Talk:Yemeni civil war (2014–present)

New map

@Borysk5 The new map is way more better than the previous one in details and but it shouldn't have replaced the older map. Maybe an update to the older map was a better idea Abo Yemen✉ 12:36, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

It would also be helpful if updates were made to Module:Yemeni Civil War detailed map Abo Yemen✉ 12:54, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Wikimedia Commons blocked overriting files for some reason a few months ago... So I made a new file. Borysk5 (talk) 12:56, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Try making a new map based on the original one and the module and change its name to "map of the Yemeni civil war (2014–present).svg" or something close to that Abo Yemen✉ 12:59, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

• Comment: Restored previous stable version. Two editor have objected to the change, discuss and gain consensus on talk page for changes in the map, per WP:BRD and ONUS. Old map showed more significant details (pop centers) and appears more detailed. These changes need consensus.

I'm seeing information on the new map that is not supported in the source. Eg: New map designates an area for Al Qaeda and I do not see this supported in the text or on the map.[1],[2].  // Timothy :: talk  17:55, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

@TimothyBlue he gave his reasoning in a Youtube video Abo Yemen✉ 09:41, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

@TimothyBlue: This is based on Al-Qaeda presence from second map in the article: [3]. Borysk5 (talk) 21:16, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

The map is highly incorrect based on the land and who controls what if you would like reach out to me so I can help you figure out what’s wrong in the map Abu yemen124 (talk) 03:15, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

The map is well sourced. Also what's with your username?? Abo Yemen✉ 05:36, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

What’s wrong with my username? And no Shabwah is controlled by the government of Yemen Abu yemen124 (talk) 07:32, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

the STC is part of the internationally recognized government so the map is perfectly fine. Also, do you not see any similarities in the usernames? Abo Yemen✉ 07:34, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Ohh yea I realized that also with the username i didn’t know what to name myself but after all is misleading the stc doesn’t have any troop presence in ataq or abyan the home governate of ex president hadi Abu yemen124 (talk) 22:33, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

do you have any sources on this other than your own reporting? Abo Yemen✉ 05:10, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

Time listed for start of Houthi involvement

I will admit that I have little knowledge of the conflict besides surface level information, but I have to ask: In the article infobox the Houthi involvement in the conflict is listed as being ongoing since 2004, presumably because of the Houthi insurgency which perceded the civil war from 2004 to 2014. And while the civil war is practically a rapid escalation of the insurgency, I feel like Houthi belligerence should just be listed as having started at the start of the civil war. But on the same time I don't think the present listing is wrong and all things considered it makes sense. What do you think? I am open to replies and questions. Bill L. Hal (talk) 20:51, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Inclusion of Kuwait

Why is Kuwait not included as part of the coalition? It’s known and confirmed, it should be added Tyiia (talk) 15:20, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Abo Yemen✉ 15:24, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

https://www.reuters.com/article/world/factbox-saudi-arabia-s-coalition-against-yemen-s-houthis-idUSKBN0MM1AH/ Tyiia (talk) 13:40, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

Plus it’s in the Saudi led coalition article box, and it’s sourced, so I don’t understand why it isn’t in this one Tyiia (talk) 13:41, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

 Done idrk why it was removed

Abo Yemen✉ 13:47, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

Requested move 7 December 2024

• Yemeni civil war (2014–present) → Yemeni civil war
• Yemeni civil war → Yemeni civil war (disambiguation)

– per WP:COMMONNAME. None of the previous civil wars in Yemen were as popular as this one. Abo Yemen✉ 13:07, 7 December 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 09:29, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject United Arab Emirates, WikiProject Islam/Islam and Controversy task force, WikiProject Islam, WikiProject Yemen, WikiProject Human rights, WikiProject Saudi Arabia, WikiProject 2010s, WikiProject Military history, WikiProject International relations, WikiProject Military history/Post-Cold War task force, WikiProject Africa, and WikiProject Crime and Criminal Biography have been notified of this discussion. Abo Yemen✉ 13:13, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

Comment I think "Yemeni Civil War" should be capitalized. MOS:CAPS says names of wars should match reliable sources. On the first three pages of a Google Scholar search for the term, 14 of 20 results capitalize it as "Yemeni Civil War". — Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 22:47, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose The nom has offered no evidence to substantiate this but at a google scholar search for "yemeni civil war" "2014" gives 1590 hits, "yemen civil war" "2014" gives 1740 hits (total 3330)but "yemeni civil war" "1962" gives 1060 hits and "yemen civil war" "1962" 1310 hits (total 2370). There are other civil wars in Yemen disambiguated various ways per Yemeni civil war and the guidance to be considered here is WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Given its ongoing nature, we need to be wary of WP:RECENTISM. Cinderella157 (talk) 02:51, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

  I meant to use WP:PRIMARYTOPIC but forgot that it existed Abo Yemen✉ 07:35, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

  Filtering by sources since 2014, I see 861 hits for "Yemen civil war" "1962" and 1’600 for "Yemen civil war" "2014". Nowadays, the vast majority of sources about civil war in Yemen refer to the current war. I wouldn't call a 10-year trend "recentism". Toadspike [Talk] 16:25, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. This graphic shows the average monthly pageviews for each article, which are:

• Yemeni civil war (2014–present): 76,428
• North Yemen Civil War: 6,989
• Yemenite War of 1979: 1,559
• Yemenite War of 1972: 1,515
• Yemeni revolution: 1,366
• South Yemen insurgency: 1,232
• Yemeni civil war (1994): 1,057
• South Yemen civil war: 613

The article with the highest average monthly pageviews (Yemeni civil war (2014–present)) has almost 11 times more pageviews than the second article (North Yemen Civil War). This Yemeni civil war is still ongoing, which makes it more relevant than the rest of articles. RobertJohnson35 (talk) 23:32, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support. RobertJohnson35 and I have provided evidence above, the current civil war is clearly what the vast majority of our readers are looking for. Toadspike [Talk] 16:28, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose. Way too many items on the dab page. I strongly disagree that being ongoing ... makes it more relevant. This is an encyclopedia, not a news aggregator. Srnec (talk) 21:17, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

  Not only does this article have almost twice as many monthly pageviews as all other articles combined (59,169 this article and 37,244 the rest), but most of the articles listed on the dab page should not be there per WP:DABNOT or MOS:DABNOENTRY. --RobertJohnson35 (talk) 22:38, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose move to Yemeni civil war, on account of the First Yemeni Civil War. Support move to Second Yemeni Civil War. Pescavelho (talk) 02:14, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

  I will say that I'm neutral on moving to Yemeni Civil War, but oppose Second Yemeni Civil War. Not only is "second yemeni civil war" an exceedingly rare name, it's also factually incorrect - RobertJohnson above already gave a quite large list of civil wars above (and that's nothing to say about civil wars between Yemeni imams in the Qasimid State that haven't received Wikipedia pages yet). Yemeni civil war (1994) can remain disambiguated with the year in its name. Koopinator (talk) 07:34, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

  orrrrrr we could move Yemeni civil war (1994) to the 1994 Summer War Abo Yemen✉ 07:47, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

  Sounds good with me. That would require a separate requested move though. Koopinator (talk) 07:52, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

  All of those wars were either within North/South Yemen, or, in the case of the Yemenite Wars, interstate conflicts rather than intrastate. With regards to the Qasimid civil wars, are they ever called "Yemeni civil war(s)"?

  In any case I support moving "Yemeni civil war" to "Yemeni civil war (disambiguation)". Whether "Yemeni civil war" remains a redirect to that disambiguation or this page, I am, all things considered, honestly ambivalent, since at least for the time being this will be the Yemeni Civil War people talk about, but I'd prefer future-proofing the page, so I continue opposing a straight up rename in favor of either leaving the years or adding "second" to the title. Pescavelho (talk) 12:29, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

  With regards to the Qasimid civil wars, are they ever called "Yemeni civil war(s)"?
  They probably called themselves "Yemenis". In the same way, the Ummayads didn't refer to themselves as Ummayads but as Muslims and we call them that way now to differentiate between the different dynasties Abo Yemen✉ 13:11, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

  With regards to the Qasimid civil wars, are they ever called "Yemeni civil war(s)"?
  I'll quote from The Sultan's Yemen (2002, p18): "Moresby’s letter from Jiddah of 26 June 1833 painted a bleak picture: the imam had died and with him the last semblance of order; Bilmez was detaining Surat ships at Mocha; and commerce was deplorable and its revival could be assured only if Muhammad Ali took possession of Yemen. Even then it would not be an easy task — the viceroy would have to contend not only with the rebels but also with an interior of Yemen torn by the civil wars precipitated by the feuding brothers of the deceased imam, none of whom enjoyed much force, power or strong backing."
  So, it doesn't directly use the term "Yemeni civil war", but that's what it really boils down to. Koopinator (talk) 13:37, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose. There are no fewer than twenty articles listed at the DAB currently at Yemeni civil war. The case for any one of them to be primary over all of the other nineteen taken together would need to be far stronger than the arguments put so far. Andrewa (talk) 19:27, 22 December 2024 (UTC)