Template talk:AfC submission

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Template-protected edit request on 10 April 2020

I had to decline an AfC submission due to improper sourcing for a user who is experienced with creating articles. They have had many successful and unsuccessful submissions, and are definitely not a "beginner" editor. With that being said, I feel like saying "Please see 'referencing for beginners'" in the declination reasoning could be potentially condescending for users who do know what they are doing. For "ilc", I suppose that linking WP:REFB is understandable, and there isn't a better alternate, especially by saying "for instructions on how to". However for "source", "v", and "rs", I feel like WP:FOOTNOTES should be linked instead of WP:REFB, because the current wording could be condescending. Even if it says "If you need help", its safe to assume that people who have their submissions declined, regardless of their experience, are going to reach out for help to get their submission accepted. Being told that the first place to look is at a page for beginners may not be the best thing to do. As for exact wordings, I don't have any preference. I would just rather link WP:FOOTNOTES as an alternative to WP:REFB. WP:REFB is already a hatnote at the top of WP:REF, which is also linked. True beginners should be able to find this just fine. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 01:45, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

First thing, it would really help to draft out an idea of what should replace the text you're referring to. Second thing, while I do somewhat agree with you, I've occasionally found myself at "beginner" links like REFB simply because they're the easiest/simplest way to remind me of what I've apparently forgotten to do. Primefac (talk) 15:54, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: please make your requested changes to the template's sandbox first; see WP:TESTCASES. Alternatively, place the changes you want to make here with an indication of what is being changed from the original. Primefac (talk) 15:54, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Add a line, ask a reviewer for help

I would like to add a line to this template:

Ask a reviewer for help? For a list of reviewers, see Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/List of reviewers by subject

Don’t make it push-button or automated. Don’t template the request for them. Let the human be a human, choose a reviewer with expertise or interests matching the need, and let them ask in free text at the reviewers user talk page.

I for one would welcome questions related to my interests.

I believe this line would go well under Where to get help. I think it could replace entirely the text: “If you need feedback on your draft, or if the review is taking a lot of time, you can try asking for help on the talk page of a relevant WikiProject. Some WikiProjects are more active than others so a speedy reply is not guaranteed.” WikiProjects are mostly inactive.

—SmokeyJoe (talk) 08:22, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

SmokeyJoe, the correct template is Template:AFC submission/helptools. Eumat114 formerly TLOM (Message) 12:58, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Template talk:AFC submission/helptools redirects here. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 14:12, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

I think it can be added without removing the WikiProjects line. Something along the lines of a "if you need help, try..." with a bulleted list with the current options plus the list of reviewers by subject. Primefac (talk) 16:57, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Yes. Please add it, independently of removing the WikiProjects line. I’d like to see what happens if drafters start asking questions, and whether they choose subject-matching reviewers. If they do, this could be quite good. If they don’t, we can go back. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 22:52, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Good idea. Also see the ongoing discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation/List of reviewers by subject concerning potential (semi-)automation of searching for an appropriate reviewer. We may have to sort out the details soon. Eumat114 formerly TLOM (Message) 04:52, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Idea credit goes to Sulfurboy (talk · contribs). —SmokeyJoe (talk) 05:17, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

I'll wait for a few more opinions. Primefac (talk) 23:54, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

I would highly discourage this. My idea for implementing the page for searching for reviewers by subject was for other reviewers to seek out input or help. I worry that allowing drafters to easily see a list of reviewers by subject will lead to people's talk pages getting spammed and would create a chilling effect of people wanting to add themselves to the list. Sulfurboy (talk) 05:23, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Well, I disagree back. Very strongly. Newcomer drafters *should not* be corralled separate from the community. Discouraging drafters from asking for help from people here to help is absurd. AfC should not build further on the current hierarchical model. If your concern has merit, we can make separate lists. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 05:32, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

I concur with Sulfurboy here. The intention of that page was for other reviewers to ask for intra-AFC help. A sufficiently motivated newbie can look for the "reviewers by subject" and search for the right guy, so not leaving a link ensures that only users sufficiently worried about their drafts (in good faith, as bad-faith users won't go this far anyway) and reviewers will be able to use it, which would avoid spamming reviewers with corporate junk. Eumat114 formerly TLOM (Message) 03:06, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, that was the intention. You are right, a sufficiently motivated newbie can do many things, but I think that the AfC system tends to decrease newbie ingenuity, so many seem to confine themselves to the draft. I think pointing drafters to a list of reviewers by subject area could be a good idea.

As I posted at WT:WikiProject Articles for creation/List of reviewers by subject#Invite drafters to ask, presubmission, I am raising the idea of a separate list for those brave enough for a more drafter-visible list. I wouldn't want the utility of this list destroyed by making is a spam magnet. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 03:15, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 6 June 2020

At Template:AFC status/age, change {{#ifexpr:{{PAGESINCATEGORY:AfC pending submissions by age/Very old|PAGES}}>0|1}} to {{#ifexpr:{{PAGESINCATEGORY:AfC pending submissions by age/Very old|PAGES}}>1|1}} to better handle times (like right now) when there is a single very old article (for whatever reason) but all the rest are much newer; this would deal with spikes better and prevent possible confusion when review time suddenly spikes from four weeks to four months. Something similar could be done for more/all categories, but I'm not sure if that's as necessary. Pinging Primefac for previous involvement/expertise; something similar would have to be done at Template:AFC status/level as well (but I can do that if everyone is fine with this change, that's only autoconfirmed protected). LittlePuppers (talk) 17:03, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

Seems reasonable. I'll get to working on this. Primefac (talk) 17:27, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

Improving your odds of a speedy review

Can we get rid of (or at least heavily amend) this block of code that was added to Template:AFC submission/helptools in March by Headbomb (talk · contribs). Since that time, the number of problems reported at Wikipedia:Database reports/Broken WikiProject templates has gone up from 5-6 per week to several dozen - well over 100 on the last run of the report. See also Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 180#Broken WikiProject templates - looking for a guilty userscript.

It is clear that people are (i) guessing the names of the templates to use; (ii) taking the capitalisation of "TOPIC" literally; and (iii) failing to WP:PREVIEW their edits. They occasionally put them on the draft itself, not on the talk page. I'm getting fed up of clearing up all this mess. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 18:14, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

Amending would be better than removing. Newbies will always screw some things up though. That's to be expected. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 18:16, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

I have a funny feeling this will sound like I'm contradicting something I've said in the past (elsewhere), but I think telling people to post on the WikiProject's talk page will be more effective for garnering views. Are we telling people to put the templates on the draft talk so that the sortlist will work more efficiently? Primefac (talk) 18:49, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

That specific section is telling put the WikiProject banner on the talk page so things get picked up by the Wikiproject's Article Alerts so the WikiProject gets notified that a new draft has been submitted. There's also general advice to ask at a WikiProject talk page for feedback in general in the "Where to get help" section. Of course, it'd be pretty easy to add "You can also directly ask for a review if it's been a few days." or something too. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 20:11, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

Is this going to get fixed, or shall I remove it entirely? This is the kind of crap that was reported just yesterday. People are not following instructions, they are not previewing - indeed they are simply guessing which is always bad practice. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 12:02, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Go ahead and remove it for now. Clearly the existing advice isn't working as intended. Primefac (talk) 22:04, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

The advice is working, what's happening is a minority of people are screwing up when trying to follow it. If you have a way to refine the advice, refine it. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 22:28, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

I think Redrose's concern is that no one has put forth that refinement. My concern is thus that such a refinement may not exist, and I haven't really given it enough thought as to how that refinement would read. Primefac (talk) 22:53, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

This is ridiculous. Since nobody here is willing to fix that bad "advice", I'm taking it out right now. Please do not reinstate it unless a significantly less harmful format can be worked out. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 12:03, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

Tweak the wording (like this) if you want, but this is good advice that really does help in most situations. That 30 mistakes or so mistakes were made is inconsequential in the grand scheme of things. Compare that to the hundreds and thousands of correct tagging that were done. If you want to cut down on those, the easiest fix is creating the relevant redirects. Or, again, to improve the wording. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 16:43, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

BOTREQ made, too, btw. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 16:52, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

See also EF request Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 17:19, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

I've already asked you to improve the wording, but you have not done so. You left it alone, and it seems as if you are ignoring the problem entirely: hence my drastic action, for which I gave you fair warning. The present wording is yours, not mine: hence, you are responsible for all the crap that comes out of it. I have not seen any evidence of these "hundreds and thousands of correct tagging that were done" at all. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 18:11, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

And I already did, since you were apparently unwilling to do so after you were repeatedly being asked to improve it or make suggestions Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 18:14, 31 July 2020 (UTC).

You did that while I was typing my post; we'll see what effect that has. But again, if you write advice, you must be prepared to both clean up any undesirable effects, and also amend that advice in light of experience. Don't leave it for the rest of us to sort.

Earlier, you wrote the easiest fix is creating the relevant redirects - how would redirects have helped to fix cases where there is no direct match, e.g. this one? How would redirects have sorted the issue of WikiProject tags being placed in the draft itself, as here? --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 18:24, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

It's AFC, there's going to be newbie problems no matter what. The advice works. I'm giving you better, redirects will fix many problem cases. You want perfect, which doesn't exist. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 19:18, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

Are you prepared to patrol Wikipedia:Database reports/Broken WikiProject templates weekly and clear up the mess that your advice is causing? --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 20:06, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

Flipping this on you, are you prepared to patrol AfC daily to ensure that drafts have WikiProject banners and get reported in WP:AALERTS for each project? Preventing ~30ish broken banners a week (which takes at most 10-15 minutes to cleanup) do not outweight the benefits of hundreds drafts being correctly tagged and reported in Article Alerts so that WikiProjects are aware of new submissions, ensuring better and speedier reviews from the people that are the most familiar with those topics. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 20:47, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 25 June 2020

Template:AFC submission/comments has several piped links [[Help:Referencing for beginners#Inserting a reference|technical help]]. However "Inserting a reference" is no longer a section of Help:Referencing for beginners. Therefore, could someone please change the links to [[Help:Referencing for beginners|technical help]] ? Thanks!

(I'm not watching this page – please use {{ping|GoingBatty}} on reply) GoingBatty (talk) 02:53, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

 Done — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 07:42, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

nowikied categories

For some reason, the category [[Category:AfC submissions by date/01 July 2020|]] and similar is appearing on some drafts (eg Draft:$aintBandit (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)). I'm not sure what has happened.--Auric talk 20:11, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Looking into it. For what it's worth, none of the AFC templates have been edited recently (or at least, not in a manner that would cause this to happen). Also happening on Draft:Skoposology. Primefac (talk) 20:22, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

@Primefac: Looks like your edit done it :) - Rich^T|C|E-Mail 12:20, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 1 August 2020

Please replace the following line at Template:AFC submission/declined:

   |by {{Noping|{{{decliner}}}}} ([[User talk:{{{decliner}}}|talk]])

with this line:

   |by {{No ping|{{{decliner}}}}} ([[User talk:{{{decliner}}}|talk]])

Also, please replace the following line at Template:AFC submission/rejected:

   |by {{Noping|{{{decliner}}}}} ([[User talk:{{{decliner}}}|talk]])

with this line:

   |by {{No ping|{{{decliner}}}}} ([[User talk:{{{decliner}}}|talk]])

These changes are simply to avoid using redirects on this template and on the other pages transcluding it.

(See WP:NOTBROKEN, which includes the following: "In other namespaces, particularly the template and portal namespaces in which subpages are common, any link or transclusion to a former page title that has become a redirect following a page move should be updated to the new title for naming consistency.") Jdaloner (talk) 12:23, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: Perfectly valid to use as a template redirect; let's save some server kittens by not forcing this update on almost 25k pages. If another (substantial) edit comes along, then this can be lumped in with that. Primefac (talk) 01:41, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Sameer Yasin

Sameer Yasin (born 2005) is an Indian Environmentalist,Youth leader and climate Activist who campaigns for action on Climate change, Air pollution,Water pollution and has also called for a complete ban on Plastic.He recently joined Catarina lorenzo to start a environmental movement called "green kingdom" which later turned into an organisation where he is the current President. He has also founded many Club's such as Eco club, DMC and has also played a active role in Sanctuary Asia's program called kids for tiger's.

He is also also increasing his Activism for fridaysforfuture as a coordinater. And he has also been featured in International teen article wonkedition as a Changemaker and Young Founder.

"ClimateSign.org's Instagram post: "@__sameer__yasin__ is a Young Climate Activist from Kanpur along River Ganga in India, he started activism to save the environment as a…"". Instagram. Retrieved 2020-08-14.

"Change Makers: Sameer Yasin started Green Kingdom to help people hurt by climate change". wonkedition.se. Retrieved 2020-08-13. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Roshan parveen (talk • contribs) 06:46, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

Roshan parveen, you'll probably want to post this in the Draft space (not on the template talk), likely at Draft:Sameer Yasin. Primefac (talk) 13:50, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

Documentation

I disagree with this reversion. I was aware at the time I made my edit that it was also listed below, but the existing documentation was not sufficient for me (a sophisticated Wikipedia veteran) to find it before I knew it was there. I ended up going through the article wizard to figure out what it was because it was so non-obvious to me. I think there needs to be something in the usage section indicating how it is to be used as a banner pre-submission. Perhaps others can think of better ways to achieve that. Calliopejen1 (talk) 23:11, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

"code for new draft submissions" is pretty clear, no? Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 23:18, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

I would also mention that the only place where this is used is Template:Afc preload/draft, which is the pre-load given by the Article wizard when someone auto-generates a base page; {{AFC submission/draft}} works just as well for putting up the generic "draft" template (sans, of course, fancy date/timestamps, but those are irrelevant for the /draft template). It's basically one of those "should not be used directly" templates. Primefac (talk) 23:21, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Having thought about this more, I propose a different set of edits to make this clearer: [1]. Thoughts? Calliopejen1 (talk) 00:36, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

I don't mind the new order, but the instructions (now that I read them through the lens of an unsure individual) were terrible so I rewrote them. Also, {{AFC submission}} itself should never be subst (also clarified in the /doc). Primefac (talk) 00:50, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

revisions

I am trying to shorten the various portions of the template. My experience is that people only read the first sentence, and one short example is enough. Beginners are not usually stupid, but they are impatient. It is impossible to write instructions for all contingencies at WP; it's enough to give the most likely case. DGG ( talk ) 19:46, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

Improving the odds of a speedy review:

At the moment we have

"To improve your odds of a faster review, try searching for a relevant WikiProject. For instance, if you wrote about a Kenyan astronomer, you might want to search for "Biography", "Astronomy" or "Kenya" to find WikiProject Biography, WikiProject Astronomy, and WikiProject Kenya. You can then add {{WikiProject Topic}} at the top of the talk page of this draft, like this. This will normally* let the WikiProjects know a new draft has been submitted. Before saving, preview your edit; if you did it right, it will look like this. If you see a red Template:WikiProject Topic link like this, verify the spelling and casing. It is also possible the project does not have a banner, in which case omit it or ask for help. Adding the 2–3 most pertinent WikiProjects is plenty. For example, if you add {{WikiProject Physics}}, you do not need to also add {{WikiProject Science}}. If you need help with this, see Where to get help above."

all that is really needed is

""To improve your odds of a faster review, search for a relevant WikiProject. For instance, if you wrote about a Kenyan astronomer, you might want to search for "Biography", "Astronomy" or "Kenya" to find WikiProject Biography, WikiProject Astronomy, and WikiProject Kenya.( Adding the 2–3 most pertinent WikiProjects is plenty.) You can then add {{WikiProject Topic}} at the top of the talk page of this draft, like this. This normally lets the WikiProjects know a new draft has been submitted, though not all projects have banners. Before saving, preview your edit; if you did it right, it will look like this. "

If anyone thinks more is needed, I'd like to know why. DGG ( talk ) 20:03, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

I believe the reason why the "red template" bit got added was because of the #Improving your odds of a speedy review discussion above, in which users weren't checking to see if the template was valid, leading to a large number of redlinked transclusions. Primefac (talk) 20:30, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

The mere existence of the section is what has caused the large number of entries in this report. DGG, do you want to help clean that lot up every week? --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 11:07, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

To improve your odds of a faster review, find and ask a Wikipedia editor who is active in the subject area. One good place to look is the WP:WikiProjects.

--SmokeyJoe (talk) 05:26, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

I dont think this approach is likely to work. Picking a random person from a wikiproject list is likely to turn up someone long-retired.... and explaining how to find a recently active user is not short. Calliopejen1 (talk) 06:33, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

I think I know something about education. One thing is that too much information, overexplaining things, it causes people to act stupid. Tell them how to suck eggs, and they'll wait for an instruction before doing anything. Intelligent beginners who have not been trained to be stupid, they will work out how to determine whether the Wikipedian is active. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 07:03, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

To improve your odds of a faster review, tag your draft's talk page with the relevant WikiProject tags. For instance, if you wrote about a Kenyan astronomer, add the tags "Biography", "Astronomy" and "Kenya". Click here to add tags to your draft.

A day back I wrote User:SD0001/AFC-add-project-tags.js which if moved to MediaWiki:AFC-add-project-tags.js can be used by a new editor without installing anything on their end. It adds the project templates to the draft talk page *without possibility of errors*, and also without them having to figure how to do it using wikicode. (also pinging Headbomb as the initial author of this part of the template). SD0001 (talk) 12:52, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Currently, that requires having a custom JavaScript installed, and we cannot require that of newbies. If the page is moved, we can update the guidance accordingly. The list User:SD0001/wikiproject-list.js should also be externalized, because we want others to be able to do maintenance on the list, because there is a lot of maintenance that would be needed for it after page moves, project closures, project mergers, etc... Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 17:50, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

We can use User:Theo's Little Bot/afchwikiproject.js, which is used by other scripts as well. But I would first like to have my improvements in the list ported over there, see editreq. SD0001 (talk) 18:09, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Hence the need to externalize the list to somewhere that's not a userpage. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 18:12, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Redrose64, I saw your earlier objections, and I agree with them. I would much rather have the section out entirely. I have almost never given such advice; it looks too much like an attempt for special treatment. We do need subject people to review subject drafts, but this should be handled with a program of our own, not left to the submitters initiative. (not that I like the ORES list particularly helpful or accurate). I have been going systematically through all the G13 -soon deletion for several months, (except popular music/arts, and sports) and I am finding a number that were reasonably OK, but were simply never reviewed.

tag your draft's talk page with the relevant WikiProject tags
I think random editors, AfC reviewers, new pages reviewers, if they are not members of the said WikiProject, tagging pages with WikiProject banners are contributing to the death of the WikiProjects. The tagging itself decreases the likelihood of an active WikiProject member engaging with the new article. I think WikiProject tagging efforts are misdirected, and should be retasked as categorizations. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 23:40, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

SmokeyJoe, I'm pretty sure that's a minority viewpoint... I have no idea how you can blame "the death of WikiProjects" on editors placing WikiProject tags on articles that seem to fit within the WikiProject's ambit... Calliopejen1 (talk) 23:46, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) The tagging itself decreases the likelihood of an active WikiProject member engaging with the new article. That is utter nonsense. If a draft pops in Wikipedia:WikiProject Academic Journals/Article alerts, then editors from WP:JOURNALS are immensely more likely to engage with the draft. Being notified of new articles entering various workflows (PROD, AFD, AFC...) is the very reason for the existence of Article Alerts and why the system is so widely used. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 23:47, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

That would be the exception, the relatively few active WikiProjects will be an exception. Consider instead a semi-active WikiProject. After you tag the new page talk page, what happens next from the WikiProject perspective? I suggesting posting the question on WikiProject talk pages, "do you want me to continue tag these pages". If no answer, I think you should stop.

Calliopejen1, it is not the primary blame, but it contributes. It contributes by removing the easy but important job from the few WikiProject members, and it creates a misaligned illusion of WikiProject activity. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 00:02, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

Active WikiProjects are a dime a dozen, and are far from the exception. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 00:17, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

Let's continue at WT:WikiProject Council#Most WikiProjects seem inactive. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 01:04, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

Summary (advice for speedier review)

It looks like we have a rough consensus to remove the section, and a probable consensus not to replace it by anything automatic. Only a very few projects are effective enough for this to work. It will then require no maintenance or javascript. DGG ( talk ) 18:15, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Headbomb, it looks like you may be in a minority. DGG ( talk ) 18:15, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

I don't see that at all. The advice works, and should be there. We want WP:AALERTS to pick up new drafts. If and when a better method is implemented (e.g. SD0001's script thing), we can go with that and update the guidance to something accordingly simpler. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 18:20, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Well I am with Headbomb on this. We may not be entirely honest when we say it "improves the odds of a speedy review". But anyhow we want the drafts to be tagged with project tags (for the sake of Article Alerts etc). If we can get the newbies to do it for us, then that's less work for us. I don't see what other objection Redrose64 had other than the red-linked templates being left behind, which will be eliminated using the javascript solution. SD0001 (talk) 18:32, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Well it does improves the odds. Having better odds doesn't mean you are guaranteed speedier review. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 18:37, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

To the extent it will atrract the newbies, it would possibly increase the odds of a speedier but lower quality review. DGG ( talk ) 22:24, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

Really doubt that notifying WP:VG of a new submission for a video game related draft, or WP:CHEMISTRY of a new chemistry-related draft, would somehow lead to a lower quality review. In my experiences, many drafts are wrongly declined by AFC regulars that are simply unfamiliar with the subject matter. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 18:46, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

It's also a good way to just get more people interested in AFC and AFC reviews in general. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 22:08, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

I have just noticed what I should have seen earlier, that the essential contents of this section is also present in an earlier section of the template: Where to get help . It says it better and briefer there:

If you need feedback on your draft, or if the review is taking a lot of time, you can try asking for help on the talk page of a relevant WikiProject. Some WikiProjects are more active than others so a speedy reply is not guaranteed. DGG ( talk ) 05:54, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

JS-based tags

Thanks to User:SD0001 for their new JS-based solution that works for everyone! Hopefully @Enterprisey: can update the reviewing script to handle better handle of banners that are already present on talk pages. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 15:31, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

@SD0001 and Enterprisey: I wonder if this could be integrated into the 'Submit your draft' button to have it part of the submission process. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 15:41, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

@Headbomb: Yes! You just gave me the idea to revolutionise the draft submission process using javascript. What we have now is a crude and unsophisticated process involving a preload form that asks the user to scroll past the editbox without changing anything and hit the publish button. Instead, we could have a JS-powered form with a simple submit button that will directly make the edit, before which using the form we can get them to tell what project tags to add, and also if the page is about a BLP or company (few ppl want to review these - so that we can discreetly classify the draft as such). Also the JS can check if the draft has references: if not found, it could display some warning urging the user to add them before submitting. All in all, it opens up a ton of possibilities. – SD0001 (talk) 16:29, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

That would be a dream come true if you can achieve it! Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 16:34, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

I am excited about this! Can't wait to code this up. – SD0001 (talk) 12:12, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

@Headbomb: See Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation#Overhauling_draft_submission_process_using_javascript – SD0001 (talk) 07:34, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

reject reasons: WP:PROF

This one is my specialty, and..... in progress DGG ( talk ) 20:03, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

@DGG: I hate looking at professor articles and skip them as I encounter them. Is there something I should do to make sure they end up in your queue? Calliopejen1 (talk) 23:06, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

just leave them, I will look at them all unless someone gets there first. I am currently primarily making sure none fall of the 6 moth time limit, and after that I divide my work between the 0 and 1 day group, and the oldest. If there's anything in the middle I should look at, for example where the author is bothering us for a decision, just tell me on my talk page. As limitations: The ones I find hardest to judge are those where the people are not in the Western academic system, but in other traditions; I try to guess, but I simply do not know what counts for notability in some geographic areas or in some religious fields. I also have difficult with some of the Russian-related ones: I know which are the important universities and research centers, but I'm less confident about the actual significance of their plethora of impressive titles. And when a public servant or businessperson bio mentions they're an adjunct instructor somewhere, it's usually safe to ignore the academic aspect. And in the performing or fine arts, ( & as WP:PROF specifies), it's usually better to judge those who also hold academic titles as a performer or artist using the. criteria in those fields. DGG ( talk ) 03:29, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

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Early life and education

Joshi hail from Nainital Uttarakhand, her mother is a retired teacher, her father passaway in childhood, she got her initial education from Sanatan Dharma Girls Inter College and did M.Com (Master of Commerce) from SBS Rudrapur Kumaon University Nainital.

Career

During the shoot in Nainital, she met North Indian actor Uttar Kumar and was offered the lead character in the film Mannu Dhakad Man which earned her recognition in the rustic film industry.

Filmography

Films

Key

†	Denotes films that have not yet been released

Year	Title	Role	Language	Channel	Notes
2007	Mannu Dhakad Man		Haryanvi	Sonotek Cassettes	Debut Haryanvi film
2007	Sonotek	Nandini	Haryanvi	Sonotek Cassettes
2008	Jhalak		Haryanvi	Sanjivani Music - Haryanvi
2009	Natkhat	Kusum / School Teacher	Haryanvi	Local Cinema Delhi NCR / Meerut
2010	Laat Sahab	Lakshmi	Haryanvi	Local Cinema Delhi NCR / Meerut
2011	Hum do Bhagode		Haryanvi	Local Cinema Delhi NCR / Meerut
2012	Had Ho Gayi	Sanjna Sister's	Haryanvi	Sonotek Film ( Sonotek )
2012	Katoo	Katoo	Haryanvi	Kala Niketan
2013	Fakkad	Gori	Haryanvi	Sonotek Film ( Sonotek )
2014	Kunba	Devika	Haryanvi	Sonotek Film ( Sonotek )	Bollywood actor Kadar Khan special appearance

Television

Year	Show	Role	Channel
2018 - 2019	Crime Patrol	House wife	Sony Entertainment Television

Music videos

Year	Title	Co-actor	Singer	Composer	Views	Channel	Ref.
2016	Tera Figure	Uttar Kumar	TR & Ruchika Jangid	TR Music	30M+	Sonotek
2017	Crazy Chori	Uttar Kumar	TR & Ruchika Jangid	TR Music	30M+	Sonotek
2018	Mera Chhail Dasvi Fail	Uttar Kumar	Sandeep Chandal & Vandna Jangid	SBM Studio	20M+	md music
2020	Aankhe Teri Sharabi	Uttar Kumar	Anil Jajanpur	Sudhir Sharma		Nupur Haryanvi
	Forviller	Kuldeep Rathee	Parveen Tosham	Arvind Jangid Brown Boys	474K	Nupur Haryanvi
	Bell Bottom	Uttar Kumar	Subhash Foji & Kavita Sobhu	RK Crew	1.4M+	Kala Niketan

External links

• Kavita Joshi at IMDb