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dua lipa isn't english. she's albanian and british from having a british passport. she has no english ancestry or links to english cultural values at all. 31.94.7.148 (talk) 21:41, 8 April 2023 (UTC)Reply
"English" refers to both citizenship and ethnicity. Even though England is not an independent country, it is a constituent country within the United Kingdom. Some people identify more closely with England specifically than with Britain as a whole. Jargo Nautilus (talk) 16:21, 30 April 2023 (UTC)Reply
English isn’t a citizenship. English is an ethnicity. Nationality referred to the citizenship of a country. Therefore, Dua Lipa is a British National/citizen, of Albanian descent.
Anyone born in England, Wales, Scotland, or Northern Ireland makes their citizenship British. Only people with English heritage (I.e. me) are English in blood and British by citizenship.
Citizenship and nationality do not perfectly coincide, though it is often challenging to disentangle citizenship, nationality, and ethnicity. In the case of the United Kingdom, although people are British citizens and nationals, there is also regional identification of nationality in the constituent countries.
According to MOS:ETHNICITY, we should take into account regional nationality. British nationality is fairly vague as many, if not most, people have strong claims to regional identity. Because Lipa's biographical and career details are specifically connected to England, "English" is used in the lede. RedBaron12 (talk) 02:21, 26 June 2023 (UTC)Reply
Putting her as an “Albanian and English singer” is very misleading. Instead of putting “she is an Albanian singer born in England” or “is a British singer of Albanian descent” putting she is “English” misleads people believing she is both English and Albanian. Dua lipa is very proud of being Albanian, not sure why you can’t change it. Ndndndpo (talk) 15:17, 19 August 2023 (UTC)Reply
The logic does not make sense. You are talking about a person who was born in England, raised, educated, embraced the English norms, culture, religion, and way of life. How can you call a person who was born, raised, educated, and embraced the English norms, culture, religion, and way of life Albanian? This notion is ridiculous.
The fact that she was born, raised, educated, embraced the English norms, culture, religion, and way of life makes her English not Albanian.
She is not Albanian.
I have not heard of any individual being born Albania and being as successful and famous as she is.
The reason why she was able to use her talents and become so successful and famous is because she was born in England, raised, educated, embraced the English norms, culture, religion, and way of life. She is English and not Albanian. Please drop her as being Albanian. 2600:1700:36D0:9B0:DD77:C486:BBB1:CE9 (talk) 05:29, 24 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
Encyclopedia Britannica is a left leaning platform. It has so much misleading articles. Just because EB says something it does doesn’t mean that it is true.
Dua was born in UK but is Yugoslavian. Albanians claim many personalities to be of their own including George Washington, Winston Churchill, Albert Einstein, John Cena, Mother Theresa and even George Kastrioti Skanderbeg. I cannot believe Wikipedia allowing these sorts of misinformation. 2600:1700:36D0:9B0:C48B:1A26:9389:1698 (talk) 23:44, 4 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
Dua was born in UK but is Yugoslavian. Albanians claim many personalities to be of their own including George Washington, Winston Churchill, Albert Einstein, John Cena, Mother Theresa and even George Kastrioti Skanderbeg. I cannot believe Wikipedia allowing these sorts of misinformation. 2600:1700:36D0:9B0:C48B:1A26:9389:1698 (talk) 23:45, 4 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
per MOS:ETHNICITY, Wikipedia had no preference when it comes to describing someone as either English or British, and while there are many articles that describe English people with multiple citizenship as British rather than English, I don't see a problem with this in particular, especially whey the word "and" is used to avoid implying her ethnicity. Inpops (talk) 17:08, 7 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
Absolutely true, what a way to describe “Ethnicity”!
Let’s straighten the facts. Whether she is “British” or “English” is up to the Britannic's government, laws, traditions and its people given that she was born in England, but she is not Albanian. Those who claim her as Albanian are simply throwing gasoline to a part of the world that is already in flames.
Now, she might consider herself Albanian, but that does not mean that she is Albanian. Whether she is Albanian or not must be decided by the facts, and the fact is that she simply is not Albanian. Calling her Albanian is not true and that part of this article must be dropped. 2600:1700:36D0:9B0:AC70:FE07:532F:CF4F (talk) 03:52, 22 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
There is no such thing as 'English citizenship' and there is no legal entity called 'English nationality' (although England is, indeed, a nation.) The description should read 'British and Albanian' if it wants to be cast-iron factually and unimpeachable ideologically.
The user who wrote this - "Britain is an island, not a nation" - has missed the further (and only salient) fact i. e. that Britain is a *state*, and thus issues passports and grants legal nationality status. No-one can legally dish out 'English nationality' or an English passport. (Sadly...😁) 2A01:CB19:38F:BD00:FCD7:E582:89CF:F905 (talk) 20:49, 3 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
Sadly, indeed.
"i. e. that Britain is a *state*, and thus issues passports and grants legal nationality status" is incorrect. Passports are issued by the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Great Britain is made up of England, Scotland and Wales. There is no entity called "Britain" that issues passports, as that would exclude the Northern Ireland part of the UK. 2A00:23C8:8F8A:B700:7D1B:C02:466B:66A0 (talk) 02:50, 28 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Well, I regard it as highly offensive that non-Brits should have the brass neck to tell English Brits who is or isn't English. Those commenters display arrogance as well as ignorance. Dua Lipa simply is NOT 'English'. She is British by virtue of holding British nationality.
They are also Londoners, so why not say Londoner? If you are talking about nationality then she has Albanian and British passports. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 51.149.8.7 (talk) 16:08, 4 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
Do you know she even has British citizenship? or are you just assuming? as the UK doesn't have jus soil citizenship, so the children of refugees even if they are born in the UK aren't automatically British citizens. If her parents were from Kosovo she may have Serbian and Albanian citizenship and just indefinite leave to remain in the UK. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 51.149.8.7 (talk) 16:10, 4 July 2024 (UTC)Reply