Salmon of Doubt
User talk:Salmon of Doubt/Archive 1
inappropriate speedy deletion request
The page Ethical Management of the English Language Wikipedia/Case Studies/Controversy or disruption was created by Dzonatas, yet you have requested deletion here saying
| “ | As the intial author of this page I have determined that there is no substantial continuing value in retaining it. See the project talk page for further discussion | ” |
So, the natural conclusion is that you are Dzonatas, however you must make that very plain, otherwise your speedy deletion request is invalid and inappropriate. If you wish to remain anonymous, please remove your speedy deletion tag, or rewrite it to use a different reason for deletion if there is another speedy deletion criteria which is appropriate. Then, if Dzonatas wants to delete it, that account must tag it for deletion; people will draw conclusions from that as they see fit. John Vandenberg (chat) 08:15, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
- John - all of the content placed at that page was authored by me. Dzontas seperated it out from sections into subpages. You'll want to get a little bit up to speed before deciciding on issues - people might think you are jumping to promote Taxwoman to checkuser - wait, I mean jumping to conclusions without getting all the facts on the ground. Salmon of Doubt 12:52, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
- Taking shots at valuable members of Wiki projects is definitely not a way to build trust. You have already demonstrated that you are unwilling to discuss things and instead claim bias. You have already demonstrated that you wish to cause harm via use of automated systems. Now you are resorting to attacking people without just cause. Please stop. Ottava Rima 15:28, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
- You say it's without cause. I say it's a revealing pattern of behavior. JV trusts users who do not merit trust, jumps to the wrong conclusion, and has done so before. I have no desire to "cause harm." Salmon of Doubt 15:40, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
Yes, I jumped to the wrong conclusion. But come on, .. you tagged it in a manner than a component uninvolved person couldnt approve a speedy delete. You could have been a little more clear in the tagging. Rather than simply point out my error and fill in the blanks, you attack me unnecessarily, and you made ill-informed suppositions of your own, guessing why I have done some things rather than comprehend what I have said on those matters. We are off to a good start, I see. I did not assume you intended harm. I know a little about Dzonatas, and thought it odd that he would tag it like that via a sock, so I had already kind of assumed that you were not him. I dont know what level of competence you have here or on other wikis, so I was trying to help. If you re-read my original message above, you will see my intent was to explain how I thought you could keep doing whatever it is that you are trying to achieve here. I am yet to learn what that is - I look forward to doing so.
Could you please provide a diff or two to illustrate where the content came from, demonstrating that you wrote it all?
Since it is causing you concern, I will explain a little. I never ever assumed that Poetlister & co where anything else other than one person. You will see my comments on ANI very clearly showed that. I have been painfully aware of the reality of the PL situation, roughly about as soon as aspects of it were known to various people, which means I was extremely well informed in this. Overarching my decisions is always an intent to demonstrate good faith where the risk is low. sysop on Wikisource is no big deal. Being allowed to resume editing on WP due to the enourmous quality contributions on Wikisource & Wikiquote is also reasonable application of "assume good faith", and again, was not a big deal. In both cases, I carefully watched all edits by those accounts on Wikisource and Wikipedia. i.e. Trust, but Verify. Some of my watching paid off, in the end result. I do not regret any of my decisions in this case. Notice that my name is not on either Wikiquote requests for more important tools, because I wasnt comfortable with them, based on my limited knowledge and suspicions at that time. I didnt have a good enough reason to object at that time, so I stayed out of the matters of another Wiki. If you have a more specific query about my actions which you think are questionable, feel free to ask direct questions and I will answer them as directly as I can.