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== August 27 ==
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==== (Posted) RD: Siegfried Matthus ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Siegfried Matthus
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.ndr.de/kultur/musik/Komponist-Siegfried-Matthus-ist-tot-,matthus100.html NDR] and others
| updated       = yes
| updaters      = Grimes2, Gerda Arendt
| nom cmt       = Leading composer in the East when Germany was divided, but successful still after unification, founder of a chamber opera festival promoting young singers, - his music played again and again and recorded - not often in contemporary music. There was some article, but Grimes2 did miracles again expanding. There could be more, much more detail in the sources added.
| sign          = [[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 13:09, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
}}
* ps: the news of his death came in only today. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 15:04, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Article is ready to go. [[User:Alsoriano97|_-_Alsoriano97]] ([[User talk:Alsoriano97|talk]]) 15:21, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 21:08, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

==== (Posted) RD: Akis Tsochatzopoulos ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Akis Tsochatzopoulos<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = https://www.ekathimerini.com/news/1166960/akis-tsochatzopoulos-once-prominent-pasok-politician-dies/ <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = yes <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updaters      = TDKR Chicago 101 <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt       = former interior and defence minister of Greece. His wikibio looks ready for RD. <!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
| sign          = --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 11:11, 29 August 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Weak support''' I've added a couple of cn tags that can be easily fixed. Otherwise, the article is well cited. If someone could explain, at least briefly, what he did as minister it would be great. [[User:Alsoriano97|_-_Alsoriano97]] ([[User talk:Alsoriano97|talk]]) 17:50, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
**The two {cn} tags are gone now. Thanks. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 04:08, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 04:30, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

====(Posted) RD: Hae Un Lee ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Hae Un Lee <!-- Do not wikilink -->
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = https://www.reviewjournal.com/business/lees-discount-liquor-founder-hae-un-lee-dies-at-79-2429072/ <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = y<!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updaters      = 70.172.85.106 <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nominator     = PFHLai
| nom cmt       = Wikibio looks ready already. <!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
| sign          = [[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 10:57, 29 August 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Support''' article seems good. [[User:Alsoriano97|_-_Alsoriano97]] ([[User talk:Alsoriano97|talk]]) 17:50, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Posted to RD'''. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082529">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T•</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">C</span>]]</sup> 03:33, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

==== US airstrike in Afghanistan ====
{{atop
| status = Closed
| result = Consensus will not develop to post. - [[User:Fuzheado|Fuzheado]] &#124; [[User talk:Fuzheado|Talk]] 17:38, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
}}


{{ITN candidate
| article       = 2021 Kabul airport attack
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = The US launches an [[airstrike]] in [[Nangarhar]], Afghanistan, killing the [[Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant – Khorasan Province|Islamic State]] member who is believed to have planned the bombings.
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb      = The U.S. launches an [[airstrike]] in Afghanistan, killing the two [[Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant – Khorasan Province|Islamic State]] members who planned the bombings.
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [https://apnews.com/article/asia-pacific-evacuations-kabul-islamic-state-group-7f146c8ae5d9e9ab225025527e421226 (AP News)], [https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/28/world/asia/kabul-airport-attack-isis-us-strike.html (NY Times)], 
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Elijahandskip <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator       = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt       = I know we already have an ITN about the bombings themselves, but it seems significant enough for maybe a second ITN nomination just because the planner died. 
| sign          = [[User:Elijahandskip|Elijahandskip]] ([[User talk:Elijahandskip|talk]]) 02:10, 28 August 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Comment:''' Because the airport attack and US airstrike is comparably related, why not posting the targeted article as ongoing? Or merging the proposed blurb with current blurb of same subject. [[Special:Contributions/180.254.167.7|180.254.167.7]] ([[User talk:180.254.167.7|talk]]) 04:46, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
*:We don't duplicate articles in ongoing if they are currently in a blurb.—[[User:Bagumba|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba|talk]]) 12:03, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
*Add the airstrike to the current blurb? [[User:Jim Michael|Jim Michael]] ([[User talk:Jim Michael|talk]]) 08:30, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' existing blurb is just fine, and "member who is believed" is just not what an encyclopedia is about. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 08:39, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
::Are you saying the airstrike isn't important enough for ITN, or that it shouldn't be posted because we don't know enough about it? [[User:Jim Michael|Jim Michael]] ([[User talk:Jim Michael|talk]]) 09:23, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
:::Both.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 09:34, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
*I'm not certain a single airstrike warrants an update. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 11:42, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
*:It (allegedly) took two. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 15:47, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
*:Now it (allegedly) took one. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 02:30, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' The suicide bombing blurb already pipes to [[2021 Kabul airport attack]], so there is no need for another blurb with the same article. If it's deemed notable, incorporate the airstrike into the existing blurb.—[[User:Bagumba|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba|talk]]) 12:03, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
* '''Oppose''' – Per ''TRM''. Though widely covered Saturday, [https://apnews.com/article/business-afghanistan-islamic-state-group-2f53babc274f912fa2c3a2a611aed07c] [https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-58364743] [https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/us-launches-drone-strike-islamic-state-after-afghan-airport-blast-2021-08-28/] this drone strike targeted one individual whose demise hasn't yet been confirmed by sources on the ground. Lacks broad significance. – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 12:27, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Existing blurb is enough. [[User:Pawnkingthree|Pawnkingthree]] ([[User talk:Pawnkingthree|talk]]) 14:32, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Sources are clear about not knowing who this target was or why he was killed, same as his alleged driver, same as the alleged other victims. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 15:42, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Comment - New Info''' The pentagon confirmed that two of the planners of the attack were killed in the airstrike. [https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/28/politics/isis-k-drone-strike-us-afghanistan/index.html (CNN)] [[User:Elijahandskip|Elijahandskip]] ([[User talk:Elijahandskip|talk]]) 17:21, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
::Alt-blurb 1 started for new info. [[User:Elijahandskip|Elijahandskip]] ([[User talk:Elijahandskip|talk]]) 17:23, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
:::I think we can safely say both blurbs turned out to be honest misreadings. No pressure to redact or strike anything, though! Every war has its lingering rumours, after all. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 02:30, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
* '''Comment''' – Even with two 'ISKP' jihadists killed, [https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/us-launches-drone-strike-islamic-state-after-afghan-airport-blast-2021-08-28/] [https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/8/28/us-says-drone-strike-killed-two-iskp-targets-in-afghanistan] this drone strike remains part of the larger Afghanistan story, and a separate blurb wouldn't be appropriate. – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 18:14, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
* '''Oppose''' per Sca. [[User:Alsoriano97|_-_Alsoriano97]] ([[User talk:Alsoriano97|talk]]) 18:48, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
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== August 26 ==
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====(Posted) RD: Michael Nader====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Michael Nader
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://edition.cnn.com/2021/08/26/entertainment/michael-nader-dynasty-dies-intl-scli/index.html CNN], [https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/celebrities/2021/08/25/michael-nader-dynasty-all-my-children-dies-76/5591294001/ USA Today]
| updated       = yes
| nominator     = SirEdimon
| updaters      = 
| nom cmt       = American actor. Died on Aug. 23, but only announced today. The article is fully sourced.
| sign          =--[[User:SirEdimon|<span style="color:#000000;font-family:Broadway;">SirEd</span>]] <sup>[[User_talk:SirEdimon|<span style="#0015A8;font-family:Comic Sans MS;">Dimmi!!!</span>]]</sup> 00:40, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
}}
*'''Support''' Nothing looks fishy, could use a photo, but hey. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 02:03, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
:*I added the one of him from his character on All my Children. -- [[User:Rockstone35|<span style="color:#DF0101"><b>Rockstone</b></span>]][[User talk:Rockstone35|<span style="color:0000ff;font-size:8px"><small><sup><b>[Send me a message!]</b></sup></small></span>]] 22:54, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 03:36, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

====(Posted) RD: Stephen B. Oates====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Stephen B. Oates
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://apnews.com/article/entertainment-arts-and-entertainment-education-d106bec408f9cf9651a368cb5be3bbbc Associated Press]; [https://www.masslive.com/news/2021/08/stephen-oates-famed-civil-war-historian-and-umass-professor-dies-at-85.html ''The Springfield Republican'']
| updated       = yes
| nominator = Bloom6132
| updaters      = Bloom6132
| nom cmt       = First reported today (August 26); died on August 20.
| sign          = —[[User:Bloom6132|Bloom6132]] ([[User talk:Bloom6132|talk]]) 22:59, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
}}
*'''Support''' Nothing shocking, American Civil War historian, miniseries guest expert. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 02:15, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 03:42, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

==== (Closed) 2021 evacuation of Afghanistan ====
{{archivetop|Merged with the current blurb, it will take a while before it rolls off. Renominate again later depending on the situation. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 07:51, 27 August 2021 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = 2021 evacuation of Afghanistan
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = add <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/08/24/world/afghanistan-taliban-kabul-news NYTimes], [https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-58279900 BBC], [https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/spores-a330-tanker-aircraft-to-depart-to-help-us-airlift-evacuees-from-afghanistan Straits Times], [https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2021/08/26/national/afghan-evac-japan/ Japan] 
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Robertsky <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator       = Buckshot06<!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt       = Efforts to evacuate is still ongoing and set to end on 31 August. The [[2021 Kabul airport attacks|suicide bombings]] are an immediate event of the evaucation. Nations are also sending military planes to help with evacuations.
| sign          = [[User:Robertsky|– robertsky]] ([[User talk:Robertsky|talk]]) 18:01, 26 August 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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*'''Support''' The evacuation has gotten mass media attention as international governments, mainly the United States, try to evacuate troops from Afghanistan. The Taliban offensive was included on Ongoing, don't see an opposing reason as to why this cannot be included. [[User:Kellis7|Kellis7]] ([[User talk:Kellis7|talk]]) 18:16, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' If there's any event that's being continuously reported in the news around the world, it's precisely this. Moreover, this is an operation involving many countries from virtually every continent except Africa. Undoubtedly, there are enough reasons for the nomination to prosper. The linked article is constantly updated and is perfectly sourced. [[User:Alsoriano97|_-_Alsoriano97]] ([[User talk:Alsoriano97|talk]]) 18:21, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' In the aftermath of the attack nominated below, evacuations from some countries have paused or been ended. As far as I can tell, only Germany has been ambiguous about when they plan on ending evacuations. All other nations are currently committed to ending evacuations on or before August 31st. Posting an event as ongoing when it has a definite end date at the present seems counterintuitive. If the US and other nations publicly state that evacuations will continue indefinitely, then will change to support. [[Special:Contributions/47.176.81.182|47.176.81.182]] ([[User talk:47.176.81.182|talk]]) 18:39, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
*:We posted the Olympics to ongoing, that has a definite end date. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 18:51, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' The attacks are definitely appropriate for a blurb, but unless more violence continues, the evacuation has been otherwise something being done in haste but not the type of ''critical'' ongoing compared to natural disasters or other human-caused violence. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 18:40, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' unconvinced by either of the opposes. &nbsp;–&nbsp;[[User:John M Wolfson|John M Wolfson]]&nbsp;([[User talk:John M Wolfson|talk]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/John M Wolfson|contribs]]) 00:08, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Highly important event, widely reported around the world. -- [[User:King of Hearts|<b style="color:red">King of ♥</b>]][[User talk:King of Hearts|<b style="color:red"> ♦</b>]][[Special:Contributions/King of Hearts|<b style="color:black"> ♣</b>]][[Special:EmailUser/King of Hearts|<b style="color:black"> ♠</b>]] 00:12, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. Unless something unexpected happens, in which case we would blurb it - as indeed we did for today's bombing - the evacuation from the airport is really just a corollary to the invasion by the Taliban. The withdrawal operation is not really daily breaking headline and unexpected news on a daily basis, as we'd see for say the Hong Kong protests or the Taliban's recent offensive. It's a predictable and time limited operation that followed from the Afghan army's defeat to the Taliban, which we also blurbed. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 00:13, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - Highly notable. And definitely should be posted to Ongoing. I don’t have a magic ball to look into the future with. But for now this is definitely an escalating situation that warrants Ongoing-status.[[User:BabbaQ|BabbaQ]] ([[User talk:BabbaQ|talk]]) 00:50, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' People catching planes. Only seems bigger because it's associated with a couple of blurbs, vaguely suggesting a third something is next. Those aside, it's a pretty mundane story, though more juicy than most daily airport reports. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 02:23, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - most countries have withdrawn, yes, but the bulk of the evacuation have been American anyway, and  they're still going (<small>[https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/western-nations-race-complete-afghan-evacuation-deadline-looms-2021-08-25/ "The United States would press on with evacuations despite the threat of further attacks"]</small>). Regarding notability, it's the top news in all international news sites I checked (BBC, Reuters, Al Jazeera, RT, DW, FT, AP, really everything except Xinhua for some reason), and is 2nd news in my local non English news site. I'd say it's still highly in the news. Should have a good 3-4 days left of evacuations, ignoring the signs from both sides that they are negotiating an extension. [[User:Juxlos|Juxlos]] ([[User talk:Juxlos|talk]]) 02:29, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
*:You sure those aren't about the bombing? I checked CBC. It's Biden vowing revenge there (an Ongoing ''war'' in Afghanistan might be a reasonable nom to me). [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 02:38, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' in the news, and likely to be in the news for at least several more days. [[User:Banedon|Banedon]] ([[User talk:Banedon|talk]]) 02:34, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose ongoing, add to other blurb''' Two ITN items seems overkill when something like "Amid [[2021 evacuation of Afghanistan|evacuations from Afghanistan]]" can be added to the existing suicide bombing blurb.—[[User:Bagumba|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba|talk]]) 04:45, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
*:{{ping|Bagumba}} I've gone ahead and [[WP:BOLD]]ly made the change. -- [[User:King of Hearts|<b style="color:red">King of ♥</b>]][[User talk:King of Hearts|<b style="color:red"> ♦</b>]][[Special:Contributions/King of Hearts|<b style="color:black"> ♣</b>]][[Special:EmailUser/King of Hearts|<b style="color:black"> ♠</b>]] 07:00, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
*::I'm happy with this. A much better outcome than putting it in Ongoing. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 07:42, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' This may be top news because of the bombing, which is already included in the blurb. Otherwise, the withdrawal of foreign citizens is going relatively smoothly and it receives routine coverage. We can wait until 31 August, which was given as a deadline for the withdrawal, and see if things escalate afterwards.--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 06:35, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
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====(Posted) Kabul airport attacks ====
{{ITN candidate 
| article = 2021 Kabul airport attacks
| image = 
| blurb = Two '''[[2021 Kabul airport attacks|suicide bombings]]''' occur at the [[Hamid Karzai International Airport]] in [[Kabul]], killing at least 72 people.
| recent deaths =
| ongoing =
| ITNR =
| altblurb = 
| altblurb2 = 
| sources = [https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/08/26/world/afghanistan-taliban-biden-news The New York Times], [https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/high-threat-terror-attack-disrupts-kabul-airport-evacuations-biden-deadline-n1277670 NBC]
| updated =
| nominator = TDKR Chicago 101
| creator       = Koopatrev
| updaters = Kellis7 , Gianluigi02 , Hazeledla 
| nom cmt = Current/breaking news event. Article will be expanded as more information comes in
| sign = --[[User:TDKR Chicago 101|TDKR Chicago 101]] ([[User talk:TDKR Chicago 101|talk]]) 16:25, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
}}
*'''Support''' The withdrawal from Afghanistan is a major ongoing (not WP:ITN/ONGOING, yet anyway) story and the bombing is a notable development of it. It's long enough as it is and will expand. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 16:43, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Afghan evacuations are currently top-of-news, and a cursory look at Reuters, Al Jazeera and BBC puts this story at headline. [[User:Juxlos|Juxlos]] ([[User talk:Juxlos|talk]]) 16:53, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Reports of over a hundred casualties (wounded and killed) as well as American servicemembers injured is notable enough to warrant a blurb. [[User:Lyrim|Lyrim]] ([[User talk:Lyrim|talk]]) 17:11, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' This has gotten massive media coverage (even local news sources are reporting on it) and the involvement with American troops makes this article notable. [[User:Kellis7|Kellis7]] ([[User talk:Kellis7|talk]]) 17:37, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Query''' Should [[Fall of Kabul (2021)]] or [[2021 evacuation of Afghanistan]] be an ongoing item instead, given that though Kabul has been taken over, the airport and/or certain routes to the airport are still being controlled by US/Brits? [[User:Robertsky|– robertsky]] ([[User talk:Robertsky|talk]]) 17:44, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
:*Kabul has already fallen, so it cannot be "ongoing". This, unfortunately, is still what Afghanistan will be under Taliban rule. [[User:Alsoriano97|_-_Alsoriano97]] ([[User talk:Alsoriano97|talk]]) 17:52, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
:*In my personal opinion, I think the [[2021 evacuation of Afghanistan]] should be added as an ongoing item. I think that would have to be settled on a separate forum. [[User:Kellis7|Kellis7]] 17:51, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
::*Agree with Kellis7. [[User:Alsoriano97|_-_Alsoriano97]] ([[User talk:Alsoriano97|talk]]) 17:52, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
:::* {{re|Kellis7|Alsoriano97}} OK. See [[Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates#(Closed) 2021 evacuation of Afghanistan]]. [[User:Robertsky|– robertsky]] ([[User talk:Robertsky|talk]]) 18:04, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Major development and article is expanding. [[User:Pawnkingthree|Pawnkingthree]] ([[User talk:Pawnkingthree|talk]]) 17:48, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Per above. Perhaps it would be appropriate to indicate that it's occurring in the context of a mass evacuation of Afghans, which is ultimately the reason for the attack.  [[User:Alsoriano97|_-_Alsoriano97]] ([[User talk:Alsoriano97|talk]]) 17:52, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''', the casualty count is definitely high enough at this point. However, as discussed above, we should link [[2021 evacuation of Afghanistan]] in this blurb. If we do that, we don't need to add it as an ongoing item. -[[User:LtNOWIS|LtNOWIS]] ([[User talk:LtNOWIS|talk]]) 18:14, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Eh''' We already have one story about this on ITN. I'd say just move it to ongoing. We can't have new stories posted for every development in this event, and given that US/UK intelligence have been saying this stuff for a couple days and it's tightly related to the main blurb I don't really think it's worth 2 blurbs. [[User:ProcrastinatingReader|ProcrastinatingReader]] ([[User talk:ProcrastinatingReader|talk]]) 18:15, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
** If this is posted, it should displace or augment to the current blurb. I disagree about bringing it to ongoing, unless more violence continues during the evactuation/power transition. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 18:55, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
**:If it displaces the current blurb then that's fine with me. But even for augmenting I'm not really 'opposed', as I suppose this is a major set of events, just hesitant (esp if more major events happen before the withdrawal concludes) [[User:ProcrastinatingReader|ProcrastinatingReader]] ([[User talk:ProcrastinatingReader|talk]]) 19:12, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' because it's easily important enough & the article is of good enough quality. [[User:Jim Michael|Jim Michael]] ([[User talk:Jim Michael|talk]]) 19:14, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 20:29, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Update''' - per [https://www.wsj.com/articles/afghanistan-kabul-airport-explosion-11629976397 WSJ], death toll is over 100 (13 Americans soldiers, at least 90 Afghans). This is already updated in the article itself. [[User:Juxlos|Juxlos]] ([[User talk:Juxlos|talk]]) 02:20, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
* '''Post-posting support''' – Thanks to all who made this happen at last. A new, relevant blurb was long overdue. –  [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 12:13, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
== August 25 ==
{{cot|[[Portal:Current events/2021 August 25]]}}
{{Portal:Current events/2021 August 25}}
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==== (Posted) RD: Gunilla Bergström ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Gunilla Bergström
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.tellerreport.com/life/2021-08-26-the-author-gunilla-bergstr%C3%B6m-is-dead.Bk-JKrp4-t.html Teller Report] and others in Swedish and German
| updated       = yes
| updaters      = BabbaQ, Gerda Arendt
| nom cmt       = Children's books author, character [[Alfie Atkins]] - different names in different languages, translations into 35. The article was basically there, we just referenced a bit. More welcome, - I have to go right now. 
| sign          = [[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 14:12, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
}}
*'''Support''': 2341 characters (374 words) "readable prose size", sourced. [[User:Grimes2|Grimes2]] ([[User talk:Grimes2|talk]]) 16:05, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Article in good shape. [[User:Alsoriano97|_-_Alsoriano97]] ([[User talk:Alsoriano97|talk]]) 16:22, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 21:04, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

====(Posted) RD: B. V. Nimbkar ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = B. V. Nimbkar<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/other-states/maharashtra-padma-shri-awardee-agriculture-scientist-bv-nimbkar-dead/article36102638.ece The Hindu]<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updaters      = Pachu Kannan, Ktin <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt       = Noted Indian agriculural scientist. Founder of [[Nimbkar Agricultural Research Institute]]. His bibliography needs fixing.  R.I.P. <!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
| sign          = --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 11:29, 26 August 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Comment''' Practically half of the article is based on explaining what NARI does and what it has done, not so much on what Nimbkar has done throughout his career. This would have to be fixed for, in my opinion, the nomination to prosper. [[User:Alsoriano97|_-_Alsoriano97]] ([[User talk:Alsoriano97|talk]]) 14:09, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
** When I read this wikibio earlier, I thought he achieved all those things through NARI. Now that you have brought this up and I went back for another look, I cannot tell what happened before or after he retired in 1990. Not sure how to fix this yet.... --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 21:32, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
**:No worries. Doesn't look terribly bad to fix. I will work on it this weekend (in addition to [[Gail Omvedt]]). [[User:Ktin|Ktin]] ([[User talk:Ktin|talk]]) 22:23, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''': {{ping|Ktin}} has done good work -- [[User:PaulBetteridge|PaulBetteridge]] ([[User talk:PaulBetteridge|talk]]) 18:06, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
*<s>'''Weak oppose'''.</s> Typically the minimum for an RD is 3 complete paragraphs, and this article has 2 at best. Research career could us some additional information (what did he research?) and "''Nimbkar has documented his researches by way of several articles''" could be copyedited for clarity. "Weak" because referencing is good and I think with 3 or 4 sentences about his scholarly work, this would be ready to go. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082529">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T•</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">C</span>]]</sup> 03:26, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
*:{{ping|Spencer}} Have added a few sentences. Meets expectations imo. Please have a look. Thanks. [[User:Ktin|Ktin]] ([[User talk:Ktin|talk]]) 17:43, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' I don't see any issue... [[User:Alsoriano97|_-_Alsoriano97]] ([[User talk:Alsoriano97|talk]]) 21:09, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
*'''Posted to RD'''. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082529">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T•</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">C</span>]]</sup> 22:03, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

==== RD: Ted Dexter ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Ted Dexter<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/58337771 BBC Sport]<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = no<!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = The Rambling Man <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt       = Needs work on refs<!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
| sign          = [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 07:07, 26 August 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Oppose''' Referencing needs improvement.—[[User:Bagumba|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba|talk]]) 09:36, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

==== (Posted) RD: Milan Gutović ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Milan Gutović
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://rs.n1info.com/kultura/preminuo-milan-gutovic/ N1], [https://www.bbc.com/serbian/lat/srbija-58284448 BBC]
| updated       = 
| nominator     = Vacant0
| updaters      = Vacant0
| nom cmt       = A well-known Serbian actor
| sign          = --[[User:Vacant0|Vacant0]] ([[User talk:Vacant0|talk]]) 21:27, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
}}
*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 04:12, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

==== RD: Robin Miller ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Robin Miller (journalist)<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = ''[https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/motor/indy-500/2021/08/25/robin-miller-who-captivated-race-fans-worldwide-dies-71/5194352001/ Indianapolis Star]'', [https://motorsports.nbcsports.com/2021/08/25/indycar-journalist-robin-miller-dead/ NBC Sports]<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Rawmustard <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt       = Longtime motorsports journalist; article looks reasonably referenced throughout.
| sign          = [[User:Rawmustard|rawmustard]] ([[User talk:Rawmustard|talk]]) 20:54, 25 August 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Oppose''' Sourcing needs some improvement.—[[User:Bagumba|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba|talk]]) 09:30, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

==== RD: Gail Omvedt ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Gail Omvedt
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/mumbai/researcher-author-gail-omvedt-passes-away/article36091934.ece
|e Hindu] updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Ktin <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt       = Article requires some work before it can be ready for homepage / RD. If someone wants to get to it before me, please do so. Else, I will update the article shortly.<!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
| sign          = [[User:Ktin|Ktin]] ([[User talk:Ktin|talk]]) 18:35, 25 August 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Oppose''' Sourcing needs improvement.—[[User:Bagumba|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba|talk]]) 09:25, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
*:Unfortunately, I couldn't get to improving the article in time. RIP Ms Omvedt. [[User:Ktin|Ktin]] ([[User talk:Ktin|talk]]) 17:44, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
== August 24 ==
{{cot|[[Portal:Current events/2021 August 24]]}}
{{Portal:Current events/2021 August 24}}
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==== (Posted) RD: Jerry Harkness ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Jerry Harkness
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/obituaries/jerry-harkness-who-helped-loyola-chicago-to-1963-ncaa-title-dies-at-81/2021/08/24/f9b74bec-053c-11ec-8c3f-3526f81b233b_story.html ''The Washington Post'']
| updated       = yes
| nominator     = Bagumba <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = IagoQnsi
| nom cmt       = Basketball player in the [[Game of Change]], member of 1963 national championship team.
| sign          = —[[User:Bagumba|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba|talk]]) 09:37, 26 August 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Support''' Adequate coverage of subject's life and career. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082529">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T•</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">C</span>]]</sup> 22:54, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
* '''Posted''' --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 02:03, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

==== (Posted) RD: Charlie Watts====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Charlie Watts
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://variety.com/2021/music/news/charlie-watts-rolling-stones-drummer-dead-dies-1235047778/ Variety]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Muboshgu <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt       = <!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
| sign          = &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 16:45, 24 August 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Support''' Article looks to be in decent shape.  Maybe a few minor CN issues, but nothing contentious.  --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 16:52, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' [[User:Mjroots|Mjroots]] ([[User talk:Mjroots|talk]]) 16:54, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. He was in quite a famous popular music combo, apparently. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 16:57, 24 August 2021 (UTC) {{small|[[A rolling stone gathers no moss|...will soon be posted]], I expect}}.
*'''Support''' the strongest way possible. --[[User:TheSandDoctor|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">The</span><span style="color:#009933; font-weight:bold;">SandDoctor</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:TheSandDoctor|<span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span>]]</sup> 17:01, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - And ready to go.[[User:BabbaQ|BabbaQ]] ([[User talk:BabbaQ|talk]]) 17:05, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Unmarked as Ready''' - some of the "Career" section and the discography are unsourced. Let's not rush just because it's Charlie. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 17:09, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
* '''Support''' The article itself looks good, RIP! --[[User:Vacant0|Vacant0]] ([[User talk:Vacant0|talk]]) 18:15, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per Black Kite. Not ready until sourcing issues are handled. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 19:08, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Issues now fixed. Although I'm surprised that, being so important for the music world and having his death such a remarkable impact in the international media, the section on his "Career" is so short compared to the "Private life and public image" section. [[User:Alsoriano97|_-_Alsoriano97]] ([[User talk:Alsoriano97|talk]]) 20:48, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
::That's a good point. It looks like he did nothing from 1989 onwards, unless you include not attending an event as something! '''[[User:Lugnuts|<font color="002bb8">Lugnuts</font>]]''' <sup>[[User talk:Lugnuts|Fire Walk with Me]]</sup> 20:50, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
* '''Support''' I ''think'' all the sourcing issues have now been addressed. '''[[User:Lugnuts|<font color="002bb8">Lugnuts</font>]]''' <sup>[[User talk:Lugnuts|Fire Walk with Me]]</sup> 20:49, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Of course, if all the issues have been resolved. [[User:Cullen328|<b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328</sup>]] [[User talk:Cullen328|<span style="color:#00F">''Let's discuss it''</span>]] 00:49, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 02:12, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

==== (Posted) RD/Blurb: Hissène Habré ====
{{ITN candidate
| recent deaths = yes
| article       = Hissène Habré
| blurb         = Former Chadian president '''[[Hissène Habré]]''' dies from [[COVID-19]].
| altblurb      = '''[[Hissène Habré]]''', a former [[List of heads of state of Chad|president of Chad]] and convicted war criminal, dies at the age of 79
| sources       = [https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-58316923 BBC]
| updated       =
| nominator     = Scaramouche33 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = 
| nom cmt       = Very important figure in the utter chaos that was the Chadian Civl War and the Libyan invasion.
| sign          = [[User: Scaramouche33|Scaramouche33]] ([[User talk: Scaramouche33|talk]]) 12:16, 24 August 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Support''' - Don’t see anything special that needs to be done. Ready to go.--[[User:BabbaQ|BabbaQ]] ([[User talk:BabbaQ|talk]]) 16:11, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support RD''' [[User:Mjroots|Mjroots]] ([[User talk:Mjroots|talk]]) 16:53, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''<s>Weak</s> support''' I've added three cn tags and there's a tag to clarify a line that needs to be fixed. The article overall has fantastic in depth coverage of his career and conviction.  Neutral on the blurb, although not a bad idea. [[User:Alsoriano97|_-_Alsoriano97]] ([[User talk:Alsoriano97|talk]]) 20:32, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support RD, oppose blurb''' While it is uncommon for a former head of state to die in prison, we already posted his jailing and sentencing to life in prison, so this isn't exactly a surprise.[[User:Jackattack1597|Jackattack1597]] ([[User talk:Jackattack1597|talk]]) 23:21, 24 August 2021 (UTC) [[User:Jackattack1597|Jackattack1597]] ([[User talk:Jackattack1597|talk]]) 23:21, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support blurb''' We posted his jailing and sentencing which already shows how important Habré's conviction was for Chad. His death in jail from COVID is not any different. Habré was an important and notorious figure in Chadian history. Merits blurb. Perhaps his blurb should mention his war criminal status. --[[User:TDKR Chicago 101|TDKR Chicago 101]] ([[User talk:TDKR Chicago 101|talk]]) 14:14, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support blurb''' as {{U|TDKR Chicago 101}} said, he's clearly important enough for a blurb. I would prefer the original, simpler blurb. [[User:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b>]][[User talk:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#000000">2302</b>]] ([[User talk:Joseph2302|talk]]) 14:22, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support RD only''' Doesn't require a blurb.-- [[User:Pawnkingthree|Pawnkingthree]] ([[User talk:Pawnkingthree|talk]]) 14:27, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' I have marked this as ready for RD, as there seems to be consensus that it meets the requirement for that. But debate can still continue about blurb or not. [[User:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b>]][[User talk:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#000000">2302</b>]] ([[User talk:Joseph2302|talk]]) 14:31, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
*How many former presidents have died from covid during the pandemic? Is he the first? [[Special:Contributions/2A02:2F0E:D620:E000:74D2:26DA:22AE:ECDF|2A02:2F0E:D620:E000:74D2:26DA:22AE:ECDF]] ([[User talk:2A02:2F0E:D620:E000:74D2:26DA:22AE:ECDF|talk]]) 19:34, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
**Valéry Giscard d'Estaing, among a few others. [[User:Nohomersryan|Nohomersryan]] ([[User talk:Nohomersryan|talk]]) 19:39, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
**Check [[List of deaths due to COVID-19]]. [[User:Alsoriano97|_-_Alsoriano97]] ([[User talk:Alsoriano97|talk]]) 20:09, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Posted to RD''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 23:14, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

==== (Posted) Ongoing/Blurb:2020 Summer Paralympics====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = 2020 Summer Paralympics
| blurb = The '''[[2020 Summer Paralympics]]''' open in [[Tokyo]].
| altblurb = The [[2020 Summer Paralympics opening ceremony|opening ceremony]] of the '''[[2020 Summer Paralympics]]''' takes place in the [[Japan National Stadium|Olympic Stadium]] ''(pictured)'' in [[Tokyo]].
| image = File:New national stadium tokyo 1.jpg
| sources       = [https://www.radiotimes.com/tv/sport/paralympics-start-time-dates-2021/], [https://www.eurosport.com/paralympics/paralympics-toyko-2021-how-to-watch-the-paralympics-opening-ceremony-when-is-it-on-what-is-it_sto8502082/story.shtml]
| updated       =
| ITNR = yes
| nominator     = BabbaQ<!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = 
| nom cmt       = 2020 Summer Paralympics starts today. The worlds biggest summer sports event for the disabled. Even if blurb is not approved, this should go to Ongoing. Feel free to change blurb.
| sign          = [[User:BabbaQ|BabbaQ]] ([[User talk:BabbaQ|talk]]) 09:40, 24 August 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
* I'd support a blurb for the time being. When it rolls off, we can see if the articles are updated frequently enough to meet the Ongoing standards. We've had a lengthy discussion regarding the Olympics already. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 09:52, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support blurb''' for [[2020 Summer Paralympics]], as that article is of good quality. I know we usually/often post the opening ceremony article, but that article is a stub with an orange tagged for an undersourced section. So makes sense to post the main article, and if the opening ceremony article gets better in a few days time, we can always swap them. But silly to wait until if that happens. [[User:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b>]][[User talk:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#000000">2302</b>]] ([[User talk:Joseph2302|talk]]) 10:03, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' No question for the article's quality, but where is the image? [[Special:Contributions/180.254.161.71|180.254.161.71]] ([[User talk:180.254.161.71|talk]]) 12:17, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
:* Added an image of the national stadium. We may hopefully get freely licenced images of the opening ceremony in time. [[User:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b>]][[User talk:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#000000">2302</b>]] ([[User talk:Joseph2302|talk]]) 12:31, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support blurb''' We blurbed the Olympics, so we should also blurb the Paralympics. The opening ceremony has occurred (though I haven't seen it yet b/c US replay primetime hasn't happened yet as of posting this comment). -[[User:TenorTwelve|TenorTwelve]] ([[User talk:TenorTwelve|talk]]) 18:55, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 00:24, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

==== (Posted) RD: Kyle Anderson (darts player) ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Kyle Anderson (darts player)
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://dartsnews.com/pdc/former-auckland-darts-masters-champion-kyle-anderson-passes-away], [https://www.pdpa.co.uk/kyle-anderson-passes-away/]
| updated       = yes
| nominator     = Joseph2302 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = Joseph2302
| nom cmt       = Article looks in decent shape
| sign          = [[User:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b>]][[User talk:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#000000">2302</b>]] ([[User talk:Joseph2302|talk]]) 07:55, 24 August 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Support''' - Looks decent enough. [[User:BabbaQ|BabbaQ]] ([[User talk:BabbaQ|talk]]) 09:45, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 13:32, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

==== (Posted) RD: Mangala Samaraweera ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Mangala Samaraweera 
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.dailymirror.lk/latest_news/Mangala-passes-away-from-COVID-19/342-218909 Daily Mirror], [https://economynext.com/sri-lanka-former-finance-minister-mangala-samaraweera-passes-away-85380/ EconomyNext] 
| updated       = yes<!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Abishe <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = Abishe, Pachu Kannan, MediaJet<!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt       = served as a politician for over 30 years.
| sign          = [[User:Abishe|Abishe]] ([[User talk:Abishe|talk]]) 07:24, 24 August 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Support''' article looks good enough for RD apart from one issue: I don't see a source for death date. His death was announced on 24 August, but sources don't say he definitely died on that date, they say {{tq|a short while ago}} (this doesn't guarantee it's the same day). [[User:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b>]][[User talk:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#000000">2302</b>]] ([[User talk:Joseph2302|talk]]) 10:07, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
** I just added an extra ref that says he "passed away on Tuesday". That's today, the 24th. Hope that helps.--[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 13:17, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
*** Yes, the [https://www.thehindu.com/news/international/sri-lankas-former-foreign-minister-samaraweera-dies-of-covid-19/article36075905.ece new ref] is exactly what I was hoping for, as that explicitly says Tuesday. [[User:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b>]][[User talk:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#000000">2302</b>]] ([[User talk:Joseph2302|talk]]) 13:20, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - good enough to go.[[User:BabbaQ|BabbaQ]] ([[User talk:BabbaQ|talk]]) 11:13, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 13:32, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
== August 23 ==
{{cot|[[Portal:Current events/2021 August 23]]}}
{{Portal:Current events/2021 August 23}}
{{cob}}
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==== (Posted) RD: William J. Boarman ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = William J. Boarman
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.gpo.gov/who-we-are/news-media/news-and-press-releases/gpo-mourns-the-passing-of-former-public-printer-bill-boarman USGPO],  [https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/obituaries/william-boarman-who-led-government-printing-office-dies-at-75/2021/08/27/6368b066-073c-11ec-8c3f-3526f81b233b_story.html WaPo]<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| nominator     = PFHLai
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updaters      = Pmarm , Pachu Kannan, PFHLai <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt       = The 26th [[Public Printer of the United States]]. Died on August 22nd. Death announced by the [[United States Government Publishing Office]] on August 23rd. Obituary in the ''Washington Post'' on August 27th. This wikibio needs quite a bit of work to get its referencing cleaned up. Not sure if this can be done while this nom is still eligible. Oh, well,... please feel free to jump in and fix things as you see fit. <!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
| sign          = --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 11:07, 28 August 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 02:59, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

==== RD: Rosita Quintana ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Rosita Quintana
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://cnnespanol.cnn.com/2021/08/23/muere-rosita-quintana-estrella-epoca-oro-cine-mexicano-orix/ CNN En Español], [https://www.latimes.com/espanol/entretenimiento/articulo/2021-08-23/muere-la-actriz-argentina-rosita-quintana LA Times] (In Spanish)
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = SirEdimon <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt       = A "legend" of the [[Golden Age of Mexican cinema|Mexican Golden Age]]. The article is missing some refs, specially in the filmography section. I'll try to work on it. <!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
| sign          =--[[User:SirEdimon|<span style="color:#000000;font-family:Broadway;">SirEd</span>]] <sup>[[User_talk:SirEdimon|<span style="#0015A8;font-family:Comic Sans MS;">Dimmi!!!</span>]]</sup> 04:53, 24 August 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Weak oppose''' some more sources are needed, but above all that her "Life and career" section be expanded a bit. [[User:Alsoriano97|_-_Alsoriano97]] ([[User talk:Alsoriano97|talk]]) 10:30, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Unsourced list of works.—[[User:Bagumba|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba|talk]]) 10:00, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

====(Posted) RD: Jimmy Hayes (ice hockey) ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Jimmy Hayes (ice hockey)
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/08/23/sports/jimmy-hayes-former-bruin-boston-college-hockey-champ-dies-31/ Boston Globe]
| updated       = yes
| nominator     = Muboshgu <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = Muboshgu
| nom cmt       = <!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
| sign          = &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 18:59, 23 August 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Oppose''' needs a few more citations, there's about 5 or 6 places where citations are needed (which is too many for it to be on front page right now, in my opinion). [[User:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b>]][[User talk:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#000000">2302</b>]] ([[User talk:Joseph2302|talk]]) 11:15, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
*:{{u|Joseph2302}}, I think I've cited it all. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 17:38, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Good to go now that it's updated. [[User:Teemu08|Teemu08]] ([[User talk:Teemu08|talk]]) 01:13, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Posted to RD'''. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082529">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T•</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">C</span>]]</sup> 02:17, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
== August 22 ==
{{cot|[[Portal:Current events/2021 August 22]]}}
{{Portal:Current events/2021 August 22}}
{{cob}}
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==== (Posted) RD: Kay Bullitt ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Kay Bullitt<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/obituaries/kay-bullitt-seattle-philanthropist-and-civil-rights-activist-dies-at-96/ Seattle Times]<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = y<!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updaters      = Viste-Ross , Tommieboi <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt       = R.I.P.<!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
| sign          = --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 02:10, 26 August 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Support''' Solid coverage of subject's life and career, referenced. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082529">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T•</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">C</span>]]</sup> 22:16, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' A couple of unsourced, semi-trivial details about her family members. Otherwise well cited.—[[User:Bagumba|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba|talk]]) 10:56, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
**Thank you for pointing this out, Bagumba. I thought I had already fixed this line (apparently from her daughter a few year back). All her kids, including Benjamin who had died earlier, were listed in her obituary in the Seattle Times. I meant to put a footnote there but forgot. I have simplified that sentence a bit and inserted the requisite footnote just now. Hope this helps. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 21:21, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 09:21, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

====(Posted) RD: Lloyd Dobyns====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Lloyd Dobyns
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://apnews.com/article/middle-east-arts-and-entertainment-6b2cc1738201cb1799fc88dbc4c53158 Associated Press]; [https://deadline.com/2021/08/lloyd-dobyns-jr-dead-former-nbc-anchor-correspondent-was-85-1234821547/ ''Deadline Hollywood'']
| updated       = yes
| nominator = Bloom6132
| updaters      = Bloom6132
| nom cmt       = 
| sign          = [[User:Bloom6132|Bloom6132]] ([[User talk:Bloom6132|talk]]) 09:22, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
}}
*'''Support''' Slim but meets minimum standards. Referenced. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082529">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T•</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">C</span>]]</sup> 22:15, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 01:14, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

====(Posted) RD: Rod Gilbert====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Rod Gilbert
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/22/sports/rod-gilbert-dead.html ''The New York Times'']; [https://apnews.com/article/sports-nhl-canada-new-york-rangers-nyc-state-wire-d084f0d6fee1c09f62c5a3e654e9e398 Associated Press]; [https://www.nhl.com/news/rod-gilbert-dies-at-80-hall-of-fame-forward-with-rangers/c-326007750 NHL.com]
| updated       = yes
| nominator = Bloom6132
| updaters      = Bloom6132
| nom cmt       = 
| sign          = [[User:Bloom6132|Bloom6132]] ([[User talk:Bloom6132|talk]]) 08:40, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
}}
*'''Support''' New York Ranger, no relation to the Tennessee Gilberts (or their southern pronunciation), citation seems fine. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 11:50, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' looks fine to me, have marked as ready. [[User:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b>]][[User talk:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#000000">2302</b>]] ([[User talk:Joseph2302|talk]]) 16:04, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Posted'''—[[User:Bagumba|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba|talk]]) 17:56, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

==== (Closed) Tennessee floods ====
{{atop|No consensus to post. [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 04:58, 25 August 2021 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate 
| article = 2021 Tennessee floods
| image = 
| blurb = '''[[2021 Tennessee floods|Flash flooding]]''' in the U.S. state of [[Tennessee]] kills at least 22 people.
| recent deaths =
| ongoing =
| ITNR =
| altblurb = 
| altblurb2 = 
| sources = [https://apnews.com/article/floods-tennessee-d35389e7d661cb1a225ae55af332022e AP], [https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/21/us/tennessee-flash-floods.html NY Times], [https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/aug/22/tennessee-floods-death-toll-22-biden-waverly-record-rainfall Guardian], [https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/08/22/tennessee-flooding-deaths/ WaPo]

| updated =
| nominator = Ionmars10
| creator       = United States Man
| updaters = 
| nom cmt = Several dozen people currently missing; broke rainfall records originally set in [[2010 Tennessee floods|2010]].
| sign = [[User:Ionmars10|Ionmars10]] ([[User talk:Ionmars10|talk]]) 21:22, 22 August 2021 (UTC)}}

*'''Support''' -- floods rarely are this devastating in the developed world. -- [[User:Rockstone35|<span style="color:#DF0101"><b>Rockstone</b></span>]][[User talk:Rockstone35|<span style="color:0000ff;font-size:8px"><small><sup><b>[Send me a message!]</b></sup></small></span>]] 22:08, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' some uncited text in article and is one of the less impactful/noteworthy weather events occurring in the U.S. right now. Would support a blurb ''explicitly'' about Henri tho but without mentioning each state. [[Special:Contributions/98.116.81.179|98.116.81.179]] ([[User talk:98.116.81.179|talk]]) 22:14, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Tennessee floods regularly.  This is a bad one, but trivial in the big scheme of things. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 22:15, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
::They broke the state record for rain in a day by 25% and 22 deaths is over the [[User:IntoThinAir/Things_that_won%27t_get_posted_to_ITN#cite_note-29|11-17 where even US mass shootings get in]]. [[User:Sagittarian Milky Way|Sagittarian Milky Way]] ([[User talk:Sagittarian Milky Way|talk]]) 22:56, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' – Well, not exactly trivial, but parochial and probably lacking broader signficance. It's a weather story, after all. – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 22:31, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' this isn't "In the American (local) news", not ITN worthy. And article is way short on quality too. [[User:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b>]][[User talk:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#000000">2302</b>]] ([[User talk:Joseph2302|talk]]) 22:32, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
::::<small>There's a snark in your lordship's remark. – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 22:58, 22 August 2021 (UTC)</small>
:* I don't understand your logic; you're not supposed to oppose because it's local news. That's one of the criteria. -- [[User:Rockstone35|<span style="color:#DF0101"><b>Rockstone</b></span>]][[User talk:Rockstone35|<span style="color:0000ff;font-size:8px"><small><sup><b>[Send me a message!]</b></sup></small></span>]] 03:17, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
::::<small>All news is local somewhere, or so they say. – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 13:32, 23 August 2021 (UTC)</small>
*'''Oppose''' I have only seen floods in Asia than the U.S., because in the U.S. floods appears regularly while in Asia floods can be unexpected despite the regularity. [[Special:Contributions/36.77.93.99|36.77.93.99]] ([[User talk:36.77.93.99|talk]]) 23:10, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Question''': Are those images on the wikipage really in PD? Wikiarticles with images that are potentially copyvio should not get on ITN as the bold link.--[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 01:37, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' it seems exhaustingly futile to bring this up, but we posted three different floods in July (one twice) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates/July_2021#(Posted)_2021_Maharashtra_floods] [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates/July_2021#(Posted)_Typhoon_In-fa_and_2021_Henan_floods] [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates/July_2021#(Posted)_2021_European_floods] and not a single one was dismissed as "parochial" (which is listed in please-do-not above anyway). Floods in Tennessee are actually not as common as monsoons in SE Asia. The article is already more detailed than the posted [[2021 Maharashtra floods]]. Honestly, if commentators would just "'''Oppose''' I do not want to see stories about the United States posted" I'd at least respect the honestly. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:LaserLegs|LaserLegs]] ([[User talk:LaserLegs#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/LaserLegs|contribs]]) 01:48, 23 August 2021 (UTC)</span>
:*While I agree with your sentiment, there were a lot more deaths from floods in those countries. Also, I have no idea what the IP above is saying, does anyone know? -- [[User:Rockstone35|<span style="color:#DF0101"><b>Rockstone</b></span>]][[User talk:Rockstone35|<span style="color:0000ff;font-size:8px"><small><sup><b>[Send me a message!]</b></sup></small></span>]] 03:17, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' A reminder of context: it looks like a baby flood to most of the world but Tennessee and presumably wherever else about to get hit are woefully under-prepared. Let's see if it sustains past this news cycle before a newsworthy vote, and by then I assume the weather project will have improved the article. [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 05:55, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' In the last two days, 42% of nominations have been of the Tennessee death variety. That's not a good thing or a bad thing. Just plain remarkable. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 06:11, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' I'd consider posting natural disasters that are 1) rare occurrence (e.g. summer floods in dry areas such as Southern Europe, North Africa, Southwestern Untied States), 2) cause unprecedented damage (e.g. high number of casualties, severe destruction of buildings and infrastructure, and also labelled as the worst floods in a long period of time such as [[2021 European floods]]) or 3) severely impact large areas (e.g. tropical cyclones in southeastern North America and typhoons in Southeast Asia that are regular but result in mass evacuations every year). This one fails to meet all three. I see that we posted [[2010 Tennessee floods]] but this doesn't seem to be of the same scale.--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 06:36, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
* '''Comment''' – Reserving judgment for now, as several reports say dozens missing. – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 12:16, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
*:[https://www.tn.gov/tbi/tennessees-missing-children/missing-children-18-older.html That's] [https://www.tn.gov/tbi/tbis-top-10-most-wanted.html nothing] [https://www.tn.gov/tbi/tennessees-missing-children.html new.] [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 12:53, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
*::Could reach a tipping p†. – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 13:28, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
*:::I don't understand. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 15:44, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
* As a broad general comment - we should avoid posting "small" death tolls from natural disasters that themselves are routine/annual (tornados in spring-summer in the US, floods in spring in Asia, wildfires in nearly all places in spring-summer, etc.), where "small" is going to be for debate. But flooding is rather unusual in the US when ''not'' tied to hurricanes, and 20-some is generally not considered small. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 14:52, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
:*Summer floods in the US may be unusual in [[San Francisco]], [[Phoenix, Arizona|Phoenix]] or [[Las Vegas]] and I'd probably support a blurb if these cities get flooded whatever the damage or casualties. But for places with even distribution of precipitation throughout the year where every third summer day experiences rain on average, it's definitely not unusual.--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 15:59, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
::::<small>I modestly suggest that it's not the amount of rain involved that may be significant, it's the number of people who lost their lives. – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 18:51, 23 August 2021 (UTC)</small>
:::They broke the state record for rain in a day by over 25%. [[User:Sagittarian Milky Way|Sagittarian Milky Way]] ([[User talk:Sagittarian Milky Way|talk]]) 16:21, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. Unusual flash flood event. It led to deaths precisely because the amount of rainfall is unusual and was not predicted. If this sort of weather event were a normal thing, then people would have been warned and evacuated as a precaution. [[User:Count Iblis|Count Iblis]] ([[User talk:Count Iblis|talk]]) 18:29, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
* '''Comment''' – That the victims presumably are (mostly) U.S.-Americans should have nothing to do with assessing the significance of this event. – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 18:46, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
{{abot}}

==== LeMans 24 race ==== 
{{ITN candidate 
| article = 2021 24 Hours of Le Mans 
| image = 
| blurb = [[Kamui Kobayashi]] of [[Toyota Gazoo Racing]] takes the chequered flag in the '''[[2021 24 Hours of Le Mans]]''' in a [[Le Mans Hypercar|Hypercar]] whilst [[Team WRT]] win [[Le Mans Prototype#LMP2|LMP2]] and [[AF Corse]] win [[LM GTE|GTEAm and GTEPro]] series 
| altblurb      = In motorsport, [[Mike Conway]], [[Kamui Kobayashi]] and [[José María López]] of [[Toyota Gazoo Racing]] win the '''[[2021 24 Hours of Le Mans|24 Hours of Le Mans]]'''.
| recent deaths = no 
| ongoing = no 
| ITNR = yes
| altblurb2 = 
| sources = 
| updated = no 
| nominator = Abcmaxx 
| updaters = 
| nom cmt = Article needs major update and work to reflect the race results
| sign = [[User:Abcmaxx|Abcmaxx]] ([[User talk:Abcmaxx|talk]]) 15:23, 22 August 2021 (UTC)}}
*'''Oppose''' lacking citations and lacking prose. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 16:56, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' Why in the world would you use language like "takes the chequered flag" when you know there's a 0% chance we would use anything besides "wins"? Also, I can't imagine we would post the winner of every class- that'd be like also posting the winner of a weekend's NASCAR Truck Series race. Additionally, '''oppose''' because the article is incredibly weak. -- [[User:Kicking222|Kicking222]] ([[User talk:Kicking222|talk]]) 19:36, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
:: '''Response''' Because there's 3 rotating drivers, so he is 1 of winners just happens to be the one that went last. No idea what NASCAR Trucks series looks like but this very different [[User:Abcmaxx|Abcmaxx]] ([[User talk:Abcmaxx|talk]]) 19:45, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
:::If that's the case, I feel like either mention all 3 drivers or none of them. [[User:Bait30|<span style='color: #ffffff;background-color: #bf5700;'><b>&nbsp;Bait30&nbsp;</b></span>]]&nbsp;[[User Talk:Bait30|<sup><span style='color: #ffffff;background-color: #bf5700;'><b>''Talk 2 me pls''?</b></span></sup>]] 21:11, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' the article doesn't even have the race results, yet alone adequate prose for an article wanting to be on the front page. And blurb should be the three drivers and team name that won, rather than every class. Reliable sources headline just ghe winners, not every class, and so should we. [[User:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b>]][[User talk:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#000000">2302</b>]] ([[User talk:Joseph2302|talk]]) 22:28, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
* '''<s>Oppose</s> Comment''' – Impactfulness nonapparent. – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 22:32, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
:* It's ITNR, so only consideration is article quality not importance. [[User:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b>]][[User talk:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#000000">2302</b>]] ([[User talk:Joseph2302|talk]]) 22:38, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' altblurb added- <s>if someone could fix template so it actually shows, would be good.</s> [[User:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b>]][[User talk:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#000000">2302</b>]] ([[User talk:Joseph2302|talk]]) 22:35, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Not ready''', not even close. At minimum there needs to be a couple of paragraphs of referenced prose describing what happened at the race. The contrast with the level of coverage in [[2020 24 Hours of Le Mans|the 2020 article]] is immense. If/when the article is substantially expanded, the altblurb is the way to go. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 12:13, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
*:Update: the article is still just tables with no prose. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 13:04, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

==== RD: Joe Grech (snooker player)====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Joe Grech (snooker player)
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://timesofmalta.com/articles/view/former-world-amateur-billiards-champion-joe-grech-dies-aged-66.894826 Joe Grech]
| updated       = Yes
| nominator     = Abishe <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = Abishe, Lankyant
| nom cmt       = 1997 World Amateur Billiards champion and 21 times Maltese English Billiards Championship winner. 
| sign          = [[User:Abishe|Abishe]] ([[User talk:Abishe|talk]]) 12:02, 22 August 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Oppose''' Needs more references. [[User:Pawnkingthree|Pawnkingthree]] ([[User talk:Pawnkingthree|talk]]) 21:31, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
* Just added a few {CN} tags. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 01:27, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

==== (Posted) RD: Jeanne Robertson ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Jeanne Robertson
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.wral.com/nc-humorist-dies-unexpectedly-at-77/19836994/], [https://www.facebook.com/JeanneLaughs]
| updated       = Yes
| nominator     = EEBuchanan <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = EEBuchanan, Sunshineisles2, Mya Lopez
| nom cmt       = Jeanne Robertson, a highly accomplished woman (former [[Miss North Carolina]], [[Toastmaster]], humorist, Motivational Speaker, Athlete, list goes on) passed away recently, and I think she is accomplished enough to deserve a mention. 
| sign          = [[User:EEBuchanan|EEBuchanan]] ([[User talk:EEBuchanan|talk]]) 05:27, 22 August 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*{{u|EEBuchanan}} Just FYI, as long as a person merits an article, the article may be posted to RD, we no longer debate notability for RD postings. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 07:07, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
* '''Support''' This wikibio is long enough and has enough footnotes at the expected spots. There is one {{tl|cn}} tag, but this should not disqualify this nom for RD. It's '''READY for RD'''. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 11:20, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
*:Fixed that lone CN tag. Cheers. [[User:Ktin|Ktin]] ([[User talk:Ktin|talk]]) 19:49, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' too many primary sources, [[WP:ABOUTSELF]] says that these are acceptable only if {{tq|the article is not based primarily on such sources.}} There are many primary sources (her website and YouTube videos), and these are used for more than just basic info about her. Also the dead link used 12 times as a source fails verifiabiliy too, meaning there are huge chunks of this article without verifiable secondary sourcing. [[User:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b>]][[User talk:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#000000">2302</b>]] ([[User talk:Joseph2302|talk]]) 23:18, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' I am not sure what Joseph2302 means. The article has no less than 25 sources and only four are based off her youtube channel. Also nearly everything with a youtube-based source has a secondary source from a different site. [[User:EEBuchanan|EEBuchanan]] ([[User talk:EEBuchanan|talk]]) 13:22, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
::I think [[User:Joseph2302]] was referring to Ref.#2 (the deadlink) and #14 being used 10+ times each in the wikibio, and #14 used to link to an article [https://web.archive.org/web/20130323214026/http://jeannerobertson.com/jeanne_robertson_speaks_at_WhiteHouse.htm archived at the subject's own website]. I have found that [https://www.elon.edu/u/news/2008/04/30/elon-trustee-jeanne-robertson-is-featured-speaker-at-white-house-event/ original article] and have changed the link back to its original site. I have also added a few extra refs. Ref.#2 is rarely used alone in the wikibio now. Hope this helps. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 01:56, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
:: I am now too involved with this article and therefore should recuse myself from further review. Another admin, please, will have to review this nom and post this on ITN as they see fit. Thanks. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 02:18, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 04:55, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
== August 21 ==
{{cot|[[Portal:Current events/2021 August 21]]}}
{{Portal:Current events/2021 August 21}}
{{cob}}
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==== RD: Don Everly ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = The Everly Brothers
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = ''[https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/don-everly-dead-everly-brothers-121239/ Rolling Stone]'', [https://deadline.com/2021/08/don-everly-dies-groundbreaking-singer-of-the-everly-brothers-was-84-1234819495/ Deadline Hollywood]
| updated       = no
| nominator     = Teemu08 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt       = Half of the legendary duo. Article is not currently up to snuff, but posting here in hopes that someone will take it on.
| sign          = [[User:Teemu08|Teemu08]] ([[User talk:Teemu08|talk]]) 13:40, 22 August 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}

* '''Weak oppose''' for now, due to quality of the article. Phil and Don Everly should probably have their own pages separate from the Everly Brothers group, though, and I'm quite surprised they do not. [[User:Doc Strange| Doc Strange]]<sup>[[User talk:Doc Strange|Mailbox]]</sup><small>[[Special:Contributions/Doc Strange|Logbook]]</small> 18:35, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
* '''Comment'''. Article does require some work before it can get to homepage / RD. However, I do not think we need to separate the page into two articles just for getting to homepage / RD. IIRC, we have piped articles such as this while posting on homepage. RIP. [[User:Ktin|Ktin]] ([[User talk:Ktin|talk]]) 19:52, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
**The amount of activity that either brother did alone relative to the activity they did as brothers or as a musical group is sufficiently small that separate articles for each brother does not make sense. Neither brother is really notable on their own (a case could easily be made) but a more comprehensive and better article is obtained when both are talked about together. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 20:25, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Sir Paul says Let 'Em In ...RD. [[User:CoatCheck|CoatCheck]] ([[User talk:CoatCheck|talk]]) 00:36, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' With all due respect to Sir Paul, and fully aware of singing duo batch propriety, there are just too many citations ''explicitly'' needed to put a fork in this undone biography. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 06:18, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
* There are still about 20 {CN} tags in this wikibio that need to be resolved before this nomination can proceed. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 11:15, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

==== (Posted) RD: Phil Valentine ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Phil Valentine
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/phil-valentine-radio-covid-vaccine-dead-obituary-1206303/ Rolling Stone]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Muboshgu <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = Muboshgu, TheNewMinistry, United States Man
| nom cmt       = Anti-vaxxer dies from complications of .... guess what
| sign          = &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 22:38, 21 August 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Preliminary diagnosis''' Subject entered cardipulmonary arrest due to inability to breathe, cough or move, resulting from acute paralytic toxicity and weeks of mechanical stress in prone position on non-resistant lungs, circulatory systems and overall neck area, complicating an atrophied diaphragm and society's normal antiviral response to COVID-related pneumonia. [https://www.laloftblog.com/2021/08/19/covid-19-a-pandemic-of-ventilator-deaths-what-they-dont-want-you-to-know/ Manner, Natural. RD Readiness, Undetermined.] [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 05:40, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
*:Helpful as always. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 20:28, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 03:43, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

==== (Posted) RD: Kalyan Singh ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Kalyan Singh
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/former-uttar-pradesh-chief-minister-kalyan-singh-dies-at-89-2515782#pfrom=home-ndtv_topscroll NTDV], [https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/former-up-cm-kalyan-singh-passes-away-at-89/articleshow/85518328.cms Times of India]<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Pharaoh of the Wizards <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = Vanamonde93  <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt       = Noted Indian Politician  .<!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
| sign          = [[User:Pharaoh of the Wizards|Pharaoh of the Wizards]] ([[User talk:Pharaoh of the Wizards|talk]]) 16:33, 21 August 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*I spent the last couple of days rewriting this, should be in decent shape. <span style="font-family:Papyrus">[[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User Talk:Vanamonde93|Talk]])</span> 17:43, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
* '''Support''' This wikibio is long enough and has enough footnotes at the expected spots. It's '''READY for RD'''. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 19:02, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Looks good --[[User:Vacant0|Vacant0]] ([[User talk:Vacant0|talk]]) 11:27, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 13:12, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
== August 20 ==
{{cot|[[Portal:Current events/2021 August 20]]}}
{{Portal:Current events/2021 August 20}}
{{cob}}
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====(Posted) RD: David Roberts (climber)====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = David Roberts (climber)
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/08/22/metro/david-roberts-mountaineer-dean-adventure-writing-dies-78/ ''The Boston Globe'']
| updated       = yes
| nominator = Bloom6132
| updaters      = Bloom6132
| nom cmt       = 
| sign          = [[User:Bloom6132|Bloom6132]] ([[User talk:Bloom6132|talk]]) 01:38, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
}}
*'''Weak support''' Career section could use some more fleshing out but meets minimum standards. Book titles in the bibliography should be italicized. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082529">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T•</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">C</span>]]</sup> 01:59, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 04:48, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

==== RD: Igor Vovkovinskiy ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Igor Vovkovinskiy<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/tallest-man-u-s-who-was-7-foot-8-dies-n1277491 NBC NEWS]<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = yes<!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Count Iblis <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt       = <!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
| sign          = [[User:Count Iblis|Count Iblis]] ([[User talk:Count Iblis|talk]]) 03:59, 24 August 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
* '''Comments/Suggestion''': This 1164-character wikibio is too stubby for RD. There are quite a few English-language obituary online now. Can this stub be expanded a bit based on materials from these new obituaries? --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 02:22, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
* '''Oppose''' Too short.—[[User:Bagumba|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba|talk]]) 10:38, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

==== (Posted) RD: Tom T. Hall ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Tom T. Hall
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/20/entertainment/tom-t-hall-obit/index.html CNN], [https://www.tennessean.com/story/entertainment/music/2021/08/20/tom-t-hall-dies-85-franklin-tennessee-storyteller-country-music/8219502002/ Tennessean]<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Rawmustard <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = Teemu08
| nom cmt       = Standard disclaimer of some claims needing references.<!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
| sign          = [[User:Rawmustard|rawmustard]] ([[User talk:Rawmustard|talk]]) 06:34, 21 August 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Support''' Cleaned it up, should be decent now. [[User:Teemu08|Teemu08]] ([[User talk:Teemu08|talk]]) 13:36, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' This wikibio is long enough and has footnotes where refs are expected. This nom is '''READY for RD'''. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 16:56, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Article is improved for RD, kudos to those working to get it ready. [[User:CoatCheck|CoatCheck]] ([[User talk:CoatCheck|talk]]) 00:33, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 03:22, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

==== RD: Chuck Close====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Chuck Close
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2021/aug/20/chuck-close-painter-of-outsized-photorealist-portraits-dies-aged-81 Guardian]
| updated       = Yes
| nominator     = 2A00:23C5:5082:6101:5168:6B97:2327:A0C6 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = Edwardx
| nom cmt       = American photorealist painter. Article looks in good shape and well referenced.
| sign          = [[Special:Contributions/2A00:23C5:5082:6101:5168:6B97:2327:A0C6|2A00:23C5:5082:6101:5168:6B97:2327:A0C6]] ([[User talk:2A00:23C5:5082:6101:5168:6B97:2327:A0C6|talk]]) 17:09, 20 August 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Comment:''' CN tags and unreferenced paragraphs in article; intro could use some expansion as well. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082529">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T•</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">C</span>]]</sup> 01:57, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

==== (Posted) New Malaysian Prime Minister appointed ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Ismail Sabri Yaakob<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = [[Ismail Sabri Yaakob]] ''(pictured)'' is '''[[2020–2021 Malaysian political crisis|appointed]]''' as the [[Prime Minister of Malaysia]].<!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR          = yes <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb      = [[Ismail Sabri Yaakob]] ''(pictured)'' is '''[[2020–2021 Malaysian political crisis|appointed]]''' as the [[Prime Minister of Malaysia]], replacing [[Muhyiddin Yassin]], who had recently resigned.
| altblurb2     = [[Ismail Sabri Yaakob]] ''(pictured)'' is '''[[2020–2021 Malaysian political crisis|sworn in]]''' as the [[Prime Minister of Malaysia]], marking the [[United Malays National Organisation|UMNO]]'s return to power after three years.
| altblurb3     = [[Ismail Sabri Yaakob]] ''(pictured)'' is appointed by the [[Yang di-Pertuan Agong|King]] of [[Malaysia]] as its 9th '''[[Prime Minister of Malaysia|Prime Minister]]'''.
| sources       = [https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/view-malaysias-king-picks-ismail-sabri-new-prime-minister-2021-08-20/ Reuters], [https://apnews.com/article/race-and-ethnicity-malaysia-7a1619a942f991f1a5ee9cfd519d1fce AP], [https://www.dw.com/en/malaysia-ismail-sabri-yaakob-appointed-new-prime-minister/a-58916386 DW], [https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/ismail-sabri-to-be-sworn-in-as-malaysias-new-pm The Straits Times]<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = yes<!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = 36.77.95.182 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator       = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters      = Starship.paint, 182.3.103.78<!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt       = I'm a people that does not fluently speak and write English, but Ismail Sabri Yaakob has been appointed as Malaysian Prime Minister. Anyone can adding a new information about him, but the change of government is ITN/R.
| sign          = [[Special:Contributions/36.77.95.182|36.77.95.182]] ([[User talk:36.77.95.182|talk]]) 10:43, 20 August 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Comment''' - apparently he takes over tomorrow, so I guess it should wait until then. Also, both [[2020–21 Malaysian political crisis]] and the bio article [[Ismail Sabri Yaakob]] have lots of sourcing issues at present. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 10:53, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
:*'''Comment''' The reporting by reliable sources is occurring today, so I would surmise it's just a matter of having the articles front-page worthy with the actual assumption of office a formality (cf. the Zambian election posting). [[User:Rawmustard|rawmustard]] ([[User talk:Rawmustard|talk]]) 13:15, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' - I have been updating all the pages involved in this, including addressing sourcing issues (particular in the [[Sheraton move]] page) and also added this to [[Portal:Current events/2021 August 20]] earlier today. Will not vote on this though as I have been doing the editing myself. [[User:Arcahaeoindris|Arcahaeoindris]] ([[User talk:Arcahaeoindris|talk]]) 15:49, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' - see [[Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates#(Closed)_Malaysia_government_collapses]] - we didn't post his predecessor's ([[Muhyiddin Yassin]]) resignation until his successor arrived. '''[[User:Starship.paint|<span style="color:#512888">starship</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Starship.paint|<span style="color:#512888">.paint</span>]] ([[User talk:Starship.paint|exalt]])''' 06:22, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Update''' - [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JX2QU7iqpOc Sabri has just been installed today]. [[Special:Contributions/180.244.175.3|180.244.175.3]] ([[User talk:180.244.175.3|talk]]) 07:26, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
:Bloody hell, they removed the video. --[[Special:Contributions/180.244.175.3|180.244.175.3]] ([[User talk:180.244.175.3|talk]]) 11:07, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' Is there any particular reason why the PMs article is not the target one? At a quick glance, it has less tags and other issues than the lenghty crisis one. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 11:00, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support altblurb II''' New PM is already sworn in, so it may be necessary to posted. [[Special:Contributions/116.206.35.10|116.206.35.10]] ([[User talk:116.206.35.10|talk]]) 13:49, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' World leaders are already making calls to this leader. We hope we are not late in posting the news--[[User:Exec8|Exec8]] ([[User talk:Exec8|talk]]) 06:19, 22 August 2021 (UTC).
* '''Comments''': The story is ITN material, but which link should be bolded in the blurb? The proposed bolded link leads to [[2020–2021 Malaysian political crisis]], an article with three orange tags. We can't use it on ITN like that. '''Is there any SUPPORT''' for the article [[Ismail Sabri Yaakob]] instead? Please focus on article quality and its readiness for an appearance on MainPage. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 13:24, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
::I think [[2020–2021 Malaysian political crisis]] is an correct bolded link because there were a chronology resulting from resignations and appointments of Malaysian Prine Ministers. Feel free if you want to bolded Ismail Sabri Yaakob or Prime Minister of Malaysia instead in the main page because regardless of that, the story can be posted. [[Special:Contributions/114.125.249.235|114.125.249.235]] ([[User talk:114.125.249.235|talk]]) 18:37, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
::: [[2020–2021 Malaysian political crisis]] is not eligible for ITN purposes till the orange-tagged issues are resolved. It has three such tags. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 19:40, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
:::: I think the 3rd blurb would be a good compromise. -- [[User:Exec8|Exec8]] ([[User talk:Exec8|talk]]) 02:08, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' alt III. [[User:Robertsky|– robertsky]] ([[User talk:Robertsky|talk]]) 08:36, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
*Posting. But I will bold the PMs article, as it makes more sense. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 09:40, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' Shouldn't there at least be a bit of mention towards the political crisis that precipitated this. [[User:Gotitbro|Gotitbro]] ([[User talk:Gotitbro|talk]]) 14:52, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
:*'''Comment''' yes, I agree it needs to be mentioned. I wish to suggest alt blurb:  "[[Ismail Sabri Yaakob]] ''(pictured)'' is appointed by the [[Yang di-Pertuan Agong|King]] of [[Malaysia]] as its 9th '''[[Prime Minister of Malaysia|Prime Minister]]''' amid a [[2020-21 Malaysian political crisis|political crisis]]." It's worth noting the article for Ismail Sabri is currently only considered "start-class" by WikiProject Malaysia, and still has multiple language issues. It was in even worse shape just a few days before his appointment. The article for the political crisis has a few tags to improve certain sections, but is much more well developed, sourced and written than that of Ismail Sabri. [[User:Arcahaeoindris|Arcahaeoindris]] ([[User talk:Arcahaeoindris|talk]]) 22:05, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
== August 19 ==
{{cot|[[Portal:Current events/2021 August 19]]}}
{{Portal:Current events/2021 August 19}}
{{cob}}
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==== (Posted) RD: Peter Harding (RAF officer, born 1933)  ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Peter Harding (RAF officer, born 1933) <!-- Do not wikilink -->
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.telegraph.co.uk/obituaries/2021/08/22/marshal-raf-sir-peter-harding-charismatic-imposing-chief-defence/ Telegraph]
| updated       =  y <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updaters      = Lyddonian <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt       = R.I.P. <!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
| sign          = --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 06:36, 25 August 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Support''' article in good shape. [[User:Alsoriano97|_-_Alsoriano97]] ([[User talk:Alsoriano97|talk]]) 10:46, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 00:21, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

==== RD: Junaid Babunagari ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Junaid Babunagari <!-- Do not wikilink -->
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://gulfnews.com/world/asia/bangladeshs-firebrand-islamist-leader-junaid-babunagari-dies-1.1629435513870 (GulfNews)], [https://www.dhakatribune.com/bangladesh/nation/2021/08/20/hefazat-ameer-junaid-babunagari-buried-in-hathazari-madrasa (DhakaTribune)]<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = y<!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updaters      = Al Riaz Uddin Ripon <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt       = Help with referencing is needed. <!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
| sign          = --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 05:28, 21 August 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}

====(Posted) RD: James W. Loewen====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = James W. Loewen
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/20/books/james-w-loewen-dead.html ''The New York Times'']; [https://apnews.com/article/entertainment-arts-and-entertainment-77ad500bdf0cfe0d20b61be8bb58844a Associated Press]
| updated       = yes
| nominator = Bloom6132
| updaters      = Bloom6132
| nom cmt       = 
| sign          = [[User:Bloom6132|Bloom6132]] ([[User talk:Bloom6132|talk]]) 01:30, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
}}

*'''Support''' Article is in good shape. A tragic loss. [[User:Hawkeye7|<span style="color:#800082">Hawkeye7</span>]] [[User_talk:Hawkeye7|<span style="font-size:80%">(discuss)</span>]] 02:17, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
* There are a number of footnoted refs that need to be reformatted, otherwise this wikibio is '''READY for RD'''. I am dressing up some of the bare URL, but need to get offline for a little bit. Please feel free to beat me to reformat the rest. Thanks. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 21:41, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
** I don't think we expect well formatted references as long as references are there (Though there is one dead link). Obviously, if it was only using all bare refs, that would be an issue, but the lack of normalization of refs isn't really a ITN quality issue. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 21:44, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
**: I have clothed the bare naked URLs, and raised the dead link from archive. [[User:Hawkeye7|<span style="color:#800082">Hawkeye7</span>]] [[User_talk:Hawkeye7|<span style="font-size:80%">(discuss)</span>]] 23:00, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 13:00, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

==== (Posted) RD: Michael Cullen ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Michael Cullen (politician)
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300387274/former-deputy-prime-minister-and-kiwisaver-architect-sir-michael-cullen-dies Stuff]
| updated       = yes
| nominator     = Nixinova <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt       = Former deputy prime minister of NZ, three decades in politics. Article in good shape.
| sign          = <b style="border:1px solid #0800aa"> [[User:Nixinova|Nixinova]] </b> <b style="border:1px solid #006eff"> [[User talk:Nixinova|T]] </b> <b style="border:1px solid #00a1ff"> [[Special:Contribs/Nixinova|C]] </b>  05:33, 20 August 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
* '''Support''' An important political figure in New Zealand for several decades. Article of good quality with adequate citations. [[User:Kiwichris|Kiwichris]] ([[User talk:Kiwichris|talk]]) 07:33, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' a few citations needed and some bare URLs. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 13:51, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
: I have improved the referencing based on this. [[User:Kiwichris|Kiwichris]] ([[User talk:Kiwichris|talk]]) 03:50, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' There are no more bare URLs left and only 1 {{tl|cn}} tag, which is not controversial at all. (More like a minor/trivial POV issue.) --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 13:07, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

==== (Posted) RD: Arthur J. Ammann ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Arthur J. Ammann
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.globalstrategies.org/news/global-strategies-founder-dr-arthur-ammann-1936-2021 Global Strategies] (the AIDS organisation he founded)
| updated       = yes
| nominator     = OwenBlacker <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = OwenBlacker
| nom cmt       = Immunologist who discovered HIV could be transmitted {{lang|la|in utero}} and through [[contaminated haemophilia blood products|contaminated blood products]] — 
| sign          = <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:OwenBlacker|OwenBlacker]]</span> <small>(he/him; [[User talk:OwenBlacker|Talk]]; please &#123;&#123;[[Template:ping|ping]]&#125;&#125; me in replies)</small></span> 20:17, 19 August 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
* '''Support''' Important doctor and researcher. Article seems good. Looks ready.[[User:Pyramids09|Pyramids09]] ([[User talk:Pyramids09|talk]]) 20:48, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' most awards/honours unreferenced. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 13:50, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per above. In fact the article would be better without the awards/honours section. [[User:Nigej|Nigej]] ([[User talk:Nigej|talk]]) 14:35, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
** {{ping|The Rambling Man|Nigej}} I've pruned off those bullet-points that seem to be unverifiable and added footnotes to the rest of the bullet-points in the awards/honors section. Better now? --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 16:37, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 02:36, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

==== RD: Sonny Chiba ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Sonny Chiba
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://variety.com/2021/film/news/sonny-chiba-dead-dies-martial-arts-kill-bill-1235044575/ Variety]
| updated       = yes
| nominator     = Masem <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt       = Prolific Japanese actor with more recent notable roles in ''Kill Bill'' and ''F&F: Tokyo Drift''. COVID-related death. Article needs a lot of sourcing TLC to post.
| sign          = [[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 17:06, 19 August 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Support''': International film star, well known in the West as well as East Asia. Coverage of death reported by major media outlets. Article is in good enough shape for RD. —[[User:CurryTime7-24|CurryTime7-24]] ([[User talk:CurryTime7-24|talk]]) 21:47, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Per CurryTime7. --[[User:NoonIcarus|NoonIcarus]] ([[User talk:NoonIcarus|talk]]) 22:22, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
* '''Support''' per CurryTime7. Inline refs could be better, but they're not problematically bad. — <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:OwenBlacker|OwenBlacker]]</span> <small>(he/him; [[User talk:OwenBlacker|Talk]]; please &#123;&#123;[[Template:ping|ping]]&#125;&#125; me in replies)</small></span> 22:31, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' – multiple unsourced paragraphs. —[[User:Bloom6132|Bloom6132]] ([[User talk:Bloom6132|talk]]) 22:34, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' needs a lot of work on sourcing. [[User:Pawnkingthree|Pawnkingthree]] ([[User talk:Pawnkingthree|talk]]) 22:40, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' There are several tags in the article. [[User:Hanamanteo|Hanamanteo]] ([[User talk:Hanamanteo|talk]]) 07:03, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

====(Posted) RD: Bill Freehan====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Bill Freehan
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.freep.com/story/sports/mlb/tigers/2021/08/19/bill-freehan-detroit-tigers-dies-alzheimers-disease/511651001/ ''Detroit Free Press'']; [https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/mlb/tigers/2021/08/19/bill-freehan-catcher-1968-champion-detroit-tigers-dies-79/8192888002/ ''The Detroit News'']; [https://www.mlb.com/news/bill-freehan-obituary MLB.com]
| updated       = yes
| nominator = Bloom6132
| updaters      = Bloom6132
| nom cmt       = 
| sign          = [[User:Bloom6132|Bloom6132]] ([[User talk:Bloom6132|talk]]) 16:51, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
}}
*'''Support''' Good depth of coverage; fully referenced. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082529">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T•</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">C</span>]]</sup> 17:45, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 01:14, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

====(Posted) RD: Volodymyr Holubnychy====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Volodymyr Holubnychy 
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.worldathletics.org/heritage/news/vladimir-golubnichiy-obituary World Athletics] 
| updated       = yes
| nominator     = Abishe 
| creator       = 
| updaters      = Abishe 
| nom cmt       = 5 time Olympian and 2 time Olympic champion.
| sign          = [[User:Abishe|Abishe]] ([[User talk:Abishe|talk]]) 15:10, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
}}
*'''Support''' looks good enough for RD. [[User:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b>]][[User talk:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#000000">2302</b>]] ([[User talk:Joseph2302|talk]]) 10:39, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Posted'''. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 12:19, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
== August 18 ==
{{cot|[[Portal:Current events/2021 August 18]]}}
{{Portal:Current events/2021 August 18}}
{{cob}}
----
====(Posted) RD: B. Wayne Hughes====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = B. Wayne Hughes
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-08-18/wayne-hughes-self-storage-titan-and-usc-donor-dead-at-87 ''Los Angeles Times'']; [https://apnews.com/article/sports-business-d148cc3edc1130077290d2f5873d2c60 Associated Press]
| updated       = yes
| nominator = Bloom6132
| updaters      = Bloom6132
| nom cmt       = 
| sign          = [[User:Bloom6132|Bloom6132]] ([[User talk:Bloom6132|talk]]) 10:34, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
}}
*'''Weak support''' Would like to see a little more detail about the subject's real estate career but what's there meets minimum standards. Referenced. '''[[User:Spencer|<span styolor:#082529">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T•</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">C</span>]]</sup> 14:12, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 12:59, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

==== (Posted) RD: Olav Akselsen ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Olav Akselsen
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.nrk.no/vestland/tidlegare-statsrad-og-sjofartsdirektor-olav-akselsen-er-dod-1.15614908 NRK], [https://www.dagsavisen.no/nyheter/innenriks/2021/08/18/tidligere-statsrad-olav-akselsen-er-dod/ Dagsavisen] (both in Norwegian)
| updated       = yes
| nominator     = Joseph2302 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = Joseph2302
| nom cmt       = Death announced on 18 August, looks like a decent article.
| sign          = [[User:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b>]][[User talk:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#000000">2302</b>]] ([[User talk:Joseph2302|talk]]) 15:46, 19 August 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Support''' – well-referenced (AGF all refs in Norwegian); looks like it meets minimum ITN requirements. —[[User:Bloom6132|Bloom6132]] ([[User talk:Bloom6132|talk]]) 21:43, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
*<s>'''Oppose''': Politician of only local importance.</s> —[[User:CurryTime7-24|CurryTime7-24]] ([[User talk:CurryTime7-24|talk]]) 22:56, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
*:That isn't a valid oppose, he's notable enough for a Wikipedia article as a member of the Norwegian parliament, therefore he is presumed notable enough for RD. [[User:Pawnkingthree|Pawnkingthree]] ([[User talk:Pawnkingthree|talk]]) 22:59, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
*::'''Support''': In that case, I retract my opposition and vote "support" based on sources AGF. —[[User:CurryTime7-24|CurryTime7-24]] ([[User talk:CurryTime7-24|talk]]) 23:05, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
* '''Posted'''. AGF'ing all non-English sources. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 02:16, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

====(Posted) RD: Franz Josef Altenburg====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Franz Josef Altenburg
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.ots.at/presseaussendung/OTS_20210819_OTS0081/das-mak-trauert-um-franz-josef-altenburg ots] and many in German
| updated       = yes
| nominator     = Gerda Arendt
| creator       = Thriley
| updaters      = Gerda Arendt, Grimes2
| nom cmt       = Notable Austrian ceramicist who just received the highest Austrian decoration for arts on the occasion of his 80th birthday, had no article yet, - thanks all who changed that.
| sign          = [[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 13:46, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
}}
*'''Support''': Notable artist of international standing. Good article; German sources check out. —[[User:CurryTime7-24|CurryTime7-24]] ([[User talk:CurryTime7-24|talk]]) 23:00, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' AGF'ing all non-English sources. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 03:13, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

====(Posted) RD: Joseph L. Galloway====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Joseph L. Galloway
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/obituaries/joseph-galloway-dead/2021/08/18/9c5f647a-feac-11eb-a664-4f6de3e17ff0_story.html ''The Washington Post'']; [https://apnews.com/article/middle-east-arts-and-entertainment-journalists-e5d9f451d781ab39d56d3d2e638eee2c Associated Press]; [https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2021/08/18/joe-galloway-obit-vietnam-UPI-war-correspondent/3991629312412/ United Press International]
| updated       = yes
| nominator = Bloom6132
| updaters      = Bloom6132
| nom cmt       = 
| sign          = [[User:Bloom6132|Bloom6132]] ([[User talk:Bloom6132|talk]]) 10:12, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
}}
*'''Support''' Appropriate depth of coverage; referenced. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082529">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T•</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">C</span>]]</sup> 12:33, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' more than good enough for RD. [[User:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b>]][[User talk:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#000000">2302</b>]] ([[User talk:Joseph2302|talk]]) 13:51, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' The article is in good shape and well-referenced. [[User:Hanamanteo|Hanamanteo]] ([[User talk:Hanamanteo|talk]]) 15:28, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 01:28, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

====(Posted) RD: Austin Mitchell====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Austin Mitchell<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-58257189 BBC]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Black Kite <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = 
| nom cmt       = Veteran British Member of Parliament.  Article is pretty good.
| sign          = [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 23:28, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
}}
*'''Support''' Article is good and well referenced. Seems good to go. [[User:Pyramids09|Pyramids09]] ([[User talk:Pyramids09|talk]]) 04:42, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 05:05, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

==== (Closed) Russia to test nuclear-powered, nuclear-armed cruise missile  ====
{{atop|The usual time waster. [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 00:04, 19 August 2021 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = 9M730 Burevestnik <!-- Do not wikilink -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = Russia to test the [[9M730 Burevestnik]] nuclear-powered, nuclear-armed cruise missile<!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [https://edition.cnn.com/2021/08/18/politics/russia-skyfall-missile-test-satellite-images/index.html CNN]<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Count Iblis <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator       = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt       = <!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
| sign          = [[User:Count Iblis|Count Iblis]] ([[User talk:Count Iblis|talk]]) 20:33, 18 August 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}

*'''Oppose''' No reason given why it is eligible to be posted. It is a [[WP:CRYSTAL]]. [[Special:Contributions/36.77.94.84|36.77.94.84]] ([[User talk:36.77.94.84|talk]]) 20:45, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

*'''Oppose''' Just another missile test, fails notability. [[User:Pyramids09|Pyramids09]] ([[User talk:Pyramids09|talk]]) 21:31, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' This user consistently fails to update the articles they nominate. There is no indication whatsoever in the target article of this being in the news. [[User:Pawnkingthree|Pawnkingthree]] ([[User talk:Pawnkingthree|talk]]) 22:00, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
* '''Oppose''' – Beneath the radar. – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 22:16, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
{{abot}}

====(Posted) RD: Sean Lock====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Sean Lock<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-58254859 (BBC)]<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Mjroots <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = Lugnuts
| nom cmt       = British comedian, refs <s>need improvement</s> improved<!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
| sign          = [[User:Mjroots|Mjroots]] ([[User talk:Mjroots|talk]]) 10:24, 18 August 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Support''' once the article is up to shape. '''[[User:Lugnuts|<font color="002bb8">Lugnuts</font>]]''' <sup>[[User talk:Lugnuts|Fire Walk with Me]]</sup> 10:53, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
::Added a lot of refs. Will try and find more later. '''[[User:Lugnuts|<font color="002bb8">Lugnuts</font>]]''' <sup>[[User talk:Lugnuts|Fire Walk with Me]]</sup> 11:27, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Referencing seems to have improved, article looks good now.--[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 12:54, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 14:16, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Post posting support''' Note: date of death <s>not yet determined</s> now reported today as 16th August. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 14:21, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
== August 17 ==
{{cot|[[Portal:Current events/2021 August 17]]}}
{{Portal:Current events/2021 August 17}}
{{cob}}
----
====(Posted) RD: Rock Demers====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Rock Demers
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/influential-quebec-film-producer-rock-demers-dies-at-87-1.5551276 CTV News (Canadian Press)]; [https://www.journaldemontreal.com/2021/08/17/createur-des-contes-pour-tous-rock-demers-est-decede ''Le Journal de Montréal'']
| updated       = yes
| nominator = Bloom6132
| updaters      = Bloom6132
| nom cmt       = 
| sign          = [[User:Bloom6132|Bloom6132]] ([[User talk:Bloom6132|talk]]) 13:27, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
}}
*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 00:08, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' That was easy. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 02:34, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

==== (Posted) RD: Carolyn S. Shoemaker ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Carolyn S. Shoemaker
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.lpi.usra.edu/planetary_news/2021/08/17/in-memoriam-carolyn-shoemaker-1929-2021/ Planetary News]
| updated       = yes
| nominator     = TDKR Chicago 101 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = 
| nom cmt       = Article updated and well sourced. Her death happened on the 13th but was confirmed by Lisa Gaddis, Director of the Lunar and Planetary Institute today.
| sign          = --[[User:TDKR Chicago 101|TDKR Chicago 101]] ([[User talk:TDKR Chicago 101|talk]]) 02:26, 18 August 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Support''' looks good enough for RD. [[User:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b>]][[User talk:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#000000">2302</b>]] ([[User talk:Joseph2302|talk]]) 10:35, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. Pretty good article on a fairly obscure figure. Ready to go. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 10:51, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
* Posting. The tag about contradiction is not too big of a problem to prevent posting. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 12:21, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

==== (Posted) RD: Maki Kaji ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Maki Kaji
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/17/world/asia/maki-kaji-dead.html NYTimes]
| updated       = yes
| nominator     = Masem <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = Possibly, Bloom6132
| nom cmt       = Person credited with popularizing sudoku puzzles. Died on the 10th but only seeing mass coverage of it today. Article is far too short right now to post, but obits today may help.
| sign          = [[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 13:48, 17 August 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Support''' - Short but referenced fully so sufficient, Start article. --[[User:BabbaQ|BabbaQ]] ([[User talk:BabbaQ|talk]]) 22:52, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' – well-referenced; now meets minimum ITN requirements. —[[User:Bloom6132|Bloom6132]] ([[User talk:Bloom6132|talk]]) 01:13, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 01:56, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
== August 16 ==
{{cot|[[Portal:Current events/2021 August 16]]}}
{{Portal:Current events/2021 August 16}}
{{cob}}
----
==== RD: Anandha Kannan ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Anandha Kannan
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://indianexpress.com/article/entertainment/tamil/anandha-kannan-dies-at-48-7457443/ The Indian Express]
| updated       = 
| nominator     = Pharaoh of the Wizards<!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = 
| nom cmt       = Tamil VJ
| sign          = [[User:Pharaoh of the Wizards|Pharaoh of the Wizards]] ([[User talk:Pharaoh of the Wizards|talk]]) 07:24, 20 August 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
* This wikibio, with less than 100 characters of prose, is a stub. The Filmography section has no references. Please expand and add more references. Thanks. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 23:01, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

==== (Posted) 2021 Zambian general election ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = 2021 Zambian general election<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| image         = Hakainde Hichilema 01.png<!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = [[Hakainde Hichilema]] ''(pictured)'' is '''[[2021 Zambian general election|elected]]''' [[President of Zambia]].<!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR          = yes <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-58226695 BBC], [https://www.africanews.com/2021/08/16/zambia-s-opposition-leader-hichilema-wins-election-after-capturing-more-than-2-8-million-v/ Africanews]<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = yes<!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Joofjoof <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator       = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters      = Icem4k,Number 57,John Chibona<!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt       = <!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
| sign          = [[User:Joofjoof|Joofjoof]] ([[User talk:Joofjoof|talk]]) 08:30, 16 August 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Support''', though the domestic reaction could be a bit longer, given the fact that the incumbent president called it unfair. But most of the content is there. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 09:25, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
*<s>'''Weak oppose for now'''</s> - some more prose needed on the results, particularly as it seems the electoral commission has confirmed the result this morning. Looks good otherwise though, and this is quite a momentous result, as the incumbent Lungu is seen as quite a "strong man" and he might yet attempt to overturn the results. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 09:53, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
*:'''Support'''. Outcome now confirmed in the article, along with Lungu's concession, and looks good otherwise. Good to go. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 09:31, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Not a big fan of the Twitter refs, but the article is OK. [[User:AllegedlyHuman|AllegedlyHuman]] ([[User talk:AllegedlyHuman|talk]]) 18:37, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
* Posting. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 09:49, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' - I've raised a query with {{u|Icem4k}} regarding the image above, [[:File:Hakainde Hichilema 01.png]] to check if it is appropriately licensed for use on the main page. It has an author of "National Archives of Zambia" so not sure if it's Icem4k's own work or not. We should probably hold off posting the image until that's confirmed. Cheers &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 10:41, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
*:Update. Icem4k has now [[User_talk:Icem4k#Image_of_Hakainde_Hichilema|confirmed to me]] that the image is their own, so I've swapped it in. Cheers &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 11:14, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

==== (Closed) Malaysia government collapses ====
{{atop|Consensus is to wait. [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 00:10, 19 August 2021 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = 2020–21 Malaysian political crisis
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = Malaysian prime minister [[Muhyiddin Yassin]] '''[[2020–21 Malaysian political crisis|resigns]]''' following the withdrawal of support by one of [[Perikatan Nasional|the government coalition's]] parties
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/8/16/malaysias-muhyiddin-resigns-after-troubled-17-months-in-power] [https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/16/malaysia-prime-minister-muhyiddin-yassin-cabinet-resign.html]
| updated       = yes
| nominator     = Banedon <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator       = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters      = 175.142.29.206, Arcahaeoindris
| nom cmt       = Currently I'm seeing much more coverage of the regime change in Afghanistan. Article is also orange tagged.
| sign          = [[User:Banedon|Banedon]] ([[User talk:Banedon|talk]]) 08:27, 16 August 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Comment''' In addition to the multiple orange tags, this appears to be a mundane hand-off of power. I'm struggling to discover what makes this a "crisis" when it is routine politics elsewhere.[[Special:Contributions/130.233.213.61|130.233.213.61]] ([[User talk:130.233.213.61|talk]]) 08:59, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' we usually wait until someone else is appointed, as that is ITNR. And the article has multiple orange and yellow tags that would need fixing before it could even be considered. If someone takes over, fix their article and then that can run. [[User:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b>]][[User talk:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#000000">2302</b>]] ([[User talk:Joseph2302|talk]]) 09:34, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support if Muhyiddin's replacement announced''' For me, it should not be posted because there is unknown who is successor of Muhyiddin and usually the change of government be posted as ITNR. [[Special:Contributions/36.77.110.10|36.77.110.10]] ([[User talk:36.77.110.10|talk]]) 11:11, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support'''... kinda. Yes, normally we wait for a successor to be at least named and for their successorship to be accepted by a decent enough size group to "count" before we post. This is unique, however - it's not so much "government that had support at one point collapses, successor unknown", it's more of "yet another attempt at having a government fails in Malaysia". To many, my view may seem like it should lead to an oppose - and in a vacuum, it ''would'' - however I feel it is also useful to consider the fact that another government has collapsed - the Afghan elected government. I think the mere fact that the elected government of one country and the "status quo" government of another have fallen within hours of each other is significant enough to warrant ''both'' being posted in ITN - but I'm not sure that a blurb for each is warranted. I do think the situation in Malaysia should be covered in the ITN section of the main page somehow... but I'm not sure how is best. My suggestion is to have a ''combined'' blurb such as {{tq|In Afghanistan, the government collapses as '''[[Fall of Kabul (2021)|the capital Kabul is taken by the Taliban]]''' while in Malaysia, the coalition government collapses after '''[[2020–21 Malaysian political crisis|its leaders resign]]'''.}} To me the mere fact that two governments have collapsed in such close succession is ''itself'' a fact that is "in the news" - but this is just my opinion really. I would not be surprised to see news stories dedicated to the temporal concurrence soon. The collapse of the Malaysian government doesn't really qualify for ongoing (for reasons I don't think need explaining), but this is another option - post the crisis there to ongoing until a new government is formed (or something else happens that would blurb-qualify), then give it a blurb. TLDR: I think Malaysia should be somehow referenced in the ITN section, but with regards to ''how'' and ''where'' exactly, I'm flummoxed. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez ([[User:Berchanhimez|User]]/[[User talk:Berchanhimez|say hi!]]) 14:06, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
* I don't think that combining this with the Kabul blurb is a good idea. Let's simply post when the new PM is appointed. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 17:32, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
* Agree that we should not combine this with the Afghanistan blurb. The two events have absolutely nothing to do with each other, and combining them would be bizarre to say the least. We don't combine election blurbs when elections in multiple countries occur at around the same time; the same principle applies here. [[User:Mlb96|Mlb96]] ([[User talk:Mlb96|talk]]) 20:14, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''', and I'm combining that with opposition to the Canadian government's collapse; no prejudice against posting either next PM in good time. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 02:09, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. We could post the result of the new government formation, but not the end of an old one. Kabul was different because that was a military conquest, not standard politics. Re-nominate if/when there is a new prime minister. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 11:02, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Wait''' Change of government is ITN/R, so we'll surely post something, but it's best to wait for some more developments. His resignation can be part of a blurb about his successor whenever they're named. <b style="font-family:Trebuchet MS">[[User:Vanilla Wizard|<b style="background-color:#07d;color:#FFF">&nbsp;Vanilla </b>]][[User Talk:Vanilla Wizard|<b style="background-color:#749;color:#FFF">&nbsp;Wizard </b>]]</b> [[Special:Contribs/Vanilla Wizard|💙]] 22:51, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
{{abot}}
== August 15 ==
{{cot|[[Portal:Current events/2021 August 15]]}}
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==== RD: Joe Walton ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Joe Walton
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/16/sports/joe-walton-giants-star-who-found-futility-as-jets-coach-dies-at-85.html NYT]
| updated       = yes
| nominator     = AllegedlyHuman
| nom cmt       = American football player and longtime coach.
| sign          = [[User:AllegedlyHuman|AllegedlyHuman]] ([[User talk:AllegedlyHuman|talk]]) 00:20, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
}}
*Sourcing is missing atm. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 16:26, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
* '''More refs, please'''. There are at least six paragraphs with zero footnotes. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 13:40, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

==== (Posted) RD: Paul Mitchell (politician) ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Paul Mitchell (politician)
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2021/08/16/rep-congressman-paul-mitchell-republican-died-conservative-independent/7877411002/ Detroit News]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Muboshgu <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = Muboshgu, TDKR Chicago 101
| nom cmt       = <!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
| sign          = &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 16:34, 16 August 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Support''' Article well sourced and updated. --[[User:TDKR Chicago 101|TDKR Chicago 101]] ([[User talk:TDKR Chicago 101|talk]]) 16:42, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
*:{{u|TDKR Chicago 101}}, I was just about to come back here to put you on as an updater, thanks for adding some of the sourcing. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 16:46, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Looks good! --[[User:Vacant0|Vacant0]] ([[User talk:Vacant0|talk]]) 11:00, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' The article is in good shape and well-referenced. [[User:Hanamanteo|Hanamanteo]] ([[User talk:Hanamanteo|talk]]) 13:39, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' well referenced and ready.[[User:BabbaQ|BabbaQ]] ([[User talk:BabbaQ|talk]]) 22:50, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 02:39, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

====RD: Cary M. Maguire====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Cary M. Maguire
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.dallasnews.com/news/obituaries/2021/08/15/dallas-businessman-and-philanthropist-cary-maguire-dies-at-93/ ''The Dallas Morning News'']
| updated       = yes
| nominator = Bloom6132
| updaters      = Bloom6132
| nom cmt       = First reported today (August 15); died on August 10
| sign          = —[[User:Bloom6132|Bloom6132]] ([[User talk:Bloom6132|talk]]) 10:59, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
}}
*'''Oppose''' Poorly sourced and only a stub. [[User:Inexpiable|Inexpiable]] ([[User talk:Inexpiable|talk]]) 17:16, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
*:{{re|Inexpiable}} every paragraph is sourced.  And it's 2,094 characters long (i.e. >1,500 characters), so not a stub. —[[User:Bloom6132|Bloom6132]] ([[User talk:Bloom6132|talk]]) 17:32, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
*::It appears to be largely sourced to the Maguire Center and the Maguire Energy Institute, which don't look like independent sources.-- [[User:Pawnkingthree|Pawnkingthree]] ([[User talk:Pawnkingthree|talk]]) 17:39, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
:::{{re|Bloom6132}} The stub template is still present at the bottom of the page. Also a lot of [[Wikipedia:Citation overkill|Citation overkill]], red links, and references not cited correctly such as these sources: [https://www.smu.edu/Provost/Ethics/AboutUs/AdvisoryBoard], [https://www.smu.edu/cox] [[User:Inexpiable|Inexpiable]] ([[User talk:Inexpiable|talk]]) 17:41, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' as above. If you remove personal life etc, the main body about the activities that would make him notable are 5 lines. Secondly, the sourcing is not appropriate, out of the 11 sources, 1-4, 7 and 9-11 are not independent as they are either profiles from his company's page, or from organisations that he sponsors, so obviously they would be very friendly [[User:Bumbubookworm|Bumbubookworm]] ([[User talk:Bumbubookworm|talk]]) 02:42, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

==== (Posted) RD: Michael M. Thomas====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Michael M. Thomas
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/15/books/michael-thomas-dead.html ''The New York Times'']
| updated       = yes
| nominator = Bloom6132
| updaters      = Bloom6132 , Danbale
| nom cmt       = First reported today (August 15); died on August 7
| sign          = —[[User:Bloom6132|Bloom6132]] ([[User talk:Bloom6132|talk]]) 03:12, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
}}
* '''Support''' It's short but well-referenced, enough for a RD. --[[User:Vacant0|Vacant0]] ([[User talk:Vacant0|talk]]) 11:01, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
* '''Support''' good enough for RD. [[User:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b>]][[User talk:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#000000">2302</b>]] ([[User talk:Joseph2302|talk]]) 11:07, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
* '''Support''' The article is in good shape and well-referenced. [[User:Hanamanteo|Hanamanteo]] ([[User talk:Hanamanteo|talk]]) 13:40, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
* '''Support''' -  good to go.[[User:BabbaQ|BabbaQ]] ([[User talk:BabbaQ|talk]]) 22:49, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
* '''Posted''' --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 00:45, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

==== (Posted) RD: Ernie Sigley ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Ernie Sigley
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-16/television-entertainer-ernie-sigley-dies-aged-82/100379248 ABC]
| updated       = yes
| nominator     = HiLo48 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt       = Highly awarded Australian TV and radio host
| sign          = [[User:HiLo48|HiLo48]] ([[User talk:HiLo48|talk]]) 02:26, 16 August 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Support''' Story checks out. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 03:10, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''READY''' Just sorted out the last couple of ''citation needed'' issues. I think this is ready to go. [[User:HiLo48|HiLo48]] ([[User talk:HiLo48|talk]]) 01:52, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' I filled up one cn tag, its fully ready now. --[[User:Vacant0|Vacant0]] ([[User talk:Vacant0|talk]]) 11:06, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' There are several tags in the article. [[User:Hanamanteo|Hanamanteo]] ([[User talk:Hanamanteo|talk]]) 17:01, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
::There weren't yesterday. I do wish people would put the effort into finding sources, rather than just finding fault. I'll probably just delete that content, even though it's in no way controversial, just to get this posted. Is that how we want ITN to work? [[User:HiLo48|HiLo48]] ([[User talk:HiLo48|talk]]) 22:15, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''READY''' Removed uncited material. [[User:HiLo48|HiLo48]] ([[User talk:HiLo48|talk]]) 01:36, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 02:42, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

==== (Closed) 2020–21 Formula E World Championship ====
{{archivetop|Consensus for posting is unlikely to develop.--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 10:30, 16 August 2021 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = 2020–21 Formula E World Championship
| image         = Nyck de Vries IAA 2019.jpg
| blurb         = In autosport, [[Nyck de Vries]] wins the '''[[2020–21 Formula E World Championship|Formula E World Championship]]'''.
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb      = In autosport, [[Nyck de Vries]] wins the '''[[2020–21 Formula E World Championship|Formula E World Championship]]''', while [[Mercedes-EQ Formula E Team|Mercedes-EQ]] claim the teams' title.
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [https://www.motorsport.com/formula-e/news/berlin-eprix-mercedes-nato-de-vries/6648548/ motorsport.com]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Unnamelessness <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator       = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt       = Not an ITNR item but could be since it has became a world championship.
| sign          = [[User:Unnamelessness|Unnamelessness]] ([[User talk:Unnamelessness|talk]]) 15:29, 15 August 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Oppose''' target is weak, and doesn't really describe in detail the events of the season.  It appears that the [[Nyck de Vries]] article isn't even updated, unless you consider one unreferenced sentence a suitable improvement. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 17:00, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Motorsport is already well represented at ITN. The argument to add more would be either that the event is very popular (such as the [[Premier League|EPL]]), or distinct enough form existing codes/formats to be treated as it's own ([[Grey Cup]]). Formula E has too weak argument on both fronts at this stage. ''<small>[[User_talk:GreatCaesarsGhost|<span style="color:#938f8d">GreatCaesarsGhost</span>]]</small>'' 17:16, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
::The physical football can start in a wider range of places in college than in NFL which makes strategy less rote and emphasizes the asymmetry and specialization between the strong side players on the strong side of the ball and the weak side players on the weak side, is that distinct enough? [[User:Sagittarian Milky Way|Sagittarian Milky Way]] ([[User talk:Sagittarian Milky Way|talk]]) 18:15, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
:::Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 18:22, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
::::Remember the hundreds of times a game when the fatties get ready for sumo then one snaps the ball? In NFL you can only do that up to 9.25 feet from the centerline, in college you can do that up to 20 feet from the centerline (the one parallel to the side of the field). [https://www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/nfl/2019/9/7/20851532/nfl-college-football-differences-hash-marks-defense-pressure The ball starting further from the center affects play]. [[User:Sagittarian Milky Way|Sagittarian Milky Way]] ([[User talk:Sagittarian Milky Way|talk]]) 19:58, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' both on importance and article quality. [[Formula E]] is a poor man's [[Formula One]] (which is why it's filled with F1 rejects and youngstars hoping to make the step up to F1 in the future). Not important enough to a broad audience therefore. On article quality, it would need a summary like [[2020 Formula One World Championship#Season summary]]. [[User:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b>]][[User talk:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#000000">2302</b>]] ([[User talk:Joseph2302|talk]]) 18:24, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
** If we're going by the criteria above than we would never post anything that isn't F1 because every other motorsport on the planet is filled with as you put it ''F1 rejects and youngsters hoping to make the step up to F1 in the future'', and given F1 is by far the richest motorsport formula around, again, everything else is a ''poor man's Formula One'' by that standard. [[User:Abcmaxx|Abcmaxx]] ([[User talk:Abcmaxx|talk]]) 22:08, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
*** Well WEC or DTM would be considered way more notable, as they're proper series in their own right (and not filled with rejects like Formula E) But Formula E isn't anywhere near as popular as any of those-  the champion is a Mercedes F1 test driver. [[User:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b>]][[User talk:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#000000">2302</b>]] ([[User talk:Joseph2302|talk]]) 22:16, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
**** DTM is a terrible example, the winner [[René Rast]] is leaving to join Formula E permanently after many years of being on the FE sidelines! Let's also add that DTM famously failed to expand outside of Germany many times and even within Germany struggled to get manufacturers onboard. [[User:Abcmaxx|Abcmaxx]] ([[User talk:Abcmaxx|talk]]) 22:34, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Not even in the sports news. [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 18:53, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''': even though it's a FIA world championship, that doesn't grant it automatic ITNR status; whether it should is a different matter. My own view is that if we were to give another FIA championship ITNR status, I'd go for the WEC over FE, because despite the FIA's efforts, it's still not seen as equal to F1, the WRC, or the WEC. '''[[User:Sceptre|Sceptre]]''' ([[User talk:Sceptre|talk]]) 20:28, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' I do not agree with the comments above; this championship is unique, as are the cars, format and everything else about it and does have widespread coverage, more so than most other motorsport events. We should not be looking what newspapers/media outlets post, if we did we'd never post any sports news that isn't top 5-EPL football news; the criteria is it encyclopaedic and is it important, and I would strongly argue yes to both. There's a reason all major car manufacturers and top racing drivers take part, and TV rights are hotly contested by e.g. Eurosport. Also it's truly global, unlike some of the other motorsports that get posted. [[User:Abcmaxx|Abcmaxx]] ([[User talk:Abcmaxx|talk]]) 22:02, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
:*{{tq|We should not be looking what newspapers/media outlets post}} - literally how else would you define "in the news". Please, tell me. <small>Also, Eurosport is basically brand new and everyone hates it for stealing Olympic airing rights for all of Europe so national broadcasters got shafted but go off on its relevance lol</small> [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 01:19, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
::*Agreed, "in the news" is for covering what is in the news, that people might come on here to look at. Seeing as Formula E didn't even make BBC News (and was never more covered than halfway down the news articles on BBC Sport), I don't see how anyone can suggest that this is ITN-worthy. [[User:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b>]][[User talk:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#000000">2302</b>]] ([[User talk:Joseph2302|talk]]) 09:15, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
{{abot}}

==== (Posted RD) RD/Blurb: Gerd Müller ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Gerd Müller
| blurb         = German footballer '''[[Gerd Müller]]''' dies at the age of 75.
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/58222495 BBC], [https://www.sueddeutsche.de/sport/gerd-mueller-tot-bayern-1.5157907 Süddeutsche Zeitung]
| updated       = yes
| nominator     = SoWhy <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = SoWhy
| nom cmt       = One of the most famous German footballers.
| sign          = [[User:SoWhy|<span style="color:#7A2F2F;font-variant:small-caps">So</span>]][[User talk:SoWhy|<span style="color:#474F84;font-variant:small-caps">Why</span>]] 11:51, 15 August 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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*'''Comment''' Oof, tricky.  Legendary in the sport, obviously, but I'm unsure he rises to the level of a blurb ... that's a borderline one.  Anyway, '''oppose''' for the moment due to unsourced content.[[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 12:20, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' As Müller was a legend in his sport I would '''support RD only''' (I dont see a blurb justified). With 555 league-matches and 487 league goals he is/was a unit and regarding this equal to Messi (552 league-caps and 485 league-goals). I would like to know if there are other footballer than müller and Messi who played that many league matches and have a better match-score-ratio. --[[User:LennBr|LennBr]] ([[User talk:LennBr|talk]]) 14:22, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
::It's odd how I (and many Americans) find it boring that Messi can get only ~0.9 goals per game instead of like 3 or 4 but if a baseballer ever gets 0.4 home runs per game (which is 3-4 hours) again for even 1 season without doping I'd be amazed (my soccer attention span is 2 hours per matchday per World Cup) [[User:Sagittarian Milky Way|Sagittarian Milky Way]] ([[User talk:Sagittarian Milky Way|talk]]) 19:01, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
:::That's why I (and many Earthlings) would rather watch MMA, where even the low-card losers regularly rack up 24 to 28 points in 15 minutes. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 02:46, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
::::Why do some combat athletes that suck get 8 points? It's like you're equally skilled you can still get 9 points, you suck you get 8 points, you suck AND commit a foul you get 7 points. If MMA was like soccer they'd have to start 100 yards apart, one guy would have to try to connect a kick to the head in 1 try while handcuffed and the other would have to wait for the kick to reach a point chosen to be "the end of easily duckable" (to keep score around 2-0) before he can duck to simulate not knowing whether to dive left or right till the soccer ball leaves the foot (and for fairness the rest of the kick would have to be as predictable as a fast kick could be, no more tricks). Penalize touching opponent besides a kick to the head so no one does it, alternate turns from 100 yards, repeat for 96 minutes with a short halftime unless there's an instant win like ref stoppage. If you can hire [[Telemundo]] or [[Univision]] soccer commentators then even better (I don't know if you get Mexican channels like us but if you watch enough soccer eventually one of the instances of speedtalk and getting more and more excited isn't a miss so they take a deep breath and yell GOL! GOL! GOL! GOL! GOL! GOL! GOL! GOL! GOL! GOL! GOL! GOL! like a train horn and the goal also replaces the score with the word GOL rotating like a planet and starts a railroad crossing bell sound or siren or something like that) [[User:Sagittarian Milky Way|Sagittarian Milky Way]] ([[User talk:Sagittarian Milky Way|talk]]) 22:28, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
:::::What would make soccer fun again is just a return to a simpler foul system. If a player is accidentally kicked in the eye, junk or back of the neck, put the cards away and see if they can shake it off, ref! If not, instant draw. If the kick's intentional, instant win! If instant replay shows it was a free and fair cleat to the upper inner thigh, kisser or temple, the attacking team (and the crowd) celebrate sudden victory with style points, and go home happy, [[Brock Lesnar#Debut and UFC Heavyweight Champion|maybe drink a [British Coors equivalent] and get on top of their husbands and/or wives]] like they used to in Rome. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 02:50, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
::::::A team that only needs a draw to advance will try to get someone bumped and he'll flop in pain till the game ends. [[User:Sagittarian Milky Way|Sagittarian Milky Way]] ([[User talk:Sagittarian Milky Way|talk]]) 03:06, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
:::::::[[Itchy & Scratchy & Marge|Just like real life!]] Anyway, I gotta run. Just remember, in all sincerity, they don't have to ''suck'' for pieces of eight anymore, the judges' cabal lowered the bar three or four years ago. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 03:23, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
::::::::It was probably started to make boxing matches seem closer than they actually are, a dumb trick that still helps a little like the prices ending in 9's thing. It just seems closer than say 3 points for a win and 0 being like a 7 (can you get 7 points in UFC now without fouling? I don't know how many levels the judges can differentiate, they should just use that many tiers and make the lowest tier without fouling 0 points) [[User:Sagittarian Milky Way|Sagittarian Milky Way]] ([[User talk:Sagittarian Milky Way|talk]]) 21:03, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
:::::::::A natural 10-7 is a rare bird indeed, and oddly enough, [[Sammy Morgan (fighter)|Sammy Morgan]] got his (from one judge) well before the 10-8 was made easier. There are also very rare two-point foul deductions. So, ''in theory'', a five-point must system is all we need to give a zero to those unicorns who just barely survive ''despite'' cheating like there's no tomorrow, without worrying about scorecards dipping into the Minus World (which I ''assume'' would destroy ''all'' worlds). [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 01:52, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support blurb''' - Major international footballer. [[User:Mjroots|Mjroots]] ([[User talk:Mjroots|talk]]) 14:25, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose blurb''' for consistency.  We didn't post Cruyff so Muller doesn't get posted.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 14:41, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
*:And for such a "legendary player", pitiful coverage of his career in the article.  For a quick comparison, see [[Johan Cruyff]]. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 16:53, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support blurb''', as a major figure in his field ( football).  [[User:Jackattack1597|Jackattack1597]] ([[User talk:Jackattack1597|talk]]) 15:05, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support blurb''' I supported a blurb for Cruyff and would like to support one for Müller. The wrong that no blurb was posted for Cruyff's death cannot be righted by not posting this one. After all, football is a very big deal so there should be some room to post iconic and influential players other than Maradona.--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 15:07, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Old Man Dies''' RD only, please. If he's famous, people will still notice and click his name. Especially his fans. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 15:31, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support blurb when page up to scratch''': As I saw cited on [[Ballon d'Or]], Muller was one of eight players to win the World Cup, European Cup/Champions League and Ballon d'Or. [https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42386038] That's an exclusive club. He remains 87 goals clear in the Bundesliga scoring charts 42 years after his retirement. The decision not to post Cruyff - who aside from his club, international and managerial honours was recognised as one of the true transformers of football into its modern form [https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/european/johan-cruyff-barcelona-ajax-netherlands-total-football-a9421296.html] - should not form precedent. [[User:Unknown Temptation|Unknown Temptation]] ([[User talk:Unknown Temptation|talk]]) 15:43, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose blurb''' on the simple grounds that one was not posted for Cruyff.--'''[[User:WaltCip|WaltCip]]'''-''<small>([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]])</small>'' 16:03, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose blurb''' In addition to the facts pointed above, this article is awfully short for someone claimed to be a major player. His stats may be impressive, but let's compare to someone like [[Pelé]] or [[Wayne Gretzky]] (in terms of content) --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 16:58, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose blurb''' for now.  We have pretty high standards for death blurbs in virtually every category except politicians (who, by virtue of their leadership of a nation probably ought to get death blurbs the most often).  Is Gerd Muller one of the greatest soccer players of all time?  I'd argue that he falls short of the Maradona/Pele/Messi standard, so he doesn't get a blurb.  (As evidence, consider [https://www.si.com/soccer/2019/05/21/50-greatest-footballers-all-time this list] or [https://www.pastemagazine.com/soccer/the-20-greatest-soccer-players-of-all-time/ this list], both of which put him all the way down at 12th all time; or [https://www.fourfourtwo.com/us/gallery/50-greatest-footballers-all-time this list] which has him at 17th.  All the lists seem to imply we were wrong to deny Cruyff a blurb, though, as they all elevate Cruyff into that Maradona/Pele/Messi echelon.) [[User:NorthernFalcon|NorthernFalcon]] ([[User talk:NorthernFalcon|talk]]) 19:39, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
:*Also, not that it matters, but there are [[Wikipedia:Vital_articles/Level/4/People#Team_sports_(45_articles)|fourteen footballers]] who are listed as Level 4 vital articles, and Gerd Muller is not one of them.  To me, that suggests that he's just not high enough up the list for a death blurb. [[User:NorthernFalcon|NorthernFalcon]] ([[User talk:NorthernFalcon|talk]]) 19:48, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
::*Also worth noting that the "vital articles" project is run by a tiny enclave who debate who is and who is not vital.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 20:23, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
::*:Then again, doesn't ITN operate the same way? '''[[User:WaltCip|WaltCip]]'''-''<small>([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]])</small>'' 14:22, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose blurb''' per article quality, too short for that. But '''support RD'''.[[User:BabbaQ|BabbaQ]] ([[User talk:BabbaQ|talk]]) 20:35, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Posted RD''' --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 23:26, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

==== (Posted) Afghan Government collapse ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = 2021 Taliban offensive
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = [[Afghan president]] [[Ashraf Ghani]] resigns as [[2021 Taliban offensive|Taliban forces enter]] [[Kabul]], the capital of [[Afghanistan]] ending the [[War in Afghanistan (2001–present)|twenty-year long war]].
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR          =  <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb      = The Afghan government collapses and Kabul '''[[Fall of Kabul (2021)|falls]]''' to the [[Taliban]] during its [[2021_Taliban_offensive|offensive]].
| altblurb2     = [[Afghan president]] [[Ashraf Ghani]] flees the country as [[2021 Taliban offensive|Taliban forces enter]] [[Kabul]], the capital of [[Afghanistan]], ending the [[War in Afghanistan (2001–present)|twenty-year long war]].
| altblurb3     = The [[Politics of Afghanistan |Afghan government]] collapses as the capital city of '''[[Fall of Kabul (2021)|Kabul falls]]''' to the [[2021 Taliban offensive|ongoing offensive]] by the [[Taliban]] and [[President of Afghanistan|President]] [[Ashraf Ghani]] flees the country.
| sources       = [https://english.alarabiya.net/News/world/2021/08/15/Taliban-begin-offensive-on-Kabul-Interior-Ministry Alarabiya News], [https://apnews.com/article/taliban-e1ed33fe0c665ee67ba132c51b8e32a5 AP], [https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-asia-58219963 BBC], [https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2021/aug/15/afghanistan-taliban-close-in-on-kabul-as-last-government-stronghold-in-north-falls Guardian], [https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/talibans-rapid-advance-across-afghanistan-2021-08-10/ Reuters], [https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/8/15/taliban-continues-advances-captures-key-city-of-jalalabad Al Jazeera], [https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/taliban-fighters-enter-outskirts-of-kabul-as-u-s-forces-evacuate-western-diplomats/ar-AANla7N?li=BBnbcA1 MSN]

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| nominator     = 212.74.201.233 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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| nom cmt       = Obviously post it when (if) it happens, but given that Al Arabiya has a pretty good track record of generally being cautious with their sources, I doubt this doesnt come true.
| sign          = --[[Special:Contributions/212.74.201.233|212.74.201.233]] ([[User talk:212.74.201.233|talk]]) 10:03, 15 August 2021 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT change this -->
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*'''Wait:''' We cannot posting [[WP:CRYSTAL]] predictions, it maybe cannot be happen as the event progressed. If the information is true, i will '''Support''' the blurb to be posted with alternate blurb. [[Special:Contributions/180.249.244.163|180.249.244.163]] ([[User talk:180.249.244.163|talk]]) 10:15, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
*: Obviously, that's why I wrote what I wrote in my comment. But given that this is almost certainly going to happen in then next few hours, we might as well prepare the article and the blurb beforehand [[Special:Contributions/212.74.201.233|212.74.201.233]] ([[User talk:212.74.201.233|talk]]) 10:21, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
*::Your nomination, with that blurb, is wholly premature. You cannot expect editors to support something which is simply not true, let alone not published by any news outlet. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 12:09, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

*'''Wait''' till the president of the new "transitional government" is announced. We can also nominate an RD for Afghan women's rights [[User:Scaramouche33|Scaramouche33]] ([[User talk:Scaramouche33|talk]]) 10:47, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
*: Well, that's not all that bad. At least [[Bacha bazi]]'s gonna be banned [[Special:Contributions/212.74.201.233|212.74.201.233]] ([[User talk:212.74.201.233|talk]]) 10:58, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
*::I see. So that makes a brutal medieval fundamentalist regime, which enslaves women, perfectly acceptable, yes? Must have been in that Taliban manifesto leaflet I binned. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 12:13, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
*::: I did not say it's preferable, what you are doing is a textbook example of [[Straw man|stramanning]]. With that being said, as a left0-wing atheist who is fundamentally opposed to the Taliban's ideology, if I had a choice between making my daughter wear hijab outside, and having my son get raped by some 50-year old militia commander, I'd prefer the former to the latter. Cheers. [[Special:Contributions/212.74.201.233|212.74.201.233]] ([[User talk:212.74.201.233|talk]]) 15:17, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
*::::Have her married off at 13 to a Taliban murderer and endure a life of domestic drudgery too, would you? But I'm not sure choices in Afghanistan are quite that simple. And not sure [[Bacha bazi]] is likely to feature in any ITN blurb. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 12:48, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

*'''Wait''', but post once Kabul falls.[[User:Jackattack1597|Jackattack1597]] ([[User talk:Jackattack1597|talk]]) 11:15, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Wait''' Call me crazy, but the last time the Taliban was in control as thousands of Americans arrived to liberate and protect ''their'' "Afghan people", this endless 20-year war ''began''. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 11:21, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
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::Maybe we should wait until 9/11, when the "planned withdrawal" was supposed to be complete? [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 11:25, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
:::Good idea. What's the tallest symbolic building left standing in Afghanistan? When we see it crumble on TV, ''then'' we can safely say mission accomplished, "we got 'em" or whatever again. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 11:36, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
::::I think [[Osama bin Laden]]'s been found. But was it posted at ITN? [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 11:39, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
:::::Well, ''I'' always thought he was killed in 2001, [[Osama bin Laden death conspiracy theories|before ITN was cool]]. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 11:44, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
:::::"Meanwhile, wisps of smoke could be seen near the embassy’s roof as diplomats [https://apnews.com/article/taliban-e1ed33fe0c665ee67ba132c51b8e32a5 urgently] destroyed sensitive documents, according to two American military officials who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the situation." [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 12:12, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
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*'''Wait'''&mdash;But I will obviously '''support''' when it happens (I wish I could also say "if" it happens). [[User:Kurtis|Kurtis]] [[User talk:Kurtis|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 11:27, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

*'''Support – in principle''' – as story develops. Widely covered (see added sources above). No-brainer. – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 12:02, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
*<s>'''Wait''' until he actually resigns and they enter the capital. At the moment, sources are saying that he ''could'' resign, that he ''is planning to'' resign or is ''in negotiations over'' resigning, but hasn't resigned quite yet. At the moment, Kabul is still under govt control, although that could change by the end of the day. When/if these events happen,</s> '''Strong Support''' for their inclusion, as they would be some of the biggest intl' news in recent memory. [[User:Goodposts|Goodposts]] ([[User talk:Goodposts|talk]]) 12:19, 15 August 2021 (UTC) P.S. Just a few hours after I posted this, Ghani left the country and the Taliban entered Kabul. There is nothing to wait for anymore. [[User:Goodposts|Goodposts]] ([[User talk:Goodposts|talk]]) 14:45, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' - We should be using this article [[Battle of Kabul (2021)]] [[User:Sherenk1|Sherenk1]] ([[User talk:Sherenk1|talk]]) 12:28, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support (and oh, cr*p...)''' - <s>[[The Economic Times]] has confirmed [https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/newsblogs/latest-daily-news-and-updates-august-15/liveblog/85340907.cms here]...</s> Turns out that was confirmation that he will step down, not that he has stepped down... Anyways... '''''[[User:Tube of Light|Tube]]·[[User talk:Tube of Light|of]]·[[Special:Contributions/Tube_of_Light|Light]]''''' 13:25, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support in a few hours''' [https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/taliban-starts-invasion-of-kabul-from-all-sides-676751 ''Jerusalem Post''] has reported the resignation as fact. [[User:Juxlos|Juxlos]] ([[User talk:Juxlos|talk]]) 13:41, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
:* Since we also don't know whether this actually ends the war (maybe there's more anti-Taliban insurgency or something), I propose an alternate blurb: ''[[Afghan president]] [[Ashraf Ghani]] resigns as [[2021 Taliban offensive|Taliban forces enter]] [[Kabul]], the capital of [[Afghanistan]], and is replaced by '''[[Ali Ahmad Jalali]]''' as interim head of government''. (Jalali's text subject to him actually being appointed, of course). [[User:Juxlos|Juxlos]] ([[User talk:Juxlos|talk]]) 13:44, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support once Kabul falls''' pending quality. Thus ends the Vietnam of our times. &nbsp;–&nbsp;[[User:John M Wolfson|John M Wolfson]]&nbsp;([[User talk:John M Wolfson|talk]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/John M Wolfson|contribs]]) 14:05, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
:::::<small>Some of us actually remember [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Saigon-hubert-van-es.jpg this]. – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 14:09, 15 August 2021 (UTC)</small>
*'''Support'''. The current situation is that capitulation talks are ongoing, that's big news in its own right. [[User:Count Iblis|Count Iblis]] ([[User talk:Count Iblis|talk]]) 14:14, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support Juxlos' Alt''', pending ''extreme'' cleanup on Jalali. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 14:18, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
*:[https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/8/15/taliban-continues-advances-captures-key-city-of-jalalabad Al Jazeera] says Ghani has left Kabul for Tajikistan. Not clear whether he's resigned. – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 14:20, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
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*'''Support''' BBC now reporting that Ashraf Ghani has done a runner, this is all over bar the shouting.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 14:18, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Well, now Vietnam has been surpassed as a metaphor for U.S. military catastrophes.--'''[[User:WaltCip|WaltCip]]'''-''<small>([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]])</small>'' 14:22, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
::::<small>Smile for the camera, [https://www.aljazeera.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/2021-08-14T160848Z_1830626196_RC2E4P9ZL6UW_RTRMADP_3_AFGHANISTAN-CONFLICT.jpg?w=770&resize=770%2C553 boys]. – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 14:31, 15 August 2021 (UTC)</small>
*'''Comment''' Proposing altblurb 2 based on the recent developments [[Special:Contributions/212.74.201.233|212.74.201.233]] ([[User talk:212.74.201.233|talk]]) 15:11, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support for altblurb2'''. Kabul has fallen, Afghanistan continued their reputation to be graveyard for empires. [[User:SunDawn|<span style="background-color:black; color:orange;">SunDawn</span>]][[User talk:SunDawn|<span style="background-color:green; color:yellow;">talk</span>]] 15:22, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Wait''' until final collapse confirmed. Papers still reporting Taliban preparing to enter Kabul. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 15:40, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
*:"Fallen" not yet unequivocally reported by major RS sources, obvious though it seems. T-ban [https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/taliban-officials-there-will-be-no-transitional-government-afghanistan-2021-08-15/ quoted] saying there'll be no transitional government, they're waiting for govt. to surrender. (U.S. embassy staff being [https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/us-requires-embassy-staff-afghanistan-telework-amid-covid-19-outbreak-2021-06-17/ moved] to Kabul airport.) – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 15:42, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

*'''Question''': Is {{!tq|ending the twenty-year long war}} in the proposed blurbs really true? --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 15:46, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
*:[[War in Afghanistan (2001–present)]] says no. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 16:04, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
*:Even [[Operation Freedom's Sentinel]] has 16 days left, semiofficially. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 16:22, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
*: The American invasion was a reasonably direct outgrowth of the Afghan Civil War, which in turn was an extension of the Soviet invasion, which was triggered by various uprisings in response to the Saur Revolution.  Combat in Afghanistan has been reasonably constant for the past 43 years. --[[User:Carnildo|Carnildo]] ([[User talk:Carnildo|talk]]) 05:14, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
*::If you want to go back even more reasonably, Winston Churchill once realized, "The Pashtun tribes are ''[[Pashtunwali|always]]'' engaged in private or public war." If an unknown number of sensitive ancient documents hadn't been blown to infinity, we'd have ''real'' trouble disambiguating one War in Afghanistan from the next. Apparently excellent toward strangers, though; maybe if Hypothetical Group X only invades for a couple of weeks next time, and stays cool,  relatively modern peace might finally have a goddamned chance. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 06:13, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support with comment''' It deserves to go main page but can we conclude that the 20 years war has ended? I think the last phrase should be removed.<samp>[[User:Sa.vakilian|Seyyed]]([[User talk:Sa.vakilian|t]]-[[Special:Contributions/Sa.vakilian|c]])</samp> 15:55, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support Seyyed's proposal above''' I haven't seen sources saying that the war is over. So I don't think we should be posting that part of the hook. [[User:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b>]][[User talk:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#000000">2302</b>]] ([[User talk:Joseph2302|talk]]) 16:06, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
* '''Support alt blurb 1''' Government has collapses and Kabul was overtaken, as reported by multiple sources. The potential set up of a transitional government is a formality that doesn't change what has already happened on the ground. [[User:Nice4What|Nice4What]] ([[User talk:Nice4What|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Nice4What|contribs]]) – <small>([[Help:Notifications/Thanks|Thanks]] <span style="color:#4dac8b;">♥</span>)</small> 16:11, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
* Posting alt1, for which it seems we have the most consensus. Feel free to adjust as the story develops. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 16:21, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
::::<small>Now let the [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuoJV7Z5Lho fun] begin. – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 17:26, 15 August 2021 (UTC)</small>
*'''Alt added''' as President fleeing is a major event. [[User:ArionEstar|ArionEstar]] ([[User talk:ArionEstar|talk]]) 21:35, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Update death toll''' The wiki page and multiple sources revise the death toll to be over about 1 300. [[User:JMonkey2006|JMonkey2006]] ([[User talk:JMonkey2006|talk]]) 00:00, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
:* {{ping|JMonkey2006}} for the fall of Kabul? Or did you mean to post this on the Haiti thread? [[User:Juxlos|Juxlos]] ([[User talk:Juxlos|talk]]) 00:36, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
::Yes I did! Got caught in the moment haha [[User:JMonkey2006|JMonkey2006]] ([[User talk:JMonkey2006|talk]]) 00:46, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
* Should the offensive still be ongoing? Seems like there isn’t much left for the Taliban to take over. [[User:Juxlos|Juxlos]] ([[User talk:Juxlos|talk]]) 00:36, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
** Thanks for bringing up this point. The word "ongoing" is now removed from the blurb on MainPage. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 02:17, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

*'''Strong post posting support''' for alt 3 or 1; major event that ''pretty much'' ends the war, though I don't think saying so would be strictly correct. <b style="border:1px solid #0800aa"> [[User:Nixinova|Nixinova]] </b> <b style="border:1px solid #006eff"> [[User talk:Nixinova|T]] </b> <b style="border:1px solid #00a1ff"> [[Special:Contribs/Nixinova|C]] </b>  04:49, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
*:It's all over but the fleeing. [https://apnews.com/article/afghanistan-taliban-784681c4400b097cf73b93cec34c5c61] [https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-asia-58219963] [https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/talibans-rapid-advance-across-afghanistan-2021-08-10/] [https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/8/16/taliban-says-afghanistan-war-over-as-president-diplomats-flee] [https://www.dpa-international.com/topic/throngs-push-escape-kabul-blame-game-afghan-collapse-begins-urn%3Anewsml%3Adpa.com%3A20090101%3A210816-99-860284] – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 12:34, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Post-posting support'''. I !voted to wait on previous noms, in the expectation that the Taliban would be victorious within a month or so. I was not expecting less than a week! Apparently conclusive end to a 20yr war. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 14:23, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
*:Or latest pause in a 50-year one.  (Or pushing 200-years, if you want to be even more maximalist one.)  US and the Afghan government are gone as protagonists, but might not be too long until the civil -- or conceivably otherwise -- war reconfigures.  AB1 or AB3 are for that reason better.  (Are we still open here in consideration of mid-posting tweaks of that kind?)  [[Special:Contributions/109.255.211.6|109.255.211.6]] ([[User talk:109.255.211.6|talk]]) 00:33, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Very Strong Post-Posting Support''' – The Afghanistan Government has collapsed and surrendered to the Taliban, the terrorist group that controlled most of the country prior to the start of the war. This also ends the 20-year-long war. Definitely needed to be posted. '''''[[en:User:LightandDark2000|<span style="color:#C69214">Light</span><span style="color:#410064">and</span><span style="color:blue">Dark2000</span>]]''''' 🌀 ([[User talk:LightandDark2000#top|talk]]) 18:15, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
== August 14 ==
{{cot|[[Portal:Current events/2021 August 14]]}}
{{Portal:Current events/2021 August 14}}
{{cob}}
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==== RD: Gabriel Fortuné ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Gabriel Fortuné
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/thousands-of-fatalities-expected-after-72-quake-hits-off-coast-of-haiti/7M7NQTXCCZELJJRTVS4U5XUXUE/ AJC]
| updated       = yes
| nominator     = AllegedlyHuman
| nom cmt       = Former mayor of [[Les Cayes]] and Haitian senator; died in the earthquake. Article needs expansion, but has enough sources to make it happen.
| sign          = [[User:AllegedlyHuman|AllegedlyHuman]] ([[User talk:AllegedlyHuman|talk]]) 01:58, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
}}
*'''Oppose''' Covered by (likely future) Blurb. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 06:35, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Does not meet minimum requirements for RD. [[User:Grimes2|Grimes2]] ([[User talk:Grimes2|talk]]) 07:14, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
* At 175 words, this wikibio is too stubby to qualify. Please expand it. Thanks. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 17:16, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' - not ready at this time. Ping me if improved.[[User:BabbaQ|BabbaQ]] ([[User talk:BabbaQ|talk]]) 18:42, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

==== (Posted) Haiti earthquake ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = 2021 Haiti earthquake
| image         = Sismo Haití 2021.jpg<!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = A 7.2 magnitude '''[[2021 Haiti earthquake|earthquake]]''' strikes Haiti, killing at least 304 people.
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/08/14/world/haiti-earthquake#haiti-earthquake NYTimes], [https://abc7news.com/haiti-earthquake-2021-port-au-prince-tremor-72/10951347/#:~:text=PORT%2DAU%2DPRINCE%2C%20Haiti,the%20U.S.%20Geological%20Survey%20said. ABC], [https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-58215631 BBC], [https://apnews.com/article/caribbean-haiti-earthquakes-e067bc2ba933fb40c6d98d34a41a7729 AP], [https://www.reuters.com/business/environment/magnitude-7-quake-strikes-western-haiti-usgs-2021-08-14/ Reuters], [https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/14/world/haiti-earthquake/index.html CNN]
| updated       = yes<!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Masem <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator       = AnonymousAlias <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters      = Dora the Axe-plorer, HurricaneEdgar, Quake1234<!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt       = While there are not yet reports of deaths yet, this has only happend a few hours ago and there is known to be people that got caught in collapsing buildings/etc. I am adding this as something to watch as it has the likelihood to be "bad" (Haiti's just recovering from the [[2010 Haiti earthquake]] of similar magnitude, and the USGS is claiming "high casualties" per CNN above)
| sign          = [[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 16:47, 14 August 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Comment''' almost certainly it will be notable enough. In a few hours, I imagine there will a lot more coverage and information that can be added. [[User:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b>]][[User talk:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#000000">2302</b>]] ([[User talk:Joseph2302|talk]]) 18:07, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Strong support''' A earthquake which killed around 30 people (and maybe more) belongs in the news section. [[User:Pyramids09|Pyramids09]] ([[User talk:Pyramids09|talk]]) 18:31, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
:*Agree, but right now, the actual information on the earthquake in the article is sparce. Over half of the article is just explaining the tectonic plates in the region. [[User:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b>]][[User talk:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#000000">2302</b>]] ([[User talk:Joseph2302|talk]]) 18:50, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Whee, another one [[User:Orbitalbuzzsaw|This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang]] ([[User talk:Orbitalbuzzsaw|talk]]) 19:00, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose on quality''' Figured we were all on the same page here, but suppose not. This article is not up to Main Page-quality currently. [[User:AllegedlyHuman|AllegedlyHuman]] ([[User talk:AllegedlyHuman|talk]]) 19:04, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
*:I imagine we all agree that this should be posted on the merits, but it's the current quality where opinions may diverge. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 19:07, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
*::The article in terms of covering the seisimic effect is good, but I agree that we should not post until some more expansion on the damage is there. That might take some hours to flesh out since reporting from Haiti is not like reporting from NYC or LA. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 19:11, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' posting the article, but '''oppose''' including the death count in the blurb. The death count will likely change repeatedly throughout the next few days or weeks, and for events which have hundreds of deaths, a perfectly accurate death count is nearly impossible. Just put the earthquake itself in the blurb. [[User:Mlb96|Mlb96]] ([[User talk:Mlb96|talk]]) 21:55, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
::If the casualalties are not given, that might be interpreted as Wikipedia being racist. [[Special:Contributions/2600:1702:2670:B530:FC7C:D44C:73F6:8E79|2600:1702:2670:B530:FC7C:D44C:73F6:8E79]] ([[User talk:2600:1702:2670:B530:FC7C:D44C:73F6:8E79|talk]]) 22:04, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
:::I wouldn't go that far, but I do think not including the death toll would be an odd decision considering there are clearly a lot of casualties. '''[[User:WaltCip|WaltCip]]'''-''<small>([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]])</small>'' 23:24, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
::::You can say "at least" X amount of deaths to cover the fact that there might be more. -[[Special:Contributions/184.56.75.144|184.56.75.144]] ([[User talk:184.56.75.144|talk]]) 01:01, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
* '''Support – in principle''', pending honing of article. Around 21:30, BBC, AP, Reuters agreed on toll of 227 – which indeed may increase. – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 21:58, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''', article looks as complete as much older earthquake articles. <span style="font-family: Cambria;">[[User:Abductive|<span style="color: teal;">'''Abductive'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Abductive|reasoning]])</span> 23:56, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' Closer. There's now some content in the lead not referenced in the body, which needs fixing. Would also like to see a little more expansion of the section titled "earthquake". [[User:AllegedlyHuman|AllegedlyHuman]] ([[User talk:AllegedlyHuman|talk]]) 01:53, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' as per nom  <span style="font-family: Georgia; background-color: maroon; padding: 2px 3px 1px 3px;">[[User:HurricaneEdgar|<span style="color: greenyellow">HurricaneEdgar</span>]] [[HurricaneEdgar|<span style="color: greenyellow"></span>]]</span> 02:36, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Very notable event. There should be more updates on its impacts however. --[[User:Dora the Axe-plorer|CactusTaron]] ([[User talk:Dora the Axe-plorer|Nopen't]]) 03:09, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Obvious choice, just piling on. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 06:30, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Looks good to go. [[User:Hanamanteo|Hanamanteo]] ([[User talk:Hanamanteo|talk]]) 08:29, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
* Posting. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 08:40, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Post posting support'''. Also now a large after-shock. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 08:41, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Very Strong Post-Posting Support''' – Another catastrophic earthquake that has left over 1,300 people dead. And the country hasn't even fully recovered from the 2010 quake yet. Definitely deserves posting. '''''[[en:User:LightandDark2000|<span style="color:#C69214">Light</span><span style="color:#410064">and</span><span style="color:blue">Dark2000</span>]]''''' 🌀 ([[User talk:LightandDark2000#top|talk]]) 18:15, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
== August 13 ==
{{cot|[[Portal:Current events/2021 August 13]]}}
{{Portal:Current events/2021 August 13}}
{{cob}}
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==== RD: James Hormel ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = James Hormel
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/13/us/politics/james-hormel-dead.html NYT]
| updated       = yes
| nominator     = AllegedlyHuman
| updaters      = Strattonsmith
| nom cmt       = First gay US ambassador.
| sign          = [[User:AllegedlyHuman|AllegedlyHuman]] ([[User talk:AllegedlyHuman|talk]]) 00:42, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
}}
*'''Comment:''' Article currently has 0 information about what the subject did in his role as ambassador, while dedicating a lot of space to the controversy about his nomination. While also important given the circumstances, the article should have some information about his diplomatic career. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082529">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T•</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">C</span>]]</sup> 13:41, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

==== RD: Nanci Griffith ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Nanci Griffith
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/13/arts/music/nanci-griffith-dead.html NYT]
| updated       = yes
| nominator     = AllegedlyHuman
| updaters      = CAWylie
| nom cmt       = American musician who blended folk and country into "folkabilly."
| sign          = [[User:AllegedlyHuman|AllegedlyHuman]] ([[User talk:AllegedlyHuman|talk]]) 00:33, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
}}
*'''Comment:''' A couple CN tags but close. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082529">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T•</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">C</span>]]</sup> 13:34, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
* Please add more refs, particularly when crediting her for writing hit songs. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 13:52, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

==== (Posted) RD: Alia Muhammad Baker ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Alia Muhammad Baker
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = https://www.iqiraq.news/society/25691--2003.html 
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updaters      = موسى <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt       = This is [https://www.nytimes.com/2003/07/27/world/after-the-war-the-librarian-books-spirited-to-safety-before-iraq-library-fire.html ''The Librarian of Basra''] who saved thousands of books in 2003. I'm hoping for English sources to be available soon. <!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
| sign          = --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 02:07, 16 August 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 02:59, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

==== (Posted) RD: Gino Strada ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Gino Strada
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.corriere.it/cronache/21_agosto_13/morto-gino-strada-fondatore-emergency-aveva-73-anni-4e027c42-fc2a-11eb-8688-4f0a0f230e1f.shtml Corriere della Sera]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updaters      = Gianluigi02 <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt       = Italian human rights activist and war surgeon, founder of [[Emergency (organization)|Emergency]]. This wikibio can use some more clean-up, but seems close to be ready for RD. <!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
| sign          = --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 17:53, 14 August 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*<s>'''Comment''' The first part of the biography section needs citing, other than will support when that is fixed as it should be good to go [[User:Joseywales1961|<span style="color:green">''JW 1961''</span>]]<sup> [[User talk:Joseywales1961|<span style="color:#0000CD">''Talk''</span>]]</sup> 21:05, 14 August 2021 (UTC)</s>
:*'''Support''' as concerns now fixed [[User:Joseywales1961|<span style="color:green">''JW 1961''</span>]]<sup> [[User talk:Joseywales1961|<span style="color:#0000CD">''Talk''</span>]]</sup> 12:03, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 02:48, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

==== (Posted) RD: Douglas Applegate ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Douglas Applegate
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.timesreporter.com/story/news/2021/08/13/former-congressman-doug-applegate-dies-age-93/8130262002/ The Times-Reporter]
| updated       = yes
| nominator     = Jon698 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt       = Former member of the [[United States House of Representatives]] and 1988 presidential candidate whose death was announced on August 13.
| sign          = [[User:Jon698|Jon698]] ([[User talk:Jon698|talk]]) 08:21, 14 August 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Support''' Looks good. [[User:AllegedlyHuman|AllegedlyHuman]] ([[User talk:AllegedlyHuman|talk]]) 03:51, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' – well-referenced; meets minimum ITN requirements.  Although his date and place of birth are not mentioned in refs 1 and 2 (covering the "Early life and education" section), it is verified in the ''[[Biographical Directory of the United States Congress]]'' external link.  Marking ready. —[[User:Bloom6132|Bloom6132]] ([[User talk:Bloom6132|talk]]) 05:09, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Posted to RD'''. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082529">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T•</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">C</span>]]</sup> 05:49, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

====(Closed) Lab leak is a "likely hypothesis"====
{{archivetop|Consensus will not develop to post. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 09:54, 13 August 2021 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate 
|article=COVID-19 lab leak theory
|article2= Investigations into the origin of COVID-19
|article3= COVID-19 misinformation
|recent deaths=no
|blurb=Head of [[World Health Organization]] investigating [[Investigations into the origin of COVID-19|origins of the COVID-19 pandemic]] admits for the first time that [[COVID-19 lab leak theory|lab leak theory]] is a "likely hypothes"
|sources=[https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/08/12/who-origins-embarek/ WaPo], [https://www.wsj.com/articles/head-of-who-team-investigating-origins-of-covid-19-calls-for-closer-look-at-china-lab-11628807623 WSJ], [https://nypost.com/2021/08/12/covid-19-lab-leak-theory-probable-hypothesis-who-scientist/ NY Post], [https://www.leparisien.fr/societe/origine-du-covid-19-la-fuite-dun-laboratoire-chinois-parmi-les-hypotheses-probables-selon-lenqueteur-en-chef-de-loms-12-08-2021-3WUMEDB435F4ZG3LFTVQ76TLOA.php Le Parisien], [https://www.elmundo.es/ciencia-y-salud/salud/2021/08/13/6115f680fc6c8382218b4606.html El Mundo], [https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/08/12/covid-may-have-begun-chinese-scientist-collecting-bat-samples/ Telegraph], [https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20210812-who-urges-china-to-share-raw-data-on-early-covid-cases France24], [https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/8/13/who-urges-china-to-share-raw-data-on-origins-of-coronavirus AlJazeera], [https://www.independent.co.uk/asia/china/covid-patient-zero-china-who-b1901616.html Independent], [https://www.foxnews.com/health/who-says-covid-19-origin-needs-more-studies-as-top-experts-lab-concern-made-public-for-first-time.amp Fox], [https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4269374 Taiwan]
|updated=yes
|nominator=
|nom cmt=Considering that for over a year the pandemic has been the biggest story, and now officially for the first time the "conspiracy theory" is admitted as a likely hypothesis while "Chinese officials pressured investigation to drop lab-leak hypothesis", with all the misinformation campaigns and discrediting done everywhere, including on this site, I think some kind of update of official mentions need to be published.  Even if this is proven beyond reasonable doubt, due to geopolitical games, it is highly unlikely that the WHO would officially accuse anybody, so this might be as much as we will ever get officially.  Feel free to shut this down with actual legitimate rationales besides you don't like it.<!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/188.27.36.191|188.27.36.191]] ([[User talk:188.27.36.191#top|talk]]) </small>
}}
*'''Oppose'''.  This isn't a formal determination or finding, just a statement that it's a possibility and should be studied, which we already knew, and is also unlikely to yield results without Chinese cooperation. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 08:32, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' we don't post guesswork. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 08:39, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' WHO is one thing, and if most reliable media agree beyond reasonable doubt that the lab leak hypothesis is correct then we have something to discuss. Otherwise, this is a very gradually incremental "maybe?". [[User:Juxlos|Juxlos]] ([[User talk:Juxlos|talk]]) 08:59, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' hypothesis is [[WP:SPECULATION]], which we don't post. [[User:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b>]][[User talk:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#000000">2302</b>]] ([[User talk:Joseph2302|talk]]) 09:03, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Strong support''' This is not a speculation. Nobel Prize laureate [[Luc Montagnier]] claims the same thing. No brainer here. [https://www.nationalheraldindia.com/international/nobel-winning-scientist-claims-covid-19-virus-originated-in-lab-report] - <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Eugen Simion 14|<span style="color:black">'''Eugεn'''</span>]][[User talk:Eugen Simion 14|<span style="color:gold">'''S¡m¡on'''</span>]]</font> 09:07, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
::{{u|Eugen Simion 14}} "Claims" is not an actual determination or finding of fact.  It's what someone thinks. That one person thinks it was a leak, and the WHO says a leak is a possibility(which we already knew) are indeed speculation until there is a formal investigation and finding, which is unlikely without Chinese cooperation. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 09:13, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' what was once a conspiracy theory is now considered a likely hypothesis by the WHO. Stunning development. [[Special:Contributions/2A02:A451:8B2D:1:18C4:5EEA:1FB:420B|2A02:A451:8B2D:1:18C4:5EEA:1FB:420B]] ([[User talk:2A02:A451:8B2D:1:18C4:5EEA:1FB:420B|talk]]) 09:16, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
::This was never a "conspiracy theory" and was always a possibility. The conspiracy theory is that it was artificially created in a lab, not that it merely escaped a lab. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 09:22, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Strong oppose''' the wording is very misleading, as one can read from the source. [https://nypost.com/2021/08/12/covid-19-lab-leak-theory-probable-hypothesis-who-scientist/ "An employee who was infected in the field by taking samples falls under one of the probable hypotheses," Ben Embarek told the interviewers.] This implies Ben Embarek considers multiple different hypotheses as "probable", which is surely nonstandard usage of the word. This verges on misinformation and should absolutely not be posted. [[User:Banedon|Banedon]] ([[User talk:Banedon|talk]]) 09:20, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Strong oppose''' Pure speculation. There seems to be much confusion about what "likely hypothesis" and "probable hypothesis" actually mean. Superficially there can't be more than one "probable hypothesis", it makes no sense. Unless the phrase "probable hypothesis" simply means that it is probably a hypothesis, rather than a hypothesis with a greater than 50% chance of being correct. [[User:Nigej|Nigej]] ([[User talk:Nigej|talk]]) 09:46, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
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====(Posted) RD: Haydée Coloso-Espino ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Haydée Coloso-Espino
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = https://mb.com.ph/2021/08/13/greatest-pinay-swimmer-passes-away/<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = yes
| updaters      = Hariboneagle927 <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt       = “Asia's Swim Queen" from the 1950s/60s. Her wikibio needs more refs and maybe a little bit of work to make it ready for RD.  <!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
| sign          = --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 23:56, 15 August 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}} I have put in as many footnotes as I can. I hope that would be enough. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 07:09, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Posted to RD'''. Citation issues have been resolved. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082529">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T•</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">C</span>]]</sup> 12:30, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

====(Posted) RD: Johnny Groth====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Johnny Groth
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.palmbeachdailynews.com/story/obituaries/2021/08/12/john-t-groth-former-detroit-tigers-centerfielder-dies-95/5564277001/ ''Palm Beach Daily News'']; [https://www.upi.com/Sports_News/MLB/2021/08/13/Detroit-Tigers-Johnny-Groth-dies-95/7941628863848/ United Press International]
| updated       = yes
| nominator = Bloom6132
| updaters      = Bloom6132
| nom cmt       = Only reported today (August 12); died on August 7
| sign          = —[[User:Bloom6132|Bloom6132]] ([[User talk:Bloom6132|talk]]) 00:47, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
}}
*'''Support''' well-sourced, no issues precluding posting. - '''[[User:Floydian|<span style="color: #0051BA;">Floydian</span>]]'''&nbsp;<sup>[[User_talk:Floydian|<span style="color: #3AAA3A;">τ</span>]]</sup> <sub>[[Special:Contributions/Floydian|<span style="color: #3AAA3A;">¢</span>]]</sub> 17:11, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' looks decent enough for RD. [[User:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b>]][[User talk:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#000000">2302</b>]] ([[User talk:Joseph2302|talk]]) 18:05, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 18:52, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

====(Posted) RD: Kurt Biedenkopf====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Kurt Biedenkopf
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/kurt-biedenkopf-nachruf-der-koenig-ist-tot-a-dcb00be4-9801-4327-912d-eb4b9c332e56 Der Spiegel], [https://www.zeit.de/politik/deutschland/2021-08/kurt-biedenkopf-cdu-politiker-ministerpraesident-sachsen-wissenschaft-tod Die Zeit]
| updated       = yes
| nominator = Grimes2
| updaters      = Grimes2, Gerda Arendt
| nom cmt       = Politician, Former Minister President of Saxony
| sign          = [[User:Grimes2|Grimes2]] ([[User talk:Grimes2|talk]]) 19:21, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
}}
*'''Support''' well sourced article (apart from 1 cn tag added), definitely more than good enough for RD. [[User:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b>]][[User talk:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#000000">2302</b>]] ([[User talk:Joseph2302|talk]]) 07:45, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
::{{Done}} [[User:Grimes2|Grimes2]] ([[User talk:Grimes2|talk]]) 07:54, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Comment''': I added - with 2 more refs from Spiegel and FAZ - a bit of academic and business career, and wrote a lead. Should suffice. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 11:54, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 12:23, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

====(Posted) RD: John A. Rizzo====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = John A. Rizzo
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/12/us/john-rizzo-dead.html ''The New York Times'']; [https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/obituaries/john-rizzo-dead/2021/08/12/6c9a632e-faac-11eb-9c0e-97e29906a970_story.html ''The Washington Post'']
| updated       = yes
| nominator = Bloom6132
| updaters      = Bloom6132
| nom cmt       = Only reported today (August 12); died on August 6
| sign          = —[[User:Bloom6132|Bloom6132]] ([[User talk:Bloom6132|talk]]) 08:45, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
}}
* '''Support''' Looks fine. ''<small>[[User_talk:GreatCaesarsGhost|<span style="color:#938f8d">GreatCaesarsGhost</span>]]</small>'' 14:56, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
* '''Support''' Not as an honour, but like a public service announcement, a grim reminder of the evil lawyers can do. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 10:35, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 11:48, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

==== Plymouth shooting====
{{ITN candidate 
|article=Plymouth shooting
|recent deaths=no
|blurb=Six people, including the perpetrator, are killed in [[Plymouth]] in the UK's first fatal mass shooting since 2010
|altblurb=The British government announces new firearm licensing guidelines after '''[[Plymouth shooting|five people are killed]]''' in the nation's first fatal mass shooting since 2010.
|altblurb2=All firearm licences in England and Wales are reviewed following the UK's '''[[Plymouth shooting|first fatal mass shooting]]''' since 2010.
|sources=[https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-58195419 BBC], [https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/12/world/europe/england-fatal-shooting-plymouth.html New York Times], [https://video.lefigaro.fr/figaro/video/angleterre-six-morts-dont-un-enfant-de-10-ans-dans-une-fusillade-a-plymouth/ ''Le Figaro''], [http://www.elpais.cr/2021/08/12/seis-fallecidos-incluido-el-atacante-en-tiroteo-en-la-ciudad-britanica-de-plymouth/ ''El Pais''], [https://www.welt.de/vermischtes/article233113379/England-Mehrere-Menschen-in-Plymouth-erschossen-kein-Terrorverdacht.html ''Die Welt''], [https://www.repubblica.it/esteri/2021/08/13/news/gb_sparatoria_a_plymouth_morti-313838443/?ref=search ''La Repubblica'']
|updated=yes
|nominator=Awkward42 
|nom cmt=Very rare event in the UK (about 1 per decade on average) so don't judge the death toll by US standards.
|sign=[[user:Awkward42|Awkward42]] ([[user talk:Awkward42|talk]]) <small>[the alternate account of [[user:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[user talk:Thryduulf|talk]])]</small> 06:51, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
}}
:'''Oppose''': while I am aware of the rarity of this, this appears to a purely domestic matter. (I doubt whether it is truly an thing that should be in Wikipedia, but that can wait.) It is not of a weight now for ITN. --[[User:PaulBetteridge|PaulBetteridge]] ([[User talk:PaulBetteridge|talk]]) 07:43, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
::and by "domestic", I mean literally to do with a household --[[User:PaulBetteridge|PaulBetteridge]] ([[User talk:PaulBetteridge|talk]]) 08:29, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' yes, worst mass shooting in a decade but a domestic crime with likely no ongoing impact to the already stringent laws on firearms in the UK.  Utterly tragic though. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 08:41, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' I suspect it will be largely a domestic UK event. [[User:Nigej|Nigej]] ([[User talk:Nigej|talk]]) 09:29, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
:*As were the 2010 [[Cumbria shootings]]? Not sure if that was nominated or posted. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 09:42, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
::*From that article's talk page it seems it was an "in the news" item. Personally I'd still oppose. Big story in the UK but, sadly, pretty common round the world, I suspect. [[User:Nigej|Nigej]] ([[User talk:Nigej|talk]]) 09:58, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
:::*Cumbria was the third worst mass shooting in the history of the UK so that was perfectly reasonable to post.  This event is not ground-breaking at all, just tragic. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 10:18, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''', because it's not important enough. Being rare in the UK doesn't make it notable enough to post. The killer was a lone gunman & there's no indication of any ideological motive. [[User:Jim Michael|Jim Michael]] ([[User talk:Jim Michael|talk]]) 10:04, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
<s>*'''Oppose''' Yes, incredibly rare in the UK, but the previous event ([[2010 Cumbria shootings]]) was a mass shooting as we understand it including some random members of the public being targeted, whereas this appears to be a tragic event confined to victims in one household. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 10:16, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
:* '''Note''' Although it now appears this may not be case (that the victims were from one household - the Guardian quotes a witness as seeing a man "shooting randomly at people"), so waiting to see what transpires. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 10:21, 13 August 2021 (UTC)</s>
:*:Yes, he went through the streets shooting at passers-by. Why did you think it was all one household? &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 10:33, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' - probably opposing per above, since the death toll is relatively low. But also noting that the expansion is below 1500 bytes at present so would need some expansion if it were to be posted. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 10:35, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. Unusual crime here in the UK, but it would open the door to a flood of shootings in other places where they are nowhere near as rare. Unless this leads to a further tightening of gun laws (which seems unlikely and can be considered at the time if that happens) I don't see how this has any long-term impact. Notable enough for an article, not significant enough for an ITN blurb. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 10:58, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
::I'd guess actually fairly likely, whether directly by primary legislation, or in terms of the practical application of it in terms of the checks and standards police operationally apply to issue and renew shotgun licences.  ("Will you give us access to your social-media accounts?"  "No!"  "We'll be in touch.")  But agree that's a separate issue and possible future article, other than to the extent it's already under discussion in reliable sources and successfully addressed in the nominated article.  I must disagree with the slippery-slope argument.  One applies one's crampons, rather than getting out the most waxed pair of skis one can find. Shootings where nowhere near as rare will generate less coverage in reliable sources, consequently fewer articles in the first place, and less likely to be of even serviceable quality in any timely manner.  And even if such do arise, this can be addressed at the ITN stage simply by pointing this out.  [[Special:Contributions/109.255.211.6|109.255.211.6]] ([[User talk:109.255.211.6|talk]]) 15:48, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

Renomination, prompted (though not directly suggested) by the observations of {{ul|Effy Midwinter}} on the article talkpage.  This is not, as may have initially been believed given the understandably confused nature of the reporting, a single-household domestic incident, nor one without a political or ideological dimension, per almost all of the opposing !votes.  Indeed it has particular significance for being not just a rare UK mass shooting, but the first I'm aware of there with apparent elements of [[incel]] movement and [[misogynist terrorism]] as either the motivation, or at the least a framing rationalisation of the violence.  Initially the leading UK news story ahead of Afghanistan, and still featuring prominently.  Presently appearing on the top four stories on [https://edition.cnn.com/world CNN's world news page], so not without general importance, either. [[Special:Contributions/109.255.211.6|109.255.211.6]] ([[User talk:109.255.211.6|talk]]) 02:20, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Comment:''' Re-opening nomination due to arguments brought up by commenter above, as well as some opposition related to article quality. Article was closed 8 hours after nomination so IMO is worthwhile to open up for a little longer to let discussion play out. The article and the story has undergone considerable development since initial reports so I agree that it's worth re-opening for additional discussion. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082529">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T•</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">C</span>]]</sup> 03:22, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
::I hear what you're saying about quality concerns; the article's rather harshly marked as "Start-Class" at present hopefully a slightly lagging indicator, and it's maybe more B-adjacent at this point.  The sourcing seems pretty robust, certainly.  But if the first rough draft of history is still a little ''too'' rough, then so be it.  [[Special:Contributions/109.255.211.6|109.255.211.6]] ([[User talk:109.255.211.6|talk]]) 14:51, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''', and would have before it had a supposedly OK motive, but it was closed when I first saw it. English mass shooting, unusual enough. Plus, the current blurbs are stale. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 06:25, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. As per IP109, somewhat tragically still leading UK news story ahead of the [[2021 Taliban offensive|fall of an entire country to a fundamentalist Islamist movement]]. And I really don't see that "Summer Olympics close (ceremony pictured)" is in the news any more, if it ever was. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 08:36, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' now it's clear the domestic crime was just the start of an extremely unusual (for the UK) mass shooting with wider implications (the incel movement). Article quality is fine. [[User:Pawnkingthree|Pawnkingthree]] ([[User talk:Pawnkingthree|talk]]) 12:49, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' given our intent here is to encourage and reward improvements to WP, and the target is an entirely new article of some quality. There is certainly reasonable debate on both sides of the significance question, but "qualities in one area can make up for deficiencies in another" (per ITN criteria) ''<small>[[User_talk:GreatCaesarsGhost|<span style="color:#938f8d">GreatCaesarsGhost</span>]]</small>'' 12:56, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''', very unusual mass shooting .[[User:Jackattack1597|Jackattack1597]] ([[User talk:Jackattack1597|talk]]) 15:00, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' now we have more information, effectively (and being quoted as) a terrorist event. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 15:09, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Weak oppose''' While the potential connection to incel aspects may be new, we still have the fact that this may simply be a person that was having mental health issues, and still all seems like a "lone wolf" issues and not the start of a fresh wave of potential violence from incels. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 15:14, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
*:There's definitely a ''connection'' to incel culture, as the article now pretty clearly establishes, which I think is highly notable in itself.  That's not to say it's clear-cut between that and mental-health issues:  it needn't be -- and likely isn't -- entirely one, or entirely the other.  The two may have interacted -- the perpetrator himself essentially claimed that movement had worsened his own mental health -- or it might be more of a framing rationale.  It's certainly lone-wolf in that this isn't an ''organised'' attack or conspiracy.  But that's true of many incidents classed as terrorism, under the 'self-radicalised' category.  Or more precisely, radicalised under the influence of ''many'' others, but not with the ''explicit'' purpose of this sort of violence.  I don't think the 'fresh wave' idea is suggested as part of why this is especially notable or newsworthy.  [[Special:Contributions/109.255.211.6|109.255.211.6]] ([[User talk:109.255.211.6|talk]]) 02:38, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. Why is this reopened? The death toll is low on a global scale, worse incidents happen all the time elsewhere. The guy was a nutter, we knew that all along. Just because people start talking about "terrorism" doesn't suddenly change what happened. And we're not a news ticker. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 15:45, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Weak support''' I would more support posting if this led to some extended background check being implemented since this guy was apparently a clear danger from social media posts and family reports, but article improvements and the new information seem generally sufficient. [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 18:43, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
::The background checks thing is being more and loudly mooted.  The Telegraph had a retired chief constable commenting on this yesterday, and according to the BBC review of ''The Papers'', they've another story tomorrow on this being likely to actually happen -- apparently not yet on their own website, nor is it on the BBC's, so not usable in the article at least until then.  [[Special:Contributions/109.255.211.6|109.255.211.6]] ([[User talk:109.255.211.6|talk]]) 23:41, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''support''' - Rare event in the UK. Looks ready for posting.[[User:BabbaQ|BabbaQ]] ([[User talk:BabbaQ|talk]]) 18:45, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' I don't think any kind of immediate action against gun violence is either likely or, frankly, ''possible'' in any case, so I don't see why that's the bar for so many. That will come later. In the meantime, we're left with one of Britain's worst terror attacks. [[User:AllegedlyHuman|AllegedlyHuman]] ([[User talk:AllegedlyHuman|talk]]) 18:46, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' so this is an [[incel]] shooting.  It's unusual in the UK, and it's very sad indeed.  We have a law that seems to suggest that incel shootings don't qualify as terrorism.  It seems odd (to me) that men who find life challenging when they can't have sex with women resort to hating women and then killing them.  There may well be underlying issues that are yet to be discussed/released.  I still '''oppose''' posting this kind of thing, even in the UK where such things are rare as rocking-horse shit.  It's sad that there's a section of "society" that feels obliged to destroy another section because of their misgivings.  Wikipedia should recognise it in the context of the world, i.e. it's nothing in the big scheme, but it's hugely societally important to recognise in the UK that we maybe dropped the ball on incel culture and its terrifying effects.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 18:52, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' because it's not important enough. Though rare in Europe, mass shootings with higher death tolls occur many times each year in the world. Being unusual in its location doesn't make it more important, even though that's the main reason for the Western media being intensely interested in this after having almost ignored the [[2021 Spin Boldak shooting]], whose death toll was about 100 & which wasn't nominated here. This isn't being treated as terrorism, and even if it were it wouldn't be one of the UK's worst terrorist attacks or mass murders. Compared to the [[Denmark Place fire]], [[Hungerford massacre]], [[Lockerbie bombing]], [[Omagh bombing]], [[7/7]] etc., this is tiny. There's no international angle - unless you count him liking some American things. [[User:Jim Michael|Jim Michael]] ([[User talk:Jim Michael|talk]]) 18:58, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
*:The Spin Boldak shooting took place in Afghanistan which, as we all know now, is a warzone.  Plymouth is not a warzone.  Try to get some perspective that doesn't rely on hyperbolic examples.  This was the third-worst mass shooting in the UK, with six dead.  In Amurica that would have been a mass shooting that happened last week.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 19:07, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
:::It's not the third most deadly mass shooting in UK history: the [[Ballymurphy massacre]], [[Bloody Sunday (1972)|Bloody Sunday]], [[Kingsmill massacre]], [[Hungerford massacre]], [[Greysteel massacre]], [[Dunblane massacre]] & [[Cumbria shootings]] were all mass shootings in the UK with higher death tolls.
:::Had this happened in the US, it would have been quickly closed with a fairly strong consensus against posting. [[User:Jim Michael|Jim Michael]] ([[User talk:Jim Michael|talk]]) 19:15, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
::::Well either you're being contrary or you don't understand what I'm saying, the IRA (etc) vs the Army aren't part of the thinking of the vox populi.  Still, I'm not engaging here, it's a waste of my life.  In the US, six dead from mass shooting happens almost every month.  In the UK it happens perhaps once a decade.  Next.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 19:19, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
:::::You said mass shootings, you didn't limit it by perpetrator, but even if you do, how do you work out that Plymouth was only the third most deadly? In any case, being rare in its country doesn't make it important to most of our readers or to history. The international media report this prominently because of its rarity, not importance. We wouldn't post a fairly small earthquake due to it being rare in its location. [[User:Jim Michael|Jim Michael]] ([[User talk:Jim Michael|talk]]) 19:23, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
::::::Wow, you're going here for some kind of "record"?  I'll defer to your infinite knowledge, and just stick with facts, it's the worst mass shooting in the UK since 2010.  Of course, yesterday  and tomorrow we'll see worse in the US.  I don't know what you're trying to achieve here. Rarity and importance are intrinsically related.  Oh dear........  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 19:29, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
::::::<small>Could call it the second-worst mass shooting recorded, all the others seem to be ''massacres'' (i.e. intention to kill a large homogenous group, not shoot and hope), if we want to get specific. [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 19:55, 15 August 2021 (UTC)</small>
::::::::Whether or not massacre is in their titles is mostly due to whether or not that's the common name. I listed mass shootings. Kingsmill is just as much a mass shooting as Plymouth. Hungerford & Cumbria weren't about killing a homogenous group, so how can you say that Plymouth is second? [[User:Jim Michael|Jim Michael]] ([[User talk:Jim Michael|talk]]) 08:38, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
:::::::On "There's no international angle", per [[WP:ITN/C]], "Voicing an opinion on an item [...] Please do not... [...] oppose an item because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one. This applies to a high percentage of the content we post and is unproductive."  I've read a series of comments from Jim Mitchell about the lack of "importance" of this, and can't discern any operable standard that would apply here to preclude this -- while including any reasonable number of other ITN items at all -- short of ignoring reliable sources as being hopelessly biased, and ignoring what's in the news as playing any part in determining what appears as "In the News".  [[Special:Contributions/109.255.211.6|109.255.211.6]] ([[User talk:109.255.211.6|talk]]) 23:51, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. This incident was and is sufficiently important. This was the worst mass shooting in a decade in England (and indeed more broadly in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland). The fact that similar shootings may take place in the USA much more often, or indeed in any other country, is irrelevant. The gun laws in England and Wales are much stronger than in almost any other jurisdiction. (NB the gun laws and their enforcement in Scotland are not identical, and in Northern Ireland a firearm including a handgun may be acquired on the grounds of personal protection). It was not a domestic incident – after killing his mother, the killer then used his shotgun in the streets outside his mother's home, to blast, kill or injure numerous others, each of them strangers, including a three-year-old girl and her father. The 22-year-old white blue-collar killer was a mentally disturbed individual who had had his shotgun licence removed after threatening two youths. After he completed an anger management course, Devon Police then returned to the killer both his shotgun licence and his shotgun. This was despite the fact that five years earlier, without provocation, the killer had assaulted a 25-year-old man and his pregnant girlfriend. According to news reports, the killer had also attacked and beaten up his father. The killer's mother had tried without success to get help for her mentally ill son from social services. The killer posted frequent tirades against women and referred to himself as an incel. Many commenters in the UK media, and UK politicians, have questioned the actions of Devon Police in returning the shotgun licence and the shotgun to a person who was mentally disturbed, and the subsequent decision by Devon Police to classify the mass murders as a single incident of domestic violence. [[Special:Contributions/82.15.254.27|82.15.254.27]] ([[User talk:82.15.254.27|talk]]) 21:32, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
*Probably oppose per TRM. But it is a tragic event. [[User:ProcrastinatingReader|ProcrastinatingReader]] ([[User talk:ProcrastinatingReader|talk]]) 21:35, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
*''' Strong oppose''' shootings happen in the UK, as they do in every country, some more than others. However firearms offences aren't all that rare in the UK, this story is only different because there is no element of criminal underworld involvement or gang-warfare. Also I suggested [[Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates/July 2021#(Closed) Sub-postmaster scandal|this UK-based story]] a short while back which had far more long term wider implications and affected far more people both directly and indirectly and that was turned down as "local event" despite it being country-wide. This, whilst tragic, only affects no more than one neighbourhood in a fairly average city, with unlikely any long-term consequences; so lets be consistent. [[User:Abcmaxx|Abcmaxx]] ([[User talk:Abcmaxx|talk]]) 21:53, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
*:No, shootings in the UK are super-rare.  Mass shootings even more so.  Trying to equate a post-master story with the worst mass shooting in the UK in a decade is bizarre.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 21:57, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
*::Nowhere near as rare as you claim. Yes, statistically given the population and size UK's gun violence rate is low, however there's shootings in urban areas like London, Glasgow, Manchester and Liverpool relatively regularly, nearly always gang related or organised crime related, and yes, it's usually targeted against a specific individual. But let's not pretend it doesn't happen at all. [[User:Abcmaxx|Abcmaxx]] ([[User talk:Abcmaxx|talk]]) 22:22, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
*:::The claim was about the rarity of ''mass'' shootings, not of firearms deaths generally.  It would clearly be fallacious to argue that if you wait a while they'll be six deaths in a particular city, so that's comparable to a mass shooting of six people, so I'm certain that's not what you're seeking to do.  I can't improve on "bizarre" as a description of the comparison with that other article, and bringing up the lack of success of ''your own'' nomination is an especially poor look.  Nor as 'turned down as "local event"' even accurate, that was one comment of a whole series of objections, including sustained newsworthiness ''even within'' the UK (clearly not applicable here), and specific concerns about the article.  [[Special:Contributions/109.255.211.6|109.255.211.6]] ([[User talk:109.255.211.6|talk]]) 00:06, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
*::::Even then, I would guess the rate of gang shootings/single-person-target shootings/accidental shootings/basically any not-mass shooting in the UK is much lower than in even just Detroit or [insert Middle Eastern city for equity], let alone other areas of equivalent population to the country, enough to be described as rare in comparison to the world. Because guns are stupid easy to get hold of in many places, so random shootings are stupid common. [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 01:15, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
*:::::I don't have a direct comparison to offer framed in those terms for Detroit, but here's a [[List of countries by firearm-related death rate|handy sortable table]] at the country level.  (On Middle Eastern cities, I think those are pretty variable:  "actually at war" tends to have quite the effect on the stats.  (Hi Iraq, Syria.))  But not far off, UK's per-cap gun-murder rate is about 1/20th of the US's (which alarmingly itself isn't even in the top dozen or so "not actually at war" countries).  Not to be confused with the ''total'' murder rate, of course:  there's always people willing to go that extra mile, if they really have to.  [[Special:Contributions/109.255.211.6|109.255.211.6]] ([[User talk:109.255.211.6|talk]]) 02:13, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
*:::::: Why are we comparing the UK to the US, itself a unique case with regards to gun crime? If anything that table shows that yes, the UK gun crime rate is low but it isn't anything out of the ordinary compared with the rest of the European continent. You cannot seriously compare a place like Plymouth to Detroit, you'd barely be able to compare [[Plymouth]] to [[Plymouth, Massachusetts|Plymouth]]. The fact is domestic incidents happen in Europe too, and sometimes they involve gun, it is a sad fact of life and [[WP:ROUTINE]] news most of the time. [[User:Abcmaxx|Abcmaxx]] ([[User talk:Abcmaxx|talk]]) 23:16, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' Added alt now that new social media-firearm license guidance has been outlined. [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 07:20, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' After not hearing anything about this before, and reading the article, I find that the motivation for posting is at odds with the article itself. The official response is that it's some sort of domestic issue, per the chief constable. This line is immediately followed by an WP:OR section (farmed out to ''Guardian'' and YouTube and Reddit) that ponders the societal consequences/causes of such action. Which is completely at odds with the perpetrator's choice of victims. Shortly, the stated reason for re-opening seems tangential at best to the statements of authorities and acts of the perpetrator. I'm sure I can dredge up some good conspiracies surrounding his defense-contractor employer and 5G; but it would be improper to put them in the article absent further authoritative comment.[[Special:Contributions/130.233.213.61|130.233.213.61]] ([[User talk:130.233.213.61|talk]]) 08:26, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' This incident has now [https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58226072 prompted a systematic review] of all England and Wales police force's licenses, application processes as well as (upcoming) new statutory guidance. That seems a significant enough impact on the UK's already quite strict gun laws to merit being out of the ordinary. [[User:Only in death|Only in death does duty end]] ([[User talk:Only in death|talk]]) 09:17, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
*:Yes, and rightly so. Our government takes gun violence seriously here in the UK, I'm glad to say. That's still a relatively local issue of limited global relevance though, and the shooting itself, although tragic, remains relatively small in impact as far as death and injury toll are concerned. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 09:28, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
*::What about golf club murder? That hurts more (unless you knock out first). [[User:Sagittarian Milky Way|Sagittarian Milky Way]] ([[User talk:Sagittarian Milky Way|talk]]) 21:47, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' – Such a mass killing in a peaceful residential area is significant news for ITN. [[User:STSC|STSC]] ([[User talk:STSC|talk]]) 09:25, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
*:It's not. We almost never post incidents with fewer than 10 deaths, unless there's some significant wider global impact. The San Jose shooting in May had double the deaths, and it was [[Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates/May_2021#(Closed)_San_Jose_shooting|unanimously opposed at ITN]]. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 09:31, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
*::Yes, but San Jose is in the US, and ITN has the view that US mass shootings are a dime a dozen. [[User:ProcrastinatingReader|ProcrastinatingReader]] ([[User talk:ProcrastinatingReader|talk]]) 09:35, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
*::Just using body count to evaluate the significance of an event is immoral. [[User:STSC|STSC]] ([[User talk:STSC|talk]]) 09:43, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
*:::Huh? I've never heard "morality" used as an argument at ITN before, but if we're going down that route then I'd argue the greater immorality would be to declare that 10 people in San Jose are less important than 6 people in Plymouth. The bottom line is, though, we don't ask how moral it this, or how sad we feel, but to question whether it has lasting international or major domestic impact. And I just don't think it does. It's in the news in the UK and in some US outlets yes, but ITN has never been a news-ticker and we need some evidence that this is of wider importance beyond police and government reviews into what went wrong in this instance. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 10:49, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
:::::Your statement "we almost never post incidents with fewer than 10 deaths" is immoral and absurd '''by any standard'''. You're saying that man just hasn't killed enough people. [[User:STSC|STSC]] ([[User talk:STSC|talk]]) 11:32, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
::::::He hasn't. Not as far as ITN is concerned. Although the regulars here do fiercely deny it, [[WP:MINIMUMDEATHS]] was actually a thing for a while (indeed, it still exists as a [[User:IntoThinAir/Things that won't get posted to ITN|userspace essay]]). '''[[User:WaltCip|WaltCip]]'''-''<small>([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]])</small>'' 12:11, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
:::::::We shouldn't judge UK gun deaths by UK gun death standards, but by 'global' -- meaning US -- ones?  Even ignoring that notability ''is'' localised (rainstorm in the Atacama = news, rainstorm in Cork = Tuesday) why wouldn't the standard be the global median?  Or what's typical for the developed world?  Or the global ''maximum''?  (Full-scale civil war or it didn't happen.)  [[Special:Contributions/109.255.211.6|109.255.211.6]] ([[User talk:109.255.211.6|talk]]) 22:13, 16 August 2021 (UTC)  PS/ETA:  Just looked at the MINDEATHS essay, not sure whether to be amused or appalled (and not sure to what extent it's satire, and to what degree it's userguide).  But I somewhat wryly note that by its 'mass shootings' bul-- eh, point number three, this "should be enough for posting".  Except possibly in Belgium.
*'''Oppose''' - The totality of the low death toll, the minimal impact and the staleness of this story essentially makes this a non-starter. Yes, the UK is reacting to this by adding more restrictions. They are actually doing what governments are supposed to do all the time, as opposed to the US which functions as a very dubious exception to the rule.--'''[[User:WaltCip|WaltCip]]'''-''<small>([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]])</small>'' 12:10, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
*:Not a 'low death toll' by UK standards, as has been pointed out, scratching my head at 'low impact' (on what or whom?), and as to 'staleness' I'd point out that ITN#4 is ''still'' "The Summer Olympics close in Tokyo, Japan."  Though perhaps in hindsight I should have re-nominated this as soon as I became aware of it...  [[Special:Contributions/109.255.211.6|109.255.211.6]] ([[User talk:109.255.211.6|talk]]) 22:13, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
*::When an Olympics closes in Tokyo, it stays closed for years. A shooting in Plymouth is more fleeting, like cherry blossoms, post them while they're hot! But yes, less philosophically, your nom's ''way'' fresher. Another thing the Chinese Silver Show had going for it was advance notice. For weeks, the regulars all kind of knew it was just a matter of time before they felt compelled to post it. When people think deeper about things, they can still ''seem'' fresher later than literal yesterday's news does now. Even [[Plymouth Rock]] will still seem fresher to millions in about three months. Face it, mass shootings are difficult sells in this market, you did the best you could, eh? [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 07:43, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
*:::My renom, for accuracy.  Bear in mind that this was nominated days earlier, and I'm just trying to help out with the wikiprocess, futile as that may be.  Nor have I done any of the heavy lifting on the content.  Olympics is indeed still closed, and but ''not'' still in the news. Plymouth shooting is still in the news, albeit no longer leading it or contending with Afghanistan.  It's fairly clear to me which is the more useful and accurately described front-page content;  editors and process may have different priorities, of course. [[Special:Contributions/109.255.211.6|109.255.211.6]] ([[User talk:109.255.211.6|talk]]) 22:50, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

====(Posted) RD: Una Stubbs====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Una Stubbs<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-58190446 BBC]<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = no<!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = The Rambling Man <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = Amakuru,Martinevans123<!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt       = Standard: career/filmography woefully under-referenced.<!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
| sign          = [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 14:54, 12 August 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
:At least the article is not a stub[bs]. --[[Special:Contributions/180.244.163.23|180.244.163.23]] ([[User talk:180.244.163.23|talk]]) 06:39, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
::{{small|Thank you for your helpful comment. Could you [[Give Us a Clue|give us a clue]] on how to improve it? [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 10:53, 15 August 2021 (UTC) }}
:::[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AIn_the_news%2FCandidates&type=revision&diff=1038459495&oldid=1038456613 Absolute fucking A* major irony klaxon].  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 18:53, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
::::Thanks for reminding us all. Great to see ITN looking [[The Bleak Old Shop of Stuff|as vibrant as ever]]. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 22:34, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

*'''Till Death Do Us Part''' While ITN has snubbed Stubbs, note that her article was the top read for the day, with a [https://pageviews.toolforge.org/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&redirects=0&start=2021-08-06&end=2021-08-16&pages=Gerd_M%C3%BCller|Una_Stubbs|Gino_Strada|David_Levene_(businessman)|Donald_Kagan|Douglas_Applegate|Johnny_Groth larger readership] than [[Gerd Müller]] and the other minor RDs.{{quote|Mrs. Hudson : And I noticed you published another of your stories, Dr. Watson.<br>Dr. John Watson : Yes. Did you enjoy it?<br>Mrs. Hudson : No.<br>Dr. John Watson : Oh?<br>Mrs. Hudson : I never enjoy them.<br>Dr. John Watson : Why not?<br>Mrs. Hudson : Well, I never say anything do I? According to you, I just show people up the stairs and serve you breakfast.<br>Dr. John Watson : Well, within the narrative, that is, broadly speaking, your function.}}
: [[user:Andrew Davidson|Andrew]]🐉([[user talk:Andrew Davidson|talk]]) 10:02, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
::Indeed. We fool ourselves that an appearance on Main page will direct readers, '''only when the article is good enough'''. Readers go straight there regardless. The main task should just be improving the article, not all lining up to say "[[Aunt Sally|it's not good enough yet]]"? [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 10:08, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - it was a big shame to see this legend of the British acting scene go by un-notived, so I've fixed up the refs on the article. Looks good to go to me. Any chance of posting it before it slips off the bottom? Cheers &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 14:38, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Ready to go now.-- [[User:Pawnkingthree|Pawnkingthree]] ([[User talk:Pawnkingthree|talk]]) 14:46, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
* Posted. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 14:57, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
== August 11 ==
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==== (Posted) RD: Peter Fleischmann ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Peter Fleischmann
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.spiegel.de/kultur/kino/peter-fleischmann-tot-regisseur-von-jagdszenen-aus-niederbayern-a-3cf4e445-3079-4f20-a8a7-8b1fdde1a377 Der Spiegel]
| creator       = 
| updaters      = Gerda Arendt, Grimes2
| nom cmt       = I am sorry that I turned to this influential film maker only now, after [[Kurt Biedenkopf]], absence due to real life pleasures, overdue DYK nominations and having to deal with much criticism in the field. This person, who made a film about a plague in 1979 - science fiction then and of striking actuality in the pandemic - should be highlighted, imho. I'd understand if you said "too late", and then have to blame myself for not getting my priorities right.
| sign          = 
}}
* '''Comment'''. This is absolutely not "too late". So, you should not have to worry there. I will give this article a detailed read later today. Looks largely good at first glance. But, a quick question for you -- are all of the points on the filmography section covered by ref #11? Similarly the screenwriter section? In addition, I would be curious about the secondary points on each of those bullets e.g. Arkady and Boris Strugatsky's 1964 novel Hard to Be a God, also producer. Should ensure that they are covered by ref #11 or add a separate ref.
: PS: Did you mean real life "pleasures" or "pressures". If you meant the former, I am genuinely happy for you. If the latter, I send across my warmest wishes for you to feel better soon. Cheers. [[User:Ktin|Ktin]] ([[User talk:Ktin|talk]]) 16:36, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
:: Thank you. Pleasures. The ref is rich, has a list (right) which has his functions, often many for one film ("Mitwirking" = participation, didn't know how to say that, "Sprecher" = speaker, narrator, "Regie" = direction, "Drehbuch" = script, screenplay, "Kommentar" = commentary, "Produzent" = producer, "Interviews" = interviewer, "Darsteller" = actor, "Schnitt" = cutter, "Stoff" = theme, "Ton" = sound, "Regie-Assistenz" = assistant director, "Kamera" = camera, ) and prose with more detail to some on the left. There's a link to more details about each film if that's not enough, and some films are covered also by other refs further up. I had no time to check, and still have a DYK nom due today. Thank you for looking into it! --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 17:02, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
* '''Support'''. Article looks good for homepage / RD. I am assuming good faith [[WP:AGF]] on the Filmportal.de ref (currently ref #11) covering of all of the filmography entries that are not covered by in-line refs. RIP. [[User:Ktin|Ktin]] ([[User talk:Ktin|talk]]) 23:32, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 02:00, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

==== (Posted) RD: David Levene ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = David Levene (businessman)
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.thenewzealandtimes.com/outward-bound-co-founder-sir-david-levene-dies/ NZ Times]
| creator       = Paora
| updaters      = Paora
| nom cmt       = This wikiarticle was created by User:Paora one day after the subject's death. <!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
| sign          = --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 18:30, 15 August 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Support''' - Looks good to go.--[[User:BabbaQ|BabbaQ]] ([[User talk:BabbaQ|talk]]) 18:39, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 02:42, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
== August 10 ==
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====(Posted) RD: Donald Kagan====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Donald Kagan
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://news.yale.edu/2021/08/10/donald-kagan-celebrated-historian-ancient-world-and-revered-teacher Yale University]; [https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/13/books/donald-kagan-dead.html ''The New York Times'']; [https://apnews.com/article/europe-arts-and-entertainment-d8745b078b9d515e5a75a573d9216fe4 Associated Press]; [https://www.nhregister.com/news/article/Donald-Kagan-Yale-s-funny-outrageous-16383738.php ''New Haven Register'']
| updated       = yes
| nominator = Bloom6132
| updaters      = Bloom6132
| nom cmt       = First reported today (August 10); died on August 6
| sign          = —[[User:Bloom6132|Bloom6132]] ([[User talk:Bloom6132|talk]]) 06:18, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
}}
* Looks '''READY for RD''' to me. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 00:25, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Posted to RD'''. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082529">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T•</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">C</span>]]</sup> 05:53, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

==== (Posted) RD: Tommy Curtis ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Tommy Curtis
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.tallahassee.com/story/sports/2021/08/10/funeral-service-set-former-leon-ucla-star-tommy-curtis/5547845001/ ''Tallahassee Democrat''], [https://www.wtxl.com/sports/tommy-curtis-1st-black-basketball-player-at-leon-high-has-died WTXML.com]
| updated       = yes
| nominator     = Bagumba <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = Bagumba
| nom cmt       = College basketball player was a two-time national champion with [[UCLA Bruins men's basketball|UCLA]]. Per [[WP:RSBREAKING]], death confirmed on this day after only one initial reporting on Aug 6.
| sign          = —[[User:Bagumba|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba|talk]]) 13:18, 12 August 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Support''' Referenced, good depth of coverage. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082529">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T•</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">C</span>]]</sup> 01:25, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 01:47, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

====(Posted) RD: Neal Conan====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Neal Conan
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/11/business/media/neal-conan-dead.html ''The New York Times'']; [https://www.npr.org/2021/08/10/1012705546/neal-conan-dies-npr-talk-of-the-nation NPR]; [https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/celebrities/2021/08/11/neal-conan-npr-talk-nation-dies-glioblastoma/5565447001/ ''USA Today'']
| updated       = yes
| nominator     = Bloom6132
| updaters       = Bloom6132, COScienceWriter07
| nom cmt       = 
| sign          = [[User:Bloom6132|Bloom6132]] ([[User talk:Bloom6132|talk]]) 22:37, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
}}
*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 03:19, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

==== (Posted) RD: Eduardo Martínez Somalo ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Eduardo Martínez Somalo
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.vaticannews.va/en/vatican-city/news/2021-08/cardinal-martinez-somalo-dead-former-camerlengo.html Vatican News]
| updated       = yes
| nominator     = Alsoriano97 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      =‎ Bmclaughlin9 
| nom cmt       = The camarlengo who led the Holy See for 17 days after the death of John Paul II and the election of Benedict XVI. The article is in good condition. Now I will finish improving some necessary retouching.  
| sign          =  [[User:Alsoriano97|_-_Alsoriano97]] ([[User talk:Alsoriano97|talk]]) 11:25, 11 August 2021 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Nom. comment''' Article is fully sourced and ready. [[User:Alsoriano97|_-_Alsoriano97]] ([[User talk:Alsoriano97|talk]]) 14:28, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
**Many of the refs appear to be [[WP:PRIMARY]] though. - [[User:Indefensible|Indefensible]] ([[User talk:Indefensible|talk]]) 20:12, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
::* Even so, the Policy is still complied with. [[User:Alsoriano97|_-_Alsoriano97]] ([[User talk:Alsoriano97|talk]]) 23:29, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Contributor comment'''. The primary sources policy says: "A primary source may be used on Wikipedia only to make straightforward, descriptive statements of facts that can be verified by any educated person with access to the primary source but without further, specialized knowledge." Though I can't be sure which citations triggered the objection above, the annual volumes of the ''Acta Apostolicae Sedis'', cited several times, are the official published record of the Holy See and require no interpretation. They allow us to cite specific dates the deceased got or changed jobs. [[User:Bmclaughlin9|Bmclaughlin9]] ([[User talk:Bmclaughlin9|talk]]) 15:00, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Weak support''' Wish there was a little more detail about his career than just positions and dates, but there are a few additional sentences. Meets minimum standards. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082529">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T•</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">C</span>]]</sup> 15:21, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' meets the RD requirements [[User:Joseywales1961|<span style="color:green">''JW 1961''</span>]]<sup> [[User talk:Joseywales1961|<span style="color:#0000CD">''Talk''</span>]]</sup> 21:41, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 10:37, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

==== (Closed) Lionel Messi joins PSG ====
{{archivetop|The discussion about Messi leaving Barcelona was closed on the 5th. No chance a consensus will form to post this. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 09:54, 11 August 2021 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Lionel Messi
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = [[Lionel Messi]] joins [[Paris Saint-Germain F.C.|PSG]] on a two-year contract.
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR          = <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/58163106 BBC]<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = 
| nominator     = <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator       = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt       = Messi signed for another club and he'll no longer be a one-club man.  His transfer to PSG has been top news for days.
| sign          = --[[User:Stop racism immediately|Stop racism immediately]] ([[User talk:Stop racism immediately|talk]]) 09:49, 11 August 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Oppose''' just like we opposed him leaving Barcelona a few days ago. We wouldn't post a transfer for any other sport. [[User:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b>]][[User talk:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#000000">2302</b>]] ([[User talk:Joseph2302|talk]]) 09:53, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
{{archivebottom}}

==== (Posted) RD: Tony Esposito ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Tony Esposito
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/hall-of-fame-goaltender-tony-esposito-dies-78-1.6136822 CBC], [https://www.nhl.com/news/hockey-hall-of-fame-goalie-tony-esposito-dies/c-325944642 NHL], [https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/blackhawks/ct-tony-esposito-chicago-blackhawks-dies-20210810-5naa4yxmrzc3hf7hzc4plmpmti-story.html Chicago Tribune]
| updated       = yes
| nominator     = NorthernFalcon <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = Discospinster, Teemu08
| nom cmt       = Hockey Hall of Fame goaltender, one of the top 5 goaltenders of all time.  Article is not good enough for the front page yet, but hopefully his passing will bring attention to the article and perhaps it will be ready in a day or so.
| sign          = [[User:NorthernFalcon|NorthernFalcon]] ([[User talk:NorthernFalcon|talk]]) 02:53, 11 August 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Comment''' article is good to go now. [[User:NorthernFalcon|NorthernFalcon]] ([[User talk:NorthernFalcon|talk]]) 20:15, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Good team effort, everyone. Didn't think this one would make it. [[User:Teemu08|Teemu08]] ([[User talk:Teemu08|talk]]) 23:14, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' The article is worthy of such a great player now.  Well done.  --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 23:22, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 23:41, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

==== (Closed) Andrew Cuomo to resign ====
{{atop|Consensus will not develop to post. [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 00:46, 11 August 2021 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Andrew Cuomo sexual harassment allegations
| article2      = Andrew Cuomo
| blurb         = Following '''[[Andrew Cuomo sexual harassment allegations|several allegations of sexual harassment]]''', [[Governor of New York|New York governor]] '''[[Andrew Cuomo]]''' ''(pictured)'' announces his resignation.
| image         = File:Andrew Cuomo 2019.jpg
| caption       = Andrew Cuomo
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2021/08/10/new-york-andrew-cuomo-resigns/9811628612110/ UPI], [https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/new-york-gov-andrew-cuomo-resigns-n1260310 NBC News]
| updated       = yes
| nominator     = Masem <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator       = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt       = I know this is a US state level politics (which ITN usually doesn't do), and I know that the resignation isn't going to happen officially for two weeks, but I would argue that this has been a long-brewing story since last Dec. 2020, has been been covered internationally (eg [https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-58153726]) and has some other impacts. NY being one of the US's more populous states, and this, alongside the recall election stuff in California for Gov. Newsom, are things that have made world news that would seem to be ITN appropriate. 
| sign          = [[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 16:52, 10 August 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Support''' Was just about to nominate this myself. Currently featured on de.wiki as well. '''Question''': Should the blurb mention the [[New York COVID-19 nursing home scandal]] as well as the sexual harassment scandal? [[User:AllegedlyHuman|AllegedlyHuman]] ([[User talk:AllegedlyHuman|talk]]) 16:57, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
*:He would never have resigned over the nursing homes alone so I think it would be misleading to include it.[[User:Pawnkingthree|Pawnkingthree]] ([[User talk:Pawnkingthree|talk]]) 17:02, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' He's a domestic politician and it's domestic affair. He leads a very populous state, but he is still a regional leader. Yes, he will resign because of a scandal that has echoed around the world, but is there anything exceptional? absolutely nothing. [[User:Alsoriano97|_-_Alsoriano97]] ([[User talk:Alsoriano97|talk]]) 17:00, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
*:The last time any U.S. state governor resigned was [[Eric Greitens|over three years ago]]. This is pretty exceptional, and of all states, it's New Yawk, the one people have probably heard of outside the States. [[User:AllegedlyHuman|AllegedlyHuman]] ([[User talk:AllegedlyHuman|talk]]) 17:03, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
*::Resignations are part of political normality, however shocking they may be. Also, honestly, I don't think Cuomo's is that unexpected. One question: if the mayor of Paris, Rome or Barcelona were involved, would he/she also have to be directly in the ITN because they are well-known cities?  [[User:Alsoriano97|_-_Alsoriano97]] ([[User talk:Alsoriano97|talk]]) 17:10, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
*:::¯\_(ツ)_/¯ [[User:AllegedlyHuman|AllegedlyHuman]] ([[User talk:AllegedlyHuman|talk]]) 17:12, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
*:::I'd support them being posted to ITN, personally. But I think it is also different when it's a sovereign state (which New York is) vs. a political subdivision under the control of a unitary Government. -- [[User:Rockstone35|<span style="color:#DF0101"><b>Rockstone</b></span>]][[User talk:Rockstone35|<span style="color:0000ff;font-size:8px"><small><sup><b>[Send me a message!]</b></sup></small></span>]] 20:55, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
*::::{{re|Rockstone}} I strongly advise you read the [[List of sovereign states]], then hop over to check out the ''[[Federated_state#List_of_constituents_by_federation|list of federated states]]'' because frankly you're just embarrassing yourself. [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 21:42, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
*:::::I literally looked at that -- it backs up what I'm saying. Scotland is not a sovereign state, nor a member of a federation of sovereign states, so I don't know what your point is. -- [[User:Rockstone35|<span style="color:#DF0101"><b>Rockstone</b></span>]][[User talk:Rockstone35|<span style="color:0000ff;font-size:8px"><small><sup><b>[Send me a message!]</b></sup></small></span>]] 21:57, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
*:::::I also don't know what your point is. I never said New York was a fully sovereign state, just that it is a sovereign state, which all members of any Federation are. The article is pretty clear on that. Maybe you should read it yourself. -- [[User:Rockstone35|<span style="color:#DF0101"><b>Rockstone</b></span>]][[User talk:Rockstone35|<span style="color:0000ff;font-size:8px"><small><sup><b>[Send me a message!]</b></sup></small></span>]] 21:59, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
::::::*{{tq|I never said New York was a fully sovereign state, just that it is a sovereign state}} - time for bed? {{tq|it backs up what I'm saying}} No it really doesn't, maybe you should read them with this nom in mind. You keep throwing around that New York is a "[[sovereign state]]", and the article pretty clearly shows that no subdivisions are. I assume you're saying it's a federated state with sovereignty (you should say "autonomy" and/or specify not nation-state to prevent the confusion). And as the federation list shows, and what my point very obviously has been from the start, is that US states are no more special than hundreds if not thousands of other nations' states using the same system - and others not on that list with a non-federal system - so creating an ITN "exception" would not be an exception in the slightest and would certainly justify nominating any political mishap from, say, the island of Nevis. <small>P.S. I don't know why you're harping on about Scotland/UK when I mentioned so many other examples but you cling to your one line of Westminster-devolution defense ;)</small> [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 22:07, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
:::::::* Autonomy and sovereignty are two different things. New York is both autonomous and sovereign. Scotland is autonomous, but not sovereign. [[Federated_state]] describes this concept in more detail. But I think we are also arguing semantics -- i.e. there are two different definitions of what it means to be a sovereign state; New York fits one definition, but not the other. Anyway, I'm perfectly fine with events from the Island of Nevis being in ITN. -- [[User:Rockstone35|<span style="color:#DF0101"><b>Rockstone</b></span>]][[User talk:Rockstone35|<span style="color:0000ff;font-size:8px"><small><sup><b>[Send me a message!]</b></sup></small></span>]] 22:17, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
::::::::* I just got the weirdest deja vu (of something else, not this thread), but, note about Nevis taken, let's agree that New York isn't an actual sovereign state by UN definitions, that Scotland needs to gain independence just to make this thread funnier, and that if you would support every New York-equivalent-'state' story being posted then I have nothing more to offer. I think it sets an awful standard but if you would stick by it no matter where, you do you. [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 22:33, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
:::::::::* Fair enough -- I agree. Under the UN's definition, New York isn't a fully sovereign state, and this whole thing is semantics. :-) And yes, Scotland (and Northern Ireland) should gain independence. -- [[User:Rockstone35|<span style="color:#DF0101"><b>Rockstone</b></span>]][[User talk:Rockstone35|<span style="color:0000ff;font-size:8px"><small><sup><b>[Send me a message!]</b></sup></small></span>]] 22:37, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Local politician leaves because he was a jerk to women. Pretty much not the sort of thing ITN covers, even if it is New York.--'''[[User:WaltCip|WaltCip]]'''-''<small>([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]])</small>'' 17:01, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Describing the governor of the fourth most populous state in the US as a "local politician" rather downplays the significance of this story. It has received international coverage, as Masem notes - it's on the front page of bbc.co.uk.-- [[User:Pawnkingthree|Pawnkingthree]] ([[User talk:Pawnkingthree|talk]]) 17:06, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Good riddance, but ultimately local/regional news, even if the locale/region is itself important. I would say the same thing about the California recall business, regardless of its outcome. &nbsp;–&nbsp;[[User:John M Wolfson|John M Wolfson]]&nbsp;([[User talk:John M Wolfson|talk]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/John M Wolfson|contribs]]) 17:08, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. He will be replaced by another Democrat, the state legislature hasn't changed, and there is another election in a year which he probably wouldn't have run in. The actual impact here is minimal. Resigning from Congress has more of a ripple effect, and we still don't post those. [[User:Nohomersryan|Nohomersryan]] ([[User talk:Nohomersryan|talk]]) 17:09, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' local politician resigns after being a dick.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 17:12, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per longstanding consensus that we eschew sub-national political news in all but the rarest cases. This is a run of the mill scandal that brought down a prominent state governor. Big deal. Are we going to start posting provincial scandals with regularity? If not, then I see no reason for this beyond the usual US centric bias. -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 17:36, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Question''' It seems that we routinely reject state political news as being too local/parochial, and not of interest to the world as a whole. But perhaps the fact that it is featured on dewiki means that people around the world ''do'' care about what's going on in the US, and we shouldn't have a knee-jerk [[WP:RGW]] reaction whenever state news is nominated? -- [[User:King of Hearts|<b style="color:red">King of ♥</b>]][[User talk:King of Hearts|<b style="color:red"> ♦</b>]][[Special:Contributions/King of Hearts|<b style="color:black"> ♣</b>]][[Special:EmailUser/King of Hearts|<b style="color:black"> ♠</b>]] 17:38, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
**I believe the answer to that (which I personally agree with to an extent) is that we are here to post stuff that's in the news <em>and encyclopedic</em>; that's why we'll likely post the ISS docking when it happens and not the Bezos-Branson flights even though the latter were far more in the news. Cuomo's fall might be in the news right now but is neither completely unprecedented nor will it likely have any lasting impact; furthermore, if we start doing US subnational politics we'll probably have to start doing the subnational politics of other countries like China and India, which would be a mess. Also, this isn't the first time enwiki has chosen to be more selective than our peers; we refused to post a country's censorship of Wikipedia even though frwiki(?) and a couple of other sister projects did. &nbsp;–&nbsp;[[User:John M Wolfson|John M Wolfson]]&nbsp;([[User talk:John M Wolfson|talk]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/John M Wolfson|contribs]]) 17:56, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. Relatively minor in the grand scheme of things. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 17:50, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per nominator Masem and Pawnkingthree. [[User:Jusdafax|Jusdafax]] ([[User talk:Jusdafax|talk]]) 17:57, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' There could be the argument than unlike other "regional politician does scummy thing" stories, Cuomo has some international prominence. But that only flies if what he is doing is equally remarkable compared to lesser peers. Unless it brings major political downfall, sexual harassment stories are nothingburgers, and I'm pretty sure even then, the downfall is the story. Resigning as NY governor isn't such a downfall IMO. [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 18:20, 10 August 2021 (UTC) Let's put it this way: when Boris Johnson inevitably resigns due to sex scandal, I will oppose posting that. His replacement as PM will, as ITN/R, probably be posted. So I'd certainly oppose <s>Nicola Sturgeon</s> ''[[Omar Prieto]]'' doing it. It's basically celebrity gossip. [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 23:08, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. I don't think this rises to the level of prominence needed to post a subnational leader's job status. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 18:26, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' in principle (despite being subnational this is an abnormally prominent news story), but recommend waiting until the guy actually resigns in two weeks. [[User:Osunpokeh|osunpokeh]] ([[User talk:Osunpokeh|talk]]) 18:46, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Local news, no international significance [[User:Abcmaxx|Abcmaxx]] ([[User talk:Abcmaxx|talk]]) 18:57, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
:{{u|Abcmaxx}} International significance is not required, if it were, very little would be posted. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 19:11, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Question''' I'm wondering where the guidelines stipulate "international significance" and what the significance is of a Belarusian sprinter fleeing to Poland --[[User:LaserLegs|LaserLegs]] ([[User talk:LaserLegs|talk]]) 19:01, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
*:Ms. [[Krystsina Tsimanouskaya|Tsimanouskaya]] has become an international [https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/poster%20child poster child(2)] for political struggle against Eastern Europe's last repressive autocratic regime. – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 19:22, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
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**:There is [[Wikipedia:In the news#Significance|a whole section]] of the criteria for "significance", which is generally held to mean international (or at least non-parochial) significance. As for the Tsimanouskaya business, it is internationally significant in that it shows the antics of the Lukashenko regime during the Olympics; although New York is (probably the City alone, definitely the State) more objectively important than the entirety of Belarus, subnational entities are held to a boatload-higher standards if their stories are to be posted at all. Allowing subnational politics on ITN opens the door to potentially thousands of gubernatorial and mayoral elections being nominated, which even if shot down would be a timesink for ITN participants, and it's almost guaranteed that there will be a US/UK bias in such nominations that would exacerbate pre-existing systemic biases. &nbsp;–&nbsp;[[User:John M Wolfson|John M Wolfson]]&nbsp;([[User talk:John M Wolfson|talk]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/John M Wolfson|contribs]]) 19:14, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
***: So I looked into that section. It lists as an argument which is ''not helpful'' "Arguments addressing how many international newspapers/news channels are or are not covering the story". We have a whole "Please do not" above stating "oppose an item because the event is only relating to a single country" so in fact it seems that not only is there no "international significance" requirement but it's actively discouraged and oppose !votes based on that criteria should be ignored. In fact, evaluating consensus in that way I'm considering marking this as ready. --[[User:LaserLegs|LaserLegs]] ([[User talk:LaserLegs|talk]]) 20:24, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
****: This isn't even affecting the whole United States, it's affecting just a single state, and fairly strong historic precedent has been to not post subnational politics. Since none of this counts as Wikipedia policy or even guideline, !votes cannot generally be discarded and pure numbers matter quite a bit more here than at stuff like AfD; given that the opposes outnumber the supports almost 2:1, no admin in his/her/etc. right mind would post this at the moment. You can mark it if you'd like, just know that the tag will be quickly removed. &nbsp;–&nbsp;[[User:John M Wolfson|John M Wolfson]]&nbsp;([[User talk:John M Wolfson|talk]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/John M Wolfson|contribs]]) 20:32, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' – Parochial politix. Lacks general significance. Suggest '''close'''. – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 19:25, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
::''PS:'' Sexual harassment in the workplace is nothing new. – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 19:27, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' -- I feel like semi-sovereign states (such as US states, or Canadian provinces) should be treated differently than unitary local Governments. Therefore, I '''Support''' this nom. -- [[User:Rockstone35|<span style="color:#DF0101"><b>Rockstone</b></span>]][[User talk:Rockstone35|<span style="color:0000ff;font-size:8px"><small><sup><b>[Send me a message!]</b></sup></small></span>]] 19:48, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
:*Huh? Many other countries' top-level regional divisions are <s>much more</s> ''just as'' autonomous than US states and Canadian provinces. <s>The UK is literally four distinct countries. India, Spain, Belgium, Switzerland, Italy and to an extent France and Germany, have state-equivalents that are so different they have their own languages. Australia's are separated by a giant desert.</s> Do you want to get noms every time Sardinia's leadership screws up? [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 21:01, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
::*That's it... [[User:Alsoriano97|_-_Alsoriano97]] ([[User talk:Alsoriano97|talk]]) 21:11, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
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::*Lol, no. The countries in the UK are not even sovereign like US state are. -- [[User:Rockstone35|<span style="color:#DF0101"><b>Rockstone</b></span>]][[User talk:Rockstone35|<span style="color:0000ff;font-size:8px"><small><sup><b>[Send me a message!]</b></sup></small></span>]] 21:26, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
:::*How does one determine if a sub-national location is "semi-sovereign" versus "unitary local government"?  And '''how''' are the countries of the UK different (and "less sovereign") than a US state? [[User:Chrisclear|Chrisclear]] ([[User talk:Chrisclear|talk]]) 21:36, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
::::* Simple -- can the powers given to the sub-national location be taken away by a simple act of the national legislature? If so, it's a unitary government. If not, it's semi-sovereign. --[[User:Rockstone35|<span style="color:#DF0101"><b>Rockstone</b></span>]][[User talk:Rockstone35|<span style="color:0000ff;font-size:8px"><small><sup><b>[Send me a message!]</b></sup></small></span>]] 21:38, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
:::::*{{re|Rockstone}} This explains so much about your thinking. I've never seen "federated" described as "semi-sovereign". If that's "official" in any capacity, please show me. And no, of course I re-read the federated states page and I can't see it. [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 22:41, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
::::::*The phrase "semi-sovereign" apparently is not an official phrase -- I am not sure where I came up with that or if I invented it out of whole cloth.. That being said, [[Political_divisions_of_the_United_States#States]] describes the dual sovereignty concept of US states and the federal government, and indeed the Federal Government's powers are heavily limited compared to other federations. [https://scholarship.law.wm.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=&httpsredir=1&article=1295&context=facpubs This] article may be an interesting read on the matter, as [https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution-conan/amendment-11/state-sovereign-immunity this] might also. It even extends to our judicial systems -- each State has its own laws and criminal justice system, and decisions in one state's court has no bearing in another state's. -- [[User:Rockstone35|<span style="color:#DF0101"><b>Rockstone</b></span>]][[User talk:Rockstone35|<span style="color:0000ff;font-size:8px"><small><sup><b>[Send me a message!]</b></sup></small></span>]] 23:01, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
:::::::*I assume (hope?) you're not kid-splaining to me, since my understanding is most people on earth have inadvertently had to learn about the US State vs Federal system thanks to the omnipotence of American culture (and I've been saved more than once by [[Legality of cannabis by U.S. jurisdiction|state law]]), but this is nothing I didn't know and IMO no more "sovereign" than any other federation. (Can I interest you in [[Scots law]], though ;?) Maybe the specifics give more power to the States than in other federations, I don't know every country inside out, but the system is no different than (what it should be but de facto isn't) in Venezuela. [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 23:21, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
:::*Dude no. [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 21:33, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
::::*No, what? They are not sovereign, that's a simple fact. You can make an argument that they are culturally more distinct than individual states, but you can't argue that they are sovereign. All the powers the countries of the UK have are granted by the Government of the United Kingdom and could be taken away by simple vote in the UK's parliament. The UK is considered a unitary government.  -- [[User:Rockstone35|<span style="color:#DF0101"><b>Rockstone</b></span>]][[User talk:Rockstone35|<span style="color:0000ff;font-size:8px"><small><sup><b>[Send me a message!]</b></sup></small></span>]] 21:36, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
:::::*I wasn't saying they're sovereign, I'm saying that 1. US states are definitely ''not'' [[sovereign state]]s, and much further from being so than various European subdivisions. 2. many if not most countries in the world have top-level regional subdivisions that are equivalent to the US and Canada, so your argument made no sense. I deal with Venezuelan topics a lot, which has an identical system to the US, and dear god you do not want nominations in here every time someone screws up there. The point was that if we give more leeway to ''federated'' states, it's not exclusive at all. 3. more off-topic, but you asked. ''In practice'', there are many nations whose regional subdivisions are much more distinct from their central government than the US. They are less like nations with subdivisions (which is how I would describe the US), and more like lots of regions that have been stuck together. (Yes, this is especially true in western Europe where borders have been redrawn many times over the last century and so regional identity and politics seem adamant to prevail.) While, in the UK example, London could un-devolve, and Washington cannot do that in the US, California and New York are far more similar than Kent and Orkney. The practical relationship of the UK countries is more like the US with Puerto Rico, because of devolution. And until Alaska competes in the Olympics with Canada, or Florida with Cuba, you can't say the US's federated states are more autonomous than Northern Ireland at least. [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 22:00, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
::::::* 1. The US states '''are''' sovereign states. Not fully sovereign, but they are sovereign. You're wrong regarding US states being "subdivisions" and your understanding is flawed. Each state is politically independent of one another. Kent and Orkney could disappear by act of parliament in the United Kingdom; the US Congress could not get rid of California or New York. If you mean that they are more alike culturally, you are correct, but that doesn't mean they're any less sovereign. Northern Ireland is only autonomous because the United Kingdom gives it that power. The UK Parliament could decide to ignore NI parliament's decisions or destroy their autonomy at any time. That's what makes a political division sovereign or not. But we are getting off-topic.  -- [[User:Rockstone35|<span style="color:#DF0101"><b>Rockstone</b></span>]][[User talk:Rockstone35|<span style="color:0000ff;font-size:8px"><small><sup><b>[Send me a message!]</b></sup></small></span>]] 22:06, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
::::::* 2. That's not true at all. See [[Federation]] -- about half of the countries of the world are unitary, and half are federated. And also see "The difference between a federation and this kind of unitary state is that in a unitary state the autonomous status of self-governing regions exists by the sufferance of the central government, and may be unilaterally revoked." -- [[User:Rockstone35|<span style="color:#DF0101"><b>Rockstone</b></span>]][[User talk:Rockstone35|<span style="color:0000ff;font-size:8px"><small><sup><b>[Send me a message!]</b></sup></small></span>]] 22:07, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
:::::::*{{tq|The US states '''are''' sovereign states. Not fully sovereign, but they are sovereign.}} Since sovereignty is an absolute by definition, part-sovereign is ''not'' sovereign. That's the bottom line. A federated state will have sovereignty-you-mean-autonomy within its federation, but is not a sovereign state. {{tq|That's not true at all. See [[Federation]] -- about half of the countries of the world are unitary}} - I said "many", did you want me to specify "about half"? Fine. Doesn't change the damn point, does it? Back to that: I made a point, and you definition-debated us to off-topic territory instead of accepting it. As you point out, "about half" of the world is made up of subdivisions of equal autonomy to New York. Ping me to support when you nominate all their screw-ups. [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 22:24, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
::::*In all fairness, the <em>governments</em> of all those countries (especially India) are quite more centralized than the US, which is still probably the most decentralized country on Earth (excepting maybe the UAE or Switzerland) in terms of political power. Marriages and criminal justice, for example, are a federal matter in Canada and IIRC India, but are state issues in the US; devolution in the UK can be unilaterally revoked by Westminster but not federalism by Washington. However, that doesn't apply to culture, which is still fairly homogeneous in the US even with the north-south and blue-red divides. &nbsp;–&nbsp;[[User:John M Wolfson|John M Wolfson]]&nbsp;([[User talk:John M Wolfson|talk]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/John M Wolfson|contribs]]) 21:43, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
:::::*{{re|John M Wolfson}} Shhh. But yeah, my first instinct was to compare with Venezuela which has the exact system of the US, but then I couldn't remember if I'd ever nominated a comparable state-level Venezuela item and didn't want to risk the hypocrisy. I will say when I learned Spain is unitary I was very surprised. [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 22:57, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
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*'''Oppose''' local news. [[User:Banedon|Banedon]] ([[User talk:Banedon|talk]]) 20:41, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
::{{u|Banedon}}, [[#Please do not...]] {{tq|oppose an item because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one. This applies to a high percentage of the content we post and is unproductive.}} You've been told this over and over. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 20:55, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
:::{{u|Muboshgu}} Why are you telling me this instead of all the other people above who are opposing because it's local news? Citing the "please do not" is also silly becaues it just encourages people to switch to the effectively-equivalent-but-not-complained-about "doesn't see enough global news coverage". Besides, "local news" does not mean it relates to a single country, because in this case it relates to a single ''state'' in a country with fifty of them. [[User:Banedon|Banedon]] ([[User talk:Banedon|talk]]) 21:09, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' He was the mayor of the most important city in the world. I support this and so should everyone [[Special:Contributions/212.74.201.233|212.74.201.233]] ([[User talk:212.74.201.233|talk]]) 21:15, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
**You're referring to de Blasio; Cuomo was (is, for the next two weeks) the governor. Whether we would blurb the death of [[Rudy Giuliani]] is one thing, but subnational politics has no place on here and I'm surprised that this discussion has gone on for so long. &nbsp;–&nbsp;[[User:John M Wolfson|John M Wolfson]]&nbsp;([[User talk:John M Wolfson|talk]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/John M Wolfson|contribs]]) 21:25, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
:::<small>In this hypothetical, how's Giuliani dying? [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 21:35, 10 August 2021 (UTC)</small>
::::<small>Peacefully in his sleep surrounded by family members. I was talking about the "autoblurbs" that former POTUSes and UKPMs get, whether that applies to mayors of huge cities; I don't recall whether we blurbed [[David Dinkins]]. Or you could imagine he has a glorious suicide on the 9/11 anniversary if that's what you'd prefer. &nbsp;–&nbsp;[[User:John M Wolfson|John M Wolfson]]&nbsp;([[User talk:John M Wolfson|talk]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/John M Wolfson|contribs]]) 21:47, 10 August 2021 (UTC)</small> 
:::::<small>I'd only blurb it if it involved flamingos somehow. [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 22:41, 10 August 2021 (UTC)</small>
:*{{ec}} Well, he wasn't. Not that it's a good reason to post. [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 21:27, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
* '''Oppose''' local politics story. I wouldn't support a similar item about the resignation of the Chief Minister of Chhattisgarh, whose population is higher than that of New York, so I don't see a good reason to support this nomination. [[User:Chrisclear|Chrisclear]] ([[User talk:Chrisclear|talk]]) 21:31, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
::Pointed then that you would phrase it that way, as clearly you accept that New York State is substantially more significant than Chhattisgarh. ''<small>[[User_talk:GreatCaesarsGhost|<span style="color:#938f8d">GreatCaesarsGhost</span>]]</small>'' 22:02, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Cuomo resignation cannot be posted until his resignation takes effect. It is more like [[WP:CRYSTAL]] for me because we cannot predict the event and unexpected event can be happened. [[Special:Contributions/36.69.55.6|36.69.55.6]] ([[User talk:36.69.55.6|talk]]) 21:50, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Seems to lack any real significance beyond Cuomo himself. This isn't really going to weigh on the lives of New Yorkers, or change the course of government in the state. ''<small>[[User_talk:GreatCaesarsGhost|<span style="color:#938f8d">GreatCaesarsGhost</span>]]</small>'' 22:02, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' This should be closed now. The result is more than evident and it's dragging on too long, giving rise to unnecessary debates. [[User:Alsoriano97|_-_Alsoriano97]] ([[User talk:Alsoriano97|talk]]) 22:23, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
*:Indeed. Marked needs attn. <small>(And BTW, U.S. states aren't sovereign in the normal sense of the term.)</small> – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 22:29, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
::* I have to say that I totally agree with you on that issue.  [[User:Alsoriano97|_-_Alsoriano97]] ([[User talk:Alsoriano97|talk]]) 22:36, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
:*You mean fun debates, right? ;) <small>I feel like I should set up a sub-talkpage to reroute them, but could I make it semi-sovereign, you know?</small> [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 22:41, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
::*Well...it's a good idea as long as you keep an eye out for movements that demand full sovereignty and mess things up!. [[User:Alsoriano97|_-_Alsoriano97]] ([[User talk:Alsoriano97|talk]]) 23:04, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
* '''Oppose''' Domestic event + sexual harassment in the workplace (which sadly isn't new) . --[[User:TDKR Chicago 101|TDKR Chicago 101]] ([[User talk:TDKR Chicago 101|talk]]) 23:31, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''', as others have said political resignations are quite common, and at the sub-national level they carry very little weight. There's nothing particularly special about Cuomo's troubles anyway.<br>'''[[User:5225C|5225<sub>C</sub>]]''' ([[User_talk:5225C|talk]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/5225C|contributions]]) 23:33, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
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==== (Posted) RD: Naga Thein Hlaing ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Naga Thein Hlaing
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.bbc.com/burmese/live/burma-58072010?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=611201ed40aabc52f0d1ab91%26%E1%80%86%E1%80%9B%E1%80%AC%E1%80%9D%E1%80%94%E1%80%BA%E1%80%80%E1%80%BC%E1%80%AE%E1%80%B8%20%E1%80%92%E1%80%B1%E1%80%AB%E1%80%80%E1%80%BA%E1%80%90%E1%80%AC%E1%80%94%E1%80%AC%E1%80%82%E1%80%9E%E1%80%AD%E1%80%94%E1%80%BA%E1%80%B8%E1%80%9C%E1%80%BE%E1%80%AD%E1%80%AF%E1%80%84%E1%80%BA%20%E1%80%80%E1%80%BD%E1%80%9A%E1%80%BA%E1%80%9C%E1%80%BD%E1%80%94%E1%80%BA%262021-08-10T04%3A35%3A07.230Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:8e1fb15b-af64-41b4-a9e3-12f65e161be3&pinned_post_asset_id=611201ed40aabc52f0d1ab91&pinned_post_type=share BBC Burmese], [https://www.rfa.org/burmese/news/dr-thein-hlaing-passed-away-08102021030226.html RFA Burmese], [https://burmese.voanews.com/a/myanmar-military-leader--general-minaunghlaing-on-vaccine/5997246.html VOA Burmese]
| updated       = yes
| nominator     = Htanaungg <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas --> Htanaungg
| nom cmt       = 
| sign          = [[User:Htanaungg|Htanaungg]] ([[User talk:Htanaungg|talk]]) 13:40, 10 August 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
* '''Oppose''' Just a non-notable surgeon who did some non-notable stuff. [[User:Pyramids09|Pyramids09]] ([[User talk:Pyramids09|talk]]) 21:12, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
*:{{u|Pyramids09}}, per the small print in the box above, anyone with an existing article is considered notable for Recent Deaths (RD) we should only discuss if the quality of the article is sufficient for it to be posted on the main page [[User:Joseywales1961|<span style="color:green">''JW 1961''</span>]]<sup> [[User talk:Joseywales1961|<span style="color:#0000CD">''Talk''</span>]]</sup> 21:23, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
:::He didn't have an existing article - it was created today. It's perfectly reasonable to question notability in that case (though the lack of a prior article is not itself a reason to question notability). ''<small>[[User_talk:GreatCaesarsGhost|<span style="color:#938f8d">GreatCaesarsGhost</span>]]</small>'' 21:53, 10 August 2021 (UTC) 
::::The citing sources in the article are from BBC, VOA, RFA, [[The Irrawaddy]], and [[The Myanmar Times]]; I have no idea why you are talking about the notability. It clearly passes GNG. [[User:Htanaungg|Htanaungg]] ([[User talk:Htanaungg|talk]]) 05:44, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
:::::A non-Burmese speaker would, upon review the article and its citations, be unable to verify notability for themselves. I don't know that the citing sources are about the target or address him in a non-trivial way. Please note I'm neither opposing nor nominating the article for deletion, merely suggesting it's appropriate to have those discussions here. ''<small>[[User_talk:GreatCaesarsGhost|<span style="color:#938f8d">GreatCaesarsGhost</span>]]</small>'' 11:06, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
* '''Support''' Just about long enough for RD, but it has plenty of sources of which I could only check 2 (in English), AGF on the Burmese sources [[User:Joseywales1961|<span style="color:green">''JW 1961''</span>]]<sup> [[User talk:Joseywales1961|<span style="color:#0000CD">''Talk''</span>]]</sup> 21:26, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
* The article does not seem to indicate why this person is notable, and I'm unable to verify if the coverage cited passes [[WP:GNG]]. Perhaps the OP could advise on this?   ''<small>[[User_talk:GreatCaesarsGhost|<span style="color:#938f8d">GreatCaesarsGhost</span>]]</small>'' 21:53, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
*::{{u|GreatCaesarsGhost}} I'm so pity you 😢. [[User:Taung Tan|Taung Tan]] ([[User talk:Taung Tan|talk]]) 05:34, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
::::You pity me for not speaking Burmese? Uh, okay. ''<small>[[User_talk:GreatCaesarsGhost|<span style="color:#938f8d">GreatCaesarsGhost</span>]]</small>'' 11:06, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
* '''Support''' He has been regarded as the "god of Nagaland" per [https://www.bbc.com/burmese/live/burma-58072010 BBC source]. A highly respected surgeon of the nation. How much do you need? [[User:Taung Tan|Taung Tan]] ([[User talk:Taung Tan|talk]]) 05:27, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
*:<small>$500,000 and a Lamborghini would be a start. I shan't be too lavish.</small> '''[[User:WaltCip|WaltCip]]'''-''<small>([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]])</small>'' 12:43, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - article seems to meet requirements assuming the refs which appear to be mostly in Burmese are reliable sources. - [[User:Indefensible|Indefensible]] ([[User talk:Indefensible|talk]]) 20:17, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
* '''Support''' Looks good to go. [[User:Hanamanteo|Hanamanteo]] ([[User talk:Hanamanteo|talk]]) 09:38, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
* '''Support''' Article is well-cited and more than a stub. 504 words per DYK tool. That's to say, it is fine for ITN/RD. ─ [[User:TheAafi|<span style="color:SteelBlue">The Aafī</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:TheAafi|<span style="color:#80A0FF"><sup>(talk)</sup></span>]]</sup> 12:29, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
* '''Posted''' AGFing non-English refs. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 23:39, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

====(Closed) Ongoing: Climate Change ====
{{archive top|result=SNOW close. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082529">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T•</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">C</span>]]</sup> 03:04, 10 August 2021 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Climate change
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = add
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [https://apnews.com/article/asia-pacific-latin-america-middle-east-africa-europe-1d89d5183583718ad4ad311fa2ee7d83 Associated Press], [https://www.reuters.com/business/environment/un-sounds-clarion-call-over-irreversible-climate-impacts-by-humans-2021-08-09/ Reuters], [https://www.theguardian.com/science/2021/aug/09/humans-have-caused-unprecedented-and-irreversible-change-to-climate-scientists-warn The Guardian],  [https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/09/climate/climate-change-report-ipcc-un.html The New York Times], [https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-58130705 BBC], [https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-10/ipcc-report-shows-earth-heating-coalition-time-to-act/100363518 ABC]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = JMonkey2006 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator       = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt       = In light of the IPCC Report and the numerous disasters worldwide which have been attributed to climate change, I think it is time that we finally put Climate Change into the Ongoing section. For years, the science has been clear: climate change is already happening. Like the COVID-19 pandemic, this is an ongoing crisis.
| sign          = [[User:JMonkey2006|JMonkey2006]] ([[User talk:JMonkey2006|talk]]) 01:01, 10 August 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Oppose''' Covered by Blurb. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 01:11, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' once the blurb rolls off. Climate change certainly is ongoing, is regularly in the news, and the target article (or one of the myriad of "sub-articles") is getting regular updates. Seems to tick the boxes. --[[User:LaserLegs|LaserLegs]] ([[User talk:LaserLegs|talk]]) 01:26, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
::[[2021 in climate change]]? [[User:Sagittarian Milky Way|Sagittarian Milky Way]] ([[User talk:Sagittarian Milky Way|talk]]) 01:41, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
::Say goodbye to all standalone natural disaster blurbs, if and while you guys win, excepting possibly earthquakes. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 01:57, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' covered by blurb, and interest will roll off right around when the blurb will as well. Indeed, this very nomination initially struck me as ridiculous; climate change has been going on, and will continue to go on, for a century, and we don't post uber-chronic crises like the inexorably rising entropy leading to the [[heat death of the universe]] even though that is also of note. &nbsp;–&nbsp;[[User:John M Wolfson|John M Wolfson]]&nbsp;([[User talk:John M Wolfson|talk]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/John M Wolfson|contribs]]) 01:37, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
*:More like 4.6 billion years. - '''[[User:Floydian|<span style="color: #0051BA;">Floydian</span>]]'''&nbsp;<sup>[[User_talk:Floydian|<span style="color: #3AAA3A;">τ</span>]]</sup> <sub>[[Special:Contributions/Floydian|<span style="color: #3AAA3A;">¢</span>]]</sub> 02:04, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
*::Not even counting the mystery winds that blew us together in the first place, whenever the hell ''they'' started picking up... [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 02:18, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Unlike COVID which there was clear, active worldwide participation to fight it on a daily basis, warnings about climate change have rung for years with little momentum to make them an ''everyday'' ITN topic, which is what ongoing is meant for.  --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 02:22, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' The blurb is already covered. [[Special:Contributions/36.69.55.6|36.69.55.6]] ([[User talk:36.69.55.6|talk]]) 02:38, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' this would be like adding [[Expansion of the universe]] to ongoing. It's certainly ongoing, but it's not something that makes the news every day, and any actions taken would only have delayed impact. [[User:Banedon|Banedon]] ([[User talk:Banedon|talk]]) 02:42, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
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== August 9 ==
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==== RD: Cameron Burrell ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Cameron Burrell
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.houstonchronicle.com/texas-sports-nation/college/article/Cameron-Burrell-Houston-Cougars-track-dies-at-26-16377375.php Houston Chronicle]
| updated       = no <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = FlyingAce <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt       = American athlete. No cause of death given yet.
| sign          = –[[User:FlyingAce|FlyingAce]]<sup>[[User talk:FlyingAce|✈hello]]</sup> 20:54, 10 August 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Comments:''' Several unreferenced paragraphs. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082529">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T•</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">C</span>]]</sup> 15:33, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Comments''': I've added a few refs and tagged a few sentences with {cn}. I find it a little odd that there is no mention of his long jumping. His [https://uhcougars.com/sports/track-and-field/roster/cameron-burrell/2147 profile at UH Track & Field] has more materials to prosify and add to his wikibio, if anyone is interested in improving the coverage there. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 15:26, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

==== (Posted) RD: Rand Araskog ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Rand Araskog
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.wsj.com/articles/rand-araskog-ceo-who-dismantled-itt-has-died-at-age-89-11628560402 WSJ] 
| updated       = No
| nominator     = Ktin <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt       = American businessperson. <s>Article is currently a stub and will need significant work before it is ready for homepage / RD. I will get to it. In case someone wants to go for it before me, please feel free to do so. Thanks.</s> Edits done. Article meets hygiene expectations for homepage / RD. [[User:Ktin|Ktin]] ([[User talk:Ktin|talk]]) 03:13, 11 August 2021 (UTC) 
| sign          = [[User:Ktin|Ktin]] ([[User talk:Ktin|talk]]) 19:17, 10 August 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Comment:''' Close, but needs some copyediting (and perhaps some additional detail if available). Phrases like "He spent the early years building the group's telecom business and developed the System 12 a digital routing and switching solution for telecom companies" seem promotional (what exactly is a "solution for telecom companies"? The link also leads to a disambiguation page). "Dismantling the conglomerate from multiple businesses" is also a little unclear-- were various entities sold? Spun off as separate companies? "Dismantling" seems to parrot from the WSJ obit title without explaining what this actually means. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082529">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T•</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">C</span>]]</sup> 13:32, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
*:Fixed dismantling. Substituted it with divesting, which is it what it really was. Eg. Sheraton Hotels sold to Starwood Hotels and Resorts. Fixed the disambiguation for System 12 - a telephone exchange system. Hopefully not too promotional. If there are any additional edits that are required, I can get to it later tonight.[[User:Ktin|Ktin]] ([[User talk:Ktin|talk]]) 15:41, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
*::'''Support'''. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082529">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T•</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">C</span>]]</sup> 19:10, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
*{{re|Ktin}} do you have the link to the Bloomberg ref? Seems broken on the article. - [[User:Indefensible|Indefensible]] ([[User talk:Indefensible|talk]]) 20:27, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
*:Will check this evening. Cheers. [[User:Ktin|Ktin]] ([[User talk:Ktin|talk]]) 23:55, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
*::Done. Replaced the Bloomberg link with a different one. For some reason it was pointing to a robots page. Thanks for the catch. [[User:Ktin|Ktin]] ([[User talk:Ktin|talk]]) 00:29, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
* Better refs are needed for info on his father, ITT's problems with politicians, and his various awards (French Légion d'Honneur, Order of Merit of the Italian Republic, Order of Bernardo O'Higgins, ...) Perhaps these sentences should be removed if better refs are unavailable. Thanks. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 23:07, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
*:Hi PFHLai. Many thanks. All of the information on father and ITT international relations are from the WSJ obituary. The awards were pointing to a deadlink which I restored from archive.org Hope that's good. Cheers. [[User:Ktin|Ktin]] ([[User talk:Ktin|talk]]) 00:28, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - article seems to meet requirements. - [[User:Indefensible|Indefensible]] ([[User talk:Indefensible|talk]]) 02:30, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Posted'''. Thanks for the new footnotes. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 12:09, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

==== (Posted) RD: Lester Bird ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Lester Bird
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://newsday.co.tt/2021/08/10/former-antigua-barbuda-pm-sir-lester-bird-dies-at-83-2/]
| updated       = yes
| nominator     = LukeSurl <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = Pachu Kannan , Mohamad Darilin <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt       = Former Prime Minister of Antigua and Barbuda
| sign          = [[User:LukeSurl|LukeSurl]]<sup>&nbsp;[[User Talk:LukeSurl|t]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/LukeSurl|c]]</sup> 12:05, 10 August 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Support''' Political career section could possibly use a sub-header or two but otherwise has appropriate depth of coverage and is referenced. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082529">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T•</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">C</span>]]</sup> 12:11, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
* '''Posted''' --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 23:03, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

==== (Posted) RD: Olivia Podmore ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Olivia Podmore
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/olympics/300378726/olympian-cyclist-olivia-podmores-family-mourn-her-sudden-death Stuff], [https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/kiwi-olympian-cyclist-olivia-podmore-dies-aged-24/YQSZCDQYGMPAB7BXWDMMFUBXYU/ NZ Herald]]
| updated       = y
| nominator     = Joseph2302 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = Joseph2302, Lcmortensen , MurielMary
| nom cmt       = Needs a bit more expansion
| sign          = [[User:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b>]][[User talk:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#000000">2302</b>]] ([[User talk:Joseph2302|talk]]) 10:00, 10 August 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Support''' per all the expansion work that has been done today. '''[[User:Lugnuts|<font color="002bb8">Lugnuts</font>]]''' <sup>[[User talk:Lugnuts|Fire Walk with Me]]</sup> 19:58, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 10:58, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

==== RD: Bob Jenkins ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Bob Jenkins
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/motor/indy-500/2021/08/09/bob-jenkins-iconic-voice-indy-500-dies-after-battle-cancer/5125722001/?fbclid=IwAR1LQhZYS1s90PhmwtEnlrykBkaZBkVGkV4-9_Udx-1JiuD4ritr6hvm9IU IndyStar]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Rawmustard <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt       = IndyCar and NASCAR lap-by-lap announcer. There's several things needing citations.
| sign          = [[User:Rawmustard|rawmustard]] ([[User talk:Rawmustard|talk]]) 22:15, 9 August 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
* '''Oppose''' a huge portion of the article is uncited. Well if that is addressed.... ─ [[User:TheAafi|<span style="color:SteelBlue">The Aafī</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:TheAafi|<span style="color:#80A0FF"><sup>(talk)</sup></span>]]</sup> 15:58, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
* More refs are needed, please. Quite a few paragraphs are footnote-less. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 15:10, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

==== (Posted) IPCC say global warming can be stopped ====
{{atop|The blurb is staying up essentially as is. Any further discussion on "the matter" should go to the Ongoing proposal. &nbsp;–&nbsp;[[User:John M Wolfson|John M Wolfson]]&nbsp;([[User talk:John M Wolfson|talk]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/John M Wolfson|contribs]]) 02:10, 10 August 2021 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
|article=IPCC Sixth Assessment Report
|blurb=The '''[[IPCC Sixth Assessment Report]]''' says that, if [[greenhouse gas emissions]] are halved by 2030 and net zero by 2050, [[global warming]] can be stopped.
|altblurb=The '''[[IPCC Sixth Assessment Report]]''' says that if immediate action is taken to halve [[greenhouse gas emissions]] by 2030 and achieve net zero by 2050, [[climate change]] can be halted.
|altblurb2=The [[Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change]] releases the first part of their '''[[IPCC Sixth Assessment Report|Sixth Assessment Report]]''', arguing that [[greenhouse gas emissions]] must be halved by 2030.
| sources       = [https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-58130705 BBC], [https://apnews.com/article/europe-science-climate-environment-and-nature-united-nations-1d89d5183583718ad4ad311fa2ee7d83 AP], [https://www.reuters.com/business/environment/un-sounds-clarion-call-over-irreversible-climate-impacts-by-humans-2021-08-09/ Reuters], [https://www.dpa-international.com/topic/landmark-un-climate-crisis-report-delivers-code-red-humanity-urn%3Anewsml%3Adpa.com%3A20090101%3A210809-99-777752 dpa], [https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2021/08/09/ipcc-climate-report-global-warming-greenhouse-gas-effect/ WaPo], [https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2021-08-09/un-report-climate-change-global-warming-unprecedented-code-red LA Times], [https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/09/climate/climate-change-report-ipcc-un.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage NYT]
|altblurb3=The [[Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change]] releases the first part of their '''[[IPCC Sixth Assessment Report|Sixth Assessment Report]]''', saying that quickly cutting [[methane emissions]] would help [[climate change mitigation|limit climate change]].
| sources3       = [https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2021/08/09/the-ipcc-delivers-its-starkest-warning-about-the-worlds-climate Economist]
|altblurb4=The [[Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change]] releases the first part of their '''[[IPCC Sixth Assessment Report|Sixth Assessment Report]]''', saying that the world is at its hottest for <s>125 thousand</s> 125,000 years.
|altblurb5=The [[Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change]] releases the first part of their '''[[IPCC Sixth Assessment Report|Sixth Assessment Report]]''', saying that the world is at its hottest for <s>125 thousand</s> 125,000 years, but that we can stop [[global warming]].
|altblurb6=The '''[[IPCC Sixth Assessment Report]]''' finds that [[global warming]] can stop intensifying at x°C if net [[greenhouse gas emissions]] are halved by 2030 and reach zero by 2050.
| sources4       = [https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02179-1 Nature]
| sources5       = [https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02179-1 Nature]
| updated       = yes
| nominator = Chidgk1
}}
*'''Comment'''.  Without actually opposing this, this is just a report detailing a possible outcome if certain things occur; sounds like a lot of [[WP:CRYSTAL]] to me. Lots of groups have predictions or projections related to climate change, why should this one be given more weight? [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 08:55, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
::good question - answer is because it is a consensus and has been approved by governments [[User:Chidgk1|Chidgk1]] ([[User talk:Chidgk1|talk]]) 09:33, 9 August 2021 (UTC) 
:::Governments do not have to approve UN reports; this is a consensus of those writing the report. There are many reports and predictions out there. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 09:40, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
::::You are right there are many reports - but for climate change the IPCC ones are by far the most important. The governments approve [[IPCC Summary for Policymakers|the summary]] of each report. [[User:Chidgk1|Chidgk1]] ([[User talk:Chidgk1|talk]]) 10:24, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
:::::{{u|331dot}} now that alternative blurbs have been suggested which are not projections can you support any of them? [[User:Chidgk1|Chidgk1]] ([[User talk:Chidgk1|talk]]) 14:12, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Weak Oppose''' looks more like a [[WP:CRYSTAL]] prediction for me, which the event either can be happen or not happen. [[Special:Contributions/36.69.55.6|36.69.55.6]] ([[User talk:36.69.55.6|talk]]) 09:01, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
::I am sure there are lots of possible blurbs - I just fancied an optimistic one - please suggest alt blurbs - thanks [[User:Chidgk1|Chidgk1]] ([[User talk:Chidgk1|talk]]) 09:31, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
::It's [[scientific consensus on climate change|going to happen]]. '''[[User:WaltCip|WaltCip]]'''-''<small>([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]])</small>'' 10:42, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Strong support''' - this is a major report, already top of news broadcasts in Europe (understandable, perhaps, given [[2021 Turkish wildfires|Wildfires in southern Turkey]] and Greece, recent flooding across Germany and Belgium, etc.) However, I would reformulate the proposed headline, which IMO misses the point, namely that major actions are needed in the next two years or we will not be able to stop [[climate change]]. (And it's climate change rather than global warming). [[User:Bastun|<span style="font-family:Verdana, sans-serif">Bastun</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Bastun|Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!]]</sup> 09:07, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
::I have not managed to download it yet so I am not sure it does say we can stop climate change. But everyone please suggest alternative blurbs. [[User:Chidgk1|Chidgk1]] ([[User talk:Chidgk1|talk]]) 09:28, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose on quality''' article is a stub. If it's that important to be ITN-worthy, there must be much more that can be said about it. Rather than the one line of text suggested for this blurb. [[User:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b>]][[User talk:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#000000">2302</b>]] ([[User talk:Joseph2302|talk]]) 09:19, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
::I am sure a lot more will be added over the course of the week once the IPCC website manages to cope with the load of people downloading the report. [[User:Chidgk1|Chidgk1]] ([[User talk:Chidgk1|talk]]) 09:24, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
::::I have added more so have rerated "start class" [[User:Chidgk1|Chidgk1]] ([[User talk:Chidgk1|talk]]) 10:33, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
:::::{{u|Joseph2302}} Now someone else has improved my version can you support one or more blurbs? If not is there another improvement I can make?[[User:Chidgk1|Chidgk1]] ([[User talk:Chidgk1|talk]]) 14:07, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
* I'd propose an alternative blurb, somewhat like: The IPCC releases its Sixth Assessment Report, urging the nations to halve the greenhouse gas emissions by 2030. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 09:42, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
::I am sure any blurb you guys agree is fine by me. [[User:Chidgk1|Chidgk1]] ([[User talk:Chidgk1|talk]]) 11:04, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
:::I wouldn't say that, or we'll end up with just ''"The IPCC releases its Sixth Assessment Report"'' without any details. '''[[User:WaltCip|WaltCip]]'''-''<small>([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]])</small>'' 11:06, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
:::: I retract - I too now see the flaw in altblurb2 so do not support that one. [[User:Chidgk1|Chidgk1]] ([[User talk:Chidgk1|talk]]) 13:12, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support Tone's blurb''' or something along those lines. Make no mistake that this is of incommensurable importance.--'''[[User:WaltCip|WaltCip]]'''-''<small>([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]])</small>'' 10:43, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
*:And as per below, I'll get behind '''altblurb2''' at this point. '''[[User:WaltCip|WaltCip]]'''-''<small>([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]])</small>'' 12:12, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support <s>in principle, wait for article content</s>'''. <s>The article is extremely short and needs at least a couple of paragraphs on what the report actually says.</s> The blurb should be short and neutral - I've added alt2.  [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 11:07, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
::Now have 2 paras on report content - hope that is enough to start with - expansion continues. [[User:Chidgk1|Chidgk1]] ([[User talk:Chidgk1|talk]]) 11:32, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
:::Much better now, striking my length concerns. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 15:57, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
::Alt2 looks good to me, better than my own one. [[User:Bastun|<span style="font-family:Verdana, sans-serif">Bastun</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Bastun|Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!]]</sup> 11:52, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
* '''Comment''' – Monday's lead story on most Eng.-lang. RS sites. – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 12:29, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
* '''Support''' either of the first blurbs. The last one is at odds with the role of the IPCC: they don't advice on policy, just on science. They don't argue it must be halved by 2030, but that halving it is in line with internationally agreed warming targets. [[User:Femkemilene|FemkeMilene]] ([[User talk:Femkemilene|talk]]) 12:56, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
::Obviously she means she does not support altblurb2 as I have now added a new last one. [[User:Chidgk1|Chidgk1]] ([[User talk:Chidgk1|talk]]) 13:09, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
* '''Comment''' Given the infrequencies of the IPCCs, I would support posting something about it, but I disgree with the blurb's focus on future action since this has been a message of all prior IPCCs for the most part. I would instead focus on actual findings, such as the average global temperature rsing ~1 degC higher in the last decade. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 13:02, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
::Don't you find that a bit depressing, whereas actions are more likely to cheer readers? [[User:Chidgk1|Chidgk1]] ([[User talk:Chidgk1|talk]]) 13:06, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
:::As others have pointed out, the current blurbs focus on CRYSTAL factors, whereas ITN tends to be grounded in what actually happened. Yes, its more depressing, but its also what is been proven true. Again, I support posting something about IPCC as each iteration has been important. Now, that said, you can work in something like both. "The 6th IPCC reports that the Earth's average global temperature rose 1 degC in the last decade, but asserts climate change can still be halted." --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 13:13, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
::::OK have added another alt - that is probably enough from me [[User:Chidgk1|Chidgk1]] ([[User talk:Chidgk1|talk]]) 13:25, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
:::::Oh maybe passed blurb limit or I did something wrong as not showing up - anyway you can see by source editing.[[User:Chidgk1|Chidgk1]] ([[User talk:Chidgk1|talk]]) 13:28, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

* '''Support''' the original blurb most, but support any blurb except altblurb2 [[User:Chidgk1|Chidgk1]] ([[User talk:Chidgk1|talk]]) 13:33, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

:If you're going to put it can be stopped on shouldn't it be worded to make clear that you're still stuck at whatever level it eventually stops at (somewhat above the 2050 level) and it'll take thousands of years to reverse back to normal? Unless the carbon already released is removed by something that doesn't seem to be inventable any time soon or you wait a few thousand years for it to go from air to carbonate seafloor rocks. [[User:Sagittarian Milky Way|Sagittarian Milky Way]] ([[User talk:Sagittarian Milky Way|talk]]) 13:57, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
::I have probably suggested enough blurbs - feel free to suggest one yourself or support one or more[[User:Chidgk1|Chidgk1]] ([[User talk:Chidgk1|talk]]) 14:01, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
:::''The '''[[IPCC Sixth Assessment Report]]''' finds that [[global warming]] can stop intensifying at 2 (1.5?)°C if net [[greenhouse gas emissions]] are halved by 2030 and reach zero by 2050.''? [[User:Sagittarian Milky Way|Sagittarian Milky Way]] ([[User talk:Sagittarian Milky Way|talk]]) 15:05, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

*'''Support'''-- I am strongly opposed to altblurb2 -- there is no argument to be had here -- its the global consensus, we should be focused on the action required. [[User:Sadads|Sadads]] ([[User talk:Sadads|talk]]) 14:02, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
*:What ''should be'' isn't a criterion for news value or impact. We're not crusaders here. – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 14:14, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''', the release of the report itself is global, headline news. The article may just about be passable now. I don't think we need analysis in the blurb: ''The [[Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change]] releases the first part of their '''[[IPCC Sixth Assessment Report|Sixth Assessment Report]]''''' would be adequate by itself. Alternatively ''The [[Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change]] releases the first part of their '''[[IPCC Sixth Assessment Report|Sixth Assessment Report]]''' detailing the current state of [[global warming]] and projections of its future development''. --[[User:LukeSurl|LukeSurl]]<sup>&nbsp;[[User Talk:LukeSurl|t]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/LukeSurl|c]]</sup> 14:20, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
:*[[WP:CRYSTAL]] cautions against making predictions of the future in articles, it does not prohibit discussing notable predictions so long as they are clearly discussed in context - which the target article here clearly does. --[[User:LukeSurl|LukeSurl]]<sup>&nbsp;[[User Talk:LukeSurl|t]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/LukeSurl|c]]</sup> 14:25, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

*'''Oppose''' per [[WP:CRYSTAL]]; also, some (though admittedly not all) supports are [[WP:RGW|RGW]]y, contrary to our purpose and spirit as encyclopedic. &nbsp;–&nbsp;[[User:John M Wolfson|John M Wolfson]]&nbsp;([[User talk:John M Wolfson|talk]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/John M Wolfson|contribs]]) 14:19, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
* '''Support''' – On significance. Suggest '''Alt5:''' "The [[IPCC Sixth Assessment Report|Sixth Assessment Report]] of the [[IPCC]] declares that Earth is the hottest it's been in 125,000 years." – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 14:24, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' as [[WP:CRYSTAL]] with elements of [[WP:RGW]]. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 14:34, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' This report is in the news, that's not CRYSTAL. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 14:44, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
** I don't think the disagreement is about the report's issuance itself. That's clearly in the news. Its just the focus of the blurb on what is definitely a CRYSTAL prediction, which really doesn't work as ITN items based on past nominations. Just having a blurb that issues a statement of the situation tied to the IPCC is sufficient to avoid this problem and cover the story. The article on the 6th IPCC obviously can talk to this prediction, just that it doesn't work well for ITN blurbs. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 14:48, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
**:{{u|Masem}}, when top climate scientists issue a report like this, I don't interpret anything that they say as CRYSTAL. I take it as foreknowledge. Posted hook is fine by me. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 16:25, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
**::I agree the hook is a good compromise, but the issue is that we still need to be careful on putting too much weight on forward-thinking steps. Someone brought up RGW and that along with the "if" nature of the statement makes any blurb that said , to an extent "if we took steps now, we can stop climate change" as a bit of scaremongering, which is a bit beyond neutral for ITN.  However, a neutral assessment was found with the blurb, noting the changes and that actions to prevent further change have been proposed. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 16:50, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
* FWIW, the data for the Summary for Policy Makers (SPM) is released under a CC license, just not the figures themselves - data is located here [https://catalogue.ceda.ac.uk/uuid/ae4f1eb6fce24adcb92ddca1a7838a5c]. Figure SPM.1(b) is the nice telling image of showing the effect of anthropogenic change on temperature and likely could be recreated to use as a figure/image here. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 14:54, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
** I don't think a graph makes a good image, both for readability purposes as well as simply because data doesn't belong as an image on the Main page (except <em>maybe</em> for DYK). &nbsp;–&nbsp;[[User:John M Wolfson|John M Wolfson]]&nbsp;([[User talk:John M Wolfson|talk]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/John M Wolfson|contribs]]) 16:01, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Unbelievable''' - I can't understand the argument that this is [[WP:CRYSTAL]]. These are scientists who have made this their life's work and have come out and said, with all credentials and conviction behind them, that this is what is going to happen. What are you waiting for? Someone to take out a thermometer 10 years from now and say "yep, it got 1.5 degrees hotter"?--'''[[User:WaltCip|WaltCip]]'''-''<small>([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]])</small>'' 15:36, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
*:Indeed. The report is what it is. Whether anyone here agrees with it is totally irrelevant. It's majorly in the news and should go into the box pronto. Period. – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 15:55, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
{{ec}} 
::I agree, this is nothing to do with WP:CRYSTAL. For a start, much of the report is organising and synthesising measurements that have already been made. The modelling work is explicitly clear on the range of possible outcomes and where the uncertainties lie. This isn't speculation about the future, it's the most authoritative statement for 8 years (since the previous IPCC report) on what is currently known about climate change . [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 16:00, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' The Czechs have gone for a long one:
	
Mezivládní panel pro změnu klimatu vydal první část své nové hodnotící zprávy. Uvádí v ní, že lidská činnost prokazatelně způsobila nárůst teploty na Zemi a vedla k menší stabilitě celé planety.
	
which apparently means:
	
The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change has issued the first part of its new assessment report, which states that human activity has demonstrably caused an increase in temperature on Earth and destabilised the entire planet. [[User:Chidgk1|Chidgk1]] ([[User talk:Chidgk1|talk]]) 15:58, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

*'''Support, but I find the blurb misleading'''. I read the news differently than what the blurb suggests. We cannot avoid global warming, it's too late for that. What is possible is to avoid truly catastrophic climate change if we are able to cut CO2 emissions as mentioned in the blurb. See [https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-58130705 here:] "The new report also makes clear that the warming we've experienced to date has made changes to many of our planetary support systems that are irreversible on timescales of centuries to millennia. The oceans will continue to warm and become more acidic. Mountain and polar glaciers will continue melting for decades or centuries. "The consequences will continue to get worse for every bit of warming," said Prof Hawkins. "And for many of these consequences, there's no going back."" So, it's like the case of a patient who ignored doctor's advice to stay healthy for too long and now has to undergo quite intrusive medical procedures just to save his life. So, the best prognosis for the patient assuming successful medical treatment is that at he'll survive but in a poorer health condition. [[User:Count Iblis|Count Iblis]] ([[User talk:Count Iblis|talk]]) 15:59, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Strong support''' blurb, Alternative blurb or Alternative blurb II--[[User:PJ Geest|PJ Geest]] ([[User talk:PJ Geest|talk]]) 15:59, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
*{{Posted}} There appears to be strong consensus for posting this; all of the proposed blurbs, however, seemed rather unencyclopedic for the Main page so I decided to go with one that was more generic, neutral, and hopefully not placing any [[WP:DUE|undue weight]] on certain sections/findings. &nbsp;–&nbsp;[[User:John M Wolfson|John M Wolfson]]&nbsp;([[User talk:John M Wolfson|talk]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/John M Wolfson|contribs]]) 16:07, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
*:{{ping|John M Wolfson}} Good call. I'm happy with the posted blurb. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 16:15, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
*::I feel the blurb somewhat misrepresents the report, as this report has been very clear in not framing climate change as a future event but as a current event. We can '''simplify''' as "The [[Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change]] releases the first part of its '''[[IPCC Sixth Assessment Report|Sixth Assessment Report]]''', detailing the state of knowledge of [[climate change]] and describing its effects." [[User:Femkemilene|FemkeMilene]] ([[User talk:Femkemilene|talk]]) 17:45, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

* '''Post-posting comment''' – The blurb strikes me as rather complex. Suggest we shorten and simplify, perhaps as:
:"The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change releases the first part of its Sixth Assessment Report, detailing the state of climate change and describing its possible future effects." <br>– [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 16:19, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

*'''Support''' Alternative blurb IV, with a typo correction (change "for" to "in"). Alternative II implies that the IPCC is an advocacy organization. Alternative III gives undue weight to methane rather than carbon dioxide. The main blurb and Alternative I say that climate change can be stopped, which is technically correct but probably misleading for the  general reader since we are definitely going to get at another approximately .4 degrees of warming. [[User:Clayoquot|Clayoquot]] ([[User_talk:Clayoquot|talk]] <nowiki>&#124;</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Clayoquot|contribs]]) 17:53, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
*:Do you think blurb IV is better than the currently posted one about possible future effects / the proposed simplification(s). [[User:Femkemilene|FemkeMilene]] ([[User talk:Femkemilene|talk]]) 17:57, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
*:I think the current blurb is fine as is, which is why I refused to post any of the originally-propsed blurbs. Alt IV gives undue weight to a specific finding and is borderline alarmist. &nbsp;–&nbsp;[[User:John M Wolfson|John M Wolfson]]&nbsp;([[User talk:John M Wolfson|talk]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/John M Wolfson|contribs]]) 18:00, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
*::I think the current blurb is mostly fine and I do understand that other blurbs may have been unduely highlighting some of the findings. This is sort of what the current blurb does too, by only highlighting possible future effect rather than current effects and known future effects. Why not simplify to 'effects'? [[User:Femkemilene|FemkeMilene]] ([[User talk:Femkemilene|talk]]) 18:12, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
*::Oh sorry, I didn't notice that something had already been posted. The current blurb looks great, better than Alt IV. [[User:Clayoquot|Clayoquot]] ([[User_talk:Clayoquot|talk]] <nowiki>&#124;</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Clayoquot|contribs]]) 18:14, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

* '''Post-posting oppose'''  The complete lack of agreement on what blurb should be used demonstrates the reason why this shouldn't be blurbed.  A semi-regular report was released.  It doesn't tell us anything new, and doesn't suggest anything new that will happen in the future.  For one brief glorious moment, a bunch of academics got a boost to their publication stats.  Everyone else will see what they want to see for a day, and move on. [[User:力]] (power~enwiki, [[User talk:力|<span style="color:#FA0;font-family:courier">π</span>]], [[Special:Contributions/力|<span style="font-family:courier">ν</span>]]) 18:15, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
::::<small>Have you noticed whether it's in the <big><big>'''NEWS'''</big>''?''</big> – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 19:14, 9 August 2021 (UTC)</small>
::IPCC reports are rare, the top of the field on climate reports and state of the art, they have to be posted, even if no one can agree on a blurb and it has to default to "the report was released". [[User:Sagittarian Milky Way|Sagittarian Milky Way]] ([[User talk:Sagittarian Milky Way|talk]]) 19:20, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' So the blurb is essentially a panel on climate change releases a report on climate change. Great work everyone. [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 22:22, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
*:Yeah, the final result was a very milquetoast blurb. I'm not very pleased with it. We could have gone with a blurb that succinctly summarized the report and its findings, and that would have been [[WP:READER|damn well interesting for readers]]. But Wikipedia is allergic to such bold machinations in the fear that it may fly in the face of [[WP:NPOV]], [[WP:RGW]], [[WP:NOTADVOCACY]], etc.. So we're left with something that basically leaves the average reader questioning what the heck is newsworthy about some stuffy folks in labcoats writing a report about the weather. '''[[User:WaltCip|WaltCip]]'''-''<small>([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]])</small>'' 22:38, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
*:You're damn right, and especially with such a controversial/politically fraught topic I highly doubt anything else would have flown, certainly none of seven(!) originally proposed. &nbsp;–&nbsp;[[User:John M Wolfson|John M Wolfson]]&nbsp;([[User talk:John M Wolfson|talk]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/John M Wolfson|contribs]]) 22:51, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
:::Only controversial in my country full of [[flat Earthers]], [[Fauci]] haters, [[graphene oxide]]/microscopic tracking chip COVID vaccineists, [[moon hoax]]ers, [[9/11 truther]]s, [[Jewish space lasers]] and other conspiracy theorists. [[User:Sagittarian Milky Way|Sagittarian Milky Way]] ([[User talk:Sagittarian Milky Way|talk]]) 23:13, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
::::Don't forget Canadian brainwave meddling, "we" ''invented'' Global Research (the website, not the discipline or way of life). [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 00:35, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
::::The existence of climate change is not (genuinely) controversial, but nor was it revealed by the report. It is policy recommendations and specific numbers that become inherently political, and thus ultimately toxic and controversial. Without any comments on the recommendations themselves, stuff like "global warming can be stopped if we cut emissions X percent by year Y" has absolutely no place on the front page of the world's greatest encyclopedia. &nbsp;–&nbsp;[[User:John M Wolfson|John M Wolfson]]&nbsp;([[User talk:John M Wolfson|talk]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/John M Wolfson|contribs]]) 01:41, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
* '''Post-posting oppose''' WP:CRYSTAL . Given how politically engaged climate science has become in the West, I wouldn't trust this report either. [[Special:Contributions/212.74.201.233|212.74.201.233]] ([[User talk:212.74.201.233|talk]]) 00:04, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
*:Your last three !votes on ITN have all been [[WP:NOTFORUM]] violations. Stop it. '''[[User:WaltCip|WaltCip]]'''-''<small>([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]])</small>'' 00:19, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
*:{{ec}} I mean, the blurb just says the report was published, that's already happened. Your crystal ball work in reverse? On to the reason: wow, you have no idea what you're on about, do you? If this particular group of scientists can't be trusted then the moon could be made of cheese. There's skepticism and then there's choosing to push anything that goes against status quo, and you're doing the latter: look at the sources about news rather than blanket oppose because you personally don't like the subject the news deals with. [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 00:22, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

*'''Post-posting support'''* This has continued to be widely covered in the media. There is no need to remove it. [[User:JMonkey2006|JMonkey2006]] ([[User talk:JMonkey2006|talk]]) 00:48, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
{{abot}}
:''Any further discussion on "the matter" should go to the Ongoing proposal.'' - That's somewhat disingenuous considering that the Ongoing proposal has now been closed as [[WP:SNOW]].--'''[[User:WaltCip|WaltCip]]'''-''<small>([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]])</small>'' 12:53, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
== August 8 ==
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==== (Posted) RD: Najma Chowdhury ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Najma Chowdhury
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.thedailystar.net/news/bangladesh/news/prof-najma-chowdhury-passes-away-2148051 The Daily Star (Bangladesh)]<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = no
| nominator     = Ktin <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = Ktin, Afifa Afrin, Ibrahim Husain Meraj
| nom cmt       = Bangladeshi Academic. <s>Article is almost there, will require some touches before it can go to homepage / RD. I will work on it later tonight. In case someone wants to get to it before me, please feel free to do so.</s> Edits completed. Article has shaped into a decent C-class biography. Meets hygiene requirements for homepage / RD.
| sign          = [[User:Ktin|Ktin]] ([[User talk:Ktin|talk]]) 17:53, 9 August 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*<s>'''Weak</s> support''' Article has adequate depth of coverage for programs that the subject created; as an academic, did she have any research interests? '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082529">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T•</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">C</span>]]</sup> 02:36, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
*:Thanks {{u|Spencer}}. Added a few of her research topics. Please have a look. [[User:Ktin|Ktin]] ([[User talk:Ktin|talk]]) 03:28, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
* '''Posted''' I did not give out ITN credits to Afifa Afrin or Ibrahim Husain Meraj as I was unable to confirm their recent edits to the Najma Chowdhury wikibio related to her death. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 05:16, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

====(Posted) RD: Jane Withers ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Jane Withers
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/08/obituaries/jane-withers-dead.html The New York Times]<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = no
| nominator     = TDKR Chicago 101 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt       = Article has Good Article status and has been updated. Her death was announced today.
| sign          = --[[User:TDKR Chicago 101|TDKR Chicago 101]] ([[User talk:TDKR Chicago 101|talk]]) 00:26, 9 August 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Support''' GA, marking ready. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082529">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T•</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">C</span>]]</sup> 02:27, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 03:50, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
*<s>'''Oppose'''</s>. Just because something is a GA, doesn't mean it's automatically eligible. The filmography is largely unreferenced at present. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 16:56, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
**{{u|Amakuru}} The Filmography section has 3 overarching references at the bottom of the table, and that seemed to cover the filmography from what I could tell. This was apparently discussed prior to the GA review on the talk page: [[Talk:Jane_Withers#Filmography_table_sourcing]]. I'm going to go ahead and remove your tag, but if you have additional concerns, I'm happy to self-revert the tag removal. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082529">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T•</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">C</span>]]</sup> 02:49, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
**:{{ping|Spencer}} ah yes, my bad. Sorry about that. All looks good, thanks. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 10:39, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

==== (Posted) RD: Bill Davis ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Bill Davis
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = no
| nominator     = Floydian <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = AleatoryPonderings, Floydian
| nom cmt       = Premier of Ontario from 1971 to 1985. Article needs significant referencing, but hopefully this will get it some attention.
| sign          = '''[[User:Floydian|<span style="color: #0051BA;">Floydian</span>]]'''&nbsp;<sup>[[User_talk:Floydian|<span style="color: #3AAA3A;">τ</span>]]</sup> <sub>[[Special:Contributions/Floydian|<span style="color: #3AAA3A;">¢</span>]]</sub> 16:26, 8 August 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Comment''' multiple sections lacking in sourcing- which is a shame, as the first half of the article has good sourcing. [[User:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b>]][[User talk:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#000000">2302</b>]] ([[User talk:Joseph2302|talk]]) 08:37, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
*:Almost the entire article could be sourced to the Steve Paikan book I've been using for the first few sections. Unfortunately the Google books preview only goes up to page 93, so I'm hoping someone might have digital access to a copy. - '''[[User:Floydian|<span style="color: #0051BA;">Floydian</span>]]'''&nbsp;<sup>[[User_talk:Floydian|<span style="color: #3AAA3A;">τ</span>]]</sup> <sub>[[Special:Contributions/Floydian|<span style="color: #3AAA3A;">¢</span>]]</sub> 00:39, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Note''' there were a small handful of citation needed tags remaining. Since they are not of much importance, I've hidden them and moved discussion for them to the talk page. This article should be ready for posting. - '''[[User:Floydian|<span style="color: #0051BA;">Floydian</span>]]'''&nbsp;<sup>[[User_talk:Floydian|<span style="color: #3AAA3A;">τ</span>]]</sup> <sub>[[Special:Contributions/Floydian|<span style="color: #3AAA3A;">¢</span>]]</sub> 23:35, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 05:38, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

==== (Posted) RD: Bobby Bowden ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Bobby Bowden
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/08/sport/bobby-bowden-death/index.html CNN]
| updated       = y
| nominator     = Muboshgu <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt       = <!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
| sign          = &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 16:12, 8 August 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Comment''' - I'm not seeing sourcing for all that info in the "Head Coaching Record" section at the moment. And "The Bowden Bowl" seems misplaced as a subsection of "Personal life", as it's still related to this football career. Other than that, the article looks good. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 16:55, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
*:{{u|Amakuru}}, sort of fixed. [https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/coaches/bobby-bowden-1.html Sports Reference] doesn't include his coaching at Howard or South Georgia State for whatever reason. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 21:22, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
*::{{ping|Muboshgu}} OK, I think I've sourced the other bits. Good to go now, '''Support'''. CHeers &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 22:48, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 04:59, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

==== Taliban capture city of Kunduz ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = 2021 Taliban offensive <!-- Do not wikilink -->
| image         = Afghan government forces in Jowzjan Province during 2021 Taliban offensive (cropped).png
| caption       = Afghan pro-government forces assemble in [[Jowzjan Province]]
| blurb         = [[Taliban]] members capture the [[Afghan]] city of [[Kunduz]] as part of the '''[[2021 Taliban offensive]]'''<!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb      = [[Islamism|Islamist]] [[Taliban]] rebels [[2021 Taliban offensive|seize]] [[Kunduz]] and <s>four</s> 14 other provincial capitals in <s>northern</s> Afghanistan.
| altblurb2     = [[Taliban]] members capture many [[Afghan]] cities, including [[Herat]] and [[Kandahar]], as part of the '''[[2021 Taliban offensive]]'''.
| altblurb3     = The United States and United Kingdom send armed troops to Afghanistan to evacuate foreign nationals as much of the country '''[[2021 Taliban offensive|falls under Taliban control]]'''.
| sources       = [https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-58135148 BBC], [https://apnews.com/article/afghanistan-a3fb2c3463cc61d45fdc013adfede6bd AP], [https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/taliban-capture-government-buildings-afghan-city-kunduz-2021-08-08/ Reuters], [https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/8/8/taliban-captures-third-provincial-capital-in-three-days Al Jazeera]
| updated       = yes<!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Count Iblis <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator       = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt       = <!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
| sign          = [[User:Count Iblis|Count Iblis]] ([[User talk:Count Iblis|talk]]) 14:15, 8 August 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
:'''Support'''. Maybe a cropped version of [[:File:Afghan government forces in Jowzjan Province during 2021 Taliban offensive.png]] could also be used as an image? — [[User:Berrely|<span style="color:#000">'''''Berrely'''''</span>]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[User talk:Berrely|<sup>Talk</sup>]]∕[[Special:Contribs/Berrely|<sub>Contribs</sub>]] 14:19, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' article good enough. [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 14:30, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - but would like an improved blub, it doesn't really explain unless you know the contents. Best Wishes, '''[[User:Lee Vilenski|<span style="color:green">Lee Vilenski</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Lee Vilenski|talk]] • [[Special:Contribs/Lee Vilenski|contribs]])</sup>''' 14:41, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
*:updated the blurb a bit — [[User:Berrely|<span style="color:#000">'''''Berrely'''''</span>]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[User talk:Berrely|<sup>Talk</sup>]]∕[[Special:Contribs/Berrely|<sub>Contribs</sub>]] 14:47, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
* '''Support''' – if fully updated. Favor '''Alt1''', offered above. Provincial capitals captured include Sar-e-Pul, Sheberghan, Zaranj and Taloqan. – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 16:24, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
::<small>''PS:'' The pic. suggested above doesn't grab me. – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 16:27, 8 August 2021 (UTC)</small>
:::@[[User:Sca|Sca]] maybe [[:File:Afghan National Army in combat during 2021 offensive 1.png]] cropped? — [[User:Berrely|<span style="color:#000">'''''Berrely'''''</span>]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[User talk:Berrely|<sup>Talk</sup>]]∕[[Special:Contribs/Berrely|<sub>Contribs</sub>]] 17:41, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
::::Somewhat better. Could be cropped a bit. But are there any pix of the Tollyband doing their violent thing? – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 17:51, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' there has been this relentless effort to post the Taliban takeover in Afghanistan. Kunduz is a regional capital 100s of KMs away from Kabul and the media hysteria doesn't make it any less inevitable since Trump surrendered to the Taliban last year. When they take Kabul and assassinate Ghani it'll be time to post. Not now. --[[User:LaserLegs|LaserLegs]] ([[User talk:LaserLegs|talk]]) 18:22, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
*:Kabul is definitely looking to be the last American stronghold, so I'd support a blurb then. But in a closing ceremony, remove from Ongoing sense. Not because American news likes Kabul better than Kandahar. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 22:07, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
*::''When they take Kabul'' - what if they never do? Never post also? [[User:Banedon|Banedon]] ([[User talk:Banedon|talk]]) 00:28, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
*:::If they don't, they've either been defeated or made peace, both blurbable endings. If it turns into another stalemate, we can quietly remove it from Ongoing. But it sure doesn't end here and now, big moment or not, so your vote confuses me. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 01:37, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' If a militia captured Miami after taking over several states in just a few days we wouldn't be thinking twice about posting. Just because it's Afghanistan doesn't make it less relevant. [[User:Abcmaxx|Abcmaxx]] ([[User talk:Abcmaxx|talk]]) 19:21, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
::It does a little bit, in the sense that there has been war there for 20 years so it's not comparable to a non-conflict zone effort of the same size. But I still think this is big enough news to overcome that. [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 20:15, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Covered in Ongoing. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 19:37, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' it's already covered in the ongoing section. [[User:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b>]][[User talk:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#000000">2302</b>]] ([[User talk:Joseph2302|talk]]) 19:59, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' I thought the understanding was that items would move out of ongoing when a truly blurb-worthy development occurred, and then moved back. That's what happened with Venezuela last year. [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 20:17, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
*:''Extraordinary'' developments can stand alone. But continually taking back territory is the meat and potatoes of this ongoing story. It'd be like saying four cities (or countries) succumbed to COVID complications, during that overall lengthy drama. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 21:56, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Conditionally support AltBlurb''' The capture of these provincial capitals seems like a significant development. However, the capture of the capitals should be in the article’s intro. [[User:Blaylockjam10|Blaylockjam10]] ([[User talk:Blaylockjam10|talk]]) 21:44, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Blurb and remove from ongoing''' - a notable development. [[User:Banedon|Banedon]] ([[User talk:Banedon|talk]]) 00:28, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support blurb''' Major development and article in good shape. --[[User:TDKR Chicago 101|TDKR Chicago 101]] ([[User talk:TDKR Chicago 101|talk]]) 01:04, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Wait''' per the previous nominations. I think we should wait until the Taliban capture either Kandahar city or Kabul. It's just a matter of time, so better to wait until the more significant fall of one of those two largest cities (Kunduz is the sixth largest in Afghanistan). [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 11:11, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
* '''Comment''' – Sixth provincial capital, Aibak, seized. [https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/8/9/taliban-captures-sixth-afghanistan-provincial-capital-official] BBC headline: "How the Taliban retook half of Afghanistan" [https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-57933979] Wide coverage. [https://apnews.com/article/taliban-2d24bc4221c4b90cec22a6362d5fa69f] – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 12:37, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. This story is in Ongoing already, and the whole point of Ongoing is that we don't blurb the individual developments. If they take Kabul, then I'll think differently, but we're not going to blurb all the provincial capitals one by one. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 16:50, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per Amakuru.-- [[User:Pawnkingthree|Pawnkingthree]] ([[User talk:Pawnkingthree|talk]]) 17:36, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' as it's already covered in the ongoing section. We may consider posting a blurb for an event that will mark a ceasefire but this is clearly not it.--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 09:40, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' As the lead in the target article points out, theyhave taken over 65% of the country in 3 months and are likely to finish the job in 1-3 more. In this context, each city falling is not notable; it is assumed. ''<small>[[User_talk:GreatCaesarsGhost|<span style="color:#938f8d">GreatCaesarsGhost</span>]]</small>'' 12:02, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
* '''Comment''' – In terms of ''news'', the Taliban offensive continues to be prominently covered. Today's [https://apnews.com/article/middle-east-afghanistan-taliban-26d485963b7a0d9f2107afcbc38f239a AP] headline: "Taliban take 10th Afghan provincial capital, squeezing Kabul." I don't expect to change anyone's mind. Nevertheless, I offer this as food for thought. – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 13:06, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
*:Change mind from what to what?  You do know that [[2021 Taliban offensive]] is currently linked on the main page, and has been for some time, right?  I'm confused as to what change you're hoping to happen? --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 13:19, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
*::Blurb of course. As noted above, I'm not expecting it immediately – although newswise it is blurb material now. – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 13:48, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
*:::But this is more appropriate as an ongoing story as it is rapidly changing and developing, as such would require frequent changes to any blurb.  Ongoing is exactly what this kind of situation is designed for.  --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 15:57, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
*[[Herat]] - 3rd largest city - has been captured, and [[Kandahar]] will probably fall in, like, 24 hours or something.[https://www.france24.com/en/asia-pacific/20210812-taliban-capture-tenth-afghan-provincial-capital-over-weeklong-blitz ]At this rate, we might as well wait the next 3 days for them to take Kabul before posting the blurb, really. [[User:Juxlos|Juxlos]] ([[User talk:Juxlos|talk]]) 16:48, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

* '''Comment''' – Honest people may differ. I understand the logic of Ongoing, but to an ex-newsie it seems we're underplaying the topic. Oh well. – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]])<br>''Update:'' "Taliban [https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-58184202 take] 11th provincial capital in a week." – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 18:31, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
* '''Support new blurb ALT2 when ready''' Herat has fallen, and Kandahar has fallen or will fall within the day.  I think it's time for a blurb. [[User:力]] (power~enwiki, [[User talk:力|<span style="color:#FA0;font-family:courier">π</span>]], [[Special:Contributions/力|<span style="font-family:courier">ν</span>]]) 21:01, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
** All there is from reliable sources on Kandahar is a one-sentence AP report; it will take at least 2 hours for sourcing and the article to be ready for that blurb. [[User:力]] (power~enwiki, [[User talk:力|<span style="color:#FA0;font-family:courier">π</span>]], [[Special:Contributions/力|<span style="font-family:courier">ν</span>]]) 21:04, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
*::'''See:''' "Taliban take [https://apnews.com/article/middle-east-afghanistan-taliban-26d485963b7a0d9f2107afcbc38f239a Kandahar, Herat] in major Afghanistan offensive." About 1,000 words; moved at 21:30. – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 22:16, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
::::''PS:'' "The Pentagon said it would temporarily send about 3,000 extra [https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/taliban-battle-government-forces-us-fears-kabul-could-fall-90-days-2021-08-12/ troops] ... to help evacuate embassy staff" from Kabul. <small>(Moved at 21:35.)</small> – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 22:22, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' Added ALT3 in case editors still think the city names are too obscure. [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 00:06, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' There seems to be a persistent belief that Ongoing is second tier to the blurb space...that this current ongoing story is too big for ongoing and must be promoted to a blurb...which is completely unsupported by any policy or guideline I can find. Ongoing is not < or > a blurb.  ''<small>[[User_talk:GreatCaesarsGhost|<span style="color:#938f8d">GreatCaesarsGhost</span>]]</small>'' 02:43, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
*:No website is an island. On Friday Afghanistan leads ''every'' major RS site. – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 12:12, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
:::<small>'''PS:''' "''Im Krieg in Afghanistan haben nach dem Ende der NATO-Mission Resolute Support die Taliban 15 Provinzhauptstädte eingenommen.''" ([https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Hauptseite Ger. ITN]) — [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 12:30, 13 August 2021 (UTC)</small>
::::As always, we appreciate your informed, well-articulated comments that having nothing to do with the conversation everyone else is having. ''<small>[[User_talk:GreatCaesarsGhost|<span style="color:#938f8d">GreatCaesarsGhost</span>]]</small>'' 14:30, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
::::::<small>''Ganz typisch bei dir. Geh bloß weg, Bübchen.'' – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 15:05, 13 August 2021 (UTC)</small>

*'''Comment''' - I think the reason this situation has gone awry is that the usual process for Ongoing was not followed - namely that a story is blurbed first, and then rolls down to Ongoing once it falls off the bottom of ITN and the story is still important enough to merit posting. But in this case, for whatever reason, it was added straight to Ongoing with no blurb ever added. Well that's in the past now, and it's in Ongoing, so there's really nothing more to be said. Things seem to have hotted up in the past 24 hours, but according to today's Guardian: {{xt|"The latest US military intelligence assessment suggests Kabul could come under insurgent pressure within 30 days. If current trends continue the Taliban are likely gain full control of the country in a matter of months, it says"}}[https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/13/taliban-seize-four-more-provincial-capitals-in-afghanistan]... so it's certainly not as if this is going to be all over by Sunday. Therefore Ongoing is still the right place for it. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 14:39, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
*:Well, this isn't about Wiki's prosaic internal processes, it's about what's actually in the news. [https://q-images.nzz.ch/2021/08/13/12.8.fw-7d889c8571687afb6f0010d94e04cfb5.png?width=720&format=webply Here's] the current picture. – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 15:15, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
*::Indeed. And, as noted already numerous times, ''this story is currently posted on the main page in the ITN section''. As GCG says, Ongoing is not inferior to a blurb, it's equal in status but simply covers a case like this in which dribs and drabs of developments, each individually newsworthy, happen over the course of weeks. I suggest this discussion be closed soon, as it's becoming a circular argument. Cheers &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 15:22, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

::::''This '''story''' is currently posted on the main page in the ITN section.''
::::– No it isn't. A link is posted there, easily overlooked by our hapless readers. And it's just a topic label, telling almost nothing about what's going down. We're missing the boat. – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 16:03, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
:::::There's no boat to miss.  ITN is not a news ticker; it is not designed to keep readers up to the minute on current events.  It's there to provide links to further reading for stories they are seeing in the news elsewhere.  --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 16:07, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
::::::Just trying to see it from the reader's point of view. Oh well. C'est la vie. – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 18:10, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
:::::::I'd imagine our readers don't view themselves as hapless, and can find "Ongoing" news if they want it, using their inherent Power of Reading. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 12:42, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
{{od}}
* "Taliban approach Kabul’s outskirts." [https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-business-taliban-f600d6faf28e9c2ccb454ad176987b19] [https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-58205062] [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/14/us-troops-start-to-arrive-for-afghanistan-evacuation-as-taliban-close-in-on-kabul] [https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/us-troops-arrive-afghan-capital-assist-evacuations-2021-08-14/] [https://www.dpa-international.com/topic/taliban-shows-sign-slowing-it-moves-5-provinces-urn%3Anewsml%3Adpa.com%3A20090101%3A210814-99-838805] [https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/8/14/taliban-launch-new-assault-on-northern-afghan-city-live] – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 11:47, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

==== 2021 Lithuanian/EU migrant crisis ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = 2021 Belarus-EU border crisis
| image         = Lietuvos-Baltarusijos_siena_-_panoramio.jpg
| blurb         = Thousands of migrants surge into the [[EU]] from [[Belarus]] amidst the '''[[2021 Lithuanian migrant crisis]].'''
| recent deaths = no
| ongoing       = yes
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb      = Illegal crossings of the [[Belarus-Lithuania border]] surge due to the '''[[2021 Lithuanian migrant crisis]].'''
| altblurb2     = [[Lithuania]] is facing a surge of illegal migrants from [[Belarus]] as part of the '''[[2021 Lithuanian migrant crisis]]'''
| altblurb3     = Thousands of Middle Eastern migrants '''[[2021 European Union migrant crisis|enter the European Union]]''' from Belarus.
| altblurb4     = EU nations accused [[Belarus]] of [[human trafficking]] which caused the '''[[2021 Belarus-EU border crisis]]'''
| sources       = [https://edition.cnn.com/2021/08/13/europe/belarus-lithuania-border-migrants-eu-cmd-intl/index.html CNN][https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/belarus-lithuania-lukashenko-border/2021/08/07/565b7f72-f6dc-11eb-a636-18cac59a98dc_story.html The Washington Post] [https://www.independent.co.uk/news/belarus-moves-to-stop-lithuania-from-sending-back-migrants-lithuania-belarus-alexander-lukashenko-ukraine-kyiv-b1898282.html The Independent] [https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/poland-lithuania-call-eu-help-with-migration-surge-belarusian-border-2021-08-06/ Reuters] [https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/19/world/europe/lithuania-belarus-migrants-european-union.html The New York Times] [https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-57754193 BBC]
| updated       =
| nominator     = Mindaur
| nom cmt       = I included the blurb as IMO this certainly deserves to be in the news, but I also propose to consider this item as ongoing. This topic has been appearing in the international news since early July. In addition to the sources listed in the proposal (a few latest and couple older), you can find more in the references of the article or just by searching the news. Also, unfortunately I could not provide a better associative image. There are plenty of good photos in the media showing the events more "in-action", but I couldn't find any free/non-copyrighted which we could upload to Wikimedia.
| sign          = [[User:Mindaur|Mindaur]] ([[User talk:Mindaur|talk]]) 14:07, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
}}
*Is it just Lithuania? Poland says they've been sent migrants from Belarus as retribution for supporting [[Krystsina Tsimanouskaya]]. Anyway, the blurb feels back-heavy to me but I can't think of a way to rephrase it? [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 14:29, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
::I think for now it's fair/representative to keep the title as is: the number of illegal crossing to Lithuania is over 4000 in the recent months, while Latvia and Poland reported only dozens, so it's not (yet) a significant increase. However, the situation is still developing and if there will be substantial numbers of migrants reported by other countries, then we will have to re-think the title.. but I think we are just not quite there yet. --[[User:Mindaur|Mindaur]] ([[User talk:Mindaur|talk]]) 15:53, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
:::{{tq|Poland reported only dozens}} - over 500, but not a good argument anyway (see below). [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 20:35, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
* '''Comment''' – Should include a section on migrants fleeing Belarus for Poland. – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 16:30, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
*:The article contains a section about Poland. I just added a reference with some numbers, but as per my comment above -- they still seem to be significantly below the crossings into Lithuania. --[[User:Mindaur|Mindaur]] ([[User talk:Mindaur|talk]]) 17:20, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
*::Reply here also for above: if you want to look at this in terms of absolute numbers, Lithuania's are low compared to other migration and it won't get posted. The story that's in the news, and relevant here, is that the increase (%age) in migrants is an unprecedented surge, and is caused by deteriorating relations with Lukashenko. And the same is also true for Poland. IMO neither or both. [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 20:35, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
*:::Sure, as I said elsehwere -- it's not about the absolute numbers. It's about an unprecedented state-sponsored human trafficking. I am not very creative with blurbs, but I can propose more alternatives; feel free to beat me on this. --[[User:Mindaur|Mindaur]] ([[User talk:Mindaur|talk]]) 22:16, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
* '''Oppose''' Do you even understand how many migrants cross the US-Mexican border every well? How many travel through the mediterrenean every month? Hint: way more than did on this small stretch of Belarussian-lithuanian border [[Special:Contributions/212.74.201.233|212.74.201.233]] ([[User talk:212.74.201.233|talk]]) 16:58, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
*::::Been going on for years. Belarus is a current political crisis. – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 17:08, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
*:Irrelevant; your comment seems to be a case of [[whataboutism]]. --[[User:Mindaur|Mindaur]] ([[User talk:Mindaur|talk]]) 17:20, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
*:: I've never ever seen an intelligent person accuse others of whataboutism. Probably because invoking it is in and on itself a logical fallacy. Changing my vote to oppose [[Special:Contributions/212.74.201.233|212.74.201.233]] ([[User talk:212.74.201.233|talk]]) 21:29, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
:::*I'm pretty sure an oppose doesn't count if it's made because you don't like the fact someone said the word "whataboutism". [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 22:57, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' If it were Belarusians fleeing for Lithuania it might be interesting (the article is a mess though) but it's mostly Iraqis and no one should be surprised that Iraqis are fleeing Iraq. Also, 4000 people in 2021 ... that's basically a weekend on the US-Mexican border. --[[User:LaserLegs|LaserLegs]] ([[User talk:LaserLegs|talk]]) 18:24, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
::The article certainly needs improvements, but did you actually read it? You are comparing very different things: borders and populations of different scale and very different nature of the event. The significance of the article is not the absolute number of the illegal crossings, but the '''nature''' of the crisis i.e. it's effectively a state-sponsored human trafficking and a geopolitical/diplomatic conflict. If we have a news item about the [[Krystsina Tsimanouskaya]]'s humanitarian visa, then I really fail to see how is this less significant? --[[User:Mindaur|Mindaur]] ([[User talk:Mindaur|talk]]) 18:53, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
:::Sure did, I mean except for the meaningless wall of reactions. Terrible background section that has nothing to do with refugees. The claim that illegal immigration was "weaponized" is actually tagged "citation needed". Seems like your standard "Lukashenko bad" [[WP:SYNTH]] disaster article about an issue that's been affecting Europe in one way or another since the invasion of Iraq and the creation of ISIL. In other words, literally nothing at all to see here. Don't worry, it'll be posted. --[[User:LaserLegs|LaserLegs]] ([[User talk:LaserLegs|talk]]) 20:54, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
::::So, improve it. The background section contains two references about the election fraud (and if you need more, there is [[2020 Belarusian presidential election]] with loads of references), but you tagged it in the next section. The "weaponization" claim is referenced in that sentence; moreover, there is another reference in the lead section and more in other paragraphs. It's not [[WP:SYNTH]], it's based on what the referenced articles state, so the events in the backround have a great deal to do with the migrants/refugees. Do we need to improve the narrative and clean it up? Sure. I didn't create the article, by the way, but I am trying to clean it up. Meanwhile, your arguments don't have any substance: "meaningless wall of reactions", "terrible background", "standard 'Lukashenko bad'", [[Argument_from_analogy#False_analogy|false analogies]] (as already explained by multiple other comments here) -- it's all [[WP:JUSTDONTLIKEIT]]. It's not constructive. --[[User:Mindaur|Mindaur]] ([[User talk:Mindaur|talk]]) 21:21, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
:: '''Comment and reply''' Seconded the above, absolutely incomparable. By that logic you'd have to mention the Greek, Maltese, Spanish, UK and Italian migrant crises and routes, except this is a whole completely different scenario and different geo-political impact. [[User:Abcmaxx|Abcmaxx]] ([[User talk:Abcmaxx|talk]]) 19:02, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
::Belarus is shipping in Iraqis, keeping them in horrible conditions, then sending them across the border to countries without good migrant support infrastructure as a political weapon. "Be nice to us or we'll create a strain on your resources, and you'll feel bad because it's human lives". Quite a different situation, and I actually hadn't noticed it had got so bad in Lithuania. [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 20:13, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support ongoing''' There's no point comparing this to US-Mexico border. The population of Lithuania is similar to that of New Mexico alone, Belarus has less than 7.5% of the Mexican population and the border is only a few kilometers long in comparison. Different situation, different politics, different migrants etc. and this is a new unique development. Also [[WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS]]. [[User:Abcmaxx|Abcmaxx]] ([[User talk:Abcmaxx|talk]]) 18:58, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

*'''Support''' article appears to be well-cited and the story appears to be relevant to global events. [[User:NorthernFalcon|NorthernFalcon]] ([[User talk:NorthernFalcon|talk]]) 01:11, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
* '''Comment''' – "Poland reports record number of migrants at Belarusian border." [https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/poland-reports-record-number-migrants-belarusian-border-2021-08-09/] – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 12:41, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
:* I raise you "Biden imposes sanctions against Belarus' Lukashenko regime" [https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-europe-belarus-6adf187862771cb7869cd3bb777fd92a] [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 20:29, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' – Actually they are not Belarusian migrants. It's just another human trafficking route to the EU. Nothing unusual here. [[User:STSC|STSC]] ([[User talk:STSC|talk]]) 21:37, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' I agree that it's a state-sponsored human trafficking probably triggered by the failed repatriation of Timanovskaya but it's clear that Lithuania did very little to prevent this even though Lukashenko announced he would let the migrants cross the border as early as sanctions were imposed against Belarus following the aircraft carrying Protasevich had been landed more than two months ago. That being said, this is a relatively minor and not unexpected diplomatic incident compared to what else happened involving Belarus over the past year. The ITN section is really not meant to be a place for posting every single move made by Belarus and it's neighbouring EU member states.--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 10:18, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
* '''Comment''' – "Lithuanian parliament to debate building fence on Belarus border." [https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/lithuanian-parliament-debate-building-fence-belarus-border-2021-08-10/] – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 12:04, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
:* "Three-month state of emergency declared at Latvia-Belarus border" [https://eng.lsm.lv/article/society/society/three-month-state-of-emergency-declared-at-latvia-belarus-border.a416329/] --[[User:Mindaur|Mindaur]] ([[User talk:Mindaur|talk]]) 14:17, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' With Poland's surge and Latvia's SOE, I think it's clear the target shouldn't be the Lithuania article. But what should? I don't think "Belarus migrant warfare" would fly as an article title, and Belarus migrant crisis sounds like Belarusian migration, but Belarus is the connecting factor. [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 15:36, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
:: '''Comment''' I propose '''EU-Belarusian border migrant crisis''' as it would be factually correct and include Latvia, Lithuania and Poland. [[User:Abcmaxx|Abcmaxx]] ([[User talk:Abcmaxx|talk]]) 19:04, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
:::I very boldly went with a slight variation on that, [[2021 European Union migrant crisis]]. [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 19:13, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
::::{{u|Kingsif}}: It might have been better to initiate the discussion in the article's talk page -- just FYI. Anyway, the move is done and I think the new title is reasonable (even if not ideal). What is the process here, though? Should it be a new ITN proposal? Also, see my response to your other comment below. --[[User:Mindaur|Mindaur]] ([[User talk:Mindaur|talk]]) 21:36, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' Added ALT3. A more radical proposal would be to combine this and the related blurb currently in the box. I do worry how empty it'll look when the triple record blurb rolls off. [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 19:13, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
:*If commentators don't think the migration aspect specifically is notable here, then how about something like: "EU nations accused [[Belarus]] of [[human trafficking]] which caused the '''[[2021 European Union migrant crisis]]'''"? --[[User:Mindaur|Mindaur]] ([[User talk:Mindaur|talk]]) 21:36, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
::*There's more blurb slots available to propose that. [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 21:46, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
::: The problem with that name is that it is separate crisis to the usual Ceuta, Malta, Lampedusa, Greek Islands, Calais issues, which are all still struggling  but completely different scenario. [[User:Abcmaxx|Abcmaxx]] ([[User talk:Abcmaxx|talk]]) 08:06, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' – Just post the "[[2021 European Union migrant crisis]]" as ongoing. That's it. [[User:STSC|STSC]] ([[User talk:STSC|talk]]) 09:30, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose ongoing''' Updates are relatively insignificant, and there's an unclear endpoint. Only willing to support a blurb-- once it rolls off, no need to keep in ongoing. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082529">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T•</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">C</span>]]</sup> 22:31, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' - The news in the international still write about the situation [https://edition.cnn.com/2021/08/13/europe/belarus-lithuania-border-migrants-eu-cmd-intl/index.html] I am rather surprised that the article has neither have a single ITN item nor ongoing. --[[User:Mindaur|Mindaur]] ([[User talk:Mindaur|talk]]) 11:32, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

==== (Posted) 2020 Summer Olympics closing ceremony ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = 2020 Summer Olympics closing ceremony <!-- Do not wikilink -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = The [[2020 Summer Olympics|Summer Olympics]] '''[[2020 Summer Olympics closing ceremony|close]]''' in Tokyo, Japan. <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR          = yes <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb      = The [[2020 Summer Olympics|Summer Olympics]] '''[[2020 Summer Olympics closing ceremony|close]]''' in Tokyo, Japan, with the [[United States at the 2020 Summer Olympics|United States]] taking home the most gold and total [[2020 Summer Olympics medal table|medals]].
| altblurb2     = The [[2020 Summer Olympics|Summer Olympics]] '''[[2020 Summer Olympics closing ceremony|close]]''' in Tokyo, Japan, with the [[United States at the 2020 Summer Olympics|United States]] winning the most gold and total [[2020 Summer Olympics medal table|medals]]. <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = no <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = ActuallyNeverHappened02 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator       = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt       = a la the opening ceremony; in half an hour (again); will definitely need to be updated but after that I think we can post it <!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
| sign          = [[User:ActuallyNeverHappened02|'''Actually<sub>Never</sub>Happened02''']] ([[User talk:ActuallyNeverHappened02|a place to chalk]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/ActuallyNeverHappened02|a list of stuff i've done]]) 13:07, 8 August 2021 (UTC) {{pipe}} Alt blurb added by <span style="color:#AAA"><small>&#123;{u&#124;</small><span style="border-radius:9em;padding:0 5px;background:#088">[[User:Sdkb|<span style="color:#FFF">'''Sdkb'''</span>]]</span><small>}&#125;</small></span> <sup>[[User talk:Sdkb|'''talk''']]</sup> 23:55, 8 August 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Support and remove as ongoing''' the 2020 Summer Olympics is officially close, so it means the article does not longer necessary to continue as ongoing. [[Special:Contributions/180.242.42.147|180.242.42.147]] ([[User talk:180.242.42.147|talk]]) 14:02, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose on quality''' until "Dignitaries in attendance" and "Anthems" section are either sourced or removed (article is good enough for ITN without them). Definitely removed from ongoing, as the event has finished. [[User:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b>]][[User talk:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#000000">2302</b>]] ([[User talk:Joseph2302|talk]]) 16:33, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
** I think I fixed the sourcing issue in the dignitaries and anthems sections, so that should be fine now! [[User:ActuallyNeverHappened02|'''Actually<sub>Never</sub>Happened02''']] ([[User talk:ActuallyNeverHappened02|a place to chalk]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/ActuallyNeverHappened02|a list of stuff i've done]]) 19:17, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
*** It looks like a tonne of unsourced content has been added now, so cannot currently support (although I would support it all being removed, as per [[WP:VERIFY]]). [[User:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b>]][[User talk:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#000000">2302</b>]] ([[User talk:Joseph2302|talk]]) 09:21, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
**** I tried to fix most of it, so most prose should be cited now [[User:ActuallyNeverHappened02|'''Actually<sub>Never</sub>Happened02''']] ([[User talk:ActuallyNeverHappened02|a place to chalk]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/ActuallyNeverHappened02|a list of stuff i've done]]) 19:39, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support and remove as ongoing''' The olympics are not going anymore.[[User:Pyramids09|Pyramids09]] ([[User talk:Pyramids09|talk]]) 17:32, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
* '''Support Blurb. Support removal from ongoing'''. Nice work {{ping|ActuallyNeverHappened02}}. There is one more {{cn}} tag remaining in the lede and two more in the Antwerp Ceremony section. Article is good for [[WP:ITN]] once those are removed. [[User:Ktin|Ktin]] ([[User talk:Ktin|talk]]) 19:22, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
** I think I've fixed the citation issue now, the cited prose has either been removed or replaced :) [[User:ActuallyNeverHappened02|'''Actually<sub>Never</sub>Happened02''']] ([[User talk:ActuallyNeverHappened02|a place to chalk]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/ActuallyNeverHappened02|a list of stuff i've done]]) 20:28, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
* '''Question''', will this still be news tomorrow? Thanks. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 19:24, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
:*Whether it is or not, it was in the news when it occurred, and as it is ITNR it will be posted when quality is there(it isn't yet).  You are free to propose the removal of the closing ceremony from ITNR if you desire. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 09:22, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
::*Yes, I know, this is how ITN words. Maybe I'll propose changing the title to "What was in the news". [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 10:41, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Weak support''' ITNR so only quality is a consideration and I see a couple of [citation needed] tags in there. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 19:27, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
* '''Support Blurb. Support removal from ongoing''' - Now the closing ceremony should be added.[[User:BabbaQ|BabbaQ]] ([[User talk:BabbaQ|talk]]) 21:52, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
* '''Support alt blurb''' as proposer—the country winning the most medals is a key fact, particularly this Olympics given the competition between the U.S. and China. We have room to include it so we might as well. <span style="color:#AAA"><small>&#123;{u&#124;</small><span style="border-radius:9em;padding:0 5px;background:#088">[[User:Sdkb|<span style="color:#FFF">'''Sdkb'''</span>]]</span><small>}&#125;</small></span> <sup>[[User talk:Sdkb|'''talk''']]</sup> 23:55, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' There are several tags in the article. [[User:Hanamanteo|Hanamanteo]] ([[User talk:Hanamanteo|talk]]) 02:45, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Whole paragraphs unreferenced. [[User:Pawnkingthree|Pawnkingthree]] ([[User talk:Pawnkingthree|talk]]) 02:49, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
:* I've tried my best to get the citation issue fixed, so most of the prose in the article is now cited properly [[User:ActuallyNeverHappened02|'''Actually<sub>Never</sub>Happened02''']] ([[User talk:ActuallyNeverHappened02|a place to chalk]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/ActuallyNeverHappened02|a list of stuff i've done]]) 19:11, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' the original blurb once the article is improved and '''strong oppose''' the alternative blurb per Article 6 in Charter 1 of the [[Olympic Charter]], which states "The Olympic Games are competitions between athletes in individual or team events and not between countries."--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 06:16, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
:*I guess this means that the whole notion of a medals table is un-Olympic? [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 09:14, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
::*The IOC is free to consider the Olympics what it wishes, but what matters is how RS report on it, and almost all of them report out which country won the most medals and most gold medals, usually in the form of a table. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 09:20, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
:::*The BBC's [https://www.bbc.com/sport/olympics/58137574 report] on the closing ceremony doesn't even mention which country won the most gold and total medals. So, there's no need to load the blurb with superfluous details when it's clear that the closing ceremony is the main news and an ITNR item that should get posted.--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 10:17, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
:::*:Other than the unencyclopedic term "taking home" (should be "winning" probably) I think it's fine to mention the US as medal table winners. Sources do take major note of that. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 16:48, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
:::::*And let's hear it for the eight countries who shared joint-86th place with one bronze medal each. At least every country got something. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 16:53, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
::::::*I still think that any outcome of the event is a different story from the closing ceremony and should be dealt with separately. But if we really need an extended blurb documenting achievements from the event, my first choice would be either [[Caeleb Dressel]]'s five gold medals or [[Emma McKeon]]'s seven total medals. Their achievements as most successful athletes are covered in RS as much as the US finishing on top of the medal table but the difference is that one such blurb would give more context compared to the blunt message that a country won the most medals.--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 18:08, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Blurb. Oppose alt blurb I && II. [[User:Robertsky|– robertsky]] ([[User talk:Robertsky|talk]]) 20:24, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' – Some portions of the content are still unsourced. [[User:STSC|STSC]] ([[User talk:STSC|talk]]) 21:47, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' - if anything is to be blurbed in connection with this, it should be [[2020 Summer Olympics]], not the article on the closing ceremony. The point of the ITN/R is that the Olympics are done and dusted, the grand spectacle has come to an end. The closing ceremony itself is certainly not the main story, that's just a bit of light-hearted fluff. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 10:42, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
** ITN/R does explicitly mention "the opening and closing ceremonies of the Summer and Winter Olympic Games", plus the closing ceremony is how the Games ended. If this was the case for the opening ceremony, then we could've posted that the Olympics had begun, and keep the opening ceremony as a footnote. If we didn't do that there, what makes us not do that here? [[User:ActuallyNeverHappened02|'''Actually<sub>Never</sub>Happened02''']] ([[User talk:ActuallyNeverHappened02|a place to chalk]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/ActuallyNeverHappened02|a list of stuff i've done]]) 12:52, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Article looks fine, even the Paris part. Not enough CN tags to bar from posting. Marking for further attention. [[User:AllegedlyHuman|AllegedlyHuman]] ([[User talk:AllegedlyHuman|talk]]) 22:55, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
**I can't think of a time where we intentionally posted an item to ITN with outstanding CN tags. Have since added them myself but if there's "not enough CN tags to bar from posting" then it shouldn't be too time-consuming to add them. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082529">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T•</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">C</span>]]</sup> 15:29, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' CN tags addressed. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082529">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T•</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">C</span>]]</sup> 15:29, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
*:{{ping|Spencer}} [[United States at the 2020 Summer Olympics]] is currently tagged. I don't think this choice of blurb was necessary.--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 15:36, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
*::{{u|Kiril Simeonovski}} I [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:In_the_news&diff=1038275983&oldid=1038251111 posted the original blurb], which did not include a link to [[United States at the 2020 Summer Olympics]]. I am not sure who adjusted the blurb since posting. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082529">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T•</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">C</span>]]</sup> 15:44, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
*:::Oh, sorry. I didn't check that specific detail. It seems like there's an [[Talk:United States at the 2020 Summer Olympics#Neutrality|ongoing discussion]] on the article's neutrality and hence the tag.--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 16:21, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
*:::{{ping|John M Wolfson}} I believe you overlooked the neutrality tag before [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:In_the_news&diff=1038286622&oldid=1038275983 expanding the blurb]. Could you please revert it to the original blurb until the neutrality issue is resolved on the discussion page? Thanks.--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 17:48, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
*::::From what I understand (and read on the main [[WP:ITN]] page), only the bolded article needs to be fully Main-Page compliant, otherwise little would ever get posted in a timely manner. In any event I can unlink the medal table, but reader interest dictates that the overall result be posted. &nbsp;–&nbsp;[[User:John M Wolfson|John M Wolfson]]&nbsp;([[User talk:John M Wolfson|talk]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/John M Wolfson|contribs]]) 18:42, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
== August 7 ==
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==== (Closed) 2021 British & Irish Lions ====
{{atop|Consensus for posting is unlikely to develop.--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 16:48, 9 August 2021 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to South Africa<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| blurb         = In rugby union, the [[South Africa national rugby union team|South Afirica's Springboks]] defeat the [[British and Irish Lions]] to win the '''[[2021 British & Irish Lions tour to South Africa|test series]]''' 2-1.
| sources       = [https://www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-union/58130765 BBC]<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| sign          = [[Special:Contributions/219.102.223.134|219.102.223.134]] ([[User talk:219.102.223.134|talk]]) 00:04, 9 August 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Oppose''' relatively insignificant sports series. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 09:56, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' not significant enough competition for ITN. News coverage of it in the UK was way lower than e.g. the [[Six Nations Championship]] (which does get posted, as it's ITNR). [[User:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b>]][[User talk:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#000000">2302</b>]] ([[User talk:Joseph2302|talk]]) 09:59, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' agree with the above two comments re significance and also oppose on article quality - mostly a stats page. Only one match has any prose coverage.--[[User:Bcp67|Bcp67]] ([[User talk:Bcp67|talk]]) 10:19, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
{{abot}}

==== (Posted) RD: Markie Post ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Markie Post<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/08/arts/television/markie-post-dead.html New York Times], [https://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/pop-culture-news/markie-post-night-court-fall-guy-actor-dies-70-n1276299 NBC News]<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = CoatCheck <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = Bloom6132
| nom cmt       = Night Court, Fall Guy actress of the 80s. Worked up to recently during cancer battle.<!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
| sign          = [[User:CoatCheck|CoatCheck]] ([[User talk:CoatCheck|talk]]) 20:41, 8 August 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
* '''{{s|Almost}} Support''' Unsourced filmography, with many minor style errors, TV movies in Film ''and'' Television...but otherwise fine. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 02:37, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
* Still some citations missing in filmography section. Awards and nominations section unref'd. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 06:10, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
** {{re|PFHLai|InedibleHulk}} added citations and hid uncited info for ones I could not find reliable sources. —[[User:Bloom6132|Bloom6132]] ([[User talk:Bloom6132|talk]]) 06:51, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
* '''Support'''The filmography entries and text look sourced.  There a few dead links, but they are backed up by live sources. [[User:Joofjoof|Joofjoof]] ([[User talk:Joofjoof|talk]]) 11:50, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
* '''Support''' Looks good to go. [[User:Hanamanteo|Hanamanteo]] ([[User talk:Hanamanteo|talk]]) 15:00, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
* '''Posted'''. Thanks for the new citations! --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 19:27, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

====RD: Brad Allan====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Brad Allan <!-- Do not wikilink -->
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.thewrap.com/brad-allan-stuntman-and-jackie-chan-protege-dies-at-48/ The Wrap], [https://usdaynews.com/celebrities/celebrity-death/brad-allen-death-cause/ US Day News], [https://tw.news.yahoo.com/%E6%88%90%E9%BE%8D%E7%97%9B%E5%A4%B1%E6%88%90%E5%AE%B6%E7%8F%AD2%E8%A6%AA%E4%BA%BA-%E6%82%B2%E6%82%BC-%E7%8E%BB%E7%92%83%E6%A8%BD-%E5%B0%8D%E6%89%8B%E7%97%85%E9%80%9D%E4%BA%AB%E5%B9%B448%E6%AD%B2-100549855.html Yahoo] (in Chinese)<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = yes<!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = SirEdimon <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = 
| nom cmt       = Australian martial artist, actor, stunt performer and first non-Asian member of the [[Jackie Chan Stunt Team]]. News of his death are still coming out. The article needs some work.
| sign          = --[[User:SirEdimon|<span style="color:#000000;font-family:Broadway;">SirEd</span>]] <sup>[[User_talk:SirEdimon|<span style="#0015A8;font-family:Comic Sans MS;">Dimmi!!!</span>]]</sup> 01:47, 8 August 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Comments''': The Filmography section remains unref'd. More footnotes are also needed in the biographical prose. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 16:26, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

====(Posted) RD: Trevor Moore====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Trevor Moore (comedian) <!-- Do not wikilink -->
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://nypost.com/2021/08/07/trevor-moore-of-the-whitest-kids-u-know-dead-at-age-41/ (NYPost)], [https://www.rollingstone.com/tv/tv-news/trevor-moore-whitest-kids-u-know-dead-1209177/ (RollingStone)], [https://www.vulture.com/2021/08/trevor-moore-whitest-kids-u-know-co-founder-dead-at-41.html (Vulture)]<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = yes<!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = TatteredSail <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = CarciaNullius, Nohomersryan
| nom cmt       = Comedian known for [[The Whitest Kids U' Know]]. Article has lots of unreferenced claims
| sign          = [[User:TatteredSail|TatteredSail]] ([[User talk:TatteredSail|talk]]) 23:08, 7 August 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*Yeah, definitely not ready to post yet. Given the surprise nature of the death, there will be a fair bit that requires updating and pruning, hopefully some of which will be covered in upcoming articles. [[User:Nohomersryan|Nohomersryan]] ([[User talk:Nohomersryan|talk]]) 23:26, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
* I've now added references for much of the article. [[User:TatteredSail|TatteredSail]] ([[User talk:TatteredSail|talk]]) 18:20, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
*A couple more references needed, but nearly good to post. [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 01:16, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
* Film + discography are now fully referenced, and CN tags are complete. It should be ready now. [[User:TatteredSail|TatteredSail]] ([[User talk:TatteredSail|talk]]) 15:23, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 16:45, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
== August 6 ==
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====(Posted) RD: Herbert Schlosser====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Herbert Schlosser
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/06/business/media/herbert-schlosser-dead.html ''The New York Times'']; [https://variety.com/2021/tv/news/herbert-schlosser-dead-snl-laugh-in-1235036648/ ''Variety'']; [https://deadline.com/2021/08/herb-schlosser-dead-longtime-nbc-exec-behind-saturday-night-live-tonight-show-was-95-1234810796/ ''Deadline Hollywood'']
| updated       = yes
| nominator     = Bloom6132
| updaters       = Bloom6132, Connormah
| nom cmt       = 
| sign          = [[User:Bloom6132|Bloom6132]] ([[User talk:Bloom6132|talk]]) 02:29, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
}}
*'''Support''' Made NBC relevant to the 1970s, short sweet article, woe is us. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 02:40, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 11:53, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

==== (Closed) Attack on Ralph Gonsalves, Prime Minister of St. Vincent and the Grenadines ====
{{atop|No consensus to post. [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 05:02, 8 August 2021 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Ralph Gonsalves
| image         = 
| blurb         = [[St. Vincent and the Grenadines]] Prime Minister [[Ralph Gonsalves]] is in hospital after a rock was thrown at him by a [[anti-vaccine movement|anti-vaccine protester]].
| recent deaths = no 
| ongoing       = 
| ITNR          = no
| altblurb      = 
| altblurb2     = 
| sources       = [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/06/st-vincent-grenadines-vaccine-protest-ralph-gonsalves The Guardian]
| updated       = yes
| nominator     = Abcmaxx
| creator       = 
| updaters      = 
| nom cmt       = It is breaking news so severity of this attack is not yet known, but significant attacks on heads of state are a rare notable occurrence I would say. Wider significance from anti-vax attacks and ongoing COVID-19 issues all over the globe. Cannot remember the small island nation being in the news ever so it must be fairly significant to make it round the world on front pages.
| sign          = [[User:Abcmaxx|Abcmaxx]] ([[User talk:Abcmaxx|talk]]) 23:21, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
}}
*'''Oppose''' It can't be pleasant to be hit with a rock, but he doesn't seem seriously injured. No broader impact than that. [[User:Nohomersryan|Nohomersryan]] ([[User talk:Nohomersryan|talk]]) 00:49, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
**Eh, a concussion to be precise[https://www.iwnsvg.com/2021/08/06/pm-gonsalves-suffered-a-concussion-must-be-monitored-for-weeks/], so he will be monitored for some weeks. No lasting issues though. [[User:Joofjoof|Joofjoof]] ([[User talk:Joofjoof|talk]]) 02:45, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' This has made the regional news: [https://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/pm-gonsalves-injured-during-covid-protest_228136 Jamaica] [https://guardian.co.tt/news/st-vincent-pm-attacked-during-vaccine-protest-6.2.1367761.e6c36669ed Trinidad and Tobago], [https://www.stabroeknews.com/2021/08/06/news/regional/st-vincent-pm-in-hospital-after-hit-by-demonstrators-projectile/ Guyana].  The CARICOM chair also released a statement.[https://today.caricom.org/2021/08/06/no-place-for-violence-personal-physical-assaults-in-caricom-democracies-caricom-chair/] [[User:Joofjoof|Joofjoof]] ([[User talk:Joofjoof|talk]]) 02:45, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' One wounded fails MINIMUMDEATHS, and he's far from a major world leader (my queen is his country's head of state). But yes, I've felt his pain, not fun. Stay strong, brother! [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 02:56, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
* '''Oppose''' – Lacks general significance. Suggest '''close'''. – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 12:05, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Your average [[Milkshaking]], but with a rock. [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 23:59, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
{{abot}}

==== Dixie Fire ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Dixie Fire
| image         = Pyrocumulus cloud produced by the Dixie Fire on July 22-5865.jpg
| caption       = [[Flammagenitus cloud]] produced by the Dixie Fire near [[Chico, California|Chico]]
| blurb         = The '''[[Dixie Fire]]''' ''(fire cloud pictured)'' burns over 480,000 acres of land  in [[Northern California]], destroying the towns of [[Canyondam, California|Canyondam]] and [[Greenville, California|Greenville]].
| sources       = [https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/8/6/california-wildfire-explodes-to-third-largest-in-states-history AJ], [https://www.cbsnews.com/video/californias-dixie-fire-demolishes-two-mountain-communities/ CBS], [https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/06/weather/california-wildfires-friday/index.html CNN], [https://www.npr.org/2021/08/06/1025495042/dixie-fire-california-wildfire-greenville NPR], [https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/05/us/dixie-fire-greenville-california.html NYT]
| updated       = yes
| nominator     = AllegedlyHuman
| updaters      = Shannon1, Frank Schulenburg
| nom cmt       = Major wildfire, third largest in California's history. Larger than the currently-blurbed [[2021 Turkish wildfires]] by over 4x.
| sign          = [[User:AllegedlyHuman|AllegedlyHuman]] ([[User talk:AllegedlyHuman|talk]]) 20:39, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
}}
*'''Support''' Climate change is destroying towns. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 21:19, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
* '''Comment''' – Part of the larger global warming/climate change/U.S. wildfires stories. Doesn't appear to have a larger significance on its own. – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 22:02, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
* '''Comment''' Agree with Sca. The difference with the Turkish forest fires is that have caused at least 8 victims. In California, two towns with less than 1200 inhabitants combined were burned. [[User:Alsoriano97|_-_Alsoriano97]] ([[User talk:Alsoriano97|talk]]) 22:18, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
* '''Wait''' Its wildfire season in the US (and elsewhere), and while two towns were destroyed, these aren't very large, and there are yet any reported deaths. The wildfire could get worse before its considered extinguished, and if there are deaths or more severe destruction (acreage of land notwithstanding) then it might be worth posting. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 22:52, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
* '''Comment''' Should we use units of acres or square kilometres? [[User:Osunpokeh|osunpokeh]] ([[User talk:Osunpokeh|talk]]) 11:31, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
*:For U.S. fires only, sq. mi. with sq. km in parens (U.S. media practice). – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 12:08, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Nom. comment''' Fire is now the [https://www.politico.com/states/california/story/2021/08/06/dixie-fire-becomes-largest-single-wildfire-in-california-history-1389651 "largest single wildfire in California history"]. [[User:AllegedlyHuman|AllegedlyHuman]] ([[User talk:AllegedlyHuman|talk]]) 16:25, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
** While that is very much true, we're also talking about an area of the state largely undeveloped and unpopulated, aka "if a tree falls in a forest, does it make a sound?" scenario.  Yes, that's still land damage, there's smoke and ash going at least as far as Salt Lake City from what I've heard, etc. But its again, norm for this time of year and no lives have yet to be lost. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 16:46, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
***Aye, everyone knows plants and animals were dead when we got here, a barren untouched wasteland. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 21:08, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' big fire, sad fire, not really interesting that it's a "biggest since FOO" fire because there's always one of those.  Appears, per Masem, to currently (and merficully) have made little real historical impact. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 22:58, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
*<s>'''Oppose''' It's wildfire season in California, we'll continue to resist setting precedent for posting any and every X in predictable X season unless it's truly unprecedented. Also, I haven't seen this actually in any news (obviously I see the links, I had read about it by going down the local story route, but I mean it's not making headlines so that elusive "average reader" would be surprised to see it headlining Wikipedia alone). [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 23:59, 7 August 2021 (UTC)</s>
*'''Oppose''' it's not "news" that California has fires in the summer.  This fire has been going for weeks. [[User:力]] (power~enwiki, [[User talk:力|<span style="color:#FA0;font-family:courier">π</span>]], [[Special:Contributions/力|<span style="font-family:courier">ν</span>]]) 00:13, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Change my vote, fire now much bigger and certainly ITN. However, I would rather support a '''combined blurb''' also mentioning the Greece/Turkey/Algeria etc. fires. [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 15:23, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
** Thing is, there's still no deaths reported, unlike the other wildfires. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 15:27, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Admin comment:''' No consensus for posting at this time. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082529">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T•</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">C</span>]]</sup> 15:23, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

==== (Closed) Prime Minister of Moldova ====
{{atop|No consensus to post as a follow-up to an already posted election. [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 01:10, 9 August 2021 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Natalia Gavrilița<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = Parliament of [[Moldova]] approves '''[[Natalia Gavrilița]]''' as new [[Prime Minister of Moldova|Prime Minister]].<!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [https://news.trust.org/item/20210806112519-ynyu0/ Reuters], [https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/moldovan-parliament-confirms-gavrilita-presidents-choice-new-pm-2021-08-06/ Reuters], [https://www.interfax.ru/world/782906 Interfax]<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Andrew J.Kurbiko <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator       = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt       = <!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
| sign          = [[User:Andrew J.Kurbiko|Andrei]] ([[User talk:Andrew J.Kurbiko|talk]]) 13:04, 6 August 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
* '''Comment''': we already posted the results of the election back in July, so this is probably just a formality? --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 13:38, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
* '''Oppose''' per Tone, this is a duplicate posting; we already posted the election and the results.  ''Occasionally'' we have posted things like this ''instead'' of elections, in cases where we missed the election posting for various reasons, but in general, when the election has already been posted, such formalities like this or like inaugurations and the like are not normally posted.  --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 14:49, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
*:I would not call it a formality because in this case, the leader of the winning party does not automatically become a prime minister (in fact, he is the current speaker of the parliament). It is not the [[Westminster system]]. Nevertheless, the prime minister in Moldova has more powers than the president, therefore should be important enough to be posted. Also worth noting is the fact that the country has had no government since last December, so this is a formal end of the local political crisis. --[[User:Andrew J.Kurbiko|Andrei]] ([[User talk:Andrew J.Kurbiko|talk]]) 15:21, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
*:: Still, according to the election results, it was expected that the new PM would come from a party that has comfortably won the election. We typically reserve the PM posting in cases where there is a prolonged government formation, such as when no party can form a coallition and similar, which was not the case here. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 16:45, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
*:::Per Tone, it ''is'' a formality because we ''knew'' who the PM was going to be at the election, and nothing strange or unexpected happened between then and now.  It was expected, at the time of the election, that what happened above would happen.  Had it not, we would have a story to post.  Since everything happened according to plan, there's no reason to post such an update.  --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 17:37, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
:::::Does seem pretty much a foregone conclusion. – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 18:52, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
{{abot}}
== August 5 ==
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==== (Closed) Lionel Messi leaves Barcelona ====
{{archive top|1=To avoid descending into [[WP:DICK]] territory as usual. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 22:37, 5 August 2021 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Lionel Messi
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = Lionel Messi leaves [[FC Barcelona|Barcelona]] after 21 years at the club
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR          =  <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/aug/05/lionel-messi-leaving-barcelona-after-obstacles-thwart-contract-renewal The Guardian]<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = 
| nominator     = Pharaoh of the Wizards <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator       = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt       = Messi is leaving Barcelona for spending his career of 21 years there and is one world greatest footballers. This is global news not a normal transfer.
| sign          = [[User:Pharaoh of the Wizards|Pharaoh of the Wizards]] ([[User talk:Pharaoh of the Wizards|talk]]) 21:54, 5 August 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Strong oppose''' Sports transactions, no matter who the player is, are not ITN material. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 21:56, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' only blurb Messi  gets is if  (a) he  dies or  (b) he  signs for [[Ipswich Town F.C.|Ipswich Town]]. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 22:00, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. Sports transactions are not news. We didn't post(and shouldn't have) when [[Tom Brady]] went to Tampa Bay. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 22:15, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' it's a "transfer" not a "transaction".  And to where, we know not.  Thanks.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 22:22, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
* '''Oppose''' – Lacks general significance. Suggest '''snow'''. [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 22:22, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Soccer is the most important thing in the world. --[[User:LaserLegs|LaserLegs]] ([[User talk:LaserLegs|talk]]) 22:35, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
{{archive bottom}}

==== (Posted) RD: Richard Trumka ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Richard Trumka<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/05/business/richard-trumka-dead.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage New York Times] [https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/05/richard-trumka-head-of-afl-cio-union-federation-dies-at-72.html CNBC] [https://www.politico.com/news/2021/08/05/afl-cio-trumka-dead-502573 Politico]<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Chsdrummajor07 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = Bookworm-ce<!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt       = American labor leader, President of the [[AFL-CIO]]<!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
| sign          = Hans van Mol 16:41, 5 August 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Comment''' I think I got the last couple citations in about his work on the U.S. Shell boycott; I would definitely '''support''' if so, as it seems everything else is sufficiently referenced. [[User:Rawmustard|rawmustard]] ([[User talk:Rawmustard|talk]]) 17:43, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Looks solid. [[User:Teemu08|Teemu08]] ([[User talk:Teemu08|talk]]) 21:56, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
*One citation needed. [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 06:09, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' I just deleted the only unsourced information. [[User:Alsoriano97|_-_Alsoriano97]] ([[User talk:Alsoriano97|talk]]) 17:58, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
* '''Support'''. Article looks good for homepage / RD. RIP. Marking Ready. [[User:Ktin|Ktin]] ([[User talk:Ktin|talk]]) 18:48, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 20:24, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

==== (Posted) RD: Brian Henderson (television presenter) ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Brian Henderson (television presenter) <!-- Do not wikilink -->
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = yes<!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Stephen <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = Bloom6132
| nom cmt       = Veteran Australian newsreader, needs work.
| sign          = [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 05:06, 5 August 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Support''' – well-referenced; meets minimum ITN requirements. —[[User:Bloom6132|Bloom6132]] ([[User talk:Bloom6132|talk]]) 08:59, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' – referenced and ready. --[[User:BabbaQ|BabbaQ]] ([[User talk:BabbaQ|talk]]) 11:01, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' – Looks good to go. [[User:Hanamanteo|Hanamanteo]] ([[User talk:Hanamanteo|talk]]) 14:00, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Posted to RD'''. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082529">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T•</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">C</span>]]</sup> 14:41, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
== August 4 ==
{{cot|[[Portal:Current events/2021 August 4]]}}
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{{cob}}
==== (Posted) RD: Jean "Binta" Breeze ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Jean "Binta" Breeze<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.jamaicaobserver.com/latestnews/Jamaican_dub_poet_Jean_Binta_Breeze_has_died Jamaica Observer], [https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/aug/05/jamaican-dub-poet-jean-binta-breeze-dies-aged-65 The Guardian]<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = yes<!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Joofjoof <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = Proscribe,Joofjoof<!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt       = Jamaican [[dub poet]].<!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
| sign          = [[User:Joofjoof|Joofjoof]] ([[User talk:Joofjoof|talk]]) 12:45, 10 August 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
* pinging [[User:Stephen|Stephen]] and [[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]]. [[User:Joofjoof|Joofjoof]] ([[User talk:Joofjoof|talk]]) 00:50, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
* Long enough, with enough refs, no glaring problems. This wikibio seems to be '''READY for RD''' right now. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 01:01, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 03:24, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

==== (Posted) RD: R. Aravamudan ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = R. Aravamudan
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.wionews.com/india-news/r-aravamudan-one-of-isros-early-pioneers-and-tracking-telemetry-expert-no-more-403198 WION India]
| updated       = Yes
| nominator     = Ktin
| updaters      = 
| nom cmt       = India space scientist and engineer. Article is a start-class biography. Meets basic hygiene for homepage / RD.
| sign          = [[User:Ktin|Ktin]] ([[User talk:Ktin|talk]]) 23:35, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
}}
* Though long enough at 405 words, it seems a little thin as a wikibio -- it would be nice to know, apart from writing ''[[ISRO: A Personal History]]'', what he has achieved while carrying all those big titles. I am not sure if this is a deficiency that should hold this nom back. Otherwise, this is '''READY for RD'''. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 03:31, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' as fully sourced and although a short article it should be sufficient for our RD requirements [[User:Joseywales1961|<span style="color:green">''JW 1961''</span>]]<sup> [[User talk:Joseywales1961|<span style="color:#0000CD">''Talk''</span>]]</sup> 12:31, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 14:20, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

==== (Posted) RD: Karl Heinz Bohrer ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Karl Heinz Bohrer
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.spiegel.de/kultur/literatur/karl-heinz-bohrer-ist-tot-kritiker-und-literaturtheoretiker-gestorben-a-63e48b0f-92a3-45a2-ac90-d2f2cc84110f Spiegel], FAZ + others
| updated       = Yes
| nominator     = Gerda Arendt
| updaters      = Gerda Arendt
| nom cmt       = Thought-provoking intellectual in newspaper, magazine (as publisher and author), university professor in Germany and California, writer of autobiography - had a poor article and would still deserve more.
| sign          = [[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 15:00, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
}}
*'''Support''' But meets already minimum requirements. [[User:Grimes2|Grimes2]] ([[User talk:Grimes2|talk]]) 15:39, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - fully sourced and ready.--[[User:BabbaQ|BabbaQ]] ([[User talk:BabbaQ|talk]]) 18:08, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 18:10, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

==== (Posted) RD: Bobby Eaton ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       =  Bobby Eaton <!-- Do not wikilink -->
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.tsn.ca/beautiful-bobby-eaton-dead-at-62-1.1678097 TSN], [https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/us-sport/died-wrestler-bobby-beautiful-eaton-b1897722.html The Independent], [https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/bobby-eaton-tag-team-wrestling-star-dead-62-n1276047 NBC]
| updated       = Yes
| nominator     = InedibleHulk <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = McPhail
| nom cmt       = Good singles babyface, great tag heel, Featured Article.
| sign          = [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 19:54, 5 August 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
* '''Comment'''. Looks almost ready for homepage / RD. There are two tags for unreliable sources. {{ping|InedibleHulk}} please can you look at that? Once that is fixed, this is good to go to homepage / RD. RIP. [[User:Ktin|Ktin]] ([[User talk:Ktin|talk]]) 01:14, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
*:I'm not familiar with Tim Dills in particular, but the fact that Kayfabe Memories trusts him to cover Memphis in such depth speaks to his credibility. Not controversial claims, anyway. Would removing the tags sufficiently fix this? [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 02:03, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
*:{{u|MPJ-DK}} and {{u|ImmortalWizard}}, these tags are your business from two Februaries ago; any lingering doubts? [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 02:19, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
*:Well, pending a reason not to, I've fixed those tags. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 03:42, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
* '''Support'''. Looks good to go to homepage / RD. [[User:Ktin|Ktin]] ([[User talk:Ktin|talk]]) 15:12, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - sourced and looks good.[[User:BabbaQ|BabbaQ]] ([[User talk:BabbaQ|talk]]) 18:13, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 06:06, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

==== (Posted) RD: J. R. Richard ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = J. R. Richard
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.click2houston.com/sports/2021/08/05/houston-astros-legend-jr-richard-passes-away-at-age-71/]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Muboshgu <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt       = Featured article
| sign          = &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 17:03, 5 August 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Support''' as per the nomination. [[User:Rawmustard|rawmustard]] ([[User talk:Rawmustard|talk]]) 17:10, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
* '''Support'''. Article looks good. Added a couple of minor CN tags. {{u|Muboshgu}} please can you have them fixed. Should be relatively easy. Once that is done, this is good to go to homepage / RD. RIP. [[User:Ktin|Ktin]] ([[User talk:Ktin|talk]]) 18:19, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
*:{{u|Ktin}}, they're resolved. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 19:04, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
*{{re|Muboshgu}} ESPN says he died "Thursday" (Aug 5).[https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/31965916/houston-astros-icon-jr-richard-career-was-cut-short-stroke-1980-dies-age-71] However, the article currently says Aug 4 and in a hospital, neither of which is specified in the page's current citation.  This should be resolved.—[[User:Bagumba|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba|talk]]) 19:27, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
*:This source says Wednesday in hospital.[https://www.chron.com/sports/astros/article/Houston-Astros-pitcher-JR-Richard-dead-obituary-16366608.php]  Whichever is deemed more reliable, it should at least be consistent with the citation.—[[User:Bagumba|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba|talk]]) 19:39, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
*::I am not too close to the game. But, I did see a few other sources including a statement on MLB.com that referenced Wednesday, August 4th. So, I think the article has the date correct. [https://www.mlb.com/astros/news/j-r-richard-dies] [https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2021/08/05/jr-richard-houston-astros-dies-mlb/5498543001/] [[User:Ktin|Ktin]] ([[User talk:Ktin|talk]]) 19:49, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
::::{{u|Bagumba}}, it also seems to me that Aug 4 is correct and ESPN is incorrect. [https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/j-r-richard-former-houston-astros-all-star-pitcher-dies-at-71/ This source] says that the death was reported by the Astros today, though he died last night in a hospital, and I will switch to this source. ESPN is probably taking the day of the report to be the day of death. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 19:58, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Posted'''—[[User:Bagumba|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba|talk]]) 02:27, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

==== (Posted) 400m hurdles world record, update ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Sydney McLaughlin
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = New world records are set in [[Athletics at the 2020 Summer Olympics – Men's 400 metres hurdles|men's]] and [[Athletics at the 2020 Summer Olympics – Women's 400 metres hurdles| women's]] 400 metres hurdles by Norwegian '''[[Karsten Warholm]]''' and American '''[[Sydney McLaughlin]]'''.
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = NO
| nominator     = Kingsif <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator       = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt       = Wow, since Kevin is fundamentally against people doing the almost-certain at ITN and making a header clearer, proposing a better alt, on something he nominated, let's go for a decent blurb here. <br> Now, as noted below, this wasn't a particularly impressive record break, but on the other hand, it's 2 for 2 on 400m hurdles records.
| sign          = [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 14:39, 4 August 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*<strike>This should be at [[Wikipedia:Main Page/Errors]], not here. Suggest speedy close. [[Special:Contributions/108.41.218.218|108.41.218.218]] ([[User talk:108.41.218.218|talk]]) 16:29, 4 August 2021 (UTC)</strike>
*:What? It's not an error. This is the right venue for this. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Amakuru|contribs]]) </span>
:*Adding a new article requires people to check that article for ITN criteria. No error, no "simple" change. [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 17:05, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - But I do not support this blurb. Just add MacLaughlin into the current blurb and add her image and make it a trio.[[User:BabbaQ|BabbaQ]] ([[User talk:BabbaQ|talk]]) 18:04, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
:*At current that would be a bit long. Feel free to propose alts that don't take up half (if not more) of the box. [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 18:41, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
* '''Posted''' by adding to the existing blurb. I will repeat what I said in my edit summary - this entire blurb is somewhat arbitrarily (and perhaps unfairly) putting a spotlight on athletics and ignoring the other world records in other sports, so I question the entire approach of putting Olympic world records in this ITN box. - [[User:Fuzheado|Fuzheado]] &#124; [[User talk:Fuzheado|Talk]] 18:44, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''PULL''' How was this allowed to go AND get posted when it's a copy-paste of a nom below with 2 opposes? [[Special:Contributions/188.27.36.191|188.27.36.191]] ([[User talk:188.27.36.191|talk]]) 22:34, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
*:While your observations are interesting and may even be valid, without a preponderance of [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] discounting the world records, it would amount to [[WP:OR|original research]] to make a judgment to consider these world records as requiring special treatment in ITN. Now as to whether we should be taking this much blurb space ''at all'' for arbitrarily highlighting these world records, but not the ones in swimming or cycling, that is indeed a valid issue to bring up. For now, it is only logical and fair that either all three folks should be gone from the ITN box, or all three should exist. Putting only 2 of the 3 athletics world records, as it was previously, just doesn't make sense. -- [[User:Fuzheado|Fuzheado]] &#124; [[User talk:Fuzheado|Talk]] 01:30, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
:*Not a copy-paste when it's a different proposal with different scope. (And actually following ITN.) Fuzheado posted a variation on the blurb that has been discussed below; posting admin's prerogative is to assimilate responses, don't tell me you have issue with that. Importantly, discussion here was/is focused on the merit of adding McLaughlin, the point of the nom, rather than a debate on WR blurbs, which literally prefaced the nom below from a nominator who made it clear he didn't want article or blurb discussion to occur. But you knew that. [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 02:01, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
:For reference nobody seems to have addressed any issues here: ''[https://www.telegraph.co.uk/olympics/2021/08/04/super-spikes-super-tracks-super-talent-world-record-shattered/ Seems] that this new record was set WITH the "super spikes" that are reportedly a 1-1.5% bump over the old ones. Since this new decrease of .44 sec is by less than 1% of the old record (compared to the 1.6% for the men's one) and it is done WITH the new technology, this is definitely significantly less notable.  The magnitude of the men's hurdles one was the notability there, and the long-jump one was the age of the record, neither of which apply in this case.  Had this record been set outside of a competition with many records, this should have been posted, but can be skipped now.  Alternatively, can add the records article to the ongoing link on the bottom of ITN (alongside medal table one). ''
*'''More''' {{ping|Fuzheado}} has anybody checked the linked article for quality updates? There are 2 sentences in the intro with ZILCH coverage in the body of the BLP. [[Special:Contributions/188.27.36.191|188.27.36.191]] ([[User talk:188.27.36.191|talk]]) 22:40, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
*:The quality of the article was considered and it is fine. It could benefit from more additions but nothing is a show stopper. -- [[User:Fuzheado|Fuzheado]] &#124; [[User talk:Fuzheado|Talk]] 01:32, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Post-posting Support''' Makes sense to add this to the blurb about the other record being broken.[[User:Jackattack1597|Jackattack1597]] ([[User talk:Jackattack1597|talk]]) 11:09, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
:How many records are broken? Yet the biggest single event in 100m is not posted but 1  support gets posted?[[Special:Contributions/2A02:2A57:60AF:0:7931:FDE6:C873:15B2|2A02:2A57:60AF:0:7931:FDE6:C873:15B2]] ([[User talk:2A02:2A57:60AF:0:7931:FDE6:C873:15B2|talk]]) 13:25, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
:: Why did you not nominate it then?[[User:BabbaQ|BabbaQ]] ([[User talk:BabbaQ|talk]]) 13:28, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

==== (Closed) Milavče train collision ====
{{atop|No consensus to post. [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 01:08, 9 August 2021 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Milavče train crash<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| image         = Alex 223 066 Diesellok Siemens ER 20.jpg<!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = Three people are killed when two trains '''[[Milavče train crash|crash head-on]]''' (''locomotive involved pictured'') at [[Milavče]], Czech Republic<!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-58083778 (BBC)]<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = Yes<!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Mjroots <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator       = Mjroots<!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt       = <!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
| sign          = [[User:Mjroots|Mjroots]] ([[User talk:Mjroots|talk]]) 12:55, 4 August 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Wait''' Stub article that also somewhat contradicts itself: it suggests there is a definite cause for the collision, but also that an investigation has just been opened. We should wait for it be clear which of those is true (do they know why, or are they looking into it?) RS should hopefully clarify with a few more hours. [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 15:00, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' unless there's a criminal investigation, this isn't notable enough to be posted. [[User:Jim Michael|Jim Michael]] ([[User talk:Jim Michael|talk]]) 18:50, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
*:{{re|Jim Michael}} your wish has been granted. [https://ct24.ceskatelevize.cz/regiony/3350074-na-domazlicku-se-srazily-vlaky-desitky-lidi-jsou-zraneny Criminal investigation opened]. [[User:Mjroots|Mjroots]] ([[User talk:Mjroots|talk]]) 19:42, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' No longer stub and apparently criminal investigations are open now. [[User:Cindercat|Cindercat 🐱]] ([[User_talk:Cindercat|Want to talk?]]) 05:42, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Opppose''' -- it is unclear what significance this has, but it does not appear to be notable enough to be posted. -- [[User:Rockstone35|<span style="color:#DF0101"><b>Rockstone</b></span>]][[User talk:Rockstone35|<span style="color:0000ff;font-size:8px"><small><sup><b>[Send me a message!]</b></sup></small></span>]] 06:58, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
*:Significance - it's a major rail crash in a first world country. ITN getting dominated by Olympics stories. Well developed article with no issues. [[User:Mjroots|Mjroots]] ([[User talk:Mjroots|talk]]) 11:15, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
*::Doesn't seem major at all. A major rail crash would be one killing 10-20 or more, which unfortunately would not be unusual in certain countries. – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 12:13, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
*:::Perhaps percentage of a country's annual rail death toll would be a better metric for comparison? [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 12:28, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

*'''Comment''' It does seem to have had a fair amount of coverage in English language sources. Not sure it really has that much significance for the wider world. I think the [[Stonehaven derailment]] another train related incident with the same number of deaths was rejected from ITN for that reason last year. [[User:Llewee|Llewee]] ([[User talk:Llewee|talk]]) 12:18, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
*:The Stonehaven derailment discussion was closed as [[Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates/August 2020#(Closed) Stonehaven derailment|"no consensus"]]. But we're straying into the realms of [[WP:OSE]] here. As I have said before, there is no [[WP:MINIMUMDEATHS]] for a reason. Each article needs to be assessed on its own merits, at the time it is nominated. Nominating an article in my experience has a twofold purpose. Firstly, it gets more eyes on the article, and generally leads to improvement of said article. Secondly, it ''might actually get on the main page'', which again gets more eyes on the article. If it don't make the second stage, then its not the end of the world. [[User:Mjroots|Mjroots]] ([[User talk:Mjroots|talk]]) 12:30, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
::::<small>Oh, [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sonLd-32ns4 ''that''] happened in 1962 anyway. – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 12:54, 5 August 2021 (UTC)</small>
:::To be clear, we don't have a [[WP:MINIMUMDEATHS]] because an otherwise notable disaster is not completed mitigated by a low death count. However, the death count is often the most prominent factor in a disaster's significance. ''<small>[[User_talk:GreatCaesarsGhost|<span style="color:#938f8d">GreatCaesarsGhost</span>]]</small>'' 13:08, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
* '''Oppose''' – Lacks general significance. – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 12:52, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' I would also prefer we not post multiple Olympics stories, but that's not a legitimate reason to post other stories. ''<small>[[User_talk:GreatCaesarsGhost|<span style="color:#938f8d">GreatCaesarsGhost</span>]]</small>'' 13:08, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - I do not agree with the Opposing side here. Clear significance, deaths, rare event in the country, has received plenty of international coverage. Article is sourced and ready.[[User:BabbaQ|BabbaQ]] ([[User talk:BabbaQ|talk]]) 11:17, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
{{abot}}

====(Closed) More world records====
{{atop|Otherwise covered by Fuzheado's posting of combined blurb above. Redundant, limited, discussion. {{nac}} [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 18:49, 4 August 2021 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Athletics at the 2020 Summer Olympics
| blurb         = In [[Athletics at the 2020 Summer Olympics|Olympic athletics]], Venezuelan '''[[Yulimar Rojas]]''' breaks a 26-year-old world record in the [[Athletics at the 2020 Summer Olympics – Women's triple jump|women's triple jump]], and Norwegian '''[[Karsten Warholm]]''' and American '''[[Sydney McLaughlin]]''' set world records in the [[Athletics at the 2020 Summer Olympics – Men's 400 metres hurdles|men's]] and [[Athletics at the 2020 Summer Olympics – Women's 400 metres hurdles| women's]] 400 metre hurdles respectively. 
| sources       = [https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/02/sports/olympics/Karsten-Warholm-400-hurdles.html NYT], [https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/sports/athletics-warholm-destroys-world-record-win-400m-hurdles-gold-2021-08-03/ Reuters], [https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/aug/03/warholm-smashes-400m-hurdles-world-record-rai-benjamin-olympics-greatest-races-in-history Guardian], [https://olympics.com/tokyo-2020/en/news/norway-s-karsten-warholm-breaks-world-record-to-win-gold-in-men-s-400m-hurdles ] [https://www.si.com/olympics/2021/08/03/karsten-warholm-breaks-400m-hurdles-world-record-gold-medal-tokyo-olympics SI][https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/olympics/58082285][https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/aug/04/the-greatest-race-ever-part-ii-sydney-mclaughlin-wins-400m-hurdles-gold-in-world-record-time]
| updated       = yes<!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nom cmt       = Very similar levels of hype to those in response to Warholm's run; if that really is the way we are going (promoting one sport's records to ITN, totally disregarding historical achievements in others), then it seems only consistent to do this as well.
| sign          = [[User:Kevin McE|Kevin McE]] ([[User talk:Kevin McE|talk]]) 11:56, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
}}

* '''Comment/suggestion''': Can we have a cap on the number of these new records in the same blurb at the same time, please? Perhaps the most recent three? Just to avoid putting up bloated bullet-points on ITN. Thanks. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 12:56, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' May I suggest bumping Rojas out (back to individual blurb?) and having the 400m hurdlers in the same blurb. [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 13:00, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' I agree that it's better to combine the world records in 400 m hurdles in one blurb and keep Rojas in a separate one. We should also consider a new montage of Warholm's and McLaughlin's photos.--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 13:07, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
*{{u|Kevin McE}} Users unrelated to the nominator are allowed to propose alt blurbs; nominations are not the property of the nominator and unalterable by others, and adding an alt blurb does not suggest support by the nominator. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 13:21, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
::How then can it be allowed to appear without accreditation or being marked as distinct from my proposal in a section that has my name, and my name alone, attached to it?  [[User:Kevin McE|Kevin McE]] ([[User talk:Kevin McE|talk]]) 13:26, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
:::Users have proposed alt blurbs on the nominations of others for years and this is the first objection I've seen to it. Often discussions lead to such things and it is assumed that alt blurbs were not necessarily written by the nominator. My suggestion, if you are concerned that others will interpret the addition of an alt blurb as your suggestion, is that you make a statement saying that you do not support any suggested alt blurbs. Perhaps the nomination template can be tinkered with as well. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 13:34, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
::::Simple: it's not ''your'' proposal. The nominator's name is only there to give credit for bringing attention to the ''item'', which is what gets the bulk of pure !votes, with blurb wording always open to improvement, sometimes (often) even changed by the posting admin without discussion at all. [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 14:51, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
:::::Patent nonsense, a proposal made by me, in my name, is my proposal.  Why the incredibly rude tone from you on this page?  [[User:Kevin McE|Kevin McE]] ([[User talk:Kevin McE|talk]]) 16:28, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
::::::That's not true, and I've not been rude. ITN isn't a series of mini-autocracies, and I have merely tried to elucidate that. Wordily and firm, probably. You're making incorrect generalizations of a process you evidently don't understand and now are trying to "win" by saying I'm not nice to you. It's embarrassing. [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 18:44, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' [https://www.telegraph.co.uk/olympics/2021/08/04/super-spikes-super-tracks-super-talent-world-record-shattered/ Seems] that this new record was set WITH the "super spikes" that are reportedly a 1-1.5% bump over the old ones. Since this new decrease of .44 sec is by less than 1% of the old record (compared to the 1.6% for the men's one) and it is done WITH the new technology, this is definitely significantly less notable.  The magnitude of the men's hurdles one was the notability there, and the long-jump one was the age of the record, neither of which apply in this case.  Had this record been set outside of a competition with many records, this should have been posted, but can be skipped now.  Alternatively, can add the records article to the ongoing link on the bottom of ITN (alongside medal table one). [[Special:Contributions/188.27.36.191|188.27.36.191]] ([[User talk:188.27.36.191|talk]]) 13:35, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
* I'm going to suggest that for the purposes of the rest of the games that we do not try to suggest more WRs, and instead add a link to [[World and Olympic records set at the 2020 Summer Olympics]] in the ongoing line (eg "Olympics (medal table, world records)") That article seems to be reasonable sourced and in good shape. That will avoid this issue of us not featuring every WR set. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 13:38, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
:::And removing those already there?  And acknowledge that sports other than athletics exist? Radical: I like it.  [[User:Kevin McE|Kevin McE]] ([[User talk:Kevin McE|talk]]) 13:50, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
::::Maybe we should think about posting a box with links to multiple articles about the Olympics as we did for the COVID-19 pandemic last year. It's clear that the Summer Olympics are the main ongoing event in the world and the ongoing section cannot properly accommodate multiple links.--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 14:18, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
:::::The box for COVID was more as a attention-getting highlight because of its severity and that we felt the need that we wanted to do something to alert the readers of a global issue. Olympics is not of that severity, but we can add extra links to what are likely articles of high interest, which I agree include the medal table and WRs. I would propose a similar approach for any other ongoing where there is a subpage or two that would be a reasonable target article associated with the main ongoing event where that information isn't on the target page (eg when World Cup comes round, the tourney bracket structure if its not on the Cup's main page could be a possible target like this). --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 14:26, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
:::I came here to propose exactly what Masem just suggested. --[[User:LukeSurl|LukeSurl]]<sup>&nbsp;[[User Talk:LukeSurl|t]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/LukeSurl|c]]</sup> 14:19, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
::Wasn't that a suggestion at ITN talk, and completely shot down? [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 14:31, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
:::There was a suggestion to have sports icons alongside the Olympics to point to every single major event. That was shot down. But having a couple side links is completely reasonable given that we already have one (the medal table). --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 14:33, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
::::Ah, well, I'm sure that would be a separate ongoing nom. [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 14:39, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Strong oppose''' and, frankly, suggest close. Massively overloaded blurb, and the nominator has made it very clear that t[[WP:OWN|(his)]] nom is for that blurb wording alone, rather than for the ''item (i.e. event, i.e. bold article)'' - which ITN noms are supposed to be. I suggest Kevin, who also stuck this nom outside the date template until I fixed it, actually learn the ITN rules before trying it again. The rules which also say that items have to be nommed to get posted, so nobody is actively saying swimming and cycling can't be posted and he should stop whining about it. [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 14:39, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
{{abot}}
== August 3 ==
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==== (Posted) Ongoing: 2020 Olympics====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = 2020 Summer Olympics
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = 
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = add <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Jonas1015119 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator       = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
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| nom cmt       = Its now out of ITN, and I think it should be listed in some way. My proposal would be '''[[2020 Summer Olympics]] ([[2020 Summer Olympics medal table|medal table]])'''. I agree with the criticism of the [[ Chronological summary of the 2020 Summer Olympics]] article on this page, but linking to the medal table seems reasonable. Something similar should probably be standard procedure for future games, once the opening ceremony is no longer the top ITN item.<!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
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* '''Support''' - Seems like a good suggestion in my opinion.[[User:BabbaQ|BabbaQ]] ([[User talk:BabbaQ|talk]]) 17:35, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Article is in good shape and we're already late. [[User:Alsoriano97|_-_Alsoriano97]] ([[User talk:Alsoriano97|talk]]) 17:36, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Strong Support''' Long overdue - this should have been updated last week. There's no excuse or any valid argument against including this on the Ongoing section.
*'''Strong Support''' Such a major, worldwide, once-in-four(five)-years event should be added to Ongoing. The 2016 Summer Olympics were posted in Ongoing from the day it began. [[User:CosmicLycanroc|CosmicLycanroc]] ([[User talk:CosmicLycanroc|talk]]) 18:26, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
* '''Support'''. I like {{u|Jonas1015119}}'s suggestion of going with '''[[2020 Summer Olympics]] ([[2020 Summer Olympics medal table|medal table]])'''. [[User:Ktin|Ktin]] ([[User talk:Ktin|talk]]) 20:23, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
* '''Support'''. Seems a very simple solution to days of convoluted debate, accusation and and recrimination. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 20:26, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 21:50, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
*Such a shame that all the convoluted debate, accusation and recrimination couldn't have been answered with simple factual responses rather than endless and hopeless snide comments, but glad we got to a result that now re-shapes Ongoing.  I assume that {{U|Stephen}}, having posted this, will now update ITNR to account for this anomaly.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 21:55, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Pull''' a couple of HOURS AGO it was made clear that the original potential item: [[Chronological summary of the 2020 Summer Olympics]] had been fixed up.  This is a proper ONGOING item, and it's sad it's taken this long for all those complainants to fix it up, but it looks good enough now, and much more suitable that the article posted which is barely updated.  Change the target, good job someone here is doing the job of the whining massive, shout out to {{U|NormalPerson7}}, sadly surrounded by pseudo-comedians and users who literally do nothing here.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 22:05, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
*:You want a fact? The 2020 Summer Olympics are ongoing and the In The News box should state it as such. It really is that simple.
*:Please replace this curious smorgasbord of links (neither of which has consensus) with the timeline, which at least has some kind of ITNR pedigree.   [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 22:13, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
*:<small>I promise to do nothing here, as long as I can be called a [[Pseuds corner|pseudo-comedian]]. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 22:18, 3 August 2021 (UTC) 
*::I'm just glad I'm not a sports fan (except for snooker, of course). – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 22:25, 3 August 2021 (UTC)</small>
*:::No Martin, not a comedian at all.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 22:28, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
*::::<small>No, he's not is he. Poor SCA. You can still be a snooker-pseud though. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 22:39, 3 August 2021 (UTC) </small>
*:::::Please Martin, take a break, stop responding to everything I post.  It's bordering on bullying now.  I'm sure you can find something better to do than continually harass me.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 22:43, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
*:::[[User:Sca|Sca]], even the [[World Snooker Championship]] doesn't have the global impact of the Olympics, so it'll never get an "ongoing" slot. And I'm sure you're a real snooker fan, not a pseudo one as I suggested. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 07:59, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
:::::<small>Yes, I foam at the mouth, on cue, at the sight of an 8-ball. – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 22:26, 5 August 2021 (UTC)</small>
*'''Comment''' I agree that [[Chronological summary of the 2020 Summer Olympics]] is now well-referenced and ready for posting. That's the standard article we always post to document ongoing Olympics.--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 22:16, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support [[2020 Summer Olympics]], strong oppose the chronology page'''. The Olympics themselves are ongoing, while the chronology is just fluff. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 22:18, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
*:So let's change the ongoing criteria?  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 22:20, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
*::Not really. Just treat this as a special case. It does get its own mention at [[WP:ITNSPORTS]] after all, and we already have [[COVID-19 pandemic]] as a perennial Ongoing item which also isn't updated on a daily basis either. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 22:34, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
*:::Actually, to be accurate, the ITNSPORTS link says it was the ''timeline'' which was accepted for 2016.  The Covid article is a different matter altogether, it's not been updated properly and should be removed, but that's a red herring for this discussion. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 22:46, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
*::::I think what I'm saying here is that this is an appropriate case for [[WP:IAR]] to apply. The Olympics page isn't being updated daily (although actually it should be, but that's another matter) but it's the page that readers most want to see, by a significant margin. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 22:57, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
*Reinstating the '''pull''' as we have an ongoing timeline article which is properly updated and sourced.  Unless we're setting a '''new''' precedent here.   [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 22:27, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
** I am extremely certain it is not standard procedure for one unhappy editor to put "PULL" in a heading because they don't like something.  If it's an actual error you should ask for it to be pulled at [[WP:ERRORS]], otherwise you really must wait for at least one editor to agree with you, no? [[User:力]] (power~enwiki, [[User talk:力|<span style="color:#FA0;font-family:courier">π</span>]], [[Special:Contributions/力|<span style="font-family:courier">ν</span>]]) 22:28, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
***No, you don't get it.  There's no evidence this article meets the Ongoing update criterion.  We have timeline article (noted at [[WP:ITNR]]) which should go into ongoing, now it's been updated.  This article is not appropriate for "Ongoing".  I think you all know that.  Whether you are "extremely certain" or not.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 22:31, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
**** The "evidence" is the 8 editors above who have supported this.  I don't know or care what the Ongoing criterion are; there's certainly consensus that something about the Olympics should go there. [[User:力]] (power~enwiki, [[User talk:力|<span style="color:#FA0;font-family:courier">π</span>]], [[Special:Contributions/力|<span style="font-family:courier">ν</span>]]) 22:34, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
*****Yes, correct.  So the Ongoing criterion is now superseded.  You don't '''care''' about it, but fuck that guideline.  Glad the article which receives almost literally NO updates is now in the "Ongoing" section where "updates" are "continually" required.  Well played.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 22:36, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' this is definitively '''not''' what the ongoing targets were supposed to be about.  There's literally NOTHING in the target article about the ongoing events in the Olympic Games.  The choice of two articles, one about the games, and a repeat, the medal table, is utterly shambolic.  Neither give any indication as to the ongoing events and this project should be ashamed of this second-class choice, particularly in light of the work done on the timeline article.  Embarrassing and pointed, this is junk and sets a clear precedent for literally any event to be added to Ongoing without any kind of substantial or useful update to our readers.  Well done everyone, a proud moment.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 22:41, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
:*You're absolutely right. Full stop.--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 23:01, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

*'''Oppose''' quite conflicted here, as I appreciate the epic troll y'all are running on Rambling Man. But we shouldn't burn the whole project to the ground to do it. Just make fun of Thatcher or something. ''<small>[[User_talk:GreatCaesarsGhost|<span style="color:#938f8d">GreatCaesarsGhost</span>]]</small>'' 22:43, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

* May I make the suggestion that we add [[Chronological summary of the 2020 Summer Olympics]] to the Ongoing section just as well as the Medal table. They are all three part of the Olympics. I see no reason to Pull neither of the other two articles part of the Ongoing section though. [[User:BabbaQ|BabbaQ]] ([[User talk:BabbaQ|talk]]) 22:47, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
*There is zero reason to pull this, if we want to alter what is posted, we can do so. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 22:51, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
*:Thanks for your comments! [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 23:03, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
*Post the timeline (per ITNR).  Last chance saloon for me.  This has dramatically changed my view on what the community believes "Ongoing" is for.  We can now post things like the World Cup or the Euros because there's literally no updates to the articles in question, but "they're a big tournament".  We will remember.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 23:02, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
*:Sounds great! Glad we reached this solution.


* Ignoring everything else, I don't see why [[2020 Summer Olympics medal table]] would be preferred to [[Chronological summary of the 2020 Summer Olympics]], and would support swapping that for the second link. [[User:力]] (power~enwiki, [[User talk:力|<span style="color:#FA0;font-family:courier">π</span>]], [[Special:Contributions/力|<span style="font-family:courier">ν</span>]]) 23:01, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
:: In my opinion that article should be added to Ongoing as well, along with the Medal table with the 2020 Summer Olympics as the main article. This is the biggest Sporting event in the world. So having three articles at Ongoing for a few more days would make sense. [[User:BabbaQ|BabbaQ]] ([[User talk:BabbaQ|talk]]) 23:04, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Swap medal table for chronology'''. I'm not generally a fan of chronology articles (there's a very good reason the other item is [[COVID-19 pandemic]], not [[Timeline of the COVID-19 pandemic]]), but the chronology article here includes the winners of all the events, which is relevant in the newsy sense. I think the general Olympics article is the target readers more expect, though, so I would very much oppose removing that. Including two Olympics links is fine, but I wouldn't want to see more than that. <span style="color:#AAA"><small>&#123;{u&#124;</small><span style="border-radius:9em;padding:0 5px;background:#088">[[User:Sdkb|<span style="color:#FFF">'''Sdkb'''</span>]]</span><small>}&#125;</small></span> <sup>[[User talk:Sdkb|'''talk''']]</sup> 23:15, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Article has a continually updated medal table. Will China win? Stay tuned! [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 01:30, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' The ongoing section was originally created for having a link the Olympics and then was built up since then. Appropriate to continue having a link since various events are on subpages that can be reached by the existing link. Has a clear starting and end point, unlike the vast majority of other events on Ongoing. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082529">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T•</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">C</span>]]</sup> 03:27, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Horrible choice to now instead cram <u>two</u> Olympic items to ongoing because [[Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates/July_2021#Ongoing:_Summer_Olympics|the original proposal]] failed because [[Chronological summary of the 2020 Summer Olympics]], the single link typically posted, is now a bloated set of tables and an egregious violation of [[MOS:COLLAPSE]]. I'm not a slave to the "Olympic spirit" marketing machine to [[WP:IAR]] this <small>(though I am updating [[2020 United States men's Olympic basketball team]]).</small>—[[User:Bagumba|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba|talk]]) 06:06, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

* Time to Close this nom. There will be no consensus to remove or add anything. Now only some bickering remains.[[User:BabbaQ|BabbaQ]] ([[User talk:BabbaQ|talk]]) 08:18, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
*<strike>'''Pull''' not choice for me. [[Special:Contributions/114.125.233.94|114.125.233.94]] ([[User talk:114.125.233.94|talk]]) 10:31, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Pull chronological article only''' not choice for me but it must only main article can be posted as ongoing. [[Special:Contributions/116.206.35.25|116.206.35.25]] ([[User talk:116.206.35.25|talk]]) 10:37, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Pull''' Unless there are unexpected reasons to be posted it. [[Special:Contributions/202.67.42.35|202.67.42.35]] ([[User talk:202.67.42.35|talk]]) 10:44, 4 August 2021 (UTC)</strike>
** '''Three IP !votes from the same geoplace'''. Suspicious.[[User:BabbaQ|BabbaQ]] ([[User talk:BabbaQ|talk]]) 11:10, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
*** ... and only [[Indonesia|joint 40th]] in the medals table? [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 11:17, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
****Now stands unopposed at 46th place! [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 22:30, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
*****This is absolutely pointless.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 22:31, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per TRM. Surprised this hasn't been changed already given that the current situation goes against established policy. [[User:Effy Midwinter|Effy Midwinter]] ([[User talk:Effy Midwinter|talk]]) 20:40, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Pull''' not choice for me and please do not strike out my vote. [[Special:Contributions/2600:387:F:4013:0:0:0:8|2600:387:F:4013:0:0:0:8]] ([[User talk:2600:387:F:4013:0:0:0:8|talk]]) 18:58, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
*Participants here are invited to join a broader discussion at [[Wikipedia talk:In the news#The next Olympics: Appropriate article target(s) for ongoing items and other questions]]. <span style="color:#AAA"><small>&#123;{u&#124;</small><span style="border-radius:9em;padding:0 5px;background:#088">[[User:Sdkb|<span style="color:#FFF">'''Sdkb'''</span>]]</span><small>}&#125;</small></span> <sup>[[User talk:Sdkb|'''talk''']]</sup> 18:56, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

==== (Closed) World records ====
{{atop|Consensus will not develop to post. [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 03:41, 4 August 2021 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate|article=World and Olympic records set at the 2020 Summer Olympics|blurb='''[[World and Olympic records set at the 2020 Summer Olympics|New world records]]''' are established in [[Weightlifting at the 2020 Summer Olympics|weightlifting]], [[Cycling at the 2020 Summer Olympics|cycling]], [[Swimming at the 2020 Summer Olympics|swimming]], [[Rowing at the 2020 Summer Olympics|rowing]], [[Shooting at the 2020 Summer Olympics|shooting]] and [[Athletics at the 2020 Summer Olympics|athletics]] at the [[2020 Summer Olympics|Olympic Games]] in [[Tokyo]].| nom cmt       = There have been world records established in many sports, not just one. | sign          = [[User:Kevin McE|Kevin McE]] ([[User talk:Kevin McE|talk]]) 16:40, 3 August 2021 (UTC) }}
*'''Oppose''' lots of the cycling records are unreferenced.  The article lacks a suitable introduction.  Also, is the intention to extend this if records are beaten in other disciplines, to the point where it becomes the only news story in the ITN template?  Also, rowing (for example) lists them as "world best" not "world records", this nuance doesn't come across in the blurb, so it's misleading.  Either these are world '''records''' or they're not.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 17:18, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
: The official weightlifting records are all from 2018+, pre-2018.5 records became historical interest-only with a weight class rearrangement. [[User:Sagittarian Milky Way|Sagittarian Milky Way]] ([[User talk:Sagittarian Milky Way|talk]]) 17:22, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
::I was talking about rowing.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 17:24, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
::: Lengthen the blurb some more with '''''[[World and Olympic records set at the 2020 Summer Olympics|World records are set]]''' in [[Weightlifting at the 2020 Summer Olympics|weightlifting]], [[Cycling at the 2020 Summer Olympics|cycling]], [[Swimming at the 2020 Summer Olympics|swimming]], [[Shooting at the 2020 Summer Olympics|shooting]] and [[Athletics at the 2020 Summer Olympics|athletics]] at the [[2020 Summer Olympics|Tokyo Olympics]], along with world bests in [[Rowing at the 2020 Summer Olympics|rowing]].''? Why not alphabetical order? [[User:Sagittarian Milky Way|Sagittarian Milky Way]] ([[User talk:Sagittarian Milky Way|talk]]) 17:56, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' It's not really news that new world records are set during Summer Olympics because that always happens. The real news is when a world record is broken after a long period of time or by a significant margin.--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 17:43, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
::People always die and elections always have results too. [[User:Kevin McE|Kevin McE]] ([[User talk:Kevin McE|talk]]) 20:42, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
:::So we no longer need RD because we can post a blurb that links to [[deaths in 2021]] as a target article. Don't we?--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 20:59, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
::::Sure, as long as we can still argue there aren't enough sources. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 21:06, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
:::::I wouldn't be surprised if a nomination with a proposed blurb "Sportspeople '''[[List of 2020 Summer Olympics medal winners|win]]''' medals at the [[2020 Summer Olympics]]." arrives. And all such nominations come as a result of the reluctance to post the Olympics to ongoing.--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 21:23, 3 August 2021 (UTC) 
::::::"Sportspeople '''[[Competition#Competitive_sports|win]]''' medals at [[2020 Summer Olympics|a big event]]". A lot simpler, I think. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 21:31, 3 August 2021 (UTC) 
:::::::Yep, take a break now Martin, maybe a week or two.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 22:17, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
* '''Oppose''' too vague to be meaningful.  An "ongoing" for the Olympics is one thing, this is just silly.  What's next?  "'''Football matches''' occur in England, Germany, Spain, and France"? [[User:力]] (power~enwiki, [[User talk:力|<span style="color:#FA0;font-family:courier">π</span>]], [[Special:Contributions/力|<span style="font-family:courier">ν</span>]]) 20:44, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
*:What?  Football matches occur is not equivalent to world records are set.  I don't know, perhaps you're just testing us, this is patently absurd.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 21:56, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
{{abot}}

==== (Posted, Closed) 400m hurdles world record  ====
{{atop|Also closing this, based on further developments being covered - and blurb updated - in nom(s) above. Any blurb discussions can be had there, and WR ongoing and pull requests should get their own new noms. [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 19:23, 4 August 2021 (UTC) {{nac}}}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Karsten Warholm
| article2      = Athletics at the 2020 Summer Olympics – Men's 400 metres hurdles
| image         = File:Warholm Rojas.jpg
| blurb         = In athletics, '''[[Karsten Warholm]]''' sets a new world record in men's [[400 meter hurdles]] 
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb      = In [[athletics at the 2020 Summer Olympics]], '''[[Yulimar Rojas]]''' breaks a 26-year-old world record in the [[Triple jump world record progression#Women|women's triple jump]] and '''[[Karsten Warholm]]''' sets a new world record in men's [[400 metres hurdles]] ''(both pictured)''.
| altblurb2     = In athletics, Norwegian '''[[Karsten Warholm]]''' sets a new world record in men's [[400 meter hurdles]]
| sources       = [https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/02/sports/olympics/Karsten-Warholm-400-hurdles.html NYT], [https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/sports/athletics-warholm-destroys-world-record-win-400m-hurdles-gold-2021-08-03/ Reuters], [https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/aug/03/warholm-smashes-400m-hurdles-world-record-rai-benjamin-olympics-greatest-races-in-history Guardian], [https://olympics.com/tokyo-2020/en/news/norway-s-karsten-warholm-breaks-world-record-to-win-gold-in-men-s-400m-hurdles ] [https://www.si.com/olympics/2021/08/03/karsten-warholm-breaks-400m-hurdles-world-record-gold-medal-tokyo-olympics SI]
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| nom cmt       = New outlets use "smashes" "decimates" "pulverizes" "destroys" "crushes" "blazing" to describe the new achievement.  This record is 0.76 sec faster than the previous 46 second one, some 1.6% improvement -- equivalent to 0.15 sec improvement to Bolt's 100m dash. The silver medal guy also smashed the previous record. A month ago same guy broke the 29-year old record, but I don't recall that being posted.  Should be able to merge this into the existing athletics WR blurb which was "only" a 1% improvement.
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* I'd support merging the two athletics world records, it even gives us the opportunity to have a direct link to the Olympics in the blurb. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 08:27, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' simply because this is perhaps one of the most outstanding results in the history of athletics. It's extremely rare to see a race in which the first two athletes have run way better than the world record and 0.76 seconds in 400 m is really a huge margin.--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 08:39, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' agree with support rationale above. Just noting a few of the results in the table are unsourced (but happy to try and find some). Also not sure if this would get subsumed by the proposed "on-going" nomination (if that succeeds). [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 08:45, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' - we've already set a precedent by posting the triple jump, although I still think this is ridiculously unfair on the swimmers who set world records and weren't posted. So probably, as Tone says, let's fold this in to the triple jump story. And preferably add the swimming records too. That said, I don't think this is as surprising as the margin or the hyperbole above would suggest. Of course, the athletes today are strong, but comparing their times to those of the past is apples to oranges, as a result of changes in the spikes used on their boots.[https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2021/feb/22/super-spikes-seismic-shift-athletics-track-nike-air-zoom-victory-tokyo-olympics] &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 08:48, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
:*<small>I'm pretty sure the swimmers don't use spiked boots. Maybe just the [[Diving suit|diving]]? [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 08:55, 3 August 2021 (UTC) </small>
:*:<small>Perhaps some spiked goggles though? [https://images.internetstores.de/products//975629/02/98e327/TYR_Swimple_Spikes_Tie_Dye_Brille_Kinder_bunt%5B640x480%5D.jpg?forceSize=true&forceAspectRatio=true&useTrim=true] &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 09:22, 3 August 2021 (UTC)</small>
::*:I thought the pole vault record was the precedent. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 09:34, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
:*I'd like to see world records in other sports being posted but the problem is that no-one nominates them.--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 09:53, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
:* {{u|Amakuru}} The winner didn't use the new spikes (the 2nd place guy did). [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 22:23, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
*:*{{ping|Black Kite}} Ah OK, my bad then. That certainly makes the new record seem more spectacular. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 22:27, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Comment:''' i am reclutant to support it to be posted unless the blurb can be considered ITNR. But, the article is a good shape. [[Special:Contributions/36.77.94.77|36.77.94.77]] ([[User talk:36.77.94.77|talk]]) 10:59, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' and fold it in to the other WR.  This does need to be posted, though, because it's an astonishing destruction of the previous record. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 11:21, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support'''<s> New World Record. And a great one. Definitely for ITN.[[User:BabbaQ|BabbaQ]] ([[User talk:BabbaQ|talk]]) 12:21, 3 August 2021 (UTC) </s>
*'''Support''' good record, great from Warholm. No opinion on combining the athletics records into one blurb, but someone could montage their photos if that gets support. [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 12:49, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''  There have been many records set, in swimming, rowing, cycling and probably other sports as well: if we do not have the equanimity to mention all of them, mention none (i.e., pull triple jump too).  Otherwise we are declaring the POV that one Olympic sport is more important than others.[[User:Kevin McE|Kevin McE]] ([[User talk:Kevin McE|talk]]) 13:49, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
*:Would we also mention "records", set for the first time, at new events e.g. [[Triathlon at the 2020 Summer Olympics – Mixed relay|Mixed Triathlon Relay]] and [[Cycling at the 2020 Summer Olympics – Men's BMX freestyle|Freestyle BMX]]? Thanks. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 13:59, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
::*If it's an event that has history, like BMX (X-games), then that could get posted posted. New to Olympics doesn't matter, right? But setting a record in a new event shouldn't. I think I heard that the new triathlon event has been trialled before, but I don't know if that time was used to set the record? [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 14:17, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
:::*Sounds reasonable. The GB time of 1:23:41 for the Mixed Triathlon Relay is, of course, the current Olympic record. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 14:26, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
:*This is like claiming that not posting every death in RD is saying some people were more important than others when, simply, nobody nominated RDs that would have been posted. If you want to see every new record posted, it's on you to nominate them all. Of course, some ''record breaks'' are seen as more newsworthy (i.e. actually ITN) than others: long-held records, those broken by a big margin, and those in sports like track and field which are contested by people from lots of countries, are generally in the news much more than someone taking 0.001 second off their own record in a sport only their nation cares about. [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 14:17, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
::*<small>There's always hope for [[Caber toss|2024]], I guess. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 14:30, 3 August 2021 (UTC) </small>
:::*<small>Would that be in track and field or some new summer biathlon, I wonder. [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 16:19, 3 August 2021 (UTC)</small>
::::*<small>In the field, I suspect. Along with the [[Wild haggis|shooting]]. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 17:36, 3 August 2021 (UTC) </small> 
*'''Support''', as this world record is newsworthy. If you feel other world records being set are also newsworthy, feel free to nominate those, but don't oppose this one for that reason.[[User:Jackattack1597|Jackattack1597]] ([[User talk:Jackattack1597|talk]]) 14:57, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' and agree with the sentiments above that this is an "overhaul"-standard record-breaking effort. Much like those others which we've posted lately. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 16:13, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' this appears to have significant consensus to post, I marked it a while back but no willing admin yet.  Suggest this is dealt with expediently and then we'll see what happens with the plethora of other Olympic nominations, premature or otherwise.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 17:16, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per Kevin McE. It's the Olympic Games, didn't you all expect the world records to be broken? In the end, that this happens has a lesser impact on society than the personal one of the achiever. If we don't even have the Olympics ongoing, it's nonsense that we have to put on the Main Page every single record that is broken. It's not pragmatic, neither a Sports page. [[User:Alsoriano97|_-_Alsoriano97]] ([[User talk:Alsoriano97|talk]]) 17:22, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
*:Nobody (other than Kevin) is suggesting we link to every record broken.  Just those which are ''significantly'' broken, whether that be by a notable margin or from a notable period of time.  We don't '''have to put on the Main Page every single record that is broken''', self-evidently that hasn't happened.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 17:26, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
:*You severely overestimate how many world records are broken at the Olympics, they're not gold medals. There's probably an article somewhere comparing world records and Olympic records. If you want to oppose with the argument that breaking a world record is something that is "just personal for the achiever", well, should no awards ever be posted? There's a lot of ITN/R gone... [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 17:45, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' the blurb that is proposed currently. The most notable and important thing about this event is that both the gold '''and''' silver medallist set a time that was quicker than the existing world record. This a very rare occurence and that is what the blurb should deal with.[[User:Tvx1|T]][[User Talk:Tvx1|v]][[Special:Contributions/Tvx1|x]]1 17:40, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
:*That makes this world record more outstanding but I disagree that a blurb should mention it. The second fastest time, albeit significantly better than the previous world record, is not a world record itself. I prefer including the exact margin in the blurb instead of this.--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 17:45, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
::*I don’t care about the individual merits of the second time. It’s about the event as whole. If you want to highlight this sport event in the in the news section, than it needs to convey the key elements why it is notable. And both the winner and the runner-up setting a time quicker than the existing world record is a key element of this event.[[User:Tvx1|T]][[User Talk:Tvx1|v]][[Special:Contributions/Tvx1|x]]1 19:19, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
:::*I understand your point but the news is the world record and that's what should be included in the blurb. The results of the other athletes, including the time of the runner-up and the total of six national records set, should find their place in the [[Athletics at the 2020 Summer Olympics – Men's 400 metres hurdles#Summary|race summary]], which is indeed the case because the summary is very well written and captures all relevant details about the race.--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 20:01, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
:::*The nom isn't for "400 m hurdles event". And even if it were, a blurb cannot mention every notable aspect of the event. Compare it to awards ceremonies: merely happening is deemed blurbworthy, and by tradition our blurbs mention the top result, even if something interesting happened in a different part. [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 20:10, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
::::*Again, I don’t care about the unique merits of the other athletes. I’m referring to the combined achievement of the first two. It’s that unique achievement which is actually in the news. It’s not some detail and did not happen in a different part of the race. It’s the most important event of it.[[User:Tvx1|T]][[User Talk:Tvx1|v]][[Special:Contributions/Tvx1|x]]1 10:24, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Strong Support''' - Changing my stance to strong support. This is indeed an "overhaul"-standard record-breaking effort. [[User:BabbaQ|BabbaQ]] ([[User talk:BabbaQ|talk]]) 18:51, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' I would be ok with merging it into the triple jump story, but oppose a separate blurb, as with the Olympics looking set to be added to Ongoing as well, that's enough representation of the games on ITN I think. [[User:Pawnkingthree|Pawnkingthree]] ([[User talk:Pawnkingthree|talk]]) 20:53, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' still confused as to why this hasn't been posted.  It has community consensus to do so.  Are admins now making personal choices on what to promote, based on the fact that a newer item has been posted since this was ready to go?  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 21:58, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
*<s>'''Oppose'''. We have the Olympics Ongoing handle now to cover all the twists and turns. Pull the triple jump too. As Kevin McE says (and I said below) there are numerous records being set, and we shouldn't editorialise which ones we post. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 22:11, 3 August 2021 (UTC)</s>
::We literally "editorialize" everything we post. Why one plane crash and not another? Why one death and not another? Are they all nommed, and after the nom, it's a democracy, people vote. If they vote for one record and not another with sensible reasoning, so be it. If this is in the news and not another record, all the more reason to "editorialize", a word you're incorrectly using in place of "fulfilling the ITN goals". [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 22:19, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
:::Fine. Oppose withdrawn. '''Support double blurb''' though. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 22:32, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 22:12, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
*:<s>{{ping|Stephen}} OK why? There's no consensus here whatsoever. Please pull. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 22:15, 3 August 2021 (UTC)</s>
*::I'd say there's strong support for posting this.  What did I miss?  The oppose seems to be "meh, stop posting world records", the support seems to be "wow, highly publicised world record smash which is strongly in the news and for which we have an article".  What did I miss? [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 22:19, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
*:::That there’s no consensus on what the blurb should contain.[[User:Tvx1|T]][[User Talk:Tvx1|v]][[Special:Contributions/Tvx1|x]]1 10:24, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
:*{{ping|Stephen}} Comments seem to indicate a preference for a double-blurb; in any case, discussion should continue on that even though it's been posted. [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 22:21, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' this had strong consensus to post.  Not sure how that can be denied. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 22:25, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
*:A combined blurb would be a better reflection of all the comments here. [[User:Pawnkingthree|Pawnkingthree]] ([[User talk:Pawnkingthree|talk]]) 22:28, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
{{abot}}

==== (Posted) Ongoing: 2021 Taliban offensive ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = 2021 Taliban offensive<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = add <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
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| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Sherenk1 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator       = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters      = Viewsridge<!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt       = Ongoing, look to capture major cities.<!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
| sign          = [[User:Sherenk1|Sherenk1]] ([[User talk:Sherenk1|talk]]) 02:56, 3 August 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}

*'''Comment''' I nominated this article two weeks ago and it didn't go anywhere. The nomination will probably have more support after one of the provincial capitals falls [[User:Scaramouche33|Scaramouche33]] ([[User talk:Scaramouche33|talk]]) 07:22, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' proseline, wall of reactions. Nominate for a blurb when something significant happens. --[[User:LaserLegs|LaserLegs]] ([[User talk:LaserLegs|talk]]) 10:44, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
* '''Comment''' – UN says 40 killed in [https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-58068299 fighting] over [[Lashkargah]]. – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 12:20, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' the news seems to think that the bulk of fighting is in Lashkar Gah and it's getting bad. If they take Helmand province, that would be the blurb. Pending article update, of course. [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 12:51, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
*:Well, these place names don't mean much to most English speakers, I'm afraid, so I guess we'd be back (at least partly) to weighing the death toll. BTW, that BBC story did say 40 ''civilians'' killed. – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 14:00, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Wait'''. I am convinced that this will be blurb-worthy when the Taliban take Kandahar city (or Kabul, but that seems further away). Re-nominate for a blurb when that happens. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 15:59, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
*:Maybe. Kandahar (pop.: 650,000) is at least somewhat more familiar to English speakers. – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 18:55, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' We posted the "peace agreement" which was understood by all as ceding the country to the Taliban. I have no objection to a second blurb when the job is done, but we don't need to post each territorial gain any more than we need to cite that the sky is blue. ''<small>[[User_talk:GreatCaesarsGhost|<span style="color:#938f8d">GreatCaesarsGhost</span>]]</small>'' 01:25, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' It's a process, clearly ongoing, citations look adequate (and I know these places from 25 years of exclusively English news, for whatever that's worth). [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 01:48, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' The Taliban now control the majority of Afghanistan. They [[August 2021 Kabul attack|attacked]] [[Kabul]] on 3 Aug. [[User:Jim Michael|Jim Michael]] ([[User talk:Jim Michael|talk]]) 18:56, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' I imagine that {{xt|by 21 July, half of Afghanistan was under Taliban control}} qualifies as "something significant".  And of course all this on the back of the US and other nations announcing they will be withdrawing their forces from NATO's involvement there.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 19:00, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' As it's not a blurb, the minimal update for August seems satisfactory. [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 20:53, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 00:07, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
::{{ping|Stephen}} can we keep the COVID-19 link left justified in "ongoing" since it's going to be there for another 2 or 3 years it makes sense to keep it in the same place. --[[User:LaserLegs|LaserLegs]] ([[User talk:LaserLegs|talk]]) 20:58, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
* '''Post-posting comment''' – Seems to be on the boil, with three key towns taken. [https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/8/8/taliban-captures-third-provincial-capital-in-three-days] [https://apnews.com/article/afghanistan-a3fb2c3463cc61d45fdc013adfede6bd] [https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-58135148] [https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2021/aug/05/fleeing-the-taliban-afghans-met-with-rising-anti-refugee-hostility-in-turkey] [https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/taliban-capture-government-buildings-afghan-city-kunduz-2021-08-08/] – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 12:28, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
== August 2 ==
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{{Portal:Current events/2021 August 2}}
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====(Posted) RD: Dave Severance====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Dave Severance
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/04/us/dave-severance-dead.html ''The New York Times'']
| updated       = yes
| nominator     = Bloom6132
| updaters       = Bloom6132
| nom cmt       = 
| sign          = [[User:Bloom6132|Bloom6132]] ([[User talk:Bloom6132|talk]]) 10:01, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
}}
*'''Support''' – Sourced and ready. Looks good to go.--[[User:BabbaQ|BabbaQ]] ([[User talk:BabbaQ|talk]]) 11:21, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 17:57, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

==== (Posted) RD: George Forss====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = George Forss
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/02/nyregion/george-forss-dead.html ''The New York Times'']
| updated       = yes
| nominator = Bloom6132
| updaters      = Bloom6132
| nom cmt       = Only reported today (August 2); died on July 17.
| sign          = —[[User:Bloom6132|Bloom6132]] ([[User talk:Bloom6132|talk]]) 09:02, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
}}
* '''Support''' - Looks good to go.--[[User:BabbaQ|BabbaQ]] ([[User talk:BabbaQ|talk]]) 18:12, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 03:46, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

==== (Closed) Chronological summary of the 2020 Summer Olympics ====
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| article       = Chronological summary of the 2020 Summer Olympics
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
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| nominator     = 331dot <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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| sign          = [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 19:04, 2 August 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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*<s>'''Oppose'''</s> as before, target article is poorly cited, missing dozens if not scores of references.  Nothing appears to have changed since the first nomination which was closed with consensus against this.  This re-nomination without any attempt to resolve the previous issues is decidedly a failure of [[WP:POINT]] and I am (not) shocked that an admin would stoop to this. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 19:08, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
*:The previous discussion (just prior to closure) can be found [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates&oldid=1035170449 here].  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 19:25, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' the Olympics really needs to be in ongoing.  If not this article, something else needs to go up. [[User:NorthernFalcon|NorthernFalcon]] ([[User talk:NorthernFalcon|talk]]) 19:12, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
*:Ongoing articles need to be updated as the event progresses (indeed, per the ITN instructions, {{xt| The purpose of the ongoing section is to maintain a link to a continuously updated Wikipedia article...}}).  The timeline was used for the 2016 games as it was the only one summarising the events.  This article is currently not fit for the main page (as per the community consensus discussion last time round, a week or so back, sadly nothing has changed).  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 19:16, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
*Even if we can't post the article that was mistakenly posted before, I agree with {{u|NorthernFalcon}} above, and invite others to make other suggestions here. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 19:32, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
*:For an Ongoing entry, it must comply with the requirements noted above.  The only 2020 Olympics article to do that is the one you yourself have nominated for Ongoing.  I assume you knew that when you made the nomination.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 19:36, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
*::Thanks for your comments. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 19:44, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
*:I'm astounded that the Tokyo Olympics still isn't listed as "Ongoing". This must be fixed. I think it should simply say "2020 Summer Olympics" and link to this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Summer_Olympics . I don't see a single reason why that should not be implemented.<!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/24.80.7.130|24.80.7.130]] ([[User talk:24.80.7.130#top|talk]]) 21:23, 2 August 2021 (UTC)</small>
*::No single reason other than completely ignoring the criterion for Ongoing items as noted above.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 21:27, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
*::Forgive my ignorance - where is the criterion? Having trouble finding it. I'm just in disbelief that a consensus hasn't been reached when such a simple, uncontroversial, objectively correct implementation is right in front of us.<!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/24.80.7.130|24.80.7.130]] ([[User talk:24.80.7.130#top|talk]]) 21:37, 2 August 2021 (UTC)</small>
*:::Well, the relevant text is noted above, but see [[WP:ITN]].  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 21:38, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
*:::Thanks - I think the article checks out, as the medal table is regularly getting updated. In any case, it is objectively correct to state that "2020 Summer Olympics" is ongoing and it would confuse or upset absolutely nobody to have it included in the box.<!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/24.80.7.130|24.80.7.130]] ([[User talk:24.80.7.130#top|talk]]) 21:47, 2 August 2021 (UTC)</small>
*'''Oppose''' We cannot be seriously considering this in the current state.   ''<small>[[User_talk:GreatCaesarsGhost|<span style="color:#938f8d">GreatCaesarsGhost</span>]]</small>'' 22:18, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
::I opened this because I felt the discussion below was closed prematurely; there is clearly a desire to post something.  It doesn't have to be this, there's good reasons to not post this as it is now; an IP user made a suggestion above.  But we are missing the boat here and should do something. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 22:24, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
:::Incorrect.  The discussion below had served its purpose to remove a sub-standard article without consensus from the main page.  You then prematurely re-opened this nomination with the same article in the same sub-standard condition.  "Do something" == fix the poor state of the article you have nominated, and feel free to do that. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 06:15, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
::::Thanks for your comments. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 08:00, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' putting the chronological summary as Ongoing, both per above qualify concerns, and also because it's the wrong article to be showcasing. As evidenced by page view statistics,[https://pageviews.toolforge.org/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&redirects=0&range=latest-10&pages=2020_Summer_Olympics|Chronological_summary_of_the_2020_Summer_Olympics] the page that readers are seeking is the main Olympics page, not a poorly structured data dump which receives 50 times fewer hits than its parent. Currently, [[2020 Summer Olympics]] has some orange tags and has not been fully updated with latest info, but I wouldn't be opposed in principle to posting that one to ongoing if someone sorts it out. Not the chronological summary though. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 07:40, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
:*I also don't see what's wrong with using [[2020 Summer Olympics]]. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 07:50, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
* Oppose that article, just put [[2020 Summer Olympics]] up there, its currently a glaring omission. <b style="border:1px solid #0800aa"> [[User:Nixinova|Nixinova]] </b> <b style="border:1px solid #006eff"> [[User talk:Nixinova|T]] </b> <b style="border:1px solid #00a1ff"> [[Special:Contribs/Nixinova|C]] </b>  07:52, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' for those requesting [[2020 Summer Olympics]] to be posted as Ongoing, can they demonstrate what aspects of that article (currently maintenance-tagged) beyond the medal table are being regularly updated to comply with the basic requirement of Ongoing items? [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 09:37, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
:*'''Question''' Is that "needs additional citations" template, in the "Sports" section, in the right place? That section looks very well sourced. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Martinevans123|contribs]]) </span> 10:03, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
::*I assume it relates to the latter part of that section which is entirely unreferenced.  And what part of this article meets the Ongoing requirement?  Just the medal table? [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 11:52, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
:::*But only the "Number of athletes by National Olympic Committee" subsection is "entirely unreferenced"? [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 12:10, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
::::*That's what I said.  But no-one's answering the question on what's being updated here for it to qualify as an "ongoing" event.  If we want to remove the requirement for continual updates, that's another debate.  The medal table?  Amaze.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 15:05, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
:::::*The medal table is sourced to [https://olympics.com/tokyo-2020/olympic-games/en/results/all-sports/medal-standings.htm this]. Are you saying that's inappropriate, or just amazing? [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 15:19, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
::::::*I didn't say the medal table was unsourced.  Good grief. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 15:45, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
:::::::*So what did you say? Thanks. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 15:52, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
::::::::*You can read for yourself.  I'm still waiting for an answer to the question "what aspect of the article is receiving updates that complies with the basic requirement of "Ongoing""?  I guess if we're now down to just the medal table, this will impact future "ongoing" nominations where just a "number of deaths" (for example) will need to be updated to keep something in there.  If that's what the consensus agrees, fine by me, meanwhile I still oppose this nomination (as a woefully under-referenced article is being knowingly proposed) and the alt-"nomination" (which has practically zero updates being applied).  Now feel free to find something else to do.  Thanks.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 16:00, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
:::::::::*It's not "woefully under-referenced." That template seems unjustified. I'm also unclear what it means for an article to be "continually updated". [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 16:09, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
::::::::::*I didn't place the tag.  I didn't invent the Ongoing requirement.  Take it up with those that did.  Thanks. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 16:14, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
:::::::::::*Sorry, I'm no longer clear which article you're talking about. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 16:19, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
::::::::::::*Never mind Martin, take a break.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 16:28, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' I am saying the following without any prejudice to quality concerns, but I am under the impression that if the opening ceremony has occurred and the closing ceremony hasn't concluded yet, then the Olympics are considered "ongoing" and therefore common sense prevails there. Therefore, the article for the '''[[2020 Summer Olympics]] is sufficient''' for ongoing during its occurrence after the opening ceremony rolls off. This should have been a precedent for at least 15 years now, sheesh. We're doing the same thing with the COVID pandemic article, albeit indefinitely. At least the Olympics is a two week span. So its obviously ongoing and is a major news spectacle. [[User:DrewieStewie|DrewieStewie]] ([[User talk:DrewieStewie|talk]]) 16:21, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
*:Okay that's fine.  The only question is, what aspects of the article (beyond the medal table) are being updated as the event progresses, or do we not need to do that for this one special event?  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 16:28, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
*::{{u|The Rambling Man}}, I think the real thing regarding the olympics is that unlike other “ongoing” candidates, it’s a recurring sports item that lasts two weeks every 2 years and is international in scope. This poses unique circumstances as there aren’t any (at least to my knowledge) comparable events that end up on ongoing. It’s not like we do that for the World Series, Stanley Cup, or NBA Finals. So the Olympics is an outlier, and as it’s subject to consensus, my opinion is that for this one special event, the medal table being updated and it being within the dates is sufficient to signify ongoing. [[User:DrewieStewie|DrewieStewie]] ([[User talk:DrewieStewie|talk]]) 16:38, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
*:::Ok, and thank you for being the first person here out of everyone (including the nominator!) to answer my question.  If the community are happy with an updated medal table, and the unreferenced material can be referenced, then sure thing.  We'll need another footnote at ITNR describing ''yet another'' exception for this edition of the Olympics of course, but that's easy enough.  I don't believe that, given we have a "timeline" article which is being updated but not referenced, that we should just cop-out and post an article which provides almost literally no detail on the ongoing events, and will still oppose, but thanks for at least explaining the rationale behind your own support, I appreciate it.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 16:46, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
*:::[[User:DrewieStewie|DrewieStewie]] what about [[Winter Olympic Games]], [[FIFA World Cup]], [[UEFA European Championship|Euros]], etc? Thanks. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 17:00, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
*::::{{u|Martinevans123}}, I included the Winter Games in my argument (2 weeks every 2 years is inclusive of winter games). As for World Cup and Euros, I suppose they work too. It probably would be easier to gain consensus on a World Cup as that is global rather than continental, though the Euros shouldn’t have much trouble either. The olympics seemed to be a more sure bet given it’s scope and it being inclusive of various sports, but the futbol World Cup and euros should do too. I am not opposed to those either. [[User:DrewieStewie|DrewieStewie]] ([[User talk:DrewieStewie|talk]]) 17:34, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
*:::::Cool beans. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 17:37, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' It might be too late now (given [[2020 Summer Olympics]] is being discussed), but I have added references for everything on [[Chronological summary of the 2020 Summer Olympics]], so that article no longer has references problems. I don't have an opinion on which one of the two articles is the better main page candidate. &mdash; '''[[User:NormalPerson7|NormalPerson7]]''' ([[User talk:NormalPerson7|talk]]) 17:55, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
*:Very well done, [[User:NormalPerson7|NormalPerson7]]. A good outcome, even if nothing gets posted. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 21:04, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' great work {{U|NormalPerson7}}, much appreciated.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 22:07, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
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====(Removed) Chronological summary of the 2020 Summer Olympics====
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{{ITN candidate
| article       = Chronological summary of the 2020 Summer Olympics<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = rem <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = The Rambling Man <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator       = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters      = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt       = <!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
| sign          = [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 17:43, 2 August 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
This has been added with the "roll-off" of the opening ceremony but the discussion to include this as an "ongoing" item ended with [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates&oldid=1035170449 opposition].  If I missed the community consensus agreeing to adding this very poor article to the main page once the opening ceremony rolled off, could I be pointed to it please?  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 17:40, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
* I guess I remembered it wrong or didn't follow that particular discussion, I thought this was non-controversial. I leave it to the community to decide whether to keep it or pull it. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 18:14, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
*:You should revert your edit.  I've given you the evidence of the community discussion on this matter above.  There was no consensus anywhere at any point that when the opening ceremony rolled off we should post the timeline as ongoing.  Not a shred.  Please do the right thing now.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 18:17, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
*What's the criterion for a "very poor article"? Thanks. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 18:18, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
*:Amongst other things, one where a considerable portion of the information is unverified. I think you know that, having seen your work on RDs with discographies where all entries are required to be cited.  As you can clearly see, this article has dozens of results without citation.  Hope that clears thing up for you.  Thanks.   Also, there was no consensus ''anywhere'' to post this after the opening ceremony rolled off.  As you know.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 18:22, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
*::Yes, RD seems to need to have '''everything''' cited, not just a considerable portion. Perhaps they just start off as "poor". [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 18:29, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
*:::Whatever, the standard is to not target articles which aren't pretty much comprehensively verifiable.  Anyway, this is irrelevant.  The previous attempt to nominate this very article for ongoing ended in a consensus against it.  Of course, as you're so keen, re-nominate it and, as you note, you could always fill in the missing hundred or so references.  Thanks. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 18:31, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
*::::Thanks for the offer of all that help. Perhaps you think there is a more suitable target article? [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 18:38, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
*:::::No, there isn't.  Thanks.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 18:41, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
:: Removed for the time being. Let's have a discussion instead whether we should have it or not. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 18:24, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
:::As noted, that will need to be a new "ongoing" nomination which will supersede (or concur with) the previous ongoing nomination where there was consensus directly ''against'' posting this subs-standard article.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 18:25, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
::: Yes, a good idea. Looks like the ideal candidate. Perhaps people will help to improve it. Radical thought, I know. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 18:27, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
*{{u|Tone}} Thanks for addressing the honest mistake. I don't think there is a bureaucratic need for a separate nomination, it can be discussed here. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 18:34, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
*:No, a new heading needs to be used, this is a "removal" nomination.  Good grief.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 18:41, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
:*Looks like it's time to close this one, as it's been "pulled" and marked as such. Who needs bureaucracy when you can have pedantic bureaucracy. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 18:55, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
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== August 1 ==
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====(Posted) RD: Kazimierz Kowalski====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Kazimierz Kowalski
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.polishnews.co.uk/kazimierz-kowalski-is-dead-the-opera-singer-died-at-the-age-of-70/ polishnews.co.uk] + many in Polish
| updated       = yes
| nominator     = Gerda Arendt
| updaters      = Gerda Arendt
| nom cmt       = Polish opera and entertainment singer, manager of the Lodz Opera, radio and tv presenter, founder of a festival and a chamber opera, - and had no article until today. - Many more Polish sources in the Polish version, if someone has time.
| sign          = [[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 14:05, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
}}
*'''Support''' length ok, sourced. [[User:Grimes2|Grimes2]] ([[User talk:Grimes2|talk]]) 14:41, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 00:01, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

==== (Posted) RD: Paul Cotton====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Paul Cotton
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://1430wcmy.com/2021/08/02/longtime-poco-singer-guitarist-paul-cotton-dead-at-age-78/ WCMY]; [https://ultimateclassicrock.com/paul-cotton-poco-dies/ ''Ultimate Classic Rock'']; [https://www.legacy.com/news/celebrity-deaths/paul-cotton-1943-2021-guitarist-with-poco/ Legacy.com]
| updated       = yes
| nominator     = Bloom6132
| updaters       = Bloom6132
| nom cmt       = 
| sign          = [[User:Bloom6132|Bloom6132]] ([[User talk:Bloom6132|talk]]) 03:49, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
}}
*'''Weak support''' Slim but referenced and meets minimum standards. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082529">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T•</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">C</span>]]</sup> 03:27, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - sourced and ready.[[User:BabbaQ|BabbaQ]] ([[User talk:BabbaQ|talk]]) 18:09, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
*{{re|Stephen|PFHLai}} I think this is ready to go now. —[[User:Bloom6132|Bloom6132]] ([[User talk:Bloom6132|talk]]) 02:17, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
* '''Posted''' --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 02:20, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

==== (Posted) RD: Eddie Presland====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Eddie Presland
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [https://www.whufc.com/news/articles/2021/august/03-august/former-west-ham-united-defender-eddie-presland-passes-away-age ''West Ham United'']
| updated       = yes
| nominator =Pharaoh of the Wizards
| updaters      = 
| nom cmt       = West Ham football defender and Essex cricketer
| sign          = [[User:Pharaoh of the Wizards|Pharaoh of the Wizards]] ([[User talk:Pharaoh of the Wizards|talk]]) 22:02, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
}}
*'''Support''' - Sourced, Start class, looks good to go.--[[User:BabbaQ|BabbaQ]] ([[User talk:BabbaQ|talk]]) 18:11, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Posted''': A bit slim, but okay for RD. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 22:56, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

==== (Posted) Triple jump world record  ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Yulimar Rojas
| image         = File:Yulimar Rojas - Triple saut Femmes (48614911652) (cropped).jpg
| blurb         = In athletics, '''[[Yulimar Rojas]]''' sets a world record in [[triple jump]] at 15.67 m.
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb      = In athletics, '''[[Yulimar Rojas]]''' sets a world record in [[Athletics at the 2020 Summer Olympics – Women's triple jump|women's triple jump]] at 15.67 m.
| altblurb2     = In athletics, '''[[Yulimar Rojas]]''' sets a world record in [[Athletics at the 2020 Summer Olympics – Women's triple jump|women's triple jump]] at 15.67{{nbsp}}m, taking gold in the event.
| altblurb3     = In athletics, '''[[Yulimar Rojas]]''' sets a world record in [[Athletics at the 2020 Summer Olympics – Women's triple jump|women's triple jump]] at 15.67{{nbsp}}m, taking [[Olympic medal|gold]] in the event.
| altblurb4     = In athletics, '''[[Yulimar Rojas]]''' breaks a 26-year old world record in [[Athletics at the 2020 Summer Olympics – Women's triple jump|women's triple jump]]
| sources       = [https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/aug/01/yulimar-rojas-makes-olympic-history-for-venezuela-with-triple-jump-gold ''The Guardian''], [https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/olympics/58049379 BBC], [https://olympics.com/tokyo-2020/en/news/venezuela-s-rojas-takes-gold-and-breaks-world-record-in-the-women-s-triple-jump- olympics.com], [https://www.eurosport.co.uk/athletics/tokyo-2020/2021/tokyo-2020-olympics-magnificent-yulimar-rojas-breaks-triple-jump-world-record-with-incredible-gold_vid1517959/video.shtml Eurosport]
| updated       = yes<!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Tone <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator       = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters      = Kingsif
| nom cmt       = Here we go, breaking of a world record that has stood since 1995. ITNR. There is also a dedicated event article, [[Athletics at the 2020 Summer Olympics – Women's triple jump]], but I am not sure how to write a blurb with all the links and avoid easter eggs.
| sign          = '''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 18:07, 1 August 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Comment''' The athletics article is a bit messy and is written like emphatic commentary, but I've been updating Rojas' article since the win. A bit of ref clean-up and it should be really good. I'll probably check back with a support when I'm done. [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 20:01, 1 August 2021 (UTC) To add: disappointed to see objections solely based on users' personal views that triple jump isn't as important as 100m, an argument that wouldn't hold water in other noms. [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 21:31, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Question'''. Where is this listed in ITNR? [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 20:06, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
*I don't see anything like this at [[WP:ITN/R]]. --[[User:Bongwarrior|Bongwarrior]] ([[User talk:Bongwarrior|talk]]) 20:07, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
* I thought we didn't post world records during the Olympics because there are too many of them.  This isn't as newsworthy as a 2-hour marathon or a 100-meter-dash world record would be, so I will probably oppose on newsworthiness. [[User:力]] (power~enwiki, [[User talk:力|<span style="color:#FA0;font-family:courier">π</span>]], [[Special:Contributions/力|<span style="font-family:courier">ν</span>]]) 20:16, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
*::Not at all, and frankly absurd, if someone took 0.2 seconds off the 100m sprint we wouldn't post it because it's the Olympics?  Honestly.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 20:44, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
*::: My intended point was that we '''would''' post if the 100m dash fell by that much. [[User:力]] (power~enwiki, [[User talk:力|<span style="color:#FA0;font-family:courier">π</span>]], [[Special:Contributions/力|<span style="font-family:courier">ν</span>]]) 20:50, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
*::::So we should post this, a 26-year-old record beaten.  This is a weird objection, I'm not clear what you're talking about.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 20:55, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
*::::Let me get this right, you'd post the minor break of a recent world record, but not a 17cm improvement on a 26-year-old record that was probably illegitimate anyway? And in the same overall discipline (athletics)? That's simply triple jump prejudice, plain and simple, which makes no sense. We've posted Duplantis beating the pole vault, another jumping event, so is it because of the hopping involved or are you not impressed with one of the best record improvements this century? [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 21:11, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Not ITN/R, and I don't think the triple jump world record is significant enough. Personally I think [[Elaine Thompson-Herah]] running the second fastest ever women's 100 is more notable. [[User:Pawnkingthree|Pawnkingthree]] ([[User talk:Pawnkingthree|talk]]) 20:34, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
:*{{re|力|Pawnkingthree}} The triple jump record was older than the athlete who broke it, and most athletics disciplines get wide coverage - this is certainly dominating the news. Have any other records been broken (not set, broken) this year, because if so then they haven't even been shown on the dedicated sports networks. On {{u|Tone}}'s behalf, I've removed the ITN/R tag. [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 20:39, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
:** Should we nominate [https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/olympics/2021/07/29/tatjana-schoenmaker-south-africa-world-record-olympics/ this world record]?  OR [https://www.npr.org/sections/tokyo-olympics-live-updates/2021/07/30/1023024994/caeleb-dressel-breaks-his-own-world-record-in-100-meter-fly-at-the-olympics this one]? [[User:力]] (power~enwiki, [[User talk:力|<span style="color:#FA0;font-family:courier">π</span>]], [[Special:Contributions/力|<span style="font-family:courier">ν</span>]]) 20:50, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
:***Sorry but your links don't work.  Try to make your point again so we can all understand it.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 20:53, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
:**** Can you Brits really not access any American news sites because of ad-tracking rules now?  Anyhow, [[Swimming at the 2020 Summer Olympics – Women's 200 metre breaststroke]] and [[Swimming at the 2020 Summer Olympics – Men's 100 metre butterfly]] are the articles. [[User:力]] (power~enwiki, [[User talk:力|<span style="color:#FA0;font-family:courier">π</span>]], [[Special:Contributions/力|<span style="font-family:courier">ν</span>]]) 20:56, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
:*****No we can't so stop being a dick about it.  Were either of those records 26 years old?  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 20:57, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
::::::*And by Brits you mean Europeans. GDPR is a European law, and yes, sites are completely walled, only the url can tell you where you were supposed to go. Honestly, feel free to nominate those records, it wasn't sarcasm. [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 21:11, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
::*{{re|Kingsif}} Yes, I'm aware of how old it is - I watched Inessa Kravets set the previous world record in 1995. My personal view is that breaking a world record is not intrinsically more significant than winning a World or Olympic title, and we don't post those individually. [[User:Pawnkingthree|Pawnkingthree]] ([[User talk:Pawnkingthree|talk]]) 21:00, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
:::*Well then oppose on that basis, rather than saying triple jump records aren't notable. Though it would be a limited oppose given ITN's history of posting records. [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 21:11, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
::::*I opposed those as well. And until it's ITN/R, they are discussed on a case-by-case basis. And as for the blurb itself, talk about burying the lead. It doesn't even mention the Olympic gold medal, which is what she came for.[[User:Pawnkingthree|Pawnkingthree]] ([[User talk:Pawnkingthree|talk]]) 21:51, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
::I agree we should consider Thompson's Olympic record, beating FloJo's 1988 record, as a ITN candidate. The 100m is the most famous (or one of the most famous) track and field and in general Olympic events. [[User:Wqwt|Wqwt]] ([[User talk:Wqwt|talk]]) 21:28, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' be consistent. Either these records are worth posting or not.  There's no intrinsic difference between the one we posted a month or so ago, and this one.  And this one was amazing to be fair.  She beat a record which had stood for '''[[Triple jump world record progression|26 years]]'''.  But then, female ethnic athlete, whatever.  Wikipedia continues to disappoint its regulars. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 20:46, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''.  I don't think this is one of the marquee records that is followed by the public at large, like the 100m run record. This isn't top line news(and no sources are offered). [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 21:03, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
:*You [https://www.google.com/search?q=yulimar+rojas&tbm=nws stick her name in google news search] and it literally says "top story". [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 21:14, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
::*Fair enough, but I still think this record is not highly followed. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 21:38, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
:::*"highly followed", what does that even mean?!  Look at the facts rather than just this useless back-garden opinionating.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 21:40, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
:*Indeed, she's not American, but she's highly notable and her record is all over the news.  This is top line news.  Sad to claim otherwise. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 21:16, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' because four stories on ITN are over a week old and it's a reasonable story to include on ITN. [[User:NorthernFalcon|NorthernFalcon]] ([[User talk:NorthernFalcon|talk]]) 21:21, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support'''  Obvs. <small> Also, when was the last time an Olympic gold medal [[Athletics at the 2020 Summer Olympics – Men's high jump|was shared]]? Just sayin'. </small> And, of course, what we really need, is a whole separate ITN box on the Main page for all those [[This Just In!|latest Olympic records]]!!  --[[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 21:37, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''', as it is a major track and field world record being broken. [[User:Jackattack1597|Jackattack1597]] ([[User talk:Jackattack1597|talk]]) 22:34, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' I think the blurb should be about the age rather than about the exact value, alt4.  The caveat is that likely this is a WR cause triple jump women was not an olympic thing during the 80s testosterone era that still has half of women's athletics WRs. [[Special:Contributions/2A02:2F0E:D519:8B00:C9CC:5655:DF34:665B|2A02:2F0E:D519:8B00:C9CC:5655:DF34:665B]] ([[User talk:2A02:2F0E:D519:8B00:C9CC:5655:DF34:665B|talk]]) 03:04, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
*Please add American distance numbers to the blurb as well as meters for reader understandability, thanks. [[User:Randy Kryn|Randy Kryn]] ([[User talk:Randy Kryn|talk]]) 03:20, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 03:25, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' 26 years is nothing special because this is around the average for such field events – see [https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2021/07/29/olympic-records-are-being-broken-at-a-record-pace The Economist's detailed analysis].  And lots of other records are being broken at the Olympics.  As there are two other Olympic blurbs currently, we should shift all this to a single ongoing entry. [[user:Andrew Davidson|Andrew]]🐉([[user talk:Andrew Davidson|talk]]) 08:51, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
*:The numerous weightlifting records is fake as they raised the weight classes in 2019 for fairness and set the minimum to count as an Olympic record low enough that it usually happens at least once per record (3 records per weight class, the snatch,[[clean and jerk]] and the sum which is the one that determines who won). There is also a mixed team fad going on now in multiple sports, the extreme newness of these events will make it very easy to get an Olympic record in them until at least 2024. [[User:Sagittarian Milky Way|Sagittarian Milky Way]] ([[User talk:Sagittarian Milky Way|talk]]) 15:00, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
:*Ah yes, the Opening Ceremony is still ongoing isn't it, judging by that bold link.... [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 09:24, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
::*No, that's how ITN blurbs are written.  For example, the triple jump world record is not being continually broken is it?  And please be careful not to disrupt other's signatures.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 09:51, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
:::*We embolden '''[[Yulimar Rojas]]''', not [[Athletics at the 2020 Summer Olympics – Women's triple jump|women's triple jump]]. And we don't even have a direct link to the "triple jump world record." [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 10:02, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
::::*What's your point?  Oh, there isn't one.  You tried this at ERRORS yesterday and it got nowhere.  Those looking for an "ongoing" Olympics article should nominate a suitable candidate (for the second time) instead of just complaining about it (repeatedly). [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 10:07, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
:::::*[[User:Andrew Davidson|Andrew]] suggested moving "all this to a single ongoing entry." I don't see what's "ongoing" about the triple jump record/ gold medal. And as far as I can see, neither do you. And please be careful not to describe other editor's contributions as pointless. Thanks. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 10:12, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
:::::::*Why are you re-litigating an issue that was closed down at ERRORS yesterday?  That's pointless.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 10:14, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
:::::*[[User:Andrew Davidson|Andrew]], if we did move to a single ongoing Olympics event, I'm guessing we'd use [[2020 Summer Olympics]] as the emboldened main link, not the [[2020 Summer Olympics opening ceremony|opening ceremony]]. Is that correct? Thanks. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 10:24, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
::::::*This was discussed [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates&oldid=1035170449 here], feel free to take another stab at it, as suggested several times.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 10:26, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
:::::*Just to clarify, that's a question for [[User:Andrew Davidson|Andrew]], thanks. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 10:43, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
::::::*I'm sure it is.  But there you go, the discussion is linked and you can see for yourself what the proposed target articles would be for an ongoing.  I'm sure Andrew has an opinion, but this is Wikipedia and we go by community consensus.  Thanks. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 10:45, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
::::::*<small>Paging {{Ping|User:Andrew Davidson}}. Is there an Andrew Day Vidson [[Moe Szyslak|in da house]]? Thanks. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 10:56, 2 August 2021 (UTC) </small>
:::::::*This is getting creepy now.  I'm sure Andrew will be delighted to receive so many notifications from you.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 10:59, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
::::::::*<small>I'd better remind myself about [[WP:ANTICREEP]]. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 11:09, 2 August 2021 (UTC) </small>
*'''Oppose''' per 331dot. Incremental record, and the Olympics always has quite a few records as that's the nature of the beast. This is why we have an Ongoing entry, we don't post every twist and turn. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 10:21, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
*:Other [[World and Olympic records set at the 2020 Summer Olympics|records set at this Olypmics]] include four in the shooting competitions and in swimming, the men's 100 metre butterfly, women's 200 metre breaststroke, as well as two swimming relays. Why is the triple jump seen as more important than any of those? &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 10:44, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
*::My guess is (a) it's a long-standing record (26 years) and (b) it's a large increase in the record and (c) it was all in the news, unlike the shooting and swimming records.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 10:48, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
*:::I'm not sure where I sit on this posting, but claims like "it was all in the news, unlike the shooting and swimming records" don't work for me. Where I live, the swimming records topped the news. [[User:HiLo48|HiLo48]] ([[User talk:HiLo48|talk]]) 10:53, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
*::::Sure, local news will focus on local notability.  Apart from Peaty, swimming is barely mentioned where I live. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 10:56, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
*::::Where I live swimming medals were plastered all over BBC radio and television news. Well, Team GB ones anyway. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 11:00, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
*:::::But this is about the world records, not the local winners. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 11:02, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
*::::::Where I live swimming events were not only part of every news bulletin, but swimmers appear at every single commercial break. [[User:Hawkeye7|<span style="color:#800082">Hawkeye7</span>]] [[User_talk:Hawkeye7|<span style="font-size:80%">(discuss)</span>]] 21:24, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''support''' - It is a world record and a quite old one as well. I support the posting.[[User:BabbaQ|BabbaQ]] ([[User talk:BabbaQ|talk]]) 15:56, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Marvelous jump and great achievement. She broke a world record that was set before she was born. That tells everything.--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 16:31, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
:::<small>That she was born [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1tgiHLE-w4 too late]? – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 22:21, 2 August 2021 (UTC)</small>

==== (Posted) Krystsina Tsimanouskaya / Belarusian athlete defections ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Krystsina Tsimanouskaya
| image         = File:Krystsina Tsimanouskaya 2019 Summer Universiade, brightened (cropped).jpg
| blurb         = Belarusian sprinter '''[[Krystsina Tsimanouskaya]]''' declares that she was forcibly taken to [[Haneda Airport]] by the [[Belarus Olympic Committee|National Olympic Committee]] in order to deport her to [[Belarus]]. 
| recent deaths = no 
| ongoing       = yes
| ITNR          = no 
| altblurb      =  Belarusian sprinter '''[[Krystsina Tsimanouskaya]]''' travels to Poland on a humanitarian visa after attempts by the [[Belarus Olympic Committee]] to repatriate her against her will. 
| altblurb2     = Belarusian sprinter '''[[Krystsina Tsimanouskaya]]''' flies to Poland following a diplomatic stand-off with the [[Belarus Olympic Committee]].
| altblurb3     = Three Belarusian athletes defect following a diplomatic incident involving sprinter '''[[Krystsina Tsimanouskaya]]''' and the [[Belarus Olympic Committee]].
| sources       = [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/04/belarus-sprinter-krystsina-tsimanouskaya-poland Guardian/Reuters], [https://www.itv.com/news/2021-08-04/belarusian-olympic-sprinter-flies-to-vienna-amid-security-concerns ITV]

| updated       = yes
| nominator     = KastusK
| creator       = 
| updaters      = Kingsif
| nom cmt       =
| sign          = 
}}
*'''Oppose'''. This isn't quite as brazen as forcing a passenger aircraft to land, and there is a plausible reason for this on each side. Maybe if more develops(such as Japanese police arresting someone). [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 14:00, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
:What "plausible reason" do you mean? This incident is the main topic on the websites of Reuters, BBC, DailyMail, France24 and dozens of others media outlets.--[[User:KastusK|KastusK]] ([[User talk:KastusK|talk]]) 15:23, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
::I mean that both the athlete and the team have plausible explanations for this incident. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 17:16, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
:::No, the team did not give an explanation for the deportation at all.--[[User:KastusK|KastusK]] ([[User talk:KastusK|talk]]) 17:34, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
::::It's not a deportation since Japan did not kick her out of the country. Abduction, maybe. Reuters: "The Belarusian Olympic Committee said in a statement that coaches had decided to withdraw Tsimanouskaya from the Games on doctors' advice about her "emotional, psychological state"." I'm not saying they are correct, but that is their answer. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 20:12, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
:::::Yes, but this supposed "emotional, psychological state" only arose after she criticised Belarusian authorities on Instagram, "for entering her for the 4x400 relay despite her never previously racing the event." [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 14:31, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' – The travails of individual Olympic athletes usually don't pose general significance. This one seems part of the continuing [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020%E2%80%932021_Belarusian_protests Belarus] story. – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 15:32, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
* '''Oppose''' it's certainly news, but not so prominent or impactful to justify a front-page posting.  At least not yet.  Maybe add it to the Current Events portal? [[User:力]] (power~enwiki, [[User talk:力|<span style="color:#FA0;font-family:courier">π</span>]], [[Special:Contributions/力|<span style="font-family:courier">ν</span>]]) 17:36, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Important news, but just not important enough for the main page.[[User:Jackattack1597|Jackattack1597]] ([[User talk:Jackattack1597|talk]]) 22:37, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Taken to airport but not deported. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082529">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T•</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">C</span>]]</sup> 05:03, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' - Just a trivial event. Maybe it's her tactic to gain refugee status.  [[User:STSC|STSC]] ([[User talk:STSC|talk]]) 11:26, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
:*Maybe it's her tactic to avoid being "disappeared" by a brutal authoritarian regime? [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 13:32, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
::*She has now voiced fears for her own safety and has said that it may not be safe for her to return to Belarus for five or ten years: [https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-58065318] [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 19:21, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
* '''Comment''' – Ms. Tsimanouskaya <small>(''Tee-man-oooss'-skee-yah'' -??)</small> has been granted a "compassionate visa" by Poland, [https://apnews.com/article/2020-tokyo-olympics-vadim-krivosheyev-asylum-request-8467db47e3dc84a0719e76a0eb0481a2] [https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-58052144] [https://www.voanews.com/tokyo-olympics/poland-grants-humanitarian-visa-belarusian-olympian] which apparently amounts to provisional asylum status. This seems to make her case more interesting and significant. – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 12:21, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
::Tim-an-off-ski-ya, I believe. [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 14:46, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
::::<small>[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short_U_(Cyrillic) Ціманоўская] / Тимановская – Where does the 'F' come from? (Not that I'm any expert.) – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 15:59, 2 August 2021 (UTC)</small>
:::::<small>[[Help:IPA/Russian|The thing that looks like a B in Cyrillic is an F]]. And that pseudo-U at the start is a T. The funny y is a semi-vowel, which I'm not sure how to attempt, they appear in Welsh but those accents are quite different. [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 16:30, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
::::::Well, in Russian anyway a B is a V, as in Moskva (Москва) – Moscow to us. – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]])</small>
{{hat|Non-Belarussian diversion}}
::::::<small> [[Welsh language|Eh]]?? [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 16:33, 2 August 2021 (UTC) </small>
:::::::<small>There are two vowels in Betws, but you'll probably only hear one. That's about all I know. [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 17:11, 2 August 2021 (UTC)</small>
::::::::<small>Lol. If you go to [[Betws, Carmarthenshire|Betws]], I can assure you that you'll hear two. In fact you will at [[:Bettws|any of them]], even [[Bettws, Newport|this one]]! [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 17:19, 2 August 2021 (UTC) </small>
:::::::::<small>See now, I was just thinking of the common noun, (it was read from the day prayers in a church I visited (chapel, it seems). The w barely sounded voiced?) don't come here with your ''geography'' *gasp* [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 17:34, 2 August 2021 (UTC)</small>
::::::::::<small>Ah, I see, you meant '''betws.'' I only came here with geography in answer to a geographical example. *gasp* But I guess you mean [[Short U (Cyrillic)]], for the voiced labial–velar approximant /w/, which can occur in Welsh? [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 17:44, 2 August 2021 (UTC) </small>
:::::::::::<small>... Yes. Yes, that's what I was thinking short U voice labia approximate. Am I saying that right? [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 18:34, 2 August 2021 (UTC)</small>
{{hab}}

*'''Wait''' Until it is less "developing story" to decide. [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 14:46, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Unique and important, we have an obligation here at this international website to highlight human rights abuses. More importantly, its in the news all over the world, which is what this vote supposed to represent also. [[Special:Contributions/212.74.201.233|212.74.201.233]] ([[User talk:212.74.201.233|talk]]) 18:47, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
::No, actually we are not here to [[WP:RGW|right great wrongs]]. Please use social media to publicize human rights issues. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 18:51, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' This is clearly evolving into a significant story that is remaining in the news. [[User:NorthernFalcon|NorthernFalcon]] ([[User talk:NorthernFalcon|talk]]) 19:13, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
* '''Support – in principle,''' but suggest we '''wait''' until Ms. T. actually ''gets to Poland''. AFAIK she's still in Japan. – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 14:06, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
:*She's also been given a Japanese visa, so it looks like she can just stay in Tokyo now. [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 20:15, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
* '''Support ''' – Story was not a one day thing. Has continued to be published in all major media today. Has become an international story. [[User:BabbaQ|BabbaQ]] ([[User talk:BabbaQ|talk]]) 16:11, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
* '''Comment''' – Three ''supports'' don't constitute consensus. Premature "Ready" tag removed. – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 19:00, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
*<strike>'''Support''' And added Japanese visa alt: an Olympic host basically sheltering an athlete is news, and the media is treating it as very big news. Also a story about the Belarusian "last dictatorship in Europe", too. [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 20:15, 3 August 2021 (UTC)</strike>
*:<small>Except for the Duchy of Grand Fenwick. – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 22:30, 3 August 2021 (UTC)</small>
* '''Comment – getting closer:''' – As of 12:00 Wednesday Tsimanouskaya was on a plane from Tokyo to Vienna. [https://apnews.com/article/2020-tokyo-olympics-track-and-field-sports-europe-belarus-a59d6b7fd91998428a23479af71c1868] [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/04/belarus-sprinter-krystsina-tsimanouskaya-poland] [https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/sports/belarus-sprinter-tsimanouskaya-leaves-polish-embassy-tokyo-police-2021-08-03/] – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 12:52, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
*:'''Vienna arrival''' – Plane carrying Ms. Tsimanouskaya lands at 13:00 in Vienna, [https://apnews.com/article/2020-tokyo-olympics-belarus-krystsina-tsimanouskaya-2fc1599621ab2dc75faed36deda57a57] [https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/sports/belarus-sprinter-tsimanouskaya-leaves-polish-embassy-tokyo-police-2021-08-03/], from which she's expected to journey to Warsaw today. – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 14:23, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
::*Vienna departure - Took off to Warsaw shortly after arriving. [https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/sports/belarus-sprinter-tsimanouskaya-leaves-polish-embassy-tokyo-police-2021-08-03/] [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 18:05, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
:::*Cripes. Now tempted to suggest [[Ongoingness|the "o-word"]]. Maybe [[Ongoing civil wars|not]]. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 18:17, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
::::*We need a scrolling line, duh. [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 19:18, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
:::::*<small>The only scrolling any self-respecting encyclopaedia needs are [[Dead Sea Scrolls|these]]. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 19:30, 4 August 2021 (UTC) </small>
*'''Update''' Suggested alt4 with a different 'hook' after two other athletes say they won't go back to Belarus. [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 16:08, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
*:'''Warsaw arrival''' – A plane carrying Ms. Tsimanouskaya landed at [[Warsaw Chopin Airport]] Wednesday evening, and she was taken to a private terminal where she was greeted by Polish officials and Belarussian expatriates. [https://apnews.com/article/2020-tokyo-olympics-belarus-krystsina-tsimanouskaya-2fc1599621ab2dc75faed36deda57a57] [https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/sports/belarus-sprinter-tsimanouskaya-leaves-polish-embassy-tokyo-police-2021-08-03/] [https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-58081254] – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 19:30, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
* '''Support''' – When dully updated with Warsaw arrival. No. 1 story worldwide today. Great political significance. – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]])
*:''PS:'' IMO, it would be best not to complicate this spot news by combining the item with stories about other Beloarussian [https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/refusenik#English refusenik] athletes. She was first. – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 19:36, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
* '''Comment''' – <font color="darkred">''Dziękuję, Polska.''</font color="darkred"> — [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 19:42, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
* '''Support''', at least we know she's alive. Surely can think of five more altblurbs? [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 19:44, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
:*Not enough room, won't let ya' [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 20:03, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

* I also support one of these blurbs. Which one is up to you.[[User:BabbaQ|BabbaQ]] ([[User talk:BabbaQ|talk]]) 20:04, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' article updated. Check how much detail you want on the arrival, though, it's one sentence in the saga at the moment. It's a bit of an unravelling story but all blurbs are current, I'd probably go with alt2 but don't mind. [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 20:09, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
*:Well, Alt2 is shorter, but '''Alt1''' tells a bit more of the story and it reads OK, so I'd probably go for that. In any case, let's get it into the box before the day's out. – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 22:29, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' with Alt1, but if anyone thinks that one of the others is much better, feel free to change it. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 22:33, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
:* Note: I've sent [[:File:Krystsina Tsimanouskaya 2019 Summer Universiade, brightened (cropped).jpg]] to [[WP:CMP]] if anyone feels it should be the image (when KrinkleBot has done its work). [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 22:38, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

==== Myanmar military junta ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Min Aung Hlaing
| image         =
| blurb         = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. --> Myanmar's military leader, '''[[Min Aung Hlaing]]''', forms a caretaker government and establishes himself as the country's [[Prime Minister of Myanmar|prime minister]].
| recent deaths = no 
| ongoing       = yes
| ITNR          = no
| altblurb      = 
| altblurb2     = 
| sources       = <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->  {{cite news |title=Myanmar Junta Forms Caretaker Government; Min Aung Hlaing is Prime Minister {{!}} Voice of America - English |url=https://www.voanews.com/east-asia-pacific/myanmar-junta-forms-caretaker-government-min-aung-hlaing-prime-minister |work=www.voanews.com |language=en}}, {{cite news |title=Myanmar military leader takes new title of prime minister in caretaker government - state media |url=https://www.reuters.com/world/india/myanmar-military-leader-takes-new-title-prime-minister-caretaker-government-2021-08-01/ |work=Reuters |date=}}, {{cite news |last1= |first1= |title=Myanmar army ruler takes prime minister role, again pledges elections |url=https://www.reuters.com/article/myanmar-politics-int-idUSKBN2F20W6 |work=Reuters |date= |language=en}}, {{cite news |last1= |first1= |title=Top Myanmar General Says Military Rule Will Continue Into 2023 |url=https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/01/world/asia/myanmar-state-emergency.html |work=The New York Times |date=}}, [https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-58045792 BBC], [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/01/myanmars-military-ruler-promises-multi-party-elections Guardian], [https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/myanmar-military-ruler-promises-elections-says-ready-work-with-asean-2021-08-01/ Reuters]

| updated       = yes
| nominator     = Zin Win Hlaing <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator       = 
| updaters      = Taung Tan, Zin Win Hlaing
| nom cmt       =
| sign          = [[User:Zin Win Hlaing|Zin Win Hlaing]] ([[User talk:Zin Win Hlaing|talk]]) 12:13, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
}}
*'''Comment'''. This seems like it would be ITNR. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 14:02, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
*:Perhaps, but it's not clear whether this titular grab portends any tangible change on the ground. – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 15:39, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Major development from the coup back in February and also depicts a new leadership in the region. --[[User:TDKR Chicago 101|TDKR Chicago 101]] ([[User talk:TDKR Chicago 101|talk]]) 17:59, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
* Tentative support, but the update related to today's development needs to be longer. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 18:07, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' respectfully. Smoke and mirrors or window dressing. Call it what you like but nothing substantive has changed. It was a military dictatorship last week and it's still a military dictatorship today. Changing job titles does not fundamentally alter political reality. This is not what ITNR was intending to cover. -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 20:30, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
**The change in job title is what is ITN/R, though, not the change in power. We still post the results of elections in countries with rigged elections or in which real power is held by a different individual. We also post when the incumbent wins and when someone takes the relevant job title by law (e.g., VP taking power after President dies), so clearly there doesn't have to be an actual change in power and there doesn't have to be an actual election for it to be ITN/R. [[User:Mlb96|Mlb96]] ([[User talk:Mlb96|talk]]) 21:12, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Legitimization of dictatorship by change in administrative position, ITNR and article looks fine. [[User:Gotitbro|Gotitbro]] ([[User talk:Gotitbro|talk]]) 00:24, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Not ITNR''' [[WP:ITNR#Elections and heads of state and government]] says: "Changes in the holder of the office which administer the executive of their respective state/government...as listed at [[List of current heads of state and government]]."  This list shows [[President of Myanmar]] to be the executive, not the Prime Minister. [[User:Joofjoof|Joofjoof]] ([[User talk:Joofjoof|talk]]) 04:48, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
::I see both President and Prime Minister listed in that article for Myanmar. [[User:Mlb96|Mlb96]] ([[User talk:Mlb96|talk]]) 06:47, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
:::Only the President is marked as executive, as mentioned in the key at the top of the article.  [[User:Joofjoof|Joofjoof]] ([[User talk:Joofjoof|talk]]) 07:37, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
::This just appears to be pedantic, the guideline's purpose is to highlight significant administrative changes. Even if take this into account, the president is clearly not that important in the present regime. This is in the news and the assumption of a different substantive role does appear to fall into that category. [[User:Gotitbro|Gotitbro]] ([[User talk:Gotitbro|talk]]) 07:59, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' - It's not a normal change of head of state. I think article "[[2021 Myanmar coup d'état]]" should be included in the blurb. [[User:STSC|STSC]] ([[User talk:STSC|talk]])
* '''Comment''' – Opposition on Monday [https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/myanmar-shadow-government-condemns-army-ruler-taking-pm-role-2021-08-02/ condemns] Min Aung Hlaing's asumption of PM title, calling it a bid to gain legitimacy. – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 12:38, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Fails ITNR in both fact (the president is the leader) and spirit (a change in leadership has not occurred).  ''<small>[[User_talk:GreatCaesarsGhost|<span style="color:#938f8d">GreatCaesarsGhost</span>]]</small>'' 22:26, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - sad situstion but ITN worthy still.[[User:BabbaQ|BabbaQ]] ([[User talk:BabbaQ|talk]]) 18:21, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' as not ITN/R per GreatCaesarsGhost. [[User:Pawnkingthree|Pawnkingthree]] ([[User talk:Pawnkingthree|talk]]) 22:33, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' debate can continue on significance, but I'm untagging as ITNR, as there is too much doubt about if this event is covered. ''<small>[[User_talk:GreatCaesarsGhost|<span style="color:#938f8d">GreatCaesarsGhost</span>]]</small>'' 01:29, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

==== (Posted) Turkish wildfires ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = 2021 Turkish wildfires
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = '''[[2021 Turkish wildfires|Wildfires in southern Turkey]]''' have killed at least eight people and injured more than 800.
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb      = '''[[2021 Turkish wildfires|Forest fires in southern Turkey]]''' have killed at least eight people and injured more than 800.
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/30/world/middleeast/turkey-fires-mediterranean-lebanon.html New York Times], [https://www.dw.com/en/turkey-death-toll-rises-as-wildfires-rage-along-coastal-resorts/a-58726207 Deutsche Welle], [https://apnews.com/article/lifestyle-middle-east-travel-fires-environment-and-nature-eb6a138ac15b2015ae1089492d2e0be2 AP], [https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-58043912 BBC], [https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/some-wildfires-rage-turkey-although-most-have-been-contained-2021-08-01 Reuters]

| updated       = yes
| nominator     = Ainty Painty <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator       = Myxomatosis57
| updaters      = Chidgk1, Jim Michael
| nom cmt       = <!-- Add the reason for nominating the item and/or any problems. -->
| sign          = [[User:Ainty Painty|Ainty Painty]] ([[User talk:Ainty Painty|talk]]) 05:04, 1 August 2021 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Comment''' Article should probably be beefed up a little bit more before posting. As of this comment, the article is only four paragraphs long. [[User:Mlb96|Mlb96]] ([[User talk:Mlb96|talk]]) 06:08, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

::OK I hope to add more shortly. I have not done ITN before so please ping me if enough or not right. If/when this is accepted I will cancel my DYK request. [[User:Chidgk1|Chidgk1]] ([[User talk:Chidgk1|talk]]) 06:43, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

::::Have added more info - if there is anything else I should do please ping me. [[User:Chidgk1|Chidgk1]] ([[User talk:Chidgk1|talk]]) 06:00, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

*'''Support''' because the fires are major & the article is of sufficient quality to post. [[User:Jim Michael|Jim Michael]] ([[User talk:Jim Michael|talk]]) 09:37, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
* '''Comment''' – Widely covered, affecting many people and prompting seaborne evacuations. Note however that according to [https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/some-wildfires-rage-turkey-although-most-have-been-contained-2021-08-01/ Reuters] most fires have been contained. – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 12:06, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
::True but 7 are still burning - I don't know how big. [[User:Chidgk1|Chidgk1]] ([[User talk:Chidgk1|talk]]) 15:02, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

* '''Comment''' – Perhaps I am not reading carefully enough, but I have trouble finding the prose on the nominated wikipage about the "injured more than 400" mentioned in the proposed blurbs. I can see "Non-fatal injuries	410[2]" in the infobox, but the linked news article, dated July 29th, does not mention 410. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 13:53, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

::Unfortunately it is now over 800 - cited [[User:Chidgk1|Chidgk1]] ([[User talk:Chidgk1|talk]]) 14:57, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

I don't know how to watch just this section - please ping me or write on article talk page if anything needs changing [[User:Chidgk1|Chidgk1]] ([[User talk:Chidgk1|talk]]) 15:04, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
: '''Posted''': Thank you for the new refs and updating, [[User:Chidgk1|Chidgk1]]. --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] ([[User talk:PFHLai|talk]]) 16:10, 2 August 2021 (UTC)