Talk:Erasmus: Difference between revisions

The initial sentence of the lede calls Erasmus a philosopher, but I question that this is so; or at least that it is remotely the most important way to categorize him.

 

 

"Desiderius Erasmus (Rotterdam, October 28, 1466,[1] 1467 or 1469[2] – Basel, July 12, 1536) was a Dutch-born philosopher, Catholic theologian and humanist. He is considered one of the most influential thinkers of the Northern Renaissance. With his famous satirical work Praise of Folly, which he wrote in Latin around 1509, he laid the foundations for the Protestant Reformation and the Catholic Counter-Reformation.

So I think it would be better to revise the English lede with some cherry-picked parts of the other articles. Such as "Dutch-born" rather than "Dutch". And "theologian-philosopher" rather than "philosopher".[[User:Rick Jelliffe|Rick Jelliffe]] ([[User talk:Rick Jelliffe|talk]]) 07:23, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

 

* (from the Dutch page) Make "Dutch-born". Use "thinker" instead of "Scholar". Steal sentence "He developed a..". Remove "and its cleric's abuses" and just have "reform the Catholic church from within" (because superstitious lay practises and corrupt monasticism was even more on his radar than clergy.)

* (from Latin and spanish page) remove "philosopher" and add more accurate items

::::::No language version of Wikipedia is a [[WP:RS]], and most of them are translations of another language version. Some, especially thye "home language" are worth looking at, but they are not usually the best guides. In English, "Dutch-born" implies he then emigrated somewhere else, which doesn't really fit with Erasmus, great traveller though he was. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 02:37, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

:::::::The issue for the lede is whether it reflects the article contents. Whether the phrases come from other national articles or from tea-leaves on Mars is not material, if they are apt. WP:RS and WP:OR are red herrings in that regard.

 

=== Philosophia Christi ===