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== Impartial? ==

What sort of impartiality is this? "Until the 1950's and 60's, the majority of the inhabitants of the city were Christian Arabs, however many of the original Christian inhabitants immigrated to America and Canada to seek a better economic life rather then remain under illegal Israeli occupation and brutal apartheid control."  The phrase "illegal Israeli occupation" implies that the State of Israel is illegitimate and illegal. Tayibe is not in any sort of disputed territory, nor occupied.

"Brutal apartheid control"  is just stupid.  I live alongside Israeli Arabs who earn more and live better than the Jews who are their neighbors.  They own farms and factories, and work in the trades, as professionals and business owners.  It is not in any way comparable to apartheid South Africa.

:Please sign your posts on talk pages using four tildes. Furthermore, personal observations of users cannot be used in articles, unless they appear in reliable published sources.

:This being said, you're obviously correct that calling Israeli lands within the Green Line "illegal Israeli occupation" is a highly partisan position which is disputed by (virtually all) reliable published sources, and talk of "brutal apartheid control", while being somewhat more plausible, is also a partisan position not shared by many (most?) sources.

:If these allegations exist, and appear in reliable published sources, they should be reported as allegations. [[User:Eleland|Eleland]] 15:15, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

:Oh, come to think of it, they may not have intended to make those accusations. Editor could easily have been confusing [[Tayibe]] and [[Taybeh]]. [[User:Eleland|Eleland]] 15:29, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

:: Even if they meant [[Taybeh]] and not [[Tayibe]] it still is NOP to say that the Israeli occupation is illegal and apartheid.   They can reference creditable sources that may draw those conclusion but wikipedia articles are supposed to be impartial and there are obviously two sides in articles that talk about issues related to Palestinian Israeli conflict.  It just makes Wikipedia look bad if an article "takes a side" as it were.  --[[User:Hadees|Hadees]] 22:01, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

== Petersen, 2001, mix-up ==   
I have generally found Petersen, Andrew (2001), ''A Gazetteer of Buildings in Muslim Palestine: Volume I'' (British Academy Monographs in Archaeology) to be very reliable. But on this town there are some mistakes, as references which are for [[Taybeh]], West Bank, are given here. I will list the refs given, and try to find out if it checks out or not. See also [[Talk:Tira, Israel]] Cheers, [[User:Huldra|Huldra]] ([[User talk:Huldra|talk]]) 20:16, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

References exactly as given in Petersen, 2002,  p.298 (in bold): 
*'''Baedeker 1876, 289''' Palestine and Syria: Handbook for Travellers (1876) (not online?) [http://www.archive.org/details/palestineandsyr00benzgoog Palestine and Syria: Handbook for Travellers (1894)]  ---> ???
:: From a [http://books.google.com.au/books?id=qoIDAAAAQAAJ&q=Tayyibeh#search_anchor snippet], I see it is the one on p144 of the 1894 edition.  It is somewhere to the south or south east of Hebron, neither this one nor [[Taybeh]].  Note that the 1894 edition has 6 different "Tayyibeh"s in the index and it isn't clear that any of them is this one. [[User:Zero0000|Zero]]<sup><small>[[User_talk:Zero0000|talk]]</small></sup> 23:10, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
*'''[[James Silk Buckingham| Buckingham]] 1821, [http://www.archive.org/stream/travelsinpalest01buckgoog#page/n151/mode/2up  114], [http://www.archive.org/stream/travelsinpalest01buckgoog#page/n175/mode/2up 139], map facing 1;'''   ---> ???

**vol 1, 1822: [http://www.archive.org/stream/travelsinpalest03buckgoog#page/n164/mode/2up  114] [http://www.archive.org/stream/travelsinpalest03buckgoog#page/n188/mode/2up 139]
**vol 2, 1822: [http://www.archive.org/stream/travelsinpalest04buckgoog#page/n120/mode/2up 114]  [http://www.archive.org/stream/travelsinpalest04buckgoog#page/n146/mode/2up 139] : 
***Note: in the Bibliography, the ref  is given as "Buckingham, J. S. (1821) Travels in Palestine, 2 vols, Longmans, London" But: I can only find a one-vol. 1821-edtition. It looks as if the 2-vol-edition first came in 1822. And I cannot find anything relevant in any version. Nor is it mentioned in the [http://www.archive.org/stream/travelsinpalest01buckgoog#page/n595/mode/2up index].
*<s>'''[[Charles Simon Clermont-Ganneau|Clermont-Ganneau]], ''[http://www.archive.org/details/archaeologicalre02cler ARP],'' II, [http://www.archive.org/stream/archaeologicalre02cler#page/280/mode/1up  280], [http://www.archive.org/stream/archaeologicalre02cler#page/293/mode/1up  293], [http://www.archive.org/stream/archaeologicalre02cler#page/295/mode/1up  295]-[http://www.archive.org/stream/archaeologicalre02cler#page/298/mode/1up  298], [http://www.archive.org/stream/archaeologicalre02cler#page/490/mode/1up  490]'''</s>    --> [[Taybeh]], West Bank, except p.490, which is nothing; only listed in [http://www.archive.org/stream/archaeologicalre02cler#page/503/mode/1up "general index"](!)  
*'''Cohen  1965, 11'''   ---> ???
*'''Orni in [[Encyclopaedia Judaica|EJ]], XV, 874'''  --> ???
*<s>'''[[Victor Guérin|Guérin]]  ''[http://www.archive.org/details/descriptionsam01gu  Samarie]'', I  [http://www.archive.org/stream/descriptionsam01gu#page/206/mode/2up 206-207]'''</s>  --> [[Taybeh]], West Bank
**  '''[http://www.archive.org/details/descriptiongogr04gugoog  II] p. [http://www.archive.org/stream/descriptiongogr04gugoog#page/n377/mode/1up 352]''' --->  OK!!
**It looks as if the refs were taken from the index, p. [http://www.archive.org/stream/descriptiongogr04gugoog#page/n462/mode/1up 435]
*<s>'''HG, 157, 160''' </s>  --->  two Muslim villages, not yet identified (?)  This should be p.141.  [[Taybeh]], West Bank, is  p.  116.  [[Taibe, Galilee]], is 157
:: A Tayyibe appears on each of those pages, but this one is on p141 (but pls see the question on my talk page so we can be sure). [[User:Zero0000|Zero]]<sup><small>[[User_talk:Zero0000|talk]]</small></sup> 23:26, 15 November 2011 (UTC) 
*'''Ibn al-Furat ed Lyons and Lyons, I, 101; II, 80;'''  (1971): Ayyubids, Mamluks and Crusaders: Selections from the Tarikh al-duwal wa-l-muluk of Ibn al-Furat.   ---> ???
*<s>'''McCown 1923, [http://www.jstor.org/stable/3768451?seq=20  66], [http://www.jstor.org/stable/3768451?seq=33 Pl.22]'''  McCown, C.  (1923) Muslim Shrines in Palestine. AASOR (=Annual of the American Schools of Oriental Research), 2-3, pp 47-79 </s>--->  looks like  [[Taybeh]], West Bank, 
*'''MPF, 27 No.19, 44  No.62;'''  =MPF: Ipsirli and al-Tamimi (1982): The Muslim Pious Foundations and Real Estates in Palestine. Gazza, Al-Quds al-Sharif, Nablus and Ajlun Districts according to 16th-Century Ottoman Tahrir Registers, Organisation of Islamic Conference, Istanbul 1402/1982  --> ??
*'''[[Edward Henry Palmer|Palmer]] 1881,  [http://www.archive.org/stream/surveyofwesternp00conduoft#page/193/mode/1up 193]'''   --->  OK
*'''''[http://www.archive.org/details/surveyofwesternp02conduoft SWP],''  II,    [http://www.archive.org/stream/surveyofwesternp02conduoft#page/166/mode/1up 166]   (map XI)'''   ---> OK

== notable residents ==

wow - zero says that this is not about this article and huldra says that it is not notable because the city has been around for centuries.  huh? a terrorist bomber is quite notable, hardly a mundane affair. why are you trying to hide it? i agree that it doesn't have to be in the history section, but it is certainly part of those notable residents (all of whom are just since the 1948 creation of the state of israel....).  so, barring any real reasons for not including this, we will include it:

*The suspect in custody of the [[Operation_Pillar_of_Cloud#21_November|November 21, 2012 Tel Aviv bus bombing]], was originally from [[Beit Liqya]] but had been granted residence in Israel under the [[Citizenship and Entry into Israel Law]], and was living with his family in Tayibe. The man used his employer's car to gain access to [[Tel Aviv]].<ref>[http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/israel-arrests-hamas-islamic-jihad-cell-behind-tel-aviv-bus-bomb-1.479958 Israel arrests Hamas, Islamic Jihad cell behind Tel Aviv bus bomb]</ref><ref>[http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4310735,00.html Shin Bet arrests Tel Aviv bus bombing suspects]</ref><ref>http://www.jpost.com/Headlines/Article.aspx?id=293187</ref>

:: There is only an incidental connection between the bus bombing and the town.  It is not a notable feature of the town.  So it doesn't belong. [[User:Zero0000|Zero]]<sup><small>[[User_talk:Zero0000|talk]]</small></sup> 09:28, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

:::is there only an 'incidental connection' between ahmed tibi and the town?

:::: I don't much like these "famous residents" sections.  But Tibi is a famous person, even outside Israel.  Not remotely like someone whose name you didn't even know. [[User:Zero0000|Zero]]<sup><small>[[User_talk:Zero0000|talk]]</small></sup> 11:20, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

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== Geographical position ==
The first sentence says it is east of Kfar Saba. When I look at the map I see that it is no way to the east, more like the north.

== External links modified ==

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