complete range of what outlines are used for. They just don't ''get it''.

This is why it is important to complete [[User:The Transhumanist/Outline|the outline article draft]]. An article with a comprehensive treatment of outlines would be the perfect place to refer anybody unfamiliar with outlines to.

Opposers also don't seem to understand how outlines differ from some other page type that they prefer.  Some think articles are good enough as an overview, others think portals are more in-depth, still others think categories or navigation boxes are the most efficient and useful way to organize and present topical information.  Some have simply never seen an "Outline of" page before and think they are a new type of page (they've been around under other names since 2001).  

If you run across anyone who doesn't understand the role of outlines on Wikipedia, [[Wikipedia:Why do we have outlines in addition to...?]] might help reduce their misconceptions or uncertainties about outlines.

=== On the bright side, ''you've got to see this...'' ===

To add the outlines and related support pages to your watchlist (takes less than 30 seconds), cut and paste them from [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Outline of knowledge/Watchlist]] into your raw watchlist.  For a way to improve the display of your watchlist - by namespace (very useful) - see [[User:Misza13/watchlistSorter.js|Watchlist sorter]], or use the "super fast upgrade" at [[WP:OTS]].

Or go to [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Outline of knowledge/Watchlist using Related changes]] (currently without the talk pages) and click on "Related changes" in the toolbox menu on the sidebar on the left side of your screen.

=== The big push ===

The big push started with about a thousand banners and notices being placed on article talk pages all over Wikipedia.

But it didn't stop there...

=== Welcome our new members... ===

The following Wikipedians have joined the OOK team.

Be sure to stop by their talk pages and introduce yourselves.

* [[User talk:Tarheel95|Tarheel95]] - going after the Main Page.
* [[User talk:Vivio Testarossa|Vivio Testarossa]] / [[User_talk:Feinoha|Feinoha]] - here to help.
* [[User talk:Burningview|Burningview]] - made a splash at MfD with [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Outline of knowledge/Drafts/Outline of British Columbia]] (see the talk page for the MfD link - lots of support there).

=== Enter the mentors! ===

I asked a bunch of mentors at [[WP:ADOPT]] for advice.  Several of them answered on my talk page.  Most of those who replied were happy to help, and posted some very good ideas.  A couple even joined the project.

Here are their ideas, and what is being done about them.  A few of the tasks still need volunteers:

* [[User talk:Strdst grl|Strdst grl]]: Create and place project banners - already {{done}} 
* [[User talk:Strdst grl|Strdst grl]] & [[User_talk:The Earwig|The Earwig]]: put an animated ad for the project in [[WP:BANNER]] - Our graphics specialist [[User talk:Penubag|Penubag]] is looking into it. 
* [[User talk:Strdst grl|Strdst grl]]:  Create a userbox for the project - assigned to [[User talk:Penubag|Penubag]]. 
* [[User talk:Garden|Garden]]: Ask to have outlines added to next year's [[WP:Wikicup|WikiCup]] competition - {{done}} (proposal posted)
* [[User talk:Tarheel95|Tarheel95]]: Add a link to [[Portal:Contents/Outline of knowledge]] to the [[Main Page]] - [[User talk:Tarheel95|Tarheel95]] is taking on the creation of the proposal
* [[User talk:SriMesh|SriMesh]]: Create an [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Outline of knowledge/Outreach|outreach subpage]] to WPOOK - {{done}} (invitation coming soon, see below)
* [[User talk:SriMesh|SriMesh]]: (Create a [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Outline of knowledge/Newsletter|newsletter archive subpage]]) - {{done}}
* [[User talk:SriMesh|SriMesh]]: Add a feed to [[User:AlexNewArtBot|AlexNewArtBot]] to gather links to new outlines and post them on a page.  Then personally invite new creators to the project. - '''''who wants to tackle the feed?''''' 
* [[User talk:SriMesh|SriMesh]]: Assign someone to monitor the outlines via watchlist, and invite new outline editors to the project - '''''any volunteers?'''''
* Related: Create an invitation - [[User talk:Penubag|Penubag]] is working on it.
* [[User talk:SriMesh|SriMesh]]: Create [[Template:Expand outline]] similar to [[Template:Expand list]], which adds each outline it is posted on to [[:Category:Incomplete outlines]], where editors (who are browsing the categories) can find them and work on them - '''''to be assigned'''''
* [[User talk:SriMesh|SriMesh]]: Add the above template to incomplete outlines - upcoming AWB task
* [[User_talk:The Earwig|The Earwig]]: "Tell your wikifriends about it" - I've told mine, have ''you'' told ''yours''?
* [[User_talk:The Earwig|The Earwig]]: "Collaborate with other WikiProjects" - we've been doing this from the start (each outline is associated with at least one other WikiProject).
* : move the projected outline to a subpage of [[WP:WPOOK]] - {{done}}

=== Linking to outlines has begun ===

To the tops of about 30 subject articles, I placed a test batch of hatnotes leading to the corresponding outlines.  The hatnotes look like this:

: ''For a topical guide to this subject, see [[Outline of X]].''(Hidden: <!- PLEASE LEAVE THIS LINE IN PLACE because it leads to the page that serves as the table of contents for Wikipedia's overall coverage of this subject. Thank you.-->

The rationale for the hatnotes is that each outline is a topical guide for its subject, and since tables of contents go at the front of a book, a link to each outline should be placed at the front of its subject.

Unfortunately, not all editors agree.  Some of the hatnotes have already disappeared.  :(

=== Some past discussions pertaining to the existence or location of outlines ===
Note that the "Lists of topics" are of two types, including outlines and indexes, so discussions to remove, move, or merge those are usually relevant to the OOK. Also, outlines are a type of list, so discussions that affect lists in general also pertain to outlines.  We've got to be on our toes!

* [[Wikipedia:Move navigational lists to portal namespace]]
* [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Outline of Islamic and Muslim related topics]]
* [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Outline of South Africa]]
* [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of basic visual arts and design topics]]
* [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of basic mining topics]]
* [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of basic management topics]]
* [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of basic industrial topics]]
* [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of basic computer science topics]]
* [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of basic Canada topics]]
* [[User talk:The Transhumanist/Archive 21#Question copied from Juliancolton's page]]
* [[Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Outline of knowledge/Drafts/Outline of British Columbia]]
* [[Talk:Switzerland#Orphaned article: Outline of Switzerland]]
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Outline_of_science&diff=291368360&oldid=286022635 Outline of science converted to redirect by Dbachmann]
* [[Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)/Archive 64#"Outlines"]]
* [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive193#Shadow Wikipedia]]
* [[Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)/Archive 47#OoK's expediency]]

I've excluded links to live discussions, out of respect for [[WP:CANVASS]].

=== Table of contents to OOK-related stuff ===
Here's a directory of outline support pages:

* [[Portal:Contents/Outline of knowledge]]
* [[Wikipedia:Lists]]
** [[WP:CLN]]
** [[Wikipedia:Stand-alone lists]]
*** [[Wikipedia:Outlines]]
**** [[Wikipedia:Why do we have outlines in addition to...?|Why do we have outlines in addition to...?]]
**** [[Wikipedia:Comparison of Wikipedia's and Britannica's outlines of knowledge|Comparison of Wikipedia's and Britannica's outlines of knowledge]]
* [[WP:WPOOK]]
** [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Outline of knowledge/Projected outline]]

=== Keep up the great work! ===

''[[User talk:The Transhumanist|The Transhumanist]]'' 04:25, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

== WPOOK advert banner under development, here's the beta... ==

Thank you to those who suggested [[WP:WPOOK|WPOOK]] have an animated advert banner.  Penubag got working on it right away.  Here's what he's come up with so far:

Penubag needs feedback.

I've posted a few changes for him to make to it.

Please post additional comments and suggestions for him at [[User talk:Penubag#Chocolate banner]].

Thank you.

''[[User talk:The Transhumanist|The Transhumanist]]'' 02:37, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

== Outline collaboration! ==

As you know, Penubag is working on a banner to advertise the Outline WikiProject.  And he's almost done.

The banner prominently presents the "Outline of chocolate", which of course will become ''the most widely advertised outline'' as soon as the banner goes live.  The first thing many editors will do after seeing the banner is look for that outline.

The problem is, we don't have one.

So that's our first outline collaboration!

I started a '''[[Wikipedia:Outline of knowledge/Drafts/Outline of chocolate|draft]]''' this morning. 

It needs to be finished and moved to the article namespace before we can start using Penubag's banner ad!

Come join in on the fun.  It's chocolate!

''[[User talk:The Transhumanist|The Transhumanist]]'' 21:59, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

== WPOOK's advert banner is done! ==

<div class="center">[[File:Qxz-ad184.gif]]</div>
{{clear}}

Is it perfect?  Can it be improved?

[[User talk:Penubag|Penubag]] loves feedback.  Please let him know if it can be further improved.

Thank you.

''[[User talk:The Transhumanist|The Transhumanist]]'' 23:10, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

== Outline update - Full Steam Ahead! - 06/18/2009 ==

Several members of the WikiProject have been hard at work.

'''[[User talk:Buaidh|Buaidh]]''' has been building and refining the outlines on the U.S. States, the states' historical outlines, and the [[Historical outline of the United States]].  Lately, his edits have dominated the project's watchlist readout.  (I think he's overdue for a barnstar or two.  hint hint)

'''[[User talk:Penubag|Penubag]]''' has been working on medals for all the main branches of the OOK, and has completed the OOK WikiProject's animated advert banner (see below).

'''[[User talk:Highfields|Highfields]]''' has been filling in the currencies for each country on their respective outlines.

'''[[User talk:NuclearWarfare|NuclearWarfare]]''' and '''[[User talk:Thehelpfulone|Thehelpfulone]]''' have been busy with [[WP:AWB]], posting banners and notices, and helping our sister project, the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Index|Index WikiProject]], get established.  Indexes work hand-in-hand with the outlines and are prominently linked to from the top of most of them.  And the outlines, which serve as tables of contents, are only as good as the pages they link to.

Since we started integrating (linking) the OOK and its support pages into the encyclopedia and into the Wikipedia community, activity on outlines has been increasing.  Though there's still much left to do.

But I digress.  There are a couple more...

=== Welcome our new members! [[User talk:Stefan|Stefan]] and [[User talk:MacMed|MacMed]]===

'''[[User talk:Stefan|Stefan]]''' is building the '''[[Outline of sharks]]'''.  

'''[[User talk:MacMed|MacMed]]''' has joined our advanced wiki-tools team, and is currently adding links to outlines in the corresponding subject articles' see also sections.

Be sure to stop by their talk pages and say "hi".

=== WPOOK's advert banner has gone live! ===
'''[[User talk:Penubag|Penubag]]''' has finished this WikiProject's animated advert banner, and it is now being displayed on the [[Template:Wikipedia ads|Wikipedia ads template]] which in turn is displayed on about 2000 user pages.  Each time someone access one of those pages, there is a 1 in 184 chance of them viewing this:

{{Wikipedia ads|ad=184}}

If you'd like to display the banner on your userpage locked-on to the ad as above, use the following code:

'''<nowiki>{{Wikipedia ads|ad=184}}</nowiki>'''

(By the way, it's been awhile since we've barnstarred [[User talk:Penubag|Penubag]]).

=== Watchers needed! ===

If you haven't already, please add the entire project's watchlist to your watchlist.  Here's how:

:From the edit window, copy and paste [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Outline of knowledge/Watchlist]] into your raw watchlist.

:Or go to [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Outline of knowledge/Watchlist using Related changes]] and click on "Related changes" in the toolbox menu in Wikipedia's sidebar on the left hand side of the screen.

=== Check the watchlist every time you log on! ===

I forgot to mention this step above.  :)

=== The OOK is in 5 other Wikipedias? ===
I can't make heads or tails of 'em, but these links were on [[Portal:Contents/Outline of knowledge]]:

* [[:ar:ويكيبيديا:مواضيع أساسية]]
* [[:fa:پورتال:فهرست موضوعات پایه]]
* [[:pl:Przegląd dziedzin wiedzy]]
* [[:pt:Portal:Conteúdo/Esboço do conhecimento]]
* [[:zh-yue:基礎課題表清單]]

=== Resurrected from the grave yard... ===

I discovered an AfD discussion on possibly the first article named "Outline of", which was called '''[[Outline of Islamic and Muslim related topics]]''', and which was created 4 years ago.  Of course they deleted it.  But now it has many friends, and so it has risen from the dead.  :)

See the DRV discussion at [[Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2009 June 7#Outline of Islamic and Muslim related topics]].

=== A diamond buried in project space ===

* When [[User talk:G716|G716]] found the page "Learn" tucked away as a subpage of the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Probability|Probability WikiProject]], he thought "This deserves to be in the article space", and moved it to the encyclopedia.  See '''[[Outline of probability]]'''.

=== Recruiting ===

Recruiters needed.  Drop me a note if you are interested.

=== Advice from the mentors ===
* '''[[User talk:Astatine-210|Astatine-210]]''', '''[[User talk:Strdst grl|Strdst grl]]''', and '''[[User talk:Willscrlt|Willscrlt]]'''  - link to the outlines from the corresponding subject articles' see also sections - this is underway by '''[[User talk:MacMed|MacMed]]''' (non-country outlines) and '''[[User talk:NuclearWarfare]]''' (counry outlines).
* '''[[User talk:Astatine-210|Astatine-210]]''' - add a link to the outlines to the disambiguation pages of the corresponding subjects - good idea. Since "Outline" is just the type of page, not the subject, I think these might qualify for inclusion on disambiguation pages.  We need someone to look into the relevant guidelines on this.
* '''[[User talk:SimonTrew|SimonTrew]]''' - provide a badge (userbox) for WPOOK members to add to their user pages - '''[[User talk:Penubag|Penubag]]''' will have one for us soon.
* '''[[User talk:Zachary crimsonwolf|Zachary crimsonwolf]]''' - create a [[User:Zachary crimsonwolf/Cards|card]] explaining outlines, and send it to everyone you know, and make it viral (by including a request for the recipients to send the card to everyone ''they'' know) - this task has been split in three:
:# Creation of a "thank you for your interest" card which introduces (explains) outlines, to send to queriers, new participants to discussions, those who seem to be confused about outlines, etc.
:# Creation of a thank you card / invitation to the [[WP:WPOOK|WPOOK]], to send to users we see working on outlines, including a request for them to invite others whom they think might be interested 
* '''[[User talk:weebiloobil|weebiloobil]]''' - contact Wikignomes - OK...
::3. Creation of an invitation to Wikignomes, with a brief rundown on the types of tasks there are for them to do on the outlines.  The invitation will include a request for them to invite anyone they think would enjoy working on outlines.
* '''[[User talk:weebiloobil|weebiloobil]]''' - add examples to [[Wikipedia:Outlines]] - more examples will be added as suitable outlines are completed
* '''[[User talk:weebiloobil|weebiloobil]]''' - add a picture to [[Wikipedia:Outlines]] (it doesn't have to be relevant), to provide atmosphere and to break it up visually and add a splash of color - will do, and we'll add a caption to make it relevant, with a link to the outline on that subject.  Thank you for the idea.
* '''[[User talk:Zachary crimsonwolf|Zachary crimsonwolf]]''' - ask Jimbo Wales to bestow the award(s) for the country outlines contest, once you get it going first - we'll give that a try
* '''[[User talk:Zachary crimsonwolf|Zachary crimsonwolf]]''' - ask everyone in the project to inform their acquaintances around Wikipedia about the OOK - will do, as soon as the cards 
* '''[[User talk:UzEE|UzEE]]''' - collaborate with all the WikiProjects you share scope with - we've placed a banner on their talk pages, and have placed task notices on some.  We'll be posting more tasks, and plan to create a section on contents system development and maintenance for each WikiProject page itself.
* '''[[User talk:SriMesh|SriMesh]]''' - if you can't get outlines added to next year's [[WP:CUP|WikiCup]], then create your own WikiCup-like contest - there's 6 months left to this year to address reservations and work out the details at WikiCup.  In the meantime, there's the [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Countries#Country outline contest proposal|200-WikiProject contest]], which needs input.

=== More outline tasks ===

* [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Outline of knowledge/Drafts/Outline of chocolate]] draft - our current outline collaboration!
* [[Outline of psychology]] - someone moved a big chunk of this article to the talk page, leaving a big gap in the outline.  Editors are needed to add subheadings and links.
* See also links - add <nowiki>{{main|Outline of x}}</nowiki> (where "x" is the subject) to the see also section of the corresponding subject article of each outline

==== New outlines in article space ====
* [[Outline of sharks]] - under construction in article space
* [[Outline of Hinduism]] (converted from "List of Hinduism-related topics")

==== New outline drafts ====

* [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Outline of knowledge/Drafts/Outline of chocolate|Outline of chocolate]]
* [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Outline of knowledge/Drafts/Outline of Christianity|Outline of Christianity]]

=== Main discussion pages === 

* [[Wikipedia talk:Outlines]]
* [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Outline of knowledge]]
* [[Portal talk:Contents/Outline of knowledge]]

=== Keep up the great work ===

I'm impressed with the level of enthusiasm and work going into the outlines.  I'm proud to be working with each of you.

''[[User talk:The Transhumanist|The Transhumanist]]'' 23:22, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

== Outline collaboration #2: [[Outline of Gibraltar]] ==

This outline is approaching completion.

I added a bunch more links, finding them with the following Google site-specific searches of Wikipedia:
* [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&num=100&q=allintitle%3A++%22of%22+%22Gibraltar%22+-highway+-portal+-category+-template+-user+-talk+-%22Wikipedia%3AWikiProject%22+site%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Frp.liu233w.com%3A443%2Fhttp%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2F&aq=f&oq=&aqi= "of" and "Gibraltar"]

* [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&num=100&q=allintitle%3A++%22in%22+%22Gibraltar%22+-highway+-portal+-category+-template+-user+-talk+-%22Wikipedia%3AWikiProject%22+site%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Frp.liu233w.com%3A443%2Fhttp%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2F&aq=f&oq=&aqi= "in" and "Gibraltar"]

* [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&num=100&q=allintitle%3A++%22for%22+%22Gibraltar%22+-highway+-portal+-category+-template+-user+-talk+-%22Wikipedia%3AWikiProject%22+site%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Frp.liu233w.com%3A443%2Fhttp%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2F&aq=f&oq=&aqi= "for" and "Gibraltar"]

* [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&num=100&q=allintitle%3A++%22Gibraltar%22+-%22Gibraltar+-+Wikipedia%22+-highway+-portal+-category+-template+-user+-talk+-%22Wikipedia%3AWikiProject%22+site%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Frp.liu233w.com%3A443%2Fhttp%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2F&btnG=Search&aq=f&oq=&aqi= with "Gibraltar" not at the end]

(You can use the wikicode for the links above as the basis for new searches - just replace "Gibraltar" with any other country or region name).

=== Request: please redirect the redlinks! (bluelinking...) ===

The redlinks need to be bluelinked where possible.  The most useful way is to create redirects leading to the material (which is usually included in a section of an article - see [[Wikipedia:Redirect#Redirects to page sections]].  That way, when the redirect pages are replaced by the actual articles, the links will already point to the right places.

Please take a crack at it, and bluelink a few.

Thank you.

Good luck.

Have fun.

''[[User talk:The Transhumanist|The Transhumanist]]'' 01:07, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

P.S.: on an unrelated matter, where should the [[Outline of chocolate]] be placed on the [[WP:2|OOK]]?  ''-TT''

== [[User talk:Penubag#Nice project page|I finally got to whack somebody with a trout!]] ==

That was fun.  :)

''[[User talk:The Transhumanist|The Transhumanist]]'' 23:56, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

== Outline update - Push push push - 06/25/2009 ==

Work is proceeding apace...

* '''[[User talk:Juliancolton|Julian]]''' is working on getting a bot account (and he delivered this update as his trial run).
* '''[[User talk:Penubag|Penubag]]''' is working on the '''[[WP:WPOOK|Project page]]''' and upcoming contest.
* '''[[User talk:Buaidh|Buaidh]]''' is developing '''[[:Category:Historical outlines of US states|all of the U.S. state historical outlines]]'''.
* '''[[User talk:Tarheel95|Tarheel95]]''' is writing a proposal to add a link to the '''[[Main Page]]''' leading to the '''[[WP:OOK|the OOK]]'''.
* '''[[User talk:Highfields|Highfields]]''' is integrating the OOK into the encyclopedia by '''[[Wikipedia:Orphan|deorphanizing]]''' outlines by placing a {{tl|main}} link in the see also section of the subject articles that have a corresponding outline.
* I've been trying to keep up with them.  :)

; New members

* '''[[User talk:Minnecologies|Minnecologies]]''' - developing '''[[Outline of forestry]]''' and is watching the big picture.
* '''[[User talk:Mnation2|Mnation2]]''' - improving '''[[Outline of Lebanon]]'''

; Hatnotes

The current consensus is that we can't place a hatnote leading to an outline at the top of a subject articles unless the outline being presented is of at least the same quality-level as the article.

; What's next...

Improve outline quality by completing them.

Place hatnotes for the outlines of high enough quality.

Guidelines pertaining to outlines need to be updated.  Outlines emerged as a class of pages only a few months ago, and most of the relevant guidelines don't cover them specifically.  For example, '''[[Wikipedia:Stand-alone lists]]''' is incredibly out of date.

Invite wikignomes, wikielves, and wikifairies (all 2500+ of them) to help on the outlines .

Identify 600 more subjects with coverage extensive enough to justify outlines, create rudimentary drafts for them, and post notices to the corresponding WikiProjects and subject talk pages to help build them.

Convert outlines titled "List of" to outline articles, and add them to the OOK.  There are a few hundred of these.  Conversion instructions are needed.

Add a description of outlines to '''[[Wikipedia:About|About Wikipedia]]''' and '''[[Wikipedia:Basic navigation]]''', and add tips about outlines to the '''[[WP:TOTD]]''' and '''[[WP:TIPS|Tips library]]'''.

; Keep up the great work!

''[[User talk:The Transhumanist|The Transhumanist]]'' 20:27, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

== Request for feedback ==

[[User talk:Minnecologies|Minnecologies]] has done an incredible amount of work on [[Outline of forestry]] and posted a note to me on my talk page requesting feedback.  

I've posted my observations at [[Talk:Outline of forestry#Finished outline review]].

Please take a look at the outline and let Minnecologies know what you think of it on the outline's talk page.

Thank you.

''[[User talk:The Transhumanist|The Transhumanist]]'' 19:37, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
<small>Delivered by [[User:JCbot|JCbot]] ([[User talk:JCbot|talk]]) at 20:16, 29 June 2009 (UTC).</small>

== NEED HELP WITH ARTICLE ==

In 1972, I founded KABEELO LODGE and KABEELO AIRWAYS in Northwest Ontario then sold it in 1983.  Coincidentally, Professor Jack Engel of Iowa State University authored a text book for McGraw-Hill entitled ‘ADVERTISING  The Process and Practice’ which turned out to be a widely distributed textbook.  Previously, Professor Engel wrote me a letter and asked if I would write an article on how I arrived at my strategy for advertising KaBeeLo Lodge.

I have that textbook and would like to have a copy of that article placed into Wikipedia.

I’m an old man (76) and can’t keep up with all the new stuff.  I would pay a reasonable fee to have someone put that article into Wikipedia.

Kenneth J. Lohn
klohn@tampabay.rr.com  <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Klohn|Klohn]] ([[User talk:Klohn|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Klohn|contribs]]) 16:56, 31 July 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== HELP ==

I NEED HELP     August 31, 2009  4:27 PM[[User:Klohn|Klohn]] ([[User talk:Klohn|talk]]) 20:29, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

In 1972, I founded KABEELO LODGE and KABEELO AIRWAYS in Northwest Ontario then sold it in 1983. Coincidentally, Professor Jack Engel of Iowa State University authored a text book for McGraw-Hill entitled ‘ADVERTISING The Process and Practice’ which turned out to be a widely distributed textbook. Previously, Professor Engel wrote me a letter and asked if I would write an article on how I arrived at my strategy for advertising KaBeeLo Lodge.

I wrote the article and it was incorporated into the textbook.  I would like to have a copy of that article placed into Wikipedia.

I’m an old man (76) and can’t keep up with all the new stuff. I would pay a reasonable fee to have someone put that article into Wikipedia.

Kenneth J. Lohn

My user name is    Klohn

klohn@tampabay.rr.com

 

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Klohn"

== An exciting opportunity to get involved!==
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As a member of the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Aviation|Aviation WikiProject]] or one of its subprojects, you may be interested in testing your skills in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Aviation/Contest|Aviation Contest]]! I created this contest, not to pit editor against editor, but to promote article improvement and project participation and camraderie. Hopefully you will agree with its usefulness. Sign up [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Aviation/Contest/Signups|here]], read up on the rules [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Aviation/Contest#Contest_rules|here]], and discuss the contest [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Aviation/Contest|here]]. The first round of the contest may not start until September 1st-unless a large number of editors signup and are ready to compete immediately! Since this contest is just beginning, please give feedback [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Aviation/Contest|here]], or let me know what you think on my talkpage. - '''[[User:Trevor MacInnis|<span style="font-family:Century Gothic;color:SteelBlue">Trevor</span>]] [[User talk:Trevor MacInnis|<span style="font-family:Century Gothic;color:IndianRed">MacInnis</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Trevor MacInnis|<span style="font-family:Century Gothic;color:DarkOliveGreen"><sup>contribs</sup></span>]]''' 05:07, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

== [[International Space Station]] ==

Hello there! As an editor who has posted a comment in one of the recent Peer Reviews, GANs or FACs of [[International Space Station]], I was wondering if you wouldn't mind commenting in the [[Wikipedia:Peer review/International Space Station/archive5|current Peer Review]] as to whether you feel your original comments have been dealt with, if you see any new issues with the article, and whether or not you believe the article will meet the criteria for Featured Article status. Any new comments you have would be greatly appreciated. Many thanks, [[User:Colds7ream|Colds7ream]] ([[User talk:Colds7ream|talk]]) 17:02, 24 September 2009 (UTC)