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That is not the point however; the point is that ''while'' [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Canadian_Indian_residential_school_gravesites&diff=next&oldid=1224458836] I was blocked for a week that article was completely re-written[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Canadian_Indian_residential_school_gravesites&diff=next&oldid=1224795396][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Canadian_Indian_residential_school_gravesites&diff=prev&oldid=1224775763] to heavily insinuate wrongdoing by the [[Tkʼemlúps te Secwépemc]], on whose land the graves are. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Canadian_Indian_residential_school_gravesites&diff=prev&oldid=1224776457 Much cited material removed here.][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Canadian_Indian_residential_school_gravesites&diff=next&oldid=1225880783 A huge table disappears here.] {{ping|David Eppstein}} called a source used at the Kamloops article {{tq|a dishonest hit piece, attempting to cast the fact that a project of this size typically takes some time to get going as if it were a scam merely because they were allocated money, haven't produced immediate results, and won't talk to the hit-piece-writers.}} (see [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:RSN#Western_Standard_as_a_source_for_Canadian_residential_schools Western Standard thread])
Other editors protested the rewrite.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Canadian_Indian_residential_school_gravesites&diff=next&oldid=1224460675][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Canadian_Indian_residential_school_gravesites&diff=prev&oldid=1224795144][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Canadian_Indian_residential_school_gravesites&diff=next&oldid=1224795144][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Canadian_Indian_residential_school_gravesites&diff=next&oldid=1224359074][[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Canadian_Indian_residential_school_gravesites&diff=prev&oldid=1224775763 This thread removes material cited to the TRC with an edit summary of "added citation"] Diffs in the AE thread about this editor document three different editors protesting [https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/18380743.2013.761936],[https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/canadian-journal-of-political-science-revue-canadienne-de-science-politique/article/abs/genocide-question-and-indian-residential-schools-in-canada/9E93D6867211E417D0293A613538B97A] (note date), [https://books.google.ca/books?hl=en&lr=&id=Iy6XDwAAQBAJ&oi=fnd&pg=PP1&dq=genocide+residential+schools&ots=d8-ItHPJdJ&sig=atOTBLEbsmTzxLK3IZ0tSWiOWMU&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=genocide%20residential%20schools&f=false], [https://caid.ca/GenIndResSch2002.pdf], [https://books.google.ca/books?hl=en&lr=&id=F-4lCgAAQBAJ&oi=fnd&pg=PP1&dq=genocide+residential+schools&ots=NICC-ZQhja&sig=e22JbmUU4uLuCHHcGgThckH6Su8&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=genocide%20residential%20schools&f=false], [https://books.google.ca/books?hl=en&lr=&id=ke2VXjKsFe0C&oi=fnd&pg=PP2&dq=related:ROqmsZbQljcJ:scholar.google.com/&ots=EYV6-d52zS&sig=ZAtJ53sJQDaXZbb5iK18kSqDPBs&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=genocide&f=false] (see p.39 for example), [https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/canadian-journal-of-law-and-society-la-revue-canadienne-droit-et-societe/article/abs/troubling-the-path-to-decolonization-indian-residential-school-case-law-genocide-and-settler-illegitimacy1/84EFC183098F872A469B9AAE104F9545], [https://www.utpjournals.press/doi/abs/10.3138/gsi.12.1.05], [https://www.taylorfrancis.com/chapters/edit/10.4324/9781315628318-9/kill-indian-child-genocide-international-law-tamara-starblanket], [https://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/obj/thesescanada/vol2/OSUL/TC-OSUL-380.PDF#page=41][https://www.taylorfrancis.com/chapters/edit/10.4324/9781315401669-4/canada-colonial-genocide-andrew-woolford-jeff-benvenuto][https://books.google.ca/books?hl=en&lr=&id=pULxSOj3kqQC&oi=fnd&pg=PP5&dq=genocide+residential+schools&ots=hiTyTw_rLO&sig=852kmLQ739a4Z79cg4qfTIrJLXE&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=genocide%20residential%20schools&f=false],[https://books.google.ca/books?hl=en&lr=&id=WUJ4DgAAQBAJ&oi=fnd&pg=PT7&dq=related:9Nn5zqueKioJ:scholar.google.com/&ots=WIhj9hvs0r&sig=ezuxvb_V5n05sGhcbXdnGOrdshw&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=genocide&f=false], [https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/14623528.2015.1096583], [https://heinonline.org/HOL/LandingPage?handle=hein.journals/unblj69&div=11&id=&page=][https://indigenousfoundations.arts.ubc.ca/the_residential_https://www.taylorfrancis.com/chapters/edit/10.], [https://books.google.ca/books?hl=en&lr=&id=gtiMCwAAQBAJ&oi=fnd&pg=PP1&dq=genocide+residential+schools&ots=KwEPG6-09z&sig=xOIhhw8NOXo_V0qSM30kyMR1Eak&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=genocide%20residential%20schools&f=false], [https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/canadian-journal-of-law-and-society-la-revue-canadienne-droit-et-societe/article/abs/introduction-residential-schools-and-decolonization/9EA330CEFC33BF0B7C19ED8A05243B9E], [https://eric.ed.gov/?id=EJ1346297] {<nowiki/>{refn|[https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/18380743.2013.761936],[https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/canadian-journal-of-political-science-revue-canadienne-de-science-politique/article/abs/genocide-question-and-indian-residential-schools-in-canada/9E93D6867211E417D0293A613538B97A] (note date), [https://books.google.ca/books?hl=en&lr=&id=Iy6XDwAAQBAJ&oi=fnd&pg=PP1&dq=genocide+residential+schools&ots=d8-ItHPJdJ&sig=atOTBLEbsmTzxLK3IZ0tSWiOWMU&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=genocide%20residential%20schools&f=false], [https://caid.ca/GenIndResSch2002.pdf], [https://books.google.ca/books?hl=en&lr=&id=F-4lCgAAQBAJ&oi=fnd&pg=PP1&dq=genocide+residential+schools&ots=NICC-ZQhja&sig=e22JbmUU4uLuCHHcGgThckH6Su8&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=genocide%20residential%20schools&f=false], [https://books.google.ca/books?hl=en&lr=&id=ke2VXjKsFe0C&oi=fnd&pg=PP2&dq=related:ROqmsZbQljcJ:scholar.google.com/&ots=EYV6-d52zS&sig=ZAtJ53sJQDaXZbb5iK18kSqDPBs&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=genocide&f=false] (see p.39 for example), [https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/canadian-journal-of-law-and-society-la-revue-canadienne-droit-et-societe/article/abs/troubling-the-path-to-decolonization-indian-residential-school-case-law-genocide-and-settler-illegitimacy1/84EFC183098F872A469B9AAE104F9545], [https://www.utpjournals.press/doi/abs/10.3138/gsi.12.1.05], [https://www.taylorfrancis.com/chapters/edit/10.4324/9781315628318-9/kill-indian-child-genocide-international-law-tamara-starblanket], [https://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/obj/thesescanada/vol2/OSUL/TC-OSUL-380.PDF#page=41], [https://www.taylorfrancis.com/chapters/edit/10.4324/9781315401669-4/canada-colonial-genocide-andrew-woolford-jeff-benvenuto], [https://books.google.ca/books?hl=en&lr=&id=pULxSOj3kqQC&oi=fnd&pg=PP5&dq=genocide+residential+schools&ots=hiTyTw_rLO&sig=852kmLQ739a4Z79cg4qfTIrJLXE&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=genocide%20residential%20schools&f=false],[https://books.google.ca/books?hl=en&lr=&id=WUJ4DgAAQBAJ&oi=fnd&pg=PT7&dq=related:9Nn5zqueKioJ:scholar.google.com/&ots=WIhj9hvs0r&sig=ezuxvb_V5n05sGhcbXdnGOrdshw&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=genocide&f=false], [https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/14623528.2015.1096583], [https://heinonline.org/HOL/LandingPage?handle=hein.journals/unblj69&div=11&id=&page=], [https://indigenousfoundations.arts.ubc.ca/the_residential_https://www.taylorfrancis.com/chapters/edit/10.], [https://books.google.ca/books?hl=en&lr=&id=gtiMCwAAQBAJ&oi=fnd&pg=PP1&dq=genocide+residential+schools&ots=KwEPG6-09z&sig=xOIhhw8NOXo_V0qSM30kyMR1Eak&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=genocide%20residential%20schools&f=false], [https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/canadian-journal-of-law-and-society-la-revue-canadienne-droit-et-societe/article/abs/introduction-residential-schools-and-decolonization/9EA330CEFC33BF0B7C19ED8A05243B9E], [https://eric.ed.gov/?id=EJ1346297] {{refn|These were screened only for mentions of "genocide" in the text. Discredited author Ward Churchill was also omitted and I also skipped a publisher I did not recognize (SSRN?), a couple of links that didn't like my oddball browser, everything before 2000, and a couple of sources that seemed to solely discuss "cultural genocide" because they might not be on-topic.}} as the editor claimed to have policy and consensus on his side. If anyone is wondering, I posted them there in an effort to support a complaint by another editor about this editor's behaviour at [[Hunter Biden laptop controversy]], but apparently Things Do Not Work That Way. But since we are discussing that AE thread, it also documents Ivanvector giving this editor a warning,[after being reverted by Ivanvector {{refn|In the table of suspected graves it describes the finding of the partial remains of a child in a grave at the Qu'Appelle residential school, sourced to [12]. The Spiked source that you provided, which is the successor of a magazine that was run out of business for denying the Rwandan and Bosnian genocides, really shouldn't be used as a source for any information about anything described as a genocide. Ignoring that, it does not say that no bodies were found: it says that none were found in the five specific searches it names, which does not include Qu'Appelle. It also gives its unqualified opinion that "no evidence has been found to support the claims of a ‘genocide’", which is highly suspect given their known history of genocide denial. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 15:20, 18 May 2024 (UTC)}}{{refn|it has become quite clear that you are repeatedly trying to remove neutral information and add inappropriately sourced opinions downplaying the significance of these events, as evidenced quite clearly by your repeated attempts to force in an inappropriately-sourced and provably false narrative that there are no bodies (e.g. [13],[14], [15], [16]) and removing sources that don't conform with that false statement. If you do not stop this, I will seek to have you banned from the topic. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 14:49, 20 May 2024 (UTC)}} informal of course since Ivanvector had been editing the article and was therefore involved.
That is a roadmap, maybe? The three current RSN threads are each for a source used at the Kamloops article, which was recently edit-protected, so that may help. {{ping|Fluorescent Jellyfish}}, one of the recently-involved editors, says that they are a subject matter expert and and posted an explanation to the talk page of the Kamloops article why they think these sources are disinformation.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Kamloops_Indian_Residential_School&diff=next&oldid=1227501444][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Kamloops_Indian_Residential_School&diff=next&oldid=1227511467 and was argued with] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Kamloops_Indian_Residential_School&diff=next&oldid=1227511467 politely reminded] Riposte97 of WP:ONUS] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Kamloops_Indian_Residential_School&diff=next&oldid=1227530578 was argued with some more]. Having removed these sources from associated articles way too many times, I believe they are correct. And that is why I am trying to bring eyes to this even though, let's face it, this post is not recommended behaviour for an editor who was recently blocked for stating what is conventional wisdom in Canadian discourse and in the academic field, and warned not to do that again lest they be indeffed. But that there is not what this post is about.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Elinruby&diff=prev&oldid=1229731494]]
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