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Arian?

Latest comment: 15 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

It reads:

While initially Arian Christians like other Gothic peoples...

which seems unlikely for two reasons: if they were, they would have had access to the Gothic alphabet, and have been literate, not illiterate as they were (?), the distance from Moesia (Ulfilas' place) to Crimea is somewhat considerable, considering that Scythia was Hunnic territory and enemy land. The historical sources telling us about Goths seems to be Byzantine, I think "tetraxites" or something, up until the Genoese and Busbecq accounts. ... said: Rursus (^mbork³) 06:45, 26 August 2009 (UTC)Reply

Incomplete citations

Latest comment: 7 years ago2 comments1 person in discussion

A number of short footnotes were added a while ago without the accompanying full citations. I've fixed a few, but there are more that need looking into. Namely: Stearns 1971/1979, Loewe 1869/1896, Kempfer/Kaempfer 1631, Schwarz 1953, and Pallas 1801. Some of the dates are probably typos, which makes it harder to find the right work.

I think Stearns may be MacDonald Stearns, author of Crimean Gothic. Analysis and Etymology of the Corpus, published 1978 (see citations at Crimean Gothic). Kaempfer is likely Engelbert Kaempfer, though he wasn't even alive in 1631. I have a 1951 work by Ernst Schwarz already in the article, but I don't know if the 1953 citation is another work entirely or a typo. Searching Pallas 1801 mostly brings up Peter Simon Pallas, but the most likely work was published 1802/1803; another typo? No idea who Loewe is, but a relevant citation shows up here. clpo13_(talk) 18:49, 3 February 2017 (UTC)Reply

Note: incomplete footnotes for Loewe 1896 and Stearns 1971 also appear at Metropolitanate of Gothia. clpo13_(talk) 18:51, 3 February 2017 (UTC)Reply

Crimean Greek ?

Latest comment: 7 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Hello!Just wanting to say that "Crimean Greek" was Pontic Greek that are spoken today in Mariupol anf other villages of Ukraine.Can you correct it or just redirect it to Pontic Greek page ? Kp4816 (talk) 13:02, 26 April 2017 (UTC)Reply

"Yantra?"

The sources cited for the 'yantra' mural in Mangup Kale don't actually refer to the mural itself. While interesting, the veracity of the claim that the yantra should be attested to Scythians from antiquity is questionable. From the research I've done for both English and Russian/Ukrainian sources, I can't find anything to corroborate the Scythian origin of the mural.

Also, to clarify, I'm not disputing the presence of Indo-Iranian scytho-sarmatians on the crimean peninsula in antiquity, (I think there are contemporary sources on that, maybe Herodotus), but I think Mangup Kale, which I think was in later times a Crimean Tatar fortress, may have been built by Goths, who came after the scythians, so the question remains, is the Mangup Yantra done by scythians?