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===[[61 Cygni]]===
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'''Review''' – The article is in decent shape, although perhaps a little short. Here are a few observations:
* <s>The 'absolute magnitude' values in the infobox need a proper citation; just computing them isn't enough. (Kervella et al. (2008) give the absolute bolometric magnitudes for the two stars; it might be better to use that field instead.)</s>
:*Done. A better cite of stellar-database is now used. -[[User:The Herald|The Herald]] [[User talk:The Herald|<sup style="margin-left:0.5px">''the joy of the LORD''</sup>]][[Special:Contributions/The Herald|<sub style="margin-left:-47.5px">''my strength''</sub>]] 04:34, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
:** Ah, well you've replaced what was a perfectly suitable citation for the ''apparent'' magnitude with a different citation. The ''absolute'' magnitude values are not cited. :-) I would again suggest just using the Kervalla et al. (2008) citation and the absolute bolometric magnitude field of the template. [[User:Praemonitus|Praemonitus]] ([[User talk:Praemonitus|talk]]) 16:33, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
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:::** No, that reference does not supply an absolute magnitude. [[User:Praemonitus|Praemonitus]] ([[User talk:Praemonitus|talk]]) 21:18, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
:::::*stellardatabase did..:-) -[[User:The Herald|The Herald]] [[User talk:The Herald|<sup style="margin-left:0.5px">''the joy of the LORD''</sup>]][[Special:Contributions/The Herald|<sub style="margin-left:-47.5px">''my strength''</sub>]] 04:27, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
::::::* <s>stellardatabase doesn't appear to be a reliable source.</s> Fixed it for you. [[User:Praemonitus|Praemonitus]] ([[User talk:Praemonitus|talk]]) 15:51, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
* <s>The article needs to explain the meaning of the name '61 Cygni'. For example, where did it originate?</s>
:*Done. -[[User:The Herald|The Herald]] [[User talk:The Herald|<sup style="margin-left:0.5px">''the joy of the LORD''</sup>]][[Special:Contributions/The Herald|<sub style="margin-left:-47.5px">''my strength''</sub>]] 04:34, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
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:** References need to be properly formatted in a manner consistent with the other citations. [[User:Praemonitus|Praemonitus]] ([[User talk:Praemonitus|talk]]) 16:44, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
:::*Fixed..-[[User:The Herald|The Herald]] [[User talk:The Herald|<sup style="margin-left:0.5px">''the joy of the LORD''</sup>]][[Special:Contributions/The Herald|<sub style="margin-left:-47.5px">''my strength''</sub>]] 13:17, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
* <s>The term 'old-disk stars' needs to be explained.</s>
:*Done. Piped to [[Circumstellar disk]] -[[User:The Herald|The Herald]] [[User talk:The Herald|<sup style="margin-left:0.5px">''the joy of the LORD''</sup>]][[Special:Contributions/The Herald|<sub style="margin-left:-47.5px">''my strength''</sub>]] 04:34, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
:** Well no, that's not what 'old-disk star' means. It's a type of galactic component. [[User:Praemonitus|Praemonitus]] ([[User talk:Praemonitus|talk]]) 16:27, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
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:::** It means it is a star belonging to the old disk population; not an old star belonging to the galactic disk.[http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1969PASP...81..553E] This should probably be covered on the Milky Way article. [[User:Praemonitus|Praemonitus]] ([[User talk:Praemonitus|talk]]) 21:18, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
::::::Done now..-[[User:The Herald|The Herald]] [[User talk:The Herald|<sup style="margin-left:0.5px">''the joy of the LORD''</sup>]][[Special:Contributions/The Herald|<sub style="margin-left:-47.5px">''my strength''</sub>]] 04:27, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
* <s>Perhaps you could use [http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2008A%26A...487.1041A this reference] to note whether an infrared excess has (or has not) been found.</s>
:*Couldn't find the related star. Is it necessary to include that too? <small>Since you said 'perhaps'....</small> -[[User:The Herald|The Herald]] [[User talk:The Herald|<sup style="margin-left:0.5px">''the joy of the LORD''</sup>]][[Special:Contributions/The Herald|<sub style="margin-left:-47.5px">''my strength''</sub>]] 04:34, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
:** Apologies, I listed the wrong volume: [http://cdsads.u-strasbg.fr/cgi-bin/nph-bib_query?2013A%26A...555A.104A&db_key=AST&nosetcookie=1 ''A near-infrared interferometric survey of debris-disc stars. III. First statistics based on 42 stars observed with CHARA/FLUOR'']. The results are summarized on p. 15. [[User:Praemonitus|Praemonitus]] ([[User talk:Praemonitus|talk]]) 16:22, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
:::::(''Move the comments to the correct bullet.'' [[User:Praemonitus|Praemonitus]] ([[User talk:Praemonitus|talk]]))
* You could also use Table 7 in [http://cdsads.u-strasbg.fr/cgi-bin/nph-bib_query?2013AJ....146...99C this reference] to speak to the stellar habitable zones around the two stars.▼
:::::I read [http://
:::::: Yes, the absence of a detectable IR excess is still of interest because it tells the reader something about the state of the system. The reference for the habitability radii is in a separate bullet above. [[User:Praemonitus|Praemonitus]] ([[User talk:Praemonitus|talk]])▼
:::::::I think the same is explained in ''Refining planetary boundaries'' section. Right? -[[User:The Herald|The Herald]] [[User talk:The Herald|<sup style="margin-left:0.5px">''the joy of the LORD''</sup>]][[Special:Contributions/The Herald|<sub style="margin-left:-47.5px">''my strength''</sub>]] 07:51, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
:::::::: It appears to me as that 1998 result is contradicted by the more recent data. Perhaps there's another source that will discuss it? [[User:Praemonitus|Praemonitus]] ([[User talk:Praemonitus|talk]]) 10:48, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
::::::::: I've addressed this point. [[User:Praemonitus|Praemonitus]] ([[User talk:Praemonitus|talk]]) 15:46, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
▲* <s>You could also use Table 7 in [http://cdsads.u-strasbg.fr/cgi-bin/nph-bib_query?2013AJ....146...99C this reference] to speak to the stellar habitable zones around the two stars.</s>
:*Similarly, here too, couldn't find the star. -[[User:The Herald|The Herald]] [[User talk:The Herald|<sup style="margin-left:0.5px">''the joy of the LORD''</sup>]][[Special:Contributions/The Herald|<sub style="margin-left:-47.5px">''my strength''</sub>]] 04:34, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
:** It is listed with the designation "GJ 820". [[User:Praemonitus|Praemonitus]] ([[User talk:Praemonitus|talk]]) 16:23, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
:::Still couldn't get it. Please link it to the page itself...-[[User:The Herald|The Herald]] [[User talk:The Herald|<sup style="margin-left:0.5px">''the joy of the LORD''</sup>]][[Special:Contributions/The Herald|<sub style="margin-left:-47.5px">''my strength''</sub>]] 15:03, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
:::: It is part of a PDF document. Have you tried reading the [http://
▲:::::I read [http://fr.arxiv.org/pdf/1307.7038v1 it] but it seems to me like there aren't any IR excess as they say much about GJ 581, GJ 667C, and GJ 876 M-dwarfs. GJ 820 has its name only in the table. So should I include in the article that there aren't any IR excess? Plus, I couldn't deduce from them that there are any habitable zones either. -[[User:The Herald|The Herald]] [[User talk:The Herald|<sup style="margin-left:0.5px">''the joy of the LORD''</sup>]][[Special:Contributions/The Herald|<sub style="margin-left:-47.5px">''my strength''</sub>]] 04:27, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
▲:::::: Yes, the absence of a detectable IR excess is still of interest because it tells the reader something about the state of the system. The reference for the habitability radii is in a separate bullet above. [[User:Praemonitus|Praemonitus]] ([[User talk:Praemonitus|talk]])
Thanks. [[User:Praemonitus|Praemonitus]] ([[User talk:Praemonitus|talk]]) 16:20, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
* Checking through the references, I found "stellar-database.com" is being used in several cases. It is not clear that this a reliable source—the site is maintained by a Science Fiction writer—and so I think it should be replaced. [[User:Praemonitus|Praemonitus]] ([[User talk:Praemonitus|talk]]) 16:19, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
::@[[User:Praemonitus|Praemonitus]], Replace all? I have replaced two of them with simbad, which is already used many-a-times. Two to go..-[[User:The Herald|The Herald]] [[User talk:The Herald|<sup style="margin-left:0.5px">''the joy of the LORD''</sup>]][[Special:Contributions/The Herald|<sub style="margin-left:-47.5px">''my strength''</sub>]] 12:53, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
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::*If I'm understanding you correctly, you're saying that the table helps show how the parallax method works. There's two things wrong with that: I don't see how the table conveys that at all, and such info would not be appropriate for this article but rather for the [[parallax]] article. The [[approximations of pi]] is different, since the increasing approximations of pi has been a subject of intense study itself, and well, pi is much more important to everyday life than this single star. [[User:StringTheory11|StringTheory11]] ([[User talk:StringTheory11|t]] • [[Special:Contributions/StringTheory11|c]]) 15:21, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
:::But is the removal of the section necessary to result in further shortening of the article? -[[User:The Herald|The Herald]] [[User talk:The Herald|<sup style="margin-left:0.5px">''the joy of the LORD''</sup>]][[Special:Contributions/The Herald|<sub style="margin-left:-47.5px">''my strength''</sub>]] 04:27, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
:::: I agree that the section isn't needed because all it conveys is the fact that the instrumentation is growing more accurate as time passes. It doesn't tell the reader anything new about the stars. If you absolutely have to retain it, I'd suggest moving it to the end of the article (as an appendix) so that it doesn't disrupt the flow. [[User:Praemonitus|Praemonitus]] ([[User talk:Praemonitus|talk]]) 16:40, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
:::::Done..-[[User:The Herald|The Herald]] [[User talk:The Herald|<sup style="margin-left:0.5px">''the joy of the LORD''</sup>]][[Special:Contributions/The Herald|<sub style="margin-left:-47.5px">''my strength''</sub>]] 07:47, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
*Both stars in the system are rather typical variable stars (BY Dra and flare). However, I'm not seeing magnitude ranges anywhere in this article for either star, which are absolutely necessary.
::Now included..-[[User:The Herald|The Herald]] [[User talk:The Herald|<sup style="margin-left:0.5px">''the joy of the LORD''</sup>]][[Special:Contributions/The Herald|<sub style="margin-left:-47.5px">''my strength''</sub>]] 04:27, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
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:::[https://books.google.co.in/books?id=66lFAAAAcAAJ&dq=inauthor:%22Giuseppe+Piazzi%22+cygni&source=gbs_navlinks_s Done]..-[[User:The Herald|The Herald]] [[User talk:The Herald|<sup style="margin-left:0.5px">''the joy of the LORD''</sup>]][[Special:Contributions/The Herald|<sub style="margin-left:-47.5px">''my strength''</sub>]] 04:42, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
::::Great! Since a complete scan of the book is available on Google Books, shouldn't that be linked to (while of course mentioning that the text is in Italian)? {{strikethrough | Do we know the page number on which 61 Cygni is mentioned (though I agree, that it might be too much to ask for)?}} --[[User:Siddhant|Siddhant]] ([[User talk:Siddhant|talk]]) 09:13, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
*What is exozodiacal? [[User:Nergaal|Nergaal]] ([[User talk:Nergaal|talk]]) 18:18, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
** That was my fault, so I fixed it. [[User:Praemonitus|Praemonitus]] ([[User talk:Praemonitus|talk]]) 19:19, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
'''Closing comment''' -- Sorry but with no comments for over two weeks this review seems to have stalled so I'll be archiving it shortly. Cheers, [[User:Ian Rose|Ian Rose]] ([[User talk:Ian Rose|talk]]) 06:27, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
{{FACClosed|archived}} [[User:Ian Rose|Ian Rose]] ([[User talk:Ian Rose|talk]]) 06:27, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
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