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== User:Yaniv256 not getting a clue over Talk Page guidelines ==
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New editor Yaniv256 started a discussion on Talk:Mizar system which he has transformed into an offputting mess for other editors, violating various guidelines in the process. This was [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yaniv256&diff=503998397&oldid=503918256 explained in detail] on his talk page but he dismissed the explanation out of hand. I then [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yaniv256&diff=504015184&oldid=504000951 explained further] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Mizar_system&diff=504014441&oldid=504004575 tried fixing the problems], but my changes [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Mizar_system&diff=504016176&oldid=504014441 were reverted] (the [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Mizar_system&diff=504022298&oldid=504021252 second time] without explanation) and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yaniv256&diff=504017797&oldid=504015184 my points dismissed]. I know Yaniv256's a new editor need to AGF but the rate and nature of their edits makes them very difficult to deal with.--<small>[[User:JohnBlackburne|JohnBlackburne]]</small><sup>[[User_talk:JohnBlackburne|words]]</sup><sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;">[[Special:Contributions/JohnBlackburne|deeds]]</sub> 01:49, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
*The report is correct, and I have restored the talk page to an earlier version as putting labels in front of other people's comments is not how things are done. I also tried to explain at the user's talk. [[User:Johnuniq|Johnuniq]] ([[User talk:Johnuniq|talk]]) 02:16, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for taking the time to review my case. The readers are advised that they are taking part in my execution of a Reality Change in the spirit of Asimov's [[The End of Eternity|End of Eternity]]. [[User:Yaniv256|Yaniv256]] ([[User talk:Yaniv256|talk]]) 05:29, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

:And with that response, a block per [[WP:NOTHERE]] seems a formality. Welcome to Wikipedia's reality... [[User:AndyTheGrump|AndyTheGrump]] ([[User talk:AndyTheGrump|talk]]) 05:43, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
::And invoking "Not here to build an encyclopedia" just because the guy is a little different is not very much in keeping with having a positive civil attitude or good faith. I've left the guy a comment explaining that Talk page guidelines exist for a reason and until he gets local consensus for them to change at [[Mizar system]], he'll have to make do. After all, if people can firgure out a better Talk page protocol that works for them, I say by all means, give it a shot. But not until they have at least honored the existing protocol. -- [[User:Avanu|Avanu]] ([[User talk:Avanu|talk]]) 05:59, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
:::Please check Yaniv256's edit history (and read Azimov). This isn't just about talk page guidelines. Still, If you think it is better to AGF until the blindingly obvious occurs, ok. But be advised that you are taking part in the usual reality-not-changing when dealing with 'contributors' who decide that mere communication is beneath them when they have discovered the secret of the universe, or some other paradigm-shifting techno-woo. Yaniv256 seems to be promoting something called the [[Mizar system]], which going by its Wikipedia article would need no further promotion - the article does this all on its own. Maybe it ''is'' going to result in a 'reality change' - but I'd not hold my breath, given the fact that the sole claim to verifiable notability seems to be that "Papers related to the Mizar system regularly appear in the peer-reviewed journals of the formal mathematics academic community" - and such "peer-reviewed journals" feature Wikipedia articles largely written by no less a contributor than, er, Yaniv256... [[User:AndyTheGrump|AndyTheGrump]] ([[User talk:AndyTheGrump|talk]]) 06:32, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
:::P.S. I'd also recommend a brief perusal of [[Talk:Mizar system: Revision history]]: Yaniv256 seems to have been holding a debate with him/herself... [[User:AndyTheGrump|AndyTheGrump]] ([[User talk:AndyTheGrump|talk]]) 06:46, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
::::I certainly do hope his reality changes soon, or I think it will be changed for him. --[[User:Avanu|Avanu]] ([[User talk:Avanu|talk]]) 07:00, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
:::::"It is fun to have fun but you have to know how" [[User:Yaniv256|Yaniv256]] ([[User talk:Yaniv256|talk]]) 19:40, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
::::::Then we saw him pick up all the things that were down. He picked up the cake, And the rake, And the gown, And the milk, and the strings, And the books, and the dish, And the fan, and the cup, And the ship, and the fish. And he put them away. Then he said, "That is that." And then he was gone, with the tip of his hat. -- [[User:Avanu|Avanu]] ([[User talk:Avanu|talk]]) 19:59, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

::Note to reader: the book title "Merely a formality." is up for grabs. [[User:Yaniv256|Yaniv256]] ([[User talk:Yaniv256|talk]]) 10:00, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Please AGF and don't bite the newbies.  I'm not a Mizar user but I have some familiarity with its subject area and with some comparable software, which is specialized.  I've looked at some of Yaniv256's edits to the article and they appear well-intended and reasonably sane in terms of content, and though I haven't checked enough to make an overall assessment, the accusation of NHBE looks plain inappropriate to me.  I'd like to welcome Yaniv256 to Wikipedia and invite him/her to join [[WP:Wikiproject Mathematics]].  Yaniv, the place to propose something like adding extensive Mizar links to existing math articles would be at the math wikiproject (specifically [[WT:WPM]]).  I personally don't think adding tons of those links is a great idea but that's just me.  In some cases where a formalization is really notable, like Gonthier's formalization of the four-color theorem, it's worth mentioning directly in the article rather than as an extlink, but I would say most routine formalizations are only of interest to formalization buffs who know where to find them.  Also (e.g. in the Mizar article), rather than making 100's of tiny edits, it's better to do bigger chunks of work and write them out as single edits.  You'll get used to all of this if you stay around.  [[Special:Contributions/67.117.146.199|67.117.146.199]] ([[User talk:67.117.146.199|talk]]) 07:28, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
:Good idea, but Yaniv256 put a notice at [[WT:WikiProject Mathematics#Mizar system external links discussion]] many hours before this report at ANI started. The report concerned an incident over refactoring of an article talk page, but the matter is currently resolved. [[User:Johnuniq|Johnuniq]] ([[User talk:Johnuniq|talk]]) 07:41, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
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== The land of Talk ==
{{discussion top|Ironically closing per [[WP:NOTAFORUM]].  This isn't an incident or an ANI matter [[User:Saedon|<font color="#000000">Sædon]]<sup>[[User talk:Saedon|talk]]</sup></font> 08:07, 26 July 2012 (UTC)}}Given my recent experience in your strange land, I am troubled by a question. Allow me to pose the question in the terms of a fable.

The Gods of Wikipedia crated it blank. They wanted it free. They wanted the Great White to fill up with the war cries and laughter of children play. So, they made it in their image.

And they opened the gates and invited us in. And we came. And we liked it. And we liked it a lot. And they smiled upon us and appointed the most thoughtful and devoted to the role of admin and made them rule supreme.

And then they were done. And then joy and hope flowed from the Source and filled the Great White with the endless manifestations of what it is to human and good.

But across the river laid a peculiar land. The gods named it the Talk and left it as such. But we didn't like it. We didn't like it too much. We wanted a forum, as plain as can be. But they didn't listen and they didn't see.

And so my question is this: Are the Gods blind? Do they not see that the only thing that grows in the Talk is a forum? And malnourished and twisted at that. Are they deaf? Do they not hear the suffering cries of the admin. Laboring day-in-and-out, in-the-scorching-Great-White? Are they impotent, too powerless to rise a hand and apply a patch to a bleeding wound? Are they indifferent? Ravishing shamelessly in the free lunch bestowed? Too rich to care? Or are they mad? Possessed by a thought. Whispering in the night. You wait. You will see. No one knows what will be. [[User:Yaniv256|Yaniv256]] ([[User talk:Yaniv256|talk]]) 07:48, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
:That must have been [[Fable 2]] because it doesn't at all sound like the plot to Fable 1 or 3.  Unfortunately I never played Fable 2 because it never came out for the PC.  That really annoyed me because the original Fable was one of my favorite games.  I was once more disappointed by Fable 3 as I found it to be a very boring game.  It just goes to show that a sequel is never as good as the original (Empire Strikes Back excepted, obviously).  *Cough* You were saying something about talk pages being forums?  [[User:Saedon|<font color="#000000">Sædon]]<sup>[[User talk:Saedon|talk]]</sup></font> 07:56, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
:Are you trying to say something about [[Talk:Mizar system]]? If yes, what are you trying to say? —'''[[User:Kusma|Kusma]]''' ([[User talk:Kusma|t]]·[[Special:Contributions/Kusma|c]]) 08:02, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
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== RM backlog escape  ==
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{{resolved|closed now, but still plenty of stuff in the backlog. [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox|talk]]) 18:56, 13 August 2012 (UTC)}}
The editors on [[2007–2012 global financial crisis]] have an [[ Talk:2007–2012 global financial crisis#How about "Global financial crisis of 2008"?|RM]] that is stuck in [[Wikipedia:Requested moves#Backlog]] limbo for almost a week. The page is kind of a high profile one so some favoritism seems in order. I'm posting this request here following a referal from the teahouse. [[User:Yaniv256|&rarr;Yaniv256]]<sup> [[User_talk:Yaniv256|talk]]</sup><sub> [[Special:Contributions/Yaniv256|contribs]]</sub> 18:34, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
:Is there a form I can fill to get this thing going? [[User:Yaniv256|&rarr;Yaniv256]]<sup> [[User_talk:Yaniv256|talk]]</sup><sub> [[Special:Contributions/Yaniv256|contribs]]</sub> 00:30, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
::Just trying to get some attention here. [[User:Yaniv256|&rarr;Yaniv256]]<sup> [[User_talk:Yaniv256|talk]]</sup><sub> [[Special:Contributions/Yaniv256|contribs]]</sub> 01:44, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

*I'd recommend posting at [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Requests for closure]], if you haven't done so already. ''Patience, Grasshopper....'' ~~ [[User:Lothar von Richthofen|Lothar von Richthofen]] ([[User talk:Lothar von Richthofen|talk]]) 01:47, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
::Are you sure? Because, a) It's an RM, not some general discussion and is already in the proper backlog, and b) There is only one poster in ''Requests for closure'', suggesting it is effectively deserted. Do you have any other ideas? [[User:Yaniv256|&rarr;Yaniv256]]<sup> [[User_talk:Yaniv256|talk]]</sup><sub> [[Special:Contributions/Yaniv256|contribs]]</sub> 02:09, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
:::Eh, getting more exposure wouldn't hurt. Maybe drop a line at [[WP:AN/I]] as well. Not within the scope of the board, yes, but at least it'll have a chance of being seen (even if only to be turned away officially there). ~~ [[User:Lothar von Richthofen|Lothar von Richthofen]] ([[User talk:Lothar von Richthofen|talk]]) 02:12, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
::::Thanks, but it is not important enough for me to get disruptive. The teahouse sent me here and for now I'll stay. While we are on the topic of getting admin attention, did you ever consider the fact that the first hit on a google search of ''bureaucracy'' is a Wikipedia page? [[User:Yaniv256|&rarr;Yaniv256]]<sup> [[User_talk:Yaniv256|talk]]</sup><sub> [[Special:Contributions/Yaniv256|contribs]]</sub> 02:29, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
:::::W/e, not too worried about it. Just another system to learn the ins, outs, shortcuts, and hidden passages of. Ain't that life.... ~~ [[User:Lothar von Richthofen|Lothar von Richthofen]] ([[User talk:Lothar von Richthofen|talk]]) 03:04, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

The following is addressed only at the 1,465 members of the admin class: What is wrong with you people? This is a clear consensus routine RM execution on a high profile page. You don't even bother to look? You sure seem to enjoy executing your powers in other cases, why not this one? No chance of block implies no fun? As an economist this is quite clear to me, without incentives there is no reason to expect effort. As a humen being I can't help but be somewhat disappointed and find the loops you guys jump through to protect your lifetime appointments quite tasteless. And please don't answer me. I am not here looking to make conversation. Just get the job done! [[User:Yaniv256|&rarr;Yaniv256]]<sup> [[User_talk:Yaniv256|talk]]</sup><sub> [[Special:Contributions/Yaniv256|contribs]]</sub> 05:00, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
:Be patient, mon - this has been here but a day. Someone will get to it when they get to it, and even though there is a pretty chart, anyone actually closing the discussion would still need to look at the actual comments and read through the thing themselves. This takes time, and that there is a backlog of these requests in general is evidence of that, but they do get done. Meantime why not go poke some other backlog youself?  -— [[User:Isarra|Isarra]] [[User talk:Isarra|༆]] 06:07, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
*And being abusive to people (who are all volunteers) is really not an effective way of asking them to help you. -- [[User:Boing! said Zebedee|Boing! said Zebedee]] ([[User talk:Boing! said Zebedee|talk]]) 08:36, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
*Well, I went ahead and closed the discussion. Have spent a week trying to avoid doing so (who needs grief and, for Yaniv256, a 'slow to close discussion' usually implies that admins are trying to avoid grief) but somebody's gotta do it. --[[User:RegentsPark|regentspark]] <small>([[User talk:RegentsPark|comment]])</small> 13:37, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
::Thank you for taking the initiative. Action was needed. I am just curious about one thing, is there any particular reason why you considered participating in the debate inappropriate? [[User:Yaniv256|&rarr;Yaniv256]]<sup> [[User_talk:Yaniv256|talk]]</sup><sub> [[Special:Contributions/Yaniv256|contribs]]</sub> 16:09, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
::: No, action was '''not''' "needed".  Last time I checked there was a queue of over 200 RM's waiting to be closed.  Articles can still be edited whether they have the consensus-based title or not, so an RM is not an urgent action.  Nobody's RM is any more important than anyone else's RM.  Because there's no time limit on editing or renaming articles, patience is indeed a virtue.  Using up your "get out of jail free" card on an RM was a waste <span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:EatsShootsAndLeaves|<font style="color:#ffffff;background:black;">dangerous</font>]][[User talk:EatsShootsAndLeaves|<font style="color:#000000;background:white;">panda</font>]]</span> 17:55, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
::::Is that what I used? I was positive I put my [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents‎#Request for 24-hour block of User:Yaniv256|"get ''into'' jail free"]] card on the table, but have been known to err in such matters. [[User:Yaniv256|&rarr;Yaniv256]]<sup> [[User_talk:Yaniv256|talk]]</sup><sub> [[Special:Contributions/Yaniv256|contribs]]</sub> 20:05, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
::::: Yeah, that was a pretty dumb way to draw attention to the very non-urgent RM...you ''did'' almost get blocked for that, and rightly so.  <span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:EatsShootsAndLeaves|<font style="color:#ffffff;background:black;">dangerous</font>]][[User talk:EatsShootsAndLeaves|<font style="color:#000000;background:white;">panda</font>]]</span> 19:08, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
::::::In my calculation if I got blocked that would only be good for me as it would clear my mind from the obsession to try and change that which seems wrong and mutable, but carries no private benefits for the reformer. Is that line of thinking truly alien to you? [[User:Yaniv256|&rarr;Yaniv256]]<sup> [[User_talk:Yaniv256|talk]]</sup><sub> [[Special:Contributions/Yaniv256|contribs]]</sub> 19:29, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
::::::: Requesting your own block in order to draw attention to a non-urgent RM situation was [[WP:POINT|disrupting Wikipedia to make a point]], which you can note often carries an indefinite block <span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:EatsShootsAndLeaves|<font style="color:#ffffff;background:black;">dangerous</font>]][[User talk:EatsShootsAndLeaves|<font style="color:#000000;background:white;">panda</font>]]</span> 19:36, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
::::::::Again, in my calculation even an indef block has possible downside only for Wikipedia. I, personally, have much to gain from such a "sanction". It will be a prize I have not yet earned, but a prize nonetheless. If I ever switch sides and claim that it is good for me to be here, please call the doctor because I havn't been taking my meds. [[User:Yaniv256|&rarr;Yaniv256]]<sup> [[User_talk:Yaniv256|talk]]</sup><sub> [[Special:Contributions/Yaniv256|contribs]]</sub> 20:06, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
:::::::::If you don't want to be here, the solution is quite simple: '''''go away'''''.  There's no requirement that you edit Wikipedia. In the meantime, '''''stop fucking around'''''. [[User:Beyond My Ken|Beyond My Ken]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken|talk]]) 04:19, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Ok, lets start from the basics. Please read the following with long long pauses, in the voice of your father, if he loved you, or your mother, if she did. What, in your view, is the proper notion of duty? Does it mean anything at all? Where are your duties? Would it be common for a duty to be pleasant and win one many friends? Does one often stand to gain personally from fulfilling his duties? Who defines your duties? What would happen if you disregard your duty? And finally, since it is likely that people like Hitler and Stalin operated under a strong sense of duty, how do you make sure that you are not making similar errors when carrying out your duty? [[User:Yaniv256|&rarr;Yaniv256]]<sup> [[User_talk:Yaniv256|talk]]</sup><sub> [[Special:Contributions/Yaniv256|contribs]]</sub> 05:46, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
* Enough, please. [[User:Black Kite|Black Kite]] ([[User talk:Black Kite|talk]]) 08:24, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
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== Request for 24-hour block of User:Yaniv256 ==

{{archive top|No need for any action here -- [[User:Boing! said Zebedee|Boing! said Zebedee]] ([[User talk:Boing! said Zebedee|talk]]) 16:39, 13 August 2012 (UTC)}}
[[User:Yaniv256]] has been canvasing [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mike_Cline&diff=prev&oldid=506765196 here] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions&diff=prev&oldid=507066259 here] for what he claims is a ''move'' consensus in [[Talk:2007–2012 global financial crisis#How about "Global financial crisis of 2008"?|his pet RM]]. His efforts largely ignored, he has turned to an escalating pattern of disruptive talk page posting, [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=507077131 here], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=507107292 here], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=507109037 here], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=507114136 here], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=507123664 here], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions&diff=prev&oldid=507128700 here] and especially [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=507115915 here], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=507132349 here], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=507137161 here], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=507152510 here]. Given this user past incidents, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive761#The_land_of_Talk here] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive761#User:Yaniv256_not_getting_a_clue_over_Talk_Page_guidelines here], I believe a 24-hour block would allow him to cool down and due process to take its natural course. [[User:Yaniv256|&rarr;Yaniv256]]<sup> [[User_talk:Yaniv256|talk]]</sup><sub> [[Special:Contributions/Yaniv256|contribs]]</sub> 06:27, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
:Blocks applied solely for the purpose of cooling down a disgruntled editor [[WP:COOLDOWN|are not permitted]], as they tend to exacerbate situations rather than diffusing them. But given the circumstances, I'm sure plenty of people would be happy to entertain your request, notwithstanding the obligatory "WTF". [[User:Kurtis|Kurtis]] ([[User talk:Kurtis|talk]]) 08:07, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
*I'm not sure if I'm missing something here, but is this you, Yaniv256, asking for a block on yourself? -- [[User:Boing! said Zebedee|Boing! said Zebedee]] ([[User talk:Boing! said Zebedee|talk]]) 08:25, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
::Either he's made a monumental  newbie booby or he should be looking to do more content work. Close this - I  can't  see anything for more admins to waste their time on here. [[User:Kudpung|Kudpung กุดผึ้ง]] ([[User talk:Kudpung|talk]]) 09:10, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

::: Something's not right with the editor alright ... their behaviour [[Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion.2FControversies_at_the_2012_Summer_Olympics|here]] was bizarre, and definitely not policy-based <span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:EatsShootsAndLeaves|<font style="color:#ffffff;background:black;">dangerous</font>]][[User talk:EatsShootsAndLeaves|<font style="color:#000000;background:white;">panda</font>]]</span> 09:18, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
::::I ask this as a rhetorical question &mdash; is that link even necessary? Their behaviour ''here'' was bizarre, and definitely not policy-based. [[User:Kurtis|Kurtis]] ([[User talk:Kurtis|talk]]) 09:45, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
::::: Rhetorical or not, providing additional proof (or as we like to call "references" on articles) is never a bad thing <span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:EatsShootsAndLeaves|<font style="color:#ffffff;background:black;">dangerous</font>]][[User talk:EatsShootsAndLeaves|<font style="color:#000000;background:white;">panda</font>]]</span> 11:16, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
::::::Hence my use of the term "rhetorical"; the reference you've provided gave broader context into this user's behaviour patterns, despite the fact that their posting here was enough to convince anybody that something about this editor is ''off''. Maybe I should have phrased it differently, as I had no intention of debasing your contributions to this section. [[User:Kurtis|Kurtis]] ([[User talk:Kurtis|talk]]) 11:39, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
::::Could the account have been compromised? Maybe we should do him the favour and block for more than 24 hours. [[User:De728631|De728631]] ([[User talk:De728631|talk]]) 09:58, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
:::::Doesn't appear to be compromised - I've asked the editor on their talk page to explain what's going on. [[User:GiantSnowman|Giant]][[User talk:GiantSnowman|Snowman]] 10:13, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
::::::By sheer coincidence, I was posting the very same thing on their talk page at the exact same time, which is why the subsection I added came less than a minute after yours. [[User:Kurtis|Kurtis]] ([[User talk:Kurtis|talk]]) 10:16, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
:::::::No harm done! [[User:GiantSnowman|Giant]][[User talk:GiantSnowman|Snowman]] 11:54, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I requested a block of myself, but I don't see how this is relevant. The fact is that my actions were disruptive. In fact, this very post is disruptive, if only by disrupting Wikipedia to make a point. Why don't you guys follow proper procedure and execute whatever sanctions you deem fit? [[User:Yaniv256|&rarr;Yaniv256]]<sup> [[User_talk:Yaniv256|talk]]</sup><sub> [[Special:Contributions/Yaniv256|contribs]]</sub> 15:25, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
:Yaniv, I must ask you, is this intended as some sort of public spectacle to attract attention? I ask this because &mdash; and I'm not pulling any punches here &mdash; this whole situation is batshit ''strange''. [[User:Kurtis|Kurtis]] ([[User talk:Kurtis|talk]]) 15:37, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
::Unfortunately, I believe it can all be summed up with this [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=507152510 edit]. [[User:Calmer Waters|<span style="color:black">'''''Calmer'''''</span>]] [[User talk:Calmer Waters|<span style="color:Blue">'''''Waters'''''</span>]] 15:44, 13 August 2012 (UTC) <small>link fix [[User:Calmer Waters|<span style="color:black">'''''Calmer'''''</span>]] [[User talk:Calmer Waters|<span style="color:Blue">'''''Waters'''''</span>]] 15:54, 13 August 2012 (UTC)</small>
:::Calmer Waters - that's the diff for the original post. What are we meant to be seeing that's new / enlightening? [[User:GiantSnowman|Giant]][[User talk:GiantSnowman|Snowman]] 15:47, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
::::fixed. Had the copied the wrong indexing. Thank GS [[User:Calmer Waters|<span style="color:black">'''''Calmer'''''</span>]] [[User talk:Calmer Waters|<span style="color:Blue">'''''Waters'''''</span>]] 15:54, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
:::::Thanks for clarifying - but I'm still no wiser {{smiley}} [[User:GiantSnowman|Giant]][[User talk:GiantSnowman|Snowman]] 15:56, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
::::::He apparently believes that unless a block is involved, admins are not interested in taking any quick actions (ie. the RM). Sooo he presented a block option to advance our attention on this. [[User:Calmer Waters|<span style="color:black">'''''Calmer'''''</span>]] [[User talk:Calmer Waters|<span style="color:Blue">'''''Waters'''''</span>]] 16:02, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
:::::::Aha. Well it ain't worked. [[User:GiantSnowman|Giant]][[User talk:GiantSnowman|Snowman]] 16:05, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
::::::::Looks to me like Yaniv256 just got a bit snarky out of frustration - it's no big deal, and no action needed. Time to close this. -- [[User:Boing! said Zebedee|Boing! said Zebedee]] ([[User talk:Boing! said Zebedee|talk]]) 16:32, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
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== User:Beyond My Ken ==

{{archive top|result=Since I can't find the insult in that comment either, guess I will close this per OP.  [[User:Dennis Brown|<b>Dennis Brown</b>]] - [[User talk:Dennis Brown|<small>2&cent;</small>]]  [[Special:Contributions/Dennis_Brown|<small>&copy;</small>]]  <small><b>[[WP:WikiProject Editor Retention|Join WER]]</b></small> 02:08, 16 August 2012 (UTC)}}
I'd like to report the following PA and BITE by  [[User:Beyond My Ken]]: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=507586866]. [[User:Yaniv256|&rarr;Yaniv256]]<sup> [[User_talk:Yaniv256|talk]]</sup><sub> [[Special:Contributions/Yaniv256|contribs]]</sub> 00:15, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
:Certainly not a personal attack. -[[User:Djsasso|DJSasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 00:27, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
::DJSasso, are you saying that because you believe that if A says to B that "''it is interesting to ask if '''B''' has DNA that shows the signs of recombination under a trade of earthly pleasure for monetary gain''" then this is not a PA, or are you saying that because you think that until we know that B is not indeed the son of a prostitute and a client, anyone can get away with talking to him this way? [[User:Yaniv256|&rarr;Yaniv256]]<sup> [[User_talk:Yaniv256|talk]]</sup><sub> [[Special:Contributions/Yaniv256|contribs]]</sub> 00:52, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

:There is nothing wrong with that comment. Please just proceed doing good things and show there is no problem. [[User:Johnuniq|Johnuniq]] ([[User talk:Johnuniq|talk]]) 00:48, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
::Johnuniq, would you be surprised to learn that I believe that asking the community to inform BMK that he is expected to apologize, is a good thing, mostly for BMK, but also for Wikipedia? You and I know how easy it is to apologize when learn you hurt someone. BMK needs to learn that too. All I ask is that you do not stand in his way. [[User:Yaniv256|&rarr;Yaniv256]]<sup> [[User_talk:Yaniv256|talk]]</sup><sub> [[Special:Contributions/Yaniv256|contribs]]</sub> 01:30, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
:::Yaniv256, you need to be informed that BMK did not make a personal attack against you. --'''[[User:Rschen7754|Rs]][[User talk:Rschen7754|chen]][[Special:Contributions/Rschen7754|7754]]''' 01:32, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
::::If you really think that then he was able to administer an insult right over your head. Intelligent people tend to use that trick to get away with talking dirty, and derive quite a bit of fun from it. I do not know BMK, but his user page suggests that he is very intelligent and a guy I would probably like quite a bit, if he bothered to be nice to me. [[User:Yaniv256|&rarr;Yaniv256]]<sup> [[User_talk:Yaniv256|talk]]</sup><sub> [[Special:Contributions/Yaniv256|contribs]]</sub> 01:47, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
:::::Three other editors have now agreed that there was no personal attack. This sounds like a case of [[WP:IDHT]]. --'''[[User:Rschen7754|Rs]][[User talk:Rschen7754|chen]][[Special:Contributions/Rschen7754|7754]]''' 01:51, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
::::::Fine. I yield. Case closed. [[User:Yaniv256|&rarr;Yaniv256]]<sup> [[User_talk:Yaniv256|talk]]</sup><sub> [[Special:Contributions/Yaniv256|contribs]]</sub> 02:02, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
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== [[2007–2012 global financial crisis]] ==
{{archive top|Yaniv256 [[WP:BOOMERANG|is now blocked]], and isn't contesting "trying to get admins to provide some attention to the financial crisis RM case using troll-like behavior". [[User:Thumperward|Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward)]] ([[User talk:Thumperward|talk]]) 07:25, 20 August 2012 (UTC)}}

Someone needs to come down to [[Talk:2007–2012 global financial crisis]] and [[User talk:RegentsPark]] ''before'' references to [[wp:admin]] and [[wp:own]] are going to fly around. [[User:Yaniv256|&rarr;Yaniv256]]<sup> [[User_talk:Yaniv256|talk]]</sup><sub> [[Special:Contributions/Yaniv256|contribs]]</sub> 19:07, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
:A discussion regarding the form of the title was had at [[Talk:2007–2012 global financial crisis]]; [[User:RegentsPark]] closed it, more or less properly. However, advocates of a new title don't accept it and continue to agitate, both on [[Talk:2007–2012 global financial crisis]] and [[User talk:RegentsPark]]. They can cite a number of statements in the popular press which refer to the "financial crisis of 2008." [[User:Fred Bauder]] [[User talk:Fred Bauder|Talk]] 19:23, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
::I have kept my post here rather vague, exactly because ''this'' crisis, spanning some ''11'' sections up to  now, over at least two talk pages and two admin noticeboards, has a simple solution that does not require any understanding in economic affairs, only Wikipedia policy. I could bring hard evidence to the table, but choose not to do so, for now, due to my respect to the good work that RegentsPark and Fred carry out on a day to day basis. [[User:Yaniv256|&rarr;Yaniv256]]<sup> [[User_talk:Yaniv256|talk]]</sup><sub> [[Special:Contributions/Yaniv256|contribs]]</sub> 19:47, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
:::Yaniv256, I encourage you to bring hard evidence for any fault you see with my close and my good faith reopening of the move discussion here. I'm not a big fan of insinuations and much prefer to see any faults of mine aired rather than letting them remain hidden, particularly when I don't see them myself. --[[User:RegentsPark|regentspark]] <small>([[User talk:RegentsPark|comment]])</small> 19:52, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
::::RegentsPark, any evidence I had regarding you is already documented [[User talk:RegentsPark#RM close review|on your talk page]]. I have no further evidence to bring to your case. [[User:Yaniv256|&rarr;Yaniv256]]<sup> [[User_talk:Yaniv256|talk]]</sup><sub> [[Special:Contributions/Yaniv256|contribs]]</sub> 20:08, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
:::::Sorry, I was mistaken. There is that detail that has brought my post here. In my view, due to [[wp:coi]] RegentsPark should not have asked us all to [[Talk:2007–2012 global financial crisis#RM on hold|repeat our arguments for his benefit]]. This demand has been excessive and led to a waste of editor energy that would be otherwise directed at improving articles. But further, as we have already complied with that demand, a move seems in order, and it is not clear to me why he would want to delay. Fred had already posted in other sections, and had ample opportunity to bring evidence to that RM review. [[User:Yaniv256|&rarr;Yaniv256]]<sup> [[User_talk:Yaniv256|talk]]</sup><sub> [[Special:Contributions/Yaniv256|contribs]]</sub> 21:01, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

::::::Also, and I do hope I will have nothing to add after this, there is that issue with [[wp:retain]]. That policy was specifically written to deal with English variety title disputes. It favors the Status Que on the assumption that the name dispute has no real significance for Wikipedia. As I understand, RM closers in the past have chosen to stretch that policy to all name disputes. I had a pretty long discussion about this issue at [[Wikipedia talk:Requested moves#managing repeated "no consensus" decisions|talk:Requested moves]], suggesting that it is rather in consensus that [[wp:retain]] can and should be used when the possible improvement in the name seems minor, but not when it may have non-trivial implications, either for Wikipedia or the outside world. 

::::::If we want to only count the amount of disruption this prolonged dispute has caused, I believe that one can easily see that [[wp:retain]] does not, and should not hold in such cases. Bottom line: even if RegentsPark is right and there was no consensus on that 10-2 RM, still there is no policy basis to conclude that the Status Que is the outcome favored by Wikipedia policy, and one would have to suggest why, the hell, would we want to favor the Status Que in such a case. [[User:Yaniv256|&rarr;Yaniv256]]<sup> [[User_talk:Yaniv256|talk]]</sup><sub> [[Special:Contributions/Yaniv256|contribs]]</sub> 21:59, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

:::To get to a the central point... RegentsPark closed a RM discussion with a "no consensus" when 10 out of 12 users favored a move and 10 out of 12 supported an alternative title. Obviously these discussions are not based on consensus not votes, but an admin needs a really strong reason to ignore such a one-sided breakdown in supports/oppositions. Several of us don't accept RegentPark's rationale on this and another admin should review this.--[[User:Bkwillwm|Bkwillwm]] ([[User talk:Bkwillwm|talk]]) 20:10, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
::::I just wanted to add one more thing after reviewing the talk page for this article. RegentsPark based his decision on the article title on his own rationale that we should cover all possible years that might be associated with the crisis. No one else made this argument. This was his own point of view, and he imposed it over the consensus.--[[User:Bkwillwm|Bkwillwm]] ([[User talk:Bkwillwm|talk]]) 03:54, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
::::Like Bkwillm, I was pretty stunned when, what looked to me like a straight-forward !vote of 10-2 was apparently ignored. But I'd like to say the even though User:Yaniv256 is clearly a very knowledgable editor with his heart in the right place, he is a bit of a newbie and somewhat excitable (but don't worry, he'll get over it).  I've discussed this with RegentsPark, and what I think happened is that he just missed it.  A fastball right down the middle of the plate, and somehow he called a ball, high and outside. I suppose everybody misses a few, but he kindly agreed to review the close of the RM and ask editors for clarification of their positions.  I now sympathize greatly with RP.  When asked for clarification, they (or we), though we almost all agree that the current title is way out-of-bound, quibble about trivia.  Most of us seem to know the economic terminology, but can't expect every admin too. On the other hand ... (joke about economists).  I'd let RP finish this up.  We've put him in a difficult position, so maybe he could ask some other admins for help.
::::If I may digress, one of my favorite funny phrases in Russian is used where we might use "The umpire needs glasses" and very roughly translates to  "turn the ref into soap."  Hillarious, but almost certainly a bad idea.  It really doesn't help anything to turn the ref into soap, and the next ref is likely to be worse.
::::All the best, 20:48, 18 August 2012 (UTC) back to sign my name, after a quick trip to the [[Rendering (animals)|soap plant]].  [[User:Smallbones|Smallbones]] ([[User talk:Smallbones|talk]]) 22:15, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
:::::While I agree with Smallbones, every minute of delay has a cost in terms of editor time and effort. If some of that can be saved, I can not see why we should not attempt to do so. The minute RegentsPark realizes that he was out of line, this would all be over. [[User:Yaniv256|&rarr;Yaniv256]]<sup> [[User_talk:Yaniv256|talk]]</sup><sub> [[Special:Contributions/Yaniv256|contribs]]</sub> 21:13, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
:::::::Smallbones, you have out done me in bad taste, and that is no small compliment. [[User:Yaniv256|&rarr;Yaniv256]]<sup> [[User_talk:Yaniv256|talk]]</sup><sub> [[Special:Contributions/Yaniv256|contribs]]</sub> 22:36, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Enough. The case has been open for  nearly four hours with no action on the part of RegentsPark or even a defense of his case. Not to mention Fred, who continues to discuss irrelevant issues on the wrong section while we all await his word in the RM review. If such disruption was caused by new editors they would have been blocked, not only reverted. There must be a limit to how much prejudgment the system applies. The time to act is now. [[User:Yaniv256|&rarr;Yaniv256]]<sup> [[User_talk:Yaniv256|talk]]</sup><sub> [[Special:Contributions/Yaniv256|contribs]]</sub> 23:01, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

:Five. Great time for that long needed wikibreak by RegentsPark. Speaking of Five, why don't we all pass the time by forming a circle around the Pillars while RegentsParks uses them for a nap? [[User:Yaniv256|&rarr;Yaniv256]]<sup> [[User_talk:Yaniv256|talk]]</sup><sub> [[Special:Contributions/Yaniv256|contribs]]</sub> 00:11, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

::Six. Just like the number of ''Conduct policies'' on that infobox that hungs at [[wp:own]]. [[User:Yaniv256|&rarr;Yaniv256]]<sup> [[User_talk:Yaniv256|talk]]</sup><sub> [[Special:Contributions/Yaniv256|contribs]]</sub> 01:24, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
:::(ec) Sorry. I had to take my kids to the park (nice day here) and then drive upstate. Apologies if I have been remiss but I don't really get paid for all this. As far as I'm concerned, I reopened a move discussion to see whether I've misunderstood things and that doesn't really need a defending. Frankly, I consider your remarks here and those of bkwilmn above and on my talk page in bad taste and rather disruptive. Apologies again, but that's what I think.  --[[User:RegentsPark|regentspark]] <small>([[User talk:RegentsPark|comment]])</small> 01:45, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
{{out}} Yaniv256, this is the second time you've pestered the noticeboards with the attitude: '''''You must do what I want <u>right now</u>'''''.  The first time was [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archive238#RM_backlog_escape here], after which you [[WP:POINT|pointedly]] tried to [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive763#Request_for_24-hour_block_of_User:Yaniv256 get yourself blocked].  I'm not sure what you're here for these days, but improving the encyclopedia no longer seems to be high on your list of priorities, since your name keeps appearing here and on AN in regard to trivialities.  I suggest that someone of your intelligence ought to put it to better use, by returning to editing mathematics articles, or articles in other subjects that interest you. [[User:Beyond My Ken|Beyond My Ken]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken|talk]]) 01:41, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
:And you still count all of that as my disruption. Wow, I did not know how wrong accounting can be. And coming from a trained economist that is not a small feat. By the way, Seven, like the number of lights in the [[Menorah (Temple)|Menorah]] (this is a cross reference to that other AN/I debate I have been using to pass the time). [[User:Yaniv256|&rarr;Yaniv256]]<sup> [[User_talk:Yaniv256|talk]]</sup><sub> [[Special:Contributions/Yaniv256|contribs]]</sub> 02:04, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
::Eight. Run out of smart-ass remarks. Need to do a better job at being a jerk for next time.[[User:Yaniv256|&rarr;Yaniv256]]<sup> [[User_talk:Yaniv256|talk]]</sup><sub> [[Special:Contributions/Yaniv256|contribs]]</sub> 03:09, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
:::Yaniv256, your repeated comments here are [[WP:DISRUPT|disruptive]]. '''Stop'''. Somebody with knowledge in the area will get to it - your repeated demands that somebody get to it ''now'' only raise the probablility level of your being hit by a [[WP:BOOMERANG]]. - [[User:The Bushranger|The Bushranger]] <sub><font color="maroon">[[User talk:The Bushranger|One ping only]]</font></sub> 03:17, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
::::And to that open threat of disrupting Wikipedia (again) just to punish me for speaking my mind, I'll answer with a classic quote that is more than appropriate: {{Quote|''I know what you're thinking. "Did he fire six shots or only five?" Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement I kind of lost track myself. But being as this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question: Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk?''| Dirty Harry| [[Dirty Harry]],1971}}  [[User:Yaniv256|&rarr;Yaniv256]]<sup> [[User_talk:Yaniv256|talk]]</sup><sub> [[Special:Contributions/Yaniv256|contribs]]</sub> 03:39, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
:::::Nine. Nothing to add. [[User:Yaniv256|&rarr;Yaniv256]]<sup> [[User_talk:Yaniv256|talk]]</sup><sub> [[Special:Contributions/Yaniv256|contribs]]</sub> 04:14, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

I do need to sleep at some point and would not want to fail my duty to tell this admin board what a bad job I think they are doing. Being bold I'll adventure a guess: Eleven, smart-ass, Twelve, smart-ass, Thirteen, I had a really good one for Thirteen, but what can you do, Fourteen, Fifteen, Sixteen, Seventeen, Eighteen. There you go. See you on the other side of the jump. Feel free to not do as I say, or do as I say, whichever meets your arbitrary fancy. [[User:Yaniv256|&rarr;Yaniv256]]<sup> [[User_talk:Yaniv256|talk]]</sup><sub> [[Special:Contributions/Yaniv256|contribs]]</sub> 04:57, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
: Yaniv256, there's absolutely NOTHING urgent about either a move or a move review - you've been advised of that before.  Nothing is currently preventing the article from being found or edited.  If you disagreed with the closure, your very first step was to discuss with the closing admin.  If you were unhappy with the policy-based responses you received, there's a process of [[WP:MR|Move Review]].  Being a bit of a nasty person towards admins because they're not acting as quickly as you mistakenly believe needs to be done is [[WP:DISRUPT|disruptive]], and unwelcome on a community-based project.  As the old saying goes: [[WP:CIR|you get more flies with honey than with vinegar]]. <span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:EatsShootsAndLeaves|<font style="color:#ffffff;background:black;">dangerous</font>]][[User talk:EatsShootsAndLeaves|<font style="color:#000000;background:white;">panda</font>]]</span> 10:24, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
::[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Move_review/Log/2012_August_19&diff=prev&oldid=508160903 He outright stated his refusal to use move review]. - [[User:The Bushranger|The Bushranger]] <sub><font color="maroon">[[User talk:The Bushranger|One ping only]]</font></sub> 20:54, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

I see that no admin feels that it is their duty to address this case in a timely manner. The continuation of this pattern will leave me no choice but to appeal to ArbCom. [[User:Yaniv256|&rarr;Yaniv256]]<sup> [[User_talk:Yaniv256|talk]]</sup><sub> [[Special:Contributions/Yaniv256|contribs]]</sub> 15:28, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

:I have listed a move review request: [[Wikipedia:Move review/Log/2012 August 19]].--[[User:Bkwillwm|Bkwillwm]] ([[User talk:Bkwillwm|talk]]) 16:42, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

[[Twenty-four]]: Hey, you! [[Collective consciousness|Hive mind]] of the [[Eusociality|eusocial]], [[Communism|communist]], [[Wikipedia]] [[cult]]. You plan to wear me down, and probably will, but before that happens I have a song for you. ''This day'' will be mine as soon as when you read my song you will have no choice but to hum:
:<small>''(Note:Copyvio song quote removed. - [[User:The Bushranger|The Bushranger]] <sub><font color="maroon">[[User talk:The Bushranger|One ping only]]</font></sub> 20:34, 19 August 2012 (UTC))''</small>
:[[User:Yaniv256|&rarr;Yaniv256]]<sup> [[User_talk:Yaniv256|talk]]</sup><sub> [[Special:Contributions/Yaniv256|contribs]]</sub> 19:36, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

=== Boomerang ===
*Given the above disruptive behavior, which was [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=508064546&oldid=508062867 requested to be stopped], then [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=508074547&oldid=508074448 warned about], then [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yaniv256&diff=508088371&oldid=508088252 final warninged],  which drew [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yaniv256&diff=508089187&oldid=508088371 this response]; which also extended to posting [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions&diff=prev&oldid=508086779 copyvio song lyrics] which were removed and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yaniv256&diff=508091004&oldid=508089187 warned about], said warning bringing a blanket declaration of [[WP:AOBF|bad faith]] by [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yaniv256&diff=508092053&oldid=508091004 all admins] and then reposting the ''same'' copyvio song lyrics [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=508172858&oldid=508165131 on ANI] and making comments such as [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=508175787&oldid=508172858 this] that are openly labled "insults", while also bearing in mind his two previous trips to AN/I [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archive238#RM_backlog_escape] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive763#Request_for_24-hour_block_of_User:Yaniv256], it's clear that, regardless of the validity or not of the original complaint (which I am not assessing or prejudicing one way or the other with this action) Yaniv256 has decided he's here for the drama and is [[WP:NOTHERE|not here to be constructive]]. Accordingly I have blocked Yaniv256 for 31 hours. Any other admin can freely extend, reduce, or undo the block if they believe Yaniv256 can contribute constructively or is, alternatively, wholly [[WP:NOTHERE]]. - [[User:The Bushranger|The Bushranger]] <sub><font color="maroon">[[User talk:The Bushranger|One ping only]]</font></sub> 20:48, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
::*'''Support''' the block; I warned him as well, and I agree that Yaniv256 at this point is more focused on the drama than being constructive. [[User:Swatjester|<font color="red">&rArr;</font>]][[User_talk:Swatjester|<font face="Euclid Fraktur"><font color="black">SWAT</font><font color="goldenrod">Jester</font></font>]] [[WP:DC|<small><sup>Son of the Defender</sup></small>]] 21:02, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
*When I saw the RM thing and the request to have himself blocked, I assumed it was a one-off frustration. But it's looking increasingly like he's only here for trolling/admin-baiting. I think a 31 hour block was lenient, though I think it's reasonable to give him that chance to prove us wrong - but I can see an indef not being far away if he carries on like this afterwards. -- [[User:Boing! said Zebedee|Boing! said Zebedee]] ([[User talk:Boing! said Zebedee|talk]]) 21:43, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Yaniv256 has asked for his comments on his talk page to be copied here....

:"The Bushranger is hiding that the true cause of the block was [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Five_pillars&diff=prev&oldid=508178642 my last edit], which falls, as many of my edits and rants, squarely within [[WP:NOTNOTHERE|Advocating amendments to policies or guidelines]]. This is not an appeal of my block as I, personally, am quite fine with it. It is you, the reader, who should contemplate if ''you'' are fine with it, and if this might not be a good time to ''act'' before that answer that is currently in your reach blows away.[[User:Yaniv256|&rarr;Yaniv256]]<sup> [[User_talk:Yaniv256|talk]]</sup><sub> [[Special:Contributions/Yaniv256|contribs]]</sub> 21:26, 19 August 2012 (UTC

:"Just to make sure that I am well understood. Unless someone reverts this block, I will have to recognize that what I have done was indeed disruptive, and will never, ever edit again. That will be my choice. You have a choice too. [[User:Yaniv256|&rarr;Yaniv256]]<sup> [[User_talk:Yaniv256|talk]]</sup><sub> [[Special:Contributions/Yaniv256|contribs]]</sub> 21:52, 19 August 2012 (UTC)"

-- [[User:Boing! said Zebedee|Boing! said Zebedee]] ([[User talk:Boing! said Zebedee|talk]]) 22:08, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
::As should be clear, the edit he mentions had precisely zero to do with it. - [[User:The Bushranger|The Bushranger]] <sub><font color="maroon">[[User talk:The Bushranger|One ping only]]</font></sub> 22:39, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
:::It seemed clear enough to me, yes -- [[User:Boing! said Zebedee|Boing! said Zebedee]] ([[User talk:Boing! said Zebedee|talk]]) 22:55, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Yani obviously fell into disruptive behavior, but I doubt he is trolling. He was participating in a rather boring discussion on how to date the financial crisis. This discussion was cordial and Yani made fruitful contributions. After the discussion closed, he had a civil and reasoned discussion with RegentsPark ([[User_talk:RegentsPark#RM_close_review]]).  I doubt a troll would through all this just hoping an admin would stick to a controversial decision so that he could rant about it. I think Yani simply grew impatient with the Wikipedia process for resolving this dispute.--[[User:Bkwillwm|Bkwillwm]] ([[User talk:Bkwillwm|talk]]) 23:14, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
:Possibly, but did you check the links to the previous AN/I discussions he's been involved in? This isn't the first time he's done this sort of thing. - [[User:The Bushranger|The Bushranger]] <sub><font color="maroon">[[User talk:The Bushranger|One ping only]]</font></sub> 01:25, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
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==Welcome!==

Hello, Yaniv256, and [[Wikipedia:Introduction|welcome]] to Wikipedia! Thank you for [[Special:Contributions/Yaniv256|your contributions]]. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:
*[[Wikipedia:Five pillars|The five pillars of Wikipedia]]
*[[Wikipedia:Tutorial|Tutorial]]
*[[Help:Editing|How to edit a page]] and [[Wikipedia:Article development|How to develop articles]]
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== [[Mizar system]] ==
Hi. I made a few minor formatting changes, but otherwise the article looks great. Thank you! —''[[User:Ruud Koot|Ruud]]'' 23:14, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Yaniv, [http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Proof_assistant this] could interest you. [[User:Tsirel|Boris Tsirelson]] ([[User talk:Tsirel|talk]]) 20:40, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

== The land of Talk ==

Hi Yaniv: 
I read your poetic expression of what Talk pages might aspire to in your piece [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive761#The_land_of_Talk The land of Talk]. I hoped it would demonstrate a new form for discussion, one where some actual imagination might take place. The language seemed likely to provoke real reflection, because its meaning revealed itself quite differently from the usual infertile legalistic court-trial kind of language found on AN/I and described by WP documentation outlined in my essay [[WP:Editing environment]]. However, it seems that your effort got archived without understanding. I was sorry to see that. [[User:Brews ohare|Brews ohare]] ([[User talk:Brews ohare|talk]]) 14:22, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

: Wikipedians have a wide variety of cultural backgrounds, so it generally not a good idea to expect them to be able to grasp your comments if you're trying to be anything but as concrete as possible. To be honest, I'm not really certain what he was trying to say there, but I doubt it belonged on the administrator's noticeboard. There's enough posted there already to also deal with "abstract thought-provoking poetry". Perhaps try the [[WP:VP|village pump]] for that, although in my experience such poems are rarely appreciated by anyone but their author.

: Yaniv, you might want to familiarize yourself with the community's [[WP:TPG|talk page etiquette]], in particular: talk pages are not [[formal argumentation system]]s and it generally frowned upon if an editor acts as both a participant and a as moderator in the same discussion. You seem to be a very decent article writer, but your behaviour on talk pages&mdash;for whatever reasons you have to behave in such a way&mdash;is only annoying your colleagues. —''[[User:Ruud Koot|Ruud]]'' 15:48, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

::You are right, of course, I'll try. With that in mind allow me another worn out [[koan]] as a reply. How do we know what a thing '''is'''? [[User:Yaniv256|Yaniv256]] ([[User talk:Yaniv256#top|talk]]) 16:26, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
:::Talk pages have a function when the participants actually want to sort out what an article should say and how it should be presented. But those goals are too boring for many, so Talk pages are diverted to more entertaining purposes. One might hope poetry could make Talk-page utility an engaging subject, but it seems not?  [[User:Brews ohare|Brews ohare]] ([[User talk:Brews ohare|talk]]) 18:38, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

== Mizar system external links ==

I strongly agree with the suggestion that you ask about Mizar system external links at [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics]], which is the right place to ask about making structural changes to many math articles, and include your pro/con tabulation. You might ask whether a template for the external links, or perhaps a modification to some infobox, would be most appropriate, and see if someone can help you create such a template or modification. Then, if people there agree that the links would be helpful, you can ask on [[WP:BOTREQ]] for help automating those additions. Good luck and welcome! I really liked your Pearsons-vs-regression R^2 answer on the Math Desk. [[Special:Contributions/207.224.43.139|207.224.43.139]] ([[User talk:207.224.43.139|talk]]) 00:22, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
: Thanks! I agree, but given that no support for the idea has shown up I am afraid that for me, "that is that". [[User:Yaniv256|Yaniv256]] ([[User talk:Yaniv256#top|talk]]) 18:02, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

== Re Global Financial Crisis close ==

Yaniv256, as much as I would like to help, it really isn't appropriate for me to close another RM on this article since I closed the original one. See [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:RMCI#Conflicts_of_interest RM closing instructions conflicts of interest]  --[[User:Mike Cline|Mike Cline]] ([[User talk:Mike Cline|talk]]) 20:16, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
:Sorry, I thought it would be ''more'' appropriate to call you because you were familiar with the case. Could you refer me to another admin? [[User:Yaniv256|&rarr;Yaniv256]]<sup> [[User_talk:Yaniv256|talk]]</sup><sub> [[Special:Contributions/Yaniv256|contribs]]</sub> 20:27, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

== Teahouse talkback: you've got messages! ==

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== ANI ==

Are you requesting a block of yourself? [[User:GiantSnowman|Giant]][[User talk:GiantSnowman|Snowman]] 10:12, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

:Your post [[Wikipedia:Administrators Noticeboard/Incidents#Request for 24-hour block of User:Yaniv256|here]] certainly has generated quite a bit of confusion amongst several bystanders, myself included. Would you care to provide a more cohesive explanation as to why exactly you're requesting a 24-hr block on this account? [[User:Kurtis|Kurtis]] ([[User talk:Kurtis|talk]]) 10:13, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

*Are you OK? Hope all is well and you can return to normal editing in due time. Don't be too hard on yourself, we all have bad days. If you feel you need a break from Wikipedia, log off for a while, find something else to do to relax, maybe go for a nice walk. For what it's worth, nothing you said was really all that block-worthy (except maybe the AN/I post itself, ironically enough). But don't sweat it, all right? =) [[User:Kurtis|Kurtis]] ([[User talk:Kurtis|talk]]) 15:44, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

== Teahouse talkback: you've got messages! ==

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== Teahouse talkback: you've got messages! ==

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== Teahouse talkback: you've got messages! ==

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== Rubens Vase ==

Hi. I just wanted to let you know that I closed your nomination, [[Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/The "Rubens Vase"]], as "Not promoted". We welcome your contributions to [[WP:FPC|featured picture candidates]] and I encourage you to nominate more images. Before you do so, you may want to review the [[WP:WIAFP|featured picture criteria]]. If you're unsure if a picture meets the criteria, feel free to add the image to [[WP:PPR|picture peer review]] where experienced users will comment on it. Thanks. I hope to see you at FPC again. [[User:Dusty777|''Dusty'']][[User talk:Dusty777|<font color="black">'''777'''</font>]] 16:58, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

== About PC for sockpuppet ==

Hey, Yaniv, sorry if this is a bit too bold, but I've moved the question you posted on [[WP:TH/Q|the Teahouse questions page]] to [[Wikipedia talk:Teahouse#PC for sockpuppet|the Teahouse talk page]], as it's more of a comment for the Teahouse hosts than a question per se.  [[Wikipedia talk:Teahouse]] is a place where we do a lot of meta-discussion ([[Wikipedia talk:Teahouse/Host lounge]] is another), so it fits there pretty well, actually.  Most of us have that page watchlisted, I believe, so I don't think it'll lose much visibility. Thanks! [[User:Writ Keeper|Writ Keeper]] [[User Talk: Writ Keeper|&#9863;]][[Special:Contributions/Writ_Keeper|&#9812;]] 20:38, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
:No, thank you for correcting it! [[User:Yaniv256|&rarr;Yaniv256]]<sup> [[User_talk:Yaniv256|talk]]</sup><sub> [[Special:Contributions/Yaniv256|contribs]]</sub> 21:00, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

== Notice that I removed your new move request ==

Too pointy, wouldn't help anything.  Correct me and revert if I'm wrong!  [[User:Smallbones|Smallbones]] ([[User talk:Smallbones|talk]]) 20:07, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
:I think you are wrong, and just a bit too quick to repond, but I will leave you to revert yourself, as it might be considerd disruptive of me to start a new RM so soon after my last one failed to result in action. [[User:Yaniv256|&rarr;Yaniv256]]<sup> [[User_talk:Yaniv256|talk]]</sup><sub> [[Special:Contributions/Yaniv256|contribs]]</sub> 20:22, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

::I assure you I will be quick to withdraw anything that seems to have lost hope of mustering a consensus. So you will always be able to block this name by simply insisting that it is a bad idea. But please take the time to consider it. We must be able to find something that Fred will accept, if we are to ever to see any action on this. He is the curator of this article, and does a very good job at it too, so for the benefit of ''the article'' there can be no consensus that leaves him on the out. And we were wrong not to see these facts before. [[User:Yaniv256|&rarr;Yaniv256]]<sup> [[User_talk:Yaniv256|talk]]</sup><sub> [[Special:Contributions/Yaniv256|contribs]]</sub> 20:36, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

== Wikipedia:Picture peer review/20120623 Sqwiki the Squirrel at Wiknic.JPG ==

Thanks for your comments at [[Wikipedia:Picture peer review/20120623 Sqwiki the Squirrel at Wiknic.JPG]]. I have replied.--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] <small>([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]]/[[User:TonyTheTiger/Antonio Vernon|BIO]]/[[WP:CHICAGO]]/[[WP:FOUR]]) </small> 06:31, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

==Please see==
Please see [[Talk:2007–2012_global_financial_crisis#RM_on_hold]]  [[User:Smallbones|Smallbones]] ([[User talk:Smallbones|talk]]) 15:02, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

== August 2012 ==

{{stop}} '''Please stop your [[WP:DISRUPT|disruptive comments]] at [[WP:ANI]].''' You are not being "threat[ened]...for speaking [your] mind", you are being informed that your comments are [[WP:CIVIL|uncivil]] (and also advised to read [[WP:FREESPEECH]]). Your concerns will be addressed if an when an admin who is familiar with the topic and/or who is available can get to them. Until then please remember that [[WP:NODEADLINE|there is no deadline on Wikipedia]] and that [[WP:BOOMERANG|the conduct of everyone involved in an AN/I discussion is scrutinized]]. Please allow things to happen naturally, with paitence and [[WP:AGF|good faith]], as continued disruption '''will result in blocking'''. - [[User:The Bushranger|The Bushranger]] <sub><font color="maroon">[[User talk:The Bushranger|One ping only]]</font></sub> 05:23, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
:I do not intend to stop until this matter is closed. Please feel free to request my block, as that is the only way to silence me. [[User:Yaniv256|&rarr;Yaniv256]]<sup> [[User_talk:Yaniv256|talk]]</sup><sub> [[Special:Contributions/Yaniv256|contribs]]</sub> 05:38, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
::Note also that I've removed your unattributed copy of copyrighted lyrics from the Teahouse talk page. Please read our [[WP:NFC|non-free content]] policy. Even if you had specified the source of the lyrics, we wouldn't allow them in such a discussion space. [[User:Franamax|Franamax]] ([[User talk:Franamax|talk]]) 05:59, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
:::Yes. Bob didn't expect you to do otherwise and that is pretty much what he was trying to say in that song. I'd like to make a bold prediction. No one has the balls to block me over posting one message per hour. At some point they might turn to the revdel. But if using the revdel to silence critique of admins is not [[Wikipedia:Administrators#Misuse of administrative tools|tool misuse]] I really don't see what will be. [[User:Yaniv256|&rarr;Yaniv256]]<sup> [[User_talk:Yaniv256|talk]]</sup><sub> [[Special:Contributions/Yaniv256|contribs]]</sub> 06:10, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
::::So you freely admit you are [[WP:POINT|disrupting Wikipedia to make a point]]? - [[User:The Bushranger|The Bushranger]] <sub><font color="maroon">[[User talk:The Bushranger|One ping only]]</font></sub> 07:52, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
:::::No, I think that I am being quite helpful. I just don't seem to have as much respect for dis-functional authority as all of you guys. But, nonetheless, I acknowledge your right to disagree.  [[User:Yaniv256|&rarr;Yaniv256]]<sup> [[User_talk:Yaniv256|talk]]</sup><sub> [[Special:Contributions/Yaniv256|contribs]]</sub> 14:21, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
::::::You're not being helpful. At all. It's nothing to do with silencing critique, and the martyrdom complex is really unhelpful. Spamming AN/I with hourly updates rudely demanding that people respond to you immediately is disruptive, you've been asked to stop, and if you persist, you'll be blocked. It's really as simple as that. [[User:Swatjester|<font color="red">&rArr;</font>]][[User_talk:Swatjester|<font face="Euclid Fraktur"><font color="black">SWAT</font><font color="goldenrod">Jester</font></font>]] [[WP:DC|<small><sup>Son of the Defender</sup></small>]] 20:38, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

<div class="user-block" style="min-height: 40px"> [[Image:Stop x nuvola with clock.svg|40px|left|alt=|link=]] You have been '''[[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked]]''' from editing for a period of '''31 hours''' for persistent [[Wikipedia:Disruptive editing|disruptive editing]], [[WP:IDHT|failure or refusal to "get the point"]], and [[Wikipedia:Copyright violations|the reinsertion of copyrighted song lyrics after the warning above]].  Once the block has expired, you are welcome to [[Wikipedia:Five pillars|make useful contributions]]. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may [[Wikipedia:Appealing a block|appeal this block]] by adding below this notice the text <!-- Copy the text as it appears on your page, not as it appears in this edit area. Do not include the "tlx|" code. -->{{tlx|unblock|2=reason=''Your reason here &#126;&#126;&#126;&#126;''}}, but you should read the [[Wikipedia:Guide to appealing blocks|guide to appealing blocks]] first. [[User:The Bushranger|The Bushranger]] <sub><font color="maroon">[[User talk:The Bushranger|One ping only]]</font></sub> 20:47, 19 August 2012 (UTC)</div><!-- Template:uw-vblock -->

The Bushranger is hiding that the true cause of the block was [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Five_pillars&diff=prev&oldid=508178642 my last edit], which falls, as many of my edits and rants, squarely within [[WP:NOTNOTHERE|Advocating amendments to policies or guidelines]]. This is not an appeal of my block as I, personally, am quite fine with it. It is you, the reader, who should contemplate if ''you'' are fine with it, and if this might not be a good time to ''act'' before that answer that is currently in your reach blows away.[[User:Yaniv256|&rarr;Yaniv256]]<sup> [[User_talk:Yaniv256|talk]]</sup><sub> [[Special:Contributions/Yaniv256|contribs]]</sub> 21:26, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
:Just to make sure that I am well understood, that edit had precisely zero to do with it. - [[User:The Bushranger|The Bushranger]] <sub><font color="maroon">[[User talk:The Bushranger|One ping only]]</font></sub> 22:39, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Just to make sure that I am well understood. Unless someone reverts this block, I will have to recognize that what I have done was indeed disruptive, and will never, ever edit again. That will be my choice. You have a choice too. [[User:Yaniv256|&rarr;Yaniv256]]<sup> [[User_talk:Yaniv256|talk]]</sup><sub> [[Special:Contributions/Yaniv256|contribs]]</sub> 21:52, 19 August 2012 (UTC)


If you gentelman would be so kind, I'd like to have my two statements above be posted on AN/I as my official response. [[User:Yaniv256|&rarr;Yaniv256]]<sup> [[User_talk:Yaniv256|talk]]</sup><sub> [[Special:Contributions/Yaniv256|contribs]]</sub> 22:02, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
:Done -- [[User:Boing! said Zebedee|Boing! said Zebedee]] ([[User talk:Boing! said Zebedee|talk]]) 22:08, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Being denounced by your allies must serve as a wake-up call to any man. I acknowledge the error of trying to get admins to provide some attention to the ''financial crisis'' RM case using troll-like behavior and would like to pronounce a commitment not to go down that road again. I further, recuse myself from any further dealing with the ''financial crisis'' RM case. [[User:Yaniv256|&rarr;Yaniv256]]<sup> [[User_talk:Yaniv256|talk]]</sup><sub> [[Special:Contributions/Yaniv256|contribs]]</sub> 05:04, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Please post the above to AN/I on my behalf. [[User:Yaniv256|&rarr;Yaniv256]]<sup> [[User_talk:Yaniv256|talk]]</sup><sub> [[Special:Contributions/Yaniv256|contribs]]</sub> 05:04, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
:I personally decline to make this copy for you. You are blocked from editing. There is no ongoing sanction discussion against you at AN/I which requires your comments to be copied over in your defense. You have indicated above that you don't intend to appeal the block. Ergo, you should not be editing until the block has expired. If you rethink and wish to appeal the block, you can do it here on your talk page as outlined in the notice box above. [[User:Franamax|Franamax]] ([[User talk:Franamax|talk]]) 05:22, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
::I completely understand. Unfortunately, my personal belief system prevents me from making such an appeal, and my personal interest requires that I ask the block to be extended, not cut short. At any rate, thank you, Franamax, for posting here your reason and not just ignoring my request.[[User:Yaniv256|&rarr;Yaniv256]]<sup> [[User_talk:Yaniv256|talk]]</sup><sub> [[Special:Contributions/Yaniv256|contribs]]</sub> 05:32, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
:::I understand what Franamax is saying, but in making a commitment to not repeat the problematic behaviour, Yaniv256 is suggesting a solution that I think should satisfy us - even if not following the "correct" procedure. I think a good practical outcome should always beat following the "letter of the law", <s>so I'm going to IAR on this one and copy the above comment to where the block is being discussed</s>. -- [[User:Boing! said Zebedee|Boing! said Zebedee]] ([[User talk:Boing! said Zebedee|talk]]) 08:44, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
:::Aargh, and having said that, I see that ANI section has now been closed. I'd be very reluctant to reopen it, so instead of copying over the above comments, I'll notify the blocking admin of it and will ask if they would be happy to now unblock you. -- [[User:Boing! said Zebedee|Boing! said Zebedee]] ([[User talk:Boing! said Zebedee|talk]]) 08:50, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
*With the agreement of the blocking admin, I have released your block early. But please be aware that a return to the same kind of behaviour that got you blocked is very likely to lead to a longer block. -- [[User:Boing! said Zebedee|Boing! said Zebedee]] ([[User talk:Boing! said Zebedee|talk]]) 09:21, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
**Thank you. I will probably keep from editing for some time now, but still, it is nice to know that I can. [[User:Yaniv256|&rarr;Yaniv256]]<sup> [[User_talk:Yaniv256|talk]]</sup><sub> [[Special:Contributions/Yaniv256|contribs]]</sub> 10:44, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

== References ==

I must say, Bushranger‎, that I am curious to know if that reference you made in reverting my Five Pillars edit was cynical, and if so by how much. I have never heard of this show, but reading the Wikipedia page I feel that I have been missing out on quite a bit of joy. That guy sounds way cooler than I ever hope to be. [[User:Yaniv256|&rarr;Yaniv256]]<sup> [[User_talk:Yaniv256|talk]]</sup><sub> [[Special:Contributions/Yaniv256|contribs]]</sub> 22:22, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
:Not cynical at all - I try to sprinkle a little bit of levity in edit summaries and such, and that popped into my mind. ''Firefly'' is one of the greatest shows ever (and so, of course, it got cancelled...) - [[User:The Bushranger|The Bushranger]] <sub><font color="maroon">[[User talk:The Bushranger|One ping only]]</font></sub> 22:38, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
::Thank you. Being appreciated does tend to take the wind out of my sail, which is rather helpful in a storm. [[User:Yaniv256|&rarr;Yaniv256]]<sup> [[User_talk:Yaniv256|talk]]</sup><sub> [[Special:Contributions/Yaniv256|contribs]]</sub> 22:56, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

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