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:::::::Dealing with allegations of sexual misconduct. At that moment in time, the [[Roy Moore]] BLP was taking a much harder line against the subject of the biography than the [[Al Franken]] BLP, even though allegations against both had been unproven and neither man had admitted wrongdoing. So I felt that both articles should be treating the allegations as roughly the same. Fortunately, the real world did what some Wikipedia editors refused to do: treat them exactly the same. [[User:Byteflush|Byteflush]] illustrates what would happen if an indefinite topic ban is applied. It would just become another point of contention when I try to get the topic ban removed. Certain editors would try to weaponize the process. We need fewer points of contention here at Wikipedia, not more. If returning I would probably go back to military history. Far fewer disputes about policy application, and far fewer editors on a political crusade that puts Wikipedia at risk for litigation. [[User:Phoenix and Winslow|Phoenix and Winslow]] ([[User talk:Phoenix and Winslow#top|talk]]) 07:11, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
::::::::Were Moore's alleged victims also entitled to the protections of our BLP policy? Byteflush makes a valid point. You have routinely trashed the BLP policy in pursuit of some crusade against "left-wing bias". Maybe military history would be ok but I worry that in some cases that intersects with BLP and politics. I think as a minimum you have to undertake not to try to protect us against our "risk for litigation" any longer as it seems you have repeatedly exercised poor judgement in this area. BLP is actually a key area for me and the real risk would be allowing you to continue to try to use it as a weapon. It is what you were blocked for and as of your 07:11 post you are still not getting it. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John|talk]]) 12:31, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
:::::::::<i>Were Moore's alleged victims also entitled to the protections of our BLP policy?</i> Yes, of course they were and are. However, no one was accusing them of committing sex crimes against minors. I wasn't suggesting that Roy Moore's accusers should be treated more harshly by Wikipedia. You've turned that situation on its head. What I was suggesting was that Wikipedia should improve its treatment of [[Leeann Tweeden]], who was (at the time) Franken's sole accuser, so that Tweeden would be treated <b><FONT COLOR=RED>just as well</b></FONT> as Moore's accusers. Isn't Leeann Tweeden also entitled to the protections of our BLP policy, John? BLP policy wasn't being "trashed." I have repeatedly admitted that what I did was wrong, [[User:John|John]]. It was wrong because it wasn't supported by consensus. When you have consensus, you can do anything. But when you're a minority of one, you'd better sit down and shut up, or you'll be blocked indefinitely.
:::::::::Policy is really a guideline, except for [[WP:CON]] which trumps everything. I fully understand, John. If the mob says that [[WP:BLP]] doesn't apply to [{Waterboarding]], then it doesn't apply. If my understanding of [[WP:BLP]] differs from yours, and from the mob's, then I am the one who's wrong. Even though my track record at [[Al Franken]] and [[Franklin child prostitution ring allegations]] suggests that I may be right. I'm definitely wrong and must accept a permanent topic ban from both US politics and BLPs. (Let's not pretend it will ever be lifted, because that wil be governed by consensus as well. And consensus will consist of drive-by editors like [[User:Byteflush|Byteflush]].) [[User:Phoenix and Winslow|Phoenix and Winslow]] ([[User talk:Phoenix and Winslow#top|talk]]) 12:10, 1 August 2018 (UTC) :::::::::If unblocked, I'll start by going back to the [[T-34]] article. I've seen your name in its edit history, so you're already aware that I've done extensive work to it over the course of several years. I'll start by breaking off several sections into independent articles because it's too long. The original sections in the T-34 article will remain in substantially shortened form. [[User:Phoenix and Winslow|Phoenix and Winslow]] ([[User talk:Phoenix and Winslow#top|talk]]) 12:28, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
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